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Credlin | 11 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Hido Krandland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Keep you get real, Bunaby Joyce, Good evening, Welcome to
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Speaker 2: the program.
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Speaker 3: Here's what's coming up to night on Kredline.
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Speaker 2: A big weekend for the people of Farah who not
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Speaker 2: only sent a message to the Coalition but also Labor
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Speaker 2: too with that emphatic win for one nation. And don't
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Speaker 2: believe anyone who says this is just linked to immigration anger.
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Speaker 2: This demoralizing liberal loss has been ten years in the making.
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Speaker 3: More on that.
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Speaker 2: Shortly, those isis linked women arrested behind closed doors and
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Speaker 2: away from the media, unlike war hero Ben Roberts Smith.
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Speaker 2: So why the double standard from the AFP and if
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Speaker 2: there are enough grounds to charge them, surely they had
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Speaker 2: enough grounds the government to keep them out of Australia.
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Speaker 2: So why didn't Labor act another court appearance today or
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Speaker 2: get to the latest? Shadow Attorney General Macadia Cash joins
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Speaker 2: me and on Mother's Day, if you can believe it,
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Speaker 2: Labor declaring that the sooner chi are packed off to childcare,
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Speaker 2: the better and by that they mean big unionized childcare
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Speaker 2: rather than helping to give.
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Speaker 3: Parents a real choice.
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Speaker 2: Plus the big tax tests tomorrow night, the budget bad
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Speaker 2: us for property investors. So will this be the lie
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Speaker 2: at sinks labor as Julia Gillard's carbon tax lie sunk her?
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Speaker 4: There will be no carbon tax under the government.
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Speaker 5: Highly can you rule out any changes to negative gearing
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Speaker 5: and capital gains? Taests?
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Speaker 6: How hard is it for the fiftieth time?
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Speaker 2: We will come back to that to first know and
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Speaker 2: should be surprised by one nation's landslide win on Saturday night.
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Speaker 2: If you were surprised, then you live in a bubble.
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Speaker 7: Here.
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Speaker 8: We've had Angus Taylor make a deliberate decision to preference
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Speaker 8: one nation above the Independent, which tonight could really be
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Speaker 8: one of the reasons they get across the line. We'll
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Speaker 8: see how's the votes come through, but that will be
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Speaker 8: key and that.
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Speaker 4: Will legitimize them.
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Speaker 8: And I used the term earlier on in the broadcast,
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Speaker 8: the permission structure. If they are able to win their
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Speaker 8: first lower House seat, that begins the process of legitimizing.
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Speaker 2: Them not only inside the bubble, but do they hear themselves?
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Speaker 2: I mean that is patronizing beyond belief, as if one
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Speaker 2: nation voters need anyone's permission to voters they did. It's
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Speaker 2: called democracy and It's got the left inner panic as
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Speaker 2: much as the right. No overnight success. This historic first
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Speaker 2: lower House seat has been a long time coming for
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Speaker 2: One Nation, and Saturday night's big win in Farah started here.
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Speaker 9: I would just say to people, do you want to
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Speaker 9: take our country forward or do you want to leave
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Speaker 9: it in?
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Speaker 3: The message in.
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Speaker 2: It started back when the Liberal Party moderates rolled to
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbott in favor of Malcolm Turbul, and it sent
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Speaker 2: a message to the electorate that just like Labor and
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Speaker 2: the whole rud Gillard circus, that they just rejected, it
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Speaker 2: didn't matter who they might choose. And while you might
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Speaker 2: have voted to end a carbon tax and stop the boat's,
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Speaker 2: two things Abbott delivered on in record time, without a
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Speaker 2: strong conservative spine, the Liberals are little more than a
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Speaker 2: weak echo of Labor. So when they got their chance
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Speaker 2: a year later to send Turmble a message, well boy,
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Speaker 2: they did not miss.
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Speaker 10: I can report that based on the advice I have
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Speaker 10: from the party officials, we can have every confidence that
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Speaker 10: we will form a coalition majority government in the next time.
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Speaker 10: We've seen this before in ninety ninety eight, and this
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Speaker 10: is a this is an experience not unknown in the
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Speaker 10: parliamentary history of the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 2: A Nett wipeout that night of fourteen seats for the
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party after just one term back in government. Term
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Speaker 2: all but threw it away when he pushed hard on
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Speaker 2: towards the left with his energy and climate policies. Well
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Speaker 2: the colleagues then decided that his time was up, fearing
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Speaker 2: there would be nothing left of the Liberal base if
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Speaker 2: he continued.
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Speaker 11: There was a determined insurgency from a number of people,
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Speaker 11: both in the party room and backed by voices powerful
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Speaker 11: voices in the media. It was it was extraordinary. It
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Speaker 11: was described as madness by many, and I think it's
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Speaker 11: difficult to describe it in any other way.
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Speaker 2: And to Scott Morrison, he survived at the twenty nineteen
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Speaker 2: election because he was more Abbot than Turbule, but only
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Speaker 2: just And when he turned forcing the party to adopt
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Speaker 2: net zero at the Glasgow Climate Summit not long after
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Speaker 2: blowing billions in panic over COVID, he too was thrown
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Speaker 2: out of office as a Lib base walked at the
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two election, and then Peter Dutton, a good
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Speaker 2: man he sought in the polls because the center right
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Speaker 2: voters finally had a leader again, so they thought in
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Speaker 2: the mold of Howard and Abbott, a conviction liberal with
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Speaker 2: conservative instincts on economics, national security, immigration and social culture.
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Speaker 2: And yet he might have been that sort of man,
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Speaker 2: his opposition platform was anything but, and so voters punished
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Speaker 2: the coalition.
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Speaker 3: Hard as a result. Last May.
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Speaker 2: Now, I often say in politics, just when you think
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Speaker 2: it can't get worse, it can, and it did. Enter
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee, Dutton's former deputy, who tried to absolve herself
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Speaker 2: of any role in the Dutton mess. Well, she was
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Speaker 2: elected leader and amidst all the puff about her elevation
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Speaker 2: as the first female it was what she said at
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Speaker 2: that first press conference that defined and sunk her leadership.
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Speaker 12: We'll just here in this party, Ramoni. A couple of
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Speaker 12: hours ago, I committed to my colleagues that there would
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Speaker 12: be no captain's calls from anywhere by me. And I
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Speaker 12: also committed during the discussions I had with them this
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Speaker 12: week that we would work through every single policy issue,
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Speaker 12: we would canvas the different views, and we would take
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Speaker 12: the time to get it right.
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Speaker 2: Well, not only did that admission from Lee, as I say,
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Speaker 2: kill her leadership, but it was the line that shifted
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Speaker 2: a block of votes to one nation. And we know
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Speaker 2: that because last May, in Lee's own seat of Farr,
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Speaker 2: the one nation vote was just six percent. So what
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Speaker 2: happened on Saturday night is at the coalition's conservative base
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Speaker 2: already hanging on by a thread after a shocking decade
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Speaker 2: of betrayal, under delivery and denial, well it walked. How
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Speaker 2: can you believe in a party? People told me in
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Speaker 2: Parah when I was there, It doesn't believe in itself.
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Speaker 2: If the leader doesn't even know what they stand for,
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Speaker 2: what their policies are, Well, what's the point? Whatever was
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Speaker 2: left after Utton's lost last May was killed off by
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Speaker 2: Lee because all the while she stood reviewing herself stupid
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Speaker 2: and unable to say what she believed in. Waiting there
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Speaker 2: in the wings was the perfect counterbalance to her ideological limbo,
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Speaker 2: namely Pauline Hansen.
