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We Had Dinner with CTP and all We Got Was More Questions · Archons Corner

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  Me, your grandmama, me lonely. It's a moment when wow, everywhere
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  I go, catch me on the block like a mutambo seven a utestino,
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  trunk in the front like a shit Dumbo. That magical record button and start
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  the show? What's going on? Everybody? I am the one, the
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  only, the w O Okay, I joined here by the again. I
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  don't know, like we're like sixteen misfits short of a twenty piece nugget.
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  I don't know what's going on, but we have the PhD of key Forge
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  doctor sheet Hello, we have the choke show himself double downing on that name
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  more than ever. The daz cor Yeah. So which nugget am I like?
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  Which nuggish number are shaped? One? Yeah, that's the best one,
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  the boot the bell I forgot one? What is it talking about?
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  The T shirt? Kids love dinas shape nuggets. Kids will tell you that
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  they always take it taste at least ten to twenty percent better if they're dinosaur
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  shaped. Yeah, how can you taste ten percent better? I mean you
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  with the kids right, they would know you wouldn't get it, But we
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  got we gotta invite our special guests this week who got to have a very
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  I don't know what that means. It sounds French, and we're gonna roll
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  with dinner. You might have just pissed off everybody. Listen. AC has
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  been pissing off people since twenty nineteen. And we stopping now. We got
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  mammon, what's going on? Manon? Happy to be here? And we
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  got so far. Yeah, you may be regretting those choices later, and
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  we got stragion. Is it strange and strategy? How do I say it
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  strange? I don't care. Okay, I'll be mispronounced order for pronunciations that
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  people. I just roll with it. Don't worry. I'll be is pronouncing
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  it later. So these two, so this definitely happened to be an avault.
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  When I said hi to med Apps and I was like, hey,
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  so is it like med Apps or do you say it some other way?
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  And he just like looks at me. He's like now, I'm not sure
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  what he wanted to I was like, well, did you say it that
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  way? He's like, I don't know. You know, you made the
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  name. Whatever. But these two fine gentlemen got to have a lovely dinner.
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  They were wined and dined by CTP. To put more money into the
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  Game Found. Then they actually I'm just kidding. I think this was after
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  the Game Found was done. But they did win the contest, the drawing
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  the raffle to have a dinner with CTP. So how was it, guys?
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  Was it everything you hoped for? And you treat you guys like ladies?
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  He sure did? You wind and dined? You did? The food
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  taste ten better being that it was paid for by g If it had been
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  dinosaur shaped it would have. Yeah, I don't know who the who was
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  paying for it made it taste better? Well, I mean, what did
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  you eat? This is the most important question I had some I think it
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  was cherry balsamic glazed salmon. Oh yeh up? This fancy? Yeah,
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  order five things, but I was gonna get something decent. How I went
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  with the primary special? Pretty decent? Yeah, yeah, dessert, So
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  man, order order whatever you guys want. We got that sweet sweet game
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  Found money. You guys already paid for it your money? Pretty sure?
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  This was coming out of the leftover prize pool from this year. Oh yes,
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  yes, it's actually the money they were going to use on the glass
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  trophies. It's but now it's just how it went to dinner. So all
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  right, so we are going to kind of go Stragen was kind enough to
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  give us a thirty seven point by point play. This is like e walk
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  level of like, yeah, maybe we'll find out there's an ridiculous amount of
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  notes that you took string in, like so many notes. So we're going
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  to kind of get a point by point and we are going to a thousand
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  percent get lost along the way because like everybody on this show, we all
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  have add apologies to those out there who actually have add but what what you
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  want to write books? Yeah? Are we even going to get their point
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  six? Yeah? Probably not. So let's start out, okay, and
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  Strangen I believe these are all his notes if I am not. Yeah,
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  So first you do for work that you're so good at note taking? He
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  takes notes, dumb ass, Yeah, just I just take notes for other
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  people in the company. Do have you ever seen those such and such for
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  dummies? That's what Strangen does. He writes those That's what I am.
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  He writes cliff notes for us morons who don't want to actually read the book.
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  I'm setting the bar high for whoever wins this in Baltimore. There you
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  go, all right, so biggest thing. First point First, he says,
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  I do remember him saying that three hundred thousand was going to be considered
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  a wild success for the Woe campaign, and that stands for anyone after any
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  any I'm guessing any game found after it as well. I don't remember if
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  he was including retail sales numbers for that total. So three hundred k is
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  the real Remember we've all asked what's the real number, because we all know
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  it ain't fifty thousand dollars. Sounds like it's three hundred k. I think
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  that number was just crowdfunding, but that was for buying. They had to
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  buy printers with that, right, I mean they had to buy a lot
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  of a lot of stuff. They had printers. They just had to buy
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  packaging material. This was for WHOA, So they had to buy the packaging
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  machine. Yeah maybe, yeah, it was I think with the machine that
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  wraps all the decks were on. I don't know, but anything thereafter three
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  hundred thousand is going to be considered a wild success. And uh, well
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  it's we hit it again, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children
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  of all ages. So good job, question Mark. I don't really know
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  it's enough to keep the lights on and we keep forging keys. We do
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  get to keep forging mega keys. Mega. Yes, I don't know.
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  I'm curious to see what this mega key thing is going to do for us,
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  what it's going to look like. I don't know. We'll see deck
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  coppies are still coming. He sent us. Was it four to six weeks?
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  Is that what they said? What did he say in Times Fame?
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  We did not get a time frame, very dodgy of a time frame for
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  almost anything. We did get a link to a website I think. I
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  don't know if he has that link in the notes, but it's it was
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  something that he said, they're doing print on demand already for a semon game.
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  Yes, so it's like they're doing on demand for some sort of un
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  thank you game of Thrones. That was it. But he did say that
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  storefront page I believe is something like what the intended final version of the key
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  Forge one would look like. But you would go from the master ball,
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  click a button. It would give you a token to be able to purchase
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  your deck, and you'd go to a similar page to that link that he
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  sent us too. He did say Forge I guess Keth Forge has migrated over
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  to forge Fire zero point nine or whatever it was at zero point one.
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  So that was like the big hurdle they had to get past actually making deck
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  printing a reality, and it's it happened with no hiccups, so he said,
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  so you know, it might be closer than we think it might not
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  be. And just so everyone out there in Radio Lanta is a where a
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  WILDI Walk has appeared. If you want to capture there he is. If
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  you want to capture him, get out your master balls now. Uh ewok,
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  what numbered nugget are you? He missed that portion. Well he's the
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  mute nugget. Don't worry about Yeah, he's a mute nugget, right,
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  my nuggets to be mute. So we had talked about dream Trace, solegit,
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  I don't know. I think we talked about on the show. But
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  originally dream Trace was like their VR cafe type deally, which I guess shut
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  down, but that has now become the brand for their little pucks that they
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  saw. I can't lie. I like them. I dig them. They
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  are fun. They are really really good, unbertokens. As much as I
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  hate saying that, because originally I look at them. I touched on,
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  I felt them, and I'm like, these are lame, And the more
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  I use them, I'm like, I actually really like these. So dream
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  Trace ended up being less of a pivot from VR and more like a reuse
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  of a company name that they were already wanting to do tokens. Anyways,
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  I asked what we had to do to get key forge logos on some tokens,
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  and he said, and oh, you gotta will see, and did
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  give it to you in like a dad tone, we'll see kind of.
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  Yeah, there was no wink, but it was sort of implied by the
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  boys, but also condescendingly, Oh you didn't give me what I mean,
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  you didn't get the wink in the gun like yeah, sort of like what
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  E wok talks to you. No, no condescension from me. Also mentioned
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  they're working to the students that are just you know, well, I'm assuming
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  he's at home now. I'm hoping he's still not teaching at eight forty seven
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  on a Thursday. Yeh, I could be, you know, I would
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  hope for his sake. Anyway, all right, Uh, all off.
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  The reason they're making general game tokens they noticed there were fewer and fewer companies
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  doing it compared to a few years ago, and they thought they could try
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  and fill a spot in the market. I don't. I mean, those
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  companies probably went out of business, but sure, I mean you can still
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  buy some of the old FFG ones wearn't on the street like those are I
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  think still being thinured. That was the one he mentioned mostly disappearing from the
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  market, was that DEFFG wasn't making theirs anymore. Got it? All right?
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  So I'm going to read this verbatim here after that, nobody else said
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  added any other top priorities, and we're basically in unanimous agreement that we are
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  willing to do free labor and spend money on kits orders. Okay, yeah,
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  this is this is actually Mammon's notes. Oh then, okay, so
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  these are the bullet points to Stragans. So all right, so let's go
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  to Stragan's notes because these are meticulously like there are a bullets I wish I
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  could put a picture in the note, because there are bullet points, and
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  then there are bullet points within bullet points, and some of those bullet points
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  within bullet points also have bullet points within bullet points. They like, this
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  is crazy, this is how I organized things. So thank you. Yes.
