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Could Tim Walz Face Federal Charges? Why a Trump Call Changes Nothing · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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  Speaker 1: So Tim Walls had a nice phone call with President
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump. The media and Walls seem to be saying
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  Speaker 1: that it's some sort of unity. I say, it's a
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  Speaker 1: desperate attempt to save his own skin. Josh Hammer is
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  Speaker 1: here to tell you that a friendly chat doesn't erase
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  Speaker 1: possible criminal liability. Walls can smile on the phone all
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  Speaker 1: he wants, the legal hammer is still coming down. Is
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  Speaker 1: he actually safe or is he walking into a trap?
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  Speaker 1: Watch this just because Trump and Walls are getting along today, Josh,
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  Speaker 1: does that alleviate them from any legal issues that they
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  Speaker 1: had before the Truth Social Post went out to days ago?
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  Speaker 2: No, presumably not. I mean the technical answer is that
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  Speaker 2: if you commit a crime, there is presumably statute of limitations.
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  Speaker 2: And I presume Joe that whatever crimes or alleged crimes
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  Speaker 2: were talking about, there don't have a statue limitations of
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  Speaker 2: like a week or two.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So No, I mean a friendly, convivial truth social post,
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  Speaker 2: a nice phone call between donaldro and Tim Walls. I
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  Speaker 2: mean that has very little to do with any wrongdoing.
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  Speaker 2: Whether it's there's moral wrongdoing, you're actually outright legal wrongdoing
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  Speaker 2: that has been done by Tim Walls. Keith Ellis and
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  Speaker 2: Jacob Frye and the rest of the Minnesota Democratic establish him. Frankly,
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  Speaker 2: I would caution the administration. I would caution Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 2: Tom Holman, any of these guys from taking any of
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  Speaker 2: these miscreants at their word. Why in the world would
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  Speaker 2: we now believe a single word the Tim Wall says,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the Minnesota Democratic leaders are now saying that
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  Speaker 2: they are fully complying, or at least they're mostly complying
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  Speaker 2: with ICE. Are they? Are they actually? I mean, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: last sight check, based on my understanding what's happening on
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  Speaker 2: the ground in Minnesota, Joe, my understanding is that if
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  Speaker 2: there is a if there is a local or state penitentiary,
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  Speaker 2: and there is an illegal alien there, and that illegal
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  Speaker 2: alien is about to be released from that jail, then
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  Speaker 2: my understanding is that there is indeed a directive from
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  Speaker 2: the state or local penitentiary to call ICE or federal
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  Speaker 2: mcgra stories and say, this guy's being released. Guess what.
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  Speaker 2: There's not a directive to do. There's not a directive
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  Speaker 2: to keep him there. If there's a detainer, I there's
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  Speaker 2: a detainer from ICE saying we want we're trying to
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  Speaker 2: get this guy we're trying to deport him. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: he's a rape best he's he's a set there or
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  Speaker 2: a traffick or whatever. This guy's no good, he's a
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  Speaker 2: bad ownedber. We want him out there. There is no
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  Speaker 2: directive I'm aware of from state or local law enforcement
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  Speaker 2: or state or local penitentiaries in Minnesota to actually detain
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  Speaker 2: that criminal alien and then turn them over to Ice.
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  Speaker 2: So it's basically just a load to bump in there.
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  Speaker 2: And I hope it plays out well there. But I
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  Speaker 2: have to say I'm a little skeptical of this very
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  Speaker 2: very rosy tone that we've heard from the administration there. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I think that these people in Minnesota are a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of liars. There are a bunch of frauds, I mean fraudsters.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen them with the whole Somali scandal there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, would a leadership that conveniently looked the other
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  Speaker 2: way when billions and billions of dollars or task payer
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  Speaker 2: funds were being defrauded? Is that really the kind of
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  Speaker 2: group of people you can take at their word when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to the fact that they're now trying to
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  Speaker 2: assist Ice there. I'm not buying you for a second.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I mean, in Tim Wallas has a history
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  Speaker 1: of lying anyway, stolen valor he lied about his drunk,
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  Speaker 1: criving arrest of the whole thing. So let me ask
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  Speaker 1: you this. Do you think that for some reason Walls
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  Speaker 1: wanted the Insurrection Act to be to be invoked? And
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  Speaker 1: the reason I say that is then he could play
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  Speaker 1: the victim even worse? Do you think he wanted that
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  Speaker 1: or behind the scenes the entire time said, holy crap,
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  Speaker 1: I better not let them do the Insurrection Act?
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  Speaker 2: You know, look, I think a lot of these higher
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  Speaker 2: profile Democrats relish these standoffs with the Trump ministration, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Gavin Newsom is now in getting another back
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  Speaker 2: and forth with the Trump ministration when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: Trump trying to override State of California and Los Angeles
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  Speaker 2: County protocols when it comes to the rebuilding of the
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  Speaker 2: Pacific paliss following that horrific fire last year, and this,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, look, is Trump doing the right thing? Probably?