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Speaker 3: Now love her all over.
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Speaker 2: No one can be any in any doubt about what
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Speaker 2: Hansen stands for. And more than that, her consistency was
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Speaker 2: like chalk and cheese with the Coalition when they sat
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Speaker 2: on the fence, Hansen was clear where they cut and run.
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Speaker 2: On climate policy, in particular, she was prepared to fight
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Speaker 2: to the end where they talked around and around in
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Speaker 2: circles on immigration, where she went for the jungular and
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Speaker 2: as I saw myself first hand in the Howard years,
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Speaker 2: some of the strongest supporters of Fedinkham immigration policies are
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Speaker 2: migrants themselves. As Hansen reinforced today.
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Speaker 13: A lot of the people around me that are actually
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Speaker 13: migrants and people of all different cultural backs, grounds to
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Speaker 13: color skins and everything like that, we look past that
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Speaker 13: because they are so proud to be Australians and they say, Pauline,
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Speaker 13: we support you because we don't want this country to
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Speaker 13: become like the country that we left.
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Speaker 2: Out on the ground in Western Sydney this morning came
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Speaker 2: this from a long time migrant couple Australians but originally
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Speaker 2: here from Lebanon.
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Speaker 3: Yes do you like about her? Everything?
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Speaker 4: Everything you say?
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Speaker 8: I like her?
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Speaker 13: So do you vote for her in the next selection?
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Speaker 4: Yes, she's very honest.
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Speaker 14: Man, I don't mind.
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Speaker 15: But the bad migrant they shouldn't bring it to this
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Speaker 15: country because they ruined this country.
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Speaker 2: If you don't think the liberal base will stay with
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Speaker 2: one nation, and you are kidding yourself. Can the party
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Speaker 2: get them back? Yes it can, but it does not
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Speaker 2: have forever to do it, because the longer these people
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Speaker 2: are outside the tent, the more accustomed they will.
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Speaker 3: Be to stay there.
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Speaker 2: There are a lot of commentators that said that the
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Speaker 2: One Nation pol climb was just a grievance play, a
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Speaker 2: way to send a signal to the coalition, and that
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Speaker 2: it would not translate into votes on the ground. Well,
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Speaker 2: South Australia and now Farah proved them wrong. Victorian liberals
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Speaker 2: in the media today who point to last week's state
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Speaker 2: by election win as evidenced that they can withstand a
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Speaker 2: para like hit from One Nation in November, well they
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Speaker 2: are stupidly naive. Yes, the Liberals picked up a thirty
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Speaker 2: eight percent primary, but twenty four percent of the vote
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Speaker 2: went to One Nation, twenty one percent to a Teal.
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Speaker 3: And here's where it gets interesting.
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Speaker 2: If you look at last year's result in the federal
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Speaker 2: seat of Flinders across those Nepean state boundaries. Back then
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Speaker 2: the Libs had a thirty nine percent primary, so about
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Speaker 2: what it got at a state level a week ago.
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Speaker 2: The Teal twenty five percent, so a four point drop there.
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Speaker 2: And One Nation well they got just five point two
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Speaker 2: percent last May, meaning they've just had a ninety teen
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Speaker 2: percent increase are the same boundaries in their vote. Yes,
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Speaker 2: Labor ran last year and it did not run in
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Speaker 2: the recent by election. But in anyone's language, that massive
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Speaker 2: hike in the one nation vote in a seat like Napean,
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Speaker 2: I mean it includes Portsa and Sorrento. Well, that should
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Speaker 2: make locals wake up. With sixteen seats needed to change
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Speaker 2: governing Victorian Victoria, the Liberals can't afford a quarter of
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Speaker 2: the available vote to walk to one nation. Already, the
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Speaker 2: swing required for Jess Wilson to defeature sent to Allen
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Speaker 2: in November is between seven and eight two party preferred. Now,
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Speaker 2: that's a full two percent more than Jeff Kennett got
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Speaker 2: when he threw out Joan Kerner in nineteen ninety two.
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Speaker 2: You'll tell me, though, Peter, but people hate Labor in Victoria.
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Speaker 3: Sure they do, believe me, they do.
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Speaker 2: But the baseball bats were well and tually out for
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Speaker 2: Kerner and Labour's guilty party back.
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Speaker 3: Then and did not have to fight off one nation.
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Speaker 3: Let's not forget that.
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Speaker 2: Tomorrow is the federal budget and handed to the coalition
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Speaker 2: will be the opportunity of a massive broken promise as
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Speaker 2: Labor makes big changes to investment property rules that were
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Speaker 2: rejected by voters in the sixteen and twenty nineteen elections,
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Speaker 2: changes that the Prime Minister himself has said over and
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Speaker 2: over again he ruled out. Changes he would not do.
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Speaker 16: If we go to the current issue of negative gear
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Speaker 16: and capital gains tax, might you change not a parent issue?
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Speaker 16: Even though well it certainly on Friday pay at the
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Speaker 16: moment when you say there are no plans to change,
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Speaker 16: that doesn't mean it with trail.
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Speaker 6: That doesn't mean it's trail.
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Speaker 2: It'll be real tomorrow night. But for that broken promise
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Speaker 2: to move votes, Angus Taylor and Matt Canavan and the
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Speaker 2: coalition team have to be relentless to cut through. A
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Speaker 2: broken promise is only a broken promise that if voters
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Speaker 2: understand that they have been lied.
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Speaker 4: To, there will be no carbon tax under the government high.
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Speaker 2: Lead as Opposition leader Tony Abbott hung that broken promise
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Speaker 2: around Julia Gillard's neck every single day because he knew
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Speaker 2: the electric was already worried about trusting her after she
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Speaker 2: knifed Kevin Rudd. So this betrayal of them and the
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Speaker 2: financial hit to them was hammered home over and over again,
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Speaker 2: like Hanson Abbott was a conviction politician and he never
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Speaker 2: moved off his target. Even when so called experts said
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Speaker 2: that climate taxes were popular, Well they weren't, and that
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Speaker 2: he needed they said to talk about fifty other things
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Speaker 2: beyond tax boats and budget repair or you don't. Message
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Speaker 2: clarity and cut through are key. So with chances running
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Speaker 2: out to turn the Liberal ship around, they've got this
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Speaker 2: one budget this week. That's their test, isn't it. And
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Speaker 2: talk about the ABC. Talk from the ABC about changing leaders, please,
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Speaker 2: changing leaders. Putting in labor light liberals is what's got
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Speaker 2: them into this holy mess. To get them out, they
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Speaker 2: must fight, not fold, And I'll finish with this coalition.
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Speaker 2: MPs and strategists, hear me loud. Stop demonizing one nation,
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Speaker 2: Stop patronizing one nation voters, understand why people are angry.
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Speaker 3: Tackle it head.
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Speaker 2: On, because anything else is just a recipe for extinction.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to camberd now for the headlines. Parliament,
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Speaker 2: of course is on this week budget tomorrow night. Here's
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Speaker 2: our political reporter, Ribbon Spargo.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister is said to break a major election
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Speaker 7: promise in tomorrow night's budget, moving to overhaul negative gearing
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Speaker 7: and capital gains tax. The fifty percent CGT discount is
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Speaker 7: expected to be replaced by a system tied to inflation
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Speaker 7: from July next year. Negative gearing is to be limited
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Speaker 7: to newly built properties.
