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#55 Mark's Shocking Resurrection Story · Deep-Grace Diving with Tim Wright and Terey Summers

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if you had a chance to write a story about the most significant
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amazing event ever
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SPEAKER_00: to happen in human history how would you write it
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If you were to write the story of the resurrection of Jesus,
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how would you write it?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm guessing you would not write it the way that Mark did.
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SPEAKER_00: In fact, the other three Gospels don't write it the way that Mark did.
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SPEAKER_00: And Mark was the first to write it.
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And it is a profound and yet shocking telling of the
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resurrection of Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: My name is Tim Wright.
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SPEAKER_00: You're listening to the Deep Grace Diving podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: Here with Terry Summers.
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SPEAKER_00: Hello.
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SPEAKER_00: Yep, there she is.
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SPEAKER_00: And John.
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SPEAKER_00: Hi there.
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SPEAKER_00: And we have been doing, this is episode number 55.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is episode number 35 of our walk through the Gospel of Mark.
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SPEAKER_00: And our final one.
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And Mark's Gospel is 16 chapters long,
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and we didn't cover any of the parables.
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SPEAKER_00: So we spent a lot of time going deep.
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And if you haven't heard them all,
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they're all in the archives there for you.
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If you're ever looking for a Bible study to help you kind of
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understand what Mark's
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SPEAKER_00: doing and what the stories of Jesus are about.
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SPEAKER_00: And today we get to the conclusion of the story, the high point.
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SPEAKER_00: And just for some context...
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SPEAKER_00: The chapter 15,
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SPEAKER_00: now remember when they wrote these gospels,
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SPEAKER_00: they didn't write with chapters and verses.
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SPEAKER_00: So some guy sat down and sort of put them in to make it easier.
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SPEAKER_00: And one of the stories is that he was riding on a horseback.
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SPEAKER_00: And so once in a while,
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the horse would sort of jump and he would put the verse in the
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wrong place because
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there's some places where you've got verse numbers in the
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middle of a verse or at
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SPEAKER_00: the end of a verse,
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SPEAKER_00: whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: But just looking at the way the story is structured thematically,
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SPEAKER_00: His telling of the death of Jesus is 47 verses long.
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SPEAKER_00: His telling of the resurrection is eight verses long.
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SPEAKER_00: It seems sort of an odd way to tell the ultimate ending to the story.
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SPEAKER_00: But there's some real beauty in it.
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SPEAKER_00: So I hope we've hyped it enough for you to say, yeah, I got to listen in.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: So Terry,
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she's going to read for us the entire 16th chapter of the
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Gospel of Mark in the
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SPEAKER_00: next two minutes.
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SPEAKER_03: All righty.
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SPEAKER_01: Here we go.
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Saturday evening,
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when the Sabbath ended,
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Mary Magdalene,
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Mary the mother of James,
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and Salome,
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SPEAKER_01: went out and purchased burial spices so they could anoint Jesus's body.
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SPEAKER_01: Very early on Sunday morning, just at sunrise, they went to the tomb.
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SPEAKER_01: On the way,
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SPEAKER_01: they were asking each other,
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SPEAKER_01: who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance to the tomb?
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But as they arrived,
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they looked up and saw that the stone,
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which was very large,
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SPEAKER_01: already been rolled aside.
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SPEAKER_01: When they entered the tomb,
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SPEAKER_01: they saw a young man clothed in a white robe sitting on the right side.
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SPEAKER_01: The women were shocked, but the angel said, don't be alarmed.
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SPEAKER_01: You are looking for Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified.
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SPEAKER_01: He isn't here.
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SPEAKER_01: He is risen from the dead.
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SPEAKER_01: Look, this is where they laid his body.
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Now go and tell his disciples,
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including Peter,
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that Jesus is going ahead of you to Galilee.
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SPEAKER_01: You will see him there just as he told you before he died.
