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From the Vault - Elizabeth Stride - The Ripper's Third Victim · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: Boneur Delicious Friends, It's me again, Katie Charlwood, History Harlotte
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Speaker 1: and reader of books, and welcome to another episode of
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Speaker 1: Who Did Want Now From the Vault. This episode covers
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Stride, the third canonical victim of Jack the Ripper,
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Speaker 1: because the story is yet again in the news because
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Speaker 1: they believe they have discovered the identity of Jack Ripper.
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Speaker 1: It happens every couple of years, like somebody comes up
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Speaker 1: with his massive theory and it's ridiculous and it's usually
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Speaker 1: wrong because they don't take into account the facts. I'm
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Speaker 1: too sick to be arguing about this, to be honest,
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Speaker 1: I'm too sick to do it. And Elizabeth Stride, oh,
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Speaker 1: like her starting life is just so horrid and what
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Speaker 1: she goes through and like for the majority of the
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Speaker 1: I'm on her side. You know, she definitely didn't deserve
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Speaker 1: what happened to her. But anyway, I hope you listen,
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Speaker 1: I hope you care, and I hope you want to
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Speaker 1: hear about the victims. And I'll be back with a
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Speaker 1: new episode next week. Please enjoy. Like with this shit,
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Speaker 1: it had been fucking giggling. Jesus Christ. We last year's
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Speaker 1: and years we had a theme of women who definitely
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Speaker 1: didn't kill their husband's party. It was very thin, fatile,
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Speaker 1: it was fabulous, and there was gowns. There were gowns,
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Speaker 1: darling and crowns, gowns and crowns, because that's just how
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Speaker 1: we live our lives. And I am now planning the
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Speaker 1: takiest takiest outfit and I'm so happy. You have no
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Speaker 1: idea like this is going to be glorious. Oh my
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Speaker 1: and oh godness, I don't even know if I mentioned it.
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Speaker 1: I and a personal note deleted all of the dating apps.
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Speaker 1: I just deleted them. I don't I'm not on anything.
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Speaker 1: I'm not looking. I'm content with where I am right now.
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Speaker 1: It's good. I like it. I like where I'm at.
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Speaker 1: I think I'm in a really good place. Like mentally,
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Speaker 1: I say, I mean the lives of Ship show and
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Speaker 1: everything around me is going mental And oh oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: I sent my book a proposal, my book proposal into
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Speaker 1: like the publishing agent that reached out to me, the
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Speaker 1: first one, And now I've had another publisher reach out
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Speaker 1: to me, and I'm not going to like deal with
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Speaker 1: them until or unless things don't work out with the
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Speaker 1: first one, because I kind of feel like a deck
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Speaker 1: about it, you know. But we'll see how it goes.
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Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes. But I know what you're thinking.
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Speaker 1: You're thinking what you'r jibber jabber in fact me, in
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Speaker 1: fact you. I will. But first we've got to get
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Speaker 1: our source on Elizabeth Stride and Jack the Ripper, The
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Speaker 1: Life and Death of the Repeated Third Victim by David Yost,
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Speaker 1: The Five by Halle Ribinholt, The White Chapel Murders, The
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Speaker 1: Bendigo Advertiser, The White Chapel Murders, Penny Illustrated Paper, The
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Speaker 1: Illustrated Police News, the Police Registers of Public Women. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna apologize for my pronunciation on these next couple ones,
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Speaker 1: U Godburg, Lanzarkivitt, the Corusit Records. I feel like I
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Speaker 1: still come underwater doing that. Emma Grant and Popular go Toborogs,
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Speaker 1: don't Kyerko for something? Oh? And the eighteen thirty five
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Speaker 1: to eighteen sixty Gothenburg censuses why can't I pronounce things properly? Today? Nightwalking,
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Speaker 1: A Nocturnal History of London by Matthew Beaumont. Sex Sin
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Speaker 1: and Suffering venereal Diseases in European Society since eighteen seventy
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Speaker 1: by Leslie A. Hole and Roger Davidson. Mestic Service and
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Speaker 1: the Formation of European Identity by Atland. Full of Schimaux,
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Speaker 1: Syphilis in Marriage by Alfred Fournier, Coming Sexual and Social
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Speaker 1: Politics in Victorian London by Seth Coven. Coffee and Coffee
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Speaker 1: Houses by other heis The Rise and Fall of the
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Speaker 1: Victorian Servant by Pamela Horn. A History of European Women's
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Speaker 1: Work seventeen hundred to the present by Deborah Symington. In
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Speaker 1: the Nation's History by Franklin D. Scott. Policing Public Women
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Speaker 1: The Regulation of Prostitution in Stockholm eighteen twelve to eighteen
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Speaker 1: eighty by Yvonne Spanstrom. Jack the Ripper The Definitive Casebook
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Speaker 1: by Richard Whittington Eigen and Casebook dot Org. Are you
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Speaker 1: saiding comfortably good? Then let's begin. So before we really
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Speaker 1: get into it, we should probably touch base on a
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Speaker 1: few things about Elizabeth Stride. Elizabeth is known as the
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Speaker 1: third canonical victim of Jack the Ripper. I have a
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Speaker 1: difference of opinion on that one, and I will explain
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Speaker 1: why at some point during this ramble. And also in addition, furthermore,
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth definitely falls into the category of what some would
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Speaker 1: seem as the less did. Definitely she would fall into
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Speaker 1: this idea of being a less worthy victim. And the
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Speaker 1: whole purpose of this series, the five canonical victims of
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Speaker 1: Jack the Ripper, is to tell the story of these
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Speaker 1: victims of their lives. And I'm not saying that Elizabeth
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Speaker 1: was necessarily a person. I'm just saying that she is
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Speaker 1: a product of her environment. And did she always take
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Speaker 1: the most righteous path? No, but sometimes that path wasn't
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Speaker 1: really available to her.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, but let's let's just get into it. So
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Speaker 2: this episode is dedicated to Aubrey. And now let me
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Speaker 2: tell you the tale of the life of Elizabeth's Stride,
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Speaker 2: the third canonical victim of Jack the Ripper.
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Speaker 1: So Elizabeth was originally born originally born as no originally
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Speaker 1: from you know, that's fun. I'm keeping it in. I
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Speaker 1: don't care. Elizabeth was born Elizabeth Ghostaff's daughter on the
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Speaker 1: twenty seventh of November eighteen forty three to go stuff
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Speaker 1: Ericsson and Betta, Carl's daughter at the Stora Tumulhead farm
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Speaker 1: in tors landa, Sweden, which is still like relatively close
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Speaker 1: to Gothenburg. Elizabeth is the second child in the family
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Speaker 1: and also a second daughter, so she has a big sister,
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Speaker 1: Anna Christina, who's like three years older than she is.
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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm sure that these farmers in rural
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Speaker 1: torslanda were really happy to have another girl in the
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Speaker 1: house and not is strapping young man who could do
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Speaker 1: the heavy farm stuff. Well, they don't actually have to
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Speaker 1: wait too long because her younger brother, Lars, is born
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Speaker 1: in eighteen forty eight and he's fant in eighteen fifty one,
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Speaker 1: so you know, there were boys coming. It's fine, but
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Speaker 1: this is you know, a farmland and it was actually
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Speaker 1: a period of drought, so like obviously that's not good. However,
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Speaker 1: even though the this is not the best time like agriculturally,
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Speaker 1: you know, this family is actually doing pretty okay, so
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Speaker 1: good stuff. He's he's pretty comfortable as a farmer. They're
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Speaker 1: doing pretty well because they've got like fields of potatoes
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Speaker 1: and flags and grains and all that good cereal stuff.
