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181. [Kentucky] Kentucky Killer Couple · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome, bless this message the True Cup podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care. Here's to say, has to do right,
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  Speaker 1: We're back this weekend. We were going to Kentucky. Apologies
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  Speaker 1: we missed the last week. I'm done. We're trying our best.
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  Speaker 1: So anyways, I hope we go to our new house
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  Speaker 1: though that we are. So we're going house hunting here
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  Speaker 1: pretty soon and we are definitely looking for a house
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  Speaker 1: that has a little bit more space so that we
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  Speaker 1: can have like a We're not in a closet, We're
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  Speaker 1: not uncomfortable. Part of the reason we.
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  Speaker 2: Don't record it graphic going by every five minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, because we do have a space where we could
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  Speaker 1: set up the podcast more for like long term to
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  Speaker 1: record in. However, as you guys know, we have to
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  Speaker 1: pause all the time because everybody in this neighborhood is
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  Speaker 1: loud and so we it's like it's super annoying. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: so we're hoping that we have we can find us
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  Speaker 1: a little place that we can get a little extra
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  Speaker 1: space and we can have a podcasting area. So because
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  Speaker 1: I hear all the rages you're supposed to be on
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  Speaker 1: YouTube's do like I mean, we're on YouTube. Although I
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  Speaker 1: have forgotten to post anything on YouTube or quite sometime.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm mainly focused on I post on the three
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  Speaker 1: big ones like Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, but the ones that
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  Speaker 1: we just put the audio out. Everybody wants video on YouTube,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: They really want to see us.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if they want to see us.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying other people post video. I don't think anybody
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  Speaker 1: wants to see problem is we're not very photogenic. Well
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  Speaker 1: also we look like we ask no Stewart, We're never addressed.
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  Speaker 1: We just have to like pop in here and like
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  Speaker 1: just like now, it all worked out. It just all
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  Speaker 1: the timing worked out. I'm off work, the baby went
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  Speaker 1: to sleep, and then the other three kids were being terrible,
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  Speaker 1: so they're in quiet time and so it just is
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  Speaker 1: like the perfect times and we just have to pop
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  Speaker 1: into it. And we're both in our pajamas because I
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  Speaker 1: put on my pajamas immediately when I get home from work.
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  Speaker 1: I put on my comfany clothes anyway. So but although
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  Speaker 1: normally we were walking in the evenings, but are y'all
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  Speaker 1: need Jesus? This week is going to be some happenings
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  Speaker 1: around town. I'm going to just this place.
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  Speaker 2: Is this place Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: It's a walking y'all need Jesus around here. So anyways, uh,
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  Speaker 1: we appreciate all of our patreons. We'll get us. Ay,
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  Speaker 1: we'll get you the second half of our trip here
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  Speaker 1: at some point this weekend. Yes, shortly, we'll get you
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  Speaker 1: the second half of our trip. I believe we stopped
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  Speaker 1: when we got to Key West. We're gonna make our
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  Speaker 1: way back up on the on our on our shoot
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  Speaker 1: the poos we were working. We had made it to
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  Speaker 1: key West. We talked about Key West and then we
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  Speaker 1: were going to go back up to We're headed to
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  Speaker 1: Cape Canaveral next in our ongoing so far. No, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think we did. I think we stopped. We were like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is the perfect point. We'll stop and we'll do
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  Speaker 1: the return to quit. But it also been like an hour.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's only so much time people can listen
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  Speaker 1: to this, not.
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  Speaker 2: So they can stop it desire.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you always sound like such a snorky, you a
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  Speaker 1: judgy little bit. We've been house hunting, Okay, I will
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  Speaker 1: say we have been house hunting, and we.
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  Speaker 2: Did it out fun. Let's look at all the houses okay.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So we had to send our list to the
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  Speaker 1: realtor so she could start kind of doing some recon
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  Speaker 1: on them, because there's a lot of options down down there.
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  Speaker 1: When we moved here, we both agreed pretty quickly on
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  Speaker 1: Once this house popped up, it had all the stuff
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  Speaker 1: we needed, and we knew this was a short term,
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  Speaker 1: short term commitment because we knew we would be so
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  Speaker 1: we knew we would be. We became houseboor, and we
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  Speaker 1: knew we'd just we knew we'd be leaving here. This
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  Speaker 1: is a different story. We could possibly have this house.
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  Speaker 1: There may not be any moving again, like this could
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  Speaker 1: be it for a long time. So there's also a
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  Speaker 1: lot of options there, a lot more in our price
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  Speaker 1: range and just a lot more that we can pick from.
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  Speaker 1: So we're supposed to have our list to the realtor.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, we'll get you like top ten
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  Speaker 1: or something like that, so she can go look through
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  Speaker 1: them and stuff, because realistically we're going to look at houses.
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  Speaker 1: We will have all the children, So realistically how many
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  Speaker 1: can we look at I'm sure with her, with just
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  Speaker 1: us it would be like four hundred, but with us
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  Speaker 1: and the children, we might be able to get to
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  Speaker 1: three houses in the two days we're going, so maybe
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  Speaker 1: maybe anyway, So we had to shorten our list down
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  Speaker 1: to what we really wanted. So I go, I go, okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's let's add our Swanzilla. You can do a shared
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  Speaker 1: favorites or whatever. I say. So she's like, oh, you
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  Speaker 1: can do his share, So let's do that. So I
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  Speaker 1: go add all mine and the thing. I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: now you had yours, so we can see where we overlap,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm like, we have the same search criteries. We
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  Speaker 1: have to overlap. I was thinking at least five would
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  Speaker 1: be like for sure overlap, and we could send her
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  Speaker 1: those to start off with, and then we could both
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  Speaker 1: just like add a couple more that we really liked people.
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  Speaker 1: I looked at his list, What the fuck?
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  Speaker 2: What is this list?
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  Speaker 1: Like? None of the we didn't have. I think we
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  Speaker 1: had one house, two houses that overlapped, two houses on
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  Speaker 1: our entire list, and he had I had like twenty
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  Speaker 1: something saved and he had probably twenty something saved and
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  Speaker 1: we had two houses overlap. So I'm like, this is
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  Speaker 1: not gonna be this is not gonna go well, no,
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  Speaker 1: this is gonna be rough on our marriage. I can
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  Speaker 1: tell you that right.