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Speaker 5: Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and
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Speaker 5: capital gains taxes?
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Speaker 6: How hard is it? For the fiftieth time?
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Speaker 7: The budget will spark a clash over whether voters can
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Speaker 7: trust the government after abandoning its pledge.
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Speaker 17: Have broken their word and Australians have woken up to
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Speaker 17: the dishonesty at the heart of this government and its budget.
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Speaker 13: If governments changed their mind or change the position that
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Speaker 13: they previously held, the responsibility is on government to explain that.
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Speaker 7: Taxes on trusts will also go up to thirty percent.
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Speaker 7: Workers can expect tax offsets of up to three hundred
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Speaker 7: dollars next year. One Nation will target Western Sydney seats
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Speaker 7: ahead of the next election in a bid to form government.
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Speaker 7: The party believes its success in migrant heavy parts of
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Speaker 7: Pharah is a sign that could challenge Labour's stronghold.
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Speaker 14: Most of the immigrants have arrived in Australia arrived for
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Speaker 14: a better life. That emphasis on what could we give
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Speaker 14: to Australia as opposed to what we can take from Australia.
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Speaker 11: We will be there to remind Western Sydney residents that
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Speaker 11: one nation has voted against every single bit of cost
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Speaker 11: of living relief we've provided.
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Speaker 7: The Liberal Party is reiterating the need to rebuild trust
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Speaker 7: after its vote collapsed.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's go now to the fallout from the
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Speaker 3: pharaoh by election.
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Speaker 2: Of course, that historic Lower House seat win for one Nation,
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Speaker 2: the Liberals going back big time, and that shot across
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Speaker 2: the bow for labor. Not to mention real lessons for
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Speaker 2: the Coldish to come. That state election in Victoria. Here
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Speaker 2: to discuss it in More Skies. Contributor Chris Yuelman. Well,
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Speaker 2: it's no longer a shift in the polls. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's not just a gripe with the Polster here, Chris,
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Speaker 2: this is a grievance vote that's now turning up in
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Speaker 2: big numbers on Poling Day, where before people were saying
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Speaker 2: that they were reluctantly voting for one nation. You saw
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Speaker 2: that room like I did on Saturday night. There was
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Speaker 2: real enthusiasm there. They wanted to vote for one nation.
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Speaker 2: That their t shirts on. They're out on the hustings
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Speaker 2: there for a couple of weeks, lots of volunteers. So
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Speaker 2: this is real now, this is absolutely real. So how
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Speaker 2: does the coalition get their voter back? And can they
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Speaker 2: get their voter back?
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Speaker 17: I don't think they can. I think that now we're
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Speaker 17: seeing a sea change in Australian politics. We have for
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Speaker 17: some time now seen a move away in the primary
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Speaker 17: vote for both major parties and Yes, in the long run,
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Speaker 17: that might be a problem for the Labor Party, but
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Speaker 17: the way our electoral system is structured, it is catastrophic
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Speaker 17: for the Liberal Party. You look at where the vote
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Speaker 17: came from thirty percent. The one Nation went up thirty
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Speaker 17: two percent. Thirty one percent of that came from the
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Speaker 17: Liberal Party. That's sending you a fairly profound message as
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Speaker 17: to where the real issue right now is now. In
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Speaker 17: the long run, there may be some concerns from the
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Speaker 17: Labor Party, but in the short run, and you have
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Speaker 17: to wonder whether or not the Liberal Party can survive
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Speaker 17: as a political force.
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Speaker 2: What about my thesis that this all started ten years
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Speaker 2: ago when Malcolm Turble I guess broke faith with the
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Speaker 2: Australian people. They thought the era of these knife things
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Speaker 2: of politicians that they saw under rud and Gillard was gone.
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Speaker 2: They'd elected Abbott in a landslide a Liberal primary vote
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Speaker 2: in the mid forties, and two years later the bloke's
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Speaker 2: thrown out. Two years later he is replaced with Scott Morrison.
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison takes them off to Glasgow and net zero.
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Speaker 2: They get in Peter Dutton and Peter Dutton is a
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Speaker 2: conservative and it doesn't act like a conservative. They add
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Speaker 2: insult to injury and throw them Susan Lee and the
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Speaker 2: best thing they could say about her was she's our
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Speaker 2: first woman.
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Speaker 3: Well, she was appalling.
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Speaker 2: She threw the policies up in the air on the
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Speaker 2: first day and said I don't know what I believe
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Speaker 2: in and we're going to review everything. And they wonder
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Speaker 2: why they're in this situation.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, Peter, I might rewind it a little tiny bit
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Speaker 17: further too, to the twenty fourteen budget. Promises that were
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Speaker 17: broken in that twenty fourteen budget did huge damage. They
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Speaker 17: certainly did huge damage to Tony Abbott, which led then
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Speaker 17: to the downward slope because then after that there was
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Speaker 17: a loss of trust, certainly from some sections of the
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Speaker 17: community that led for the growing drum beat of calls
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Speaker 17: to Malcolm turbot.
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Speaker 3: But you're dead right.
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Speaker 17: This didn't happen overnight. This has been a very very
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Speaker 17: long time coming, which is why you wonder what individual
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Speaker 17: could fix it. And I also wonder whether there is
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Speaker 17: now really the personnel inside the Liberal Party to fix it.
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Speaker 17: They have been so gutted and they're now so frightened
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Speaker 17: to go either left or right because they've been beaten
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Speaker 17: apart on both sides.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm happy to reltigate the twenty fourteen budget
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Speaker 2: because a lot of that repair work, if it had
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Speaker 2: been adopted, would be in. The budget was in much
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Speaker 2: better state in terms of recurrent big spending than it
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Speaker 2: is now.
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Speaker 3: But I take your point.
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Speaker 2: There was a Medicare co payment that got people very angry.
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Speaker 2: There was an indexation change to the ABC or they
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Speaker 2: brought him in efficiency dividend. Yes they've got the love
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Speaker 2: is angry. But yes, yes, I think it was a lot.
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Speaker 3: More that promise.
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Speaker 11: Peter.
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Speaker 17: If I would have said, yes, I amn't going to
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Speaker 17: cut the ABC, I don't know why you haven't made
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Speaker 17: that particular one.
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Speaker 2: Well, we put the efficiency dividend. Just on that one,
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Speaker 2: we put the efficiency dividend, but every other part of
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Speaker 2: the Public Service had but not the ABC Anyway. I
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Speaker 2: think the broader point is that for too long the
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party has been scared of its own shadow, and
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Speaker 2: it's allowed that the big moderate voices inside that party
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Speaker 2: room that are disproportionate to the people who vote for
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Speaker 2: them every election to determine policy. And the policy stopped
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Speaker 2: looking like the policy of Mensies of Howard, and it's
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Speaker 2: become just a less red version of labor. Now, if
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Speaker 2: you want the real thing, you'll vote for labor. But
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Speaker 2: all they've been saying is we'll manage the economy just
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Speaker 2: a little less worse than labor. Our immigration will be
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Speaker 2: just marginally.
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Speaker 3: Better than labor.
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Speaker 2: We'll do something a little bit better than labor on productivity,
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Speaker 2: but we won't do what's needed. We have been really
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Speaker 2: weak in a policy sense, and it's that weakness.
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Speaker 3: It's that lack of clarity, Chris.
