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Mothman · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Morning the following podcast, and it contains grapic content and
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  Speaker 1: material intended for a mature audience listener discretion. Hey, welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Wicked and Graham. I fucked that up,
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  Speaker 1: didn't I.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to
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  Speaker 2: Wicked Ingraham.
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  Speaker 1: A true crime podcast. There we go, nailed it. It's
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  Speaker 1: been a intro.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's super easy now it is, but.
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  Speaker 1: We should probably we should change it up for the intro.
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  Speaker 2: I do think we should change it up regularly. It's
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  Speaker 2: boring and stale. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe one maybe one day we'll find like a super
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  Speaker 1: sweet way to intro and we'll just be like, that's it.
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  Speaker 1: We just got to stay with that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but still you'd still get bored of it and
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  Speaker 2: change it one day. Yeah, probably no one.
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  Speaker 1: Else more than likely know one us. Knowing us, you
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  Speaker 1: might notice something today listening to our podcast, Nicole sounds
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  Speaker 1: a little bit different.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sick, AF.
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  Speaker 1: She's sick. AF. You're nasty sick.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a nasty mofo sick.
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  Speaker 1: But you did just take a COVID test and that
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  Speaker 1: you're negative, So that I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Negative, So yeah, my life mission of not getting COVID
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  Speaker 2: is still in fresh. I don't know how to say
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  Speaker 2: that that's fair enough. I'm also on cold medication, so
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  Speaker 2: you're just going to bear with me. I might be
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  Speaker 2: like dead weight this episode, but you know what, We're
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  Speaker 2: going to give it a go.
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  Speaker 1: You doped up. I think that's that's the best version.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna col right now.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm drinking what do I have in this I
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  Speaker 2: have you don't even know, hot water with lemon juice,
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  Speaker 2: fresh ginger, like raw ginger chunks and honey. Wow, that's
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  Speaker 2: like a that's like a get fucking well and a
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  Speaker 2: cup drink? Fair enough, is it not?
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  Speaker 1: Basically I'm drinking wheat and barley.
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  Speaker 2: I think I need to, like, Okay, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: my immune system isn't terrible because I haven't gotten COVID,
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  Speaker 2: but and there's been like close calls. But I do
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  Speaker 2: want to like try to figure it out because I
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  Speaker 2: got a lot of weddings that I'm shooting this summer,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, you gotta get your shit together.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, hashtag professional photographer over here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the most weddings I've ever had this summer, so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: well it's going to be crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I believe in you. You've shot weddings where you're basically
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  Speaker 1: about to lean over into a bush and vomitas is
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  Speaker 1: so I believe you can do it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've definitely had some of those.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I do have some. I want to do
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  Speaker 1: a little shout out to someone if that's cool. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to shout out to adjacent Emmons because he
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  Speaker 1: just recently got a really cool award. He's part of
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  Speaker 1: the RCMP up here in Canada and he's actually a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more north than us in fact, which surprisingly enough, right, However,
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  Speaker 1: what's really cool? In twenty twenty one, so last Christmas,
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  Speaker 1: him and his wife Larissa decided they were going to
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  Speaker 1: do some stuff for their community. So they wrapped over
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty gifts on Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: Which is amazing, yes, And.
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  Speaker 1: On Christmas Eve they delivered presents to over twenty different
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  Speaker 1: families around their community. And so recently, fast forward to
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  Speaker 1: this March, Jason was actually gifted a commemorative Commissioner's Challenge
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  Speaker 1: coin and a handwritten letter from the Commissioner in their
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  Speaker 1: area because of the good deeds that he's done as
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  Speaker 1: an RCMP officer and for their community, so quick shout
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  Speaker 1: out to Jason for being so awesome. In fact, can
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  Speaker 1: we make him the badass of the day.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Jason, you the badass of the day officially.
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  Speaker 2: That's super awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Way to be absolutely amazing and going above and beyond.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, shout out to you guys, and thanks for
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  Speaker 1: tuning in to us all the time. We appreciate you
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  Speaker 1: being listeners and appreciate what you're doing for your community
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  Speaker 1: up there. Keep at it, stay wicked.
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  Speaker 2: Well. Fun story is, so we met Larissa and we
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  Speaker 2: had gone to Jamaica.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we went to Jamaica like ten years ago, almost.
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  Speaker 2: Probably at least that. Yeah, I think it.
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  Speaker 1: Would be no, because it was twenty twelve, it'd be
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  Speaker 1: ten years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, may we met Larissa.
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  Speaker 2: Just yeah, we went on like a week long, all
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  Speaker 2: inclusive trip to Jamaica, met them, her and her mom. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: freaking awesome people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then here we are ten years later and
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  Speaker 1: Larissa and her husband are listening to our podcast. I
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  Speaker 1: believe Tracy Laris's mom listens.
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  Speaker 2: I think so too. Yeah. Yeah, so it's a small world.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome.
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  Speaker 2: We need to do another trip. I am I have like,
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  Speaker 2: I need to go somewhere. I have an itch.
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  Speaker 1: So Nichole's going to do the honors even though she's
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  Speaker 1: sick of reading off the patrons today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we have two lovely people that joined us
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  Speaker 2: over on Patreon. So we have Tiffany Lucas and Jennifer Overhault.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, becau are freaking amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, thank you. And if you guys don't know, we
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  Speaker 1: do have a Patreon where you can sign up for
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes content all that sort of good stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and once a month, on the last day of every month,
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  Speaker 1: we come out with a Patreon exclusive episode. So there's
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  Speaker 1: two tiers you can sign up for it, and if
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  Speaker 1: you sign up for the all access Patreon tier, you
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  Speaker 1: can get access to the exclusive episode only available on.
