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Breakfast Club Classic: Ari Lennox Talks New Album ‘Vacancy’, Leaving Dreamville Records, Upcoming Tour, Dating + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day, pick up the breakfast Club. I'm finish for
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  Speaker 1: y'all morning.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody is the j Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne de goud
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  Speaker 2: We are the breakfast Club La La Roses here as well,
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  Speaker 2: and we got a special guest in the buildings, Ladies
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  Speaker 2: and gentlemen, Ari Lennox, welcome back already.
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  Speaker 1: How you feeling feel a good? How's your energy this morning? Good?
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  Speaker 3: Amazing?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah and Holly favored?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, me too.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Vacancy is out right now, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Vacancy can mean a lot of things.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It can mean emptiness, yep. It can mean opportunity.
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  Speaker 4: What exactly became vacant in your life that allowed this
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  Speaker 4: version of Ari Lennox exists and create this project.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's just the repetitiveness of my dating life. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The album encompasses avoid that needs to be filled and
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  Speaker 3: that can be romantic, it can be platonic. It can mean,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in a business way, it's just a metaphor
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  Speaker 3: or whatever that means.
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  Speaker 1: To you, you know, is platonic. We got let's forget it.
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  Speaker 5: Biopic biopics. I think, depending on how you.
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  Speaker 1: Can be having us saying the wrong word.
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  Speaker 3: Is it supposed to be? Yes? And you're the person,
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  Speaker 3: all right, camera, that's lovely.
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  Speaker 5: So on this project, you go in and out of
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  Speaker 5: your space, whether it's your heart, your physical space, and
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  Speaker 5: maya energy being vacant then being occupied then not.
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  Speaker 6: It's all over place. But it's a good journey.
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  Speaker 5: But so where are you in real life after this
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  Speaker 5: album in the dating world?
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  Speaker 6: Like what like?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just alone, but.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 3: It is thirty four years of like romantic loneliness. But
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  Speaker 3: it's cool. No, it's all right. I'm doing great. I'd
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  Speaker 3: rather be by myself than in anything toxic or unhealthy.
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  Speaker 3: So it is what it is, you know, I'm okay,
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  Speaker 3: turn it up.
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  Speaker 5: Though, I to turn up, which is my teen You
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  Speaker 5: to own house Cats, you said you'd be wanting.
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  Speaker 3: To and right here, I have this hot water.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you have no damn t in
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  Speaker 2: the club that night.
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  Speaker 5: But when you saw me years ago, years ago, No,
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  Speaker 5: I was like what two years ago?
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  Speaker 3: Last year?
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  Speaker 5: Last year?
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I had my hookah I stopped. I had
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  Speaker 3: to stop though, Yeah, I made a pack of the man.
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  Speaker 3: It's okay, I mean last year I wasn't singing, but
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  Speaker 3: this year, I am. So we got a tour coming up,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the Vacancy tour starts April twelfth, So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I want to be vocally prepared for it. So no
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  Speaker 3: more hookah for me.
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  Speaker 5: But so, but you're still on your sobriety journey right
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  Speaker 5: drinking want but you said you made a pack with
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  Speaker 5: the man.
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  Speaker 6: That's what made you stop? Yes, what happened to that
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  Speaker 6: made you said?
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  Speaker 3: He was horrible, he was trifling, he had a secret girlfriend,
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  Speaker 3: or he had a girlfriend. I guess I was the
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  Speaker 3: secret and I had no idea and I haven't spoke
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  Speaker 3: to him since once he told me.
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  Speaker 4: So you don't like you never liked the Escape song
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  Speaker 4: You're my little Secret.
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  Speaker 1: You couldn't be.
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  Speaker 3: I do love that song. I love Escape, So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I could not be a secret. No, but I do
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  Speaker 3: love that song. They was singing, Somebody want to keep
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  Speaker 3: You a Secret. I think it just speaks to the
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  Speaker 3: state of dating out here. It's just incredibly depressing. I
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  Speaker 3: feel like for everybody. You know, so it is what
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  Speaker 3: it is?
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  Speaker 5: Are there songs on this project about him? I know
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  Speaker 5: that you've been working on this for some time from him?