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  Speaker 2: I think he probably is. Does this happen as a
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  Speaker 2: secondary incidental factor to probably boost Gavin Newsom's visibility and
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  Speaker 2: perhaps his popularity in the eyes of American Democrats? It
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  Speaker 2: probably does. I mean, it probably does burnish Gavin Newsom's
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight credentials. So too, with the insurrection acts
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  Speaker 2: being invoked in Minneapolis, probably have the effects of boosting
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  Speaker 2: Tim Walls, trying to make him out as some hero
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  Speaker 2: or martyr of leftism of the Democratic Party elite in
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  Speaker 2: the United States when it comes to their royal lank
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  Speaker 2: ever recurring standoffs with the trumpministration. Now, now Tim Walls
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  Speaker 2: is in a unique situation because I just mentioned this
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  Speaker 2: Somali fraud scandal that was what directly precipitated the current
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  Speaker 2: immigration operation. I mean literally, I mean literally, let's actually
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  Speaker 2: stipulate that without that fraud scandal, you actually wouldn't have
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  Speaker 2: had any of this. That's literally the reason why DHS
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  Speaker 2: actually launched this particular operation. They did it with it
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  Speaker 2: within days of the Nick Shirley YouTube videos there and
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  Speaker 2: after that scandal, Tim Walls announced that he was not
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  Speaker 2: seeking re election. So you know, this, this fraud scanal
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  Speaker 2: has has kind of put a pretty substantial dentse maybe
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  Speaker 2: just destroyed Tim Wallas's political career. But having said that,
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  Speaker 2: even if even if it does not run for president whatever,
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  Speaker 2: he's still trying to seek the line blights. I mean
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  Speaker 2: a lot, a lot, a lot of these guys just
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  Speaker 2: don't don't know any other way other than trying to
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  Speaker 2: get as much media attention as possible. So I think
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  Speaker 2: I think you're probably I think you probably was rooting
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  Speaker 2: for the insurrection. I think I think it still could come,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, probably not, probably not right now, at
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  Speaker 2: least for the time being, while Trump and Holman are
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  Speaker 2: trying to kind of have this this rough proachments of sorts.
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  Speaker 2: But I would not be surprised if the situation, God forbid,
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  Speaker 2: if it escalates and worsens there, I think we potentially
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  Speaker 2: could still see the insurrection at what it's worth. I've
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  Speaker 2: been calling for a Joe on my show. I've been
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  Speaker 2: calling for the insurrection out there. I think it's a
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  Speaker 2: very good fit for we're currently seeing in Minneapolis, and
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  Speaker 2: for that matter, in other parts across the country. Well.
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  Speaker 1: I think that it closely mirrors what happened in Los
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  Speaker 1: Angeles in the early nineties of the Rodney King riots
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  Speaker 1: and George Herbert Walker Bush right Ley so went in
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  Speaker 1: there and protected the civil rights of regular Americans who
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to be involved in that. People getting pulled
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  Speaker 1: out of those guy's name Reginald Denny got pulled out
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  Speaker 1: of a truck and got a brick to the face.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that the president could have done this,
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  Speaker 1: but I almost I wonder. We keep saying he's playing
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  Speaker 1: three D or forty chess. Do you do this to
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  Speaker 1: prove that Walls was in fact telling the police don't help,
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  Speaker 1: because all of a sudden the police are helping. They
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  Speaker 1: didn't the entire time, they didn't for the entirety of
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  Speaker 1: ICE and CBP and DHS and HSI being there. Now
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden there are arresting protesters at hotels.
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  Speaker 1: That was telling to me, I mean legally speaking. Can
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  Speaker 1: you now go in court and say, well, the boss
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  Speaker 1: must have been saying don't help, because all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: when he got an agreement with Trump, he started helping.
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  Speaker 1: I mean literally must have been told the police to
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  Speaker 1: stand down.
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  Speaker 2: No, you could, I mean again, depends on what the
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  Speaker 2: exact church we're talking about here is. Look, as a
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  Speaker 2: matter of kind of federalism one oh one here is
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  Speaker 2: more or less how this works. You are not allowed
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  Speaker 2: to simply say that federal law does not apply here.