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Speaker 2: That's why they're going to Pauline, because she's nothing if
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Speaker 2: not clear, consistent and up for a fight.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 17: Look, and if you can't describe yourself, there's no way
20:17
Speaker 17: that people should vote for you. And people essentially want
20:20
Speaker 17: two things as a political party. One is conviction. They'd
20:22
Speaker 17: really like you to have that, But if you don't
20:24
Speaker 17: have that, they'd like you to be competent. Now, if
20:26
Speaker 17: you have shown that you are neither neither have any
20:28
Speaker 17: conviction nor any competence, then you fail at both hurdles.
20:32
Speaker 17: And I think the real issue now in Victoria is
20:35
Speaker 17: can the Liberal Party address the slide enough to be
20:39
Speaker 17: in a position to be competitive in those sixteen seats
20:42
Speaker 17: that you were talking about. What happens in our party
20:44
Speaker 17: system though, is if the right hand vote shatters across
20:47
Speaker 17: a number of parties, well then and the example that
20:52
Speaker 17: you gave a little earlier, well, the Labor and the
20:55
Speaker 17: Green votes will elect the independent. So you might see
20:58
Speaker 17: some change, but it won't be to the Book Party necessarily.
21:01
Speaker 17: So I think that is the next obvious real test
21:04
Speaker 17: for the Liberals and whether or not they can arrest
21:07
Speaker 17: the slide there. But at a federal level, I think
21:10
Speaker 17: that the genie is out of the bottle. Now the
21:12
Speaker 17: Liberal Party has to go through this. The question is
21:14
Speaker 17: will it Will it be any kind of force on
21:16
Speaker 17: the other side, Yeah, they will.
21:20
Speaker 3: Be going through it.
21:21
Speaker 2: I grew with yours as to whether they come out
21:23
Speaker 2: intact at the other side, because I hear plothy of
21:26
Speaker 2: rumors that there are former prime ministers and others looking
21:30
Speaker 2: to form basically a moderate liberal party to purge itself
21:34
Speaker 2: of the conservative base.
21:37
Speaker 3: I think it's walking anyway.
21:39
Speaker 2: And try and just basically be a blue Teal type,
21:44
Speaker 2: less green than the Teals are now, perhaps a little
21:46
Speaker 2: bit blue, but certainly basically a new moderate party. And
21:49
Speaker 2: I looked, I listened carefully, but I looked at Pauline's
21:52
Speaker 2: commentary yesterday and particularly on Saturday night.
21:57
Speaker 3: She pivoted so quickly.
21:58
Speaker 2: She went from say this is a great win for
22:00
Speaker 2: the people of Phara Chris to be this is all
22:02
Speaker 2: about Australia, This is all about everyone out there watching
22:05
Speaker 2: to night on the broadcast. We are coming for the
22:07
Speaker 2: party that's in your seat. We are coming to represent
22:10
Speaker 2: all of you. We hear you, where with you?
22:12
Speaker 14: Etc.
22:13
Speaker 2: That was a gear shift, right, And then we sent
22:16
Speaker 2: journalists out of the ground today out into Western Sydney,
22:19
Speaker 2: an area that she marked out, and there's a lot
22:21
Speaker 2: of support for her. So can they win in a city?
22:25
Speaker 2: Can they win in our capital cities because you need
22:28
Speaker 2: our capital cities to form government.
22:32
Speaker 17: Well, that would be the big test, right, And the
22:34
Speaker 17: thing that concerned Peter Malnawskis in the South Australian elector
22:37
Speaker 17: election was the seat of Elizabeth, which did have a
22:39
Speaker 17: very big one nation vote. Now can that be com
22:42
Speaker 17: repeated in the western suburbs of the city. Will us to
22:44
Speaker 17: be a security guard in the western suburbs of Sydney
22:46
Speaker 17: And it's not what people imagine in a lot of ways.
22:49
Speaker 17: And one of the things I'll say that was back
22:50
Speaker 17: in the nine and eighty is it's changed a lot
22:52
Speaker 17: since then. But the migrant communities were very proud Australians,
22:56
Speaker 17: as so many migrants are, and they didn't like people
22:59
Speaker 17: that to Australia and undermined Australia. And I think that
23:03
Speaker 17: one of the things that's missing from politics illustrate at
23:05
Speaker 17: the moment is a sense of positiveism. And I think
23:07
Speaker 17: that one of the issues that one nation has if
23:10
Speaker 17: it's going to bridge that divide and go into those
23:12
Speaker 17: multicultural communities, it's got to have a message that basically says,
23:15
Speaker 17: you know, we're not entirely against immigration, but it's got
23:17
Speaker 17: to be the right kind of immigration. We have a
23:19
Speaker 17: right to decide who comes to the country, and also
23:22
Speaker 17: too that people come here should be proud to be
23:25
Speaker 17: part of our community and take on some of the
23:26
Speaker 17: great things that are part of that community. I think
23:29
Speaker 17: in the end too, one of the things that's happened
23:30
Speaker 17: to politics over the last ten or fifteen years is
23:33
Speaker 17: this diet.
23:33
Speaker 7: Of despair that we've been fed.
23:35
Speaker 17: People just want to feel good about their country again,
23:38
Speaker 17: and there isn't anyone actually talking about that.
23:42
Speaker 2: I often say when I speak at events that the
23:44
Speaker 2: Conservatives are terrible at selling hope a labor promises hope
23:48
Speaker 2: never delivers.
23:49
Speaker 3: But you vote to feel.
23:50
Speaker 2: Good in many cases, or you vote for an improvement
23:53
Speaker 2: in your circumstances. And if we're heavy on the doom
23:55
Speaker 2: and gloom, why would you vote for us? Just two
23:58
Speaker 2: quick ones climate too hun than Teals climb in two
24:02
Speaker 2: hundred was looking to spend a million dollars in that
24:04
Speaker 2: seat on the weekend, get up through everything it could
24:07
Speaker 2: also against the other players in the field supporting the
24:10
Speaker 2: Teal What does this say about Teals, especially in their
24:15
Speaker 2: push to get into regional Australia is.
24:17
Speaker 3: The game up now?
24:21
Speaker 17: Look then they will have piqued when it comes to that.
24:22
Speaker 17: But the thing that's staggering about it, Peter, is the
24:24
Speaker 17: amount of money that's been dedicated to this. And you
24:27
Speaker 17: talk about a former Prime minister, Well it's quite obvious
24:29
Speaker 17: that it's Malcolm Turnbull who has been supporting the Teals
24:32
Speaker 17: at least in spirit if in no other way. So
24:34
Speaker 17: there is a huge push to try and destroy the
24:36
Speaker 17: Liberal Party. I mean, I think that was the outcome, right.
24:39
Speaker 17: It was not that they wanted necessarily a more moderate
24:42
Speaker 17: Liberal party. They just wanted a Liberal Party gone. And
24:44
Speaker 17: you have to say they've been remarkably successful, but they
24:46
Speaker 17: have had wads of cash in order to do it.
24:51
Speaker 2: Can the coalition hang this broken promise that we will
24:57
Speaker 2: see tomorrow night in relation to negative gear, given we've
25:01
Speaker 2: got now so much footage at the Prime Minister ruling
25:04
Speaker 2: it out over and over and over again, can they
25:07
Speaker 2: hang it around Labour's neck effectively as Tony Abbad did
25:12
Speaker 2: to Julia Gillard over the carbon tax?