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  Speaker 5: Hell no, okay, because under the moon talks about somebody
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  Speaker 5: that's a big could be a big toxic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was someone else. Oh that was one of
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  Speaker 3: my exes. And I don't even know if he counts
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  Speaker 3: as an ex It was like a month long relationship.
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  Speaker 5: It counts, so it counts really well, well, it depends
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  Speaker 5: all right, Now, do you feel that you had a connection.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God Jesus, like, thank yoush space, thank you
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  Speaker 3: in your hair.
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  Speaker 7: Don't look confused, confused, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 5: You know that that depends, right, Did you have a
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  Speaker 5: strong connection with him?
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  Speaker 7: Do you feel like you loved him? Because the month
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  Speaker 7: can you A month can be short to some people,
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  Speaker 7: but that could mean a long time.
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  Speaker 5: It's not about the time, it's about how you connected
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  Speaker 5: with him, how he made you feel.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I don't feel like I loved him. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think it was because I think in order to
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  Speaker 3: love someone, you have to accept them for all that
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  Speaker 3: they are, and I feel like we did not accept
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  Speaker 3: each other for our truest selves, and for that reason,
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  Speaker 3: I don't believe it was love at all. Probably just infatuation,
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  Speaker 3: which I said it is just that repetitive theme. I
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  Speaker 3: think there were a lot of secure energies that entered
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  Speaker 3: my life that I wasn't ready for, And now they're
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  Speaker 3: getting married, all these secure people that I like, I
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  Speaker 3: didn't under I didn't recognize that safety like in them then,
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  Speaker 3: I think, because there's so much chaos inside of me.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm working through it. I have my therapist, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm a lot more aware of it now, those red
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  Speaker 3: flags and things of that nature.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Do you love fast? Do you like trust fast? When
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  Speaker 2: it comes to dating?
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  Speaker 3: I do, I do, But I don't think it's love.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's like trauma or something I think, or
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  Speaker 3: a kink, some type of like love kink. I think
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  Speaker 3: I have that because I'll be quick to be like,
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  Speaker 3: oh yeah, I love you, but it's like we're fucking,
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  Speaker 3: so it's like, like, of course I do right now.
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  Speaker 3: It's nice. The sex is really nice. And sometimes that
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  Speaker 3: can be just a little misleading, a little confusing. The
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  Speaker 3: emotions are high, and I think just in general, my
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  Speaker 3: emotions run extremely high, so I tend to romanticize and
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  Speaker 3: exaggerate things.
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  Speaker 1: Why can't you just love sexual?
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  Speaker 4: If somebody flips you and fold you and put you.
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  Speaker 3: A song, I love it.
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  Speaker 4: Why can't you just love the physical act, Like why
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  Speaker 4: does it have to be anything else?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, I can love it, but I think
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  Speaker 3: a part of sex for me is a very passionate thing,
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  Speaker 3: and it's just ironic because a lot of the times
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  Speaker 3: it isn't or it hasn't been in my past, very
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  Speaker 3: passionate and like, yeah, I think, yeah, all my relationships
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  Speaker 3: were kind of just surfaced for real. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want to be in love? Clearly? Right?
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  Speaker 3: I do? I Do you think you've ever been? No? No,
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  Speaker 3: I thought so, but no, I don't think I have
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  Speaker 3: now that I know what it means to be because
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  Speaker 3: it's a choice every day. I don't think I ever
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  Speaker 3: made that choice every day in those relationships.
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  Speaker 4: You're in therapy, right, And I go to therapy a
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  Speaker 4: lot as well, and your therapist will all often tell
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  Speaker 4: you that your first, last, and best love is self love,
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  Speaker 4: Like you can't love anybody else, Yeah, until you truly
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  Speaker 4: love yourself?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that part of the reason.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. My therapist is amazing. She has me doing these
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  Speaker 3: exercises every morning where I have to look at myself
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  Speaker 3: in the mirror and that's like so hard, Like I'm
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  Speaker 3: speaking to myself and I like who am I, and
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  Speaker 3: so it's been helpful, but it's definitely been an exercise
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  Speaker 3: that I avoid. I think it's just it's it's hard,
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  Speaker 3: honestly to face myself. But I'm getting closer, and it's
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  Speaker 3: amazing how long therapy has happened. She's been telling me
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  Speaker 3: that I need to read this book called The Courage
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  Speaker 3: to Trust, and I've been avoiding it, and it's just
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  Speaker 3: I know I could be so much farther in my journey.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny that I'm just prolonging healing in that way.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, one day I'll read it. One day I'll
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  Speaker 3: be able to breeze through that mirror exercise. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: So those are ways that I'm like practicing self love,
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  Speaker 3: slowly facing myself and learning who I am?
