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Behind the Producer of It Ends With Us: Alex Saks · Clyde Confidential

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  Speaker 1: What advice would you give someone who wants to grow
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  Speaker 1: up and be Alex Sax Don't do it. Hi, everyone,
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  Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode of Clyde Confidential. I'm really
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  Speaker 1: excited to introduce my two guests to day. I have
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  Speaker 1: the amazing producer Alex Sachs and her amazing assistant Carly Swift,
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  Speaker 1: and my two dogs, Summer and Date because they forgot
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  Speaker 1: to get a dog sitter today, so they are chilling
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  Speaker 1: with us on the couch, so hopefully they're breathing. Does
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  Speaker 1: not interview this episode, but Alex and Carly, thank you
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  Speaker 1: guys so much for coming. It's been a minute since
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  Speaker 1: I've seen you both.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for having us.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, we are very excited.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you. I guess we can
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  Speaker 1: start at the beginning, like how I met both of you,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to, you know, discuss that, and then
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  Speaker 1: we can sort of get into it.
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  Speaker 2: But well, we both have different stories.
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  Speaker 4: We met on the set of No Hard Feelings, which
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  Speaker 4: I was producing, and you were working with Jen, and
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  Speaker 4: we I mean I fell in love with all three
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  Speaker 4: of you, you just and Jen, but yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And and and then.
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  Speaker 4: When I needed a new assistant a couple months after
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  Speaker 4: we wrapped shooting. I called you when you brought me Carly.
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  Speaker 1: And Carly, how did we meet?
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  Speaker 3: We met through a mutual friend, Michael Michael Michael Sherman,
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  Speaker 3: who connected us.
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  Speaker 5: Like a few years ago before.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you were you were one of my first candidates. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like I think I was like og starting out before.
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  Speaker 3: You actually officially launched Clyde.
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  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And we just like reconnected when I was looking
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  Speaker 3: for a job again. And it was funny because when
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  Speaker 3: you reached out about Alex, I had already met her before,
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  Speaker 3: like a year prior. Maybe did you guys meet? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I met her through an ex boyfriend. They had work
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  Speaker 3: together on a Yeah. Yeah, So when she reached out,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, all right. When you reached out,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh I know Alex, Okay, all right,
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  Speaker 3: this is yeah, let's.
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  Speaker 1: Explore this and yeah, I love it. Well, how long?
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  Speaker 1: So how long has it been since you guys? Have
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  Speaker 1: I forgive me, it's been a couple of years now, right.
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  Speaker 3: It's been almost three years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey that's pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's
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  Speaker 1: a long term relationship. Good, you're longer than any of
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  Speaker 1: my relationships. Yeah, three years, Oh my god. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: you guys have sort of done it all together at
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  Speaker 1: this point. You even lived together right in New York
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  Speaker 1: what film project?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, we have more than once we lived together on
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  Speaker 4: it ends with us and kind of pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And how was living together?
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  Speaker 5: I think great?
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  Speaker 3: I think in the beginning how I was like, I
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  Speaker 3: think great by the way I was.
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  Speaker 4: That's why I was letting her respond. No, I actually
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  Speaker 4: think we were great roommates. I think the truth is
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  Speaker 4: you shouldn't live with people you work with, particularly in
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  Speaker 4: any sort of power dynamic, which like it's kind of
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  Speaker 4: miraculous that we love each other as much as we
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  Speaker 4: do having lived together, But like always at the tail
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  Speaker 4: end of the show, there was like there was always
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  Speaker 4: a little bit of a rupture, like okay, space now
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  Speaker 4: it's and and and you know, look it it. I've
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  Speaker 4: lived with assistance, I've lived with other crew members and
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  Speaker 4: cast and like you kind of get used to it
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  Speaker 4: on movie sets. And yet, you know, I think the
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  Speaker 4: the older I get the less of It's more something
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  Speaker 4: you do when you're younger, and it's like everybody's you know,
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  Speaker 4: totally understand socializing and boundaries stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It helps you understand boundaries. And I think, like assistant
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  Speaker 1: who I talk to have been in a similar situation.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, when I filmed with Jen, there was one
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  Speaker 1: where she was living in We've definitely lived in the
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  Speaker 1: same house before I was in She was in the
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  Speaker 1: main house. I was in the back house. That house
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  Speaker 1: was haunted. But you know, I've I've been through that too,
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  Speaker 1: and I totally understand.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, well, and I would say the first the
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  Speaker 3: first time that we lived together was like a month
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  Speaker 3: or two after I first started working with Alex.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so it was a little bit of a.
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  Speaker 3: Like a crash course and getting to know all everything, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: which I'm actually really thankful for.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it brings you closer together, you bond, you
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  Speaker 1: learn all things Alex.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's and funny enough, the exact same thing happened
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  Speaker 4: with my last assistant. I hired her and we got
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  Speaker 4: I got hired on a movie immediately, so we literally
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  Speaker 4: did not know each other, and then we're living in
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  Speaker 4: a house together in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just we're in it.
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  Speaker 2: We're here, yep.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, look, I think if and she was with
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  Speaker 4: me for six years, so you're either yeah, you'll you'll
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  Speaker 4: find out real fast if it's if it's going to work,
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  Speaker 4: or you gotta find something else totally.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well six years and three years going on, who
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  Speaker 1: knows but signs you're a pretty good boss. That's amazing,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Well's you have no idea?
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  Speaker 1: Then, all the candidates that come through our inbox, I
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  Speaker 1: always ask them, who's your dream boss? Do you know
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  Speaker 1: how many kids say, alex x it's crazy. I'm not kidding, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Not just say believe that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure I'm hyping her up around town and the
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  Speaker 3: story spread.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm truly so many people want Carly's job.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, Well, I.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's a test you as a boss. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: really lovely.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think it's funny because the truth is, and
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  Speaker 4: there's probably a handful of people that can attest to this, is,
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  Speaker 4: at one point, or at various different points, I wasn't
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  Speaker 4: a very good boss. And when that was reflected back
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  Speaker 4: to me, either in the departures of people leaving or
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  Speaker 4: direct conversations with them, it really felt bad and weighed
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  Speaker 4: on me heavily. And so I think at a certain
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  Speaker 4: point there was I made a really conscious effort to
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  Speaker 4: invest my own energy into what managing other people was
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  Speaker 4: as opposed to when I was starting out as a producer,
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  Speaker 4: all I was really interested in was learning how to produce.
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  Speaker 4: And so unfortunately, you know, the people that worked with me,
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  Speaker 4: I think did not get the benefit of what frankly,
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  Speaker 4: my being a bad boss for them taught me. For
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  Speaker 4: Carly and mary Ella, and I think it's hard there.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think there's there's one great way of doing it.