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  Speaker 2: There a bonus episode a month, which is pretty awesome.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: And so this past March we talked about the Salish
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  Speaker 1: see human feet being found in shoes washing up on
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  Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest coast.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that one blew my mind.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, if you want to check it out, head
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  Speaker 1: over to Patreon. What else we got? I gotta thank
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  Speaker 1: you all for absolutely amazing birthday wishes. So thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much for making like an absolutely awesome day even
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  Speaker 1: more awesome because I had so many people wishing me
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  Speaker 1: a happy birthday just personally and then you guys adding
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  Speaker 1: to it. Actually, I think I had more people from
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  Speaker 1: the podcast wishing me happy birthday in my personal life.
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  Speaker 1: So that was insane.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that has been overwhelming, like in the best of ways.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I loved it, so thank you so much for
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  Speaker 1: making it an awesome day. And yes, I had chocolate
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  Speaker 1: milk ample mout.
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  Speaker 2: You did beer?
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  Speaker 1: It was great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got a lifetime supply of beer. I did
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  Speaker 2: got a lot of beer.
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  Speaker 1: My parents bought me like a flat of beer and
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  Speaker 1: then a cooler to store it all in. It was
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  Speaker 1: pretty awesome. So they know me. Well, mm hmm, anything else?
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  Speaker 1: What do we gotta say? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: I was just going to say, well, we watch? What
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  Speaker 2: movie do we watch? Watched The Newest Spider Man? Right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, The Newest Spider Man No Way Home.
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  Speaker 2: It was really good.
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  Speaker 1: Actually it was good. We finally watched it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Has it been out a while? Yah?
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  Speaker 1: Came out? Did I want to say, like November of.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty cheese, we're behind in life?
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  Speaker 1: Well? COVID. I've been avoiding theaters and that sort of.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so yeah, well our theater was nasty, do
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  Speaker 2: again West.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's still nasty now. It's archaic. It's literally
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  Speaker 1: like just it's one of those theaters where anything you touch.
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  Speaker 2: Is sticky, and it has no competition, so there's no
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  Speaker 2: reason for it to get better.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the only theater. It's a dive. It's gross.
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  Speaker 2: I honestly have always thought like if we opened the
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  Speaker 2: theater here it would do really well.
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  Speaker 1: It probably would, it would, I think, because everyone in
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  Speaker 1: this town that you talk to hates our theater because
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  Speaker 1: it is so gross. They don't renovate and it's just
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  Speaker 1: like nasty and charge so much.
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  Speaker 2: All you'd have to do is just have a clean place.
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  Speaker 2: And like there's the bar set pretty low.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's set very low. So yeah, shout out
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  Speaker 1: to famous players, theater and Prince George. You guys need
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  Speaker 1: to up your fucking game. Let's say that. Anyways, moving on, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: moving on, you're ready for today's episode.
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  Speaker 2: I'm totally ready.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about some really dark, some really disturbing, some
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  Speaker 1: really depressing cases.
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  Speaker 2: Recently, that is for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, so we are moving away from those types of
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  Speaker 1: cases for a little bit here for this week.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm doing next week, so don't
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  Speaker 2: don't say I'm not well. I know for you maybe
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  Speaker 2: I'll think of the most brutal case there is a
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  Speaker 2: move maybe just kidding.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, my next couple of cases are going to be
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  Speaker 1: a little more light, let's put it that way. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this case we're going to be touching on a cryptid,
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  Speaker 1: and my next case that I'm going to do, I
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  Speaker 1: haven't selected which one yet, though I think I know
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to focus on a survivor story. So someone
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  Speaker 1: who may have been abducted or attempted murder, but someone
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  Speaker 1: who survived. So those are my two cases coming up quick.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what the other one is, but this one,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, is a cryptid. We are talking about
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  Speaker 1: the Mothman. Do you know Mothman?
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  Speaker 2: I can't say I know a lot about the moth though,
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  Speaker 2: do you know the muffin Man?
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  Speaker 1: I was just supposed to say he lives on Dreary Lane,
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  Speaker 1: not my Buttons, not my gun drop Buttons. I love
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  Speaker 1: that movie. Anyways, So you're ready for this, I'm ready Okay,
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  Speaker 1: here we go. So, on the evening of November fifteenth,
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  Speaker 1: all the way back to nineteen sixty six, in a
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  Speaker 1: small town of Point Pleasant, West Virginia, two young couples
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  Speaker 1: by the name of Roger and Lisa Scarberry and Steve
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  Speaker 1: and Mary Malette. We're out on an evening drive down
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  Speaker 1: some countryside roads in the McClintic Wildlife Management Area.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I just to say, Point Pleasant. That sounds like
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  Speaker 2: a very pleasant place. I already like it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very uh, very neat of you to point
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  Speaker 1: that out.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, what you started it?
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  Speaker 1: Don't look at me like that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I did start it, Yeah you did. I did so.
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  Speaker 1: Anyways, the area consists of about eight thousand acres of
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  Speaker 1: woods that used to be used in World War Two
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  Speaker 1: for manufacturing and storage of explosives. Now, the storage building
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  Speaker 1: that held the explosives were essentially concrete igloo shaped bunkers,
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  Speaker 1: and they were distributed across all the acreage to house
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  Speaker 1: the explosives.
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  Speaker 2: Huh.