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  So this was while he was eating dinner. So deal was signed two
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  weeks ago. That allows Gigi to just to direct and distribute, but any
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  wholesale distribution will still go through Asthma day. Could we get a little elaboration
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  on that there? So what okay, what are they considering wholesale? So
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  I believe he basically implied that the what they're allowed to sell through the Game
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  Found currently, that deal happened either right before or as the Game Found was
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  launching, because I don't think we had information too much for retailers as to
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  what that was what they were able to buy at the start of the Game
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  Found, And I think part of that was because that that deal was still
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  in the works. But either way, they're allowed to have more contact and
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  more sales direct sEH. If you log into the retailer portal on Ghost Galaxy,
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  you can buy most every product directly through their website now at something near
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  but not quite as good as the rates that I get from Asny. He
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  did describe basically like the kind of what this helped with was even with at
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  Millennium Games, they the product that they sold at Millennium before two weeks prior
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  to you know that deal, they would have had to sol sell all that
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  product to Asbude, which would have then had to sell to Millennium to be
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  able to provide us with all the stuff for for the Vault tour. So,
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  you know, useful less red tape seems to be useful for for situations
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  like that. For sure. It's kind of a little discouraging to hear that
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  the rates are maybe worse than Asbude, but you know, that is what
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  it is, all right. Interesting fact c twop says they need six to
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  eight hundred stores to carry a game to consider it a sustainable success. Is
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  that in general of what ctps I'm guessing his uh, I believe that was
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  in reference to uh stopping game found I think that was just that. Yeah,
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  and like their general like when he was running FFG, like for any
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  game that they would publish, like if they could get into six to eight
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  hundred stores like that was Yeah, regularly that was a success. All right.
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  That's a pretty interesting factoid, right, Like I've never heard them mention
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  specific data like that, or I don't even if ever heard another game company
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  mentioned something like that before, so that the only other game company I've ever
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  heard mention it is believe it or not, Flesh and Blood. Flesh and
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  Blood has mentioned, uh like GameStar participation and I think at one time,
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  you know, they had I don't remember what it was, but in comparison
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  to like some of the other big games, like they were in like thirty
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  three point three percent of game stores across America, which was a very low
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  number in comparison to other large games. So let's see where are we,
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  okay, So currently Q forage is and this is a very broad number.
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  Currently they're in about one hundred to two hundreds range, but it's consistently growing.
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  I guess c CTP is personally making calls and relationships to build the bad
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  will from FFG. That is only with Millennium. He made a point to
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  say that they did contact directly because they weren't super interested in doing anything keyboard
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  wise or vulture wise until they heard directly from GG. Directly from GG or
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  directly from CTP that I can't speak to. Yeah, I don't remember that
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  clearly. It sounded like he was he was doing the calls, but I
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  mean it might have been generalizing gg as a whole. It's got to put
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  Jeremy to work, right, So man, you know Josh is the hype.
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  Hey guys, I'm Jeremy from the Coast Galaxy. All right, I
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  guess some other real quick interesting factoids. These are older ones, but generally
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  he said a game would take them about one to two years. Key Forge
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  took three to four mainly due to deck building. Big issue was printing because
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  it took two minutes to render a deck for printing, and they got that
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  knocked down. Coda originally launched with four hundred thousand displays, which sold extremely
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  quickly. Displays. Yeah, that's he had a calculator out and was calculating
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  how much time it was taken to print all this stuff like solays. That's
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  over four million decks, no way, now, maybe four hundreds. Yeah,
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  we madmon, do you remember. I'm pretty sure that he clarified that
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  and that was displayed because I think we believe he displays. So that's gonna
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  affactor in a lot of people who didn't scan their decks because well, the
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  second print run, that would put the total print run at like ten million
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  for Coda. I mean, there are a lot of decks out there that
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  possibly have never been scanned. They're still a lot. I mean, how
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  many displays do you have sitting in your basement right now? One? Okay
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  and a half. I mean this, this data does not surprise me in
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  the idea that we're expecting. Most people did not scan versus dead like there
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  was there no, no, There were so many people that were just there
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  were just so many people that picked up decks that went ahead and over the
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  pitch correct and it's because you didn't know better to scan them in or do
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  anything with it. So I'm not I'm not surprised by this. Actually,
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  do we know how many coded ex are scanned right now? Well? I
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  think at the time of a million. Yeah, well it was over a
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  million by the time AOA hit, did it not. This is a good
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  question. I thought we were at like one point two one point three when
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  coder released because that A because it fell in line with AOA drop. And
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  then when you scan in your AOA like you got three nimber shards per All
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  right, was what is uh, let's see what r Connor Kanna says.
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  All right, you looked at up. We'll come back to it. Demand
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  for key Forge fell ninety to ninety five around AOA, Slash Worlds Collide MM
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  held the demand steady. DT did not kill See here's my question. Wasn't
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  he out of this company by well before he any of these sets were least
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  he was gone after Coder? Well he was gone after Yeah, I'm kind
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  of and they probably have all those numbers now. No, just because he
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  wasn't there, it doesn't mean he didn't know what was going on. Okay,
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  fair enough, he has friends, He has friends on the other side.
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  Never mind, Yeah, he did not kill the game. I don't
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  know if anybody up like, it wasn't DT who killed it was like that.
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  I mean that the counter would be what evidence do you have that it
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  didn't? Like what are you this on? Like? But what are you
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  basing it on? Is? Well, he doesn't want to say that it
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  was ransomware, right because but we know that, like we know losing the
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  algorithm and the pandemic really hurt everything. Yes, I mean, this isn't
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  This isn't a secret. I think you can blame it on other components that
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  were just listed there versus DT itself. But all of that combined was a
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  really big storm. I blame it on the juice anyways, nobody not a
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  soul. Huh. All right, that's from a song. But it's all
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  right, Okay, you guys don't know pop culture. I don't know why
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  I even try some days. All right. CTP left FFG and took about
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  five employees with him. His goal was to build forge Fire, to both
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  use it for their own games and help print others. He's working on that,
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  help print others to have mind bug Wow, that clearly there's a lot
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  more like I didn't know they were printing Game of Throne Game of Throne stuff.
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  That was the news to me. And I think it's only the print
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  on demand because nothing else was mentioned about that game other than they were doing
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  the print on demand stuff. And again, I'm just going to reiterate this
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  because obviously this is obviously what we all said that five fifty thousand dollars was
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  not their goal. Game Found would have been a huge success at three hundred
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  k, which was their goal, and we all knew that it wasn't fifty
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  thousand dollars like that, that was a ridiculous number, but three hundred thousands,
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  like some of these numbers are interesting to go through because we thought it
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  was going to be much high, Like sheep, you were saying, like,
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  that's not that's not a lot of money. Not, it's not.
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  But three hundred thousands all they needed, I guess. So that also probably
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  did factor in the entire year of woe. They probably expected to get another
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  set right off the bat. I mean, but this was the game found,
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  so I don't know. Uh yeah, the two game found a year.
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  So oh so they need to make three hundred thousand dollars a year per
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  campaign? Oh okay, so it is per campaign? Yeah, okay,
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  whoa was one long year? Right? Yeah. I think probably that original
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  plan, the original number factored in maybe a second set that year. All
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  the delays didn't happen, so they He cites three big mistakes, which I
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  think we've all cited already translations shipping overseas, weird story mistake number three prize
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  money mm hmm. Richard's idea. CTP had with him about it, but
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  caved, wish he doesn't didn't, And here you go, you walk wish
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  he didn't because it's set a precedent. So is Richard Garfield's idea. That
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  is the fuck you Richard Garfield. The magic all that one for the jar
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  there, but we go they're never coming on the show. Maybe they will,
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  they don't listen to this right, probably not. So when I met
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  him ct Atfield and I was talking with him and I was like, hi
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  a Nick, and Josh was like, oh, yeah, this is dasscar.
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  I was like, oh but and then he just gave you a confused
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  side eye and was like, I don't know. That's like he was just
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  like talking to me like a normal person. I was like, okay,
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  So I didn't like to only put them off. He has no idea who
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  we are. I did hand them our business card with our podcast. Why
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  would you do that? Not this time it was it was like KFC KFC.
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  That immediately got thrown in the garbage. Okay, I'm sure it did.
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  I'm sure it did. That's okay, though, I assume everybody who
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  I passed the two throws in the garbage. So it's fine. Be part
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  for the course. Yeah, oh pe kits. Initially he wrote the question
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  off as we're working on it, yep. Yeah, I'm going to leave
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  the big long silence, and that we need old pea kits for local plays
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  so bad there on that. Later, yeah, we we hit that pretty
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  hard with him actually, so yeah, there'll be more on that, all
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  right. Tokens have changed. They wanted a mirror set, and they enjoyed
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  tokens. Did not expect the response it received in a good note or a
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  bad note, good questionable. I mean I kind of got the feel that
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  it was good, but also I think he was a little disheartened that it
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  seemed to be overshadowing some of the Amber Sky's campaign. Yeah, because I
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  don't think it's meant to be. It was more meant to be a very
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  limited, not very limited, but a smaller, you know, in between
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  set, and it's kind of the popularity really took them off guard. Hmm.
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  Interesting. Which is interesting is that is that based on that Hamper Skies
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  really has been a massive letdown for many individuals in the community kind of looking
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  forward at the sets, and as a result, this actually created everybody freaking
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  loves tokens and all their favorite houses that didn't get tokens are going to get
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  tokens. Like what the hell doesn't want logos with tokens like based logos,
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  tokens, bring it baby Free, destroy archive three cards. Sheep's touching himself
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  right now. I mean, I'm picking my nose. Save that for the
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  ones, Save that for the only fans, sir. All right. He
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  brought up people online. Can you give a little bit more context behind that?