25:16
Speaker 17: And again, I think things have changed a lot. I
25:18
Speaker 17: think one of the things, unfortunately that politicians do now
25:21
Speaker 17: is that they know that most people aren't paying attention and.
25:25
Speaker 7: The viewership really is fractured across.
25:27
Speaker 17: So many different ways of getting you and use you
25:30
Speaker 17: tend to see the things that you want to see.
25:32
Speaker 17: You'd hope that Angus Taylor could be able to make
25:34
Speaker 17: something of this. But I think the government believes that
25:37
Speaker 17: it can get away with this because most people just
25:39
Speaker 17: aren't paying attention. Yeah, look with the policy itself. I mean,
25:43
Speaker 17: I just think the government wants more money right now.
25:45
Speaker 17: If the idea that you're going to tax away to
25:47
Speaker 17: more supply in the housing market doesn't seem to add
25:49
Speaker 17: up to me, the government just wants more and more
25:51
Speaker 17: cash to throw onto the pier of burning cash that
25:55
Speaker 17: we already have. And that's the issue I have. I
25:58
Speaker 17: don't think this government should get another dollar more until
26:00
Speaker 17: it makes some significant savings.
26:04
Speaker 2: Doesn't the lying of politicians Chris add to the erosion
26:07
Speaker 2: in trust of the electorate?
26:10
Speaker 17: I look absolutely, And when you talk about that one
26:12
Speaker 17: nation thing, you know what really resonates with me. In
26:14
Speaker 17: twenty sixteen, I went down to Logan County in West
26:16
Speaker 17: Virginia in the United States to meet the people down
26:18
Speaker 17: there who were voting for Donald Trump. They had been Republicans,
26:21
Speaker 17: they had been Democrats in fact, then they became Republicans,
26:24
Speaker 17: and then eventually they got so jack of everybody because
26:27
Speaker 17: their lifestyles always got worse and they didn't want someone
26:30
Speaker 17: to go to Washington and fix it. They want someone
26:32
Speaker 17: to go to Washington and burn it down. So I
26:35
Speaker 17: think there's a level of rage in the community at
26:37
Speaker 17: the moment too, that politics as usual just does not
26:40
Speaker 17: work for them. We're seeing it in the US, we're
26:42
Speaker 17: seeing it in the UK, and we're seeing it here.
26:45
Speaker 2: You know, wrong on that one. I'll go to the
26:47
Speaker 2: UK a little bit later on. Thank you, Chris. All right,
26:49
Speaker 2: let's have a quick break coming up. After the break,
26:51
Speaker 2: I want to get into the whole issue with those
26:53
Speaker 2: Isis women who returned to Australia on Thursday, arrested as
26:57
Speaker 2: you know, behind closed doors. Well, they were back in
27:00
Speaker 2: court today and where's the police commissioned at She was
27:03
Speaker 2: front and center for the rest of ben Robert Smith,
27:05
Speaker 2: but nowhere to be seen when Islamic State linked individuals
27:09
Speaker 2: were ushered back into Australia.
27:11
Speaker 3: Was she? That's next? Welcome back to the extraordinary. I
27:20
Speaker 3: guess fake accounting and I don't know what else I
27:22
Speaker 3: can call it.
27:23
Speaker 2: From the Treasurer in his interview with my colleague Andrew
27:25
Speaker 2: Clanel yesterday, We'll get to that and also the seats
27:28
Speaker 2: that one nation will now target after that win in Parah.
27:32
Speaker 2: I've got some of that detail for you as well.
27:33
Speaker 2: But first, the two women who have been accused of
27:37
Speaker 2: crimes against humanity faced court in Melbourne again today where
27:41
Speaker 2: they postponed their bail applications. This means they're set to
27:45
Speaker 2: remain behind bars until June. Joined me now to discuss this.
27:49
Speaker 2: The Shadow Attorney General Macadia Cash Makatia Cash.
27:52
Speaker 3: Ponder this one for me.
27:54
Speaker 2: If the Federal police had enough to charge these women
27:57
Speaker 2: on arrival into Australia, then surely the government had enough grounds,
28:02
Speaker 2: enough evidence to steek a temporary exclusion order to keep
28:07
Speaker 2: them out of Australia in the first place. I'm told
28:10
Speaker 2: this was a decision of Tony Burke. So why did
28:14
Speaker 2: he act to protect Australians.
28:19
Speaker 4: Well, that's pretty obvious.
28:21
Speaker 18: He number one fan, his number one supporter, Jamal Rifke,
28:26
Speaker 18: was the one who went over to Syria to assist
28:30
Speaker 18: these Isis brides in returning. I mean, let's face it,
28:34
Speaker 18: he actually runs the Friends of Tony Burke club. So
28:38
Speaker 18: I think, quite frankly, that's why Tony Burke didn't actually
28:42
Speaker 18: issue the temporary exclusion order. And you are absolutely right,
28:46
Speaker 18: Peter all that Tony Burker's minister needed was a reasonable
28:51
Speaker 18: suscipicion that these women would pose.
28:55
Speaker 4: A threat to community safety.
28:57
Speaker 18: Women who committed defense by leaving Australia and joining the
29:02
Speaker 18: Islamic death could of isis. But more than that is
29:05
Speaker 18: you rightly pointed out women who have now been charged
29:08
Speaker 18: with criminal offenses. Mister Burke should be upfront with the
29:12
Speaker 18: Australian people and let them know we are too weak
29:16
Speaker 18: as a government to keep these women out.
29:19
Speaker 4: But more than that, my good friend was the one.
29:22
Speaker 18: Who was over there, the person who actually leads the
29:26
Speaker 18: Friends of Tony Burke fanclub assisting in bringing them home.
29:32
Speaker 18: If I was the minister, I can tell you right
29:34
Speaker 18: now I would have formed a reasonable suspicion.
29:39
Speaker 2: What about the AFP's conduct here too, You know I'm
29:41
Speaker 2: Thursday night. These women were ushered out off the plane
29:44
Speaker 2: behind closed doors.
29:45
Speaker 3: They were arrested away from the cameras.
29:48
Speaker 2: Unlike that highly staged spectacle we saw with the arrest
29:51
Speaker 2: of Ben Roberts Smith. The AFP filmed that arrest, they
29:55
Speaker 2: issued the footage to the media. Now, how can we
29:58
Speaker 2: have a government ag be so different in their treatment
30:03
Speaker 2: of individuals?
30:06
Speaker 18: Well, it's a very good question, and as you know,
30:08
Speaker 18: we have sent estimates coming up in approximately two weeks time.
30:12
Speaker 18: And I believe that the AFP and the Commissioner had
30:14
Speaker 18: very serious questions to answer.
30:16
Speaker 4: You have a decorated war hero.
30:20
Speaker 18: Who has been awarded the Victoria Cross, who is arrested
30:25
Speaker 18: on the plane, marched down a tarmac in front of
30:29
Speaker 18: his teenage daughters, that is actually filmed, and the footage
30:33
Speaker 18: is actually given to the media, and then the Commissioner
30:36
Speaker 18: of the AFP indulges in what was an incredibly long
30:41
Speaker 18: press conference versus the Isis brides. Why weren't they arrested
30:48
Speaker 18: on the airplane walked down the tarmac that was filmed.
30:51
Speaker 4: Instead, what we saw was.