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  Speaker 2: Now, postpartum road trip house hunting not a grain.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see how this goes. But it's not off
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  Speaker 1: to a good start. So this might not be our
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  Speaker 1: only house hunting trip. Who knows, we might have to
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  Speaker 1: do this again, so.
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  Speaker 2: Or I could be house hunting when my new spouse
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  Speaker 2: after this trip.
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  Speaker 1: We don't do. You won't be house hunting, Stewart, you'll
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  Speaker 1: be living in an apartment. I mean the children will
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  Speaker 1: be house hunting. So anyways, that is what we are
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  Speaker 1: up to. But yeah, Patroon, we appreciate everybody. We'll get
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  Speaker 1: you another other part of our trip. We also will
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  Speaker 1: get back to recovering like documentaries or whatever. And then,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok so I share our
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  Speaker 1: dinners each night and it can be like like we
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  Speaker 1: had tacos this week from a like a fast food joint.
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  Speaker 1: I share whatever we eat, so if you just want
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  Speaker 1: to know what's going on, then follow along. I also
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  Speaker 1: still share the true crime documentaries and things like that,
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  Speaker 1: and then let's see anything else. Oh and rate review,
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  Speaker 1: get your podcast at Yes five stars only people five
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  Speaker 1: stars only. All right, I think that is it. So
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  Speaker 1: let's go ahead and get into this week's episode before
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  Speaker 1: somebody wakes up. Okay. So, on September first, twenty sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: in Danville, Kentucky, thirteen year old David Oakley arrives home
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  Speaker 1: around four pm. I watched an episode of I'll put
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  Speaker 1: it in the show notes. I watched an episode of
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  Speaker 1: See No Evil on this one, Stuart. Anyway, So David Oakley,
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  Speaker 1: he's thirteen years old. He arrives home around four pm.
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  Speaker 1: He had been at school all day. He goes into
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  Speaker 1: the home and something seems off to him, so he's
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  Speaker 1: goes to do some dishes and everything like that. The
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  Speaker 1: dogs kept barking though, and he's like like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the dogs are barking at, and so's he
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  Speaker 1: kind of ignores him, starts doing the dishes. What a
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  Speaker 1: good kid, you know, what a good kid comes home,
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  Speaker 1: do the dishes. They will not let go of barking
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  Speaker 1: at the basement. So that's when he goes ahead and
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  Speaker 1: walks with home, goes into the basement, and to his horror,
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  Speaker 1: he finds his stepmother, Ronda, lying on her back. Now
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  Speaker 1: this is where it's like really rough looking like for
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  Speaker 1: him to walk in and see there's blood around her
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  Speaker 1: body and she has a black trash bag and duct
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  Speaker 1: tape taped around her head, so it's like a horror movie.
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  Speaker 1: He immediately calls police as well as his father, Philip.
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  Speaker 1: Philip immediately heads home where he arrives and finds Plice
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  Speaker 1: with the home taped off and they're already started investigating
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  Speaker 1: this crime scene. Now at this point, they do inform
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  Speaker 1: him that Ronda is deceased.
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  Speaker 2: Investigators go through their home. They're trying to figure out
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  Speaker 2: what happened. They're looking in the basement where Ronda was murdered,
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  Speaker 2: and they don't see any signs of a struggle down there,
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  Speaker 2: so they're wondering if she was surprised by the perpetrator
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  Speaker 2: or possibly knew the person so therefore she wasn't prepared
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  Speaker 2: for a fight and just got ambushed. Basically, looking at
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  Speaker 2: her body, it appeared that she had been stabbed multiple
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  Speaker 2: times in the throat along with the bag being over
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  Speaker 2: her head. Going through the home, they did find a
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  Speaker 2: knife block in the kitchen and one of the knives
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  Speaker 2: was missing from that block. You know, it was we
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  Speaker 2: got we got one missing from our block.
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  Speaker 1: We do. It was farther aware.
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  Speaker 2: Kids.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm going to be if I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to be stabbed us, please.
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  Speaker 2: Deal with the kitchen names.
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  Speaker 1: Give the kitchen naps.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to upgrade to something like some.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe some Martha Stewart because I'm a classy bitch, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like that. Maybe if Las Crusette makes a's knife set,
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  Speaker 1: I will accept that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, do I have to do the murdering or to
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  Speaker 2: make sure you're murdering with an eye?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll know that if you go and upgrade our
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  Speaker 1: knife set here in the next week or so, that
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  Speaker 1: I'll know what's coming.
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  Speaker 2: You'll know something's up, something's up. Yep. They do believe
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  Speaker 2: that this kennife was most likely the murder weapon. I
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  Speaker 2: think I may have said that already before you went
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  Speaker 2: on your rant about what kind of knives you would
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  Speaker 2: be murdered by. Police do not see any other struggles
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  Speaker 2: within the home or any signs of forest entry. So
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  Speaker 2: here we are a little stall in the investigation, trying
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  Speaker 2: to figure out what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what the motive was, because there's nothing missing, there's
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  Speaker 1: nothing broken into I mean in it's just Ronda's just
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  Speaker 1: been murdered. But yeah, just out of nowhere, and nothing
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  Speaker 1: seems to be off other than.
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  Speaker 2: Like obviously that dead body.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they speak to Philip and they find out in
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  Speaker 1: the home it was himself, Ronda David, the thirteen year
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  Speaker 1: old that found her, and his fifteen year old daughter Jenna.
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  Speaker 1: Now down in the basement where Ronda was found, there
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  Speaker 1: was an extra bedroom as well as Jenna's bedroom. It
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  Speaker 1: was also where I believe like the laundry and everything
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  Speaker 1: was done. They asked Philip about Jenna, and he says
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  Speaker 1: that the school had called him and said that she
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  Speaker 1: hadn't shown up that day. Now is Philip's looking around.