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  Speaker 2: Is it the trust issues?
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  Speaker 3: Huh?
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  Speaker 2: Is it the trust issues because you are a celebrity?
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  Speaker 2: You are, so it's understanding why somebody's coming into your space?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Is it because they really like me?
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  Speaker 2: Is it they love the idea of what's going on
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  Speaker 2: around me? Is it because I am a celebrity? Is
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  Speaker 2: that a big trust issue when it comes to you?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, how do you.
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  Speaker 1: Go through that?
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  Speaker 3: I have every right to have trust issues in that regard.
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  Speaker 3: I think men think I'm this barbie, like they see
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  Speaker 3: me online sometimes and I look like this or something,
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  Speaker 3: and they think that's how I am all the time,
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  Speaker 3: when really I have a pickup truck, I got two
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  Speaker 3: big dogs. I'm in the middle of nowhere on the
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  Speaker 3: water in the woods. It's a little creepy to people,
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  Speaker 3: but I love it, you know. And I take my
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  Speaker 3: trash to the landfill. All these kind of things that
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  Speaker 3: I don't think a man would ever expected me. I
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  Speaker 3: have multiple properties and things of that nature. I do
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  Speaker 3: not do that.
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  Speaker 5: I do have a lawnmower, but no one will teach
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  Speaker 5: me how to use it.
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  Speaker 3: So there is a I have a company finally that
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  Speaker 3: does it for me. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Do you feel like you learned?
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  Speaker 5: Like you learned, you learned something new about yourself and
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  Speaker 5: every relationship.
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  Speaker 3: That you Yes, yes, my last one definitely taught me
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  Speaker 3: to figure out what the hell is going on inside
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  Speaker 3: of me. Like I realized, oh, okay, I have an
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  Speaker 3: anxious attachment style, and then I realized, oh, I'm also avoidant,
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  Speaker 3: Like this is this has been this battle that I've
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  Speaker 3: been facing, and I think until like heal that more,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think I'll be able to dig deeper in
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  Speaker 3: a relationship. I think that's always going to be that block. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so interesting because when I listen to your music,
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  Speaker 4: I hear a self awareness, right I do you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean at least or at least that you're
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  Speaker 4: comfortable with what it is that you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, and who you're doing it with.
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  Speaker 1: That's where I get from it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, but what you mean, like, and so you think
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  Speaker 3: that means you're confused about me having trust issues? Are
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  Speaker 3: you saying?
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  Speaker 4: Because I feel like you got to trust yourself enough
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  Speaker 4: to even.
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  Speaker 1: To be able to even move like that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well the music that you make, that's easy.
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  Speaker 5: The music that you make is like it resonates with
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  Speaker 5: women like navigating self worth and growth and love. So
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  Speaker 5: it is kind of hard to here you sit here
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  Speaker 5: and say like the opposite. No, like it's hard for
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  Speaker 5: you to find love or you know something like that,
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  Speaker 5: or just everything that you feel, like you said is
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  Speaker 5: inside of you. I don't feel that in your music.
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  Speaker 5: Oh wow, like, oh you got it all together? This
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  Speaker 5: girl is? You make me want to go telling niggas
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  Speaker 5: fuck you, you know, because you know your worth. You
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  Speaker 5: know what you want and you know what you will
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  Speaker 5: stand for and what you want in a relationship.
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  Speaker 7: That's what I get from your music.
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  Speaker 3: That's why that's me too. I know my worth and
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  Speaker 3: when it's time to go, I'm definitely you know, I
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  Speaker 3: block and you know, delete that thread and cut people off.