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  What do you mean people online? What was the rest of the bulletpoint?
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  I have no idea what it. So he brought up people online concerning
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  they're blowing all their ideas too quick? Oh all right, yeah, so
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  he was. He was basically like, look, we get people online are
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  like freaking out that, like, oh, we're blowing through ideas. There's
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  too many sets. He's like, whoa stop, we have so many ideas
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  we can't even get to like, don't be concerned about that. I think
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  the three sets coming out of this game found and some people making comments of
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  oh, they're just blowing it all here and this is the last one.
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  Well, there has been the statement of the community that basically they're putting it
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  all in here to wrap up shop. And so I think that does go
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  ahead and silence that or provide a potential counter I'm not saying it necessarily does,
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  but that from his marketing standpoint, I think that's what his response is,
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  Hey, we have we have many many ideas, but from the outside,
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  it really seems very questionable that hey, Amber Skies really didn't take off
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  the way that I think they anticipated many in the community anticipated. You had
• 27:11
  more excitement coming from toke here for tokens of change and the the mass mutations,
• 27:17
  the extended mass mutations, like it's there. They're in a tough spot
• 27:22
  because if they gave us a little better road map that was more than three
• 27:29
  months down the road six months, all right, we get six months with
• 27:33
  the with the game found, but that's about it, like and after that,
• 27:40
  that's a lot of how it comes in though, right, Like they
• 27:42
  they hobbled and then it's like, all right, good enough, and then
• 27:45
  it gets pushed out. Well, then they need to sit their ass down
• 27:48
  and build a better roadmap that they can actually do. Like it doesn't have
• 27:52
  to be huge, Like they can't pull another first celebrations where they didn't yeah,
• 28:00
  where they made a bunch of promises they couldn't do. They don't want
• 28:02
  to build that complex of a roadmap. But I got the vibe that was
• 28:04
  a big little heart of it is they're they're doing better at not over promising
• 28:11
  and under delivering. But part of that is not promising anything at points mm
• 28:17
  hmmm, yeah, but they get hammered because they went ahead and stated that
• 28:21
  they would provide open communication. That was a major issue with FFG. So
• 28:26
  we came in all of us were super excited, Hey GG is giving us
• 28:30
  communication, and they offered that and then they fell through on their promises pretty
• 28:33
  consistently and then just went to silence and that really has hurt the community.
• 28:40
  And so that has left the sting for many individuals who are left and again
• 28:44
  the number is dwindling. We have a very, very focused group who is
• 28:48
  very passionate about the game, but that has an impact on being able to
• 28:52
  build our player base. Again, I think it's a little down the line,
• 28:57
  but I did bring up more community interaction at some point. I did
• 29:03
  think it was interesting that he brought up that criticism. We didn't bring that
• 29:08
  up. So he means somebody's relaying a lot of this info to him,
• 29:12
  right, and it's not falling on deaf ears to some extent. Only someone
• 29:18
  who tunes into these listens to a couple listen. We would never ever criticize
• 29:23
  on this show. Okay, and if this is the only listen to,
• 29:30
  you believe that I listen I don't know another show that does a whole lot
• 29:34
  of criticism criticism, but I would blame help from future self if it like
• 29:41
  if I just had to throw a dart and cover my eyes, it's their
• 29:45
  fault. Well, I don't know. I mean I listened to the last
• 29:47
  episode. They're like, well, this is why only ten people playing Alliance
• 29:51
  is actually not that bad for Alliance. I was like, uh, like,
• 29:59
  someone's gonna out of all that optimism. I feel like I'm in uh
• 30:03
  man, what I can't remember the name of the band it was. It
• 30:07
  was a band that was a total mock of heavy metal band and the it's
• 30:12
  this one goes to eleven meme like why not just turn it to ten?
• 30:17
  This one goes to eleven spinal tap, thank you all right? They are
• 30:26
  they sold out of Menagerie the stores. Boy, who did they hoodwink to
• 30:32
  take all that? So I was gonna say it was a good thing that
• 30:37
  I caught my guy because we were like buying product. He's like, oh,
• 30:41
  there's like a new set. I'll buy it. And I was like,
• 30:44
  what you said, what are you talking about? He's like it's called
• 30:48
  He's like, what is it? Hold on, He's like oh yeah,
• 30:52
  Managerie or Nagualie. I was like, oh no, no, no,
• 30:55
  no, no, don't don't buy that garbage. Yeah he was like,
• 31:02
  yeah, you're saying the same thing. And our store Willie ran into the
• 31:06
  same issue. Hey guys, guess what we got this. We're so excited
• 31:10
  for you and we did not catch it. So again, if you just
• 31:15
  see it as another set that's out there, sure stores will want to try.
• 31:18
  But again, this hurts the relationship because it is not tournament legal.
• 31:22
  Can we do and all this stuff like can we at least make them on
• 31:29
  glued sets or something like that, as opposed to they're not. No,
• 31:33
  they're not, Oh you want a bunch of you want a bunch of stupid
• 31:37
  crazy cards at it. So there are players in Madison who were excited because
• 31:42
  they don't go to vall tours, so this is one of their first chances
• 31:45
  to actually get Menagerie debts, and then if they haven't back there are players
• 31:49
  who care it just happens to be that are very smini immediate. Yeah,
• 31:56
  okay, it's not that disappointing. Is fun? I would like I think
• 32:01
  it's I think it's fun too in your locals, But again, the community
• 32:06
  base that is remaining to this day seems to be a little bit more focused,
• 32:09
  whether you're talking about onlines from PL to ABR to like two vaults,
• 32:19
  they're a little bit more focused and in tune with what's actually happening, and
• 32:22
  so having decks that are not tournament legal, poll they next the next two
• 32:31
  you know, intermediate sets are both tournament legal, right, So I mean
• 32:35
  maybe that's a trajectory they're trying to move towards because maybe they realized that that
• 32:39
  was a mistake with Unchained and Menagerie. Did you guys talk to them at
• 32:44
  all about the impact of the number of sets because this Game Found did open
• 32:50
  up other sets to basically purchase in a year. Yeah, they touched on
• 32:54
  that earlier. Well I wasn't here, I'm sorry, Yes, we very
• 33:00
  little, a little bit. They have tons of ideas, no, I
• 33:05
  mean, but outside of that, the idea that it actually has an impact
• 33:09
  on those because because you're not looking at a ton of stores, you know,
• 33:14
  they want to be able to improve to six to eight hundred stores.
• 33:17
  Right now we're in one hundred to two hundred range. That impact is you
• 33:22
  can see on Game Found how many people are actually backing. But if you
• 33:25
  split up and we have these additional sets that are potentially going out to stores,
• 33:29
  people seem split on Hey, should I be supporting this Game Found or
• 33:32
  should I be supporting the store? But now I'm going to be running three
• 33:37
  sets coming at the same time. How much money do you have? I
• 33:39
  mean, there is a captive amount of money that people cannot just afford.
• 33:43
  Hey, I'm going to get that X, Y, and Z all at
• 33:45
  the same time. Is going to be less of each product as a results.
• 33:50
  That was marm So, go ahead, Matt. So he basically said,
• 33:54
  they want and this is kind of a tangent to your question, but
• 33:57
  I think will help guide the discussion. So he said that they want two
• 34:00
  main sets a year that are the Game Found base right, and then in
• 34:02
  between those sets they want there they're planning for the future there will be intermediate
• 34:07
  sets between those two main sets, so we're looking at four sets a year.
• 34:12
  However, he did say mass more mutation is going is they're planning on
• 34:16
  that being an extremely limited run. So I don't know, I mean,
• 34:27
  because that's that's the thing, like you're I fear that releasing it and then
• 34:31
  all of a sudden, this extraordinarily limited set becomes extraordinarily tournament relevant, and
• 34:39
  that's a reality. Whether it's a it's a I think that a part of
• 34:50
  In the description, it says they may be part of future campaigns if it
• 34:53
  does go over that well it does sell super well at stores. They did
• 34:58
  open themselves up to printing more right. I think it says in the description
• 35:05
  on the game found or somewhere in there in the announcement that they'll never sell
• 35:08
  it directly, but it may be a part of future campaigns. So they
• 35:13
  left that door open, which is wise. Right. They're gonna see how
• 35:17
  it does a year. I think the antent is for two main sets,
• 35:22
  right, and two more limited debts. I don't know what limited set will
• 35:27
  mean. I mean it looked like, well, it seems like that's what
• 35:30
  tokens are change was supposed to be. But because of the demand, it's
• 35:34
  not going to be so limited anymore. Yeah, I just I yeah,
• 35:40
  I stated my worries already. At some point in there, he did say
• 35:45
  that. I think he was addressing how much money people were talking about spending.
• 35:52
  He did say that all card games are a luxury good, and all
• 35:57
  competitive players are gonna have to put some amount of money into it, and
• 36:00
  probably not the answer we all want to hear. But they're okay with us
• 36:05
  not having every cool deck in every set if that's what we can buy.
• 36:10
  I don't think anybody is ever going to have every cool deck in every set.