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Speaker 1: But they've also got cows, chickens, pigs and a horse,
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Speaker 1: so like they're doing fairly well. They also have servants. Now,
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Speaker 1: there was this act passed the Servant Act of eighteen
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Speaker 1: thirty three. And what it did was it made so
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Speaker 1: that anybody who didn't have their own like source of income,
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Speaker 1: like they didn't own land, didn't rent land, they didn't
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Speaker 1: you know, have a full time job, they didn't have
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Speaker 1: a trade, you know, anything like that, that it was
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Speaker 1: compul sorry for them to find a job generally as
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Speaker 1: some kind of servant. So but this was like a
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Speaker 1: two way street. So I meant that nobody could like
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Speaker 1: overcharge for their labor, but also that they would have
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Speaker 1: to be treated a certain way and they would have
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Speaker 1: to act a certain way. So you couldn't like refuse
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Speaker 1: like a reasonable request by your employer, So you couldn't
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Speaker 1: decide to just doss off on something. But they had
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Speaker 1: to pay you a decent wage. You would be dutiful
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Speaker 1: and fulfill your obligations and you know, be obedient. But
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Speaker 1: it also meant that you had to be looked after
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Speaker 1: and cared for as a servant. So if you were
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Speaker 1: sick or ill, it was your employer's responsibility to ensure
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Speaker 1: that you were like well cared for, that you have
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Speaker 1: the necessary like medical supplies, and you were looked after.
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Speaker 1: They had to nurse you back to health effectively. And
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Speaker 1: they also had to take care of you spiritual well being,
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Speaker 1: so your employer had to be the person guiding you,
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Speaker 1: you know, religiously. Yeah, and and the other thing that's
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Speaker 1: funny about the social class in Sweden is domestic service
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Speaker 1: wasn't generally seen as like a lifetime goal. That wasn't
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Speaker 1: going to be your long term job. It was to
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Speaker 1: be like a short term job before you got married,
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Speaker 1: like and so like most families actually had servants. So
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Speaker 1: like Gustaf and Coole, they had servants, and you know,
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Speaker 1: the children when they grew up, they would go and
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Speaker 1: do some domestic servitude of some kind, and then they
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Speaker 1: would get married and they would have homes of their own. Like.
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Speaker 1: One of the reasons why women were supposed to go
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Speaker 1: into domestic service was so that they would learn how
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Speaker 1: to run a household as if they didn't grow up
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Speaker 1: in one, you know what I mean. And the thing
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Speaker 1: was it became a concept of kind of keeping up
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Speaker 1: with the joneses. So some women in order to have
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Speaker 1: that you know, societal sort of peerage whatever they want,
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Speaker 1: or hierarchy I should say, which is not kind of
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Speaker 1: the same. It's very it's very funny because like everybody
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Speaker 1: had servants, so some people would have more servants even
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Speaker 1: if there wasn't enough jobs for those servants to do,
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Speaker 1: you know, just to say that they had servants to
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Speaker 1: just show off. So yeah, in this farm there was
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Speaker 1: servants and maids and farm hands all that good stuff.
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Speaker 1: And again the way that the class system, it's not
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Speaker 1: like a cast. You know, there's a lot of social
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Speaker 1: mobility in this so like maids would share beds with
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Speaker 1: like the daughters of the house. Like it was a
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Speaker 1: communal living situation. You would be eating dinner at the
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Speaker 1: same table as your employer, you would be doing your
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Speaker 1: prayers with your employer. Like and then I think her
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Speaker 1: family was Lutheran. They were Lutheran, so Elizabeth would have
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Speaker 1: had a Lutheran upbringing. So she grew up with servants
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Speaker 1: in the house, and she learned the basics of being
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Speaker 1: a farm girl really and all the kind of things
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Speaker 1: you would learn, you know, churning butter and all that
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Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and you know, all that kind of
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Speaker 1: stuff inside the house, how to clean floors and other
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Speaker 1: such things. Cooking, of course, cooking is part of it. Cleaning, cooking,
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Speaker 1: domestic labor, you know, so she would have had a
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Speaker 1: very basic education, so like parishes would have schools and
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Speaker 1: the boys would have got like more of an education
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Speaker 1: than she did. So she could read as far as
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Speaker 1: I know, but she couldn't write. But she wasn't I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna say she wasn't stupid, right, she was smart. And
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Speaker 1: because she came from like a good Lutheran family, you know,
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Speaker 1: she was expected to have a better knowledge of like
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Speaker 1: the Bible and stuff, so she was supposed to be
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Speaker 1: well versed on that. But yeah, Elizabeth ghost OF's daughter,
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Speaker 1: she has her confirmation at fifteen, and at this point,
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Speaker 1: her older sister, Anna Christina has already been you know,
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Speaker 1: out doing her servitude for like two years at this point,
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Speaker 1: I think. And Anna Christina is quite lucky in a
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Speaker 1: way because this happened more regularly than you'd think. So
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Speaker 1: the employer that she she worked for they ended up
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Speaker 1: getting married, so she was actually really really lucky in
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Speaker 1: that sense. But because Anna Christina was already out there
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Speaker 1: and already in Gothenburg, it was much easier to find
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Speaker 1: employment for Elizabeth, especially because Anna Christina was doing so
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Speaker 1: well and because she was a respectable young woman in
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Speaker 1: that day and age, so the fact that she was
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Speaker 1: doing so well, you know, and because Anna Christina was
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Speaker 1: such an upstanding citizen, you know, Elizabeth would be seen
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Speaker 1: the same by extension. And so Elizabeth, who's like a
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Speaker 1: month away from her sixteenth birthday, she heads to Gothenburg
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Speaker 1: for her work as you know, domestic servant as a maid.
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Speaker 1: And you know, she's desirable as a servant because she
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Speaker 1: is from, you know, a rural area. So although there
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Speaker 1: was like not really like a distinct class system in Gothenburg,
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Speaker 1: there still was a preference. They wanted, you know, the
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Speaker 1: farm girls. They wanted the women who had not grown
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Speaker 1: up in the city because growing up in the city
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Speaker 1: it makes you aware of the darkness and the debauchery
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Speaker 1: that's sort of kicking around. But these rural girls, these
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Speaker 1: farm girls, they were seen as you know, naive or innocent,
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Speaker 1: depending on how you want to flip that coin. So
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth has left Trosslanda and moves to the Carl Johan
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Speaker 1: parish in Gothenburg and into the home of Lars Frederick Olsen.