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  Speaker 1: He also says that Ronda's car is missing. Now investigators
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  Speaker 1: need to find out where's Jenna, and they're starting to
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  Speaker 1: be concerned that possibly that's the motive, like Jenna didn't
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  Speaker 1: go to school, she's at home. Someone came in and
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  Speaker 1: took Jenna, so you know, like.
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  Speaker 2: That's murdered, the witness, murdered the stepmom.
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  Speaker 1: To get to the fifteen year old.
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  Speaker 2: They canvassed the neighborhood for security footage, but they come
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  Speaker 2: up empty handed on this. They start speaking to some
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  Speaker 2: of the neighbors, and one of the neighbors helped David
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  Speaker 2: that day he had found Ronda. When speaking to this neighbor,
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  Speaker 2: she said that David ran over and said something had
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  Speaker 2: happened to his mother. They asked if there was any
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  Speaker 2: issues in the home that she knew of, and she
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  Speaker 2: said that a while back, and this is a couple
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  Speaker 2: months ago, that Ronda had talked to her about Jenna
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  Speaker 2: having a relationship with an older fella and Ronda trying
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  Speaker 2: to help Jenna out of this situation. With this information,
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  Speaker 2: they bring Philip to the police station to question him
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  Speaker 2: about this older man that Jenna was supposedly seen. He
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  Speaker 2: tells investigators that Jenna was crazy about some guy by
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  Speaker 2: the name of Kenneth Nye. Kenny, as Philip calls him,
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  Speaker 2: is a twenty year old fella, and so he's dating
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  Speaker 2: a fifteen year old, which is a big stretch when
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  Speaker 2: you're that young. Investigators are concerned that if Kenny is
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  Speaker 2: willing to date a fifteen year old girl, then he
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  Speaker 2: might be willing to do other things to be with
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  Speaker 2: her since the relationship was forbidden.
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  Speaker 1: Kara Forboden, Yes, well, I was going to write forbidden
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  Speaker 1: and it sounded a little to Keith Morrison dateline, so
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  Speaker 1: I wrote not aloud and then you changed to forbidden relationship.
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  Speaker 1: So please don't write me letters about the knife thing.
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  Speaker 1: It was just something to.
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  Speaker 2: It's too late. They're already on their way.
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  Speaker 1: They're already writing their letters.
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  Speaker 2: They stopped when they heard that tippity tapping away.
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  Speaker 1: It was just it's just, you know, how we are,
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  Speaker 1: we're trying to it's a serious topic.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what's her face? Don't know because she wrote a
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  Speaker 2: one star review a few months back. Who I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: somebody that was upset about something.
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  Speaker 1: I said, oh, because they probably stopped listening.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, they probably stopped listening at that point.
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  Speaker 1: All right, If investigators go to track down Kenneth Nie
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  Speaker 1: and they found out that he was in the Army
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  Speaker 1: and was stationed out at Fort Carson in Colorado, So
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  Speaker 1: I remember we're in Kentucky now. When contacting the military,
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  Speaker 1: they found out that the day before the murder, which
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  Speaker 1: was August thirty first, Kenneth intentionally felled his physical test
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  Speaker 1: and was dismissed from the military. They know he like, what.
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  Speaker 2: Takes longer than that. You can't just fail your PT test.
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  Speaker 2: One day and they're like, all right, that's what they
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  Speaker 2: said Stewart.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he'd done other things. I don't know. He was
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  Speaker 1: released from the military. Maybe they didn't want him around.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously we're gonna find out he has problems. Okay, they
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  Speaker 1: gave him a he's also in a relationship with a
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  Speaker 1: fifteen year old, which is illegal, so it's forbidden. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it's forbidden. They gave him a plane ticket to Indiana
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  Speaker 1: because that's where he was from, and he was scheduled
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  Speaker 1: to leave out on that August thirty first. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how. I don't know when he failed the physical,
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  Speaker 1: but August thirty first was his last day.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they didn't.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't that day. I don't think that they just
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  Speaker 1: kicked him out.
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  Speaker 2: He just now. You usually go to legal and then
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  Speaker 2: you're like, you're sitting there for however many days till
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  Speaker 2: you're discharged as finalized and the handy you're walking papers
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  Speaker 2: and say get the hell off at the space.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it happened on August thirty first. Maybe they
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  Speaker 1: wanted to round it out nice. Last day of the month.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, full pay day?
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  Speaker 1: Are there thirty one days in August?
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  Speaker 2: Did I do that right, Okay, July on August back
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  Speaker 2: to back, lin.
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  Speaker 1: Timber is thirty days. Yes, okay, it's the only one
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  Speaker 1: that's back to back. The rest of them flip flop, except.
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  Speaker 2: For unless you count January and December.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well nobody does, so that.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So he's scheduled leave out on August thirty. First, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: he had his plane ticket. They find out that he
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  Speaker 1: never used that ticket though he traded in and got
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  Speaker 1: a ticket to go out to Kentucky that day. They
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  Speaker 1: pulled airport records and could see him walking through the airport. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: so they know he was in Kentucky the day before
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  Speaker 1: the murder. And he was also wearing a shirt that
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  Speaker 1: had it had something written on it, but it was
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  Speaker 1: in like real clear block letters, like it was very distant.
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  Speaker 1: The point is very distinct clothing where he could be
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  Speaker 1: picked out later on in the same clothing.
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  Speaker 2: In a lineup. Yes, in the same clothing.
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  Speaker 1: So the last video they have of Kenneth is him
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  Speaker 1: walking towards the taxi area to leave the airport, and
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  Speaker 1: then that's it.
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  Speaker 2: They speak to Philip and David about the home life.
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  Speaker 2: Says that Rohnda was like the love of his life
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  Speaker 2: and like, you know, they had like a nearly perfect marriage.
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  Speaker 1: Why you say, like you know because I wrote Yes,
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  Speaker 1: did I write that pretty much?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Like no, I didn't. I said, was like the love
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  Speaker 1: of his life, you know, like nearly like.
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  Speaker 2: A perfect like hel kind of like me and Kara.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, what like, oh my god? You just
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  Speaker 1: made fun of me for putting like in there.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know a hundred times.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I do this voice to text, so it just
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  Speaker 1: it's not one hundred times. I put it in there
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  Speaker 1: one time, and you exaggerated it. I didn't put it
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  Speaker 1: in there that many times.