• 36:15
  I mean, I still don't have an art Coon deck. I can
• 36:16
  play a Vault Tour. It's not right now. I've been you know,
• 36:23
  it's been five years. You know, That's all I'm saying something along the
• 36:30
  lines of not everyone is going to be able to buy one hundred decks of
• 36:34
  every set, because that's not what the goal is. It's to have a
• 36:37
  variety out there so you can buy what you want. I just about the
• 36:44
  new player coming in and being like, oh man, this is the dominant
• 36:47
  set running the meta right now right and then them not being able to get
• 36:52
  it, and that if that is going to put be like, well,
• 36:54
  if I can't get it, that means if they do reprint it, which
• 37:00
  they've left the door opened for, it'll sell a lot, maybe, which
• 37:04
  is good. I think you are really chasing a JM pointless trail there.
• 37:09
  Maybe maybe not. I mean that the freaking g R I can buy it,
• 37:16
  and it still doesn't mean I get to compete because the top ax is
• 37:20
  still really hard to open. You could open a good deck, but one
• 37:23
  that actually plays at the top level is still so stupidly rare. It's it's
• 37:29
  terrible. Yeah, well terrible, but that's the cars or whatever. I
• 37:37
  don't know, all right, So why do crowdfunding? The answer was they
• 37:40
  can't survive on retail alone. It's basically free marketing. There you go,
• 37:45
  JR. There's your marketing. Their marketing is going into and interest in new
• 37:54
  sets until they can build back up a healthy store population, they will continue
• 38:00
  them. So basically until they are able to get into enough stores to stand
• 38:05
  on their own two feet, they're going to continue to do ground funding.
• 38:09
  But this is robbing Peter to pay Paul. I don't know. That's kind
• 38:13
  of how I look at it. Yeah, but we don't like Peter,
• 38:17
  so yeah, okay, fuck Peter. Yeah, thank you for your donation.
• 38:28
  How do you get a good store community when you're selling everything on game
• 38:35
  found the Saint Magic kits, no Peak kids, good ones. Yeah,
• 38:45
  online play, they looked into it. Two a million buck Rooney is to
• 38:52
  do an online build, which they cannot do. They thought about partners and
• 38:59
  cutting that cost down through other means, but have figured haven't figured anything out.
• 39:04
  Sounds like it's not off the table for the future, but they realize
• 39:07
  the importance of online and especially TCO. He knows it's saved the game.
• 39:13
  Thank you, TCO. Yay, I appreciate even that acknowledgment. I think
• 39:17
  that's important. Free labor yay. Oh no, no, no, no,
• 39:22
  yes, you're one hundred percent right on for your labor. But the
• 39:23
  end result is there's acknowledgment that TCO saved this game during a very very dark
• 39:29
  time when we're in between loss of the algorithm and everything else. It's very
• 39:35
  important to this community. They can't do it right now, but at least
• 39:37
  they're giving some recognition to TCO and everyone who has been on that side to
• 39:43
  make sure it works. He was he was spitballing a little bit during that
• 39:46
  discussion, Like you can almost see he was like thrown out. Like they've
• 39:50
  they've had discussions. They've clearly been talking about this and they clearly don't know
• 39:53
  what to do, but they realize the importance of online play, you know,
• 40:00
  And he was like, look, maybe we can partner with a company
• 40:02
  and it'll knock it down a little bit. Maybe we could throw some money
• 40:05
  at TCO to you know, improve their you know interface. He's like,
• 40:08
  I don't know, you know, he was. He was throwing out a
• 40:10
  lot of ideas, so I don't want to you know, obviously set a
• 40:14
  precedent for like he said this, he was he was spitballing some thoughts.
• 40:19
  So it's clearly something they're thinking about, but it's definitely not a not a
• 40:23
  top priority and something they can't really invest in right now with all their other
• 40:28
  focus like mine. They Doug just like, no, no, no,
• 40:37
  you got bad things to say. They're not focusing on mind bug no mind
• 40:42
  bug is there? Yeah, everybody, Lots of people out there understand my
• 40:49
  jet. I asked about GG sponsoring tournaments or promotions with t c O and
• 40:54
  it was not something has considered. But he didn't seem to be against the
• 41:00
  idea. When I mentioned this, his gears seemed to be spinning. Was
• 41:05
  just said, spin those gears spinning the gears, Well they can they can
• 41:10
  take away the top spot on t c O from the z score advertisement that
• 41:15
  we've got running there. Yes, yeah, all right, what else has
• 41:23
  paid for a spot, So I guess we're up there for a while to
• 41:27
  somebody else, Do you just that's because nobody's running anything. Yeah, what
• 41:36
  like Florence should be advertising. Hey, Keyboard Premier League is on there right
• 41:42
  now. Okay, of course it also requires you going to the crucible web
• 41:47
  page top thing, which do you know I never go to Yeah, I
• 41:52
  never go to that either. Let me all right. Alliance is a format
• 41:58
  that is sticking around. It comes from the fact that they have dropped ninety
• 42:04
  to ninety five percent of players. CTP describes players buying decks and having the
• 42:08
  idea of I got this new deck, my old ones become trash. They
• 42:15
  want players to feel like the Ghigher collection can slash is useful. Alliance exists
• 42:21
  due to an emotional reaction to your old decks because they don't want players to
• 42:25
  feel like their old collection is useless and then drop the game. Did you
• 42:32
  guys then explain to him on why that isn't true? No, he commands
• 42:37
  the room. Pretty well, we weren't allowed to do that, Oh,
• 42:43
  teacher, you should have just put the cardboard next to you, like,
• 42:49
  let me tell. Let me FaceTime this person and have him tell you why
• 42:52
  that's wrong. So there, if I'm not mistaken, there was one or
• 42:55
  two like Alliance players at that dinner. Did they ask, say, make
• 43:04
  any statements about Alliance at all? Or were they like they stated two questions
• 43:08
  above. Yeah, really, we don't really have anybody else talk. It's
• 43:15
  pretty Yeah, our heroes are the ones who are speaking, So we appreciate
• 43:21
  you guys. Mark. Rarely am I ever accused of commanding our table.
• 43:23
  And I was so to be quiet at point men let the others talk,
• 43:30
  so right, and then they just mostly not ask questions. I think,
• 43:36
  yeah, so no, I mean, I do think he made some valid
• 43:44
  points with Alliance, you know before I don't I don't disagree, you know,
• 43:51
  but I do think, you know, and I think my next bullet
• 43:53
  point is basically, you know, we kind of push him a little bit
• 43:55
  on like the high level play is just like, I mean, none of
• 43:59
  my decks, none of my pods can even remotely compete, right, and
• 44:04
  that's that. And he's like, look, it is what it is.
• 44:06
  That's any high play of any any card game, right, So it almost
• 44:09
  Alliance ahead. It almost sounding like the idea of Alliance sticking around is not
• 44:16
  as competitive focused as the rest of the game. He did also bring up
• 44:22
  that new players could open a deck and look at the pod and start brewing
• 44:28
  something in their minds, so that one, almost to me, seemed more
• 44:32
  focused around the kitchen table. Maybe just one more and I can make a
• 44:38
  cool Alliance deck kind of people, then maybe this group we are the crackiest
• 44:45
  of the crackheads who like, yeah, but you're not gonna do it for
• 44:47
  Alliance. Listen, I have delved down the Alliance rabbit hole. It's a
• 44:54
  dark place. Like it's not It is a very frustrating realm. Yeah,
• 45:05
  I mean I Alliance isn't going anywhere. Uh, that's what I think.
• 45:09
  I just I don't know. I really wish I would have been able to
• 45:15
  speak on this topic. Like there's a lot of times. So I really
• 45:16
  appreciate you guys speaking up and saying some of the items. I hear,
• 45:21
  some of the argument that's being proposed. We've seen it in the past.
• 45:25
  I'm just really struggling. We are not going ahead and attracting CCG players.
• 45:31
  That's not what this game is at right now. We should be investing,
• 45:36
  in my opinion, more into a board game section actually doing some marketing.
• 45:40
  We've beat that dead horse for a very very long beat it again. But
• 45:46
  I think the idea, I think the idea for going ahead and saying new
• 45:52
  players can go ahead and create Alliance. Unfortunately, when you're looking at a
• 45:58
  vault tour level around your kitchen table or even in your locals, I think
• 46:01
  that alliance can be fun. I think that it can offer another opportunity,
• 46:06
  but I think as soon as you have a disparity and amount of decks between
• 46:09
  players, so any new player coming in has a huge disadvantage when we go
• 46:14
  ahead and look at Alliance, I just I don't see the reason for the
• 46:20
  investment of resources because what I'm seeing up above is we're limited on monetary resources,
• 46:27
  and we've heard for a long time we're limited on physical individuals for as
• 46:31
  a resource. Then why are we going ahead and putting this out there.
• 46:37
  I don't think it requires a lot of resources. There's a split for our
• 46:43
  community, and it's requiring again, if we're running multiple tournaments. I mean,
• 46:46
  you could have had one tournament that had sixty six players as opposed to
• 46:52
  two tournaments one had fifty five, one had ten. The idea for splitting
• 46:58
  for checking in and things of that's or does take a little bit at the
• 47:01
  level of a Vault Tour, Like there's the potential that if they didn't have
• 47:07
  Alliance, there would have just been eight less players, Like I don't,
• 47:10
  I don't. I don't actually think this holds any water anymore. Both events
• 47:16
  are firing. Does it matter if Tennant will play a different format than you?