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  Speaker 3: But but yeah, I mean yeah, I'm doing all right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And your press release for a Vacancy, one of
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  Speaker 5: the lines I wrote down was our new album, Vacancy
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  Speaker 5: signals a sophisticated new chapter defined by creative autonomy, confidence
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  Speaker 5: and growth.
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  Speaker 6: And I feel like Shaye butter Baby was that.
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  Speaker 5: I felt like, like all of the projects are that
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  Speaker 5: you so and this process took you three It was
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  Speaker 5: three years, but for many years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I didn't feel like it was done. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure I stressed out the label, my management shout
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  Speaker 3: out to Jaha and Justin, I know I stressed them out,
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  Speaker 3: but I knew the album wasn't done. And thank god
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  Speaker 3: everyone dragged me for like my singles, it kind of
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  Speaker 3: encouraged me to let me get back to the studio,
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  Speaker 3: make some more soul music, make some more pop leaning music,
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  Speaker 3: and just yeah, and then I knew I was. I
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  Speaker 3: felt relief. I knew it was time. Okay, it's done,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm really proud.
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  Speaker 4: It's a good it's a great album, and it does
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  Speaker 4: feel like it feels like a reset, you know, musically
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  Speaker 4: and personally.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So did leaving dream Bill create that you?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Were you already evolving and just needed space to show it?
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  Speaker 3: Let me see? No, I feel like I've That's the
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  Speaker 3: beauty about Dreamville. They've always created that atmosphere of just
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  Speaker 3: like follow your heart, do what you want to do,
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  Speaker 3: and and so it was it's always been beautiful, like
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  Speaker 3: I've always had that creative freedom. And then Innerscope is
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  Speaker 3: really amazing with supporting me and that too, like they've
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  Speaker 3: never pushed me to do anything that I didn't want
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  Speaker 3: to do. Same thing with Dreamville. So it's always been
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  Speaker 3: like beautiful, really healthy.
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  Speaker 2: You know that seems like you and have a great relationship.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: How did you and JD hook up? And how did
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  Speaker 2: that expand to where it is now?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Between Justin and the labels, they put together a
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  Speaker 3: session and we created pressure and we've just been cool
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  Speaker 3: ever since. He's lovely, He's an amazing marketing giant. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he'd be in the streets shouting every body out. Everybody
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  Speaker 3: he works with. He's just lovely and he's really easy
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  Speaker 3: to work with in the studio. He's not pushy or
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  Speaker 3: anything like that. He's just incredible.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, how did he stretch your artistry?
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  Speaker 3: Stretch it? How does he stretch it? I mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: just I mean, he just encourages me to talk about
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  Speaker 3: all kinds of different things. He's playing all types of
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  Speaker 3: different beats. Let me tell you something. When we get
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  Speaker 3: in the studio, if you play me a sexy beat,
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  Speaker 3: I'm a fucking beat freaky as hell on that beat,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. But if you play he's
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  Speaker 3: something that makes me want to fight, I'm gonna talk
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  Speaker 3: some angry ship, you know. So it really does just
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  Speaker 3: depend on the vibe. So yeah, have you.
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  Speaker 1: Ever got confusing to fight?
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  Speaker 3: WHOA? Never? Not yet?
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  Speaker 7: You know.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 2: Did you know it's time to leave Dreamville when this is.
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  Speaker 3: No? Because I feel like every time I kind of
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  Speaker 3: have arguments with people, it seems like the beginning of
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  Speaker 3: the end. And I don't really think I say the
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  Speaker 3: worst things. I just think I don't know the balloon
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  Speaker 3: pop so it must be some type of surfaced energy.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm just not opening up enough to where they
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  Speaker 3: really think I'm somebody else and then they find out, oh,
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  Speaker 3: she's a human or like you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 3: and it's just they don't like that human. So I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. I would like to get in a relationship
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  Speaker 3: where like, okay, not we're yelling and screaming, but like
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  Speaker 3: we had a disagreement and that's okay, and now we're
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  Speaker 3: kissing and everything's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Do you cross that line, because it seems like you
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  Speaker 2: said you cross that line. Do you cross that line
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  Speaker 2: where it's like, you know there's a line in the
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  Speaker 2: argument where you know you don't need to go right,
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  Speaker 2: you know it is gonna hurt somebody's feelings. Do you
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  Speaker 2: cross that line in that argument?