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SPEAKER_01: The women fled from the tomb,
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SPEAKER_01: trembling and bewildered,
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SPEAKER_01: and they said nothing to anyone because they were too frightened.
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SPEAKER_00: I want to read the final verse again from my translation.
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So they went out and fled from the tomb for terror and
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amazement had seized them.
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SPEAKER_00: And they said nothing to anyone for they were afraid.
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Very strange words for what Christians proclaim to be the
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greatest transformational
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SPEAKER_00: miracle ever to take place.
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And when you think about all the celebrations we do on Easter
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Sunday,
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the music is upbeat.
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SPEAKER_00: You've got choirs.
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SPEAKER_00: You've got bands.
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SPEAKER_00: You've got trumpets.
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SPEAKER_00: And Mark said their response to Easter, they were terrorized and afraid.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a fascinating, fascinating way to end the gospel.
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SPEAKER_00: Thanks everyone for listening.
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SPEAKER_03: You cannot believe what we're going to tackle next week.
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SPEAKER_00: So you've, you just have had the horror of the, of the crucifixion.
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SPEAKER_00: And now the terror of the resurrection is so interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: So interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So,
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SPEAKER_00: let's kind of see what you guys thought about it,
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SPEAKER_00: and we'll see if we can make some sense of it.
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SPEAKER_00: Go ahead, John.
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SPEAKER_03: So, the first thing is, so many questions.
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The first thing is,
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though,
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in the Bible that I'm reading,
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there's stuff after.
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SPEAKER_00: Verse 8.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, there is.
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And it says,
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it says,
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the most ancient manuscripts of Mark conclude with verse 8.
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SPEAKER_03: Later manuscripts add one or both of the following endings,
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SPEAKER_03: which essentially go through verse 20.
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SPEAKER_03: So why are there different versions?
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SPEAKER_03: And what am I supposed to read?
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SPEAKER_03: And are we lumping it together or not lumping it together?
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SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
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SPEAKER_00: So let's tackle that one.
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Because people will look at their Gospels of Mark and say,
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yeah,
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you're right.
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SPEAKER_00: Mine goes to 20 as well.
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SPEAKER_00: What's Tim reading?
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SPEAKER_03: So people that paid extra for the Bible have a little extra.
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SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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SPEAKER_00: So the oldest manuscripts that we have,
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SPEAKER_00: and when you're doing a Bible translation and study the Bible,
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SPEAKER_00: you always want the oldest manuscripts.
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manuscripts that you can find because they're the older they
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are the more the
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closer they are to the original so you know if it was if you
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found a manuscript and
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it was dated 1979 you think wow wow that's like 2 000 years
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that there's going to
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probably be some stuff there that that maybe we can't validate
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maybe we can but the
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and this is why our bibles are so accurate because we have
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these really ancient
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SPEAKER_00: manuscripts and we're able to compare and contrast
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SPEAKER_00: And the older the manuscript, the better the translation is going to be.
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SPEAKER_00: So the oldest manuscripts we have of Mark's Gospel end at verse 8.
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SPEAKER_00: They were afraid.
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Then they would find some other Gospels of Mark with some
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additions to them.
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SPEAKER_00: Now let me say a couple things about the additions.
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First of all,
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none of the additions to the resurrection story added to the
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Gospel of Mark
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SPEAKER_00: conflict in any way,
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SPEAKER_00: shape,
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SPEAKER_00: or form with the other resurrection stories in Luke and John and Matthew.
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There's nothing there where you would say,
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oh yeah,
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they really made some stuff up.
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SPEAKER_00: It's all in line with the other resurrection stories.
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SPEAKER_00: So,
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SPEAKER_00: a couple thoughts on why this happened,
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SPEAKER_00: and there are Bible scholars who can go a lot deeper.
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SPEAKER_00: It's an odd way to end the story.
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SPEAKER_00: And the Christian community,
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SPEAKER_00: as it grew,
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recognized that there was more to the resurrection story than
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them just running
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SPEAKER_00: away afraid.