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Speaker 1: Now Olsen isn't like very rich, but again this is
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Speaker 1: all part of the servants Act. And he and his
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Speaker 1: wife Johanna, they have two servants, so you've got Elizabeth
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Speaker 1: and then Lena Carlson. And I don't know how much
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Speaker 1: work there was for the two of them to do
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Speaker 1: along with like the mistress of the house. So I
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Speaker 1: don't know. But again it's more of a pride thing
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Speaker 1: than anything else. But you know, the girls couldn't really
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Speaker 1: go out and do anything without you know, the master
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Speaker 1: and mistress's permission, so they wouldn't be going out to
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Speaker 1: the beer house, and they wouldn't be going out to
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Speaker 1: meet or find I suppose a power more of any
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Speaker 1: you know situation. And because of this, the majority of
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Speaker 1: the company that Elizabeth would keep is basically whoever's in
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Speaker 1: that bloody house, So the men, the women, whoever is
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Speaker 1: frequent flyers, and the Olson household, that's the people she's
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Speaker 1: hanging out with. Now, clearly some kind of fraternization happened
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Speaker 1: in that household. And here's the thing. It's not uncommon
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Speaker 1: for you know, relationships to occur, you know, in those
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Speaker 1: kind of close environments. However, there's definitely a power dynamic here.
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Speaker 1: Even though he's just like the wealthy, lower middle class.
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Speaker 1: She's a farm girl, you know what I mean, She's
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Speaker 1: a servant, and regardless of how it works a master
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Speaker 1: and a servant, there's always going to be a bloody
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Speaker 1: power dynamok there and Elizabeth, well, something happens in that
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Speaker 1: house because you know, contracts usually last like a good
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Speaker 1: number of years, because the whole point is for these
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Speaker 1: women to like get a grasp on household Judy's and
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Speaker 1: to like eirn a dowry to like make their money. Now,
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Speaker 1: it's supposed to last for a decent amount of time.
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Speaker 1: But this employment is dissolved like just under two years,
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Speaker 1: like a year and a half. So October eighteen sixty
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Speaker 1: two is when the employment starts, and then it dissolves
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Speaker 1: in February of eighteen sixty four. That's just over a year.
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Speaker 1: And so she moves to a different address, which is
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Speaker 1: like just up the road, be bit. Actually it's just
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Speaker 1: like around the corner. And she's still listed as a
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Speaker 1: domestic servant, but she's not listed as a servant to whom.
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Speaker 1: So I'm thinking logically about this, it seems to me
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Speaker 1: that seeing as she was in an abode and was
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Speaker 1: not willingly forthcoming with the name of an employer, it
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Speaker 1: seems to me that she was maybe a little bit
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Speaker 1: of a kept woman. Maybe she had been promised something.
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Speaker 1: Maybe this person was making good on their promises, and
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Speaker 1: maybe they were going to have to stop that soon.
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Speaker 1: Because by March the following year, Elizabeth is very clearly pregnant.
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Speaker 1: She's like six months a long. So wherever she went to,
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Speaker 1: somebody was, you know, having some fun up there. And
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Speaker 1: this is a takes two to tango. We don't know
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Speaker 1: if she was forced into a situation or whether this
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Speaker 1: was I'm going to call it grimming, you know, whether
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Speaker 1: it was grimming or by force and then had no
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Speaker 1: other option, or was I don't want to see a
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Speaker 1: willing participant, because again, the power dynamic, it doesn't it
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Speaker 1: doesn't feel comfortable because at what point does she really
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Speaker 1: have agency? Because clearly she has been left out in
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Speaker 1: the cold in this one, and not just because it's
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Speaker 1: March in Sweden, but she's clearly pregnant and she becomes
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Speaker 1: of notice to the authorities. Now you're thinking, why would
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Speaker 1: they care if a woman was pregnant, Well, here's the thing.
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Speaker 1: In Sweden, it was basically illegal to have a child
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Speaker 1: outside of wedlock, and if you were seen to be
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Speaker 1: less than virtuous, well then the police would be looking
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Speaker 1: for you. So they had this register of public women
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Speaker 1: right in Sweden. Well there's two lists actually, people who
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Speaker 1: were suspected and then people who where yeah official and
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Speaker 1: basically how I put it, it's like a horror list.
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Speaker 1: It's like a list of prostitution. And if you had
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Speaker 1: a child outside wedlock, you're basically seeing the same a
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Speaker 1: woman selling her body. Right now, I'm going to call
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Speaker 1: this prostitution because I don't see agency in this, Like
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Speaker 1: it's not like modern you know, someone chooses to be
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Speaker 1: a sex worker. This there is a lack of agency here.
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Speaker 1: This is a forced situation where women have no other option.
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Speaker 1: So Elizabeth, she is perceived as being, you know, a
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Speaker 1: fallen woman, and as such she's basically pushed into the scenario.
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Speaker 1: So she has to go on this list, this official register,
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Speaker 1: and she becomes allman Kvina ninety seven. Part of my
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to go like touch with it, but
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Speaker 1: with that weird Swedish voice I do whenever I speak,
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Speaker 1: touch and just be like setting neck and it. And
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Speaker 1: you would have been like, yeah, that's totally totally Swedish.
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Speaker 1: She followed me. There, no, no, I don't know Swedish numbers. Ah,
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Speaker 1: my brother speak Swedish. I probably should have asked him.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, because yeah, up until eighteen sixty four, like
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Speaker 1: having affairs, committing adultery, and having illegitimate children was illegal.
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Speaker 1: But the weirdest thing is, like, you know, this has
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Speaker 1: gone now, but it's still perceived as as bad as dodgy,
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Speaker 1: as shitty, except the only person it seems to punish
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Speaker 1: is the women. Kilsy prise. So this police register, you know,
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Speaker 1: the two lists of the suspected and the actual lecherous
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Speaker 1: living women ooh full of debauchery and and say and
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Speaker 1: all those other d words, and like she gets taken
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Speaker 1: and gets put on this register. And people who are suspected,
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Speaker 1: they're taken in through the back of this like police station,
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Speaker 1: and they get inspected, they get a strip naked, and
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Speaker 1: the whole point of it is to shame and to
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Speaker 1: ridicule and upset, you know, the same thing we saw
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Speaker 1: with Pollie in the workhouse. Originally it's all to do
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Speaker 1: with placing the burden of the blame solely on the women,
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Speaker 1: as if it's their fault. And see this is where
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Speaker 1: the Contagious Disease Act comes in. So there are these
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Speaker 1: laws that, you know, allow this to happen because they're
22:45
Speaker 1: trying to like quell the spread of syphilis. Because of
22:48
Speaker 1: course it's the women's fault that the syphilis is spreading,
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Speaker 1: not the men who are wetting their whistle. No, no,
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Speaker 1: the women's fault for doing it. So Elizabeth goes then
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Speaker 1: she gets inspected and as it turns out, she has syphilis. Now,
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Speaker 1: syphilis is a weird disease, so it kind of has
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Speaker 1: long term effects if not treated, and it's not treated
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Speaker 1: the same way now as it was then. Back then,
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Speaker 1: it was treated with like mercury, and they would do
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Speaker 1: sort of mercury infusions into your body. They would do
23:24
Speaker 1: like how do I put it? Like, they would diffuse it.