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  Speaker 2: People, Okay, you exaggerate a lot of things that I
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  Speaker 2: supposedly do around the house.
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  Speaker 1: You exaggerate a lot of things. Okay. Anyways, the point
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  Speaker 1: is they're very happy, yes, and in.
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  Speaker 2: Love, and evidently other people on the outside picked up
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  Speaker 2: on that because they believed that were very much in love,
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  Speaker 2: and it seems like it was not just a front
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  Speaker 2: that they actually were. He was very heartbroken about Ronda
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  Speaker 2: being murdered.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I feel bad for him. He's he said that
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: she was like the love of his life and they
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: were just like perfect, you know, It's just he was
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: very sad. Yes, he was very sad about what happened
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: to her.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Due to his alibi, it was very unlikely that Philip
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: was involved. When speaking to David, he had a very
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: good relationship with Ronda. He even would call her mom
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: during these interviews.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: And it was really sad too, because this was another
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: really sad part because he's like thirteen year old boy
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and so he's in the interview and he's
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: like my mom. And so with that, and the detective said,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: did you call her mom whenever there? And he said,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: and he started kind of crying. He's like, no, but
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I should have called her mom more he called her
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: n He'd like, I called her Ronda, but I should
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: have called her mom.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Because she was There's just the real mom was.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Well, we don't know the real mom might have been there,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: but Ronda was just like everyone said, was so was
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: just so great and everything that. So you can have
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: a good biological mom possible. I mean, I don't know,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: they didn't mention it, but they could have a good
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: biological mom and then still have a really good step
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: mom and everybody gets along and they feel comfortable calling
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: her mom or something like that. You know, but I
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: felt bad for him because he was really upset that.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I guess he felt like she didn't know.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: He should have let her know more than yes, But.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: He's thirteen year old boy. I means he was doing
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: the dishes. I mean, that's so all we can ask,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: So, when he was asked about Jenna's relationship with Ronda,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: he said that they did not get along and that
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Jenna did not like Ronda. Philip told investigators that he
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: remembered a couple months previous, Ronda had found Jenna's journal
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: and in it she had written how much she hated
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Philip and Ronda, but said it wouldn't matter because they
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: would be dead soon. It's like foreshadows.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: That's aggressive, you know, to write your diaries.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: That's that's a lot, dear diary, I will kill my
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: dad and my stepmother will be dead, saying, so all
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: this hate that I have for them can go away. Obviously,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: this is very concerning to authorities, and they're starting to
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: realize that possibly Jenna was involved and rather than being
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: taken against her will, maybe she was a co conspirator
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: in this. At this point, the main focus on the
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: investigation was on Kenneth and Jenna and trying to figure
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: out where they might be.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, I found this. I found this crime like particularly disturbing.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I find anything where there's young people involved that do
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: stuff like this because you like older people, you're like
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: they've had some stuff gone through, some things like usually
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: a little bit hardened in the like adults and things
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: like that. But when young people do stuff, it's.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Very how they're emotionally disconnected from, Yes, the real of
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: what they're doing.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's just I find it just very distracted.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: But if it doesn't turn out good, I'll just restart
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the game. Yeah, like you.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Know, yeah, Okay, So they get the word out that
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: they are looking for Jenna. This is when they come
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: across an Uber driver who said that he picked up
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: a guy by the name of Kenny at the airport
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: on August thirty. First it looks promising, he tells, Kenny's
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: not that common of a name, so I feel like
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you would. I mean, it is common, but it's not
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: that common. He tells investigators that he made small talk
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: with the guy he was see. This is where the
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: uber driver would have never got me, because you're not
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: a small talk Yeah, not I don't. Well, you can
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: put the settings that you'd like if you want them
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: to talk to you or whenever, you can put it
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: in the settings and and not and not havn't talked
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: to you. I still remember this lady that I worked with,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: and she really liked her and everything that would. Me
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: and her got along really well, which is probably why
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I thought this. She's she was like, I put on
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: my settings that I liked it. Uh, cold, What the
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: fuck's wrong with you? She put cold and I was like, oh,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: she meant like cold in the temperature and I was
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: automatically went to like, oh, yeah, I don't like people
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: talking to me. She's like, no cold temperature temperature. She's like,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: so that what you think of me? I'm like yeah,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: She's like yeah, I don't want them talking to me either,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: so uh, anyways, you can put this now like you're
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: are used to, like, I don't want to do small talk.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I don't like that, I don't want music on. Yeah.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: At this point though, I'm just hopeful that the car
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: is somewhat clean and that they get me there live.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: If they need to talk to me to do that.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Then seems like the quality has gotten real.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Sketchy, like real sketchy going down.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Here, Like they're desperate for drivers and cars.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: So it's like Airbnb and Uber anything. After a while,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: it starts they start off with just like the nicest vehicles,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: the nicest homes, everything's top notch, and then as they
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: need more and more, they start lowering the bar as
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: who where you can stay in everything like that. So
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: all right, So the guy said that the Kenny guy
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: that he talked to was about twenty years old. He
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: said he'd just got all the army and he'd come
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: from Colorado. He said the only thing that was odd
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: to him is that when he asked him to drop
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: him off, it was just like on the side of
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: the road rather than an actual location, and which I
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: didn't think you could do that, but maybe back then
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: you could.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: And he just I think you can just say, hey,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: drop off here and I'll just down the trip.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Okay. Anyways, he just told the driver that he wanted
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: to surprise his girlfriend, so he needed him not to
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: pull into the driveway. So they find out where he
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: was dropped off, and it was near Philip and Ronda's
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: home and was seen walking in that direction by a witness. Now,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: As they're looking into Kenny's actions that afternoon of August thirty, first,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: they get a tip about a sighting of Jenna on
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: September first, which is the afternoon of the day of
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: the murder. Now, the witness says that they saw Jenna
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: at the Danville Walmart. Everybody's got to stop going to Walmarts?