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SPEAKER_00: Jesus appeared to people.
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SPEAKER_00: Jesus ate breakfast with the disciples.
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SPEAKER_00: Jesus ascended into heaven.
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SPEAKER_00: There was more to the story.
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And so as the communities would pass these stories along,
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they would start to add in
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SPEAKER_00: some of these addendums to the gospel of Mark.
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SPEAKER_00: They didn't conflict with other stories,
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SPEAKER_00: but they probably weren't original to the Mark that we read,
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SPEAKER_00: the original one.
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They just added these in because they were stories that were
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out there and needed
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SPEAKER_00: to attach them to something.
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SPEAKER_00: And it could be that Mark's was the only gospel they had.
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And it also can be that as time went on,
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they said,
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you can't end it that way.
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SPEAKER_00: You can't just let people be afraid.
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SPEAKER_00: There's more to it.
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SPEAKER_00: People are going to start asking, okay, well, they were afraid.
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SPEAKER_00: What were they afraid of?
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SPEAKER_00: And nobody ever saw Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: Did he really rise from the dead?
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SPEAKER_00: And so what they're doing is they're taking other stories,
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SPEAKER_00: validated stories,
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SPEAKER_00: and they're adding them to finish out the book of Mark to say,
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SPEAKER_00: yes,
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SPEAKER_00: this was something more happened than just women running away afraid.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's part of what's happening.
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And your Bibles are all going to have footnotes trying to
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explain some of that.
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SPEAKER_00: But these added stories all have to do with Jesus seeing somebody.
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SPEAKER_03: And we're not going to go through those in this podcast,
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SPEAKER_03: but I think that is a choice of podcast efficiency.
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SPEAKER_03: You're not saying, Tim, don't read the rest of Mark.
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SPEAKER_03: You're saying,
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SPEAKER_03: as you have for the past,
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SPEAKER_03: I don't know,
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SPEAKER_03: 6,000 Mark podcasts,
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SPEAKER_03: this is the provision that we're going to focus on today.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: And part of it is because that's the way it was originally written.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that there is a reason why Mark wrote that way.
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SPEAKER_00: and didn't finish out the rest of the story.
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And that there is much to be gained from that phrase,
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they were afraid,
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as the other stories.
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Now we need to remember that Marx was,
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as far as we know,
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one of the first Gospels written.
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So they're collecting these stories quickly because they
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believe Jesus is coming back soon.
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And also because the Romans had come in and essentially
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destroyed Jerusalem,
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SPEAKER_00: displacing the Christian movement.
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SPEAKER_00: And so they needed to write down these stories so that Christians had...
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SPEAKER_00: their official stories to bring with them.
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SPEAKER_00: Jewish people were people of the book.
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SPEAKER_00: They had their Jewish scriptures to sort of hold them.
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SPEAKER_00: Christianity isn't first and foremost people of the book.
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SPEAKER_00: It's people of a person.
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SPEAKER_00: We're followers of Jesus and the stories introduce us to Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: But they still needed something down.
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SPEAKER_00: And so in Mark's case,
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SPEAKER_00: it could be that,
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SPEAKER_00: man,
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he was trying to crank this thing out as quickly as possible
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while the Romans were
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SPEAKER_00: coming in,
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SPEAKER_00: destroying Rome.
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SPEAKER_00: The Christian community would have something to tell.
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And could it be that they were afraid maybe speaking to what
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people were going
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through in that moment as Rome is destroying Jerusalem and
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they're fleeing in
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SPEAKER_00: terror?
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so it's one way to look at it so yeah I'm not saying that the
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other parts aren't
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important but what I am saying is we're going to stick to
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Mark's gospel as we know
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it to be and he ends with this and so let's ask the question
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why did he end that
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way and what does it have to say to us so good question John
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and a long answer well
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thank you Terry anything that caught your imagination before we
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sort of see if we
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SPEAKER_00: can dive into this story a little bit
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SPEAKER_01: Well, as to why he ended there, I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm waiting to hear what you have to say.