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  Speaker 1: Now. Since the war, however, was over, the buildings and
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  Speaker 1: facilities were essentially abandoned, leaving the area scattered with ruins
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  Speaker 1: and covered bunkers all over the place.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of like would probably have a bit of a
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  Speaker 2: creepy era to it. Then hey, oh probably imagine.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like if you go look out the area
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  Speaker 1: and everything, like I looked at some people like hunting
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  Speaker 1: for them offman stuff, it seems like just a nice
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  Speaker 1: country area. Yeah, but then once you get up into
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  Speaker 1: the bunkers and stuff like, yeah, that's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more on the creepy side of things.
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  Speaker 2: Well, anything just abandoned just seems like it always feels
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  Speaker 2: so creepy because your mind wanders like, what was it
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  Speaker 2: like here at one point?
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  Speaker 1: Ye, that's true, that is very much so true. Well,
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  Speaker 1: since like I said, these are now abandoned and they're
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  Speaker 1: scattered all over the place. The couple was just kind
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  Speaker 1: of driving through, not so much focusing on the bunkers,
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  Speaker 1: just focusing on driving through the road and the wooded area.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: They drove through the area in the dark, as it
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  Speaker 1: was an evening time and their headlights in the car
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  Speaker 1: were the only thing illuminating the road in the surrounding area.
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  Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden during the drive, Mary and
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  Speaker 1: Linda both spotted something ahead. It was a larger figure.
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  Speaker 1: The figure was walking towards a building known as the
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  Speaker 1: quote unquote T and T building in a shuffling type manner.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people refer to this area even fact
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  Speaker 1: as the T and T area because of the history
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  Speaker 1: with the explosives. Oh okay, so this isn't any sort
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  Speaker 1: of extravagant situation. Let's just say that. Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you basically have a sighting of a figure or a
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  Speaker 1: man shuffling through the darkness towards an abandoned buildings. Still creepy,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of creepy.
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  Speaker 2: Because you probably figure you're out there on your own.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's nothing extravagant to bet. There's nothing out
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  Speaker 1: of the normal. Until they watched it and they began
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  Speaker 1: to realize there were some things out of the normal.
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  Speaker 1: This figure, the figure was a little bit different. They
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  Speaker 1: couldn't see any discernible arms or even a discernible head.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, right on.
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  Speaker 1: What they did see, however, was something even more disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: The figure or creature had a large had large folding
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  Speaker 1: wings mounted high on its back, and massive glowing red
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  Speaker 1: eyes where its head would have been.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's creepy, ast shit, I'd be turning around.
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  Speaker 1: Well. The couple were stunned and they didn't turn around
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  Speaker 1: watch the creature. They continue to watch the creature shuffle
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  Speaker 1: towards the abandoned building, and then after a few moments
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  Speaker 1: they decided, you know what, let's get out of here.
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  Speaker 1: So they took their time, they watched it, and they thought,
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  Speaker 1: let's get the fuck out of here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, good plan.
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  Speaker 1: So they turned the car around and high tailed it
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  Speaker 1: down the country road in the direction that they came from.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine just seeing this glowing eye fucking creature
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  Speaker 1: out there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it wouldn't have taken me a few moments to
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  Speaker 2: turn around.
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  Speaker 1: Peace out.
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  Speaker 2: I would see that, and then I would already be like,
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  Speaker 2: it'd be it by dust.
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  Speaker 1: I just pictured like Scooby Doo, like when they just
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  Speaker 1: like jump up half a foot off the ground their
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  Speaker 1: feet kick around for a second, and then gone, it's
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  Speaker 1: just a dustblind.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's some creepy shit. Even if it was
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  Speaker 2: just like a man, I think I would be gone,
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  Speaker 2: it's just.
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  Speaker 1: Some random dude in the woods. No fuck it.
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  Speaker 2: At night, like by abandoned shit, Like I don't know, well.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what if it was just a homeless dude
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  Speaker 1: just happened to be like crashing in the abandoned place
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  Speaker 1: because he had no place to stay.
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  Speaker 2: I guess that's fair.
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  Speaker 1: Is that creepy?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Then why would you just leave him behind?
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  Speaker 2: Well, maybe he needed his space, personal space, privacy. Okay, there,
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  Speaker 2: I let him be fair enough.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so they turned the car around. They left the
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  Speaker 1: creature in their dust, their proverbial dust. However, if followed
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  Speaker 1: them as they drove, they saw the creature suddenly appear
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  Speaker 1: in their headlights ahead of them, and then it took
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  Speaker 1: off directly up into the air cool The wingspan of
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  Speaker 1: the creature reached out to be about ten feet wide,
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  Speaker 1: but in its flight, they described, it did not flap
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  Speaker 1: or beat its wings whatsoever to stay airborne.
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  Speaker 2: Huh how does that work? Hey?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, est according to physics, that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't work.
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  Speaker 2: No, so interesting, Okay, yeah, it almost like that makes
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  Speaker 2: it to make us, say, motorized.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's just a big old fucking kite, some
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  Speaker 1: kids flying around in the dark. Huh Yeah, glowing LEDs mounting.
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  Speaker 2: On it just to creep everyone out.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, fucking kids. Anyways, Roger Scarberry stepped on the gas
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  Speaker 1: of his nineteen fifty seven Chevy and began racing down
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  Speaker 1: the road with the creature flying over. He following them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, no, yeah no, Well.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of what they thought too. So he stepped
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  Speaker 1: on that gas, trying to gain speed as much as
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  Speaker 1: he could, and as they sped up to speeds of
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  Speaker 1: one hundred miles per hour down the dirt road to
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  Speaker 1: evade the creature, it's still kept following.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's so fast.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's not just for the record, because we
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  Speaker 1: do kilometers an hour. This is miles per hour.