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Speaker 1: They would like have like a mercury steam. Now, because
23:31
Speaker 1: Elizabeth was pregnant, they couldn't do that. They wouldn't use
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Speaker 1: mercury on her, which is one thing. But what they
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Speaker 1: did use on her was acid. They used acid to
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Speaker 1: like cut off you know, wortz and whatnot. And uh,
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Speaker 1: trigger warning, I'm going to talk about child loss. To
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Speaker 1: skip forward about a minute. Okay, So what happens is
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Speaker 1: is she's in there for a month and she ends
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Speaker 1: up as a result of this treatment, prematurely given birth,
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Speaker 1: and there is a stillborn baby girl as a result
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Speaker 1: of this treatment. Now the child could have contracted syphilis
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Speaker 1: well being insider, but again we won't know that because
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Speaker 1: you know, this procedure caused an early death. Now that's
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Speaker 1: going to be an incredibly horrific experience for this young
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Speaker 1: woman to go through, and to go through it alone,
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Speaker 1: and to have again this horrific shame and blame on
24:52
Speaker 1: her as if it's all her fault, and she's in
24:58
Speaker 1: the curucus it and she is labeled as a fallen women,
25:06
Speaker 1: the villain, the viccin and basically she can't get a
25:11
Speaker 1: job because she's on this fucking register. And as a
25:16
Speaker 1: result of this, she ends up having to go into
25:21
Speaker 1: the very line of work they accused her of initially,
25:24
Speaker 1: right because clearly whoever the man was who was supporting
25:29
Speaker 1: her initially, the moment she got picked, he just fucking
25:37
Speaker 1: scadadled like I don't know what he did, but he
25:39
Speaker 1: didn't do the right thing, It's what I'm saying. And
25:44
Speaker 1: she ends up moving to what is commonly referred to
25:47
Speaker 1: as Nymph Street. So it's basically just like Knot, the
25:52
Speaker 1: red Light district. It's just an area of women selling
25:57
Speaker 1: themselves to the Johns, you know, because they have to
26:01
Speaker 1: fucking survive because there's literally no other option available to
26:07
Speaker 1: these women because they're on the bloody register. Anyway, at
26:14
Speaker 1: some point after this, she gets treated for a venereal
26:18
Speaker 1: ulcer and she goes back into the coal hooset and
26:22
Speaker 1: when she's there this time, so she had gone out
26:25
Speaker 1: at May and come back in October, but then of
26:29
Speaker 1: November that year, she is seen by this lovely Lutheran lady,
26:35
Speaker 1: Maria Ingrid Weisner, so like her husband is like a
26:39
Speaker 1: German composer, I think. Anyway, there was this sort of
26:44
Speaker 1: trend that happened of sort of these lower slightly lower class,
26:48
Speaker 1: sort of religious women who saw these fallen women as
26:53
Speaker 1: they were as came like a charity case like rehabilitation,
26:57
Speaker 1: you know, they would provide them with you know, spiritual
27:01
Speaker 1: counseling and give them an opportunity to get out of
27:05
Speaker 1: this hole. So Elizabeth gets her healthy tick ding ding
27:10
Speaker 1: ding all she goes and they're like she's cured. She's not,
27:15
Speaker 1: by the way, because syphilis comes and goes and it's
27:18
Speaker 1: dormant and it's a whole she mortgage board of just horrific,
27:23
Speaker 1: horrific things. But anyway, the symptoms are cured, shall we say, okay?
27:33
Speaker 1: So she goes to work as a domestic for Maria
27:36
Speaker 1: Wisner and she gets an offer of work of a
27:43
Speaker 1: home and someone willing to give her like a helping hand,
27:49
Speaker 1: an opportunity, and Elizabeth grabs it with both you know,
27:52
Speaker 1: she's like, yes, please, thank you. Because there's only two
27:57
Speaker 1: ways to remove yourself from the police register, and that
28:00
Speaker 1: is to have a you know, a decent member of
28:03
Speaker 1: society state that you've been like clean living and being
28:08
Speaker 1: a generally good old person, and the other one was
28:11
Speaker 1: to get married. Clearly, whoever put her in that position
28:15
Speaker 1: didn't help her out. That's neither here nor there. So
28:20
Speaker 1: off she goes, and she goes to work for the
28:23
Speaker 1: Wisner's and Maria writes a letter in order to get
28:28
Speaker 1: Elizabeth's name struck from like the register of shame. So
28:33
Speaker 1: now she's off the register and she can start living
28:38
Speaker 1: her life a wee bit. And what's been happening in
28:41
Speaker 1: Gothenburg is this time it has become like a pretty
28:44
Speaker 1: big trading city. So there would be people like they
28:48
Speaker 1: were called like little Londoners or something like that. So
28:50
Speaker 1: you would have all these different nationalities coming in and
28:54
Speaker 1: out of Gothenburg and the opportunity for work and travel.
28:59
Speaker 1: You know, it was more common than you'd think at
29:01
Speaker 1: this time. And so Elizabeth, because she'd been there with
29:05
Speaker 1: the Wisner, she wasn't there too long, but because of
29:10
Speaker 1: the reputation that she'd gained, she was still being watched
29:13
Speaker 1: by the police, like they were still keeping an eye
29:15
Speaker 1: on her, because having your name struck from the register
29:18
Speaker 1: just wasn't enough for them. They wanted to catch you
29:21
Speaker 1: again because of their own twisted morality. But because she
29:26
Speaker 1: had to resort to prostitution down on the Nymph Street,
29:31
Speaker 1: there was every possibility that she would be recognized and
29:35
Speaker 1: her reputation would again be thrown into question, and the
29:38
Speaker 1: shit would have the fan for her. So she's only
29:41
Speaker 1: with the Wisner's a little while when somehow she receives
29:46
Speaker 1: a windfall, so she gets some money, and she says
29:49
Speaker 1: it's an inheritance from her mother's death, when her mom
29:51
Speaker 1: and died like a couple of years earlier, so doesn't
29:55
Speaker 1: really seem likely. And also we issue is that you know,
30:01
Speaker 1: women on her twenty five in Sweden, weren't allowed to
30:03
Speaker 1: inherit shit so kind of an issue. I don't think
30:07
Speaker 1: that happened so clearly this money came from somewhere. Could
30:10
Speaker 1: it possibly be from someone who felt really fucking guilty
30:14
Speaker 1: but everything they did to her, perhaps we don't know that.
30:19
Speaker 1: That's just a guess, an educated guess, but a guess. Nonetheless,
30:24
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to rhyme, but there we go. So luckily, fortuitously,
30:30
Speaker 1: in a crazy random happenstance, an opportunity befalls Elizabeth, an
30:37
Speaker 1: opportunity to travel to England to get out of Sweden,
30:44
Speaker 1: and Elizabeth looks around at her life and goes, fuck
30:47
Speaker 1: this for a game of soldiers and gets on a
30:50
Speaker 1: ship and heads to London. So when Elizabeth lands in
30:55
Speaker 1: London in the winter of eighteen sixty six, she is
31:00
Speaker 1: working in this townhouse in Hyde Park or near Hyde
31:06
Speaker 1: Park right. Who she was working for, We're not sure,
31:11
Speaker 1: but they were fucking rich. They definitely were loaded. They
31:14
Speaker 1: had money, money, money, because you don't live near or
31:19
Speaker 1: on Hyde Park, not on Hyde Park. Who lives on
31:22
Speaker 1: hyde Park Park from the fucking Pigeons, But you don't
31:25
Speaker 1: live near Hyde Park without having decent dough. So she's there,
31:29
Speaker 1: she's working there, and as she's doing her daily errands,
31:34
Speaker 1: you know, she saunters into a coffee house where we nibble.