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SPEAKER_01: But I can really... I think the impression would be, wait a minute.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're going to visit...
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the grave and they're processing all of that,
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that all seems so legit to me.
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And the heightened processing of how are we going to get the
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stone and,
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you know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_01: All of that.
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So,
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but to,
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to be terrified at what the heck,
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you know,
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like that has to be a little bit creepy.
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SPEAKER_01: So I, why, I mean, I'm not doubting it.
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why he wrote that yeah i mean i there's evidence that just says
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you know in a human
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way this is but why he would leave it there i'm not i don't i'm
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not sure yeah so uh
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let's just kind of walk through some of the details of this
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story um the first
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that's fascinating of course is that it was women who went to
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anoint the body of
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SPEAKER_00: jesus
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SPEAKER_00: And we've had this debate for centuries.
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SPEAKER_00: Did women play a leadership role in the Christian church?
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SPEAKER_00: There have been denominations,
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SPEAKER_00: still are,
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SPEAKER_00: that say,
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SPEAKER_00: no,
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SPEAKER_00: they should not play a role in leadership.
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SPEAKER_00: And yet,
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SPEAKER_00: over and over again,
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SPEAKER_00: it's women who end up leading the men in the early Christian movement.
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SPEAKER_00: The first people to hear that Jesus is alive are not men, but women.
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SPEAKER_03: That's right.
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SPEAKER_00: First people to share the gospel that Jesus has risen from the dead.
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SPEAKER_00: Not a man, it's a woman.
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And that they would even say this is really curious because in
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Jesus' day,
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SPEAKER_00: if you had the testimony of women,
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SPEAKER_00: it didn't count in a court of law.
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SPEAKER_00: So no matter how many women said,
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SPEAKER_00: we saw Jesus alive,
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SPEAKER_00: until a man stands up and says,
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SPEAKER_00: I saw Jesus alive,
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SPEAKER_00: it doesn't hold up in a court of law.
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SPEAKER_00: And yet the Gospels,
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SPEAKER_00: putting the entire weight of the Christian movement onto some people,
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SPEAKER_00: put it onto women,
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SPEAKER_00: not men.
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SPEAKER_00: Which suggests that the story is authentic.
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SPEAKER_00: Because if you're making it up,
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SPEAKER_00: you're going to have men testifying for the resurrection of Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: So we've got these women.
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SPEAKER_00: And where are the men?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, they're hiding out, right?
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SPEAKER_00: They're afraid.
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SPEAKER_00: It's very early.
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SPEAKER_00: So the first day of the week,
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SPEAKER_00: and people often ask,
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SPEAKER_00: well,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: the Jews worshiped on the Sabbath,
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SPEAKER_00: Saturday,
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SPEAKER_00: Friday,
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SPEAKER_00: Saturday.
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SPEAKER_00: Why do Christians worship on Sunday?
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SPEAKER_00: Because that was the day Jesus rose from the dead.
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SPEAKER_00: And so it became the new day to worship.
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SPEAKER_00: A new creation happened that day.
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So they're getting there and they say,
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who's going to roll the stone away?
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SPEAKER_00: Now, to Terry's point, they're expecting to find what?
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SPEAKER_00: A big stone in front of the... And what do they expect behind that stone?
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SPEAKER_01: The body of Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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SPEAKER_00: A dead body.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what they expect.
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And remember,
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when Jesus talked about dying and rising from the dead,
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nobody...
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in their right mind could figure out what he was talking about
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because it makes no sense.
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So just to be clear,
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Tim,
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in the culture,
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the tomb in this case was dug into a small hill.
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SPEAKER_03: Yep.
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And there was a place for a carved stone that's like a circular
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shape to be rolled in front of.
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SPEAKER_03: And then would they not, after a period of time, reuse those tombs?
