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2024 Presidential Debate LIVE — Trump vs. Harris · Man in America Podcast

• 5:11
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. And tonight, folks, we have a very special watch party. We have the presidential debate between president Donald j Trump and Kamala Harris. Now I did a watch party for the last debate with Trump and Biden, which ended up you know, even though it was a part of a a multi, multi pronged operation, it seems like it ended up really shifting the entire trajectory of the presidency and the potential, you know, who who's gonna be running for the Democrats, and we saw a massive shift up to that.
• 5:50
  Now my belief is that it was all planned, that they were intentionally lining things up, and the final step to pulling Joe Biden out of the of the race was to actually allow the American people to see his his actual cognitive status, and I think that folks saw that. Now it's interesting, and I can say going into this, debate with Trump and, Harris, it's, yeah, it's it's strange, and and I don't I don't know what to think, actually. And I didn't even really prepare an intro. I I've got about, you know, ten minutes or so before the show started, and I purposely didn't think through what I wanted to talk about because I wanted just to give you my raw reaction to where things are at because I okay. From a few few angles looking at the debate itself, like, think that Trump will probably do quite well.
• 6:45
  I mean, he's just he he's sharp. He's a sharp guy. He does well in these situations. He's a performer. He's used to being in front of the camera.
• 6:54
  He loves it. You're right. He's a he's used to being a celebrity. Now with Kamala, it's just interesting because I I don't know what to expect. Right?
• 7:03
  I've seen there's a lot of rumors and whispers going around saying that she has the the the questions already. I can't say whether that would matter, actually. The only real press interview she's done is she she did the interview. I think it was with CNN, but it was with Waltz with her. And I think it was an hour long interview that was cut down to eighteen minutes, so a lot of stuff was cut out.
• 7:25
  And I just don't know. I'm I just yeah. I'm just not sure what to expect or nor am I really sure how this debate affects the outcome in November because we're not playing in a fair system. I mean, that should have been obvious if you watched what happened in 2020, if you watched what happened in 2022. We're up against a rigged system.
• 7:47
  Now the question the question is that is can the system still be rigged if enough people are, a, aware of the rigging and, b, don't want what the rigged outcome would become? Right? So if you go back to 2020, though I I think that the numbers were heavily skewed, I I still think that in 2020, there were a lot more people in America that hated Donald Trump and therefore wanted Joe Biden to be in office. Not to mention, at that time, the media had an ironclad grip on the the public narrative. A lot of folks were glued to the TVs because of COVID, and so they're glued just watching the death counter on CNN or whatever channel they're watching.
• 8:35
  And so the the strength of the propaganda, especially here in America, was very, very strong in 2020. And I really it feels like they between the election twenty twenty and COVID, that that was, like, the last ditch effort. That was the final move was that election and then COVID. And then here we are now, and, honestly, the the sense that I get just looking around is that the the cabal, the deep state, whatever you wanna refer to them as, you know, some may call them the lizard people. You know, there's all kinds of different ideas about this stuff.
• 9:16
  But fundamentally, though, the feeling that I get is that the evil in this world is not nearly as strong as it was. And I think there's a lot of reasons behind that. One of the big reasons, I think, is that the evil gains its strength through the public not knowing about it, right, through deception. Right? Satan's a father of lies.
• 9:37
  And so his strength, I I really believe lied lied, lied. There you go. In the fact that most people did not see through what was actually happening in the world. And they thought that, know, they might look around and think, you know what? This world's got a little more evil and turn on Netflix, and there's these loose Lucifer shows, and it's this glorification of serial killers.
• 10:01
  And, you know, so people, I think, were sensing that things were a little bit off, but now, like, now it's very different. Now your average American, you say, hey. You know, how's the country doing? Like, oh, yeah. It's it's a communist overthrow, and we're we're two steps away from being, you know, communist China, and Satan's just running amok, and it's a battle of good and evil.
• 10:20
  And, I mean, it's this is much more part of the public discourse right now. And if you also look at the ratings, you look at CNN ratings, you look at the mainstream media, even Fox News, their ratings are plummeting. So people aren't tuning into them anymore. So what happens, know, if if we look at the modern day totalitarian system that's controlling, it must control people's minds. Right?
• 10:45
  If you look at China as an example, the great firewall, they had they do so much to restrict and to censor, everything that's being talked about to make sure they only get the government narrative. But even censorship, it's like they want you to think that censorship is is protecting the truth from the lie. Right? Like, oh, okay. No.
• 11:08
  We're gonna censor this information because we're protecting you from the lies. We're giving you the truth. We're protecting you from the lies. But in all reality, what censorship is doing is that it's protecting the lie from the truth because it's their what they're what they're putting out there. It's just one giant lie.
• 11:25
  It's a mountain of lies. And so censorship allows them to make sure that those that the truth does not come in because when the truth comes in, it destroys all the lies. And so if you look at where we're at right now, I mean, you look just what's happened. Right? Let's take a look back what's happened since 2020.
• 11:43
  Right? Elon Musk has bought Twitter. Right? That's a major deal because Twitter is, you know, I I really look at Twitter as being the the public town hall. Right?
• 11:53
  It is the the public square where everyone's talking, and the conversations on Twitter are are driving, you know, national, international, just movements. I mean, it's incredible what's happened. Whether you trust Elon or not, you you can't argue the against the fact that there's now this massive amount of information that's reaching the mainstream. Like, my mom is probably watching right now. She's I I I got hooked up on Twitter a little while ago, and now she's sending me tweets all the time.
• 12:20
  And she's like, look at this tweet. Look at this. And it's information before that I'd be talking about on a show, and she'd say, Seth, like, how do you know all this information? Where you know, it's like, well, a lot of that get off of Twitter actually because there's so much information there. So the the the the narrative is is really changed, and it's it's broken.
• 12:38
  So if you look at, again, what's happened since 2020 to 2024, obviously, we've seen this collapse in mainstream media. We've seen a a massive opening up in speech online. Right? You have platforms like Rumble, kudos to Rumble. You have Elon Musk's x.
• 12:54
  You've got a lot of other initiatives. You know, Brighteon with Mike Adams. You know, Band. Video with Alex Jones. There's all kinds of different media, platforms that allow people like me to get this show out.
• 13:05
  I mean, we're and and every month, we're we're now reaching millions of people every month with Man America, which is incredible. It's it's absolutely it's great. I think our I think August I think it was August. It was a record month. I think that we hit, like, 3,700,000 views on on, you know, for the Man in America show, which is great.
• 13:24
  I mean, it's it's amazing, but it shows that people are seeking information outside of the mainstream narrative. And so when you look at that, you look at just what's happened in the last four years. You look at what's happened with the border. Even even the most recent event with what's happened with the Haitians in Springfield and and the reality of it that, yes, these people are sacrificing cats and who knows what else. You can see the mainstream media, they're trying to cover it up and, you know, Kamala, these videos of her.
• 13:54
  I think Trump just recently shared a video of her bragging about bringing, you know, bringing the Haitians in and and protecting them. So the whole the whole narrative is flip flopped. And and my if you were to ask me, if you say, Seth, what do you think right now? If if if the votes were cast and they were counted accurately, you know, what do you think would be be the outcome of the election? Honestly, I think that right now, without any kind of shenanigans, I think that it's probably somewhere around 75 to 25, maybe seventy thirty.
• 14:28
  Right? That that Trump legitimately has that much support from the American people. And one of the reason being is that people are suffering. Right? I mean, you can have your ideals.
• 14:38
  You can have your virtue signaling. You can have your your ideas about, you know, what you think, how you think the world should operate. And a lot of those ideas, I think, you know, come in through communism and cultural Marxism. But when you can no longer afford groceries and you can't afford to put gas in your car and you can't afford to heat your home and you're actually having this conversation with your wife and saying, gosh, do we buy groceries, or do we pay our heating bill? Like, this like, it doesn't matter what your ideals are.
• 15:05
  It's like Mike Tyson. Think he said, everyone gets has a plan to get punched in the face. Well, America has been punched in the face, and America has suffered more in the past couple of years, I would say, than a lot of us can remember in our lifetimes. Like, I grew up. I was born in the eighties.
• 15:21
  Eighties were great. Nineties were amazing. Early two thousands were fantastic. I mean, what we've seen the last five years, it's like most of my life was very different than this, and this is what all most Americans are going through. And so as we come around this debate, I'm just really I'm really curious.
• 15:37
  Like, I I don't have a lot of expectations. I think, again, Trump will do well. I'm not sure how Kamala will do. I haven't seen her in these, like, high pressure instances very much. We've seen a few different video clips of her speaking at a rally, and there's protesters yelling and whatnot.
• 15:52
  And she and she seems to get real kind of tense and nervous, but we'll see. We'll see. I mean, it's I think we'll be witnessing history. That's for sure. And I'm glad that you're all here with me.
• 16:03
  Actually, we've got, yeah, quite the crowd here on on on Rumble. Thank you for being here. Let me know in the comments where you're from. That's I'd I'd love to see that. I I'm I was born and raised in Ohio.
• 16:14
  I used to be in Ohio. I'm now in a different state, but we moved. But I don't tell anybody where we're at because I had people showing up in my house in Ohio. Like, I'm I'm and I lived out, like, in the middle of nowhere. I lived in some, you know, some kind of random town, you know, an hour outside of Columbus.
• 16:30
  And I had I literally had people showing up and saying, is this where man America lives? So I decided to keep my my location a little more secret than that. I am in The United States. I I'm I'm in the Continental United States. I'll tell you that much.
• 16:41
  So, anyway, let's go ahead and I'm gonna tune in here. Let's see what's happening over on. We're watching Fox's debate coverage.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Change. This is a change election in that New
• 16:50
  Seth Holehouse: York poll.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: 91% said they want change, including 61% want major change. Six in 10 say Donald Trump is an agent of change. Only three in 10 say she is. So change and moderation, if he can hold those two positions and she doesn't make gains on that, she's coming from behind on those. Does
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: she have the ability to telegraph change when she's the sitting vice president? Yeah. Absolutely. She is not Joe Biden. And she does it.
• 17:12
  She's younger. She has fresher ideas. And Donald Trump on that stage will own the old candidate mantle that Joe Biden had in the last debate. Don't forget Kamala Harris was also endorsed this week by conservative Republican former vice president Dick.
• 17:25
  Seth Holehouse: I don't wanna listen to this lady.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Something democrats War criminal. In my lifetime never would
• 17:30
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. So okay. So we're not there yet. Okay. I'll I'll I'll wait.
• 17:34
  I'm looking at some of the comments on Rumble. It's it's great. So I got someone from Duluth, Minnesota, Louisiana, Ohio. I've got a lot of folks from Ohio, which is really, really great. Let's see.
• 17:45
  South Carolina, Russellville, Arkansas, New York City, TG Nation o five three o. You know, good for you, man, for being in or woman for being in New York City. I lived there for a lot of my adult life. I've I've been there recently, and, yeah, I do not miss it. I do not miss it.
• 18:04
  Yeah. I've got Amanda from Ohio, Patriot Bird from Ohio. Good to see you here. It's wonderful to see you here. Steven, also from Ohio, someone from Washington State.
• 18:14
  So it just it's great seeing everyone from around the world here, and it's it's like a family. It really is. You know, Washington State, awakened grandma Bear. There you go. You know, those are my fighting words.
• 18:25
  Awakened grandma Bear. Sonora, Cal you know, California, good for you for for for standing strong. So yeah. But, I mean, I'm curious. Let me know what what you think in in the the comments, what you think about just the state of the country.
• 18:40
  Because honestly, I mean and actually, I want here's why I want here's the question. Okay. Here's I want you to comment. Let me know what you think your percentage is. Okay?