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  Speaker 4: It people change and the dynamics change, and yeah, to
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  Speaker 4: give yourself grace and give each other grace, and like
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  Speaker 4: it's just like any relationship, Like the communication has to
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  Speaker 4: be honest and open and direct, and you also have
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  Speaker 4: to accept that, like people change and expectations change, and
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  Speaker 4: that's okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is really hard to be doing all the
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  Speaker 1: things that you're doing, dealing with cast and crew and
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  Speaker 1: a film set, and then also checking in with a team.
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  Speaker 1: So I completely understand how you're not supposed to get
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  Speaker 1: that all right and in the beginning when you're figuring
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  Speaker 1: it out.
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  Speaker 4: So it's also why I've always been what's why I
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  Speaker 4: don't have much of a team aside from you know,
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  Speaker 4: Carly and my last assistant who became my executive Mariella
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  Speaker 4: overlapped for about a year or two because we had
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  Speaker 4: so many movies going overlapping that I really needed the
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  Speaker 4: support and needed mary Ella to be on set when
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't be on set, and just some other things. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but otherwise, yeah, I'd rather focus on getting movies made
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  Speaker 4: and building the relationships that I have than managing a
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  Speaker 4: team of right now.
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  Speaker 2: But that's a choice.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I completely relate.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is the first time I've always been
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  Speaker 1: the assistant, this is my first time being a boss,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, I love my team so much. I'm very grateful.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm always like, if you guys are every unhappy,
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  Speaker 1: tell me, yeah, you know, please because if I lose you,
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  Speaker 1: I will die as well.
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  Speaker 4: And it's and and Carly can speak to this because
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  Speaker 4: we've had those moments, but you can say that as
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  Speaker 4: a boss. And I think it's still hard for the
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  Speaker 4: people that work for you to be open and honest.
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  Speaker 4: And it's not that's it's also for for the boss.
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  Speaker 4: It's learning that's not entirely necessarily a reflection of you.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, maybe it is, maybe you don't create a
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  Speaker 4: safe space, but I also just think nobody teaches boss
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  Speaker 4: worker relationships. It's all kind of a crash course when
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  Speaker 4: you get into any industry and it's it's not it's
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  Speaker 4: not the the perodynamic makes it hard to navigate.
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  Speaker 1: And our industry moved so quickly, so it's hard to
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  Speaker 1: sort of take the time to check in with everyone
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  Speaker 1: on a daily basis, Hey are you happy? What are
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  Speaker 1: you working on? How can I be? You know, I
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  Speaker 1: always ask for feedback because I'm so not cautious of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, how they're feeling day to day, which which
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's not because I don't care, it's because
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  Speaker 1: I get pulled in different directions, and you get pulled
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  Speaker 1: into one hundred more directions than me, and people call
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  Speaker 1: you and then the day gets away from you direct.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think it's also it's such a unique
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  Speaker 3: industry and this kind of dynamic isn't that common. So
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  Speaker 3: people who work in corporate or whatever, like there's departments
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  Speaker 3: and structures and nobody's going out of state to live
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  Speaker 3: with their boss, so there's not really like, yeah, there
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  Speaker 3: are no rules, so each pairing kind of has to
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  Speaker 3: navigate it themselves and you learn from it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so how are you guys navigating the assistant boss
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  Speaker 1: relationship and that dynamic. What is your you know, tell
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  Speaker 1: me everything.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like you should start with that. I'm like
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  Speaker 4: a little more oblivious to it.
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think at this point in time, we've
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  Speaker 3: really figured out a dynamic that works for us, and
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  Speaker 3: we have incredibly open communication, like very very candid, and
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  Speaker 3: I trust Alex. I mean, it's just it's we've we've
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  Speaker 3: reached a place where I feel really comfortable in my
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  Speaker 3: job and I think Alex can rely on me, and
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  Speaker 3: we we don't like know what's next all the time,
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  Speaker 3: like truly, every week is very very, very different. So
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm rolling with the punches and I I
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  Speaker 3: just try and support Alex as best I can.
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  Speaker 4: She's very good at supporting me, and I think she is,
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  Speaker 4: she really really is, and she's right every you know,
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  Speaker 4: this week, we think we know what's happening in three months,
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  Speaker 4: and I could get a call next week that totally
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  Speaker 4: up ends.
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  Speaker 2: So there is just like.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of taking what comes and having a good
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  Speaker 4: attitude about it. And I also think for me, over
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  Speaker 4: the past three years, I've learned, I've learned how my
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  Speaker 4: behavior or how how different ways that I interact with
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  Speaker 4: Carly provoke and promote sort of different reactions and and
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  Speaker 4: different you know, desire styles of working, like there are
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  Speaker 4: certain I know what her triggers are.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 4: I know the way to communicate with her that's motivating
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  Speaker 4: as opposed to demoral, Like there really have community, especially
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  Speaker 4: because we've lived together, but there's we've both I think,
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  Speaker 4: been able to articulate to each other like hey, you
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  Speaker 4: know that I don't I don't you know I don't
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  Speaker 4: respond when you say the when you say things in
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  Speaker 4: this way, and having the humility self awareness I think
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  Speaker 4: on both ends to be like, oh, right, I should
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  Speaker 4: I should alter that, I should should change that so
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  Speaker 4: this is easier for you, So you're feeling better because ultimately,
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  Speaker 4: in any relationship, especially in a in a work dynamic,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you want everyone to a degree, you know,
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  Speaker 4: pending that you can coexist with whatever that compromises, but
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  Speaker 4: to have a set of you know, circumstances around them
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  Speaker 4: that promote their ability to do their best work.
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  Speaker 1: Signs of a good boss. I mean a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people would not take the time to go through all
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  Speaker 1: of that with their assistant and they and they do,
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  Speaker 1: they don't you know, unfortunately, But I look at it
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  Speaker 1: like you guys are dating. It's like it's like a
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  Speaker 1: long term relationship that you both want to invest in,
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  Speaker 1: and it all. It's so funny when when I was younger,
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  Speaker 1: people be like, oh, communication, communication, then it literally boils
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  Speaker 1: down to that at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 2: I think one is the big well.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's something that we actually partially do really
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  Speaker 4: good in this business and then on the other hand
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  Speaker 4: do really badly.
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  Speaker 2: Is we do a really good job of.
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  Speaker 4: Valuing creative and artistic talent and really propping it up
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  Speaker 4: and supporting it. But we seem to believe collectively that
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  Speaker 4: the talent and the sort of human capital that comes
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  Speaker 4: more in like the back office, behind the scenes admin world,
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  Speaker 4: that those people are really disposable and there will always
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  Speaker 4: be another one to take their job. I mean that's
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  Speaker 4: something when I was coming up that everybody said like,
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  Speaker 4: if you don't want to do this job, I'll find
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  Speaker 4: somebody else, And the truth is like, yes, you can.