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SPEAKER_03: And so that was the idea behind the rolling of the stone.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And John has been to Jerusalem.
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SPEAKER_00: And we go,
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SPEAKER_00: when we do our trips to Jerusalem,
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SPEAKER_00: we go to a place called the Garden Tomb,
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SPEAKER_00: a very beautiful area.
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SPEAKER_00: We do a little worship service and communion.
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SPEAKER_00: And the time John was there,
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SPEAKER_00: he actually died while I was preaching,
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SPEAKER_00: as happens to many times when I would preach,
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SPEAKER_00: people would just die.
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SPEAKER_00: And we threw him in the tomb and he popped right out again.
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You actually have a tomb that you can walk into and it has
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several chambers to it.
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SPEAKER_00: You can't get a lot of people in there at once,
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but there were like two or three beds where people could be
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laid and you can walk
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SPEAKER_00: in and see it.
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So,
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and they would,
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they would roll a stone,
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but the stone would sort of go down a slight hill.
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SPEAKER_00: So rolling it back up again,
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SPEAKER_00: would be really difficult, especially, you know, no offense to women.
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SPEAKER_00: There's probably some strong women,
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SPEAKER_00: but generally speaking,
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SPEAKER_00: they would have had a hard time,
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SPEAKER_00: as would the men,
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SPEAKER_00: getting that stone rolled up again.
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SPEAKER_00: And in this case, he doesn't mention it, but the others do.
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SPEAKER_00: Pilate sends some soldiers to guard the place.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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Now,
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Mark doesn't mention that,
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so we won't add that in today,
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but Mark doesn't mention that.
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SPEAKER_00: But these women go, fully expecting to find a dead body.
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SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
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SPEAKER_00: They go to anoint this dead body because they didn't have time.
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SPEAKER_00: When Jesus died, it was now Sabbath.
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So they had to just lay him in the tomb and they came back
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after the Sabbath was
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SPEAKER_00: over to anoint a dead body.
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SPEAKER_00: It's really important to keep in mind what Mark is saying here.
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SPEAKER_00: They expected to find a dead body.
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SPEAKER_00: So when they get there,
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SPEAKER_00: The stone has already been rolled away, has been rolled back.
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SPEAKER_00: The tomb is now open, which was a little bit frightening.
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And maybe they thought,
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well,
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somebody got here before we did,
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but they're okay.
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SPEAKER_00: How did this happen?
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SPEAKER_00: And they look in and they see a young man dressed in a white robe.
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SPEAKER_00: sitting on the right side.
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SPEAKER_00: And why is that important?
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SPEAKER_00: Well,
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SPEAKER_00: because when you walk into the tomb,
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SPEAKER_00: again,
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SPEAKER_00: if there are several sort of beds carved out of stone,
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SPEAKER_00: Jesus would have been on the right side of the tomb.
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SPEAKER_00: So would have been right off the door to the right.
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SPEAKER_00: Probably an angel, at least a man in white robes.
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SPEAKER_00: It doesn't say that.
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SPEAKER_00: Could have been, who knows?
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SPEAKER_00: Could have been a,
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SPEAKER_00: we don't know,
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but we get the sense it was an angel because that's what it was
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from the other
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SPEAKER_00: stories.
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SPEAKER_00: And he says to them, what's the first thing he says?
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SPEAKER_03: Don't be afraid.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: don't be afraid,
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which is the one command that we have more than any other in
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the scriptures.
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SPEAKER_00: Don't be afraid.
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SPEAKER_00: Why does he need to say that?
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SPEAKER_00: Well,
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SPEAKER_00: if any of us were going to a tomb to anoint a dead body,
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SPEAKER_00: and that dead body's not there,
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SPEAKER_00: but some guy's sitting there in a white robe,
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SPEAKER_00: we'd be peeing our pants and
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SPEAKER_00: And that's not metaphorically speaking.