• 18:47
  So tell me what. If if every if the vote was cast right now and every single vote was hand counted and it was fair and we truly saw what the American public wanted to have happen in this election, what do you think it would be? Again, I think my my my number is at around 75 to 25, but I I really wanna see, what you have to you have to say here. Loud and crazy Steve who says, Seth has made a secret underground bunker he made that can that can house all of his followers. I wish.
• 19:18
  I wish I had. Though, I am I am looking into underground bunker type stuff. I won't lie. Oh, gosh. Lenny Marsh, Ecuador raised in Ohio.
• 19:30
  Wow. I actually I spent I spent, like, like, a two weeks in Ecuador. I went to Quito and Guayaquil and all over the place down there. Michigan, Massachusetts, Perth, Australia. There's lot of Aussies here.
• 19:41
  Maybe because because my my wife is an Australian. So, anyway, let's let's just, hop back over to Fox News and see what's going on over there. They're they're walking through how it would work. Let's
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: microphones will only be turned on when it's their turn to speak. No prewritten notes allowed. There is no audience here tonight in this hall at the National Constitution Center. This is an intimate setting for two candidates who have never met.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: President Trump won the coin toss. He chose to deliver the final closing statement of the evening. Vice president Harris selected the podium to the right.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: So let's now welcome the candidates to the stage. Vice president Kamala Harris and president Donald Trump.
• 20:23
  Seth Holehouse: Guys, this is so strange.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, it's up to debate.
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: She. Have fun. Thank you.
• 20:30
  Seth Holehouse: So weird. No crowd.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: To have you. It's an honor to have you both here tonight.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: Good evening. We are looking forward to a spirited and thoughtful debate.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: So let's get started. I wanna begin tonight with the issue that voters repeatedly say is their number one issue, and that is the economy and the cost of living in this country. Vice president Harris, you and president Trump were elected four years ago, and your opponent on the stage here tonight often asks his supporters, are you better off than you were four years ago? When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: So I was raised as a middle class kid, and I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a a shortage of of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people.
• 21:32
  We know that young families need support to raise their children, and I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time, so that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually my mother raised my sister and me, but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner.
• 22:04
  I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5,000,000,000,000 to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump's sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that that Trump sales tax would actually result for middle class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: President Trump, I'll give you two minutes.
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: First of all, I have no sales tax. That's an incorrect statement. She knows that. We're doing tariffs on other countries. Other countries are gonna finally, after seventy five years, pay us back for all that we've done for the world, and the tariff will be substantial in some cases.
• 23:17
  I took in billions and billions of dollars, as you know, from China. In fact, they never took the tariff off because it was so much money they can't. It would totally destroy everything that they've set out to do. They're taking in billions of dollars from China and other places they've left the tariffs on. When I had it, I had tariffs and yet I had no inflation.
• 23:36
  Look, we've had a terrible economy because inflation has, which is really known as a country buster, it breaks up countries. We have inflation like very few people have ever seen before, probably the worst in our nation's history. We were at 21%, but that's being generous because many things are fifty, sixty, seventy, and eighty % higher than they were just a few years ago. This has been a disaster for people, for the middle class, but for every class. On top of that, we have millions of people pouring into our country from prisons and jails, from mental institutions and insane asylums, and they're coming in and they're taking jobs that are occupied right now by African Americans and Hispanics and also unions.
• 24:19
  Unions are gonna be affected very soon, and you see what's happening. You see what's happening with towns throughout The United States. You look at Springfield, Ohio. You look at Aurora in Colorado. They are taking over the towns.
• 24:32
  They're taking over buildings. They're going in violently. These are the people that she and Biden led into our country, and they're destroying our country. They're dangerous. They're at the highest level of criminality, and we have to get them out.
• 24:47
  We have to get them out fast. I created one of the greatest economies in the history of our country. I'll do it again and even better.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: We are gonna get to immigration and border security during this debate, but, I would like to let vice president Harris respond on the economy here.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Well, I would love to. Let's talk about what Donald Trump left us. Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression. Donald Trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century. Donald Trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the civil war.
• 25:26
  And what we have done is clean up Donald Trump's mess. What we have done and what I intend to do is build on what we know are the aspirations and the hopes of the American people. But I'm gonna tell you all in this debate tonight, you're gonna hear from the same old tired playbook a bunch of lies, grievances, and name calling. What you're gonna hear tonight is a detailed and dangerous plan called project twenty twenty five that the former president intends on implementing if he were elected to Genn. I believe very strongly that the American people want a president who understands the importance of bringing us together knowing we have so much more in common than what separates us, and I pledge to you to be a president for all Americans.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: President Trump, I'll give you a minute here to
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: Number one, I have nothing to do. As you know and as she knows better than anyone, I have nothing to do with project twenty twenty five. That's out there. I haven't read it. I don't wanna read it purposely.
• 26:23
  I'm not going to read it. This was a group of people that got together. They came up with some ideas. I guess some good, some bad, but it makes no difference. I have nothing to do.
• 26:31
  Everybody knows I'm an open book. Everybody knows what I'm gonna do. Cut taxes very substantially and create a great economy like I did before. We had the greatest economy. We got hit with a pandemic, and the pandemic was not since 1917 where a hundred million people died has there been anything like it.
• 26:49
  We did a phenomenal job with the pandemic. We handed them over a country where the economy and where the stock market was higher than it was before the pandemic came in. Nobody's ever seen anything like it. We made ventilators for the entire world. We got gowns.
• 27:05
  We got masks. We did things that nobody thought possible. And people give me credit for rebuilding the military. They give me credit for a lot of things, but not enough credit for the great job we did with the
• 27:18
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, sorry, folks. Let's see what I try refreshing. Yeah. Sorry about that. I'm not sure what happened.
• 27:33
  I'm watching on Fox, and now they're showing us they're trying to show us these stupid ads, which I don't want to watch, of course. But they're showing us we've got eighteen seconds. So I guess I'll put my comments in really quickly as we're waiting for the the the this to come back on. Yeah. I mean, honestly so it's Kamala's body language says a lot.
• 27:56
  She's you notice that when Trump is talking, she's staring at him a lot. Okay. It's back on. Here we go.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Inflation, and by the middle of next year, would invite a recession. You just have to look at where we are and where we stand on the issues. And I'd invite you to know that Donald Trump actually has no plan for you because he is more interested in defending himself than he is in looking out for you.
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: That's just a sound bite. I gave her that to say. Look, I went to the Wharton School of Finance, and many of those professors, the top professors, think my plan is a brilliant plan. It's a great plan. It's a plan that's going to bring up our worth, our value as a country.
• 28:36
  It's going to make people want to be able to go and work and create jobs and create a lot of good, solid money for our comp for our country. And just to finish off, she doesn't have a plan. She copied Biden's plan, and it's like four sentences, like run, spot, run. Four sentences that are just, oh, we'll try and lower taxes. She doesn't have a plan.
• 29:01
  Take a look at her plan. She doesn't have a plan.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: Mister president, I do wanna drill down on something you both brought up. The vice president brought up your tariffs. You responded, and let's drill down on this because your plan is what she calls as essentially a national sales tax. Your proposal calls for tariffs, as you pointed out here, on foreign imports across the board. You recently said that you might double your plan, imposing tariffs up to 20% on goods coming into this country.
• 29:25
  As you know, many economists say that with tariffs at that level, costs are then passed on to the consumer. Vice president Harris has argued it'll mean higher prices on gas, food, clothing, medication, arguing it costs the typical family nearly $4,000 a year. Do you believe Americans can afford higher prices because of tariffs?
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: They're not gonna have higher prices. What's gonna have and who's going to have higher prices is China and all of the countries that have been ripping us off for years. I charge I was the only president ever. China was paying us hundreds of billions of dollars and so were other countries. And, you know, if Xi doesn't like them, they should have gone out and they should have immediately cut the tariffs.
• 30:03
  But those tariffs are there three and a half years now under their administration. We are gonna take in billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars. I had no inflation, virtually no inflation. They had the highest inflation perhaps in the history of our country because I've never seen a worse period of time. People can't go out and buy cereal or bacon or eggs or anything else.
• 30:26
  These the people of our country are absolutely dying with what they've done. They've destroyed the economy, and all you have to do is look at a poll. The polls say eighty and eighty five and even 90 that the Trump economy was great, that their economy was terrible.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: Vice president Harris, I do wanna ask for your response, and you heard what the president said there because the Biden administration did keep a number of the Trump tariffs in place. So how do you respond?
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Well, let's be clear that the Trump administration resulted in a trade deficit, one of the highest we've ever seen in the history of America. He invited trade wars. You wanna talk about his deal with China, what he ended up doing is under Donald Trump's presidency, he ended up selling American chips to China to help them improve and modernize their military, basically sold us out when a policy about China should be in making sure The United States Of America wins the competition for the twenty first century, which means focusing on the details of what that requires, focusing on relationships with our allies, focusing on investing American based technology so that we win the race on AI, on quantum computing, focusing on what we need to do to support America's workforce so that we don't end up having on the short end of the stick in terms of workers' rights. But what Donald Trump did, let's talk about this, with COVID, is he actually thanked president Xi for what he did during COVID. Look at his tweet.
• 32:00
  Thank you, president Xi, exclamation point, when we know that Xi was responsible for lacking and not giving us transparency about the origins of COVID.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: President Trump, I'll let
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: you respond. First of all, they bought their chips from Taiwan. We hardly make chips anymore because of philosophies like they have and policies like they have. I don't say her because she has no policy. Everything that she believed three years ago and four years ago is out the window.
• 32:29
  She's going to my philosophy now. In fact, I was gonna send her a MAGA hat. She's gone to my philosophy. But if she ever got elected, she'd change it, and it will be the end of our country. She's a Marxist.
• 32:41
  Everybody knows she's a Marxist. Her father's a Marxist professor in economics, and he taught her well. But when you look at what she's done to our country and when you look at these millions and millions of people that are pouring into our country monthly, where it's, I believe, 21,000,000 people, not the 15 that people say, and I think it's a lot higher than the 21. That's bigger than New York State pouring in. And just look at what they're doing to our country.
• 33:07
  They're criminals. Many of these people coming in are criminals. And that's bad for our economy too. You know, you mentioned before, we'll talk about immigration later. Well, bad immigration is the worst thing that can happen to our economy.
• 33:19
  They have and she has destroyed our country with policy that's insane. Almost policy that you'd say they have to hate our country.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: President Trump. Thank you. Lindsey?
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: I wanna turn to the issue of abortion. President Trump, you've often touted that you were able to kill Roe v Wade. Last year, you said that you were proud to be the most pro life president in American history. Then last month, you said that your administration would be great for women and their reproductive rights. In your home state of Florida, you surprised many, with regard to your six week abortion ban because you initially had said that it was too short.
• 33:55
  And you said, quote, I'm gonna be voting that we need more than six weeks. But then the very next day, you reversed course and said you would vote to support the six week ban. Vice president Harris says that women shouldn't trust you on the issue of of abortion because you've changed your position so many times. Therefore, why should they trust you?
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: Well, the reason I'm doing that vote is because the plan is, as you know, the vote is, they have abortion in the ninth month. They even have and you can look at the governor of West Virginia, the previous governor of West Virginia, not the current governor who's doing an excellent job, but the governor before, he said the baby will be born, and we will decide what to do with the baby. In other words, we'll execute the baby. And that's why I did that because that predominates, because they're radical. The Democrats are radical in that.
• 34:44
  And her vice presidential pick, which I think is a horrible pick, by the way, for our country because he is really out of it. But her vice presidential pick says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine. He also says execution after birth. It's execution, no longer abortion because the baby is born, is okay. And that's not okay with me, hence the vote.