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  Speaker 2: And this is a very basic rudimentary but extremely important
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  Speaker 2: and extremely relevant point. I was listening to Keith Ellison,
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  Speaker 2: the Attorney General of Minnesota. I was reading. I was
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  Speaker 2: listening to him read off his new legal complaint that
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  Speaker 2: he and Jacob Pry the Twin Cities mayors, that they
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  Speaker 2: have now done against Christy Nome, DHS and administration. And
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  Speaker 2: I was listening to this about two we can have two,
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  Speaker 2: two weeks ago whenever it was, and I heard Keith
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  Speaker 2: Ellison say, state's rights, the Tenth Amendments, we have our
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  Speaker 2: states sovereignty. The federal government does not belong here. And Joe,
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  Speaker 2: I'm watching this, and I'll think to myself, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you put a fix of an accent on this guy,
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  Speaker 2: Heath Amendment cites Rott's mullification the federal I mean, like
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  Speaker 2: holy mold. I mean this is literally the reincarnation of
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  Speaker 2: John C. Calhoun. I mean, this is just fourteen forties.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Civil War. I mean if thank god,
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  Speaker 2: we haven't had six hundred thousand men who have died yet.
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  Speaker 2: But you can, at a basic level, you cannot say
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  Speaker 2: that federal law does not apply. That's the supremacy clause.
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  Speaker 2: Barbicle Sick is the constitution. That's that's the president set
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  Speaker 2: and established by the Civil War itself, by century of
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  Speaker 2: Jim Crow Etca. Okay, so you definitely can't do that. Now.
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  Speaker 2: What you are allowed to do, for the most part,
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  Speaker 2: is you are allowed to say that we are not
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  Speaker 2: going to deploy our resources, which by definition their scarcity resources,
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  Speaker 2: we have limited abilities. You're not necessarily compelled to say
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  Speaker 2: that we are going to assist you when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to the enforcement of federal law. Here is where another
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  Speaker 2: thing comes in though, and what I've been saying, I've
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  Speaker 2: been calling for this for essentially the past year or so,
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  Speaker 2: is to me what I would do if I were
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  Speaker 2: the Truministration, if I were pambin a DOJ, if I
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  Speaker 2: were christ Noman DHS, I would say, Okay, guess what
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  Speaker 2: you want to play that game, Let's play it. Here's
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  Speaker 2: what the federal government can do. The DOJ, in particular,
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  Speaker 2: gives massive block grants funding every year to municipal police departments,
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  Speaker 2: to police departments all across the country. There's a core
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  Speaker 2: case from the late nineteen days at Supreme Corps called
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  Speaker 2: South Dakota versus Dole, which basically says that it is
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  Speaker 2: indeed constitutional for Congress to either threaten to withhold or
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  Speaker 2: to outright withhold funding from the states on the condition
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  Speaker 2: that the states agree to assist the federal government in
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  Speaker 2: the enforcement of a law as long as there is
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  Speaker 2: a nexus, there's a connection between the withheld funds to
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  Speaker 2: the policy pursuit. Well, that's happening here. You can threaten
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  Speaker 2: to withhold funding to local police departments on the condition
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  Speaker 2: that they assist the Feds when it comes to actual
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  Speaker 2: immigration and forcement there. So I've been waiting for that
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  Speaker 2: for a long time. Haven't quite seen it yet there.
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  Speaker 2: I really hope that. Frankly, that's something that Pam bondi
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  Speaker 2: Christy nome consider. But in any event your points, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it does seem like, again, I don't really
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  Speaker 2: buy that the role is necessarily cooperating right now, but
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  Speaker 2: they seem to be cooperating at least in a more
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  Speaker 2: helpful capacity than they were earlier this month there, and
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  Speaker 2: that potentially could be damn you for them, depending the
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  Speaker 2: charging court.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up the Tenth Amendment and the Constitution.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, Josh Hammer could check out the Josh
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  Speaker 1: Hammer Show wherever you can get it. Go and get it.
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  Speaker 1: He's also with the Article three project. The tenth Amendment
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  Speaker 1: basically says, okay, we gave you the first nine. Anything
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  Speaker 1: after this goes back to the states. Now we know
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  Speaker 1: in the Constitution it says all issues of naturalization fall
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  Speaker 1: to the federal government. The federal government has the enforcement
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  Speaker 1: arm ice that is enforcing the laws that were passed
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  Speaker 1: by Reagan, by Clinton, I think did the updated ones,
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  Speaker 1: and that's their job to go in there. If Minnesota
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  Speaker 1: does want to do immigration law. And that argument happened
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  Speaker 1: with SB ten seventy in Arizona some years back with
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  Speaker 1: jan Brewer. Obama literally said, don't enforce immigration law. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to do it. Then he didn't. Actually he actually did.
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  Speaker 1: He did more deporting than many what would pretend he did.
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  Speaker 1: Having said all of that, Minnesota just has to get
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  Speaker 1: out of the way. My problem is that they didn't
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  Speaker 1: get out of the way. They fought this. And if
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  Speaker 1: it turns out Flann again the lieutenant governor is an
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  Speaker 1: administrator on the signal. I don't know if that's true
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  Speaker 1: or not. It's been reported by a couple of outlets.