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SPEAKER_03: No question.
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SPEAKER_00: So he's trying to, okay, hang on now.
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SPEAKER_00: I know you're panicked.
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SPEAKER_00: Don't be afraid.
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Because Jesus,
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who was crucified,
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so he identifies,
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yeah,
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you got the right tomb.
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SPEAKER_00: You didn't take the wrong place.
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SPEAKER_00: Jesus, who was crucified, is not here anymore.
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SPEAKER_00: Look, right here.
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SPEAKER_00: This is where he was.
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SPEAKER_00: not here anymore.
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SPEAKER_00: He's gone to Galilee.
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SPEAKER_00: And he's going to meet you there.
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And the other thing that's interesting here is he says,
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tell his disciples and Peter.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: Terry, you love callbacks.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: What's the callback?
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, gosh.
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SPEAKER_01: The last exchange they had where he said you would...
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SPEAKER_01: No.
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SPEAKER_03: Upon this rock I will build this church?
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SPEAKER_00: Nope.
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The last thing that Jesus said to Peter is you're going to deny
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me three times.
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SPEAKER_01: I was right.
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SPEAKER_01: I said that.
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SPEAKER_00: Was that what you were saying?
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: That's the callback.
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SPEAKER_00: Because Peter had denied Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: He's living in the guilt and shame of it.
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SPEAKER_00: And the angel or this young man says, make sure you tell Peter.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Now that could have been good news or bad news.
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SPEAKER_00: he's coming for you, Peter, or, hey, Peter, things are going to be okay.
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SPEAKER_03: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So remember now, they thought this was going to be a dead body.
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SPEAKER_00: They walk in.
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SPEAKER_00: There's no body there.
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SPEAKER_00: They're told now, this dead body is now alive.
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How do you think any of us would walk out of,
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let's say we go to church for a funeral,
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SPEAKER_00: We're going to see the funeral for grandpa.
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SPEAKER_00: And you say, you know what?
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SPEAKER_00: I want to see grandpa one more time.
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SPEAKER_00: Could you just lift the lid on that casket?
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SPEAKER_00: And grandpa's gone.
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SPEAKER_00: Nothing there.
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SPEAKER_00: And the funeral guy, he's assuring you, no, this is the same casket.
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SPEAKER_00: He was here a minute ago.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, we'd all be just a little freaked out.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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Especially if we turned around and in the back of the church is
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grandpa saying,
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SPEAKER_00: I've been waiting for you.
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SPEAKER_03: And throw in an angel saying, don't be afraid.
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SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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So I think part of the beauty of this gospel is that Mark
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captures the very essence
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SPEAKER_00: of what any of us would have thought.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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We're all used to the tomb being empty because that's the story
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we've been told.
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SPEAKER_00: They haven't been told that story.
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SPEAKER_00: They're living it in real time.
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SPEAKER_00: And it gives us permission,
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SPEAKER_00: I think,
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SPEAKER_00: to have our own doubts and our own concerns about the story.
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SPEAKER_00: Because the fact that they are terrorized and amazed, of course...
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and they fled because they were afraid,
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suggests they're not quite sure what to make of it.
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I could see where they'd be afraid that something happened to
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Jesus,
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what happened to him.
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SPEAKER_00: I could see where they would be afraid where,
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SPEAKER_00: what if this is really true and he really is alive?
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: I've never seen a dead guy alive before,
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SPEAKER_00: with maybe the exception of Lazarus,
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SPEAKER_00: but he's not in this story.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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And they,
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Tim,
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they have to be,
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you know,
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their heads have to be swimming,
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right?
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SPEAKER_03: Because not just a few days before.
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SPEAKER_03: That's right.
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SPEAKER_03: When they were like, here comes our conquering military hero.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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And then the conquering military hero came in and started
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saying things and acting
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like that wasn't the kind of hero that he's not the hero that
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we're expecting.
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SPEAKER_03: And so they have to internalize that.