• 47:21
  And again, I think a lot less of what he was saying was
• 47:23
  focused on the Vault Tour level. I think it's cool maybe nucleers to watch
• 47:30
  the high level stuff pop off at a Vault Tour level, but I think
• 47:34
  most of what he's talking about as Alliance as a format is at your store
• 47:38
  and kitchen table level. Yep, that's the vibe I got too. So
• 47:45
  he's just going in lets other players know that it exists elsewhere. So he's
• 47:52
  still viewing this game very much from not the dedicated hardcore group, which is
• 48:00
  pretty much are just still around. That's what I mean. We have to
• 48:05
  look across the spectrum. I understand looking across the spectrum, but right now,
• 48:08
  the people who are spending money are not that spectrum. You are.
• 48:15
  You are organizing to a group that does not exist. You're not. It
• 48:22
  has been said before that the majority of sales are not to the whales.
• 48:28
  It is still to And I'm just a hard numbers those are playing again.
• 48:35
  I'm having a hard time believing that seeing these numbers kind of like you're looking
• 48:38
  at the next Game Found campaign kind of mirroring the same thing that it did
• 48:45
  the last campaign, just less. And if there's one thing we all know,
• 48:51
  there's a bunch of people who left who are not spending the money.
• 48:54
  The's gone, right, Jason's gone. Some of these people who are willing
• 49:00
  to spend big dollars, they're gone. I don't know what that direct because
• 49:06
  I've never I've never totaled it out. But does it fill that gap?
• 49:12
  I mean, you're you're looking at numbers that are remarkably the same. I
• 49:17
  would really like to know, like, Okay, what like? And I
• 49:22
  guess really from a Game Found, all they can do is email addresses,
• 49:24
  right, So like, what what are the new email addresses you're getting in
• 49:30
  this campaign that you didn't get last campaign? And how much growth are you
• 49:35
  showing? Are you showing any growth or are you just showing the good clients
• 49:38
  that that brings it back to you know, we talked about earlier like they're
• 49:43
  they're in one to two hundred stores right now, and they're targeting growth,
• 49:45
  right. I think that that's he didn't talk really about you know, Wales
• 49:51
  or big spenders. He's they're targeting like longer term, greater player numbers and
• 49:57
  slower growth that way, not not just all right, So let's let's pretend
• 50:01
  for a second that he's actually right there and we're wrong. So let's pretend
• 50:07
  for a second that that I know is this magical pretend land right, So
• 50:13
  let's pretend let's last four hundred thousand, that four hundred thousand was displays.
• 50:21
  Let's pretend that was correct, not decks. Four hundred thousand displays, that
• 50:24
  is four point eight million coded decks in the first print run, not the
• 50:30
  second print run. The first print run. Yep, So far there are
• 50:34
  somewhere the around one point three million coded decks registered and total number of key
• 50:39
  Forge decks is a little over three point two million. So until they find
• 50:45
  a bunch of print run CODA sitting in that warehouse, maybe, so it's
• 50:50
  plausible that CTP is like, I have more decks that sold in the first
• 50:54
  three weeks than sold than have been registered in the entire history of the game.
• 51:00
  So like I'm thinking about the all these decks that have just never been
• 51:07
  registered. So I hear your dress score. But my question is when the
• 51:12
  game was hot. This game was hot and you could not find it anywhere.
• 51:15
  It went out to the mess populace. It was the new hot item.
• 51:19
  At this point, you now have a new company that is running it.
• 51:22
  You now have multiple years, you have a pandemic, you have multiple
• 51:25
  sets. There is a lot of new hotness in many, many other games
• 51:30
  that I cannot imagine they're not looking at what decks are basically being scanned in
• 51:36
  right now versus what they're going ahead and selling and seeing that difference, I
• 51:39
  cannot imagine that that is still the same threshold that we saw from Coda.
• 51:45
  Coda just was an amazing response. You caught a fire in a bottle with
• 51:50
  Coda correct and you saw and he even stated at his numbers in the beginning
• 51:55
  to ninety five percent players off between that point and time. So you caught
• 52:02
  lightning in a bottle. A lot of people tried it and said meh,
• 52:07
  not for me, and left m So is he trying to regain that ninety
• 52:15
  to ninety five percent that bought one deck five years ago. I don't know.
• 52:19
  I mean in this, in this magical make believe land, they're they're
• 52:24
  still a proportional. Even if it's not quite that extreme. There's still a
• 52:29
  lot more decks that are being sold than registered. And he's looking at that
• 52:34
  data that pos can't see that. And and again that's the kind of vibe
• 52:38
  by God. Was that that's what they're looking at when they make decisions like
• 52:45
  that, You know they're they're looking at overall sales versus what gets registered.
• 52:49
  Obviously, we all registered all of our decks as soon as they're open.
• 52:55
  Just like I said, they're all responsible. Don't be so sure on that
• 52:59
  one. I have redistering decks A long time ago. I got plenty of
• 53:04
  unregistered sheep decks in my backpack. I just put them in other people's bags.
• 53:07
  And guess what, i'n't register him neither. All right, So again,
• 53:16
  where were we? I lost my spot? All right? This one,
• 53:20
  you're gonna have to kind of do a little uh again, a little
• 53:22
  context, little elaboration. He really doesn't want to commit to video slash interviews,
• 53:30
  et cetera. Oh yeah, so this is where I was talking about
• 53:32
  community interaction, okay, and I was saying it was important that anything at
• 53:37
  all is good, a tweet, a video. I think we brought up
• 53:43
  the old Crucible casts and he said, well, we can't admit commit to
• 53:45
  anything like that, and I jokingly said, instead of a month, I'll
• 53:51
  take every quarter. But like I was kind of just saying that anything you
• 53:57
  make at all is good. It shows communication. Even if you're not telling
• 54:02
  us anything new, you're telling us that you're working on stuff. Maybe have
• 54:07
  Jeremy and Josh played a game on stream once once a quarter. It'll be
• 54:13
  so crazy they make you know, oh yeah, and they'll get harassed online
• 54:16
  endlessly. But I would watch that, like, just have Hurley just crush
• 54:22
  all the other players. But I was trying to get them to understand that
• 54:28
  any thing, any community interaction at all is good. And I think you
• 54:32
  focus a little too hard on the video aspect and the Crucible cast comparison,
• 54:37
  and said he didn't want to commit to anything as serious as video. I
• 54:44
  would I would add in. I would add in that we would like to
• 54:46
  see it in their centralized location, so that means on their YouTube channel,
• 54:52
  where everything should be coming out here's our rules update, here's what Because that's
• 54:55
  the problem, do we We don't even need a video, we don't need
• 55:00
  no no, no podcast. We can take the articles we got it from
• 55:04
  here, brou But I'm telling you what needs to happen is that we can't,
• 55:09
  unfortunately, have a side dinner conversation where we're releasing information that wasn't elsewhere.
• 55:16
  There should be a centralized information system to disseminate information. There is.
• 55:22
  It's called keyforging dot com. No because because because this whole conversation here did
• 55:32
  not happen on key forging dot com. No, you're correct, and this
• 55:36
  is a conversation and this obviously couldn't have been on key forging dot com.
• 55:39
  However, we bare minimum. I don't see why we don't have at least
• 55:45
  an article a month, maybe every other week update, even if it's dumb
• 55:53
  shit. Right, we've commended them on doing dumb ship articles. Nows we
• 55:59
  we dumb shit we sure do. We're doing it right now. Yeah,
• 56:05
  okay, so I mean, you know, just something to let us know,
• 56:12
  like maybe we'd get c twop's blood pressure this week. I don't know
• 56:19
  who clugged the toilet most recently, it was Josh. Uh, It's always
• 56:23
  Josh, you know, like something like because like there we go three,
• 56:29
  four or five weeks and we're like, hey, this game still exists,
• 56:32
  right, I mean because like literally what was the last when's the last vault?
• 56:37
  Touri? No? August would be Nationals? Right? Is there anything
• 56:42
  planned after Nationals? Well? Right, but like right now there's nothing planned
• 56:49
  after Nationals? Right that they need to have a little better road map.
• 56:54
  Yeah, oh well okay from Nationals the KFC, there's nothing right Baltimore's yeah,
• 57:07
  story something which I am excited to see what's up with that, But
• 57:10
  like there's a good shot we don't hear jack Ship during that time besides a
• 57:15
  new game found. Well, we might hear more about the set we already
• 57:21
  know about, right, But then I'm just shaying. I'm just saying like
• 57:23
  there needs to be more something and I don't know what it is, but
• 57:30
  like it needs to be captivating. It needs to be actual news. It
• 57:34
  can't be like this is how we print decks. Yeah, no Ship,
• 57:37
  You print them on a giant printer, a machine cuts them out and wraps
• 57:39
  them. Like that's a totally reasonable I mean, you just said you wanted
• 57:45
  his blood pressure print. Come on, But like we've seen it four fucking
• 57:51
  dimes, now we get it. You can do something like maybe you do
• 57:54
  a tournament, a tournament, Maybe you do do do do like a walk
• 57:59
  around the off Maybe we find Janet in the dumpsters. I just I just
• 58:05
  think they should be playing KeyForge in random different locations. I still like our
• 58:08
  idea of playing keyboards in a little kiddie pool, having the waterproof cards or
• 58:13
  sleeps. Me and Dan will be doing that later this year when we are
• 58:16
  in that dodgy location for UH for gen Con, We're also bringing a kiddie
• 58:23
  pool. I brought gogglins for Dan. He said he doesn't like water in
• 58:29
  his eyes. Play wetter. Yeah he's got he's got goggles in a little
• 58:32
  snorkle. Instead of shredding the car, you just dun't it in the pool.