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  Speaker 4: And yet I've always really deeply believed, since I was
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  Speaker 4: an assistant, I would see that and be like, I
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  Speaker 4: just don't understand why you wouldn't pay someone more, who
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  Speaker 4: knows you so well, who's motivated to help you to
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  Speaker 4: all of these things? I just I never understood why
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  Speaker 4: people were so disposable, especially when the business or the
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  Speaker 4: boss invest time into someone. Why you wouldn't keep paying
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  Speaker 4: them more, Why you wouldn't want them to grow, because
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  Speaker 4: ultimately that should be helping your business. It's just sort
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  Speaker 4: of a short sighted I don't want to pay attention
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  Speaker 4: to my assistant. I don't have time for it. And
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  Speaker 4: to me, you're spending a certain amount of time having
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  Speaker 4: to manage them anyway. So if you put in that
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  Speaker 4: extra twenty percent, you likely can get an outsized amount
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  Speaker 4: of effort and productivity back. Then again, your ego is
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  Speaker 4: frankly just getting in the way of so for me,
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  Speaker 4: just on like a pure managerial business outside of the
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  Speaker 4: industry sense. I think that's something that the entertainment industry
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  Speaker 4: has been getting wrong for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Well said, I tell all my clients, the best thing
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  Speaker 1: you can do is invest in the right staff. And
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  Speaker 1: no one wants to retrain their assistant or have this
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  Speaker 1: person who's in their home around their family meeting their people.
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  Speaker 1: No one wants to start from scratch after someone's been
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  Speaker 1: in that role for ex amount of months, because what
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  Speaker 1: comes with it is the trust, the discretion, the intimacy,
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  Speaker 1: and to have a revolving door around your personal assistant
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  Speaker 1: or executive assistant or whoever's supporting you is a crazy
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  Speaker 1: thought to me and a scary thought to me totally.
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  Speaker 1: So how do you guys, you know, how do you
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  Speaker 1: see this relationship going? It's been three years? Like, what's
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  Speaker 1: what's on deck for you two? And how are you
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  Speaker 1: supporting each other's growth? And yeah, can you speak to.
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  Speaker 5: That a little bit?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it is a good gruestion because your your
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  Speaker 1: career is continuing to blow up. I mean, can we
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  Speaker 1: talk about that for a second too? Rather not Well,
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  Speaker 1: we'll get there. But since I've met you, you're just
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  Speaker 1: you know, you're going up and you're going up with her,
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  Speaker 1: So I want to I'm curious about what that looks like.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we have we have a lot of stuff that's
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  Speaker 4: coming actually that sadly I can't.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about yet totally.
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  Speaker 4: But but there's a bunch of new stuff that's been
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  Speaker 4: just stating for honestly the past like twelve to eighteen months,
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  Speaker 4: some really exciting things that will announce in the next
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  Speaker 4: year in addition to the these are these are things
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  Speaker 4: that are bigger than individual projects. And so Carly's been,
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  Speaker 4: you know, really at the ground level of all of that,
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  Speaker 4: which has been exciting. And yet also like there have
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  Speaker 4: been times in the last twelve months where it felt
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  Speaker 4: like some of those things might go away or I
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  Speaker 4: didn't want to do them anymore, and I think I'll
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  Speaker 4: let her speak to it. But at each of those
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  Speaker 4: inflection points, I think Carly has had to consider, you know,
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  Speaker 4: if I am, if Alex is going to be someone
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  Speaker 4: who is you know, and this is not a bad thing,
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  Speaker 4: but just continuing to go from kind of movie to movie,
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  Speaker 4: I've done that, like we know what that and I
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  Speaker 4: could feel I could feel a little bit of stagnation
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  Speaker 4: in both in myself but also in Carly, which I think,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'm a big believer in growth in every
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  Speaker 4: aspect of my life. I want to be challenged. I'm
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  Speaker 4: insatiably curious all of these things. So the idea of
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  Speaker 4: building some of these new things that we're now doing
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  Speaker 4: has been really rewarding and exciting and challenging for me.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's where Carly and I are very similar.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that's given her, you know, a lot
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  Speaker 4: of new stuff and different stuff to be working on
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  Speaker 4: and thinking about. But exactly what it will mean for growth,
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  Speaker 4: It could mean wildly different things. Yeah, and we'll discover
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  Speaker 4: that in the next twelve months.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, That's what I was going to say, is there's
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  Speaker 3: no clear path for like, oh, you'll be promoted to
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  Speaker 3: this and then this, Like that's just not That's not
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  Speaker 3: how the sausage is made in at Sax Picture Company.
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  Speaker 3: So I mean, what I will say is since I've
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  Speaker 3: been with alex I, and I've had many assistant jobs
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: in the industry before this, I have learned so much
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: from her that I never learned before for and it's
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: a lot about what she was referring to, there's like
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: a closed door like, oh, you're just my assistant. You
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: don't get to hear these conversations. I don't care about
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: your opinion. I don't I don't need you in that way.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: So it's it's almost like since being with alex I've
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: sort of started my education all over again, and I've
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: been learning more on each project every year, Like we've
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: we've done a lot of various things, and there's, like
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: she was saying, there's a lot that's coming up that's
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: very exciting. And there are some projects that I honestly
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: have I don't even you know, I'm just administrative support.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: And then there's other projects where you know there are
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: there I have a significant role.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: So it's really time will tell.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: I think I have grown so much with her, Like,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: not in the traditional sense, but I've grown as a
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: person and as a somebody who's interested in producing and
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: working in this industry. I think there's just you know,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: it's our our future and our growth potential is just
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: kind of it's like TVD, it's just you know, it's
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: it's sort of hard to say. That was not a
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: great way to to summarize it.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Like, I also think, I mean, some of the worth
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: is in the traditional sense. I mean Carly I trust
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: her implicitly when it comes to reading, like she reads
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: most stuff that comes in to the company and tells
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: me what I need to pay attention to and not.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: And I think I learned very early on that her
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: her just like general industry instincts, were very similar to
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: mine and largely spot on, so I could trust that
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: she knew how to prioritize certain things in the schedule
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: and how to how to speak to the important people
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: and talent that I was working with, and they like,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: you know, my favorite thing is when I hear from
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: the people I'm working with how much they love Carly,
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: Like that's.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: That's awesome, my favorite.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: It's the best, it's the best compliment, honestly. Yeah, and
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: and that I hear a lot of that now. So
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: it's and and and what Carly's talking about in terms
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: of like, yeah, sometimes it's it's admin and support, Like
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: she's great with an Excel document, but also like her,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: she's also incredible building like a visual deck, and like
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: those skills have really progressed in the past few years
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: to the point where like she helps a lot of
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: my filmmakers build their decks for for our movies, like
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: but then also is looking at notes for scripts and
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: and taking notes on creative call Like it's it's such
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: a wide variety of stuff, which I also think there's
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: a lot of assistance. And this is part of what
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: we talked about before she came to work for me,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: And what I talked to you about was like I
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: was looking for someone who wanted to do all of
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: that stuff eventually, but also know how to post on
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: social media for me and take care of the dogs
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: and and you know, communicate with people working on stuff
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: at my house.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: Like it is.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: She is so all encompassing, and I think I think
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: that would have been daunting to a lot of people.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: But I think Carly correct me if I'm wrong. It's
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: doing all different things and frankly getting like there are