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And then they have to get to,
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okay,
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but let's go to the tomb and perform this ritual.
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SPEAKER_03: And they get to the tomb and now he's not there.
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SPEAKER_03: And why is that?
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SPEAKER_03: And well, he said now he's alive.
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SPEAKER_03: I mean, it just has to be absolutely shocking.
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SPEAKER_00: The emotional rollercoaster.
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SPEAKER_00: that they were on,
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not unlike the emotional rollercoaster human beings go through
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with receiving maybe
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SPEAKER_00: shocking news about,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: you've got cancer,
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SPEAKER_00: you go through that process.
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SPEAKER_00: And then for some, the process takes them for others.
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They're just this miraculous healing,
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the emotional rollercoaster you go through.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what they went through.
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SPEAKER_00: And in some ways,
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I think there are those of us who go through our own spiritual
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roller coasters.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: there are times when we are,
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SPEAKER_00: man,
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SPEAKER_00: we're at the mountaintop with Jesus and everything is great.
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SPEAKER_00: We could walk on water.
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And the next minute we are so down in the depths,
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we wonder if he's even alive.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the God forsakenness of last week.
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But yeah,
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I think this is just a very,
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very human telling of what people would have really felt.
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And then the beauty of Mark's gospel is it's sort of,
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it leaves you asking for more.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, okay, so what happened?
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SPEAKER_00: Did he really rise from the dead?
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SPEAKER_00: Did they see him?
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SPEAKER_00: Did he talk to Peter?
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SPEAKER_00: What happened?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And it invites you to keep digging into the story.
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SPEAKER_00: And which is what the Christian communities would have done.
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SPEAKER_00: By that point, they'd have other gospels.
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SPEAKER_00: They'd have Paul's writings.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: But there's,
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SPEAKER_00: as we saw with the humanness of Jesus last week with his death,
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SPEAKER_00: now you see it with these women in particular.
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And this has become one of my favorite resurrection stories
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just because of how
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SPEAKER_00: authentic it feels and how real it feels.
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SPEAKER_00: I love the ones where Jesus goes and has breakfast and he restores Peter.
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SPEAKER_00: All of that's really important.
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SPEAKER_00: But those stories really build on this,
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SPEAKER_00: that initial fear,
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SPEAKER_00: shock,
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SPEAKER_00: at having lost Jesus,
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SPEAKER_00: and now,
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SPEAKER_00: what,
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SPEAKER_00: you're saying he's alive?
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SPEAKER_00: That's not even possible.
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SPEAKER_00: There's nowhere in their worldview that could have been possible at all.
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SPEAKER_00: There's nowhere,
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SPEAKER_00: even in our worldview,
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SPEAKER_00: even though we believe in the resurrection of the dead,
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SPEAKER_00: there's nowhere in our worldview where,
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SPEAKER_00: oh,
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SPEAKER_00: yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: sure,
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SPEAKER_00: I can't.
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SPEAKER_00: pretty sure grandpa got up and walked out of that casket.
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SPEAKER_00: You have no problem.
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SPEAKER_03: Right.
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SPEAKER_03: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's very human.
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SPEAKER_00: And, uh, it just, again, I think just brilliantly written stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: And,
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SPEAKER_00: um,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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we often look back on these writers and we think they were
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ancient and they didn't
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SPEAKER_00: have much education,
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SPEAKER_00: but here we are 2000 years later,
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SPEAKER_00: still trying to figure out their story.
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SPEAKER_00: So there's something going on here.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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Like an exclamation point to how devastated they had to have
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been when he died.
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SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_01: That's like a bottom out time.
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SPEAKER_01: But then this is almost like boom, it goes down.
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Like there's an exclamation point to the mood or to the effort
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of all of that.