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  Speaker 2: Which is like way faster, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's probably around the vicinity of if
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  Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken seventy Sorry, I was thinking seventy miles
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  Speaker 1: per hours one hundred kilometers, So you're probably around the
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  Speaker 1: vicinity of one hundred and four kilometers ish.
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  Speaker 2: Should I live it up?
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  Speaker 1: Sure? Do the math. Let's see my bat is one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and forty kilometers in that era area, Am I right?
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  Speaker 2: Oh God, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Hurry up, I'm stalling for you.
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  Speaker 2: I know, but it's not working.
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  Speaker 1: It's not working. Why isn't it working?
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  Speaker 2: Well, because it makes it says I have to do math.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it would just like pop up with like
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  Speaker 2: the conversion, you know, well it should. It just says
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  Speaker 2: ten miles per hour is sixteen kilometers per hour. So
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  Speaker 2: then I just have to do that math, don't I
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  Speaker 2: ten miles, I can do this.
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  Speaker 1: Ten miles an hour is sixteen So that's so ten
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  Speaker 1: miles is sixteen kilometers. You said, so it's one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and sixty kilometers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that is easy math. Sorry, okay, I'm sorry,
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: I'm blaming it on my cold. That is super Okay,
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: So one hundred and sixty kilometers props. Yeah, that's freaking fast.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: That is really fast. So I like, how else Canadians?
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: I'd like catch up there for a minute. Yeah, so anyways,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: up to one hundred miles per hour or one hundred
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: and sixty kilometers. The creature was still right behind them,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: staring them down with its intense, glowing red eyes. As
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: the chase continued, the creature let out a loud, screeching noise,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: described after the fact as quote a record played at
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: a high speed, or squeak of a mouse.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'd shit my pants right there.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Really, you'd shit your pants. I'd be shitting I feel
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: like that's like not I mean, the whole situation is scary,
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: but just the noise alone. It's not a very intimidating noise.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: No, I think the noise would just amplify it so much.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Really, do you think it is scary? Tear?
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: I hate? Okay, because even when we're out, because we
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: have a lot of coyotes around here, and like it's
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: pitch dark and you can just hear them howling.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: M hm.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Creeps me out. It's creepy. I don't like sounds in
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: the darkness.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough. I love the sound of coyotes.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: You do, so maybe it wouldn't bother you, but it
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: bothered me.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: I could fall asleep to coyotes yapping all around me
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: in the bush. It's just like a fucking lullaby for me.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Oh no, it's like actually makes the hair on the
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: back of my neck stand up a bit.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: I love it. Wolf howls, depending on how close they are,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: will get me.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Have you heard wolf howsel here out here? Huh?
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. Maybe once or twice. I'm not
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: too certain. It would have been a long time ago
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: if I did. But I have heard worth wolf howls,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: just I'm not sure.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Around here, well, we hear them on a daily basis
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: in our house.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it happens when you got a husky wolf mix.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: So anyways, back to the story. So, as the chase
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: went on, they began nearing town, and as they neared town, however,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: the creature started to fall back until it faded into
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: the darkness and they were left alone driving back the
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: rest of the way to town.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's what I was hoping would happen.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Well, what they just witnessed and experience was clearly terrifying.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you can attest to that if you were
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: in the situation, you'd probably poop. Yeah, And Linda Scarberry
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: was adamant that they needed to report it to the police.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: The only problem, who was going to believe them exactly?
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Who's going to believe that they just saw a large,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: headless figure with no arms but wings instead and chase
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: them down a country road, flying at speeds of one
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: hundred miles per hour as this giant red eyes stared
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: them down. That's not something the police will generally consider
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: a legitimate statement.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: They would probably think they were like high or something.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent, especially like back in the sixties,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: you're entering hippie era here, So I mean like some
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: young couples driving off down the country road. They very
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: well could have been sparking up some of that grass exactly.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: The Devil's let us.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: They're like I need some of that exactly.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Either that or they're like we need to stop smoking
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the shit after what they just saw. So like, what
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: were they gonna do? How are they gonna report it?
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Sure they just keep quiet? What would you do in
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: that situation?
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I think I'd have to report it because I don't
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: think it's necessarily something that keep quiet, because who knows,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: maybe there have been other reports, like you don't know
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: that someone else's baby calmon like the place have just
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: kept it quiet, So I would report it.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, they decided to do something that I guarantee
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: you you wouldn't have done.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Oh go back.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: They decided to go back.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Shit, yeah no, that would not be what I would do.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Shit yeah no, coming see on T shirts. So yeah,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: they turned the car around and they drove back.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: To where they had seen the creature that same night.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: The same night, the same moment they just lost it
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: like minutes ago. What And they're like still in the car, like,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: let's turn around and go back.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Did they go change their underwear first, I don't think so, wow,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: that's wild.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: So they turned around and they headed back. They wanted
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: to confirm what they had just witnessed and experience, and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: they wanted to see like, okay, are we out of
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: our minds? Did we see what we think we saw?