31:38
Speaker 1: And who does she meet somehow someway pick. John Stride
31:44
Speaker 1: a carpenter by trade and is like mid forties and
31:49
Speaker 1: he's like one of nine kids, which is I mean,
31:54
Speaker 1: sometimes being one of nine is not too bad. I
31:58
Speaker 1: can allow it. And he was for a while looking
32:05
Speaker 1: after his elderly father who had made a business in
32:08
Speaker 1: a decent living. But for a bunch of reasons he
32:11
Speaker 1: offered Cadarro's and ends up in London, you know, to
32:14
Speaker 1: make his own way to be a decent carpenter. And
32:16
Speaker 1: he is being said, John was not Elizabeth's only admirer.
32:22
Speaker 1: So when she was working in Hyde Park as you know,
32:26
Speaker 1: just a wee housemaid, she was courting a police officer.
32:32
Speaker 1: Don't remember if they were City of London or the
32:35
Speaker 1: Metropolitan Police, because I feel like there's maybe the met
32:38
Speaker 1: News Old I feel like there's two. There's definitely two
32:40
Speaker 1: different police forces at work here, but yeah, one of
32:44
Speaker 1: them there was a dude. He was a policeman and
32:46
Speaker 1: he was courting her. But because domestic servant, housemaid. The
32:52
Speaker 1: hours are long and unsociable. So yeah, and like another
32:56
Speaker 1: thing that would have been difficult for Elizabeth, who I
33:00
Speaker 1: forgot to mention was apparently just stunning. She was like
33:03
Speaker 1: five two and had like dark curly hair. She was
33:07
Speaker 1: meant to be just gorgeous. But yeah, Elizabeth, hours were long.
33:12
Speaker 1: And also, like as I said, like in Sweden, the
33:16
Speaker 1: social hierarchy isn't really as severe as it was and
33:21
Speaker 1: or as in England or the UK, or however you
33:24
Speaker 1: want to put it. Now, you know, everybody had made
33:29
Speaker 1: in Sweden, like everybody had servant and it was kind
33:31
Speaker 1: of the norm. Everybody just did it. But here in
33:35
Speaker 1: the fancy townhouse in Hyde Park, there would have been
33:38
Speaker 1: a hierarchy. There probably would have been like a butler,
33:41
Speaker 1: a housekeeper, a violet governance of some kind. There would
33:45
Speaker 1: have been like anything like loads of of these. It's
33:48
Speaker 1: a hierarchy. It's a fucking paramedic people. But yeah, it
33:52
Speaker 1: would have been a very different way of being. She
33:55
Speaker 1: wouldn't like spend the same sort of time with her employer.
34:00
Speaker 1: The wouldn't be the same level of fratonization that there
34:02
Speaker 1: was with you know, the people in Sweden, which I
34:06
Speaker 1: guess is kind of a good thing for her. But
34:09
Speaker 1: there is a rumor of like some kind of scandal happening.
34:12
Speaker 1: We just don't have any information, but just a whisper
34:16
Speaker 1: of a scandal that forced her to leave that employment.
34:19
Speaker 1: And I think this was either late eighteen sixty eight
34:22
Speaker 1: or early eighteen sixty nine. But whatever happened, she had
34:26
Speaker 1: managed to leave with a reference, which is great, and
34:29
Speaker 1: she ended up securing employment. And she ends up working
34:32
Speaker 1: for Elizabeth Bond, who's a widow, and she owns this
34:38
Speaker 1: It's a fancy boarding house, right, it's for the gentil
34:41
Speaker 1: luclientell so like decent lodgers, you know, not scumming lodgers,
34:46
Speaker 1: like well, well groomed and mannerly respectable with just enough money,
34:52
Speaker 1: you know, that sort of way. And then in eighteen
34:56
Speaker 1: sixty nine, Elizabeth mars John stre And what's like funny
35:02
Speaker 1: for this is she's Lutheran, he's Methodist. But but instead
35:06
Speaker 1: of picking like one over the other, they just get
35:08
Speaker 1: married in like the local parish, just like that'll do
35:12
Speaker 1: that church will do fine. Thanks brilliant, Elizabeth, as you said, gorgeous.
35:18
Speaker 1: And she's twenty five at this point, John Stride. We
35:22
Speaker 1: literally don't have any definitive description of the man, but
35:26
Speaker 1: he's in his mid forties, so he's either aged really
35:29
Speaker 1: well or Elizabeth is looking for comfort in an older man. Again,
35:36
Speaker 1: not here to judge, but yes. On the seventh of
35:39
Speaker 1: March eighteen sixty nine, Elizabeth, Gustav's daughter becomes missus Elizabeth
35:45
Speaker 1: Stride and for whatever reason, I mean we all know
35:49
Speaker 1: the reason, but Elizabeth she's keeping her past hidden. Like
35:52
Speaker 1: she actually puts down a fake name for her dad
35:54
Speaker 1: when she gets someone else to write it down, because
35:56
Speaker 1: I was like, she can't write, and she calls him
35:59
Speaker 1: Augustus Gustafson, Like she could have told them any name
36:02
Speaker 1: and they would have been like, yep, that sounds right.
36:08
Speaker 1: She just made it up. So after they get married,
36:11
Speaker 1: they move out into the East End, over to Poplar
36:14
Speaker 1: because John is going to open his own coffee house,
36:18
Speaker 1: but he's also near enough to the docks as well,
36:20
Speaker 1: so because he's a carpenter, it's like he can fall
36:22
Speaker 1: back on that work and that's great. So John and Elizabeth,
36:29
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're hoping that they're going to grab
36:30
Speaker 1: people in this coffee house because John's teetotal and so
36:35
Speaker 1: he thinks this is going to be like an easy
36:37
Speaker 1: and easy like jump. Honestly, they're just ahead of their
36:41
Speaker 1: time at this point because selling a delicious caffeinated brew
36:47
Speaker 1: in an area with high footfall, that's just smart, Like,
36:50
Speaker 1: that's a real good idea. Unfortunately that the people of
36:55
Speaker 1: the time, they are more interested in beer and gin
37:01
Speaker 1: than they are in coffee. Yeah, coffee houses. They kind
37:06
Speaker 1: of had a tough fight with the pubs. Really, you know,
37:09
Speaker 1: that's that's some stiff competition, which the Strides were soon
37:14
Speaker 1: to learn very very quickly. So by eighteen seventy one,
37:19
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Most new businesses fail within the first
37:21
Speaker 1: two years. That's just a fun fact for you. And
37:24
Speaker 1: this is no exception. So they had to move their
37:28
Speaker 1: business because there just wasn't enough people who didn't want
37:33
Speaker 1: to go drink boos. And also it's the Victorian era.
37:36
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised people wanted to get drunk, like, I mean,
37:40
Speaker 1: have you heard about Chimney sweep scroll them. I'm just saying.
37:43
Speaker 1: So they moved their business, you know, up to the
37:46
Speaker 1: Poplar High Street try and get like more fitful, more trade.
37:49
Speaker 1: And this business wasn't doing too well either, So they
37:55
Speaker 1: were kind of relying on an inheritance. Actually, because John's
38:00
Speaker 1: stride's dad, William, he had properties, he had built up
38:04
Speaker 1: like decent money, and for most of John's life he
38:08
Speaker 1: had gone and supported his dad. He'd stayed home, he'd
38:13
Speaker 1: done everything, and apart from his brother Daniel, who seems
38:18
Speaker 1: to have had some issues resulting in a whole thing
38:22
Speaker 1: where like Daniel stole some money and John refused to
38:26
Speaker 1: prosecute him and eventually he just leaves. John just goes
38:31
Speaker 1: to London. Now, so when his dad William dies, everyone's expecting,
38:35
Speaker 1: you know, a piece of the pie. Now. Daniel inherits
38:39
Speaker 1: like a fuck ton of shitty earns property and everything
38:42
Speaker 1: else and money. His sister Sarah Anne, who lived just
38:46
Speaker 1: like three or four doors down, she inherits some property.