• 35:07
  But what I did is something for fifty two years. They've been trying to get Roe v Wade into the states. And through the, genius and and heart and strength of six Supreme Court justices, we were able to do that. Now I believe in the exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother. I believe strongly in it.
• 35:30
  Ronald Reagan did also. 85% of Republicans do Exceptions. Very important. But we were able to get it, now states are voting on it. And for the first time, you're gonna see look.
• 35:42
  This is an issue that's torn our country apart for fifty two years. Every legal scholar, every Democrat, every Republican, liberal, conservative, they all wanted this issue to be brought back to the states where the people could vote. And that's what happened happened. Now Ohio, the vote was somewhat liberal. Kansas, the vote was somewhat liberal, much more liberal than people would have thought.
• 36:06
  But each individual state is voting. It's the vote of the people now. It's not tied up in the federal government. I did a great service in doing it. It took courage to do it.
• 36:15
  And the Supreme Court had great courage in doing it. And I give tremendous credit to those six justices.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born. Madam vice president, I wanna get your response to president Trump.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Well, as I said, you're gonna hear a bunch of lies, and that's not actually a surprising fact. Let's understand how we got here. Donald Trump hand selected three members of the United States Supreme Court with the intention that they would undo the protections of Roe v Wade, and they did exactly as he intended. And now in over 20 states, there are Trump abortion bans, which make it criminal for a doctor or nurse to provide health care. In one state, it provides prison for life.
• 37:02
  Trump abortion bans that make no exception even for rape and incest, which understand what that means. A survivor of a crime of violation to their body does not have the right to make a decision about what happens to their body next. That is immoral. And one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree the government and Donald Trump certainly should not be telling a woman what to do with her body. I have talked with women around our country.
• 37:35
  You wanna talk about this is what people wanted? Pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term, suffering from a miscarriage, being denied care in an emergency room because the health care providers are afraid they might go to jail, and she's bleeding out in a car in the parking lot? She didn't want that. Her husband didn't want that. A 12 or 13 year old survivor of incest being forced to carry a pregnancy to term.
• 38:03
  They don't want that. And I pledge to you when Congress passes a bill to put back in place the protections of Roe v Wade as president of The United States, I will proudly sign it into law. But understand, if Donald Trump were to be reelected, he will sign a national abortion ban. Understand in his project twenty twenty five, there would be a national abortion monitor that would be monitoring your pregnancies, your miscarriages. I think the American people believe that certain freedoms, in particular, the freedom to make decisions about one's own body, should not be made by the government.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: Thank you, vice president Harris.
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: Well, there she goes again. It's a lie. I'm not signing a ban, and there's no reason to sign a ban because we've gotten what everybody wanted. Democrats, Republicans, and everybody else, and every legal scholar wanted it to be brought back into the states, and the states are voting. And it may take a little time, but for fifty two years, this issue has torn our country apart, and they've wanted it back in the states.
• 39:12
  And I did something that nobody thought was possible. The states are now voting. What she says is an absolute lie. And as far as the abortion ban, no. I'm not in favor of abortion ban, but it doesn't matter because this issue has now been taken over by the states.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: Would you veto a national abortion ban if it could
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: against to because, again, two things. Number one, she said she'll go back to congress. She'll never get the vote. It's impossible for her to get the vote, especially now with the fifty fifty essentially fifty fifty in both senate and the house. She's not gonna get the vote.
• 39:46
  She can't get the vote. She won't even come close to it. So it's just talk. You know what it reminds me of when they said they're gonna get student loans terminated, and it ended up being a total catastrophe. The student loans and then her I I think probably her boss, if you call him a boss, he spends all his time on the beach.
• 40:03
  But look, her boss went out and said, we'll do it again. We'll do it a different way. And he went out, got rejected again by the supreme court. So all these students got, taunted with this whole thing about this whole idea. And how unfair that would have been, part of the reason they lost to the millions and millions of people that had to pay off their student loans.
• 40:23
  They didn't get it for free. But they were saying, it's the same way that they talked about that, that they talk about abortion.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: But if I could just get a yes or no because your running mate, Janet JD Vance, has said that you would veto if you did come to
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: your desk. Well, I didn't discuss it with JD in all fairness, JD. And I I don't mind if he has a certain view, but I think he was speaking for me, but I really didn't. Look. We don't have to discuss it because she'd never be able to get it.
• 40:50
  Just like she couldn't get student loans, they couldn't get student loans. They didn't even come close to getting student loans. They taunted young people and a lot of other people that had loans. They can never get this approved. So it doesn't matter what she says about going to congress.
• 41:03
  So wonderful. Let's go to congress. Do it. But the fact is that for years, they wanted to get it out of congress and out of the federal government, and we did something that everybody said couldn't be done. And now you have a vote of the people on abortion.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: Vice president Harris, wanna give you your time to respond, but I do wanna ask, would you support any restrictions on a woman's right to an abortion?
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: I absolutely support reinstating the protections of Roe v Wade. And as you rightly mentioned, nowhere in America is a woman carrying a pregnancy to term and and and asking for an abortion. That is not happening. It's insulting to the women of America. And understand what has been happening under Donald Trump's abortion bans.
• 41:46
  Couples who pray and and and and dream of having a family are being denied IVF treatments. What is happening in our country? Working people, working women who are working one or two jobs, who can barely afford childcare as it is, have to travel to another state to get on a plane sitting next to strangers, to go and get the health care she needs, barely can afford to do it. And what you are putting her through is unconscionable. And the people of America have not the the majority of Americans believe in a woman's right to make decisions about her own body.
• 42:29
  And that is why in every state where this issue has been on the ballot, in red and blue states both, The people of America have voted for freedom. Vice president
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: Excuse me. I have to respond. Another lie. It's another lie. I have been a leader on IVF, which which is fertilization.
• 42:46
  The IVF I have been a leader. In fact, when they got a very negative decision on IVF from the Alabama courts, I saw the people of Alabama and the legislature two days later voted it in. I've been a leader on it. They know that, and everybody else knows it. I have been a leader on fertilization IVF.
• 43:07
  And the other thing, they you should ask, will she allow abortion in the eighth month, ninth month, seventh month?
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: Okay. Would you do that? Why don't you ask her that question?
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Why don't you answer the question? Would you
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: veto? Roe v.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: Wade. Answer the question, would you veto?
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: You could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month, the ninth month That's not true. And probably after birth. Just look at the governor, former governor of of Virginia. The governor of Virginia said, we put the baby aside, and then we determine what we wanna do with the baby.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: President Trump, thank you.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: We're gonna turn now to immigration and border security. We know it's an issue that's important to Republicans, Democrats, voters across the board, in this country. Vice president Harris, you were tasked by president Biden with getting to the root causes of migration from Central America. We know that illegal border crossings reached a record high in the Biden administration. This past June, president Biden imposed tough new asylum restrictions.
• 44:01
  We know the numbers since then have dropped significantly. But my question to you tonight is why did the administration wait until six months before the election to act, and would you have done anything differently from president Biden on this?
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: So I'm the only person on this stage who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations for the trafficking of guns, drugs, and human beings. And let me say that the United States Congress, including some of the most conservative members of the United States Senate, came up with a border security bill, which I supported. And that bill would have put 1,500 more border agents on the border to help those folks who are working there right now over time trying to do their job. It would have allowed us to stem the flow of fentanyl coming into The United States. I know there are so many families watching tonight who have been personally affected by the surge of fentanyl in our country.
• 44:55
  That bill would have put more resources to allow us to prosecute transnational criminal organizations for trafficking in guns, drugs, and human beings. But you know what happened to that bill? Donald Trump got on the phone, called up some folks in congress, and said, kill the bill. And you know why? Because he'd prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem.
• 45:18
  And understand, this comes at a time where the people of our country actually need a leader who engages in solutions, who actually addresses the problems at hand. But what we have in the former president is someone who would prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem. And I'll tell you something. He's gonna talk about immigration a lot tonight even when it's not the subject that is being raised. And I'm gonna actually do something really unusual, and I'm gonna invite you to attend one of Donald Trump's rallies because it's a really interesting thing to watch.
• 45:51
  You will see during the course of his rallies, he talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter. He will talk about windmills cause cancer. And what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom. And I will tell you, the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you. You will not hear him talk about your needs, your dreams, and your knee and your desires.
• 46:15
  And I'll tell you, I believe you deserve a president who actually puts you first, and I pledge to you that I will.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Vice president Harris, thank you. President Trump, on that point, wanna get your response.
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: I would like to respond.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: Let me just ask, though, why did you try to kill that bill and successfully so that would have put thousands of additional agents and officers on the border?
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: First, let me respond as to the rallies. She said people start leaving. People don't go to her rallies. There's no reason to go. And the people that do go, she's bussing them in and paying them to be there, and then showing them in a different light.
• 46:46
  So she can't talk about that. People don't leave my rallies. We have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics. That's because people wanna take their country back. Our country is being lost.
• 46:57
  We're a failing nation, and it happened three and a half years ago. And what what's going on here you're gonna end up in World War three, just to go into another subject. What they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country and look at what's happening to the towns all over The United States. And a lot of towns don't wanna talk. Not gonna be Aurora or Springfield.
• 47:20
  A lot of towns don't wanna talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in. They're eating the cats. They're eating they're eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what's happening in our country, and it's a shame.
• 47:40
  As far as the rallies are concerned, as far as the reason they go is they like what I say. They wanna bring our country back. They wanna make America great again. It's very simple phrase, make America great again. She's destroying this country.
• 47:54
  And if she becomes president, this country doesn't have a chance of success. Not only success, we'll end up being Venezuela on steroids.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: I just wanna clarify here. You bring up Springfield, Ohio, and ABC News did reach out to the city manager there. He told us there had been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured, or abused by individuals within the immigrant community office.
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: People on television.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Just say here.
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: This is the The people on television say my dog was taken and used for food. So maybe he said that, and maybe that's a good thing to say for a city manager.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: I'm not taking this from television. I'm taking it from the same manager.
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: Dog was eaten by the people that went there.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Again, the Springfield City Manager says there's no evidence of that. Vice president Perez, I'll you respond to the rest of what you've heard.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Talk about extreme. You know, I this is, I think, one of the reasons why in this election, I actually have the endorsement of 200 Republicans who have formally worked with president Bush, Mitt Romney, and John McCain, including the endorsement of former vice president Dick Cheney and congress member Liz Cheney. And if you wanna really know the inside track on who the former president is, if he didn't make it clear already, just ask people who have worked with him. His former chief of staff of four star general has said he has contempt for the constitution of The United States. His former national security adviser has said he is dangerous and unfit.
• 49:27
  His former secretary of defense has said the nation, the republic, would never survive another Trump term. And when we listen to this kind of rhetoric, when the issues that affect the American people are not being addressed, I think the choice is clear in this election.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: President Trump, I'll give you a quick minute to respond Thank
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: you. Because when I hear that see, I'm a different kind of a person. I fired most of those people. Not so graciously. They did bad things or a bad job.
• 50:01
  I fired them. They never fired one person. They didn't fire anybody having to do with Afghanistan and the Taliban and the 13 people whose whose were just killed viciously and violently killed, and I got to know the parents and the family. They didn't fire. They should have fired all those generals, all those top people because that was one of the most incompetently handled situations anybody has ever seen.
• 50:25
  So when somebody does a bad job, I fire them. And you take a guy like Esper. He was no good. I fired him. So he writes a book.
• 50:32
  Another one writes a book. Because with me, they can write books. With nobody else, can they? But they have done such a poor job, and they never fire anybody. Look at the economy.
• 50:42
  Look how look at the inflation. They didn't fire any of their economists. They have the same people. That's a good way not to have books written about you. But just to finish, I got more votes than any Republican in history by far.