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: They just they wanted that confirmation, which props to them
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: because that's the bravest fuck that is.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: And I guess even back then, like they wouldn't have
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: even had anything to capture it on really right, Yeah,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: there's no cellphones. That's sucky thing, you. Yeah.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: So once they drove back down the dark dirt road
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: nearing the TNT building where they saw it, they found
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: it wandering around and open clearing again. Its mass and
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: shape was all the same as before, with its high
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: mounted wings and glowing red eyes. Immediately once they saw it,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: they said, yup, and piece the fuck out of there.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I think they should have at least brought someone with them.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Well, they decided, you know what, we confirmed, we did
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: see this fucking creature. Were not going crazy. So they
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: went straight for the Mason County Courthouse and filed the
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: report on what they had seen and experienced.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, so it didn't follow them the second time.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Didn't follow them the second time.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: That's lucky. I was like, oh, they might not have
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: the same sit like scenario here.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well they didn't because it didn't follow them.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, but I was thinking it might be worse.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So once they arrived and they were filing out
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the report, Deputy Millard Halstead was the individual on shift
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: and took their report. Now, luckily, the town of Point
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Pleasant is in a large city. It's more of a
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: small town where a lot of people are acquainted with
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: one another, you know, kind of where everyone knows their
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: name sort of thing. Yep, And Deputy Halstead knew the
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: couples personally. He knew who they were and took what
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: they said seriously, right, it's incredible sighting.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's super good. Props to him for that, no kidding.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: So what they did to make sure that everyone was
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: actually telling the truth and testing to make sure that
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: they actually saw what they saw. They split everyone up,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: the four of the individuals, They split them up and
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: separated them into individual rooms and they were asked to
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: write down what had happened. So each of them went
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: to handwrite their report and statement and what they experienced
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: and saw without collaboration from one another, and each report
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: corroborated the other.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: They all matched.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's actually so good.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, especially can consider the fact. Okay, yeah, we
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: were just talking about it. These guys driving down a
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: country road, get high, see some shit. Yeah, if you're high,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: your stories aren't going to match because you're all fucking
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: experiencing different shit. And if you are high and you
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: decide that you're going to corroborate a story, when you
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: do go write it down, it's still not going to match.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and sorry, how old were.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: These I'm certain age. I know they were young, but
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know how young, So I guess, like, I
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe mid to late twenty somewhere around.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, I seen. That's so smart, that's awesome.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so so yeah, each the individuals involved were separated
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and wrote that down one hundred percent. Now, after the
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: written statements were filed, accompanied by Deputy Halstead, the two
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: couples drove back out to where they had seen the
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: creature that night.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, who are these people?
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they are the Scooby Doo gang, because
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: holy fuck.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Like to go a third time is mind blowing to me.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Right, So, once they got to the location, they began
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: to search for anything related to what they had experienced.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: While they didn't see the creature, upon the return, there
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: were a few other findings they did see. They found
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: some strange shadows that were moving amongst the forest while
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: they were there. Oh wow, a strange and unexplained sudden
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: dust cloud was kicked up on one spot. Odd noises
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: were heard at times, and they found what appeared to
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: be a hoof like print in the sand.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Now, I did see a photo of a hoof like
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: print while and while looking up an article on this.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the hoof print or what.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they even have a photograph of
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: it or not, but I do want to point out
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I did some research in the area for West Virginia.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: It is home to a lot of deer and even elk.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Oh okay so which can very much so look like
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: a hoof print.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Oh they have hoofs.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like it looks like that. It looks like a
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: monster almost.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it very well could be. And the photo that
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I saw, to me, it looked like an elk print
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: or a very large deer, a small elk or very
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: large deer. But again, I don't know if I saw
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: a real image or if it was just something someone
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: slapped on it for the article purposes.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: I've been seeing a ton of moose prints on the road, yeh,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: for our walks lately, like lots.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I tried to look see if there was moose
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: in the area. I didn't see if there. I couldn't
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: confirm if there was moose in West Virginia, and only
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the fact that that elker there. I guess they haven't
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: been around for around one hundred years in the area.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: They are there, very rare, but they are there. But
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: they are making a turn last decades, a return the
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: last decade or so. So anyways, where am I here now? Yeah? Okay,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: So after the incident, after they went back with deputy
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and everything, they were turned and went back to town. Now,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Linda Scarberry is said to have been sent to a
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: hospital and been treated for shock after this, just adding
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: to the credibility of their experience.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't blame that.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the next morning, Mason County Sheriff George Johnson
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: held a press conference regarding the situation and spoke to
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the public on the sighting, Oh, I don't.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Know if that's a good idea.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: No, why not?
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Well, then everyone's just gonna go out there.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, that's pretty much what happened. Yeah, okay, Well,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: local and national news sources began picking up the story,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and it effectively, I mean, in the nineteen sixty six
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: standards began to go viral, and the press would have
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: eventually dubbed the creature the Mothman, which, funny enough, the
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: name was inspired by the nineteen sixties live action Batman
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: movie that was on TV at the time, because a
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: lot of people said that the description everything sounds like Batman,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: and there was one incident I believe where a guy
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, I basically just saw Batman in
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: my neighbor's roof.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Right, well, I mean this tall, brooding, dark figure with
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: like the because the wings weren't like moth wings are flapping,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: kind of like a Batman cape kind.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Of Batman has a head though, doesn't it.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he does. And the fact that it doesn't have
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: a head, that's the only time I've heard that it
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: doesn't have a head. And I think it's not that
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: this doesn't have a head. I think it's like its
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: head is kind of like more just like a mound
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: on its shoulders.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, not with like a neck and stuff.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, However I have read other reports where the
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: neck was like slimmed into so like it would have
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: a head. So it's very mixed reports on the head
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: piece of it.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: So yeah. Anyways, so they dubbed him the Mothman via
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Batman's Adam West in the nineteen sixties or sorry, Adam
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: West Batman in the nineteen sixties. Now, during the next
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: few days, other people started to report similar sightings. Two
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: volunteer firemen saw the creature and said it was quote
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: large bird with red eyes yeah, and Mason County Sheriff
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: George john And commented that he believed the sightings were
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: due to an unusual large heron in the area.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, but like people are describing in as like ten
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: feet wingspan, yes, yeah, yeah, okay, maybe I have to
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: look up what kind of bird that is.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Well, herring heron. Sorry I just said herring heron is
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: a crane.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, Oh, that doesn't seem like that fits the
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: description at all, not quite.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but wildlife biologist Robert L. Smith of West Virginia
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: University told reporters that the descriptions and sightings all fit
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the sandhill crane, a large American crane almost as tall
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: as a man, with a seven foot wingspan, featuring circles
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: of reddish coloring around the eyes. The bird may have
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: been wandering out of its migration route, which it's not
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: native to the area specifically, and therefore was unrecognized at
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: first because it was not native to this gent Now
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: it's unconfirmed whether there was a sand hill crane in
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: the area at the time, but there are unconfirmed highlight
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: that there unconfirmed sightings. Some people claim that they had
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: saw a specific sandhill crane around of the time.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Can these birds fly that fast though?