38:52
Speaker 1: John's like pretty rich brother who's a fucking surgeon as
38:57
Speaker 1: far as I remember, Edward Edward, Yeah, he gets fucking
39:05
Speaker 1: property and everything, and John gets sweet fuck all nothing,
39:15
Speaker 1: not a smidge, not a whisper, not a consideration. There
39:23
Speaker 1: is no reference or acknowledgment to John in the will whatsoever.
39:29
Speaker 1: And I mean that is, William, you are a petty bitch,
39:34
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Like, oh, and you say that
39:38
Speaker 1: women are like the vicious one. Clearly this dude spiteful, vindictive,
39:47
Speaker 1: just a dick, actually, just fucking awful. So yeah, John
39:54
Speaker 1: and Elizabeth they had to sell this to their coffee house,
39:59
Speaker 1: and John to fall back on his you know, his
40:01
Speaker 1: original career as a carpenter. But again he's in his forties, like,
40:06
Speaker 1: he's not a young man, and this is physical work,
40:11
Speaker 1: Like it's not easy, but he has to do and
40:15
Speaker 1: he's going to do everything he can to try and
40:18
Speaker 1: you know, keep them safe and secure. And it's eighteen
40:21
Speaker 1: seventy four and he's working there, surviving and during all
40:29
Speaker 1: this time, you may notice I have not mentioned pregnancies
40:33
Speaker 1: or babies during you know, a period where this would
40:37
Speaker 1: have been likely to happen. It's Victorian London, Like they
40:42
Speaker 1: would have been shagged. But chances are that because of
40:48
Speaker 1: you know, contracting cephalis when she did, it's highly likely
40:52
Speaker 1: that Elizabeth was well and fertile, that she the very
40:58
Speaker 1: least couldn't you know, carry a pregnancy to term. But
41:02
Speaker 1: no children were had at all during this time, so
41:06
Speaker 1: we don't really have too much information or any real
41:10
Speaker 1: information over the next couple of years. But in eighteen
41:13
Speaker 1: seventy seven, Liz and John have separated. Liz she hasn't
41:21
Speaker 1: gone into a workhouse yet or anything like that. She's
41:24
Speaker 1: decided to take her chances on the street. So she
41:28
Speaker 1: gets arrested a couple times for like vagrancy, drunk and disorderly,
41:32
Speaker 1: you know. And she used to live with a teetotal man,
41:35
Speaker 1: so clearly she's out self medicating here. So because she
41:40
Speaker 1: has been rough in it, she's been sleeping out in
41:42
Speaker 1: the streets, Elizabeth gets forced into the popular workhouse, like
41:48
Speaker 1: she has to go now. She does return to John
41:53
Speaker 1: at some point during that and they try to make
41:54
Speaker 1: it work again. So the following year, this accident happens.
42:02
Speaker 1: It's the probably one of the biggest tragedies in London
42:07
Speaker 1: in the last one hundred years, probably ish and it's
42:13
Speaker 1: the Princess Alice disaster. Now this is but like a
42:17
Speaker 1: boating day. It's a day out for the members of
42:19
Speaker 1: this German church, right, So it's mainly women and children
42:24
Speaker 1: that are on this boat. And what happens is this
42:27
Speaker 1: boat sinks and a fuck ton of people die, and
42:35
Speaker 1: Elizabeth she's thinking, I can use this to my advantage.
42:39
Speaker 1: And she starts telling people that, you know, she was
42:43
Speaker 1: there with her you know, seven eight kids, nine kids,
42:47
Speaker 1: too many kids, right, and some of them died, her
42:51
Speaker 1: husband died and they were in the kids were in
42:55
Speaker 1: an orphanage, and she got kicked in the face, and
42:59
Speaker 1: that's why her teeth damaged. And that's why she has
43:02
Speaker 1: no palate in her mouth, which is a sign of
43:08
Speaker 1: long term syphilis. For the record, and I've spent a
43:11
Speaker 1: lot of time studying venereal diseases. Don't ask why, just
43:14
Speaker 1: accept it. And she's not gone the official register of
43:20
Speaker 1: people that applied for this grant that you could get
43:24
Speaker 1: this relief fund. But she seems to be telling this
43:31
Speaker 1: story to like anyone and everyone who listened to her effectively.
43:36
Speaker 1: So Elizabeth, she is heard about this. She speaks English
43:42
Speaker 1: so well that you'd think she was English. But she
43:45
Speaker 1: could probably convince people that she was German, because like
43:51
Speaker 1: most English people probably wouldn't have recognized the different forms
43:54
Speaker 1: of accents at the time. Yeah, it's foreign, and she
43:58
Speaker 1: would have said I'm German, I'm from like a certain
43:59
Speaker 1: par Germany. They would have been like, yes, that is correct,
44:04
Speaker 1: so yes, and she would tell the story when she
44:09
Speaker 1: was separated from John, especially because she was like, my
44:13
Speaker 1: husband's dead. Please give me money. My husband is dead
44:17
Speaker 1: and it's very sad. Money please, So yeah, she would
44:22
Speaker 1: use that and it would also be really convenient for
44:24
Speaker 1: her when the time she was separated from John, you know,
44:30
Speaker 1: but they reconcile here and there, and then in eighteen
44:35
Speaker 1: eighty she actually contacts us with these church and asks
44:39
Speaker 1: for really fund because John is sick, and she enters
44:44
Speaker 1: into the Stepney Union Workhouse in February, and then in
44:52
Speaker 1: April that year she ends up in the Hackney Union
44:55
Speaker 1: Workhouse and yeah, she's got I had a bit. She's
45:00
Speaker 1: referred to as destitute, so clearly things are not great
45:05
Speaker 1: for her. In Somewhere along the lines, she gets the
45:10
Speaker 1: nickname long Liz, something to do with her long face
45:17
Speaker 1: or maybe her hair or another one I heard was
45:21
Speaker 1: it was because stride means like a long step, and
45:25
Speaker 1: it was just like a play on that because I
45:28
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, it's at least imaginative. It's got
45:31
Speaker 1: a tiny bit of thought in there. We should but
45:33
Speaker 1: long list. She gets called long List, and by eighteen
45:38
Speaker 1: eighty one she gets admitted to the Whitechapel Workhouse infirmary
45:44
Speaker 1: because she's got bronchitis, so she's there, she's being treated
45:50
Speaker 1: in like it's like December of that year, and then
45:54
Speaker 1: by January of eighteen eighty two she gets moved out
45:59
Speaker 1: of the infirmary and into the workhouse. So the broncoutis
46:02
Speaker 1: is like they're like, it's under control. You can go
46:04
Speaker 1: into the workhouse now and you can work, and you know,
46:07
Speaker 1: in your cape. And I think John's also in an
46:14
Speaker 1: infirmary in a workhouse at this point. But their marriage
46:18
Speaker 1: completely breaks down, and then Elizabeth sort of in and
46:23
Speaker 1: out here and there come seek THEMSA. She lives in
46:28
Speaker 1: at thirty two Flower in Dean Street, which is I'm
46:33
Speaker 1: gonna say dodgy to say the least. And in eighteen
46:37
Speaker 1: eighty four, Liz Elizabeth she gets some financial assistance from
46:43
Speaker 1: the Swedish Church and later that year John's stride passes
46:47
Speaker 1: away in the Popular Asylum from heart failure, like he'd
46:54
Speaker 1: gone from the workhouse into the asylum because he was
46:58
Speaker 1: dying effectively. But Elizabeth, she was in Floren Dean Street,
47:03
Speaker 1: which is again dodgy as fuck, and she's listed as
47:09
Speaker 1: a charwoman, which is just again I've discussed this before.