• 50:57
  In fact, I got more votes than any president, sitting president in history by far.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: Let me continue on immigration. It was what you wanted to talk about earlier. So let's get back to your deportation, proposal that the vice president has reacted to as well. President Trump, you call this the largest domestic deportation operation the history of our country. You say you would use the National Guard.
• 51:19
  You say if things get out of control, you'd have, no problem using the US military. You also said you would use local police. How would you, deport 11,000,000 undocumented immigrants? I know you you believe that number is much higher. Take us through this.
• 51:33
  What does this look like? Will authorities be going door to door in this country?
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah. It is much higher because of them. They allowed criminals, many, many millions of criminals. They allowed terrorists. They allowed common street criminals.
• 51:47
  They allowed people to come in, drug dealers to come into our country, and they're now in The United States and told by their countries like Venezuela, don't ever come back or we're going to kill you. Do you know that crime in Venezuela and crime in countries all over the world is way down? You know why? Because they've taken their criminals off the street, and they've given them to her to put into our country. And this will be one of the greatest mistakes in history for them to allow, and I think they probably did it because they think they're gonna get votes, but it's not worth it because they're they're destroying the fabric of our country by what they've done.
• 52:25
  There's never been anything done like this at all. They've destroyed the fabric of our country. Millions of people let in. And all over the world, crime is down all over the world except here. Crime here is up and through the roof despite their fraudulent statements that they made.
• 52:42
  Crime in this country is through the roof, and we have a new form of crime. It's called migrant crime, and it's happening at levels that nobody thought possible.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: President Trump, as you know, the FBI says, overall, violent crime is actually coming down in this country.
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: But by spreading that loud defraud they were defrauding statements. They they didn't include the worst cities. They didn't include the cities with the worst crime. It was a a fraud just like their number of 818,000 jobs that they said they created turned out to be a fraud.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: President Trump, thank you. I'll let you respond, vice president Harris.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Well, I think this is so rich coming from someone who has been prosecuted for national security crimes, economic crimes, election interference, has been found liable for sexual assault, and his next big court appearance is in November at his own criminal sentencing. And let's be clear. Where each person stands on the issue of what is important about respect for the rule of law and respect for law enforcement, The former vice president called for defunding federal law enforcement, 45,000 agents, get this, on the day after he was arraigned on 34 felony counts. So let's talk about what is important in this race. It is important that we move forward, that we turn the page on this same old tired rhetoric and address the needs of the American people, address what we need to do about the housing shortage, which I have a plan for, address what we must do to support our small businesses, address bringing down the price of groceries.
• 54:23
  But frankly, the American people are exhausted with this same old tire playbook.
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: Vice president Harris, thank you.
• 54:29
  Speaker 6: Excuse me. Every one of those cases was started by them against their political opponent, and I'm winning most of them, and I will win the rest on appeal. And you saw that with the decision that came down just recently from the Supreme Court. I'm winning most of them. But those are cases it's called weaponization.
• 54:47
  Never happened in this country. They weaponized the justice department. Every one of those cases was involved with the DOJ from Atlanta and Fawne Willis to to the, attorney general of New York and the DA in New York. Every one of those cases. And then they say, oh, he was he's a criminal.
• 55:06
  They're the ones that made them go after me. By the way, Joe Biden was found essentially guilty on the documents case. And what happened in my documents case? They said, oh, that's the toughest of them all. A complete and total victory.
• 55:21
  Two months ago, it was thrown out. It's weaponization, and they used it, and it's never happened in this country. They used it to try and win an election.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: They have
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: fake cases.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: President Trump, thank you. A really quick response here, vice president Harris, on this notion of weaponization of the justice department.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about extreme and understand the context in which this election in 2024 is taking place. The United States Supreme Court recently ruled that the former president would essentially be immune from any misconduct if he were to enter the White House again. Understand this is someone who has openly said he would terminate, I'm quoting, terminate the constitution of The United States, that he would weaponize the Department of Justice against his political enemies, someone who has openly expressed disdain for members of our military, understand what it would mean if Donald Trump were back in the White House with no guardrails. Because certainly, we know now the court won't stop him. We know J.
• 56:23
  D. Vance is not gonna stop him. It's up to the American people.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: Vice president Thank you. Lindsey?
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: Vice president Harris, in your last run for president.
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: Weaponized, please.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: We got
• 56:33
  Speaker 6: This is the one that weaponized. Not me. She weaponized. I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me. They talk about democracy.
• 56:43
  I'm a threat to democracy. They're the threat to democracy. Was a fake Russia Russia Russia investigation
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: We do have a lot
• 56:50
  Speaker 6: to that went nowhere.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: We have a lot to get to. Lindsey?
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: Vice president Harris, in your last run for president, you you wanted to ban fracking. Now you don't. You wanted mandatory government buyback programs for assault weapons. Now your campaign says you don't. You supported decriminalizing border crossings.
• 57:06
  Now you're taking a harder line. I know you say that your values have not changed. So then why have so many of your policy positions changed?
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: So my values have not changed, and I'm gonna discuss every one of the at least every point that you've made. But in particular, let's talk about fracking because we're here in Pennsylvania. I made that very clear in 2020. I will not ban fracking. I have not banned fracking as vice president of The United States.
• 57:29
  And in fact, I was the tie breaking vote on the inflation reduction act, which opened new leases for fracking. My position is that we have got to invest in diverse sources of energy so we reduce our reliance on foreign oil. We have had the largest increase in domestic oil production in history because of an approach that recognizes that we cannot overrely on foreign oil. As it relates to my values, let me tell you, I grew up a middle class kid raised by a hardworking mother who worked and saved and was able to buy our first home when I was a teenager. The values I bring to the importance of homeownership, knowing not everybody got handed $400,000,000 on a silver platter and then filed bankruptcy six times, is a value that I bring to my work to say we are going to work with the private sector and homebuilders to increase 3,000,000 homes increase by 3,000,000 homes by the end of my first term.
• 58:32
  My work that is related to having a friend when I was in high school who was sexually assaulted by her stepfather, and my focus then on protecting women and children from violent crime is based on a value that is deeply grounded in the importance of standing up for those who are most vulnerable. My work that is about protecting Social Security and Medicare is based on long standing work that I have done, protecting seniors from scams. My values have not changed, And what is important is that there is a president who actually brings values and a perspective that is about lifting people up and not beating people down. And name calling, the true measure of the leader is the leader who actually understands the strength is not in beating people down, it's in lifting people up. I intend to be that president.
• 59:27
  President Trump,
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: you're Well, first of all, I wasn't given $400,000,000. I wish I was. My father was a Brooklyn Builder, Brooklyn Queens, and a great father, and I learned a lot from him. But I was given a fraction of that, a tiny fraction, and I built it into many, many billions of dollars, many, many billions. And when people see it, they are even surprised.
• 59:46
  So we don't have to talk about that. Fracking? She's been against it for twelve years. Defund the police. She's been against that forever.
• 59:54
  She gave all that stuff up very wrongly, very horribly, and everybody's laughing at it. Okay? They're all laughing at it. She gave up at least 12 and probably 14 or 15 different policies. Like, she was big on defund the police.
• 1:00:09
  In Minnesota, she went out wait a minute. I'm talking now, if you don't mind, please. Does that sound familiar? She went out she went out in Minnesota and wanted to let criminals that killed people that burned down Minneapolis, She went out and raised money to get them out of jail. She did things that nobody would ever think of.
• 1:00:33
  Now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison. This is a radical left liberal that would do this. She wants to confiscate your guns, and she will never allow fracking in Pennsylvania. If she won the election, fracking in Pennsylvania will end on day one. Just to finish one thing, so important in my opinion.
• 1:00:56
  So I got the oil business going like nobody has ever done before. They took when they took over, they got rid of it, started getting rid of it, and the prices were going up the roof. They immediately let these guys go to where they were. I would have been five times, four times, five times higher because you're talking about three and a half years ago. They got it up to where I was Quadrupling and doubling.
• 1:01:26
  You saw what happened to gasoline. So they said, let's go back to Trump. But if she won the election, the day after that election, they'll go back to destroying our country, and oil will be dead. Fossil fuel will be dead. We'll go back to windmills, and we'll go back to solar where they need a whole desert to get some energy to come out.
• 1:01:43
  You ever see a solar plant? By the way, I'm a big fan of solar. But they take 400, five hundred acres of desert soil.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: We have lot issues especially the environment that she understands. Thank you.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: Lindsay, thank you. We have an election in just fifty six days. And I wanna talk about the peaceful transfer of power, which, of course, we all know is a cornerstone of our democracy and the role of a president, in a moment of crisis. Mister president, on January 6, you told your supporters to march to the capital. You said you would be right there with them.
• 1:02:13
  The country and the world saw what played out at the capital that day, the officers coming under attack. Aides in the West Wing say you watched it unfold on television off the Oval Office. You did send out tweets, but it was more than two hours before you sent out that video message, telling your supporters to go home. Is there anything you regret about what you did on that day?
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: You just said a thing that isn't covered peacefully and patriotically. I said during my speech, not later on. Peacefully and patriotically. And nobody on the other side was killed. Ashley Babbitt was shot by an out of control police officer that should have never ever shot her.
• 1:02:53
  It's a disgrace. But we didn't do this group of people that have been treated so badly. I ask, what about all the people that are pouring into our country and killing people that she allowed to pour in? She was the border czar. Remember that.
• 1:03:07
  She was the border czar. She doesn't wanna be called the border czar because she's embarrassed by the border. In fact, she said at the beginning, oh, I'm surprised you're not talking about the border yet. That's because she knows what a bad job they've done. What about those people?
• 1:03:20
  What's when are they gonna be prosecuted? When are these people from countries all over the world, not just South America? They're coming in from all over the world, David. All over the world, and crime rates are down all over the world because of it.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: But let me
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 6: just say David, when are those people gonna be prosecuted? When are the people that burned down Minneapolis gonna be prosecuted? Or in Seattle, they went into Seattle. They took over a big percentage of the city of Seattle. When are those people gonna be prosecuted?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: But let me just ask you.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: You might ask her that question.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: You were the president. You were watching it unfold on television. It's a very simple question as we move forward toward another election. Is there anything you regret about what you did on that day? Yes or no?
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 6: I had nothing to do with that other than they asked me to make a speech. I showed up for a speech. I said, I think it's gonna be big. I went to Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington DC, and the mayor put it back in writing, as you know. I said, you know, this is gonna be a very big rally or whatever you wanna call it.
• 1:04:19
  And, again, it wasn't done by me. It was done by others. I said, I'd like to give you 10,000 National Guard or soldiers. They rejected me. Nancy Pelosi rejected me.
• 1:04:29
  It was just two weeks ago. Her daughter has a tape of her saying she is fully responsible for what happened. They wanna get rid of that tape. It would have never happened if Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington did their jobs. I wasn't responsible for security.
• 1:04:44
  Nancy Pelosi was responsible. She didn't do her job.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: The question was about you as president, not about former speaker Pelosi, but I do want vice president Harris to respond here.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: I was at the Capitol on January 6. I was the vice president-elect. I was also an acting senator. I was there. And on that day, the president of The United States incited a violent mob to attack our nation's capital, to desecrate our nation's capital.
• 1:05:15
  On that day, a 40 law enforcement officers were injured, and some died. And understand, the former president has been indicted and impeached for exactly that reason. But this is not an isolated situation. Let's remember Charlottesville, where there was a mob of people carrying tiki torches, spewing antisemitic hate. And what did the president then at the time say?
• 1:05:47
  There were fine people on each side. Let's remember that when it came to the Proud Boys, a militia, the president said the former president said, stand back and stand by. So for everyone watching who remembers what January 6 was, I say, we don't have to go back. Let's not go back. We're not going back.