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: No? One hundred miles an hour?
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: No, like that's really fast.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean birds can fly fast, but I know
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna fly.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I know. I'm like, I don't think it. Oh man,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: let's hope birds can't fly. That Fasset's terrifying.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Yep. Now another setting, a contractor Nwle Partridge sorry contractor
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Newel Partridge told Johnson that when his he aimed a
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: flashlight at a creature in the nearby field, its eyes
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: glowed like bicycle reflectors. Now we any animal, that's basically
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: any animal. Yeah, and some people are actually pointing to
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: owls for this because owls you point a flashlight at them,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: they do have like a reddish glow to their eyes.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Oh really hey, Yes, and there.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Is an unconfirmed again unconfirmed. There's a lot of unconfirmed
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: stuff about this. When we were talking about what was it,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I believe Linda Scarberry when she was talking about the
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: reddish eyes during their initial chase and everything, some say
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: that she talked about the eyes only glowing when light
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: was shined into them.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Like their headlights and such.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: There is that possibility there. I just wanted to throw
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: that out so well.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Owl Owls can get pretty large too, can they not?
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: They can. I believe it's the great horned owl can
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: get up to a six foot wingspan. We have those
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: around here, but I mean they sit like two and
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: a half to three feet tall.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you would know, you would know.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: So anyways, these were just people who happened to seem off.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: There were hundreds of people going out each night in
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: search of the creat pretty much like pitchfork in hand style.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Like rifles and shit like wanting.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: To go hunt kill it. Okay, well question, yes, would
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: that have been you?
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, you would go.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: You would have to go take a peek.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I kind of want to go to West Virginia and
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: take a peak now, just saying, oh my goodness, I
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: would totally go in a mothman hunt. So yeah, it's
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: estimated that numbers could have been up to a thousand
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: individuals going out each night in search of the mothman.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Well, that alone would scare anything away.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm pretty sure that a lot of sightings
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: that would have occurred around this time could have potentially
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: even been people seeing other.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: People or made up in their head or something exactly.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I just saw a figure in the bush. Yeah, you
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: just saw Sam over there with his girlfriend. She was
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: trying to take a leak. So they're looking for privacy.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, like, come on, not to say that there
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: weren't actual sight I'm just saying, at that time, when
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: you have a thousand people running around the bush, pretty
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: sure you're just seeing each other.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think any sort of creature would be
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: staying with that amount of people around.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Definitely not. But also the idea of people confusing a
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: creature with such mass like this with a large herring
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: like a sandhill crane. I think it had a lot
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: of people just rolling their eyes, much like UFO sightings.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, that's swamp gas. Like a fuck off.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I really doubt that it's a crane, and I think
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: people were much so in agreeance with that. Not saying
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: you can't you can't be. I'm just saying, well, the odds.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Are Yeah, it'd be people like me that just want
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: to believe it's a crane. Let's just put this behind us.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I want to believe in Mothman, but I'm not sure
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: No.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I think there's I don't know. A lot of cryptids
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: are just too far fetched. I want to believe in
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: the them all they're they're fucking cool as shit. Yeah,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: but the reality is like these creatures probably don't. It's
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: probably certain circumstances that line up, you know, to make
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: us see something or have an experience where it's like, well,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: it just so happened to be perfect situation where swamp
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: gas made you see a UFO like chances of them,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I agree, chances of a being swamp gas for UFO
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: fucking a bajillion to one, but there still is that chance.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Well, your brain can create really interesting things in your mind.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Like even where my studio is across the street, there's
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: like a twig in the fence. I don't know if
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: you've noticed it. Yes, I have had to go and
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: look numerous times and make sure it's not a squirrel
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: caught in their dead It literally looks like it's a
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: squirrel that's died in the fence.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: So it's like, I don't know. Your brain just like
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: makes things up in your head sometimes, right, Like this
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: is what that is.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it finds a discernible shape and it tries to
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: add things that you know and put essentially a face
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: to it.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Anyways, one thing that does point to the mothman being
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: something other than just a bird or a side effect
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that many report after having the encounter. Linda Scarberry, for example,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: began to hear disembodied noises and saw items move around
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: her house on their own.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I really don't like that.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: These things, in her opinion, were pointing towards a poltergeist.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: But she wasn't alone in this experience. A woman by
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: the name of Marcella Bennett saw the creature with huge
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: wings and glowing red eyes. She said it seemed so relaxed,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: as if it was waiting for her to approach it.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: She described it as I quote to me, it wasn't
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: of this world. After that, she suffered many side effects
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: from the encounter, such as severe anxiety, paranorma or paranoia sorry, nightmares,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: and she could often feel an unnerving presence, as if
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: the creature was still watching her. Oh, I just hate
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: that herself, and others also would go on to report
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: visions and premonitions and near psychic abilities.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: How could you ever sleep again? Really? Hey?