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: certain things on her daily on a daily checklist that
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: are like easy, like okay, I can check that off,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: and like that's a nice dopamine hit. And then like
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: here's like the longer, more creative project that I have
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: to do. And then also I think just keeps it interesting,
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: which is why I like to do all the stuff
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: I do, because if I was only doing development notes
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: all day every day, I would not do this anymore.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so well, yeah, one thing that I'll say about
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: my job that is for other people who like, oh,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: it's the dream job, which like it is to me.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: But I don't have an ego, and I don't think
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: you can have an ego because there are people who
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: would not want to facilitate with a gardener's or like
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: take a dog to the vet, But I I don't
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: take that as like a, Oh, it's not like a
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: belittling task to me. It's like, this can't get Don
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Alex in order for like this meeting to happen or
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Alex to be on this call.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: So I think it's an ego thing too.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Let's speak to that a little bit more, because I
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: think what you just said time will tell TBD my growth.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I'm just happy you're happy to be here, and you
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: love your boss and you're doing an amazing job. There
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: are so many kids who apply to Clyde and they
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: want to be producers right off the bat, and if
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I try to, I have an actress in New York
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: who's looking for someone right now, and it does require
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: driving her to and from set, doing some personal things
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: around the house, helping with her dog. There's so many
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: candidates who we've put up for it who get into
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: the interview and they go, I don't really want to
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: do the personal stuff, and they think that they just
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: can jump to the next thing. But they're twenty four
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: or twenty five, and I really wish people understood the
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: bigger picture like you do the full picture of Okay,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: if I do the PA stuff and I learn Alex,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: all things Alex all things encompassing with this role, the coffee,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: the house stuff, the dogs, And I know her so
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: well and I can anticipate her needs because they know
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: her so well, and then earn her trust and really
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: be an excellent PA. Then you can move on to
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: do the other stuff. But that is sort of the
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: right of passage. In not even the right of passage,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: but it's I think it's required in order to have
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: no ego. You know, so many people think it can
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: be just oh, I'm going to graduate and demand a
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: hundred K and come into.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: This job, but like they're like too good for those tasks.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so mean, respectfully, wake the fuck up, Like the
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: industry is not producing as much movies as like we're shrinking. Yeah,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: so the idea that anyone can employ you to like
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: read scripts all day, do notes, like, no one's making
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: that many movies, So that kind of work. Again, short
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: of going to work at a massive production company that's
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: making multiple movies a year and servicing a huge like
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: that's a different then you're looking for the wrong job.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: But you're exactly right. The way to build trust is
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: actually by doing a great job on the stuff that
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: is most important to these people and that's usually the
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: personal stuff, truthfully, and like then they'll start trusting you
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: with everything else. But I will say, like for people
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: that for young kids that want to be producers, like
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: god bless like it is brutal. Yeah, it's brutal. For me.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: I've made almost twenty five movies in the last ten years.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: It's not getting easier. Like, it's not getting easier. It's scary,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Like the idea that you're going to get something overnight
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: get out of here, like it's only getting harder and
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: by the way, and will keep the industry will keep shrinking.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's going anywhere for the long term.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: But they're the idea of like the traditional industry and
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: that we're going to have so many producers and like
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: I think we are not far off from the executive model,
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: the representation model. A lot of things really fundamentally changing
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: within this industry. And the only thing that's going to
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: keep you here in general is your desire to work
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: your ass off. Yeah, so if you don't have that,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: go do something else.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Well said, I mean, amen, I feel the exact same way.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: And I think that for someone who's not coming up
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: in a male a personal assistant job is truly the
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: best way to get there, and some people just don't
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: believe it. But I think we can all agree that
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: it is the best training camp, and it just really
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: teaches you how to do everything, but teaches you how
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: to work hard and not to have an ESO.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, by the way, I didn't want to do it either,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Like I was that like little jerk who like was like,
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: I will not work it an agency and so but
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: I got very lucky that I got an unpaid internship
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: at a prolific production company and then became the principal's assistant.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Because I was the intern that got there at seven
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: am and I didn't leave until eight o'clock at night,
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: and I did two scripts of coverage overnight and didn't
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: go to bed until two in the morning. I'm like,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: I was killing myself, and that's why I ended up
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: getting a paying job. That's that's the reason. Sure, I'm smart,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I'm not devaluing myself and like my natural abilities, but
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: I worked harder than everybody else, and the idea that
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: that isn't as valued. I mean when people ask me
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: whether it you know, formerly when I was doing these
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: TikTok videos or whatnot, of.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Like well, like how do you do everything you do?
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: You know? And the truth is for most of the
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: last ten years, really, I would say probably eight of
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: the last ten years, like I didn't have a life.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Is the is the real, honest truth. And so I
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: think people when they're coming up, especially as the industry
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: is getting harder, people need to really assess, like what
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: they're willing to sacrifice to do this, because it does
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: to succeed. Again, unless you are like savant level talented writer, director,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: actress like Jen you know, it's like you are just
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: God's gift.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: You have to work really hard.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: And even by the way, read like Will Smith's book,
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: there's so many people that talk about this of like
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: that they just work outwork to everybody else.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Early on, before you got this internship, did you know
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: that you wanted to work really hard and go into entertainment.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: What was the motivating factor for you or when did
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: you know that this is something you were willing to
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: sacrifice some of your life for hard work was.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: Not an option grow it was an optional growing up,
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: So I worked in terms of like making money from
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: a very young age, and my schoolwork had to be
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: prioritized really strictly from a very young age. So that's
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: my work ethic really comes from my parents, is the truth.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: And so I wasn't daunted by it.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: I got comfortable with it in some ways, like it
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: was my safety and safe place because it was something
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: that you could do and then get positive reinforcement for
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: and so I was very lucky in that sense. And
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: then when I went to school, I had an idea.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: I didn't want to go to film school because I
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: wasn't sort of interested in the technical side, and in
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: the event that it didn't work out, I wanted to
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: make sure that I could make a living for myself.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: So I went to a liberal arts school in North
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Carolina called Wake Forest, and I was a history major,
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: but I knew I wanted to do this, and really,
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: you know, it was a series of learning and kind
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: of teaching myself, reading the trades, taking film courses, film
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: history courses, and then I just decided that I would
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: move to la That was it. There was no there
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: was legitimately no plan. I like saved money after I
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: graduated from college. I did like my summer job, which
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: was like as a swim teacher and a beach director,
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: put cash in a bank account and then moved.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Wow, and you knew LA was the answer?