• 1:06:11
  It's time to turn the page. And if that was a bridge too far for you, well, there is a place in our campaign for you to stand for country, to stand for our democracy, to stand for rule of law, and to end the chaos, and to end the approach that is about attacking the foundations of our democracy because you don't like the outcome. And be clear on that point. Donald Trump, the candidate, has said in this election, there will be a bloodbath if this and the outcome of this election is not to his liking. Let's turn the page on this.
• 1:06:53
  Let's not go back. Let's chart a course for the future and not go backwards to the past.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: Let me just follow-up here.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 6: It was a different term, and it was a term that related to energy because they have destroyed our energy business. That was where bloodbath was. Also, on Charlottesville, that story has been, as you would say, debunked. Laura Ingram, Sean Hannity, Jesse all of these people, they covered it. If they go an extra sentence, they will see it was perfect.
• 1:07:24
  It was debunked in almost every newspaper, but they still bring it up just like they bring 2025 up. They bring all of this stuff up. I ask you this. You talk about the capital. Why are we allowing these millions of people to come through on the southern border?
• 1:07:40
  How come she's not doing anything? And I'll tell you what I would do, and I would be very proud to do it. I would say we would both leave this debate right now. I'd like to see her go down to Washington DC during this debate because we're wasting a lot of time. Go down to because she's been so bad.
• 1:07:56
  It's so ridiculous. Go down to Washington DC and let her sign a bill to close-up the border because they have the right to do it. They don't need bills. They have the right to do it. The president of The United States, you'll get him out of bed.
• 1:08:09
  You'll wake him up at 04:00 in the afternoon. You'll say, come on. Come on down to the office. Let's sign a bill. If he if he signs a bill that the border is closed, all he has to do is say it to the border patrol who are phenomenal.
• 1:08:20
  If they do that, the border is closed.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: Mister president
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 6: people are killing many people unlike j
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: We talked immigration here tonight. I do wanna focus on this next issue to both of you because it really brings us this into focus, truth in these times that we're living in. Mister president, for three and a half years after you lost the twenty twenty election, you repeatedly falsely claimed that you won, many times saying you won in a landslide. In the past couple of weeks leading up to this debate, you have said, quote, you lost by a whisker that you, quote, didn't quite make it, that you came up a little bit short.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 6: I said
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: that. Are you now acknowledging that you lost in 2020?
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 6: Acknowledge that at all. But you did say sarcastically. You know that. It was said, oh, we lost by a whisker. That was said sarcastically.
• 1:09:02
  Look. There's so much proof. All you have to do is look at it, and they should have sent it back to the legislatures for approval. I got almost 75,000,000 votes, the most votes any sitting president has ever gotten. I was told if I got 63, which was what I got in 2016, you can't be beaten.
• 1:09:19
  The election, people should never be thinking about it. An election is fraudulent. We need two things. We need walls. We need and we have to have it.
• 1:09:28
  We have to have borders, and we have to have good elections. Our elections are bad. And a lot of these illegal immigrants coming in, they're trying to get them to vote. They can't even speak English. They don't even know what country they're in practically.
• 1:09:40
  And these people are trying to get them to vote. And that's why they're allowing them to come into our country.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: I did watch all of these pieces of video. I I didn't detect the sarcasm lost by a whisker. We didn't quite make it. And we should just point out here as clarification, and you know this, you and your allies, 60 cases in front of many judges, many of
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 6: them were No judge looked at it. And said there was no widespread fraud. That's the other thing. They said we didn't have standing, a technicality. Can you imagine a system where a person in an election doesn't have standing?
• 1:10:09
  The president of The United States doesn't have standing. That's how we lost. If you look at the facts, and I'd love to have you do a special on it. I'll show you Georgia, and I'll show you Wisconsin, and I'll show you Pennsylvania, and I'll show we have so many facts and statistics. But you know what?
• 1:10:27
  That doesn't matter because we have to solve the problem that we have right now. That's old news. And the problem that we have right now is we have a nation in decline, and they have put it into decline. We have a nation that is dying, David.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: Mister president, thank you. Vice president Harris, you heard the president there tonight. He said he didn't say that that he lost by whisker, so he still believes he did not lose the election that was won by president Biden and yourself. But I do wanna ask you about something that's come up in the last couple of days. This was a post from president Trump about this upcoming election just weeks away.
• 1:11:02
  He said, when I win, those people who cheated, and then he lists donors, voters, election officials, He says will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, which will include long term prison sentences. One of your campaign's top lawyers responded saying, we won't let Donald Trump intimidate us. We won't let him suppress the vote. Is that what you believe he's trying to do here?
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump was fired by 81,000,000 people. So let's be clear about that. And clearly, he is having a very difficult time processing that. But we cannot afford to have a president of The United States who attempts, as he did in the past, to upend the will of the voters in a free and fair election. And I'm gonna tell you that I have traveled the world as vice president of The United States, and world leaders are laughing at Donald Trump.
• 1:11:55
  I have talked with military leaders, some of whom worked with you, and they say you're a disgrace. And when you then talk in this way in a presidential debate and deny what over and over again are court cases you have lost because you did, in fact, lose that election, it leads one to believe that perhaps we do not have in the candidate to my right the temperament or or the ability to not be confused about fact. That's deeply troubling, and the American people deserve better.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: I'll give you one minute to respond,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 6: mister president. Let me just say about world leaders. Viktor Orban, one of the most respected men they call him a strong man. He's a he's a tough person, smart, prime minister of Hungary. They said, why is the whole world blowing up?
• 1:12:47
  Three years ago, it wasn't. Why is it blowing up? He said, because you need Trump back as president. They were afraid of him. China was afraid, and I don't like to use the word afraid, but I'm just quoting him.
• 1:12:59
  China was afraid of him. North Korea was afraid of him. Look at what's going on with North Korea, by the way. He said Russia was afraid of him. I ended the Nord Stream two pipeline, and Biden put it back on day one, but he ended the XL pipeline.
• 1:13:14
  The XL pipeline in our country, he ended that, but he let the Russians build a pipeline going all over Europe and heading into Germany, the biggest pipeline in the world. Look. Viktor Orban said it. He said the most respected, most feared person is Donald Trump. We had no problems when Trump was president.
• 1:13:35
  But when this weak, pathetic man that you saw at a debate just a few months ago, that if he weren't in that debate, he'd be running instead of her. She got no votes. He got 14,000,000 votes. What you did, you talk about a threat to democracy. He got 14,000,000 votes, and they threw him out of office.
• 1:13:52
  And you know what? I'll give you a little secret. He hates her. He can't stand her. But he got 14,000,000 votes.
• 1:13:59
  They threw them out. She got zero votes. And when she ran, she was the first one to leave because she failed. And now she's running. I don't understand it, but I'm okay with it because
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: Your time is
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 6: think we're gonna do very well.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: We've got a lot more to get to.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: Turning now to the Israel Hamas war and the hostages who are still being held, Americans among them. Vice President Harris, in December you said, quote, Israel has a right to defend itself. But you added, quote, it matters how. Saying international humanitarian law must be respected. Israel must do more to protect innocent civilians.
• 1:14:31
  You said that nine months ago, now an estimated 40,000 Palestinians are dead. Nearly 100 hostages remain. Just last week, prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu said there's not a deal in the making. President Biden has not been able to break through the stalemate. How would you do it?
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: Well, let's understand how we got here. On October 7, Hamas, a terrorist organization, slaughtered 1,200 Israelis, many of them young people who were simply attending a concert. Women were horribly raped. And so, I said then, I say now. Israel has a right to defend itself.
• 1:15:12
  We would. And how it does so matters, because it is also true, far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed, children, mothers. What we know is that this war must end. It must end immediately, and the way it will end is we need a ceasefire deal, and we need the hostages out. And so we will continue to work around the clock on that.
• 1:15:41
  Work around the clock also understanding that we must chart a course for a two state solution. And in that solution, there must be security for the Israeli people and Israel and an equal measure for the Palestinians. But the one thing I will assure you always, I will always give Israel the ability to defend itself, in particular as it rates to as it relates to Iran and any threat that Iran and its proxies pose to Israel. But we must have a two state solution where we can rebuild Gaza, where the Palestinians have security, self determination, and the dignity they so rightly deserve.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: President Trump, how would you negotiate with Netanyahu and also Hamas in order to get the hostages out and prevent the killing of more innocent civilians in Gaza?
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 6: If I were president, it would have never started. If I were president, Russia would have never ever I know Putin very well. He would have never and there was no threat of it either, by the way, for four years, have gone into Ukraine and killed millions of people when you add it up. Far worse than people understand what's going on over there. But when she mentions about Israel, of a sudden, she hates Israel.
• 1:16:55
  She wouldn't even meet with Netanyahu when he went to congress to make a very important speech. She refused to be there because she was at a sorority party of hers. She wanted to go to the sorority party. She hates Israel. If she's president, I believe that Israel will not exist within two years from now.
• 1:17:13
  And I've been pretty good at predictions, and I hope I'm wrong about that one. She hates Israel. At the same time, in her own way, she hates the Arab population because the whole place is gonna get blown up. Arabs, Jewish people, Israel. Israel will be gone.
• 1:17:32
  It would have never happened. Iran was broke under Donald Trump. Now Iran has $300,000,000,000 because they took off all the sanctions that I had. Iran had no money for Hamas or Hezbollah or any of the 28 different, spheres of terror, and they are spheres of terror, horrible terror. They had no money.
• 1:17:53
  It was a big story, and you know it. You covered it very well, actually. They had no money for terror. They were broke. Now they're a rich nation, and now what they're doing is they're spreading that money around.
• 1:18:07
  Look at what's happening with the Houthis and Yemen. Look at what's going on in The Middle East. This would have never happened. I will get that settled and fast, and I'll get the war with Ukraine and Russia ended. If I'm president-elect, I'll get it done before even becoming president.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 5: Vice president Harris, he says you hate Israel.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: That's absolutely not true. I have, my entire career and life, supported Israel and the Israeli people. He knows that he's trying to, again, divide and and distract from the reality, which is it is very well known that Donald Trump is weak and wrong on national security and foreign policy. It is well known that he admires dictators, wants to be a dictator on day one according to himself. It is well known that he said of Putin that he can do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine.
• 1:19:05
  It is well known that he said when Russia went into Ukraine, it was brilliant. It is well known he exchanged love letters with Kim Jong un, and it is absolutely well known that these dictators and autocrats are rooting for you to be president again because they're so clear. They can manipulate you with flattery and favors. And that is why so many military leaders who you have worked with have told me, you are a disgrace. That is why we understand that we have to have a president who is not consistently weak and wrong on national security, including the importance of upholding and respecting in highest regard our military.
• 1:19:54
  Vice president Harris, thank you.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 6: They're the ones And she's the one that caused it. That's weak on national security by allowing every nation last month for the year, a 68 different countries sending people into our country. Their crime rates are way down. Putin endorsed her last week, said I hope she wins. And I think he meant it because what he's gotten away with is absolutely incredible.
• 1:20:19
  It wouldn't have happened with me. The leaders of other countries think that they're weak and incompetent, and they are. They are grossly incompetent. And I just ask one question. Why does Biden go in and kill the Keystone pipeline and approve the single biggest deal that Russia's ever made, Nord Stream two, the biggest pipeline anywhere in the world going to Germany and all over Europe?
• 1:20:41
  Because they're weak and they're ineffective. And Biden, by the way, paid a lot of Thank
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: you. We have a lot of issues to get to.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: We'll be right back with much more of this historic ABC News presidential debate from the National Constitution Center right here in Philadelphia. Back in a moment.