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  Speaker 1: That's a major problem. Is it that you've got an
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  Speaker 1: elected official that not only isn't getting out of the way,
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  Speaker 1: she's actively trying to stop them. That's a big deal,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, it's a massive deal. I mean, I at a
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  Speaker 2: bare minimum here talking about possible obstruction of justice, obstruction
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  Speaker 2: of an active law enforcement operation investigation. There, there's all
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  Speaker 2: sorts of charges that probably would apply. I saw the
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  Speaker 2: exact same reporting that you did about about Lieutenant Governor
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  Speaker 2: Miss Flannagan being arguably allegedly one of the leaders of
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  Speaker 2: one of these ice Watch anarchists insurrectionist group chats there. Right,
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  Speaker 2: That's that's profoundly troubling stuff. I mean profoundly troubling there.
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  Speaker 2: And you should face consequences for these actions. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you shold absolutely face consequences there. So again, now is
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  Speaker 2: not the time to take the foot off the gas pedal, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: I'm hearing a lot of folks on our side, on
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  Speaker 2: the side of civilizational sanity, on the right, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of folks saying, Okay, you know this is not going well,
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  Speaker 2: let's change your tactics. Oh, I mean, let's just let's
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  Speaker 2: discuss what those tactics are here, right, But you have
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  Speaker 2: to keep the pressure and turn the screws at least
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  Speaker 2: in some ways there, whether that means trying to sue
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  Speaker 2: people like Miss Flanagan, trying to increase pressure on Tim
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  Speaker 2: Walls and local police to actually assist ice in the
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  Speaker 2: enforcement operations there. So whatever tactics must be changed, there
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  Speaker 2: have to be other ways really to apply pressure, because
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  Speaker 2: the optics of this and again the legality of it,
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  Speaker 2: look really, really, really super dubious to me. I'm really
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  Speaker 2: happy by the way that you mentioned the Arizona versus
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  Speaker 2: US case, And by the way, Great Memory SB. Ten
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  Speaker 2: seventy remember it very well. One of my favorite Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court cases. It came out the wrong way Arizona versus
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  Speaker 2: the US. But this case comes out in twenty twelve. Specifically,
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  Speaker 2: what I love, Love Love was the descent from Antonis School.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of my all time favorite Antonin Scali descents there.
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  Speaker 2: And the very basic stance that Scalia takes in is
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  Speaker 2: Arizona the US descend from twenty twelve is he says, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: we have federalism, we have two spheres of sovereignty in
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  Speaker 2: this country. And in that case, you're right. Barack Obama
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  Speaker 2: basically said, we're not going to enforce immigration law there,
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  Speaker 2: and it turns on Arizona to do so. And what
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  Speaker 2: Scalia says is that if Arizona is a sovereign state, okay,
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  Speaker 2: by definition, it has the right to exclude. The right
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  Speaker 2: to exclude actually the very defining feature of what it
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  Speaker 2: means to be a sovereign entity going back hundreds of
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  Speaker 2: years international law. So if Arizona can't enforce the sovereignty,
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  Speaker 2: then it ceases to be a sovereign entity. Well guess what.
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  Speaker 2: The same thing applies for the federal government in some
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  Speaker 2: of these so called sanctuary jurisdictions as well. The exact
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  Speaker 2: same scaleological apply has kind of been reversed if the
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  Speaker 2: federal government cannot apply its own federal law. As you
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  Speaker 2: correctly note, this uniform rule of naturalization is an Article one,
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  Speaker 2: section eight, the Numerate of Power of the Congress. There
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  Speaker 2: is a two hundred plus your history of federal immigration
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  Speaker 2: law in this country. If the Feds cannot enforce immigration law,
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  Speaker 2: then just like Arizona and the scleidascent, then the federal
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  Speaker 2: government ceases to be a sovereign entity. So that's basically
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  Speaker 2: how I see it. And yeah, I mean there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of explains to do when it comes to Tim Wallas,
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  Speaker 2: I mean these outrageous comparisons that as you alluded to,
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  Speaker 2: kind of and Frank I mean, I mean, I mean
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  Speaker 2: he's referred to Ice as Gestapo. It's beyond that. It's disgusting,
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  Speaker 2: it's beyond defensive. I mean Larry Krasner, the Philadelphia DA
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  Speaker 2: just yesterday talking about how Ice are a bunch of Nazis,
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  Speaker 2: literally on International Holocaust Remembrance Day, by the way, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: just it's six six sick demendus stuff they should pay
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  Speaker 2: a price.
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  Speaker 1: For it is Josh Hammer Article three Project. Josh Wi's
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  Speaker 1: the name of the book.