47:13
Speaker 1: It's like the lowest form of domestic servitude. It's just
47:16
Speaker 1: the really heavy work, like it's not it's not good
47:20
Speaker 1: for anybody. And at some point during this time as well,
47:26
Speaker 1: she bumps into this woman, Mary Malcolm, who's like a
47:29
Speaker 1: Taylor Taylor rest, Yeah, who thinks Elizabeth is her sister,
47:38
Speaker 1: also named Elizabeth. And it's kind of weird because it's
47:43
Speaker 1: more like wishful thinking on Mary's part because she knew
47:47
Speaker 1: her sister like struggled, she'd been you know, committed in
47:49
Speaker 1: a bunch of other stuff. It appened a terrible divorce,
47:52
Speaker 1: all this jazz, and so when she sees long legs,
47:57
Speaker 1: she's like, that's my sister. And between eighteen three and
48:00
Speaker 1: eighteen eighty eight, like these twomen would meet kind of
48:04
Speaker 1: in secret, and Mary would give Elizabeth money just I
48:09
Speaker 1: think it of guilt or some kind of need for
48:15
Speaker 1: compassion and care. Like every Saturday, I think at four
48:19
Speaker 1: o'clock she would give her two shillings, which is you know,
48:24
Speaker 1: a lot back then. But Mary also gave her like
48:27
Speaker 1: clothes and stuff, and at one point, really weird Elizabeth
48:32
Speaker 1: had shown up with a baby, and she got married
48:35
Speaker 1: to the after it for a spell, saying it was
48:37
Speaker 1: like her son. And then after taking the boy back,
48:40
Speaker 1: she was like, oh, no, the baby had died when
48:44
Speaker 1: it was probably just borrowed from someone to help like
48:47
Speaker 1: beg because that was quite a common thing though, you
48:49
Speaker 1: would borrow a baby to try and get people to
48:53
Speaker 1: give you more money when you were oute begging, you know,
48:55
Speaker 1: panhandling and whatnot. Now back to eighteen eighty four, when
49:00
Speaker 1: John dies in the Stepney Sick Asylum right in Whitechapel,
49:04
Speaker 1: he this really affects Elizabeth. She fucking spirals like a
49:09
Speaker 1: couple of weeks after the fact, she gets arrested on
49:16
Speaker 1: commercial road for soliciting and also drunken disorderly behavior. And
49:23
Speaker 1: so she's arrested and she gets sentenced with seven days
49:28
Speaker 1: hard labor. And after this point there's no like official
49:32
Speaker 1: record of Elizabeth like prostituting herself. Again, clearly times are
49:39
Speaker 1: tough for Elizabeth. This is not going well for her.
49:43
Speaker 1: But yeh, after John dies, things don't go well for her.
49:48
Speaker 1: And then she meets Michael Kidney and so she meets
49:52
Speaker 1: him and they start living together. Michael Kidney, he's like
49:57
Speaker 1: a dock worker. And he's also voluntar here in the
50:00
Speaker 1: Army Reserve, and he's he's younger than Liz, So goal, Liz,
50:05
Speaker 1: good for you. But they start living together. They've got
50:09
Speaker 1: lodgings on Deventry Street and then Fashion Street. Now, this
50:16
Speaker 1: was not an easy relationship because the two of them
50:20
Speaker 1: liked to drink, and the two of them like to fight.
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Speaker 1: Michael Kidney more so like Elizabeth reported him to the
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Speaker 1: police for beating her and his brutality, and like a
50:34
Speaker 1: lot of women who suffered domestic violence, she retracted those
50:40
Speaker 1: claims because what else are you gonna do? Like, So,
50:46
Speaker 1: they would fight and he would do things, and she
50:48
Speaker 1: would leave. And every time they left, over the three
50:52
Speaker 1: years they were together, every time she left, she would
50:55
Speaker 1: go down to Flower and Dane Street. She would stay
50:58
Speaker 1: in the boarding house and she would come back every
51:02
Speaker 1: now and again. And he would say it's because no,
51:07
Speaker 1: she liked him more than she liked anybody else. And
51:10
Speaker 1: then Kidney Kidney, he was a drunk and a domestic abuser,
51:15
Speaker 1: was also and you're going to be shocked by this,
51:17
Speaker 1: I know, an adult to her. So he would cheat
51:22
Speaker 1: on her because he contracts syphilis. Now, he couldn't get
51:26
Speaker 1: it from her because at this point she's not contagious,
51:29
Speaker 1: because that's the stages of syphilis work, So she's not
51:33
Speaker 1: contagious at this point. So he was clearly outstoopid someone
51:37
Speaker 1: else speaking of syphilis. So syphilis is a degenerative condition
51:43
Speaker 1: and it basically rots your brain, right, and I'm not
51:49
Speaker 1: entirely surprised that between between eighteen eighty six and eighteen
51:54
Speaker 1: eighty eight she's swearing and cursing and using obscenities, like
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Speaker 1: really consistently, like they're getting worse, right, just with abundance,
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Speaker 1: And she's getting arrested for being drunk and disorderly. And
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth at this point is like in the territory like
52:17
Speaker 1: phase of syphilis. So yeah, she's arrested four times in
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Speaker 1: three months, and thanks for just not getting better. And
52:27
Speaker 1: she's got neurocephalus. And because she's a drinker as well,
52:32
Speaker 1: like the issues of the disease, the symptoms, you know,
52:36
Speaker 1: they're they're hidden by the fact that she drinks. So
52:39
Speaker 1: like people just see the fact that she's drinking and
52:41
Speaker 1: they wouldn't make the connection with the fact that her
52:44
Speaker 1: brain is deteriorating. But yes, after leaving Michael Kidney a
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Speaker 1: final time. Elizabeth is staying at thirty two Flower in
52:54
Speaker 1: Dean Street. So Elizabeth she does some cleaning of the
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Speaker 1: workhouse on the twenty ninth September eighteen eighty eight, and
53:02
Speaker 1: she earns a sixpence for it, and after that she
53:07
Speaker 1: heads on to the Queen's Head Pub on Commercial Street.