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I did.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: I just I knew that as much as I would
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: have loved to stay in New York at the time,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: there was gonna be way more opportunity in LA.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: And I wanted.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: I wanted to get to where I was going as
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: soon as possible, Like I was ready to do the
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: work then so that maybe I could take up the
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: foot off the gas ten years later.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, And did you have any contacts in the
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: entertainment industry or did you kind of go into it blind?
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Pack your things moved to LA.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: What was that like?
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: I didn't really. I mean, there were you know, a
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: couple of people, you know, alumni from Wake, although there's
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: not many, so I did, you know, I got the coffees,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: I did the you know, my dad sold insurance to
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: you know, a VP at Spyglass, so I.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Went and met him.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Funny enough, one of my best friends now was his
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: assistant and set that first coffee. But no, but my
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: the internship I got was off of a cold resume
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: and cover letter, off the UTA job list that I said.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, so the UT job list we post on that. Yeah,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: that's been a thing for like.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was, it was certainly a thing sixteen years.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So you know, I sort of heard about it,
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: I don't you know, remember how in one of the
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: trades or in hearing somebody speak, and I would just
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: google it every week and somebody would post it on
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: some blog and then there were there were emails. And
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: so I applied to two internships and one of them
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: responded wow, and that was it, and that was it.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, So that was the unpaid internship.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: That was the unpaid internship.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: I feel like.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: There's no unpaid internships these days.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: No, they had gotten it was funny the lawsuits started,
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: yeah now then, but but I'm so grateful that I
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: had that, because otherwise I wouldn't have had a foot
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: in the door.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: So, you know, I had.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Three summers of an unpaid internship in fashion, and it
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: humbled me. I I was making zero dollars somehow, living
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: in New York City, going, you know, trying to keep
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: up and literally just working these fashion internships that I
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: thought I wanted to do fish at the time, and
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I was just happy to be there though. I remember
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: just being happy to be there and being really grateful.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: And you know, anyways, now people are all getting paid,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: so it's different.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, god, bless would have been would have been nice?
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: No, I s I would like, you know, find like
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: odd jobs, babysitting jobs, you know, get some money here
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: or there. But you know, I had saved enough to
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: like last me three four months, and literally as I ran,
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: I was like out of money, the paid job kicked
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: in and so.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah I survived.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: And then what was so what was the pay job
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: after the intern?
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: It was it was as Mark Gordon's assistant, So I
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: basically I was an unpaid intern there kind of became
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: his unpaid third assistant between September October and November December
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: of two thousand and nine, and then before Christmas I
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: interviewed and met and when I got back in January,
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: I was, you know, one of his new assistants.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: And that was it.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Wow. And then going from his desk, how long were
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you on his desk? And then when you realize you
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: wanted to be this big boss producer.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Oh well that took several years.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: No, I mean I knew that's what I wanted to do,
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: but he was a big studio producer and so learning
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: from him or learning how he was producing. I mean,
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: it was so wildly educational on like a million different levels.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: And I got to see a really sort of like
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: bird's eye view, you know, of the industry, both in
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: film and television, and I date.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: And yeah it.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: I left after about a year, and I was frustrated
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: watching him deal with the film studio system, which I
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: think in some ways that was That was one of
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: the big inflection points of the last twenty years, was realizing,
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: oh these places are you know, we had were already
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: into pre branded content and IP and all of it,
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: but like it was just gonna be getting worse and
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: worse and worse. And it was clear that because of
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: what our slate was like, he wasn't going to make
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: a movie for a while. And even though at the
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: time I actually wanted to do TV more than film,
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: I knew that if I ever wanted to do film,
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: I had to do film first, because I think in
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: the history of entertainment, I don't think there's been there
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: are no non writing EPs from television that have reverse
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: jumped into film and made a prolific career out of it.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: Like maybe a title here too, but by and large,
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: no one's done that, and so I wanted to do
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: film first, even though it actually wasn't my preference, And
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: so I wanted to learn the indie finance side because
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: Paranormal Activity had just come out, and I realized that
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: a lot of stuff was getting made, and frankly, the
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: movies that I liked were more on the indie side,
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: and I thought maybe I would be good at it
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: because I had, you know, kind of business smarts and
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: a little bit of a finance brain. And I went
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: to work for this producer named Brian Kavanaugh Jones right
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: after he had left CAAA where he had been a
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: finance agent. He had been Jason Blum's agent and sold
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Paranormal Activity, and I went and worked for him. He
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: was very young at the time, and funny enough, that
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: was part of where I learned. And by the way,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: Mark was like this too. I got very lucky with
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: both of these bosses that they treated their assistance like
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: confidants and advised, which was so wild because I was
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: twenty one, twenty two, twenty three year old baby child.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: But I really got let in at both places to
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: everything that was happening and got to talk and strategize,
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: you know, all day long, and that that is largely
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: why I think I was able to jump ahead as
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: fast as I did. And Brian was really busy. We
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: were making a lot of movies, so he promoted me.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: I became a CE, which I hated. I was really
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: I thought, boring, pointless job. I mean it's not pointless.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: I understand why it exists on a lot of levels,
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: but for me, I was like, not for you, I
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: will not survive this.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: And why was that? What about the role did you
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: just not enjoy? And how soon after being the assistant
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: did you jump? Make that jump?