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't think all the time. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: that now all the time. I think it's just me
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  Speaker 3: needing time to snap out of it, or maybe an
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  Speaker 3: energy that's a lot more understanding and like I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: wanting to you know what helps me, Like when someone's
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  Speaker 3: just like I don't want to fight, and I'll also
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  Speaker 3: like express that too, like I don't want to fight
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  Speaker 3: and that disarms me a bit, and I feel like
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  Speaker 3: that can disarm both.
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  Speaker 7: People, are right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, Yeah, you only got to say that to
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  Speaker 5: people who you know like to fight.
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  Speaker 4: No, Yes, you only say because you know, if you
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  Speaker 4: know the person well enough, you're like, look, I don't
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  Speaker 4: want to fight. You already know what's gonna set the more.
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  Speaker 4: You only say that to people who you know like
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  Speaker 4: to fight.
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  Speaker 3: No, that was the first time me and this person
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  Speaker 3: had an argument. And I wonder if I said it
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  Speaker 3: or he said it first. I don't know, but I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we never had an argument until that moment, and we
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  Speaker 3: just literally got along. But I guess we were just
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  Speaker 3: minting our words so much, and maybe that's why I
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  Speaker 3: blew up the way that it did.
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  Speaker 4: But you're a communicator, You write songs, you actually communicate
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  Speaker 4: for a living, so I'm sure you can communicate in
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  Speaker 4: the country.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I do. When things get really spicy,
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: like if we're yelling, I know it's time. It's time
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: for it to be over. I think yelling is like toxic.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: What's the biggest thing that you guys would argue over?
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, this was just what happened. He didn't like it.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: When I would say no, he was okay, I had
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: been working out, Okay, let me explain. Yeah, I'm sorry,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: let me continue. So I was in the gym all
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: day and I was tired, and then I asked him.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: I said, hey, can you like stretch with me, like
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: let's stretch or whatever? And he was like sure, and
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: then he started doing all of these like things a
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: dance stretching routine that I was tired. So I kind
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: of just stopped and sat down, and he was pissed.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: And so then we went to chappol l and we
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: were eating and he just was giving me the silent treatment,
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: and he was holding his chips so tight and no,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: I don't remember, but he was holding his ship so
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: tight and he usually shares his chips. So I'm just like,
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: who are you going. I feel like we weren't aligned,
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: and that's all, like I think everyone's different. Then he
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: put his hands out to prey and I just was like,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: you know what if I don't want to pray? It
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: was awkward. Okay, this was a build up for me
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: because he never asked me if I was comfortable. And
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: I know this may sound bad, but praying in public
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: with the hands at Chipotle.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: The first time we got in a circle.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: And I don't mind that, It's just it was just
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: atch in North Hollywood.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: After Chips, his dog, his vibe that he was giving
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: you before you know what I'm saying.
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: I think if he if y'all was good and he
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: ain't do all that balat and didn't want to do
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: all that, and y'all had a great stretch.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: You didn't ask me how we should stretch. He didn't
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: want to reach stretch. She didn't want to. He asked
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: me to scratch.
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: I came to But if she was having that like.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: A praise dad God, I love God.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: I just think if you if he was, if he
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: was giving off a better vibe and she right and
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: feel comfortable, like you want to pray, but your little
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: vibe a little off. So I'm gonna pray to myself.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: I don't want to pray with you right now.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: That could have been the.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Chips or was it the praying that bothered you the most?
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: No, it was just all of it combined. And then
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: as we were walking I'm not an atheist all like,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: I thank God, but yeah, so I think after that
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: We're walking home and I'm like you know what, you
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: don't like being told no, And that was the beginning
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: of the end. I think we both blacked out a bit.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: You remember the conversation, I know, that's all I remember.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: I just know we were just going back and forth,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: and I eventually said, this is not gonna work, which
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: is a terrible thing like to say in a relationship.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I think I don't. It's something I heard my dad
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: saying all the time growing up, and I really feel
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: like I've adopted that so like when things are like
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: really rough, this is not gonna work, or like just
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: kind of fall back a bit. So I think those
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: things can be hurtful to a partner. Absolutely.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: When your dad was saying it, was it just about
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: things in life in general? Was it a relationship with
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: your mom? Or like what was your dad saying in reference.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: To just everything, any type of argument he would have
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: with anyone, any type of conflict, or he was pissed
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: at his kids for doing this or that. It was
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: this isn't gonna work. And I just feel like I
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: definitely do that, like, you know, as a response, as
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: a defense mechanism. I think, because yeah, things aren't things
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: don't have to be that extreme. You know every time,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: but I'm sure that was really hurtful to him, you know.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: And where that power if you keep seeing something not
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: gonna work?