53:12
Speaker 1: So she goes out for a bit, but she does
53:14
Speaker 1: return back about half six that evening with Elizabeth Tanner,
53:16
Speaker 1: who's in charge of Flower and Dean Street, and so
53:20
Speaker 1: she pays for her lodgings. So later on that evening,
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth gets ready to go out and she asks Catherine Lane,
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Speaker 1: another woman in the lodging house, to look after a
53:34
Speaker 1: length of green velvet. You know, She's like, this is
53:38
Speaker 1: a good quality fabric. You know what she was going
53:40
Speaker 1: to do with it, we don't know. She doesn't look
53:42
Speaker 1: at one set of clothes. She's probably gonna like sell
53:45
Speaker 1: the velvet, probably, and she heads out the door. And
53:50
Speaker 1: this is where things get muddy. We have all of
53:53
Speaker 1: these contradicting reports regarding where Elizabeth was and what she
53:57
Speaker 1: was doing. Like apparently she's been arguing with a man.
54:01
Speaker 1: At one point she was walking alone. She was wearing flowers.
54:05
Speaker 1: She wasn't wearing flowers. There were so many reports of
54:09
Speaker 1: this woman was in this doorway and this woman was
54:11
Speaker 1: over there, and they were clearly all Elizabeth Stride. No. Now,
54:17
Speaker 1: the most credible of these supposed sightings of Elizabeth Stride
54:22
Speaker 1: is by Israel Schwartz. He's Hungarian. It's a quarter to
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Speaker 1: one in the morning, and he's torturing through you know,
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Speaker 1: Commercial Street, and he's going on to Berner Street, I
54:33
Speaker 1: think it is. And he says, like a man and
54:36
Speaker 1: woman kind of having an argument, a disagreement of sorts,
54:42
Speaker 1: and Schwartz is walking up towards this couple like this
54:44
Speaker 1: fight is starting to get physical. The dude physically throws
54:48
Speaker 1: the women to the ground and the woman screams thrice
54:52
Speaker 1: right ah ah. He said it wasn't like loud, but
54:56
Speaker 1: like she just screamed three times. And so this dude
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Speaker 1: crosses the street because of course he isn't going to
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Speaker 1: intervene in this violence against women, of course not. It's
55:08
Speaker 1: Victorian London. It's fine apparently, But as he crosses the street,
55:13
Speaker 1: there's a dude standing in the darkness smoking a pipe.
55:17
Speaker 1: And this dude is freaking out, So he just fucking
55:20
Speaker 1: legs it and somebody shouts Lipsky after him, which is
55:25
Speaker 1: just a way of being anti semitic. But yes, So
55:28
Speaker 1: around one am on the thirtieth of September, this dude
55:32
Speaker 1: who sells costume jewelry is going through Duckfield's yard and
55:38
Speaker 1: there he says the body of Elizabeth Stride. So at
55:43
Speaker 1: some point, probably early thirtieth of September eighteen eighty eight,
55:50
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Stride met her death the hands of a violent man.
55:57
Speaker 1: Her throat was slipped. And I don't usually talk about
56:03
Speaker 1: the death specifically of the victims, but m there's a
56:08
Speaker 1: few things that don't quite add up here for me.
56:12
Speaker 1: So this is known as the Night of the Double
56:14
Speaker 1: Event because there were two murderers that happened, and they're
56:17
Speaker 1: both attributed to Jack the Ripper. So the theory is
56:21
Speaker 1: Jack had killed Elizabeth. He was about to do his
56:23
Speaker 1: stuff and he's interrupted. At this point, he just fucking
56:29
Speaker 1: legs it and goes to murder another woman because he
56:32
Speaker 1: needs to satiate this thirst for blood. Obviously, However, I'm
56:39
Speaker 1: not entirely sure that's the case. So the EMO is very,
56:44
Speaker 1: very different because the location doesn't add up. So this
56:48
Speaker 1: is a busy yard, like behind a club, you know,
56:53
Speaker 1: there's a lot of thoroughfare, there's lots of footfall, like
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Speaker 1: you're more likely to be caught. So far, every time
57:01
Speaker 1: you know Jack has had his victim, it's been somewhere secluded.
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Speaker 1: It's been very earliers of the morning. It is deliberately
57:11
Speaker 1: so he has time to do what he needs to do.
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Speaker 1: To do this in a busy area where he's likely
57:22
Speaker 1: to get caught. The way the escalation process is going,
57:27
Speaker 1: this just doesn't add up. It seems that it's more
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Speaker 1: likely that Elizabeth, who was known to get aggressive and
57:38
Speaker 1: get in a fight, that someone, whether it was someone
57:44
Speaker 1: looking for money or someone just looking for a thrill,
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Speaker 1: slit her throat and left her there. Elizabeth Stride's death
57:54
Speaker 1: is the act of a violent man and emotional man,
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Speaker 1: a man who cannot get his shit together so much
58:05
Speaker 1: so that he decided to murder a clearly ill woman.
58:11
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Stride, I am convinced is a ripper victim, but
58:15
Speaker 1: not a victim of Jack the Ripper. So obviously all
58:18
Speaker 1: the propaganda and sensationalism goes out after her death and
58:23
Speaker 1: she's recognized by the police officer that once courted her.
58:27
Speaker 1: And she's also recognized and identified, I should say, by
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Speaker 1: a member of the Swedish church that she'd registered at
58:36
Speaker 1: and I think he was one of the only few
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Speaker 1: people at her funeral. So there's no money for anything,
58:42
Speaker 1: and she didn't really make connections. So she gets lowered
58:48
Speaker 1: into a pauper's grave, and this fella stands out at
58:52
Speaker 1: her inquest and talks about her and tries to give
58:56
Speaker 1: her some autonomy, and he provides a prayer in Swedish,
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Speaker 1: a Swedish prayer at her funeral, and so ends the
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Speaker 1: story of Elizabeth Stride. Now, if you liked my retailing
59:20
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59:28
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59:31
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59:33
Speaker 1: the business end of things. Now, I feel so weird
59:37
Speaker 1: having to be like really positive after just this horrific
59:42
Speaker 1: tale of drudgery and shame and pain, Like it's oh,
59:49
Speaker 1: it's so exhausting. Oh I feel weird about it. But yeah,
59:56
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1:00:06
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1:00:17
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Speaker 1: we have reading. You know what, everybody should read at
1:00:54
Speaker 1: least one horrible histories book. That's your assignment. Go read
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Speaker 1: a horrible histories book. They're funny and they're generally close
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Speaker 1: to the truth. It's always funnier the closer yard of
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Speaker 1: the truth when it comes to history. As what I'm
1:01:07
Speaker 1: saying for listening, I am going to recommend the song
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Speaker 1: labor by Paris Poloma. It fills me with a feminine rage,
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Speaker 1: which I just kind of need ir ocations, and it
1:01:24
Speaker 1: just it's so powerful and it makes me think of
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Speaker 1: so many events. It's just astounding and for watching you
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Speaker 1: know what, I was watching actually, and I'm gonna recommend.
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Speaker 1: I'm watching it because I'm just invested in Beth Dutton
1:01:44
Speaker 1: as a character, because I generally like unlikable women in
1:01:50
Speaker 1: TV shows. So Yellowstone, I've been watching Yellowstone and I
1:01:54
Speaker 1: think I have a thing for Rip Wheeler. I wasn't
1:01:57
Speaker 1: expecting it, but maybe I like a reformed man or
1:02:01
Speaker 1: just a broken man. Either way, I'm feeling it. So
1:02:07
Speaker 1: that is everything this week, and I shall bid you farewell.
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Speaker 1: Adios au revoir. Oh do say my friends bye bye.
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Speaker 1: Anyway to see it