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he promoted me after about six to nine months.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I think what I didn't like.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: About it was that I knew, after only having really
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: been in the industry for about eighteen months, my growth
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: was so exponential because these places I was working for,
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: in these bosses I was working for, were letting me
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: in so much and were you know, asking me questions
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: and vice versa. And when I became a CE, I
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: felt a real slow down that like all I was
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: doing was reading not great material, because that's what you
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: get when you're a young executive. Sometimes you can find
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: a diamond in the rough I was doing notes, and
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: so it just became very clear to me that like
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't actually quickly learn how to produce a movie
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: as a CE, I would exist in a support position
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: and maybe over five, six, seven years, but like I
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: would die of boredom during that time. Like it just
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: wouldn't have been stimulate enough for me. I needed to
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: learn more than setting up production offices and doing script
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: notes and taking generals with writers that you know, respectfully
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: were talented, but were at the same level as me.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: So I wasn't super excited about I knew they needed
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: a lot of development and that wasn't as inspiring, frankly,
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: and so I wanted to maximize that early time in
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: my career to be getting as far ahead as possible,
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: as fast as possible. And so, long story short, he
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: got a call, Brian got a call from ICM Partners
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: that they wanted to hire a young agent in the
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: finance group that didn't come from agencies. And he called
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: me into his office after he got off this phone
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: call and said, look, if you want to learn how
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: to do what I do, you have to go be
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: an agent. And I was like, I don't want to
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: be an agent. Why are you trying to get rid
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: of me? I don't want to go to ICM. And
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: after about thirty minutes of being a brat, I was like, oh, yeah,
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: this is what I Yep, that's really smart. That's what
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: I should do, Like I'll learn how to raise money,
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: which was the real reason he was getting so many
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: movies made.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I will learn how to sell movies.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: I will I will understand where the framework of an
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: agency works, because I also it was too much of
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: a brat to do that from the beginning. Like and
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: so we coincidentally had a meeting at ICM the very
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: next day, which in my current life I now don't
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: really believe in coincidences that there was a reason for that.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: And the head of the department joined that meeting, and
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: I loved her. I thought she was so cool and
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: so smart, and I hadn't worked for a woman yet,
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: and so I was like, that would be great. And
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: then I went and sat with her after and I
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: was basically like, look, I don't I don't. I've watched
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: Brian do this, so I have some idea of what
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: the language is, but like, I don't really know how
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: to I would be lying if I said, I know
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: how to do this, and yet I am definitely too
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: stubborn to fail, so like, I will figure it out.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: And she offered me the job in the room and
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: I left. I went downstairs and Brian was waiting for
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: me to drive me back to the office and I said, okay, great,
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna start in two weeks and he was like what.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I got I got the job.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Like your idea, buddy, Yeah yeah.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: And that was it.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: And so then I was a finance agent for four years,
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: which changed everything. And for people who want to be
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: young producers, I highly advise going and working in the
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: finance groups at the agencies.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like most people wouldn't even think of that.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true, most people don't have.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: But I will say I'm glad I did it after
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: I had already learned the studio side, because I think
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: it's really it is hard to do what I have
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: been able to do if you weren't socialized to the
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: studio side and like the etiquette and like the kind
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: of sometimes crazy decorum of what this business is and
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: the power dynamic because the indie side is so renegade
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: and when you eventually want to tap back into studio
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: distribution or making studio movies. Yep, you better know what
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: the etiquette needs to be for that, because it's a
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: whole it's really a whole different thing.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: And at the time, you had in your head, Okay,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I eventually want to produce movies. Yeah, but you went
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: from point A to point B knowing that you would
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: have to put in a couple more years before.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: You even got there.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: So you also saw the bigger picture and we're in
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: a rush to get there. You knew you had to
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: do a couple more things or learn a couple more things, yea,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: and test out a different side of the business before
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: you eventually became the producer you are today.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, when I started, And again, I think everyone's path
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: is different, and there are so many people I know
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: that have made that started out making really small films
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: or short films, who are producers that I deeply admire today,
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: who are my generation that I didn't want to do
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: that I didn't for whatever I was, I was preferential
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: to learning the business side and the industry side first.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: And I because I knew I had good creative instincts,
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: and you know, my clients continued to tell me that,
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: and I knew that working with Brian and Mark, and
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: so that was just the path that I chose. But
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: a lot of people do make sure it's on the
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: weekend or go and just like make really tiny indie
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: films that are great, and then after five plus years
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: of doing that, they finally have one that breaks through
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: and then that's what changed.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: So like, there is no one path.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: You know, the path that I took suited me, worked
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: really well for me, but somebody else might not have
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: the stomach for that. Yeah, And I don't mean that,
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: And I just mean like because they just don't like,
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: you know, going to film festivals and trying to sell
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: movies and raise money for a bajillion movies every year.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Right, And if you look at people who are just
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: starting off in their career and who have the dream
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: of being a producer, Yeah, what is your recommendation based
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: on everything you just shared? And I know that there's
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: not one correct path, but in your mind, what advice
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: would you give someone who wants to grow up and be.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Alex Ex Don't do it.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: She's told me that several times.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: I would not do it. Today, I really wouldn't. Really, no,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I really wouldn't.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but I also feel like I have to
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: be honest. Come, here's what I will say if you
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: literally cannot. And by the way, people said this to
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: me too, So the advice hasn't totally changed, but I
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: do believe it has objectively gotten harder. And the smartest
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: people that I know in this business that I look
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: up to echo the same things back to me. So
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: I don't think I'm talking out of school on this.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: But if there is absolutely nothing else you can see
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: yourself doing, and you have no problem working so incredibly
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: hard for not a lot of money for at least
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: ten years, come on, let's do this thing. Then you'll
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: be fine. You'll but like you have to know in
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: your bones that like you will suffer and struggle and
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: figure it out and it is what you want. And
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: if that's the case, go work at an agency. If
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: you can get in at a big production company, do it.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: That's what I did.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: Although I will say, and the assistance that kind of
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: like raised me said this to me, which I really appreciated.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: You want to work for the principle at a company
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: as an assistant. So like, if you can get into
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: a big production company or an agency, but at the
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: production company you're.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Like the SVP's assistant. Go to the agency because.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: You want to work for somebody at a smaller company
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: that actually has the ability to promote you. Otherwise you're
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: kind of just wasting time. And again, if that's the
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: only job you can get, take it. Like beggars can't
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: be choosers, so don't mistake that advice.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: But if you have the.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Chance between working at one of the major agencies or
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: working for an executive at a production company, I'd go
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: agency all day long. You're just gonna meet so many
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: more people. Yep, you're gonna learn so much more. It
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: will not be fun, it will be scary, but like
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: get used to that feeling now because like more of
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: that is coming. So yeah, I think I'm an agency proponent.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: And like I said, I got lucky because my first
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: job out of college was as a massive producer's assistant
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: who had a big company with other assistants. And like
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: I didn't work it an agency, but I I did
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: drinks every single night as an assistant. Like I double
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: booked drinks to sure that I and that that was
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: not a choice the girls that hired me. It was
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: like a prerequisite of me taking the job was that
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: I had to do that. And some of those people
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: I'm still friends with. Most of them have like the
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: business wow, so like part of it will be a waste,
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: but you have to do it. So that's the thing
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: is like this industry requires an immense amount of sacrifice,
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: but you can find proved like you can figure it out.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: You can get there, and you can get there relatively quickly.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: But what you put in is what you will get back.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, I appreciate you being blunt on the subject,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people do need to
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: hear that. And I'm curious, like coming up in the business,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: obviously there was a lot of challenges, but what are
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: the biggest challenges that you think exists now with the
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: industry changing? And like what are you dealing with in
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: present day or what makes you want to stay in
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: it knowing all of this or knowing the advice you.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Just I'm not super qualified to do anything else at
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: the moment.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: I want to say in it because I love it,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: but that doesn't mean that won't change, is the truth.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: And I think when you remove the pressure that like,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: you have to do this or people will think less
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: of you if you stop doing it. It strangely makes
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: the work more fun again, and so I give myself
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: a lot of grace that, like, I don't have to
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: do this forever, and I might not, or I may
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: until I'm eighty five, Like I don't know. I sort
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: of am letting myself decide on a on a day
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: to day and a week to week based on, frankly,
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: the amount of joy it's bringing me and the amount
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: of challenges it's presenting and providing, because that is what
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: I want to get out of any work that I do.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: What was this?