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: And you are an Aries right now, very spicy, like
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: you said, Bee.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Spicy.
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: So do you sign?
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: I'm an Aquarius wonderful and Aquarius cole that's right.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I don't.
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: I don't know that. I don't a lot to keep
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: things on, even kill you know. I got that from
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: The Departed.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: That was a movie.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I love that movie, movies like that.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna what is going on?
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: Do you think somebody's zodiac sign plays the part in
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: whether or not you'll date them?
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: No, I will state I will still date anybody, and
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: it doesn't have anything to do with their sign. But
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I have noticed patterns with certain signs, like Pisces. I
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: feel like men, at least when it comes to me.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: I don't believe we are very compatible. I think they
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: are literally this a slippery fish that you can never catch,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: very aloof energy, bottom of the bottom up.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Chip.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: No, he was, well, I ain't gonna tell you who
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: he was, and't gonna put it wasn't Oh he was.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: He was a Pisces. Yes, secret family. I feel like
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: there are secrets. There are a lot of secrets that
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Pisces men have, and I I think they're very at
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: least with me and in my experience, surface energies. So
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: there's something in me. I think they think I'm something else,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: and when they realize, oh there's something deeper here, I'm out.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: Are these men like celebrities or they're like like what
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: are they?
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Uh no, no one really knows them.
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: No, okay, yeah, do you purposely date like out of
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: the industry?
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Honestly, I would, Oh, well, I would love to date
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: someone that's well known, but I would like to date
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: someone that's not in the industry, like a scientist or
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: a historian. I think could be really nice because I
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: like history. I like science and things of that nature.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: So I want somebody that I can completely just kind
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: of silence my music world. I don't want to talk
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: about music all day unless it's old school stuff like
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: that's fun, you know, but like the studio stuff and
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: like songs, and like, I couldn't date a songwriter. I
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: think I would get really exhausted. I have gotten exhausted.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: What they want he always wanted you to hear lyrics,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: yes or.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Exactly or songs and I just write for you right exactly,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: you know, I just I just want something completely opposite, gotcha.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I was gonna ask before, you know, when did you
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: know it was time to leave dream Field. We've heard
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: you complained for years and how you wanted to be
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: independent and what you wanted to do on yourself. When
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: did you know it was the right time?
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, it's just a feeling. I think
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: after when my song Smoke dropped, it just felt like
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: we weren't aligned. And it's not their fault. I don't
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: know what happened. I think perhaps they didn't know, like
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: the date of it or something. And I think as
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: it dropped, it was just I could feel like there
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: was no marketing behind it and I and I mean,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: you were right.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I vocally said that I never felt like they supported you.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Oh I do feel like they supported me overall, Like
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: I don't believe that I would have gotten this far
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: without them. J Cole was the greatest co sign I
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: could have ever had. As a neo soul artist, people
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: sleep on our genre so incredibly so he changed my
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: life and introduced me to people that probably might not
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: have received me the same if they heard me outside
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: of you know, his camp. So the marketing overall, like
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: ow is incredible, But honestly, I think they were in
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: the middle of a deal separating Dreamville from Interscope, and
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I think that's what I was feeling at the time,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: and that's why they were unable to really hone in
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: on what's going on. I think over the years also
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: I have to take accountability with a lot of just
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: my little things on the internet, with just speaking up
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: about different things, I think probably created some tension for sure. No,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: not even the label, just like just the little things
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: like a Martin fan, and they didn't like No, not
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: I I don't even think so.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Around the time that smoke dropped, you Will posted online
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: that you were exhausted by Dreamville, that you were tired
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: of people treating you like you were to face of
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: mental health. You're okay, you're happy, but they're not. They're
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: not marketing you well, they're not protecting you. You wish
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: labels knew how.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: To do that. I felt that way about Interscope too.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: It wasn't just all Dreamville and Interscope has really they've
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: really shown me a lot of love and support and
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: things of that nature. And I think it just was
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: a really emotional time for me, and I I think
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: I was I regretted. Honestly, I feel like I should
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: have never taken it to the internet Internet. But like
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: you know, I do want to apologize to j Cole.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I've been I sent him a message on Instagram, I
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: sent him a voice note. I'm a little afraid to
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: give them a call, but I do apologize. Yeah, yeah,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: I love that. None of those got well you know,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: well they don't deserve apology. But it was never cold.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Cole was never the issue. I think it just was
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: literally like a marketing thing in it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: But it is what it is, see for me, and
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you know so you're right.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: So I guess just on the outside looking and you're like, well, damn, Cole,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: why don't you stand next to you, next to somebody
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: like that more.