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Do they don't know how many cameras at Walmart's for godsake, are.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: You trying to help these criminals not get caught.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, everybody gets caught with some sort of footage at Walmart.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I swear Walmart. We give Walmart a hard time, but
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: they're single handedly solving crimes left and right with the
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: camera footage. Yeah, because of how many cameras they have
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: in the quality of the cameras.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Probably got some really good technicians working on them.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Came, I'm sure they do.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: They headed the Walmart and they get security footage from
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: the day of the murder.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Or what that day, September it was that day, Yes.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: And they do see Ronda's car in the parking lot.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: They believe that.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: This would have been Yeah, the wait, what huh? They
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: see Ronda's car in the parking lot, No, I'm not
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: restarting these on his car in the parking lote. I
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: was saying, yes, it was that day. It was the
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: afternoon of the They found Ronda on four pm on
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the September first, and so this was before that timeframe,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: but it was an afternoon, so afternoons.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't get the plate number, but it's the
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: exact color and make anne model of the car. The
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: car parks and two individuals get out. From the footage
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: and the outfit they saw Kenneth wearing at the airport,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: it's fairly clear that Jenna and Kenneth are together. They're
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: both walking quickly up to the entrance of the store.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: They have footage of them walking through the store, and
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: it's very clear this is not a hostage situation or
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: any type of kidnapping. She is with him very willingly.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: They see them where and they head to the electronics
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: department and they appeared to buy a phone charger for
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: the car. This is indicating that they were possibly hitting
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: the road after committing the murder. The it almost appears
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: that jen is kind of the leader of the two,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: showing Kenneth where to go in the store and picking
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: out the item and items that they need.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was very relaxed in the situation. There was
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: no panic or anything like that. Went and got a
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: sales associate, had to have him unlocked the thing. She
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: was telling them what to do, like it was just
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: a regular day at the wally World's Doom. Now investigators
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: are trying to ping Kenneth's phone. However, he seems to
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: be turning it on and off, so they're just always
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: behind by like an hour or two. So he turns
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: it on, does whatever, and then turns it off, and
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: so by the time they he's already down the road
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: by the time they pick it back up again. So
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: while there at the time that they first ping it,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: there about two hours away when they were able to
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: start tracking that phone. Now, while they're working on the
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: location of Kenneth's phone, they obtained the diary from the house,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: and in it there are specifics Jenna wrote down about
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: the murders, including having a bag packed, having a knife prepared,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: and she put stab them first. Now, investigators, I would
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: just not like, I don't know what I would do.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I couldn't have that child in my home if I
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: knew she was writing that she wanted us to die,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: And what do you do.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you do with a fifteen year old.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: That is writing in her diary she wants you and
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: your wife to perish, to die, to die. I'd be
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: checking that diary every day waiting for her to put
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: the details in there. And when she started putting stabbed
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: them first, I'd be like, you got to get out.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I don't care how old you call.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: A popose and put you out, change the locks.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you do though, with a fifteen
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: year old wants to murder. You find out about it.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Like at grandma's house, grab sold.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: That's what my parents did to my brother anyways. Okay,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: so yeah, so she's writing all this stuff in her
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: diary and they're they're I don't know if they were aware.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I doubt they were aware of that, but I would
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: have been keeping a pretty close eye on the whole
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: city situation.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: And she lives her tirey at the house, yeah, just
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: right there on the run with her. She wants them
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: to find it.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think she cares. She was when when they
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: get to where they do catch her. Whenever they get
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: to interview her, she just seems like dead inside. I
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: don't know, she's got no emotions whatsoever. It's really disturbing.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: All right, Uh, you maybe lose my.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Spot again, I did not.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: So investigators now feel that they have confirmed that Jenna
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: might have been the one to kill Rhonda and Kenny
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: is helping her escape. So it's con completely different than
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: what they they yes, because if you were going to
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: pick which one was the murderer, you'd be like, oh,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: probably the ex military twenty year old male, not the
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: fifteen year old little girl or whatever. They continue pinging
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the phone, but again, they know they are heading west. However,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: they're not sure which direction they're going because as they're
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: pinging it, it's on I forty the whole time. But
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: like I said, they're behind because he keeps turning the
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: phone off. But they're not sure if they're headed out
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: west to California, or they're going to take a turn
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: and go to Mexico or what is going on. Finally,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: on September three, that evening, they pinged the phone and
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: is in the same location for over an hour between pings,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and they end up being in Tukamuri, New Mexico. I
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: know I'm mispronouncing that. Sorry, if you live in Tucomour, Mexico.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: So they contact the local piece there and let the
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: put piece there the local police there and let them
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: know that they are looking for these two in Ronda's vehicle.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: The local police department arrives at the location and initially
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: they don't see the car, but then tucked away they
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: do find the white Honda Civic with Kentucky plates. The
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: officer goes out to approach the car and the car's
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: headlights come on as they're going to leave. However, the
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: police were able to stop the vehicle and inside the
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: vehicle was Jenna and Kenning. They both came with the
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: officers without a fight. They were both arrested and taken
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: to the local jail. While in the local cell or
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: while in the jail cell, Kenny did is it.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Auto spelled to jail'st hair of jail from me? Blame apple?
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna blame you for not.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: How do I enunciate jail better?
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Proofread yours?