• 1:21:04
  Seth Holehouse: My goodness. So it's it's on commercial now. The the the Rumble Chat's a very fun place to be. I'll tell you that. I have to say I
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: have
• 1:21:17
  Seth Holehouse: to say that Kamala has come in swinging. It's apparent that she has spent a lot of time preparing for this, probably being coached by Obama himself or, you know, other mentors similarly. I also feel like that Trump is he's getting pulled into being on the defensive a lot. He's, he's not speaking, in my opinion, he's not speaking to matters that the American person, like the average American, cares about. In some ways, he is.
• 1:21:49
  That's I I think he that's why he keeps going back into the borders. But whenever he gets pulled into defending himself, he doesn't. That's the problem. Because she's baiting him and getting him to defend himself on something that most, you know, Americans are like, well, this doesn't matter because I can't afford my groceries right now. So, yeah, this is it's interesting.
• 1:22:06
  I have to say, I I did not expect her to be this articulate and this well prepared for this. Now because I'm I'm constantly researching this, I'm seeing that, you there is a lot of what she's putting out there that is just lies. But the problem is that for someone who's undivided on something or say sorry. Undecided on something and is not, you know, familiar, you know, with with the the depth of the lies, they listen to these sound bites and they say, oh, yeah. That's yep.
• 1:22:38
  That oh, that's not good. And, you know, it can really sway things. So, yeah. I mean, I I I love seeing what you are saying in the in the chat because it it's it's a it's a great, it's a great, discussion. But, yeah, it's it's my I I don't feel good.
• 1:22:55
  Like, that and that's my that's my visceral feeling of this is that something feels off about this. I I just I just don't feel I don't feel good about it, and it makes me worried. I I mean, I'm I'm I'm very worried for our country, obviously. But, yeah, this is a it's yeah. It's it's it's a strange place to be watching this debate.
• 1:23:18
  And there's part of me that just wants to turn it off. I mean, I if I honestly if I wasn't doing a livestream, I wouldn't be watching it. I would just I I you know, I'd be doing my evening routine, and I'd be looking tomorrow morning and seeing the highlights, maybe watching some snippets. But, I I I feel like it's it's almost painful to watch. Or maybe I maybe I would have thought like, oh, okay.
• 1:23:39
  Know, I'll make some popcorn, and I'll sit around. I'll put the debate on. And maybe after twenty minutes or ten minutes, I'd be like, yeah. This just doesn't feel right. So but I you know, I I I'm I'm very curious to see the response afterwards.
• 1:23:53
  The other thing too is that it's so apparent that this is three verse one. I mean, and and again, it even further highlights what I think that they did on purpose with the Joe Biden debate. I think that they intentionally set that up so that they they knew they were gonna throw him under the bus. The questions were more difficult, etcetera. So was still still on commercials.
• 1:24:15
  I'll go back to it once the commercials are over. But it really makes me think that this whole thing has been planned out where it's about, you know, getting Biden out. Okay? Using that debate to show the public the the real state of him, and then pulling out all the cards for this. But what it comes down to, when I'm when I'm looking at this is, obviously okay.
• 1:24:39
  We we we've seen that there's a willingness to to bend and cheat with the elections. Okay? Of course. I guess it's how they've maintained their power for so long. But I think what it comes down to is that will enough American people see through this, and will enough people actually come out and stand up for truth?
• 1:24:58
  Because without without saying, I'm left, you're right, or, you know, getting pulled into the, you know, the the whole left right dynamic, just saying that you stand for truth, like, want truth. Like, I wanna look at the the debate like this and have everything fact checked. Right? Because there's a lot of lies, and the problem is is that for a lot of people, and this is where why we are where we are now as a country, when they hear lies on the television coming from some news anchor, they they believe them. Right?
• 1:25:25
  So they're gonna believe, you know, January 6 and stuff. But what we've all stopped, you know, kinda leading up to this is that the public trust in television has dropped. It's plummeted in America. So, yeah, again, I I I feel like I'm in a similar place to where I was at the at the you know, before the show started and just, like, I'm not sure where I'm really at with this. So, anyway, the, it's back on.
• 1:25:46
  Let's go ahead and pull it back up. And and, like, I hope it ends soon, personally. I'm not sure about you, but I I just I don't find this very enjoyable to watch. But I'm here for you. I'm sacrificing for you.
• 1:25:55
  So here here they are.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: Into this conflict. Mister president, it has been the position of the Biden administration that we must defend Ukraine from Russia, from Vladimir Putin, to defend their sovereignty, their democracy, that it's in America's best interest to do so, arguing that if Putin wins, he may be emboldened to move even further into other countries. You have said you would solve this war in twenty four hours. You said so just before the break tonight. How exactly would you do that?
• 1:26:22
  And I wanna ask you a very simple question tonight. Do you want Ukraine to win this war?
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 6: I want the war to stop. I wanna save lives that are being uselessly people being killed by the millions. It's the millions. It's so much worse than the numbers that you're getting, which are fake numbers. Look.
• 1:26:41
  We're in for 250,000,000,000 or more because they don't ask Europe, which is a much bigger beneficiary to getting this thing done than we are. They're in for a hundred and $50,000,000,000 less because Biden and you don't have the courage to ask Europe like I did with NATO. They paid billions and billions, hundreds of billions of dollars when I said, either you pay up or we're not gonna protect you anymore. So that's maybe one of the reasons they don't like me as much as they like weak people. But you take a look at what's happening.
• 1:27:15
  We're in for 250 to 275,000,000,000. They're into a hundred to a hundred and 50. They should be forced to equalize. With that being said, I wanna get the war settled. I know Zelenskyy very well, and I know Putin very well.
• 1:27:30
  I have a good relationship, and they respect your president. Okay? They respect me. They don't respect Biden. How would you respect him?
• 1:27:38
  Why? For what reason? He hasn't even made a phone call in two years to Putin. Hasn't spoken to anybody. They don't even try and get it.
• 1:27:45
  That is a war that's dying to be settled. I will get it settled before I even become president if I win when I'm president-elect. And what I'll do is I'll speak to one, I'll speak to the other, I'll get them together, that war would have never happened. And in fact, when I saw Putin after I left, unfortunately left because our our country has gone to hell. But after I left, when I saw him building up soldiers, he did it after I left.
• 1:28:11
  I said, oh, he must be negotiating. It must be a good strong point of negotiation. Well, it wasn't because Biden had no idea how to talk to him. He had no idea how to stop it. And now you have millions of people dead, and it's only getting worse, and it could lead to World War three.
• 1:28:28
  Don't kid yourself, David. We're playing with World War three, and we have a president that we don't even know if he's where is our president? We don't even know if he's a president.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: And just to clarify here.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 6: Threw him out of a campaign like a dog. We don't even know. Is he our president? But we have a president
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: Mister president.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 6: That doesn't know he's alive.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: Your time is up. And with the just to clarify in the question, do you believe it's in The US best interest for Ukraine to win this war? Yes or no?
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 6: I think it's The US best interest to get this war finished and just get it done. Alright. Negotiate a deal because we have to stop all of these human lives from being destroyed.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: I wanna take this to vice president Harris. I wanna get your thoughts on, support for Ukraine in this moment. But, also, as commander in chief, if elected, how would you deal with Vladimir Putin, and would it be any different from what we're seeing from president Biden?
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, it's important to remind the former president you're not running against Joe Biden. You're running against me. I believe the reason that Donald Trump says that this war would be over within twenty four hours is because he would just give it up, And that's not who we are as Americans. Let's understand what happened here. I actually met with Zelensky a few days before Russia invaded, tried through force to change territorial boundaries, to defy one of the most important international rules and norms, which is the importance of sovereignty and territorial integrity.
• 1:29:53
  And I met with president Zelensky. I shared with him American intelligence about how he could defend himself. Days later, I went to NATO's eastern flank to Poland and Romania. And through the work that I and others did, we brought 50 countries together to support Ukraine in its righteous defense. And because of our support, because of the air defense, the ammunition, the artillery, the Javelins, the Abrams tanks that we have provided, Ukraine stands as an independent and free country.
• 1:30:26
  If Donald Trump were president, Putin would be sitting in Kyiv right now. And understand what that would mean because Putin's agenda is not just about Ukraine. Understand why the European allies and our NATO allies are so thankful that you are no longer president and that we understand the importance of the greatest military alliance the world has ever known, which is NATO, and what we have done to preserve the ability of Zelenskyy and the Ukrainians to fight for their independence. Otherwise, Putin would be sitting in Kyiv with his eyes on the rest of Europe, starting with Poland. And why don't you tell the 800,000 Polish Americans right here in Pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the sake of favor and what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: Vice president Harris, thank you. We've heard from both of you on Ukraine tonight. Afghanistan came up in the last hour. I I wanted her to respond to something you said earlier, and I'll please, I'll I'll give you a minute here.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 6: Putin would be sitting in Moscow, and he wouldn't have lost 300,000 men and women, but he would have been sitting in Moscow quiet, please. He would have been sitting in Moscow much happier than he is right now. But, eventually, you know, he's got a thing that other people don't have. He's got nuclear weapons. They don't ever talk about that.
• 1:31:52
  Got nuclear weapons. Nobody ever thinks about that. And, eventually, maybe he'll use him, and maybe he hasn't been that threatening. But he does have that, something we don't even like to talk about. Nobody likes to talk about it.
• 1:32:06
  But just so you understand, they sent her to negotiate peace before this war started. Three days later, he went in and he started the war because everything they said was weak and stupid. They said the wrong things. That war should have never started. She was the emissary.
• 1:32:23
  They sent her in to negotiate with Zelensky and Putin, and she did. And the war started three days later. Vice president. The kind of talent we have with her. She's worse than Biden.
• 1:32:35
  In my opinion, I think he's the worst president in the history of our country. She goes down as the worst vice president in the history of our country. But let me tell you something. She is a horrible negotiator. They sent her in to negotiate as soon as they left.
• 1:32:49
  Putin did the invasion.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: President Trump, thank you. You did bring up something. You said she went to negotiate with Vladimir Putin. Vice president Harris, have you ever met Vladimir Putin? Can you clarify tonight?
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: Yet again, I said it at the beginning of this debate. You're gonna hear a bunch of lies coming from this fellow, and that is another one. When I went to meet with president Zelensky, I've now met with him over five times. The reality is it has been about standing as America always should, as a leader upholding international new rules and norms, as a leader who shows strength, understanding that the alliances we have around the world are dependent on our ability to look out for our friends and not favor our enemies because you adore strongmen instead of caring about democracy. And that is very much what is at stake here.
• 1:33:42
  The president of The United States is commander in chief, and the American people have a right to rely on a president who understands the significance of America's role and responsibility in terms of ensuring that there is stability and ensuring we stand up for our principles and not sell them for the for the benefit of personal flattery.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: We've talked about Ukraine and Vladimir Putin. I do wanna talk about Afghanistan. It came up in in the first hour of this debate. I I I wanna move on to Afghanistan.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 6: Said Trump did the most amazing thing I've ever seen. He got these countries, the 28 countries at the time, to pay up. He said, I've never seen he's the head of NATO. He said, I've never seen for years, we were paying almost all of NATO. We were being ripped off by European nations both on trade and on NATO.
• 1:34:35
  I got them to pay up by saying one of the statements you made before, If you don't pay, we're not gonna protect you. Otherwise, we would have never gotten it. He said it was one of the most incredible jobs that he's ever seen done.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: Thank you. I wanna turn to Afghanistan. It came up in the first hour of the debate, and we witnessed a a poignant moment today on Capitol Hill honoring the soldiers who died in the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan. I do wanna ask the vice president, do you believe you bear any responsibility in the way that withdrawal played out?
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: Well, I will tell you I agreed with president Biden's decision to pull out of Afghanistan. Four Presidents said they would, and Joe Biden did. And as a result, America's taxpayers are not paying the $300,000,000 a day. We were paying for that endless war. And as of today, there is not one member of the United States military who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world, the first time this century.