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: Often regarding because that can help him marketing a lot.
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: He This man.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Flew all the way to London for me. I was performing.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: I mean it was beautiful time, sold out two nights.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I forgot the venue, but it was beautiful and it
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: was massive. This man surprised me as I'm performing Shade
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: butter Baby, and I cried like a baby. I sounded
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: like a walrus. I could not get the words out
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: because I was so shocked. Like that's how loving and
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: selfless he is, so cold himself, like I will always
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: care and respect him because London across the pond for little.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Old me is like, what you know, he just liked
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: to ride bikes and stuff.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, No.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Was called like, how did you call him and tell
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: him you wanted to be released? Do you remember that call?
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Did you speak to him directly?
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: I sadly, with my avoidant nature, I sent him a
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: voice note about it, and it's sad I should have
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: called him. Yeah, for sure?
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Did he respond?
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: I was. I wasn't ready to face like my own
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: my own ways. I wasn't ready to be accountable for myself.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: And then I don't believe. I was just scared about
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Like there's a lot of things that I wish I
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: just talked to him about before taking it to the internet.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: So I really feel like those things created that tension.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Did you respond? Did he respond to?
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: He did respond? He did respond. Come on, But that's
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: why that's why I apologize.
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: If you want to share with it.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: When he responded with that, he said, because he's normally
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: very like warm and comforting when he talks about you.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he said he wished I called him.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, when you.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Look back now, it was the frustration about marketing, creative control,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: and just feeling misunderstood.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: As an artist.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: There's things I didn't understand about, like how you're supposed
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: to move in a in a label.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: I didn't know. Yeah, what's the question again? Sorry, I
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: got my ADHD.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I don't forgot to.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Marketing.
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: Was it marketing being.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Artist?
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Was it creative control or being miss Oh? I just
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: know I feel like they understood me. I think they
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: understood me well. I think uh, like I said, I
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: think there was a lot of things going on at
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: that time where they couldn't focus on the artists at
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: that specific time. But they did all them other years before,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: but at that specific time, I think they were parting
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: ways with Innerscope, So like I got lost in like
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: that and I didn't know that until after, and then
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: it's just like damn, I wouldn't have said anything like yeah,
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: but it's also not my business, like they are a business,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: and I should have known that and respected that you
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: know as an artist, like, this is a business and
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: I'm learning that.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: And I don't think stood.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think Cole ever stood next to any of
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: his artists. He always played the background.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: No, he stood next to us with our features and
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: on stage and putting us on. We opened up for him.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: All them collaborations we've done together, Boss has done together.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, them Dreamville albums. Yeah, he stood next to us.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: He didn't have to.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: What's one thing that because I think when people talk
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: about you Dreamville, J Cole, it's always this stuff. What's
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: one thing that you wish people would talk more about
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: when they talk about you Dreamville.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: And J co Oh wow, I don't know just just
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: how sweet he is, how selfless he is. I remember
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: before for Your Eyes Only dropped, he was driving around.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: He was like, let's listen to my album, y'all, and
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: like we got in the car and me Jake, he's
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: been driving one of a big old well, I don't
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: know if I shot I should tell you his car.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: It wasn't a Honda, not that there's anything, but it
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: was a big old truck. Yeah. Yeah. Listening to his
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: music and I that was a very special thing to
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: do like I for me to be able to get
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: the first listen in the car with him an elite
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: and I believe someone else was there. Sorry to that person,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: I don't remember, but it was beautiful. It was beautiful.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: It's just things like that, and then beautiful conversations he
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: would have with me about like just me feeling down
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: or financial intelligence. He really instilled in me and wanted
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: to prepare me for and thank god he did. I
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: made certain decisions, like with investing in properties and because
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: I'll spend some money, like I'll spend some money, so
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: that helped. Those homes that I invested in are kind
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: of like a savings account for me. And I feel
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: like he put me on a certain thing.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: So what's the hardest part of closing that chapter?