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to prof read. This is the proof
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: we are proofreading. Get right now? Okay we are the
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: test Yes, we are the proofreaders. We are a spell chick.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Well, Kenny tried to hang himself. He was taken to
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: the hospital and he did later pass away from the
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: injuries that he suffered. In his jail cell. Nothing you
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: got nothing on that.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: No, it just keeps it, just kept spelling it. Jail.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: What do you want from me? Okay, I didn't I
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: know how to spell jail j A.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I L I was just going to get the glare
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: from you every time I say something. Glare now in
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: his jails now now I'm saying it in his gael cell,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: in his gel In his jail cell. He left a
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: note saying he admits to killing Ronda in the note,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: and he says that Jenna had nothing to do with it.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: She was not in the house when I killed Ronda.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I take blame for everything. I am truly sorry, and
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: then he signed it. However, authorities are not sure if
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: this is one hundred percent true.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, just because you do something horrible and then off
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: yourself and leave a note doesn't mean it's true. It's true.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, he probably would have had a better chance
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: if he was trying to keep Jena out of trouble
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: by staying alive and going.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: To jail and sticking to the story of sticking to.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: The story the whole time, not this, because there's no
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: way for you for them to interview to confirm that this,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: you know, really pick apart your story.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: And stuff unless they get a Ouiji board and somebody
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: that can speak Stuart.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're gonna get us in trouble. I
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: know he's a murderer, but yeah, who cares. He's a
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: bad person. Okay. They bring Jenna into interview her and
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: she tells a completely different story. She says, this is
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: what I was talking about when they talked to Jenna.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: She is she ain't right.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Dead inside, Yes, she's dead inside.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: She says that Kenneth showed up at her house. He
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: was in the military had gotten out when he arrived
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: at the home. No one else was there. Her brother
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: was at school, her dad was at work, and Ronda
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: had gone out of town the night before for a
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: work conference. They were down in Jenna's room when Jenna
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: decided to go upstairs and grab a knife and head
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: back to the room. Like this was before Ronda showed
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: up or anything like that. She just went upstairs to
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: get a knife. So obviously it's clear to police that
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: they were talking about what they were going to do.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Like they were discussing it and needed to prepare and stuff.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: She didn't say that they were disgusting murder. She just said,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I went upstairs and got a knife.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Case I need to make a saying which in my room.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So, like I said, investigator knew at this point
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: this was like a premeditated situation. Ronda arrived back home
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and went downstairs to the basement to do some laundry.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: She walked into Jenna's room, and Jenna said she got
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: mad because Ronda asked her why she wasn't at school.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: She's like, hey, you're supposed to be at school, what's
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: going on. Jenna didn't want to answer her, so she
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: said said Ronda said something smart to hers. What she said?
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: That's when Jenna attacked her and started to choke Ronda.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Now this time Kenny was hiding in the closet, but
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: when Jenna attacked Ronda, he came out to help her.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: At this point, they had choked Ronda enough that she
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: had become unconscious. And again, she's just telling this stuff
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: just matter of fact. A fifteen year old like this
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: is crazy. Anyways, So when she was unconscious, they dragged
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: her to the other room and This is when Jenna
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: took the bag and wrapped it around her head and
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: then put duct tape on her mouth to keep her
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: from breathing. Now, this is when Jenna said she picked
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: up the knife and began stabbing her in the neck.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: She said that she had to stab her multiple times
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: because the knife wouldn't go through. She said that Kenneth
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: was in shock from this and actually threw up in
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: the trash can. This is when they realize when they
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: went to leave that Kenneth's phone was dead, so that's
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: why they headed to Walmart to get that charger before
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: they headed out. She said that after the Walmart, they
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: stopped at a gas station and she threw the knife away.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: So she Jenna did this whole thing to her stepmother.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, Kenneth's over pukin in the trash can because
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: he's like this is this is insane? Yeah, this is
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: absolutely insane. But I guess he was in love with
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Jenna and went along with it. I mean, she said,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: or she said that he helped her choke her, so
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: he did participate, but probably when it got to all
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: like the knife and stuff that it was.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Probably whenever she started wrapping the bag around.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Her head, probably very shocking for him.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: In October twenty sixteen, Jenna was officially charged with the
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: complicity to commit murder and theft of a stolen vehicle.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: She stole her own car.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I guess they stole Ronda's car.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I thought it was Jenna's car.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: No, it' that's true.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: She's only fifteen.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, you've read that part too about Ronda's car at
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: the Walmart.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I thought, I said Jenna's car.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Well you made if you did, you said it wrong.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: That's what were you doing while I was screwing it up.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I was looking at your phone.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: No, you were messing things up, and I was.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Thinking, yes, I can't read.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I was thinking. How do I fix this?
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Is what I was thinking. So if he said that wrong,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: it was Ronda's car, not Jenna's car, it was Ronda's.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Well, how are you going to fix this when your
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: four kids? Deep am?
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I go, oh my god, Stuart, just come on, finish
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: up now.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: They charged her with this due to the fact that
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Kenneth wrote that note confessing one thing and Jenna's confession
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: to police was another. Because if they went for with
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: the first degree murder that she had planned this all out.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Her defense attorney would be like, well, Kenneth said all
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: this in the note, So they'd go back and forth.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: The jury might have quit her on the first grade murder.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, you have to remember you're sitting in a
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: jury with the fifteen year old girl, gonna throw her
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: in jail for the rest of her life or or
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: possibly well I don't know if they have the death
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: penalty in Kentucky, but I don't think that they would go. No,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: they would but like throwing her in jail. And so
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: there were were They were very They went back and
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: forth because they were very concerned that the jury might
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: look at the twenty year old Kenneth jen'sis psychopath, Okay,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: but I think she might be getting out, so we
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: don't need to be saint.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: He well, it's twenty sixteen.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Oh so anyway, it's get close. It's getting close. We
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: gotta go. We're gonna have to go into witness protection
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: after this one.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: We're moving to California.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Imagine the Imagine the jury. You might have some it's Kentucky.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: You might have some Southern Christian folk there look looking
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: at a fifteen year old girl and a twenty year
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: old man that is now deceased, but twenty year old
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: man that was in the military. Which one would you like,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I said, which one would you think actually did this?
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: He put her up to.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, he manipulated her. He manipulated Yeah, so they had
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: they went back and forth, which there was. I mean,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: he was a twenty year old man. He should not
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: have been with this fifteen year old girl. But he
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: definitely did not make her do what she did. That
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: was all on her. So yeah, so that's why they
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: went back and forth on whether to actually go to
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: trial and what to charge her with.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So after all this back and forth about what
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: they should do, I'm not sure who brought up the
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: plea deal. I guess the prosecutors.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Brought up the prosecutor where are you?