• 1:35:33
  But let's understand how we got to where we are. Donald Trump, when he was president, negotiated one of the weakest deals you can imagine. He calls himself a dealmaker. Even his national security adviser said, it was a weak, terrible deal. And here's how it went down.
• 1:35:50
  He bypassed the Afghan government. He negotiated directly with a terrorist organization called the Taliban. The negotiation involved the Taliban getting 5,000 terrorists Taliban terrorists released, and get this. No. Get this.
• 1:36:06
  And the president at the time invited the Taliban to Camp David, a place of storied significance for us as Americans, a place where we honor the importance of American diplomacy, where we invite and receive respected world leaders. And this former president, as president, invited them to Camp David because he does not again appreciate the role and responsibility of the president of The United States to be commander in chief with a level of respect. And this gets back to the point of how he has consistently disparaged and demeaned members of our military, fallen soldiers, and the work that we must do to uphold the strength and the respect of The United States Of America around the world.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: Vice president Harris, thank you. President Trump, your response to her saying that you began the negotiation Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Thank with
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  Speaker 4: the Taliban.
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  Speaker 6: So if you take a look at that period of time, the Taliban was killing our soldiers, a lot of them, with snipers. And I got involved with the Taliban because the Taliban was doing the killing. That's the fighting force within Afghanistan. They don't bother doing that because, you know, they deal with the wrong people all the time. But I got involved, and Abdul is the head of the Taliban.
• 1:37:33
  He is still the head of the Taliban. And I told Abdul, don't do it anymore. You do it anymore. You're gonna have problems. And he said, why do you send me a picture of my house?
• 1:37:42
  I said, you're gonna have to figure that out, Abdul. And for eighteen months, we had nobody killed. We did have an agreement negotiated by Mike Pompeo. It was a very good agreement. The reason it was good, it was we were getting out.
• 1:37:55
  We would have been out faster than them, but we wouldn't have lost the soldiers. We wouldn't have left many Americans behind, and we wouldn't have left we wouldn't have left $85,000,000,000 worth of brand new beautiful military equipment behind. And just to finish, they blew it. The agreement said you have to do this, this, this, this, this, and they didn't do it. They didn't do it.
• 1:38:18
  The agreement was was terminated by us because they didn't do what they were supposed to do.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 4: I wanna move
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 6: on. These people did the worst withdrawal, and in my opinion, the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country. And by the way, that's why Russia attacked Ukraine because they saw how incompetent she and her boss are.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: President Trump, thank you. I wanna move on now to race and politics in this country. Mister president, you recently said of vice president Harris, quote, I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black, and now she wants to be known as black. I wanna ask a bigger picture question here tonight. Why do you believe it's appropriate to weigh in on the racial identity of your opponent?
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 6: I don't, and I don't care. I don't care what she is. I don't care. You make a big deal out of something. I couldn't care less.
• 1:39:09
  Whatever she wants to be is okay with me.
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  Speaker 4: But those were your words. So I'm
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  Speaker 6: just I don't I mean, all I can say is I read where she was not black that she put out, and I'll say that. And then I read that she was black, and that's okay. Either one was okay with me. That's up to her. That's up to her.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: Vice president Harris, your thoughts on this?
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: I think it's I mean, honestly, I think it's a tragedy that we have someone who wants to be president who has consistently, over the course of his career, attempted to use race to divide the American people. You know, I do believe that the vast majority of us know that we have so much more in common than what separates us, and we don't want this kind of approach that is just constantly trying to divide us, and especially by race. And let's remember how Donald Trump started. He was a a land. He owned land.
• 1:40:06
  He owned buildings, and he he was investigated because he refused to rent property to black families. Let's remember, this is the same individual who took out a full page ad in the New York Times calling for the execution of five young black and Latino boys who were innocent, the Central Park Five, took out a full page ad calling for their execution. This is the same individual who spread birther lies about the first black president of The United States. And I think the American people want better than that, want better than this, want someone who understands as I do. I travel our country.
• 1:40:57
  We see in each other a friend. We see in each other a neighbor. We don't want a leader who is constantly trying to have Americans point their fingers at each other. I meet with people all the time who tell me, can we please just have discourse about how we're going to invest in the aspirations and the ambitions and the dreams of the American people? Knowing that regardless of people's color or the language their grandmother speaks, we all have the same dreams and aspirations and want a president who invest in those, not in hate and division.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: Vice president Harris. Thank you. Lindsey?
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 5: President Trump, this is now your third time.
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  Speaker 6: This is the most divisive presidency in the history of our country. There's never been anything like it. They're destroying our country, and they come up with things like what she just said. Going back many, many years when a lot of people, including mayor Bloomberg, agreed with me on the Central Park 5. They admitted.
• 1:42:00
  They said they plead guilty. And I said, well, if they plead guilty, they badly hurt a person, killed a person ultimately. And if they plead guilty, then they plead, we're not guilty. But this is a person that has to stretch back years, forty, fifty years ago because there's nothing now. I built one of the greatest economies in the history of the world, and I'm gonna build it again.
• 1:42:25
  It's gonna be bigger, better, and stronger, but they're destroying our economy. They have no idea what a good economy is. Their oil policies, every single policy. And remember this, she is Biden. You know, she's trying to get away from Biden.
• 1:42:39
  I don't know the gentleman she says. She is Biden. The worst inflation we've ever had, a horrible economy because inflation has made it so bad that she can't get away with that.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: Thank you. Your time is up.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: I wanna respond to that, though. I wanna just respond briefly. Clearly, I am not Joe Biden, and I am certainly not Donald Trump. And what I do offer is a new generation of leadership for our country. One who believes in what is possible.
• 1:43:09
  One who brings a sense of optimism about what we can do instead of always disparaging the American people. I believe in what we can do to strengthen our small businesses, which is why I have a plan. Let's talk about our plans, and and let's compare the plans. I have a plan to give start up businesses $50,000 tax deduction, to pursue their ambitions, their innovation, their ideas, their hard work. I have a plan, $6,000, for young families for the first year of your child's life to help you in that most critical stage of your child's development.
• 1:43:52
  I have a plan that is about allowing people to be able to pursue what has been fleeting in terms of the American dream by offering a help with down payment of $25,000 down payment assistance for first time homebuyers. That's the kind of conversation, I believe, David, that people really want tonight as opposed to a conversation that is constantly about belittling and name calling. Let's turn the page.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: Vice president Harris. Forward. Thank you. Let's turn to policy. Let's turn to policy.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 5: Move on. President Trump Let's
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: turn to policy, please.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 6: Plan to defund the police. She has a plan to confiscate everybody's gun.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 5: President Trump
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  Speaker 6: has plan
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  Speaker 5: to move on to
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 6: moderators. Fracking in Pennsylvania or anywhere else.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: Okay. Thank you.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 6: That's what her plan is until just recently.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: I I just need to go ahead
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: and let Trump. No. The president Trump president has said something twice that I
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: need to respond to. I'm sorry. We're gonna we're gonna move on vice president. To what he has now your third time running for president. You have long vowed to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare.
• 1:44:58
  You have failed to accomplish that. You now say you're gonna keep Obamacare, quote, unless we can do something much better. Correct. Last month, you said, quote, we're working on it. So tonight, nine years after you first started running, do you have a plan, and can you tell us what it is?
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 6: Obamacare was lousy health care. Always was. It's not very good today. And what I said that if we come up with something and we are working on things, we're gonna do it, and we're gonna replace it. But remember this, I inherited Obamacare because Democrats wouldn't change it.
• 1:45:29
  They wouldn't vote for it. They were unanimous. They wouldn't vote to change it. If they would've done that, we would've had a much better plan than Obamacare. But the Democrats came up.
• 1:45:38
  They wouldn't vote for it. I had a choice to make when I was president. Do I save it and make it as good as it can be? Never gonna be great. Or do I let it rot?
• 1:45:49
  And I felt I had an obligation, even though politically, it would have been good to just let it rot and let it go away. I decided, and I told my people, the top people, and they're very good people. I have a lot of good people in this that administration. We read about the bad ones. We had some real bad ones too, and so do they.
• 1:46:05
  They have really bad ones. The difference is they don't get rid of them. But let me just explain. I had a choice to make. Do I save it and make it as good as it can be, or do I let it rot?
• 1:46:15
  And I saved it. I did the right thing. But it's still never going to be great, and it's too expensive for people. And what we will do is we're looking at different plans. If we can come up with a plan that's gonna cost our people, our population less money, and be better health care than Obamacare, then I would absolutely do it.
• 1:46:36
  But until then, I'd run it as good as it can be run.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: So just a yes or no, you still do not have a plan?
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 6: I have concepts of a plan. I'm not president right now. But if we come up with something, I would only change it if we come up with something that's better and less expensive. And there are concepts and options we we have to do that. And you'll be hearing about it in the not too distant future.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 5: Vice president Harris, in 2017, you supported Bernie Sanders proposal to do away with private insurance and create a government run health care system. Two years later, you proposed a plan that included a private insurance option. What is your plan today?
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I absolutely support and over the last four years as vice president, private health care options. But what we need to do is maintain and grow the Affordable Care Act. But I I'll I'll get to that, Lindsay. I just need to respond to a previous point that the former president has made. I've made very clear my position on fracking.
• 1:47:31
  And then this business about taking everyone's guns away. Tim Walls and I are both gun owners. We're not taking anybody's guns away, so stop with the continuous lying about this stuff. As it relates to the Affordable Care Act, understand, let just look at the history to know where people stand. When Donald Trump was president, sixty times he tried to get rid of the Affordable Care Act.
• 1:47:52
  60 times. I was a senator at the time when I will never forget the early morning hours when it was up for a vote in the United States Senate and the late, great John McCain, who you have disparaged as being you don't like him, you said, at the time because he got caught. He was an American hero. The late, great John McCain, I will never forget that night, walked onto the senate floor and said, no. You don't.
• 1:48:23
  No. You don't. No. You don't get rid of the Affordable Care Act. You have no plan.
• 1:48:28
  And what the Affordable Care Act has done is eliminate the ability of insurance companies to deny people with preexisting conditions. I don't have to tell the people watching tonight, you remember what that was like? Remember when an insurance company could deny if a child had asthma, if someone was a breast cancer survivor, if a if a grandparent had diabetes? And, thankfully, as I've been vice president and we, over the last four years, have strengthened the Affordable Care Act, We have allowed for the first time Medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf of you, the American people. Donald Trump said he was gonna allow Medicare to negotiate pry drug prices.
• 1:49:07
  He never did. We did. And now we have capped the cost of insulin at $35 a month. Since I've been vice president, we have capped the cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2,000 a year. And when I am president, we will do that for all people, understanding that the value I bring to this is that access to health care should be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it.
• 1:49:31
  And the plan has to be to strengthen the Affordable Care Act, not get rid of it, fast as prologue in terms of where Donald Trump stands on that.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 5: I wanna move to an issue that's important for
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: a lot.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 6: A mistake. At number one, John McCain fought Obamacare for ten years, but it wasn't only him. It were all of the Democrats that kept it going. And you know what? We could do much better than Obamacare, much less money.
• 1:49:58
  But she won't improve private insurance for people, private medical insurance. That's another thing she doesn't wanna people are paying privately for insurance that have worked hard and made money, and they wanna have private. She wants everybody to be on government insurance where you wait six months for an operation that you need immediately.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 5: Trump, thank you. We have another issue that we'd like to get to that's important for a number of Americans, in particular younger voters, that's climate change. President Trump, with regard to the environment, you say that we have to have clean air and clean water. Vice president Harris, you call climate change an existential threat. The question to you both tonight is what would you do to fight climate change?