30:53
Speaker 18: Their supporters at the airport trying to shield them from
30:58
Speaker 18: the media. But what is worse is that one of
31:01
Speaker 18: the journalists, who I thought asked a very reasonable question,
31:05
Speaker 18: why did you leave Australia to marry a terrorist, was
31:09
Speaker 18: actually called a slut by one of the supporters. So
31:14
Speaker 18: I think the AFP Commissioner has very serious questions to answer.
31:19
Speaker 18: There is a double standard here and quite frankly, I
31:22
Speaker 18: think Australian should be demanding transparency in relation to why
31:28
Speaker 18: one was so publicly done but the other when you
31:33
Speaker 18: turn your back in Australia and you go and join
31:35
Speaker 18: the death cult of Isis. Basically there's nothing to see here.
31:41
Speaker 18: We will be I can assure you exploring this at
31:45
Speaker 18: Senate estimates.
31:47
Speaker 3: Why there's something else to add to your mix.
31:49
Speaker 2: Have look at business comments made on Thursday night after
31:52
Speaker 2: these women were arrested by the Assistant Chief Commissioner to
31:56
Speaker 2: the media.
31:58
Speaker 19: Given the pending charges, court processes and ongoing investigations, there
32:05
Speaker 19: will be limited details I can provide. I'm not going
32:07
Speaker 19: to talk in any specific details about any case because
32:12
Speaker 19: the matters are before the court. All I can say
32:14
Speaker 19: is that we've undertaken the investigations and met the appropriate
32:17
Speaker 19: evidential thresholds.
32:20
Speaker 2: Okay, So, when Ben Robert Smith was arrested, we got
32:23
Speaker 2: the Chief Commissioner with all her fruit salad on her uniform,
32:27
Speaker 2: and she was flanked by others and she took question
32:30
Speaker 2: after question after question, a lot of detail in her
32:33
Speaker 2: press conference when these Islamic State alleged sympathizers were arrested.
32:39
Speaker 2: While they were arrested behind closed doors, as I say,
32:41
Speaker 2: we get the Assistant Chief Commissioner. So there's the Commissioner,
32:45
Speaker 2: there is five Deputy Chief Commissioners. Then you get into
32:49
Speaker 2: the assistant commissioners, like we're going right down the batting
32:51
Speaker 2: order here and the bloke you might well be a
32:54
Speaker 2: good officer, I don't know, but he basically blocked every question.
32:58
Speaker 3: On Thursday night. Not good enough, not fair treatment.
33:02
Speaker 18: Machaulia cash absolutely and transparency is absolutely required. These are
33:08
Speaker 18: people who left our country. They didn't leave last week, Peter.
33:12
Speaker 18: They have now been living with the Islamic Caliphate. In fact,
33:16
Speaker 18: some of the children, I understand, were born into the
33:19
Speaker 18: Islamic Caliphate.
33:20
Speaker 4: That is all they have ever known.
33:23
Speaker 18: They turned their back on Australia, They turned their back
33:26
Speaker 18: on Australians.
33:27
Speaker 4: They are now back here on home soil.
33:29
Speaker 18: And I would have thought that the Australian people deserve
33:32
Speaker 18: transparency in relation to what is going on with them.
33:36
Speaker 18: I do agree with the Commissioner, Don't get me wrong.
33:38
Speaker 18: You would not want to do anything that would now
33:40
Speaker 18: prejudice the fact that these matters are before the courts.
33:44
Speaker 18: But in saying that, there's still a hell of a
33:46
Speaker 18: lot more information that we can be given. And yet
33:49
Speaker 18: again it's the double standard. A decorated war hero. You
33:54
Speaker 18: cannot take that away from Ben Roberts Smith and just
33:59
Speaker 18: how blick that arrest was and the number of questions
34:04
Speaker 18: that were answered versus Quite frankly, I want to hear
34:08
Speaker 18: more about the Isis brides because, as I said, that
34:12
Speaker 18: is a clear contrast between Labor and the Angus Taylor
34:16
Speaker 18: led coalition. We would do everything we could, and we
34:20
Speaker 18: would be proud to ensure that these women are kept
34:23
Speaker 18: out of our great country as long as possible.
34:27
Speaker 2: I like to call them Isis linked women makaylay. If
34:31
Speaker 2: we call them Isis brides, it sounds like yes, you're
34:33
Speaker 2: doing yes, you know wacky some of Kontiki holiday and
34:37
Speaker 2: didn't know what they were doing. Just quickly when she
34:40
Speaker 2: was pushed the other day, the Chief Commissioner said, the
34:43
Speaker 2: children will be asked asked to participate in deradicalization programs. Now,
34:48
Speaker 2: I've had a bit of a dig around. I have
34:50
Speaker 2: had a good look at what's happened in the United Kingdom.
34:52
Speaker 2: They at least test the efficacy of these programs. There's
34:56
Speaker 2: been a number of reports. A Home officer report a
34:59
Speaker 2: house of lords to say that they're not worth much
35:02
Speaker 2: at all. One of them said ninety five percent ineffectual.
35:05
Speaker 2: I might add that one of the terrorists in the
35:07
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen London attack, well, he had just finished one
35:11
Speaker 2: of these dead programs. So what can you tell us
35:14
Speaker 2: about the programs in Australia? I mean, how much are
35:16
Speaker 2: they costing us? Why can't these kids be forced.
35:19
Speaker 3: To do it?
35:20
Speaker 2: And if they have to do it, are they effective
35:23
Speaker 2: at deradicalizing anyone?
35:27
Speaker 18: Well, in relation to the comments by the commissioner, I
35:30
Speaker 18: think that the fact that they are being asked to
35:33
Speaker 18: participate in a deradicalization program, I think that would horrify
35:39
Speaker 18: every Australian.
35:41
Speaker 4: What do you mean by asked? Are they able to
35:43
Speaker 4: say no? Peter Win? Relation to these children, they have now.
35:46
Speaker 18: Lived in the Isis death cult for a number of years.
35:51
Speaker 18: As I said, the reports are that some of them
35:53
Speaker 18: were born into the Isis death cult.
35:57
Speaker 4: That's all they've ever known. I'm sorry, but they should
36:00
Speaker 4: be asked to participate. It should be mandatory.
36:05
Speaker 18: One of the issues though I do have in relation
36:07
Speaker 18: to the programs is there's no national consistency. These are
36:12
Speaker 18: state run programs and each state does it differently. There's
36:17
Speaker 18: been no comprehensive review of the programs to determine whether
36:21
Speaker 18: or not they are indeed effective. You are right about
36:24
Speaker 18: what's come out of the UK. In the UK, they're
36:27
Speaker 18: pretty upfront the programs that they have been running have
36:30
Speaker 18: not been effective. We now have four ISOs linked women
36:35
Speaker 18: and their children on Australian soil.
36:38
Speaker 4: Enough is enough. There shouldn't be any asking to do anything.
36:41
Speaker 18: It should be mandatory and quite frankly, we should now
36:45
Speaker 18: as both an opposition and a government, be looking at
36:48
Speaker 18: a national program so that the Australian people know exactly
36:53
Speaker 18: what is being done on the ground because their community
36:57
Speaker 18: led voluntary program.
37:00
Speaker 4: What the hell does that even mean? Peter.
37:02
Speaker 18: To be honest with you, I think that this is
37:04
Speaker 18: now serious enough that we have to have a very
37:07
Speaker 18: very good look at these programs. We need a national approach.