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Because the the defense attorney had been like, hey, she'll
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: plead to this if you go you got some kind
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: of deal, they.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Said, the prosecutors did the plea.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Deal, so they brought the plea deal. In twenty nineteen,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Jenna pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to fifteen
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: years in jail. Her father said that that was nowhere
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: near long enough or what she had done. To Ronda.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I think he said he did, he has spoken to her.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know. He's in such a weird spot. I
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: feel bad for him because he he really loved Ronda
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: and this is like really disturbing what his daughter did. Yeah,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: and she's going to be out here in like five years.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: So yes, hopefully she doesn't listen to anything so and
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: come after us.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: But she might because she's only going to be thirty ish.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Oh god, she's gonna have her whole life ahead of her.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: She's gonna be working out in prison. Oh god, be
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: all buffed up.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: All right. So that is our case for the week.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: So let's let's heart up and get into our because
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: we're probably running out of time with the children and
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: the children, so let's get into our y'all need Jesus.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take this one because we were just
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: going to do STU was unprepared, so I said, let's
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: just do.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I didn't know we're recording the to day.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Some general you know, we record every other four weeks. Okay,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: you need to have something ready, so let's just start
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: with We're going to talk about a few things happening
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: around good old West Texas in Midlands. So our first
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: story is, oh, let's update you on the the biker
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: ging situation. So on the if you're if you don't remember,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: on the Loop around nine o'clock in the morning, a
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: respectful hour where people are heading commuting to and from
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: their work, children are going to care. This is a weekday.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: At nine am on the Loop in like the main
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: part of the Loop, there was a shootout or someone
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: drove by and shot a guy on a motorcycle who
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: was part of part of a biker ging. It was
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: the Mongols and the Bandidos I think was.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: The But was there a gang rivalry?
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I don't. I really don't know.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: It's a Mongol who was shot, but we don't know
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: who shot.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: We don't know who shot them, the bandit. I'm not
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: throwing shade at anybody. Let me tell you you guys,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: do you okay? Whatever side you're on, that's the right side, okay.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just giving you fat if you're asking me. I
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: think both of you are great. Okay. So then the
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: hospital goes on lockdown because the guys in the hospital, well,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: then they have to put the whole hospital in lockdown,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: which would be really scary. If you were having like
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: a baby or something, I'm sure, and find out the
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: whole hospital's lockdown. There's police over place because they needed
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: to protect the guy that was in there.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, your husband just went to water Burger to get
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: some get.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: A couple, so make sure no one came in and
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: tried to finish the job. Basically, So this is this
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: was scary to me because this happened like at nine
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, Like you could be driving like
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: normal people are like driving around doing stuff. But most
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: of time, if you hear this stuff happened at like
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: three am, and some like backstreets or something, you're like, oh, okay,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: that's like whatever about it.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: That's about the time of the night that stuff like that.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like you should be a home okay. So
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: that was the one. Oh and the big thing was
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: is that in the subdivision next to ours, they raided
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: the house that morning and it was some of the
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: gang members were living over there, and so they what's
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: happened scary in Midland? Is this really? Like you know,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: usually there's a certain parts of town where you expect
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: things like to happen or whatever, but it's like, literally,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter where you live here, there's a chance
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: there's like a whole I mean.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: There's you got to you got to be in a
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: really exclusive part of Midland and that.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Probably No, that doesn't even happen anymore.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: No, some of the neighborhood.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: No, my old boss he has the one that had
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: the car run through is uh he lives in a
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: nice neighborhood over there, and he had the car go
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: through his house, right, Yeah, and he lives in a
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: nice the nice neighborhood over there, just twice his one
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: other time it happened hit his truck. Yeah, and I
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: was like, where do you what is going on? And
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: he doesn't even he lives in like a back in
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: a nice neighborhood, like one of the nicer neighborhoods. We
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: live in a what I thought was a decent neighborhood.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: But apparently it's the greatest neighborhood ever. Yes, if you're
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: going to buy.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: This, you're going to buy this house. It's the greatest
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: neighborhood ever. Okay, So that's that story. Next up we
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: have the oh, i'll say the one from smart. So
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the next one we have the big one that happened
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: was Okay, so around one am, so this is a
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: little bit more in the middle of than I get
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: one am again over there by the Loop and like
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: in the normal parts of town and stuff like that,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: like regular old businesses and everything all around there. The
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble. There was a high speed chase. So
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: there was five teenager slash kids at one am. So
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: they go into this neighborhood and this guy comes out
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: chasing him them in his truck. He thinks that they're
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: breaking into vehicles and stuff, which I mean they there's
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: a chance they might happen either way. The guy is
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: like super super drunk or whatever, gets in his truck,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: chases the kids. They crash into a retaining wall under
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: the loop, going a one hundred and fifteen miles per hour.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: It kills the eighteen year old driver. The four other
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: were in critical conditions. So the guy gets arrested for
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: They have this on like security camera because he's driving
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: through a neighbor He's driving through like a normal neighborhood,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: like they've got security. Yes, he's just driving through a
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: subdivision or whatever, and so they have video of him driving.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: They catch him very quickly. He had been drinking. He
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: says that he thought they were breaking into vehicles and
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: he chased them off whatever, and then they crashed or whatever,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: going one hundred and some miles an hour. And apparently
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: the kids had called nine one one while he was
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: chasing him just before they crashed, saying that this guy
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: was chasing them and stuff. So he gets arrested and
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: he gets put up on like a million dollars bond
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: and he posted or whatever. Meanwhile the other four are
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: in critical condition. Well just yees today or yesterday? There
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: actually was it. They didn't I'm guessing all the people
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: the other kids in the car were under age because
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: they didn't release, like in any information about the rest
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: of the people in the car, and normally, you know,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: if it's an adult, they put the ages in the
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: names and stuff. So we find out there was a
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: twelve year old in the car at this in this
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: car at one o'clock in the morning, and they he
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: passed away from his injuries. So this is all happening
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: this guy. So he gets arrested again, he gets a
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: two million dollar bond and he posts that bell.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: So he is three hundred thousand dollars and yes, paid
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: and paid, which is all it.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Now because this is a public podcast, I'm not going
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: to go into any more speculation. So we're going to
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: move on to the next one. This one happened last night. Okay,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: guys at a park over here where families go, people
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: go fishing, real family friendly. Okay, there's a pond over