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  Speaker 2: The book is Israel and Civilization, the fate of the
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  Speaker 2: Jewish Nation and the destiny of the West.
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  Speaker 1: Go and get it right now. So let's talk about
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  Speaker 1: your Second Amendment rights. I've got my license to carry
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  Speaker 1: here in Texas. I've got five guns very near to
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  Speaker 1: me right now, and I carry all the time. I've
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  Speaker 1: never carried a gun into what I knew was going
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  Speaker 1: to be a tracking down of federal authorities. I've never
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  Speaker 1: carried a gun when I decided I would want to
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  Speaker 1: mix it up on the side of the road with
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  Speaker 1: a federal authority. But let's talk specifically about whether I
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  Speaker 1: have the right to bring the gun as I walk around.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think you and I would agree that
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  Speaker 1: I do. But if you're there for nefarious reasons. And
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  Speaker 1: this guy a week earlier, this guy Preddie who's now dead,
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  Speaker 1: a week earlier, had a rid broken because he was
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  Speaker 1: mixing it up with ice again just a week early.
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  Speaker 1: What are the legalities of carrying a gun knowing that
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  Speaker 1: you intend to take part in something that's less than
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  Speaker 1: a peaceable protest.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So I'm glad you brought up this video.
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  Speaker 2: So so this video, I actually just learned about it
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  Speaker 2: over the past day or so. It's a fairly new revelation.
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  Speaker 2: By the way. By the way, this is one of
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  Speaker 2: the million reasons why you don't react necessarily in real
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  Speaker 2: time when something happens. I mean, we saw this just
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  Speaker 2: with the Renee Good shooting a couple of weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: You got a lot of people say, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: this shooting was not justified. There, Oh my god, Renee
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  Speaker 2: Good was gonna turn the vehicle away from the officer.
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  Speaker 2: And then then we saw that second camera shot, and
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: then we learned that John. Then we saw that Jonathan
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: Ross the Ice agents. Oh wait, his hip was hit.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: He had internal bleeding. He gets to be hospitalized alt
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: hit on the vehicle. So you know, for all the
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: idiots AOC mam Donnie, they're all saying bloody murder. I mean,
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: bite your tongue. I mean, maybe wait for some more information,
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: coud before calling your fellow Americans bloody murderers. There so
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: to here when it comes to mister pretty, this video
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: just reservices again. I saw fairly recently for the first time.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: There he was dusting it up. There, he was kicking
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: this ice vehicle, and he got he got broken ray
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: as a result of his own He was the one
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: who instigated. He was the one who escalated that alter
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: cation a couple weeks ago with Ice. So okay, first
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: of all, the fact that you had that instance a
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: week or two ago and then you go back to
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: do it again while bringing your your loaded firearm. Joe
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: like you, I'm a big gun guy. Actually, you and
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: I have more in common than I think either. It
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: was probably realized. I also have a Texas concealed carry license.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: I used to do in Texas in Florida. Now I
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: also conceal carry every single day of my life. I
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: am very much a big gun. Guys. One of my
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: most passionate issues actually evolved the issues out there. But
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: guess what, there's also a thing called common sense. The
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: thing called common sense. When you know that you're going
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: to rough it up with federal agents, maybe just maybe
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: don't take your gun. I mean, look about a year
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: and a half ago, I got lunch in downtown Miami
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: at the imitation of a federal judge here. I won't
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: name his name for privacy, but I was gonna lunch
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: at the judge me with his law clerks there. Guess
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: what I didn't do when I walked into the federal courthouse, mavring.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: I didn't bring my gun because I'm not an idiot.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not an idiot, but I want us marshals to
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: freak out. I mean a thing called common sense of
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: prudence that that really is getting lost in this debate there.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: You have every right in the world to carry your
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: weapon on the sidewalk. You want to go there, hold
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: your dumb Soros Foundation Ties Foundation funded signs, abolish ice
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: and DHS whatever. I mean, fine, you want to do that,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: you want to chant whatever you want there. You know,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: you with their firearm. That's fine. You have a secondment
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: right to carry that there. You have a first man
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: right to stand on that sidewalk. What you don't have
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: a right to do is to disrupt an ongoing, extant,
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: active federal law enforcements operation. You don't have that right
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: whether you're armed or you're not armed. But if you're armed,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: I think officers are probably going to be pretty suspicious
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: and they're probably going to ask similar to what happened
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: this past week in Minnesota.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: But we had really dumb comparisons to Kyle Rittenhouse. You
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: and I both know Kyle Rittenhouse goes there with his rifle.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: He's protecting businesses. He says he was exonerated in court,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: by the way, but he shot people that were attacking him,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: and then when law enforcement approached, he actually went to
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: law enforcement. He had the gun pointed down and his
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: hands up. That's a very different situation than somebody carrying
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: a concealed weapon who's there to again mix it up.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: We saw this guy had a history of mixing it up,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: and it turns out he might have been on some
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: of these ice watch you know, signal groups as well.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: I mean it's a very very different thing. But the