• 1:50:39
  And Vice President Harris, we'll start with you. One minute for you each.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: Well, the former president had said that climate change is a hoax. And what we know is that it is very real. You ask anyone who lives in a state who has experienced these extreme weather occurrences, who now is either being denied home insurance or is being jacked up. You ask anybody who has been, the victim of what that means in terms of losing their home, having nowhere to go. We know that we can actually deal with this issue.
• 1:51:09
  The young people of America care deeply about this issue. And I am proud that as vice president over the last four years, we have invested a trillion dollars in a clean energy economy while we have also increased domestic gas production to historic levels. We have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs while I have been vice president. We have invested in clean energy to the point that we are opening up factories around the world. Donald Trump said he was gonna create manufacturing jobs.
• 1:51:39
  He lost manufacturing jobs. And I'm also proud to have the endorsement of the United Auto Workers and Sean Fain, who also know that part of building a clean energy economy includes investing in American made products, American automobiles. It includes growing what we can do around American manufacturing and opening up auto plants, not closing them like happened under Donald Trump. Vice president Harris, thank you.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 6: That didn't happen under Donald Trump. Let me just tell you. They lost 10,000 manufacturing jobs this last month. It's going they're all leaving. They're building big auto plants in Mexico, in many cases, owned by China.
• 1:52:21
  They're building these massive plants, and they think they're gonna sell their cars into The United States because of these people. What they have given to China is unbelievable, but we're not gonna let that. We'll put tariffs on those cars so they can't come into our country because they will kill the United Auto Workers and any auto worker, whether it's in Detroit or South Carolina or any other place. What they've done to business and manufacturing in this country is horrible. We have nothing because they they refuse.
• 1:52:52
  You know, Biden doesn't go after people because supposedly China paid a millions of dollars. He's afraid to do it between him and his son. They get all this money from Ukraine. They get all this money from all of these different countries. And then you wonder why is he so loyal to this one, that one, Ukraine, China?
• 1:53:09
  Why is he? Why did he get 3 and a half million dollars from the mayor of Moscow's Wife? Why did he get why did she pay him 3 and a half million dollars? This is a crooked administration, and they're selling our country down the tubes.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 5: President Trump, thank you.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: We'll be right back with closing statements from both of our candidates, a historic night, this ABC News presidential debate from Philadelphia. Back in a moment.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 7: The ABC News presidential debate will continue after this.
• 1:53:48
  Seth Holehouse: Wow. Thankfully, we're at at the end of this where they're coming back with their closing remarks. And I'll I'll give you some of my closing remarks now because I won't be sticking along for too long after this is this has ended. The there's a few observations. One is that I I believe in watching now since, you know, since seeing this that she must have had access to the questions and that they prepared very scripted answers for those questions and even scripted answers for the potential answers that that Trump would be giving.
• 1:54:28
  If you listen to her speak, it's it's it's eloquent. Right? You know, it's the she's using a lot of the psychology of of speech writers, repetition. My plan. My plan.
• 1:54:40
  My plan. Like, this is this is an Obama speech is what you're hearing. It's I mean, that's that's my assessment. Right? It sounds like it's Obama except more nasal and and dressed as a female.
• 1:54:53
  Like, that's the best, you know, way to describe it. It's obviously very unfair. It's pitted you know, it's really it's three against one. But there's just something that there's something that seems so off about the whole thing. Like, I it reminds me actually of the night that I was watching the twenty twenty election, and I'm sure you recall that.
• 1:55:14
  I remember when I think it was Brett Baer, he announced that, they the Arizona went to Biden when it was think it was, like, at 60% votes were in, and it was just this gut punch. Like, something's really wrong. And that's my sense. And not not quite as much, but my sense in watching this is just that there's something really off. It's not it's not real.
• 1:55:38
  Like, that that's that's why I come to it. I think that try I think that president Trump is real. But the the hosts and the questions and Kamala's responses, it it it feels like a very, very skilled production. And look. I have to give her credit.
• 1:55:55
  Like, I have to give her credit. It's not easy to to memorize so much, or maybe she has, like, a Bluetooth in her ear. I don't know. But it's not easy to just sit there and and do what she's done. Right?
• 1:56:09
  Trump is a fierce he's a fierce opponent, and she's held her ground. Now her body language is saying something differently. You know, there's other things like that, but yeah. It's it's a it's a strange it's it's a strange thing watching this, I I I have to say. And I I can see the comments coming in, and and you're you're feeling the same.
• 1:56:29
  So yeah. I mean, we'll see what their closing comments are. I I think that, you know, my perspective, if I was sitting in Trump's shoes, it would be I I would talk to the actual viewer and say, look, you, like, the you sitting right here watching this, whether you're watching it through a computer screen or a TV, look around you. Look around the country that you're living in right now. Look at the country what it's been in the past three years.
• 1:56:56
  Do you want four more years of this? It's very simple. It's very simple. It's like the opponent that I'm running against is currently the vice president of The United States. She bears responsibility for where The United States is currently at.
• 1:57:12
  And so it's a very simple question to you, the voter. Do you want four more years of what you are currently experiencing? Like, to me, that's that's all that he needs to say. He doesn't need to get into defending himself about, you know, pipelines and talk about what world leaders have said about him because people don't they don't need to hear that. They wanna hear something that speaks to them as the American voter.
• 1:57:37
  So and that just again, it's easy to give my armchair commentary as I'm sitting here cozy in my studio. I'm not the one that they're up at up there on stage, but I feel like that that kind of message is actually the message that drives things home because that's what it is. It's just simple. Like, every American that's voting currently lives and is experiencing America. And it's a simple question of, like, do you want more of this?
• 1:58:01
  Right? Like and and that's it's not like it's actually, in a lot of ways, it's not being political. It's just like it's just asking someone. Like, say, you've got a very liberal friend and saying, like, okay. Be honest question, man.
• 1:58:13
  Do you want former years of what we're currently living under? And maybe some people do, but I think that most people don't. So the debate's back on now, and let's let's let's jump back for the closing comments. We'll see how how this finishes up.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: Statements and vice president Harris, we begin with you.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: So I think you've heard tonight two very different visions for our country. One that is focused on the future, and the other that is focused on the past, and an attempt to take us backward. But we're not going back. And I do believe that the American people know we all have so much more in common than what separates us, and we can chart a new way forward. And a vision of that includes having a plan, understanding the aspirations, the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the American people, which is why I intend to create an opportunity economy, investing in small businesses, in new families, in what we can do around protecting seniors, what we can do that is about giving hardworking folks a break and bringing down the cost of living.
• 1:59:29
  I believe in what we can do together that is about sustaining America's standing in the world and ensuring that we have the respect that we so rightly deserve, including respecting our military and ensuring we have the most lethal fighting force in the world. I will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms, including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do. I'll tell you, I started my career as a prosecutor. I was a DA. I was an attorney general, a United States Senator, and now vice president.
• 2:00:05
  I've only had one client, the people. And I'll tell you, as a prosecutor, I never asked a victim or a witness, are you a Republican or a Democrat? The only thing I ever asked them, are you okay? And that's the kind of president we need right now, someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first. I intend to be a president for all Americans and focus on what we can do over the next ten and twenty years to build back up our country by investing right now in you, the American people.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 5: Vice president Harris, thank you. President Trump?
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 6: So she just started by saying she's gonna do this, she's gonna do that, she's gonna do all these wonderful things. Why hasn't she done it? She's been there for three and a half years. They've had three and a half years to fix the border. They've had three and a half years to create jobs and all the things we talked about.
• 2:01:03
  Why hasn't she done it? She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful White House, go to the capital, get everyone together, and do the things you wanna do, but you haven't done it, and you won't do it because you believe in things that the American people don't believe in. You believe in things like, we're not gonna frack. We're not gonna take fossil fuel. We're not gonna do things that are going to make this country strong whether you like it or not.
• 2:01:28
  Germany tried that, and within one year, they were back to building normal energy plants. We're not ready for it. We can't sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision. But I just ask one simple question. Why didn't she do it?
• 2:01:45
  We're a failing nation. We're a nation that's in serious decline. We're being laughed at all over the world. All over the world, they laugh. I know the leaders very well.
• 2:01:55
  They're coming to see me. They call me. We're laughed at all over the world. They don't understand what happened to us as a nation. We're not a leader.
• 2:02:03
  We don't have any idea what's going on. We have wars going on in The Middle East. We have wars going on with Russia and Ukraine. We're gonna end up in a third world war, and it'll be a war like no other because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. I rebuilt our entire military.
• 2:02:22
  She gave a lot of it away to the Taliban. She gave it to Afghanistan. What these people have done to our country, and maybe toughest of all, is allowing millions of people to come into our country. Many of them are criminals, and they're destroying our country. The worst president, the worst vice president in the history of our country.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 5: President Trump, thank you. And that is our ABC News presidential debate from here in Philadelphia at the National Constitution Center.
• 2:02:53
  Seth Holehouse: I'm sorry. I I can't listen to these two hosts anymore. So I'll give you my my quick thoughts. As I said, I'm not gonna stay here too late, but I I do feel like that Trump hit it home with the with his his closing statement there. I do think that he he made the right points.
• 2:03:11
  And this is his thing, it's really simple. Okay? It's really simple. It's folks, the American voters, you that are watching right now, I have two questions for you. One question is, do you want former years of what you're currently living in America?
• 2:03:31
  If you do, then vote for Harris. Second question, do you believe that all the promises that she's gonna make to change the country will actually happen if right now they have the power to between her and Biden? Why aren't they being changed? It's it's exact point that that Trump made. To me, that that's what it boils down to.
• 2:03:54
  But I'm curious to see what the media coverage is on this. I'm I'm I'm guessing I haven't checked it because I'm obviously watching this. You're gonna see a lot of the main, you know, New York Times and, you know, you know, what whatever the different media are. CNN, they're they're gonna be praising her performance. They're gonna be criticizing Trump.
• 2:04:11
  You know, we're watching we're watching theater, folks. We're watching theater. This is wag the dog. It's it's it's production. Now I don't think Trump is part of the theater, but almost everything else is is absolutely orchestrated.
• 2:04:26
  It's orchestrated to lead the public off a cliff. Like, that's, you know, to our to to the death of America and the death of us. So, unfortunately, that's where I think that we are. But, again, as I I mentioned in the comments, and I'll see say it here too is we've still got two months roughly, almost two months. Right?
• 2:04:42
  A little bit less than that, I think, before the election. So a lot can change, a lot can happen, and a lot of people can become more active. But what it does show me is that when you look at the amount of lies that were put out there tonight, it makes me very, what's the right word, it gives me a sense of purpose in doing what I'm doing, being able to get truth out there, and what I believe to be the truth. I'm not not saying that everything I speak is truth, but I'm really I'm I'm I'm very genuinely trying to find what's real in this world. I'm trying to sort through the lies and find what's actually real.
• 2:05:19
  And so I think that for those of us and for you that are watching and for me that the work that we've put in to educating people about what's really happening and helping people see through the lies and everything, it's really important. And and it will only increase. The importance of it will only increase. So, folks, thank you for being here. Thank you for, you know, watching this with me.
• 2:05:42
  It was kinda painful, but we we we we stuck with it. We we we got through it together. And I've got I think I've got another great interview coming up tomorrow night. We've got some great content coming up the rest of the week. So tune in 10PM eastern, the rest of the week.
• 2:05:55
  So Monday through Friday, 10PM eastern, and I'll see you there. So, folks, thank you so much. Take care. God bless. Have a wonderful night.
• 2:06:02
  Try to get some sleep tonight. What you know, whatever you have to do. Just just get some sleep tonight. Wake up tomorrow fresh. You know, go outside and breathe some morning air.
• 2:06:10
  Get some morning sun. It's gonna be alright. Alright, folks. Take you. Thank you.
• 2:06:15
  Take care.