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: there people go fishing in. Really I think so someone
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: told me that they go fishing over So, no, you don't.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: You have four children, you can't go fishing the house.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: We're definitely not. We ain't going to no parks or
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: nothing in this town anymore. So over there at the park,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: all these people I started getting all these like next
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: door notications, like does anybody hear gunshots? Which around here,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: I mean it happens, Okay, it's not that uncommon, so
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: they hear.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Should be though it's disturbing.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: It should be disturbing, but really out the.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Contrary and Louisianne, if our gunshots will be like ask
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: somebody's out there hunting with their.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: In town, you shouldn't really be hearing gunshots. So they
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: heard a lot of gunshots. Someone said they counted on
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: their they had the audio on their thing. It was
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: twenty eight and it sounded like a like a like
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: an automatic rifle or something like that, and then they
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: heard six like pistol shots or whatever. So this all
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: makes sense after we find out the story. So there
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: was a shootout in this park at like it wasn't
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: even that late, Like it was late, but it was
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: night time. But I mean, you don't get dark here
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: till like nine o'clock at nights. There could be I
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: want to say it was around ten thirty eleven o'clock
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: at night that this happened. So they hear a bunch
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: of shots, and uh, everyone's trying to fare out what's
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: going on. Well, apparently there was a shootout with the
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: police and this guy is still on the loose. So
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: the next morning I was expecting them to have caught
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: the guy they whenever I read all this, but they had,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: and there's like there's drones and helicopters. They are looking
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: for this guy. He apparently drove his car to another
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: location and they found it there, and he's out loose
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: right now in Midland, and he's getting charged with like
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: capital attempted capital murder of a police officer. So that
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: one makes me nervous because he ain't got nothing to lose,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: and he's on the loose right now currently they do
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: not know where he's.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Door and take somebody instage or whatever he's got to do.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: So call me paranoid, but we were gonna go for
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: a walk tonight and I'm not going for walk. I'm
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: just not doing I don't know. It makes me very
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: nervous about I've heard things like, you know, like you
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: could just come upon someone like that and then they
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: just shoot you or whatever, because he has He's literally
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: is if you shoot at police twenty eight times, you
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: don't you don't care anymore.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: You know, you're just suicide by cop.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't care. You're just, yeah, you don't have
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: anything else to lose. You're already gonna go to jail
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: for a lot, probably the rest of your life. So
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: what do you care. So anyway, so that's the happenings
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: in Midland right now. So I'll let you know they
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: find here. Yes, there's a lot of people teaching. Oh
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: then the other one was real sad that car wreck
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: with the seventeen year.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Old and the thirteen day Oh yeah.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, someone was driving down the road, didn't have the
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: the seventeen year old. There was The seventeen year old
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: was the mom. She was in the car with her mom.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: They were driving around and had the thirteen year day
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: old baby just in their lap or whatever, and had
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: a crash and the seventeen year old and the little
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: baby died. Just drive. It would happened in the middle
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: of the day or whatever. It's crazy around here. Let
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: me tell you, I've seen people drive. I saw people
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: one time I was driving. Well that time I saw
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: the body on the side of the road. Remember that
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: one coming home from work. Remember when I saw the
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: body on the side of the road and I had
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: to call and there like, oh, yeah, we'll go check
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: it out.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I also saw on the same one when I was
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: driving they were getting on that that road that goes
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: to Odessa, the role. It's like seventy miles an hour.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Just like kids in the back just turn around looking
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: out the window. It's like, what do you even do?
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Like the cops are too busy trying to stop the
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: the biker gangs and the shootouts in the park. They're
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: not going to have time for this because.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Your children aren't restrained in the Yeah.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: It's just it's rough out here, guys. I know it's
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: rough another place too, but it feels very like it
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: feels like it's very close to home around here because
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: it is. It's it's a lot.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: So why I don't leave the house.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we try, We honestly know. It's not that I'm
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: like scared that everything's bad's gonna happen when we leave
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: the house. We do get out, like take the children's stuff,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: But it's just like at some point it's like there's
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: so much shit going on, like why are that the
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: park doing this? I wouldn't put it past someone to
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: do this at three pm at the park, like and
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: in this town, no, it would happen, so yes they
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: would so anyway, So it's just crazy. And the drivers
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: out here are they are terrible. Although them people in Florida, it.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Was rough that turnpike was that was scary.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I did not like that at all now because.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: They would there was like three or four lanes. They
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: would just use all of them to get around all
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: the cars. You'd see a guy coming up in the
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: far left and he couldn't get by, so he'd go
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: all the way to the right lane, come back, cut
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: you off to get back to the left lane. Whatever
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: they and I used to drive on the I five
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: in California right there at the Orange crush at the
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: four or five and the five, and that was terrible.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Driving through Houston is terrible, but.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: It ain't nowhere near as bad as driving on that turn.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I've never been like, actually, I've never been scared in
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Houston because it was.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: So long, and Houston is just messed up because you
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: got to pay attention to all the interchanges and if
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: you don't get over, you're gonna be on the wrong
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: damn highway. So you got to make sure you're in
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: the right lane. That's where it's and then there's all
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: the traffic. But these people are just wild.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty sketchy too, going between Beaumont in Charles. Yeah,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: it's grill sketch.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: But anyways, all right.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: A straight line.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a straight line so you can kind
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: of see what's coming at you.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Anyways, all right, well that is our Yes, our middlane
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: is our case for the week, and we'll try to
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: We're kind of busy next week, so we will try
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: to get a case out, but if not, it'll be
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: the next week. We'll let you know. Anyways, all right,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: do you have anything else dance to? Don't write us
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: emails about the jokes. Okay, guys, hey that.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Those people whoever's writing those emails did not listen this
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: far and.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: I put it in the disclaimer. Okay, we all need
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: to use our reading, Okay, our abilities like this is
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: if you're sensitive, this is not for you.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, then it's on them.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: I would if I if I was murdered, I would
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: want someone to make a joke.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: I would make jokes about yeah, how I did it
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: and everything.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: So anyways, all right, well we'll see you guys. Don't
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: forget Patreon, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and I guess we'll see
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: you guys. Water bye everyone, say bye, st bybea Doelln't you.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Know it's bad to be superstious. Find nothing else is
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: working and it's really learning and say this worthy fine
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Cam