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: What was the other question? It was like a two parter.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I guess, just the challenges and why the changes of
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: right now? Yeah, challenges.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: I think it's really simple. I mean a lot of
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: you can say the same thing a lot of different ways.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: But the truth is we're making a lot less and
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: there are still too many of us here. We're it's
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: a fight to the death right now. It is survival.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of great producers.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of producers that aren't great that are
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: still working and getting paid to do it like, that's
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: you just keep doing.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: You just got to keep you just gotta keep going.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And Carly, what about you as as Alex's right hand, Like,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: what do you find the biggest challenge as someone who
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: wants to grow up and maybe a Carly or someone
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: who's looking to support someone like Alex, Like, what's challenging
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: about getting there? And how I don't know what's been
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: difficult for you with the industry changing.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: What I'll say is like, my my experience in the
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: industry has been so and like a lot of people
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: my age, like the the young younger millennials, my experience
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: in the industry has been there have been a lot
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: of unprecedented events. So when I got my job at Netflix,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Covid started a week later, so that that was an experience,
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: And then there were the writers strikes and that act.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Like there's just been so much change in the world
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: since I've started to find my place.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: So I've tried.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: To be as flexible as possible, and Alex kind of
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: is my north star in terms of like the industry landscape.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: So that's kind of part of why I was saying earlier,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: we don't really know what every week is going to
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: bring if it's going to be like, oh, they want
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Alex to do this movie in some European country, or
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: this movie is completely falling apart. It's like, I don't
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: even know what to expect next, but she doesn't either,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: and nobody does. So we're just I mean, I'm I'm
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: happy to be here right now and what we're working
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: on is so exciting. I think it's just kind of
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: we're in uncertain times in the industry. So yeah, I
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: don't really even have a clear answer, like I don't
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: I'm just you.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Don't have to. I was just I was just curious
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: because I talked to so many people. I'm you know,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I'm in the industry, but I'm also not, you know,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I work adjacent to it. A lot of my clients
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: are in the industry, but people always ask me, oh,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: my god, is in the entertainment industry like a shit
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: till right now? And I don't know what that means
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: because I'm not in it like you guys are. So
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I just I don't understand it the way that you do,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: and I'm not in it in a you know.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: So it's just harder.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's harder and there are more people that want
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: to do it than there are jobs for people to
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: do it. I think that's like the simplest way of
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: looking at it. And people are in and again, and
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: you back that into the fact that people are not
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: watching as much because they're on TikTok and they're on YouTube,
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: like our competition is in other movies anymore. Right, We've
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: just we've lost a lot of market share and we're
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: going to keep losing it unfortunately. Yeah.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: I think just the world has changed so much in
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: the last five years, seven years, with streaming and technology
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: and social media and COVID and movie it's just like
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: it's so ever changing. Yeah, and we're adapting as best
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: as we can.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's just like it's kind of
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: crazy because I I'm sure like you ladies, I love
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: going to the movies. I love a Friday night going
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: to the grove totally. I am not someone who's gonna
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: watch something on YouTube. I hate TikTok. I'm on the
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: talk because I have to be with the company, but
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't need another app to get addicted to.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: But everyone is doing it, and I don't know. I'm
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: obviously very grateful to not have been a middle school
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: girl with social media in this way and to have
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: no one can take away the you know, the experience
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: they had as a kid going to the movies or
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: falling in love with film as I'm sure it was
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: for the both of you. But it is such a
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: weird thing to think about. And you know, we don't
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: have kids yet, but what our kids are growing up,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: they're I'm scared of that. I want them to have
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: such a pure upbringing of getting excited to go have
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: a movie in popcorn too. So yeah, it's it's a
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: weird thought.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, look, I think it'll I think it'll it
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: will still exist, but you know, the world changes, yeah,
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: you know the way the way that our parents digested
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: and I hate this fucking word, but content, you know,
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: is different than how we are. And I'm sure they
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: were nostalgic for how they had it versus how we
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: have it, so, you know, so it's just and I
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: think the reticence to allow for change also seems to
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: be part of the problem right now.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, for example, the fact that.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: It ends with us was not a competitive bidding war
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: amidst multiple studios. Now Justin had the right, so you know,
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: but the fact that you know, and he wanted to
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: make it by himself and and he ended up having
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: a great meeting with Sony, and that's kind of how
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: it happened. But the fact that you know, at some
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: point between when that book exploded in twenty twenty and
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, when we actually started making it, that
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: there wasn't more of a frenzy for it, and then
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: there wasn't a frenzy for her other books until after
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: it ends with us. Like it's just that's that is
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: also part of why our industry we're slow to accept
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: and embrace the change sometimes.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Right, that's such a good point. Okay, So on a
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: brighter note, what are your favorite parts of the job
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: and what excites you with all the changes in the industry?
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: What makes you keep going? And I guess I'm just curious, like,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: is there has there been a favorite project? Can you
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: speak to that a little bit?
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I love the job. I love the
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: job of so many parts of the job. So that's
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: why I keep doing it because you know it, Look,
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: it depends on the day, it depends on the project.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: But like you know, whether it's like a great general
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: meeting with an actor or a director that just like
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: you know, kind of like lights me up. Or it's
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: being on set for something and having a great day
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: capturing like an insane magical moment on camera. So there's
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's so much stuff that is fun and exciting.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: And at the end of the day, like I love
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: movies and I love TV, and I can't believe I
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: get to do this first.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: So's that never stops.
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: It never, I never, I never cease to be amazed that.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: You know, some of my closest friends are the funniest
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: people on the planet like that. I don't know how
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: I got so lucky. I don't know why. So I
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: just am grateful for it. And and that's why you
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: keep doing it. To keep working with super talented people
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: inspire you and and help you help. Working with super
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: talented people makes me better creatively, and I see that
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: in myself. And and so that's exciting. In terms of
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: a favorite movie, I don't like to play the favorites,
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: I will say, and I feel like this is Ralphan.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: I'm sidestepping the question feeling yeah, I mean, it was
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: a very it does not it is not again, I
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: genuinely don't play favorites, and there's things I love about
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: so many different ones, but No More Feelings was a
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: really special experience. It was the first movie I shot
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: in New York, which I love doing, and and it
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: really was my first like big, big studio movie, and
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: it went so well. And my relationships with you and
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: Jen and Justine and Jean and John like all of
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: that was because it went so well. It was so
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: deeply validating to me professionally and in a way that
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: I almost couldn't fathom. And it really like that movie
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: and the relationships I built out of that movie gave
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: me such immense confidence for what was to come and
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: actually directly impacted what was to come, whether it was
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: by reference, phone calls or it just it really put
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: me in a whole different place. And so I would
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: say I would say that, but there's there's so many
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: that I've been really actually really really lucky that I
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: have loved making most of the movies that I've made.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: That's amazing to hear. Yeah, So Alex was just saying
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: that her favorite project was No Hurt.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: My non favorite favorite.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: I did not tell her to say that, but I
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: loved that movie too. It was the first comedy that
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Jen has actually ever done. It was I think my
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: third movie with her, and I had so much fun
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: on that set too. It was really special to be
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: filming in New York and out on Long Island where
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: I grew up, So that was just, you know, it
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: was a fun moment, but it was so Many people
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: are curious about working on set, and I'm not as
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: experienced as you are. I'm I was just the assistant.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: You obviously have a much bigger role on set. Do
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: you enjoy being on set? What is it like on set?