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: comparison is, oh, you guys are cool with this he's
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: killing people in the streets, but you're not cool with
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: this guy exercising his Second Amendment if you don't mind
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: legally speaking, comparing contrast those two, just to put that
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: to bed.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Sure, So Kyle Rittenhouse is there essentially as a civilian.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny, Joe, we actually have to this
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: day the United States militia on the books. So the
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Second Amendment reads a well regulated militia being necessary to
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: security of free safety, right with the people to keep
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: him their arms shall not be in fringe. I'm pretty
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: sure that's verbatim, but it's very close for viatim. If not,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: it is believe or not. We actually have the militia defined.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: It's entitled ten I Believe of the US Code, and
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: the militia is defined as all able bodied males between
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: the ages of eighteen to something in your forties.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: It's US. I'm so glad you said this. People get
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: confused the militia is US.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, militia. The militia inside memend is literally defined under
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: the US Code, like we have the actual statutory definition
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: it's basically able bodied younger men. So I don't remember
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: exactly how old Kyle Ridenhouse was. He might have even
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: been legally part of the militia. Even if he wasn't
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: legally part of it, he was proverbally part of the militia,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: which goes back literally to the Revolutionary War era. It's
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: this notion that you don't have to rely necessarily on
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: your local bad police officers to help your fellow citizens
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: in a state of anarchic decay. He was acting effectively
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: as a good samaritan, trying to protect private propit, trying
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: to protect endangered lives that were being put in the
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: crosshairs of this violent, fiery, but mostly peaceful percy and
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: n mob that was happening there in Wisconsin. That is very,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: very different than someone again trying to walk up to
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: and to get in the face of federal agents who
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: are trying to enforce law. Back in twenty twenty, you
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: had Black Lives manner and TIFA anarchists that were looting, vandalizing,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: burning cities down ultimately to the tune of roughly two
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: billion dollars in insurance claims, one of the largest mass
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: insurance payouts in American history. Actually, that's very, very different.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: And the folks in Minnesota who are federal agents trying
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: to deport mostly frankly criminal aliens who are rapists and
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: gang bangers and traffickers and transnational thugs. That's who they're
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: trying to deport. For the most part of Minnesota. There
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: so preddy getting in the way of that. Very very
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: different than Brittenhouse in twenty twenty trying to protect the
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: local mom pop shop against this angry, frothing, fiery mom.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: He's got a great show. It's called the Josh Hammer
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Show named after him. It's Josh Hammer. Go and get
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: to any books that he writes, Go and check out
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: everything that he does. Let me ask you about the
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: the I think it's a mission of diversion in Minnesota.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: You had the fraud that you've mentioned over and over again.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Nick surely uncovered some of it. It could be nine billion,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: could be eighteen billion, could be many more billions on
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: top of that, and suddenly that's off the front page
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: because Ice is the Gestapo. So that's a diversion by Walls. Clearly,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: he drops out of running for reelection because of all
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: the fraud. As you alluded to. But let's talk now
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: about elan Omar, who last night is giving a town
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: hall meeting in front of a very small group of people.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Somehow a guy gets in the front seat because he didn't
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: have to go through any security at all, and has
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: a syringe filled with some liquid, jumps up when she
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: talks about forcing christinom to resign or to abolish ice
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: or whatever else, and yells you should resign, and then
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: spraise her with this which I think has been identified
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: as apple cider vinegar. Now she not only doesn't run
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: away screaming, she's not scared whatsoever, and in fact, she
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: runs after the guy with her her fist puce. She
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: couldna punch the guy. I guess, gonna show how tough
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: she is. Josh, I think it was a diversion. I
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: can say that's my opinion by watching all the angles.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense by any measure. But we're
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: constantly talking currently, I should say, talking about is she
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: really here legally? Did she change her birth date? Did
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: she marry her biological brother to get him here? Do
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: we know exactly how she gained thirty million dollars in
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: wealth in a short amount of time? Now suddenly the
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: left is going to be focused on what the legacy
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: meanty is gonna be focused on what this thing that
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: happened last night, your thoughts about a possible connection? I mean,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: am I nuts? Or suddenly we're talking about her being attacked.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: We're not talking about all the possible problems that she has.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Joe had to say, I was really enjoying a conversation.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: But man, the fact that you don't take ilan omar
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: a had her word. Man, I'm gonna have to piece
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: out of claw. Look, this is a woman who, as
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: you say, increase her net worth from essentially pennies to
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: tens of millions dollars in wealth. This is a woman
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: who infamously said about nine to eleven that some people
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: did something and we're all not the victims, referring to
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: American muscles. I mean, there's a million other outrageous things