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Oh? Fuck? Just a giant moth creature just like watching
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: you all the time.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Fuck? No, no thanks?
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Oh you'd be sleeping with the lights on every night.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I think, God, make it worse. It's a moth. They
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: love the light. Oh my gosh, turn the lights off,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: turn the lights on? Which is it?
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Oh? I don't even know now I'd probably still keep
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: them on.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Well anyways. Now, Whether these abilities are bestowed upon individuals
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: after their encounter or not, this at least points to
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: the fact that their individual minds, psychees, mental health, or
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: whatever are severely impacted. Whether these things are true, whether
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: they're getting psychic powers, seeing objects move, something is setting
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: off their system, something in them is makeing them like
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say go mad, because I don't
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: think they're going mad, but like begin to be pushed.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: That breaking point they believe in it now.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, eventually something is pushing them that far. That's what
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: makes it so tangible. H it's for example, Linda going
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: into actual shock and people experiencing these things.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and but it wasn't happening with the other three.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Hey, well, the other three kind of had different experiences
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: in different ways. I'll talk on some of it a
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: little bit later, but those ones not so much. However,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: there were other people having experiences in other ways. Individual
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: reports are one thing, but what about mass reporting. What
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: about authorities reporting strange events? Because that's exactly what happened.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Police dispatches were reported to be interrupted or cut off
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: for unexplained reasons. Cars and a lot electronic appliances began
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: malfunctioning for a lot of people. There was increased sightings
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: for UFOs in the area. And like I said, Linda
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Scarberry's poltergeist experiences, we're not the only ones being reported.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Huh So is this mass hysteria or is this the
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: fucking Mothman causing some shit?
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, there's a point where it's too
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: much is happening right exactly?
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: But mass hysteria is a real thing.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: So that's just where enough people are believing and creating
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: things in their mind or.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: What Basically, Yeah, okay, so it's either it's one or
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: the other. Yeah, Either an entity, a creature or something
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: is causing this to happen, or people are believing it
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: so much so that they are creating this stuff in
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: their own mind.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Well then sit, I mean, lots of shit just goes
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: wrong on a daily basis, So then anything that's going
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: wrong for them, they're just blaming on the Mothman too,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: potentially write.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Yep, that's totally true. Yeah, Now, there is a theory
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: surrounding the Mothman aside from the paranormal side of it.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: It boils down to radiation. The World War II bunkers
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: were found to have leaked high amounts of contamination into
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: the soil around the quote unquote T and T area
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: known as the Mclinic Wildlife Management Area. Huh So, some say,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: what if through radiation in the area bred some sort
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: of bird creature, moth hybrid human thing, and here we
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: have the Mothman.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's a comic book. I
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: don't think that's quite how things work. But I mean
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: it's not like it couldn't.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, that's not super far fetched.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: We have seen radiation do some crazy.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Things in animals totally, so, which is kind of sad
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: actually that one.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: It really is. So. There are so many speculative stories
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: surrounding it and what it could be, but another encounter
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: may help point us in the right direction. Linda Scarberry
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: was not yet done with her experiences.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: The poor Girl.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: She would begin to have odd phone calls to her home,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: and from there she began to encounter strange men, men
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: we know as the men in black.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, please elaborate.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: You don't know what the men in black?
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I do, But what is this men in black phoning her? Now?
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. Why? Okay, Okay, for the.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Record, maybe do I not know what the men in
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: black are? Then?
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: What what are men in black? What do you think
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: they are?
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know what they you're thinking the Will Smith.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, Okay, that movie is based off an entirely
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: true theory on government agents. Okay, So people who often
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: have UFO sightings and stuff also report follow up incidences
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: with men dressed in black uniforms, suits and everything, knocking
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: on their door, threatening them and telling them to keep quiet,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: stealing evidence and even and in some cases some claim
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: they have murdered family members or individuals involved.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Oh really, Hey, yes, okay, Well I haven't watched that
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: movie for a long time, and these men and they're
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: like human men. That's arguable, that's arguable.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, but the movie Men in Black is a complete like,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a fabrication.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Basically, imagine.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: The only similar thing is the concept they deal with
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: aliens and creepy shit and cover it up.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: That's like Black Eyed Children vibes coming out here pretty much.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: So in an interview with Linda, she said this, The
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Men in Black wore black suits, black hats, and sunglasses.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: They drove black cars cadillacs. I think they looked like
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: human beings, but their skin was somewhat transparent. You could
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: see the veins in their hands very clearly. Their fingers
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: were longer than normal person's fingers as well. Daddy shook
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: hands with them, and he said they were awkward in
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: shaking hands. They seemed to not know what to do
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: or how to shake hands. One of the cars would
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: follow us around. There were three men in the car.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: The men in black went so far as to follow
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: us through the drive through of a restaurant. We were
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: afraid to turn around and just look in the mirror
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: at them.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, this town's getting hit hard. Oh fuck yeah,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: and Linda's getting hit hard.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: And two of the other individuals who were in the
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: car that night with Linda, Steve and Mary Mallette, reported
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: a man and a woman wanting to take a picture
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: of them. The Maletts took down the light like wrote
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: down the license plate of the vehicle that they were driving,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: of a Volkswagon, and when they reported it to the police,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: the police came back and said that that plate number
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: did not exist.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they just wrote it down wrong.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe, But why would they want their picture in the
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: first place.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: There are reports of men in black often wanting to
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: take individual's pictures.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Oh really, hey, there is. This is very similar to
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: the black eyed children. I feel like slightly kind of okay.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Member in the black Eyed Children case, they would wait
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: for their parents and they would go out to the
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: car of two individuals dressed in black. Those two individuals
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: were most likely men.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: In black Holy shit. Okay, yeah, wow, huh so.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Creepy as fuck?