37:11
Speaker 18: We do need to have a national audit of them, because,
37:14
Speaker 18: as I said, we've now got these people on the
37:17
Speaker 18: ground here in Australia and I'm really sorry, but I
37:21
Speaker 18: do not trust the current system. Call me a cynic, Peter,
37:24
Speaker 18: but as I said, I'm from the stide of politics
37:27
Speaker 18: that would have proudly kept these women out of Australia
37:30
Speaker 18: for as long as possible.
37:33
Speaker 2: I have to say, you're right, Mackayla Cash, and I
37:35
Speaker 2: know you're going to pursue it, but please do because
37:37
Speaker 2: there are hundreds of people that have been involved in terrorism,
37:43
Speaker 2: accusations and engagement with terrorism in this country. So these
37:48
Speaker 2: deraid programs are putting a lot of faith in something
37:50
Speaker 2: that we're not even testing whether it works or not.
37:54
Speaker 3: I'll leave it there, thank you all.
37:55
Speaker 2: Right after the break, what are the seats that Paul
37:58
Speaker 2: and Hanssen's going to target now? After that thumping went
38:00
Speaker 2: on the weekend and later says the earlier you put
38:04
Speaker 2: your child into Unionize Big childcare the better.
38:08
Speaker 3: On Mother's Day of all.
38:09
Speaker 2: Days, welcome back. Tomorrow night, of course is the budget.
38:17
Speaker 2: I've got a special here tomorrow night for an hour
38:19
Speaker 2: and a half leading right up to the Treasurer's speech
38:22
Speaker 2: at seven point thirty.
38:23
Speaker 3: But the leagues, of.
38:23
Speaker 2: Course have been coming thick and fast for weeks now.
38:27
Speaker 3: Trusts are under attack.
38:29
Speaker 2: Changes to the rules around investment properties are there as well,
38:32
Speaker 2: plus changes to capital gains tax as well. All of
38:36
Speaker 2: this despite promising, of course, this is the Prime Minister
38:39
Speaker 2: that there would be no changes at all at the
38:42
Speaker 2: last election.
38:43
Speaker 5: Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and
38:46
Speaker 5: capital gains taxes?
38:48
Speaker 6: How hard is it for the fiftieth time?
38:52
Speaker 3: How hard is it? Pretty hard to keep your word?
38:53
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Well joining me now to discuss these broken
38:56
Speaker 2: promises as Shadow Finance Minister Claire Chandler.
39:00
Speaker 3: Well, Claire, he couldn't have been clearer.
39:02
Speaker 2: But of course attacking investment properties is only going to
39:06
Speaker 2: make it harder on renters, isn't it, Well, Peter.
39:11
Speaker 20: The number of broken promises that Anthony Albanesi is going
39:15
Speaker 20: to stack up tomorrow night, I suspect might even be
39:18
Speaker 20: greater than the government debt that is going to be
39:20
Speaker 20: stacked up tomorrow night. And there's going to be an
39:22
Speaker 20: awful lot of that.
39:24
Speaker 3: Look.
39:24
Speaker 20: I have lost count of how many times I've said
39:27
Speaker 20: over the last few weeks in the lead up to
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Speaker 20: the budget, you don't create more of something by taxing it,
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Speaker 20: and that is exactly what this government is trying to
39:35
Speaker 20: do with the changes to CGT or negative gearing. Now
39:39
Speaker 20: we don't know exactly what that's going to look like,
39:42
Speaker 20: but the fundamental principle is that if you want more
39:44
Speaker 20: of something, don't tax it. That is a disincentive to
39:48
Speaker 20: make more of it. So not only broken promises that
39:51
Speaker 20: we'll be seeing from mister Albenzi in the budget tomorrow night,
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Speaker 20: but also, like I say, trying to solve a problem
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Speaker 20: in a way that isn't action going to solve it.
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Speaker 20: When it comes to Australia's housing market.
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Speaker 2: The last time Labor did this, Claire was under Paul
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Speaker 2: Keating and they reversed pretty quickly when they saw the
40:10
Speaker 2: damage was done to the investment property sector. They ruled
40:14
Speaker 2: it out in the twenty nineteen and twenty two, twenty
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Speaker 2: sixteen and twenty nine elections.
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Speaker 3: And you know you.
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Speaker 2: Heard the PM They have sworn black and blue they
40:23
Speaker 2: wouldn't do it.
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Speaker 3: So can you cut.
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Speaker 2: Through with voters over this broken promise? It's got to
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Speaker 2: matter for something that the government can't keep its word.
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Speaker 20: I think that's exactly right, Peter, And I mean we've
40:39
Speaker 20: previously seen plenty of governments of all colors rightly be
40:44
Speaker 20: criticized by oppositions for breaking promises and the like. And
40:48
Speaker 20: so I think Australians do have to remember tomorrow night,
40:51
Speaker 20: when Jim Chalmers is handing down the budget that most likely,
40:54
Speaker 20: going by reports, there will be promises that were made
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Speaker 20: at the last election that will be broken in this budget.
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Speaker 20: And look, it's the government that has to stand up
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Speaker 20: and defend those broken promises, but when the opposition will
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Speaker 20: certainly be highlighting the fact that those promises have been
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Speaker 20: broken and that represents a real breach of trust that
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Speaker 20: this government has with Australian people.
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Speaker 2: I want to play a comment to you from an
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Speaker 2: interview yesterday with the Treasurer and my colleague Andrew Clenell,
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Speaker 2: because he's still trying to spin this line that billions
41:27
Speaker 2: and billions in budget savings are real, despite conceding that
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Speaker 2: we will not have a surplus now for the next
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Speaker 2: four years.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen, when.
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Speaker 17: Do you think there will be a surplus again in
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Speaker 17: this country for a government federal government.
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Speaker 9: Won't be in the next four years. But we will
41:48
Speaker 9: get the budget deficits down. People would have noticed in
41:51
Speaker 9: the mid year update, despite all the good work of
41:54
Speaker 9: the government, despite the very substantial progress we've made, we
41:57
Speaker 9: had deficits in the mid thirty billions. So we will
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Speaker 9: get those deficits down a bit in the budget on
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Speaker 9: Tuesday night because we will be saving more than we spend.
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Speaker 9: We've got sixty four billion dollars of savings in the budget.
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Speaker 9: That's more than the usual amount.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Claire, you can't have sixty four billion dollars in
42:19
Speaker 2: savings and still run a deficit budget. A deficit means
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Speaker 2: you are spending more than you're bringing in, right, So
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Speaker 2: the savings are meaningless. If you are still spending more
42:31
Speaker 2: then you've got left. They're not real savings. Then how
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Speaker 2: does the media let him get away with this?
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Speaker 14: Well?
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Speaker 20: I think that's a great question, Peter, why the media
42:41
Speaker 20: does let the government get away with these lines. But
42:45
Speaker 20: there's been a lot of tricky accounting going on from
42:47
Speaker 20: this government for quite some time, and they have started
42:51
Speaker 20: to talk a slightly bigger and more ambitious game when
42:54
Speaker 20: it comes to savings. But I think the proof tomorrow
42:56
Speaker 20: tomorrow night is really going to be in the pudding
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Speaker 20: and see whether or not those savings are genuine, or
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Speaker 20: if they are saves in certain areas to account for
43:06
Speaker 20: overspends in other areas.
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Speaker 3: And I note that.
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Speaker 20: Much has been made about potential savings to the NDIS.
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Speaker 20: That's all well and good, but we also know that
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Speaker 20: Jim Chalmers went around to his cabinet ministers only a
43:19
Speaker 20: couple of months ago, and I asked them to find
43:21
Speaker 20: savings in all of their departments.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's actually.