• 58:36
  Just dun't get this cone forever, all right? So this one again,
• 58:39
  maybe give us a little more context. Before the new deal two weeks
• 58:43
  ago, which I'm assuming was the new deal we talked about earlier. Could
• 58:46
  couldn't have had Millennium sell us key forage products. That's what we talked about
• 58:54
  earlier about all the stuff that came from with them from the ball tour.
• 59:00
  Because the Vault Master decks, all the merchandise was purchased directly from Millennium.
• 59:06
  There was no GG register at this vault, So before that deal, that
• 59:10
  couldn't have happened because all of that would have had to have been fed through
• 59:14
  Asbida to Millennium and probably cost a whole lot more because of it. Did
• 59:22
  he talk about the new deal or like implications. I mean, we say
• 59:28
  their announcement. So I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet because we've we've had the
• 59:32
  wild idea that Asbade is on the hook for a whole bunch of decks,
• 59:38
  like they have to buy axibon of decks from GG YadA YadA, saw on
• 59:44
  it and so forth. I guess we'll we'll talk about that when that time
• 59:46
  comes. Yeah, we didn't get any specifics on that. Man, you
• 59:50
  never will. He does understand concerns of high level Alliance play not being fun,
• 59:58
  but said that's an issue with any card game with that decking, which
• 1:00:01
  thankfully key Ford doesn't have. That that's tomorrow problem. Guys, don't worry
• 1:00:08
  about it today. Tomorrow. I mean, I think right now, Alliance
• 1:00:14
  might be the most fun out of the well between ARCon and Alliance. I
• 1:00:22
  had a lot of fun playing I had more fun playing Alliance than I did
• 1:00:23
  ARCon. But do you have alling well the biggest problem I have with Alliance,
• 1:00:30
  and I don't think this is a problem that he could ever understand or
• 1:00:35
  is you know, number one, you have to go out and find a
• 1:00:37
  pod. You know, once you found the pod, you have to contact
• 1:00:40
  the person if they even want to sell the damn thing. It's not like
• 1:00:45
  I can wookie, no, that's not high level Alliance. You just need
• 1:00:52
  to take what is in your collection. That's not high Alliance works at all.
• 1:00:58
  And we all what what no way, No, I do not believe
• 1:01:02
  you. I mean, you know, it's just that's that's not it.
• 1:01:07
  And I had a great pod that I wanted to try, but it was
• 1:01:10
  like I got to reach out to the number one. I gotta find I
• 1:01:14
  got to find this person. Then after I have found this person, I
• 1:01:19
  got to find the pod first. Then I got to find who owns the
• 1:01:22
  deck, because that's not always information that's available. Then after I have found
• 1:01:28
  whoever owns it, I find if they even want to sell it to even
• 1:01:30
  begin trying to test it. But what about all of those? I mean,
• 1:01:35
  you're really only looking on decks that are registered. That's only one out
• 1:01:39
  of one hundred decks, right, nobody knows, so you should really be
• 1:01:45
  looking at the other ninety nine decks in your collection or that exist out there.
• 1:01:50
  Those are also registered so well, actually not the shit that she gives
• 1:01:54
  me, but I mean, they're not in my collection. I've looked.
• 1:01:59
  Now if if he wants to open it up and be like, you know,
• 1:02:02
  build whatever, no set restriction. Yeah, maybe we got something though,
• 1:02:12
  but they put it the set restriction rule. I don't know if no
• 1:02:15
  set restriction makes it better or worse. It probably makes it worse. I'm
• 1:02:17
  not gonna lie to anybody. Star Champs are once a year. No plans
• 1:02:23
  to change that? Was that a plan that we all wanted change the second
• 1:02:29
  set of events to go with the second second? Yeah? That was exactly
• 1:02:32
  it was. That question was or that answer was in relation to what are
• 1:02:37
  the plans between Amber Skies and worlds. They are working on other O pie
• 1:02:45
  stuff to bridge the gap between sets, yep, I mean that's what we
• 1:02:53
  need. So but you know, four to six to eight to twenty ten
• 1:03:00
  to twelve weeks. Yes, there will need to be reasons to come out
• 1:03:04
  to our stores to continue to have you come out week after week. There
• 1:03:07
  are reasons that people want to play, which would then go ahead and bring
• 1:03:12
  money to stores and increase our amount of stores. There will be cadences of
• 1:03:19
  slow periods slash active periods, but they have plans for every release and hope
• 1:03:23
  to surprise us. So they saying times where we don't talk to you,
• 1:03:30
  guys, get used to it. Also, I'm assuming the surprise is something
• 1:03:34
  like the more mutation, So like, what's the what's the DT version of
• 1:03:39
  more Mutation? Oh god? This thing stem from under the see more water.
• 1:03:47
  You're vault tours and store champs supporting gr right, and so we're like,
• 1:03:53
  look, what's going to support Amber Sky because there's nothing on the calendar.
• 1:03:55
  So that's where this conversation stemmed from. Oh so something something, something
• 1:04:02
  we just I mean, he yeah, there Obviously he can't talk about it,
• 1:04:08
  but that's because they haven't figured it out yet. I mean that's not
• 1:04:11
  true, CEO the god damn Company, you can talk about whatever the fuck
• 1:04:15
  he wants. What is he an answer to God, Hey, well,
• 1:04:19
  you gotta get this guy out of control. I have no control here.
• 1:04:24
  Man. Well, no, it's just it's so upsetic when people we can't
• 1:04:27
  talk about that. Yeah, you're the CEO, you own the company.
• 1:04:30
  You are allowed to speak on whatever you want. Don't be like what I
• 1:04:34
  can't talk about that yet. Well, I do find it funny, like
• 1:04:38
  you learned his lesson about saying anything about the future. Yeah, I think
• 1:04:44
  that's it. Yes, I'm gonna have back feet. I did get a
• 1:04:46
  little I was close to the mic and yelling all at the same time.
• 1:04:51
  So, so, how many of these bullet points have we been asking for?
• 1:04:56
  Other podcasts been asking for for a considerable amount of time. I appreciate
• 1:05:00
  that he answered, and so I do like that. But man, did
• 1:05:03
  you guys try getting him to do shots to see if he would say you
• 1:05:11
  were getting anywhere near shots? He ordered a lass of wine? What kind
• 1:05:14
  of wine did he order? Two reds? Two redskin. I kind of
• 1:05:17
  took him as a bourbon gay, like I figured he'd sip on like like
• 1:05:23
  not good bourbon. But like what am I thinking of like a like a
• 1:05:27
  maker's mark? Maybe not at dinners where there's six people that may start harassing
• 1:05:31
  him at any moment. We didn't let him eat for three hours, that
• 1:05:36
  is true. He got about three bites into that steak. Oh he ordered
• 1:05:41
  a steak. Great, Neil Lamb. All right, they have an overall
• 1:05:47
  skeleton of new ideas for future sets. Prophetic Visions is not designed yet,
• 1:05:56
  but please join the game found in August. Well, I mean they have
• 1:06:00
  a little bit of time, but but so was anything should have been developed
• 1:06:04
  year. I don't know about that, but but the biggest ballenge so like,
• 1:06:11
  they don't have that much in the way of staff actually designing these games.
• 1:06:15
  And apparently you are testing very hard, so hold on. So we
• 1:06:21
  don't have staff to make new sets. We don't have staff to create organized
• 1:06:28
  play. We don't have staff. Besides, vault tours remind me of Josh
• 1:06:34
  because I'm about to I'm about to go deep in this ship. We have
• 1:06:40
  vault tours. We have that. That's it. We don't have anything.
• 1:06:43
  I'm talking locally, like, there's no reason for Peter Our, our other
• 1:06:47
  local that's been m i A for some time, to even show his face.
• 1:06:51
  He's playing another game. Well, yeah, he is playing Star Wars
• 1:06:55
  Unlimited, which does have stuff to give away. We can offer him losses
• 1:07:03
  and witty sheep banters, yeah, and Sheep's trash dex. I mean decks
• 1:07:14
  like there's nothing to offer. And even during the Star Championships that was probably
• 1:07:17
  the best time we had to offer stuff and he still didn't show so,
• 1:07:24
  like, I mean, he might have not known there was stuff too,
• 1:07:26
  but you know, we we had nothing to offer anyone to come play with
• 1:07:30
  us. We do get to that later on. Okay, I'm just saying,
• 1:07:36
  like we don't. We don't have staff for all these problems. What
• 1:07:40
  is your staff doing, sir? So you you went down that road.
• 1:07:45
  I just keep looking at prophetic visions not designed yet, which makes you sad
• 1:07:48
  because we do know the cadence and what the trajectory was for FFG. And
• 1:07:54
  again this is a much smaller company, very very different set design and expectation.