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SPEAKER_01: that then he's gone you know like you know what i mean like what are the
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possibilities here um along with oh my goodness you know yes i
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think that's well
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said because they were amazed and afraid yeah um so they know
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it's almost like
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really oh no i can't possibly believe that i can't let get my
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hopes up but really
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SPEAKER_00: right and then they fled for they were afraid um
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SPEAKER_00: is my leg being twisted here, pulled, or is this real?
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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You've got sort of this anticipatory hope,
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but you don't want to get your hopes up too high.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: And then,
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SPEAKER_00: of course,
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SPEAKER_00: you've got Mary in the garden tomb who sees Jesus,
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SPEAKER_00: and he says,
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SPEAKER_00: go tell him I'm alive.
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SPEAKER_00: He appears to all the disciples, has dinner or has breakfast with him.
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SPEAKER_00: He eats.
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SPEAKER_00: And I wish I could remember.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it's called...
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SPEAKER_00: There was a movie that came out a few years ago starring Joseph Fiennes.
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SPEAKER_00: Is it Fiennes?
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SPEAKER_00: Like Ralph Fiennes' brother?
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SPEAKER_00: Does that sound familiar?
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SPEAKER_00: Anyway, look it up if you want.
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It's a Jesus movie about the resurrection,
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but it has a really interesting twist to it.
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And I won't tell you what the twist is,
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but it was a twist I didn't see coming.
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SPEAKER_00: And so it was one of those really interesting...
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SPEAKER_00: Jesus movies,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: I won't compare it to The Chosen because The Chosen is just so excellent,
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but this was a really interesting take on all of those old
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sword and sandal
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SPEAKER_00: biblical stories where,
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SPEAKER_00: in this case,
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SPEAKER_00: something happens to the Roman centurion that you don't expect to happen.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it was called Resurrection,
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SPEAKER_00: but look up Joseph Fiennes in Jesus' movie,
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SPEAKER_00: and then I think you'd find that.
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SPEAKER_00: Fascinating.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, so that's the Gospel of Mark in 35 episodes.
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SPEAKER_00: So, John, you're really good at math.
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If we had 35 half-hour episodes,
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how many hours did we spend on the Gospel of Mark?
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SPEAKER_03: 16 and a half.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's very good.
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SPEAKER_00: 17 and a half.
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SPEAKER_00: My answer would have been a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: So almost an hour for every chapter, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And again, we didn't cover the parable.
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SPEAKER_00: Someday we'll do that.
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SPEAKER_00: Next week,
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SPEAKER_00: John and Terry don't know this yet,
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but next week I'm going to do an interview with a new friend of
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mine who has a
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SPEAKER_00: Job-like story to tell of faith.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think people will find that very interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: Not sure what we'll do in the weeks after that,
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SPEAKER_00: but really soon we're going to dive into,
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we're going to go back to the beginning and we're going to look
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at these wonderful
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SPEAKER_00: stories in the book of Genesis that are oftentimes so confusing that
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and so ancient that we wonder if they can say anything to us
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today and what do they
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SPEAKER_00: have to do with us Christians.
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SPEAKER_00: But there's some really good stuff there as well.
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SPEAKER_00: And we'll talk more about that in the podcast to come.
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SPEAKER_03: And if you're just catching up with us, don't be afraid.
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SPEAKER_03: Just move on back to the first one of Mark.
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SPEAKER_03: It's a great place to start.
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New,
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old,
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been new to the church,
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just poking around the church or been here for a long time.
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SPEAKER_03: Don't be afraid.
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SPEAKER_03: Mark's got a lot to say to you.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, he does.
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And I think I could say with certainty that in the 16 and a
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half hours of podcasts
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SPEAKER_00: we've done,
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SPEAKER_00: there's probably three or four minutes of real insight.
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but you got to listen to all 16 hours yeah right yeah and we're
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not going to tell
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you where they are next week yeah you got to find them out to
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us yeah in the
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comments be sure to tell us about those seconds of insight yeah
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all right give me
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to you again terry thank you thank you john thank you bye-bye
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