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Speaker 20: Look and see where those savings are occurring. Because this
43:28
Speaker 20: is a government that says, for example, when it comes
43:31
Speaker 20: to the public service, that the number of aps is
43:34
Speaker 20: an operational matter at for department secretaries to manage, rather
43:38
Speaker 20: than cabinet ministers taking responsibility for their budgets of their
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Speaker 20: own departments. So, like I said, the proof will be
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Speaker 20: in the pudding tomorrow night. But let's look very carefully
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Speaker 20: at where those saves are.
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Speaker 3: All right, we'll look forward to your analysis. Thank you.
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Speaker 3: I got to explain it like this.
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Speaker 2: Imagine if you said you wanted to lose weight, right,
43:57
Speaker 2: so you save ten kilos, but you put twenty on.
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Speaker 3: You haven't lost weight, have you.
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Speaker 2: Well, Jim Chalmers, you haven't got savings, You're still fat
44:05
Speaker 2: and the budget is still in the red. All right,
44:08
Speaker 2: we'll get into Keir Starmer after the break. A whole
44:11
Speaker 2: lot of stuff on Net zero. What's happening there in
44:13
Speaker 2: those fallen handsome seats in a moment, Welcome back my
44:22
Speaker 2: paddel now One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby and
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Speaker 2: Women's Forum Australia Head of Advocacy Stephanie Bastian, will start
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Speaker 2: with you, James. An enormous historic win for you and
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Speaker 2: the party on the weekend, and I will pay.
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Speaker 3: Credit to you personally.
44:37
Speaker 2: You and I have known each other for nearly twenty
44:39
Speaker 2: five years probably, and you deserve a lot of credit
44:42
Speaker 2: for the back end becoming so professional where too now,
44:46
Speaker 2: because I listened to a battery of Labor people sit
44:48
Speaker 2: there on the desk all day today saying yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: but that's a regional seat.
44:52
Speaker 3: One nation can't win in the big cities.
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Speaker 15: Well, all you have to do have a look at
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Speaker 15: these emerging cities and larger outer regional towns like Aubrey,
45:04
Speaker 15: and you can see precisely how well we've done.
45:07
Speaker 14: And I don't underestimate the.
45:10
Speaker 15: Mood of the Australian vader, whether they're in a city
45:13
Speaker 15: or a regional area. They're upset with the UNI Party,
45:15
Speaker 15: that being Labor and the coalition. There's a lot that's
45:18
Speaker 15: gone wrong in this country. That's why we're a trillion
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Speaker 15: dollars in debt.
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Speaker 14: Now. I will admit the Labor government do.
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Speaker 15: Things a hell of a lot worse than the Liberal
45:25
Speaker 15: coalition with the Nationals. But the reason we're in this
45:28
Speaker 15: predicament where families are hurting, they can barely afford to
45:31
Speaker 15: keep a roof over their head, let alone fill the
45:33
Speaker 15: shopping trolley. More and more people now are starting to
45:36
Speaker 15: realize there's got to be a better alternative, and that alternative,
45:39
Speaker 15: with the right candidates and promising policy that we've put forward,
45:44
Speaker 15: is why people are voting for one nation.
45:48
Speaker 2: They say politics is downstream of culture staff and there's
45:51
Speaker 2: things that go viral that you would not expect to
45:54
Speaker 2: go viral. I expected this one to go viral, as
45:57
Speaker 2: I suspect you did as well. Yesterday on Mother's Day,
46:01
Speaker 2: Katie Gallagher goes out there and says that the sooner
46:04
Speaker 2: and the faster you get your child into childcare, and
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Speaker 2: it's unionize big childcare only here in Australia, that's your
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Speaker 2: only option, the better. But that up ends the value
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Speaker 2: of mothers.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely fancy picking Mother's Day to tell women how to
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Speaker 1: raise their children, since tone deaf is their policy on this.
46:23
Speaker 1: I think what Katie's really demonstrating here is how afraid
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Speaker 1: she is. The genie is out of the bottle and
46:28
Speaker 1: she's trying to shove it back in and at the
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Speaker 1: moment the Coalition have picked up on this issue and
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Speaker 1: they're promising to look at reforms and Labor want women
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Speaker 1: as economic imits back in the workforce, not having choice
46:39
Speaker 1: about how their children are raise.
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Speaker 3: But mothers have had enough.
46:42
Speaker 1: They do not trust the childcare system. Many of them
46:44
Speaker 1: do not feel safe with the rates of abuse and
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Speaker 1: neglect that's going on, and some just want to raise
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Speaker 1: their children, not leave it to the government. Absolutely tone deaf,
46:52
Speaker 1: and I think that parents are going to continue to
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Speaker 1: push a reform and this is a big election issue
46:57
Speaker 1: that will affect female voters and families. Zach demographic that
47:01
Speaker 1: Labor prides itself on holding.
47:04
Speaker 2: Fifteen hundred council seats were lost by Labor on the
47:08
Speaker 2: weekend in Britain on Thursday.
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Speaker 3: Actually they have their election.
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Speaker 2: They've lost control of the Welsh Parliament. Nigel's Farag's reform
47:16
Speaker 2: gained nearly as many council seats as Labor lost, big
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Speaker 2: wins in Wales and Scotland. Now you tell me how
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Speaker 2: much of the reform model, James Ashby, are you learning
47:27
Speaker 2: from here at One Nation?
47:31
Speaker 14: Well?
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Speaker 15: I think Nigel reached out to Pauline after the weekend
47:34
Speaker 15: congratulated hers, so that was very nice of him.
47:37
Speaker 14: There's clearly some similarities.
47:39
Speaker 15: We have a member of Reform who worked on David
47:42
Speaker 15: Farley's campaign and the South Australian campaign, so we are
47:46
Speaker 15: certainly learning a lot from them, but they're also learning
47:49
Speaker 15: from us because we will go to a federal election
47:53
Speaker 15: before they go to their national election in the UK,
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Speaker 15: so there is a lot to learn from each other.
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Speaker 15: The Senate, Pauline and I will be over in the
48:01
Speaker 15: UK in a few weeks time, and again it's amazing
48:05
Speaker 15: what you learn when you're around like minded people who
48:07
Speaker 15: are running like minded campaigns. So yes, Nigel Farage has
48:12
Speaker 15: a lot to be confident about off the back of
48:14
Speaker 15: these council elections, and I think too, just given the
48:18
Speaker 15: monumental shift in the way voters are swinging their votes over.
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Speaker 14: In the UK.
48:24
Speaker 15: We've seen it also in the US, and I think
48:28
Speaker 15: there's other countries as well which we've seen where non
48:32
Speaker 15: apologetic Conservatives are putting campaigns forward there like One.
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Speaker 14: Nation and they're getting great results.
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Speaker 15: So I'm very confident the direction we're headed, and I
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Speaker 15: think they'll learn a lot from us too.
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Speaker 2: I will wrap it up Bear thank you James. And
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Speaker 2: of course when you're back on the ground in Victoria,
48:47
Speaker 2: i'd like to come out in the road and test
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Speaker 2: some of the campaign techniques with you. When we do that,
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Speaker 2: ahead of course the November state election.
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Speaker 3: That's it for me.
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Speaker 2: See you tomorrow night, Budget Night. But back at the desk tonight,
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Speaker 2: my colleague Andrew Bolt