• 1:07:59
  But he if you need to have the cards they design us when the
• 1:08:02
  game Found was going to be released, did they not? Was that not
• 1:08:10
  themselves a nice deadline? Yes, But I'm telling you you need to have
• 1:08:14
  the artwork that is going to be created, which is going to take time.
• 1:08:17
  They're going to go yet. I don't just send it over me and
• 1:08:24
  Sheep will design the set. It won't be busted at all. Am I
• 1:08:28
  picturing ms painted. I mean the less they tested, the better a chance
• 1:08:32
  it hasn't beaten g R. That's true, all right. Did they address
• 1:08:38
  testing or like design time or anything like that? Said they're always looking for
• 1:08:44
  more testers, yeah, opinions, but well you need more free labor.
• 1:08:54
  Mm hmm oh the words. Anyways, Jeremy is working on some sort of
• 1:08:59
  map or something to help go Jeremy co like the wording on this is actually
• 1:09:08
  probably so perfect it hurts you say a map or something, but what really
• 1:09:14
  is They assigned him health and safety and he's making the emergency extra maps for
• 1:09:17
  the now. He's wearing a green vest, a hard hatt, and safety
• 1:09:21
  glasses or the out He goes around and he makes Josh put on safety glasses
• 1:09:28
  fully coded in Ppe from head to toel. Okay, So Jeremy's working on
• 1:09:33
  some sort of map or something to help players public, to help player players
• 1:09:40
  publish where is happening so players can see stars similar to Star Championship map and
• 1:09:46
  engage with other players. Sounds like a priority, but he really didn't give
• 1:09:51
  details other than they're currently working on something and understand it's needed. Isn't Jeremy's
• 1:09:58
  job marketing? That is marketing? Is it marketing? Sure? You can
• 1:10:04
  play the game, all right? Fair enough? It sounds like this right
• 1:10:15
  for store Champs, I think his own time, because he's just like,
• 1:10:23
  yeah, he's just like right at the Googles, like all the kids and
• 1:10:26
  PIDs. They're they're probably trying to make something a little more official for their
• 1:10:30
  website, maybe Google Maps. It is all right, He genuinely he was
• 1:10:40
  genuinely surprised that we want to run local events and want to buy kits,
• 1:10:46
  slash half media, et cetera. He talked about their long list of priorities,
• 1:10:51
  but after talking with him for a while on this, he said,
• 1:10:56
  this may need to get pushed up the priority list. Are you so specifically
• 1:11:02
  this is in reference to the community kits that they talked about back in twenty
• 1:11:09
  two, Yeah, which is the equivalent of just generic store level play stuff.
• 1:11:14
  Yeah. So we brought up basically that in lieu of structured op if
• 1:11:21
  you can give the community anything to work with, we'll run with it physical
• 1:11:28
  digital assets, like, just give us stuff and we will start doing the
• 1:11:32
  work. And then the more structured stuff can come later, but to get
• 1:11:36
  new people in, to retain people, we need things I can't even with
• 1:11:42
  this. Are you serious? He was genuinely surprised. I think the phrasing
• 1:11:48
  on the note is a little He was surprised about store op. He was
• 1:11:55
  surprised that we were willing to do as much footwork as was unanimously agreed at
• 1:12:00
  the table. We have been asking I'm gonna get real close to our microphone
• 1:12:05
  here. We have been asking thank you dead boys for a year and a
• 1:12:14
  half for anything, literally anything. Give us just a morsel of some stuff
• 1:12:23
  I can give away to new players to make them enticed, to buy your
• 1:12:29
  to give you money, and to keep them coming back. An I'll say,
• 1:12:34
  just a sliver of cheese, please, sir? May I have some
• 1:12:40
  more? You gotta be kidding? It could be cheese food even hey,
• 1:12:44
  we could go ahead and turn that into amber tokens. Cheese cool. We
• 1:12:47
  did use cheese at one time as as ember. It did happen I now
• 1:12:53
  here. On a few occasions we have talked about this, and we've definitely
• 1:12:57
  asked for kids by and you guys agreed with me. We're also pretty adamant
• 1:13:00
  on like they need to do a little more work. So it isn't always
• 1:13:05
  the community doing all the work. I have no p I'm not that amount.
• 1:13:13
  I'm not clear from this thing. If it's he's surprised we want kids?
• 1:13:16
  Are he's surprised how we're everybody's willing to bend over backwards to do the
• 1:13:20
  free work? I think it was the second one. Yeah, Well,
• 1:13:25
  in mind the notes were written, you know, alf way after the dinner
• 1:13:29
  to our discord, so we're not meant to be stream level. You know,
• 1:13:33
  Sorry you were at the car, so I copy paste. There are
• 1:13:43
  different on a different levels of support. People want to put it all right,
• 1:13:47
  some of us have been doing it for so long, we're maybe a
• 1:13:50
  little less interested in doing lots of free work. We've already got our time
• 1:13:56
  in. But like it's not there are a lot of people that's still will
• 1:13:59
  though. Sure, but like what we all know what we're We're asking for
• 1:14:03
  some level of prize support and we'll do the rest. Yep, which is
• 1:14:12
  I mean, I don't know how many times he's been asked for that directly
• 1:14:17
  to his face, Uh, bastion, I'd say, what's his phone number?
• 1:14:23
  And did you guys get that was that one of the questions you asked
• 1:14:25
  like five five, we probably could have gotten this credit card, that is
• 1:14:30
  another that's another bottle of wine, wikie. I mean, this is just
• 1:14:36
  this, This absolutely blows my mind. Okay, next point, I asked
• 1:14:48
  about pas you he said, no more like us question okay, uh,
• 1:14:57
  he said no presence for a while, but Jacob said, what if we
• 1:15:00
  did a grassroots campaign? He didn't see him against it. I spoke with
• 1:15:05
  Josh later and he said he could put together a prize kit and maybe convince
• 1:15:11
  CPT to give us a deck display to rush it too. Josh was three
• 1:15:15
  beers. Gosh, is that an accurate count of the beers that were that
• 1:15:19
  night? I mean, as long as it's not more chain trackers and haunted
• 1:15:25
  carts. Maybe is local to our area. So we were kind of talking
• 1:15:31
  about things we could do without having to travel or rent a booth things like
• 1:15:38
  that. All right, Well, I at least they're willing to talk to
• 1:15:47
  you about running events at cons without them, because FFG had like a straight
• 1:15:54
  out yeah, but they had their own program. They were running like they
• 1:15:59
  had a whole thing. They had they had hired a company to do it.
• 1:16:01
  For them for all our games, not just Keyfard would not supply support
• 1:16:08
  for their games for conventions at all unless they were They're doing it all right,
• 1:16:15
  Jacob really wants to publish the original key Forge concepts, really wants strong
• 1:16:23
  three beers very little water that day statement, what is what is real?
• 1:16:28
  Hard on that? What? This reaction was funny? I need to know
• 1:16:32
  what are the original keyfordge concepts? And it's been published before the the was
• 1:16:39
  it technic? Was what it was originally called? A version of the original
• 1:16:45
  game? Yeah? I was. That was bitballing things of interest in Keyfard
• 1:16:53
  history. At one point, this was very low priority on the list.
• 1:17:00
  All right, I'm gonna skip the next point, which is some weird stuff.
• 1:17:05
  They talked to Richard all well, it's all okay if you want me
• 1:17:09
  to go about the original rule because Richard taught them in person but said it
• 1:17:15
  would be a fun archaeological dig. Okay. They talked to Richard all the
• 1:17:20
  time. He's involved in overall concept on things, but typically uh, but
• 1:17:25
  typically very high level. Hi guys, it's Richard again. Do you remember
• 1:17:35
  me? I made magic the gathering. I'm calling you back again about like
• 1:17:42
  a prophecy card or something. Anyway, one person talks significantly on how vault
• 1:17:47
  tours are for competitive people and not for new players, and how slow play
• 1:17:54
  is bad and they should do more to stop slow play. Oh my god,
• 1:18:00
  did we bring up the fucking chest clock conversation to Christian t which one
• 1:18:08
  of you was there was? There was some question, one question from someone
• 1:18:11
  who was not in this chat, related to things like time rules and flow
• 1:18:18
  playing and things that seemed very unimportant to the CEO of the company. Yeah.
• 1:18:24
  Maybe more go bother Josh on a different day. Yeah, but I
• 1:18:30
  like the rest of this statement. I checked out this convo. No,
• 1:18:33
  no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry.
• 1:18:34
  I messed it. Also spent a while trying to get CTP to revisit the
• 1:18:39
  overtime rules because he thinks they're bad. I checked out of this kind.
• 1:18:45
  We all think they're bad, man, you all think they're bad. Constructive
• 1:18:50
  criticism was not given. Just these need to change? Are their plans?
• 1:18:55
  The answer is no. I still think give them all tie, you get
• 1:18:58
  a tie, have a good day. All decks are eliminated. My tie
• 1:19:03
  get to time. Drink. That is the jazz court time rules. That
• 1:19:11
  is I'm going to time boys pumped. I have to that. You said,
• 1:19:17
  you said, you said three beers. I'm like, you can do
• 1:19:20
  more than three. If I can go to the event and drink like five
• 1:19:25
  my ties, that's better than winning three. And it's really it's a snowball
• 1:19:32
  effect, right because as soon as I've had my first one, my slow
• 1:19:35
  play is just gonna get worse. Really, Oh my god, yes,
• 1:19:41
  I think Tuesday we need to try this out. That would man, I
• 1:19:44
  need to make my tie. I need to then take off Wednesday because I
• 1:19:49
  only have three rounds. I will you under you underestimate my power, sir.