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding here. I wanted to get like a
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: really nice sleep tonight to like help my cold and
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: just get better.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: You're gonna be dreaming of guys in black suits outside
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: the windows staring at you all night.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, Ben, You're welcome, Thanks a lot.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Well, moving the nightmares aside. Let's get back to the case.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: So the alleged men in black frequented the small town
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: of Point Pleasant, usually dressed from head to toe in
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: black suits, white shirts, black ties, sunglasses, black shoes, and
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: basically all appeared to be perfect in appearance, but yet
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: completely out of style for the time. In nineteen sixties
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven, they are said to have asked people
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: questions about Mothman and told them not to speak of
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: it to anyone else. Now the following fifteenth of December
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven, we're going to move on to
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: another incident here, The Silver Bridge collapsed under the weight
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: of rush hour traffic. This is oh no, this is
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: a quite famous incident because it resulted in the death
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: of forty six people. Two of the victims were unfortunately
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: never recovered from the river.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Holy that's a tragic disaster.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Holy, Yes, it is very tragic. So the investigation of
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the wreckage pointed that the cause of the collapse was
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: because of the failure of a single eyebar in the
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: suspension chain due to a small defect point one inches
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: or two point five millimeters deep into it. Analysis shows
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: that the bridge was carrying much heavier loads than it
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: was originally designed to be carrying, and it had been
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: poorly maintained. The collapse eventually happened due to this defect,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: and it would eventually be replaced by a silver Memorial bridge,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: which was completed in nineteen sixty nine. Now this ties
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: into mothmen because a couple of sightings of mothmen were
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: said to have occurred near the bridge before the incident. Now,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: rumors eventually spread that the bridge collapse was connected to
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Mothman in some way, and that he could have potentially
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: been trying to warn people, or even have been a
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: dark premonition of the incident. This was the beginning of
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: the Mothmen being associated with an omen of doom. After
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: the bridge's collapse, the Mothmen sightings came to a sudden halt.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Now it may be a coincidence. Maybe mothmen had something
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: to do with it, or maybe mass hysteria came to
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: a sudden halt because there was another incident that took
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: people's attention.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Sorry, my mind's just going like a mile minute here.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: This is there's a lot of information.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so basically, you ever see this mothman run for
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the hills because it doesn't mean good.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, there have been sightings since nineteen sixty seven.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: They do occur sometimes, but they're not very frequent. Like
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: a photo taken by an anonymous individual of what he
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: claims to be the Mothman flying in trees. However, to me,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: it looks very unconvincing, and many people say it looks
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: like you could just be an owl carrying something. Yeah,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: but I'm pretty convinced that it was just a hoax,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: someone just trying to, you know, get notoriety.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I have a feeling that this creature wouldn't allow
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: its photo to be taken.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there are some photos out there that people claim
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: to be a mothman too. Yeah, so it's but again,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: credibility is on question. Now. To this day, we do
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: not have an answer to the Mothman. Obviously. However, many
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: people do truly believe, so much so that there are
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: annual festivals dedicated to the Mothman, and in the downtown
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: area of Point Pleasant they have erected a large metallic
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: statue paying tribute to the creature. Wow, there's actually even
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: a twenty four hour live stream feed on this statue,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: so you can go on the website and watch tourists
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: and believers who visit to get their picture taken with
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: the Mothman.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you just put that in the show.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: The link in the show notes I definitely can do that.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: I want to watch them, right, Maybe I'll do that.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: That's how I'll spend my sick day to Mark that's
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: watching the statue, just like being a total creeper.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Yep. I don't know how often it gets visitors. I'm
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: assuming it'd probably be a little more on the weekend,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: because I don't think the locals are over there taken
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: selfies all the time.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know if a Tuesday in March is going
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: to be April will be that busy.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I doubt it, but I would assume that, you know,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: during the Downtown Festival, and I think it takes place
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: in September. If I'm not mistaken, I would assume that
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: would be the weekend you want to watch the Lives.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: You're kidding fun.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: So that is the story of Mothman.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Whether he's true or not, it's up to you to
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: decide for yourself. But I'm gonna say I don't believe
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: in the moth Man. I want to. I want someone
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: to prove me wrong. I want to see this creature.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Careful man, Why I don't want to bring no Mothman here?
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Mothman, come on, sh We'll leave a lamp on for you.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Oh No, Moths are actually kind of creepy.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Who is my friend Brian? Brian hates moths.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: I know a few people that just despise them, almost
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: just like they're the creepiest things ever, Like they couldn't
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: they wouldn't be able to sleep if they one was
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: in their house.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: They're like tiny, tiny little puppy dogs with wings.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: They're kind of ugly, but there are some I guess
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: that are better looking. Some look like butterflies.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: They are adorable. What are you talking about?
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: And they're like dusty and gross?
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, you know, as soon as we're done recording this,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go over to Instagram and it's going
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: to be a total easy one. People will be able
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: to guess. It's so easy. But for our hint on
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: what the episode coming up is, I'm going to just
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: post a picture of a super adorable moth.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, if you do that right, Okay, okay, look forward
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: to seeing this all right.
• 47:21
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• 47:23
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• 47:25
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• 47:28
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• 47:37
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