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: outrageously as correcting she is, she's all but assuredly here
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: illegally due to the immigration frau with her brother and
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: the marriage and all that there. It's nuts. The notion
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: that we should take this woman at her word, I
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: think I think it's patently insane. She totally does not
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: react to your point the way that a normal person react,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: by the way I've been in situations where I've actually
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: been giving a speech and someone kind of runs up.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: It's actually happened to me about two years ago at
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the University of Michigan. I was giving a speech after
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: October seventh, one of these pro Hamas protesters kind of
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: started running off thise Ccurity guy intervenes, it's a little terrifying.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, like you see someone kind of running at you,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: it's not a great feeling. You definitely don't react by
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: just trying to like run right back at him and
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: trying to punch a fist. That that's not human instinct.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I've been there, I've done that. I've seen that exact feeling.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: And then she kind of plays the victim card right about, how,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: oh my god, look at this bigotry against me there.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: So yes, I don't buy it either. I very much
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: do not buy it either. Maybe you and I are
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: both conspiracy theorists. I don't actually buy it. Frankly for
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: a second. There's another element here though, as well, which
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: is this does play directly into into the media narrative.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: In the media, as you as you say is making
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Eleanor mar out to be the victim that she is
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: trying to make herself the victim here. But you know,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, where where were these people when when my
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: friend Charlie Kirk was murdered? At best they were silent,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: and worst they were cheering it on. Where are they?
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Where were they when Donald Trump was was nearly killed
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: literally within millimeters having his life ended on national TV?
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Same thing. At best they were silent, and worst they
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: were cheering on. Actually, at worst they probably were were
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: bumped that the assassin didn't didn't actually hit his target somewhat.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna have this moral outrage.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Look if this individual, if there's an investigation, and it's
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: a fair and partial investigation, he actually was trying to
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: do I mean, what does apples cider Vin and Griebing do.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, if he was actually trying to
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: harm her, temporarily buying her disruptivision whatever, they're then fine,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: you know, press charges as appropriate there, But I'm just
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: not buying it for a second. I think you and
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I are on the exact same pitchion.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: What we are, and it's I think she's got a problem,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: and maybe you can. You can talk about this this
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: as well. Eighteen Usc. The eight Usc thirteen What the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: hell is it? I've got it in front of me.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Eighteen Usc. Three fifty one E. Eighteen Usc. Three fifty
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: one C or E. This is actually a federal statue
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: that if you attack a member of Congress, it's a
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: federal violation of law. It's a federal crime. I think
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: she's screwed up because they charge this guy with third
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: degree assault or something in Minnesota. The locals did, I
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: don't know. Tell me you think about this. I think
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Cash Pettel, Pam BONDI I think the DJ Harmeat Dyllon
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: should look into this statute. A federal crime was committed
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: against the congress woman last night. That means the Trump
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: administration should investigate this, and if they do, I think
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: we'll get a real answer. What do you think about
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: that this is literally a federal crime.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: So it would be it would be a potential olive branch.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I guess if you're trying to kind of do this
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: this de esflation maneuver from the Feds to the state
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: of Minnesota.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: There.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I suspect the reason, Joe that they rushed out to
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: get a state level indictment is probably because they don't
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: trust cash Hotel, they don't trust Pamboni, they don't trust
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: treministration there, and they want a left wing probably a
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Soros funded prosecutor or someone like that, to try to
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: enforce one of these crimes to protect their very precious
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: ilhan Omar there. So that that would be my best
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: guest there. But you know, Minnesota is basically a failed state.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, I look at Minnesota and I see I
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: see a bastion of insurrection. I see a bastion of
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: outrageous fraud. I see a place where a third world's
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: culture of Somalis has taken over large swaths. I mean,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I see a total failed state. So personally, as an American,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: as a lawyer, as a non Minnesota I don't trust
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: local Minnesota authorities for a second when it comes to
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: something like this, I would much prefer much prefer cash Mittel,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Pamboni and the FEDS to take it over. Your statue
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: strikes me intuitively as fitting the bill quite nicely there,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: so I think they'll be a very nice move there.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: But my guess as to why the state prosecutorial office
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: at so quickly there is, probably because again this is
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: going to be a very left wing prosecutor there, They're
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: going to want to make a symbolic statement probably of
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Trent and protect ilen Omar there, I frankly do again,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: assuming that this was not all stage, which we will
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: find out there, but maybe even even at this stage,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: which would be super conspiratorial. But at least if it's
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: not stage, I have a bad feeling that this guy
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: is probably going to get some charges against her, because