• 1:19:59
  My absolute favorite quote came from when he gave us a rundown of key
• 1:20:03
  Forge history and says that Andrew and Richard were at odds for a while because
• 1:20:10
  Andrew wanted a cohesive universe storyline and Richard insisted he wanted Martians. Key Forge
• 1:20:17
  almost died over Martians. Yeah, no Mars yeah. And then it was
• 1:20:27
  kept out for how long? Take that? Yea? The follow up question
• 1:20:34
  was it like, oh, then we kept them out of the set.
• 1:20:38
  We kept them out for three sets, but now they're fire? Was that?
• 1:20:43
  Was that? The proverbial middle figure to Richard, the world may never
• 1:20:48
  know. That's for next Uh, that's for that's for Baltimore's dinner. That's
• 1:20:54
  right. Do you think san Antonio? Now? Now? But if I
• 1:21:00
  know the East coast? But if but if I was like, hey,
• 1:21:04
  do you think he's going to be at uh? Do you think he's going
• 1:21:09
  to be uh? No? Where were you guys? Just at Rochester?
• 1:21:17
  Your answer would also have been no. So so so here's the question.
• 1:21:23
  Did he to Baltimore? He did say Baltimore. I said Rochester and Baltimore
• 1:21:28
  were the only ones He's going to Jeremy at Roseville, and it just so
• 1:21:32
  happens that those are the two He's unable to make it too. Okay,
• 1:21:36
  so Jeremy is it that or does he have a family on the East coast?
• 1:21:44
  It could be that too. So Josh boats Janet Janet too, That's
• 1:21:57
  that's the name of the boat. I'm sorry, never mind chance too.
• 1:22:03
  I need to find a way to Baltimore and a way to rig this contest
• 1:22:09
  so that I am at the skinner think. I think you're already making this
• 1:22:12
  contest not a thing again. After after we after we go into our ac
• 1:22:15
  thinking we ruin it you guys. Ever watched the Bert Chryser thing where he
• 1:22:19
  buys all the tickets to the to the charity auction or whatever what. He
• 1:22:24
  buys all the tickets to the charity raffle and he's like and he wins all
• 1:22:29
  the prizes. Mhm, I don't know, but next point that's me.
• 1:22:33
  That's all the points we have. We're done well. We do have spoiler
• 1:22:38
  news. Oh okay in my boardom here will you talk? Okay, I
• 1:22:45
  went, I went LinkedIn shopping and we have the new developer, oh,
• 1:22:51
  designer working at Ghost Galaxy. Seth McBride started in May, oh so pretty
• 1:22:59
  recent. Yeah, and his work experience includes senior business account manager at Verizon.
• 1:23:05
  So he's a store manager, Uh, business account manager. That means
• 1:23:12
  he's the guy who calls and tries to get you to convert from AT and
• 1:23:15
  T to Verizon and sells you business phones. It's a job. It's fine.
• 1:23:24
  And this is our new designer of cards board game. It says board
• 1:23:29
  game designer, where it actually specifically says on the LinkedIn I linked. To
• 1:23:33
  be fair, he did say there are two other games in development at Ghost
• 1:23:39
  Galaxy, so maybe it's maybe we're getting a board game. He forge the
• 1:23:44
  board game. Oh, there's no picture. There is I don't have a
• 1:23:48
  picture of mine in the chat. I put the linked in, I have
• 1:23:54
  the LinkedIn link. I clicked your LinkedIn link. There's no picture. There's
• 1:23:58
  a picture. Okay, I don't see your picture. All right, let's
• 1:24:00
  see what he did. Okay, So he started out at Blumhouse Production as
• 1:24:05
  a television intern. So this is like Jermy's buddy. Yeah, maybe are
• 1:24:13
  they connected? Oh jeez, this poor kids getting freaking like roasted his first
• 1:24:19
  week on the job. Phil listen, Josh got it no better. And
• 1:24:25
  we like him. I mean he's already second best employee, right like,
• 1:24:28
  So, oh, I don't know. You gott and then you got Josh.
• 1:24:34
  Okay, you know he's been on the job for at least a day.
• 1:24:40
  I don't know when he I can't tell when he He went to Biola
• 1:24:44
  University for writing for writing for film and television. He has some creative interest
• 1:24:55
  and talent that's good for design. Biola is a nationally ranked Christian versity that
• 1:25:00
  provides a premier biblical centered education. Okay, well you're welcome. I mean,
• 1:25:10
  we'll get some we'll get some very religious flavor text on Future Guards.
• 1:25:14
  Will Jesus now be a creature on my battle life? Praise be the Forge
• 1:25:19
  Father? Yeah, pay go all right? Sixth and Idaho, Film and
• 1:25:24
  TV intern for still sixth and Idaho, then Verizon and then now he's a
• 1:25:33
  bored. This guy must be a baby. How old is he? His
• 1:25:38
  picture says, I'm seventeen and I need to shave for the first time because
• 1:25:44
  because literally his first job experiences of January twenty twenty nineteen, he's been in
• 1:25:50
  college. He's been around as long as this kid. He graduated college in
• 1:25:55
  twenty twenty. Yeah, so he's literally been he's been working in the mainstreams
• 1:26:02
  as long as this game has been around eighteen to twenty two. So that
• 1:26:06
  plays some twenty five. It's not looking up cheap. I don't really know
• 1:26:15
  what you'reheaded with us. What you couldn't do useful things when you were twenty
• 1:26:18
  five? Fuck? No, were you doing useful things at twenty five?
• 1:26:28
  Certainly the hell you were. You were making shower babies all day every day.
• 1:26:35
  I mean, I still do that, what you but not at the
• 1:26:40
  frequency? You know? Someone said her strive later in life. Jesus,
• 1:26:49
  all right, we've gone off the rails. That's normally the time to cut
• 1:26:51
  it. Well, welcome to the team, Seth, and we look forward
• 1:26:56
  to see what you do it go see. We look forward to roasting all
• 1:26:59
  of your decison. I mean talking about the interesting things you'll be doing.
• 1:27:04
  And you'll be happy to know that you just automatically insert above Jeremy in the
• 1:27:10
  list. Yeah. Wow, Oh I feel bad because he takes the wrecking.
• 1:27:15
  He takes the rankings. Seriously, I'm a Jeremy fan. Yeah,
• 1:27:23
  well, yeah, I guess you should get that map done. He can
• 1:27:25
  move up? Yeah? Does that move him up? How far does that
• 1:27:28
  move him? The Seth guy hasn't posted anywhere. I had to find him
• 1:27:31
  on LinkedIn, so yeah, he's not He's not moving himself up on his
• 1:27:36
  own ear. He's a new bide right now? Uh for a ghost Galaxy
• 1:27:45
  like, No, you don't, yeah, we do. What do you
• 1:27:48
  do with your free time? I don't know. I don't get a linked
• 1:27:51
  in that often, but apparently I need should I succeed in leadership roles in
• 1:27:56
  technology driven industries? Absolutely, you don't already follow Ghost Galaxy and forward Fire
• 1:28:01
  and all the other Ghost Galaxy companies on LinkedIn. I don't know, I'm
• 1:28:09
  increase. Yeah, do you even do bad? I don't like? Do
• 1:28:15
  you not know how to Facebook? Stock? Someone? No, I gotta
• 1:28:17
  have Facebook. So Ghost Galaxy has two takeaways from this. Don't host dinners
• 1:28:23
  with c TP and uh, don't don't have your recruits or new hires post
• 1:28:27
  on LinkedIn. There you go, yeah, because we'll find out because we
• 1:28:31
  are losers and we have nothing else to do. Anyway, Thank you all
• 1:28:38
  for joining us this week. Big thank you, uh to Mammon and the
• 1:28:45
  other one. Set your name for me again. PG eight, say one
• 1:28:49
  more time, straight straight straight, straight, straight straight gem? Is it
• 1:28:58
  straight gen or straight gim? I've been saying it wrong. I was saying
• 1:29:00
  like a hard g but it's soft. Yeah. Good to know that's what
• 1:29:03
  I was gonna say. And then he would have been upset with me if
• 1:29:06
  I would have mispronounced it would not say Blaine. I mean, listen,
• 1:29:14
  you walk got a long roasting at KFC two about mispronouncing names. Oh you
• 1:29:20
  will be forever ever held in a little corner off to the side and be
• 1:29:26
  rated. So but that's gonna do it for us this week. Thank you
• 1:29:30
  guys so much. For joining our little thing, our little ship show we
• 1:29:34
  call a podcast that talks about Q Forge once week. We appreciate you boys
• 1:29:41
  more than we can say, and that'll do it. We'll see y'all next
• 1:29:45
  weeks. Happy fortune everyone. This is not any bottom point on this ship
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  I get this on me? If your grandmama probably know me? Give my
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  bottles. These bottles are lonely. It's some moment winners