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: I love being on set. I love it because.
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: In some moments it can flare egos, but for the
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: most part, I think it actually does the opposite, because
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: it is one of a very few moments during the
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: long gestation of making a movie where a large number
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: of people are working towards the exact same goal on
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: any given day, and they all have to work in
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: tandem to accomplish what needs to be accomplished. So you
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: have to put the egos side. You have to you
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: have to work together or the day doesn't get done.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: And I really like the intensity of the teamwork that's
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: needed on a day to day. So that for me
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: is what makes it fun. But it's also look, if
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: a movie is well prepped and the team works really
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: well together, so it can be like really easy and enjoyable.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: And it's not that things don't come up because weather
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: and people get sick and someone gets hurt, like there's
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: so many things. Yeah, but then you know, if a
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: movie wasn't real prepped, or the cast and the crew
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: don't like each other, like, it can also go so
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: terribly awry and that's really hard, and that's a different
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: you know. But I also I love problem solving, so
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: for me, like I'm good in a crisis, and so
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: that works for me, I imagine for a lot bring
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: it on, horrifying. Yeah, I've also I've also done a
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: lot of movies at this point, and I've done a
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: couple of movies that were exceptionally hard. And so once
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: you do those, once you're kind of like put through
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: the ring or you're like, can't get much worse, like
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: bring it on, And yet.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: There's always something that seems to top the last.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I love, I absolutely love being on set,
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: and it's a whole different that's the thing. It's a
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: whole other different skill set that producers have to know
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: and you can only learn by doing, by being there.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: And Carly, you go to set with Alex every movie.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: This most recent one no is a teeny tiny movie.
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, I love being on set.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: It's fun. It's like, I mean, I've made friends on
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: all of the movies with the other assistants.
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: Or whatever crew.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: It's like a little family.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: But I love it cute. I love that the two
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: assistants I worked with on my first agen are two
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: good friends today. I got one a job actually with
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: a big musician client now, which is funny, and then
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: another just we're still friends. So I get you bond.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's long hours, it's weather conditions, you know,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: totally storms.
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it gets it gets.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Pretty uh, pretty wacky. But yeah, I understand enjoying the
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: wacky to an extent and the problem solving that comes.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: With that, and it keeps it keeps it interesting.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it keeps it interesting. There's definitely never a
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: boring Dan never boring.
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, actually sometimes it is boring, but yes,
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: for the most Yeah.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, so has there been anything crazy that's happened to
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: both of you? Either on set or while working together.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Is there a funny story that you guys can share.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: And donald story?
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: There is.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: There is one story that does take the cake, and
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: it happened in New York when we were in prep on.
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: We're in prep on.
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: It ends with us and we would commute every day
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: to the production office from Brooklyn to Jersey City and back.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: And one morning I wasn't feeling great and I didn't
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: really like I think it was food poisoning, but who knows.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: And we had like just started our drive. I think
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: we were going over the Williamsburg Bridge, and Alex looked
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: at me and was like, Junior, throw up. And I
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: hadn't said anything, but that's why, Like she was like,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: you're so quiet, and I was like, yeah, I just
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know, sorry, I just rolled down
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: the window. We had to make a couple stopped throughout
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: the journey through Manhattan, and then as we are about
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: to enter the halland Tunnel, like, all that is keeping me,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: all that is keeping me like alive, is just the
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: fresh air of the window. And she gets a call
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: from someone on the crew and rolls up the windows.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: As we enter the hall in tunnel, and I was like,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: this is like this is my I'm in this like
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: vessel going whatever fifty miles through this dark tunnel and
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: I'm going to I'm I have to throw up everywhere,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: and I she like encourages me, just like just girl
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: down the window. So I rolled down the window and
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: it's like it's so gross, so sorry projectile vomiting like
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: going so fast through the hall in tunnel. And so
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: to this day, I like am so mortified for whoever
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: was behind us, because it was like it was off
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: like it was out of a movie.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: It looked fake.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: You just brought your boss to tears.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: But you have to tell the part too. What happened
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: a couple of days later?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: Oh well, so so while we get to also just
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: picture you guys rolling up to set with like throw
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: up all over the car. Yeah, we stopped at a
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: gas station kind of wipe down that I was wearing
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: white though, and I was unscathed.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: But yeah, that was a bad day.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: And also I'd only known Alex for like three months.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: I was like, I like, if she like wants to
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: let me go, I understand, like if like maybe she's
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: just disgusted by me. Yeah, a couple of days weeks later,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know. However, days later I was driving her
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: to Guardia and essentially the same thing happened to her.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: So we were like, okay, what are.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: You guys eating or eating?
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: But yeah, so that that was used.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Up out of her car, windows of her card my car.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: Pull over on the freeway, so we like, we've got
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: it all.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hey, if that's not a bonding moment, right,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're that INSYNCT.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Employees who threw up together stay together.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: Apparently traumatizing, but it made us stronger.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: Wow, yeah that's.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Yep. So after that moment, you were like, unlocked, we're
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: gonna be together forever.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: Well, she was just so like human about it, and
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: so it helped me.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Not she was.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: I was so embarrassed, so mortified.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: And I was just like, you got food poison it,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: like it's fine.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: The severity of it was what was so mortifying. It
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: wasn't just like it it was like.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Not Jactile Rides made status, but it was pretty bad.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: It wasn't it was something like that.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: I watched that movie the other night.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: It's my favorite movie. I watch it too many times.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: It's so but that scene is just iconic.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: That's really what it.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: Felt like, is that that scene here you are.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: You made it, we didn't.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Well, hey, if you can get through that together, you
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: can get through a.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Lot of other things.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for sharing. I know that was hard
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: for you.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: Oh no, it's It's been shared many times since I've
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: embraced it.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: That is so funny. Okay, Well, Alex and Carly, thank
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: you guys so much for coming. This was really lovely
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: and it was so nice to spend time with both
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: of you on my couch with my two heavily breathing dogs.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: But I'm excited to, you know, see what you girls
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: do next. And seeing you together just makes me so happy.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: This is one of my proudest placements for sure.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having Yeah, thank you for having us.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was so fun.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: Of course.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: I mean your advice is so many people are going
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: to listen to this and either be like I'm not
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: going to be a producer, I'm gonna go try something else,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: or they're gonna hang in because it's worth it.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: So yeah, see, well I appreciate you guys.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:04:41
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• 1:04:46
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• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: you guys so much. Bye,