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: again it's kind of just the whole dog and pony show,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Protect the precious, protect illin omer Well.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I perhaps was being too cute when I brought this up.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Eighteen USC. Three fifty one e is a federal statute
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: making it a federal crime to attack a member of Congress.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: My assertion is, I'd love to see the federal currently
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: go and investigate this. They can, literally, by a statute
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: go take over the investigation, because I think there's a
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: good chance she faked it. So I would love for
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Cash Pateel to come in and check it out and
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: harme Dylon and Pam Bondy and President Trump and Milania
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and you and me. I think that everybody who's got
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: a brain should go in there and should go investigate
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: what really happened. I don't want the locals to give
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: her an opportunity to say it's a third degree assault,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: no big deal, to throw him in the county lock
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: up for a couple of weeks, because pictures are showing
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: up with him with a bunch of blue haired idiots.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Pictures are showing up with him holding up gang signs also,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and these aren't AI. I checked it with groc These
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: are real pictures. So I think there's a there's a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: good chance, in my opinion, my very humble, non lawyer opinion,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: that this is staged. And the way we find out
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: is she just opened Pandora's box and said, hey, fed's
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: a federal crime just happened to me. Come on in
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: and investigate. I think that would tell us whether it's
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: a conspiracy or or if she did in fact get attacked.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I well argued, I don't think I disagree
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: with a single word that you just said. Well, the
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: locals are going to throw the book at this guy.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: They're going to do whatever they can to try to
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: make sure that the pr war, the propaganda war as
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: to who is in the right here between the FEDS
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: trench enforced immigration law trying to get to the bottom
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: of the smally fraud scandal on the one hand, versus
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: the Minnesota Democrats who are trying to defy immigration law
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: and trying to commit fraud on a very large scale.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: The media and the prosecutors in Minnesota, they want to
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: do everything they can to side with the latter and
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: not with the former. So yes, it would be a
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: very very shrewd move probably for Cash, Mattel and Pambani
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: to do exactly what you're saying that they ought to do. Now.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: It also might have the additional intended effect of potentially
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: trying trying it, at least optically optically to try to
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: put in this good faith effort to try to hold
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: this guy accountable. But again, at the evidence point, if
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: the evidence points towards what you're suggesting, that he was
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: there with a bunch of blue haired, pink care weirdos
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: with the whole abolished ice signs there, if this looks
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: like he's a plant there, then the truth ultimately will
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: come out if the Feds take it over there, and
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: the truth itself, frankly, would be very valuable in this situation.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Because it would do a tremendous amount of thing to
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: impeach on Omar's credibility. That credibility is frankly shot as
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned, But at least for those who
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: who haven't necessarily seen seen through the facade the veneer
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: of villain Omar, this definitely would go a long way
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: towards that as well. So it's a very nice gestion, Joe.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I hope it happens actually.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Well, well, and at the end of the day, I
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: hope that they don't stop investigating her naturalization. I hope
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: they don't stop investigating her birth date, which allegedly could
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: not be really her birth date. I hope they don't
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: stop investigating the marrying the brother. I hope they don't
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: stop investigating somebody who has made a bunch of money.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: You don't know how, so, I mean, I think that's
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: the intention here, whether it was real or not. And
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I hope, I hope to god we find out sooner
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: than later. Do you think the DJ is going to
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: back off of her? Do you think they're just gonna
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: keep on full steam ahead? Oh?
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's full steam ahead. I mean, this administration,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Joe has not been afraid to press charges, to to
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: to seek grandeury indictmonds, even in very high profile cases
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: where the left views it as political prosecution. Political persecution,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean they have pursued indictments against against Jim,
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  Speaker 2: call me against Tis James. I mean, so you Ilinamar
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  Speaker 2: if it's very nicely into you know, in here. But
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  Speaker 2: the evidence is Ilinamar, as far as I can tell,
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  Speaker 2: is pretty overwhelming. I've really never seen anyone actually attempt
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  Speaker 2: substantively to combat the immigration fraud allegation. I mean, Elinomar
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  Speaker 2: basically reacts when it's brought up. She typically just ignores
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  Speaker 2: the interviewer, and now when she dangs to respond, she
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  Speaker 2: basically just says, oh, you're islamophobic, you're racist, or this,
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  Speaker 2: you're that there. But I mean the paperwork, the paperwork,
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  Speaker 2: at least that I've seen, seems to indicate that she
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  Speaker 2: married her brother to get here and what about it there,
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  Speaker 2: And you can't do that, you can't do that there.
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  Speaker 2: So no, I don't think that the fens are going
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  Speaker 2: to back off this there. And frankly, what you're suggesting
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  Speaker 2: a thing would only be additional grist to adge that investigation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe, the show is that everywhere you get your
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  Speaker 1: I love it, Josh. I always appreciate the knowledge of
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