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Hardest part is just just wishing things didn't in the
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: way that they did. I know I didn't help, but
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: it was funny because it was all kind of vending anyway.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: I just wish I knew that, but you know, I
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: have to be accountable, So I think that's the hardest part. Yeah,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: just knowing that I you know, I was unprofessional and
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: really emotional.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how did that experience change the way you view
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the music.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: Industry, Well, honestly, my experience has been relatively good.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: I'm really lucky. There's a lot of labels that would
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: have dropped me. There's a lot of labels that could
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: have assaulted me, all kinds of things. Dreamville was really
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: a protective energy. They I remember there was one time
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: I got drunk as hell in Australia and I was
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: dancing and I was making out with this guy. It
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: was terrible on the dance floor and I went home.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: I went to the hotel and this man was I
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: guess he was tagging along or he was trying to
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: get My friend said he was just like trying to
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: get into my room, and said was like absolutely not
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: like all And I was so drunk it could have
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: been bad. And yeah, there were times where, you know,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: outside of Dreamville, where like things happened where I wasn't
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: very coherent because of liquor, and so yeah, and that moment,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: it's just like, I really appreciate having my brothers there
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: to stop this man from who knows what.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: You know, So you have been so blessed when it
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: comes to that. I heard another story you told about
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: when you were in an airport yeah, and you it's
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: kind of the same thing.
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: Like anybody could have did anything. You're blacked out from drinking.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Anybody I was drunk. I was always drunk in the airport,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: especially when before the flight. Yeah, okay, before the flight
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: to get through the flight. I've just always been terrified
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: of flying. And it's that's the amazing aspect of sobriety
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: is that I can actually heal and like face these
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: issues because I'm not prolonging it or you know, with
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: numbing myself. So that's been great, Like, now flying is
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: a lot easier.
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: Well, good, Yeah, what do you think you were trying
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: to run from? Like what do you think? Why were
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: you drinking so much?
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: What was oh?
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Everything? Really it was the flying that really spearheaded like everything.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: It was just the fear of dying, a horrific death
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: from the guy.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: How anxiety works. I don't want to call it any
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: irrational fears.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: Whatever fear you have is multiplied times one hundred, Yeah, exactly.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, I just wanted to numb that. I
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: didn't want to be screaming on the plane and embarrassing myself.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: But now like I know what the plane sounds like
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: when I'm taking off. I know, I'm starting to like
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: how it feels. It's still I feel like a rocket
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: going into space, but you know, it's it's gotten easier.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: Do you feel like an artist personality is just as
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: important as their talent?
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Ah? I do, and I feel like it can be
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: damaging if you're too honest, too open, too opinionated. Yeah,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: there are things I wish I never opened up about online.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: But you know, you get one life, and I hate
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: to regret anything at eighty like I should have said this,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: should have did this, should have this person should have
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: because they can see is sexy as hell.
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and that good sex.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Yet you're a manifesting because I am having sex. It's
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: been three years.
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: Oh so you're se Yeah, so you're celeb good.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, actually I did have a I shouldn't have said.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to lie. Well it was almost three years. Okay,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: well no it was three years. It was it could
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: have been longer, but yeah, no, I'm not a liar.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: That's my.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: You. I don't want my mom to know how it
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: was just a little moment, So.
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: I want you no more questions.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Actually it was all right.
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: She said, you want to ask you no more questions.
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: Okay, so what because when people say that they've been
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: celibate for like three years, five years, I'm like, how
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: do you not run into like instances of just like
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: the feeling of like wanting to masterby at all?
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Oh no, I do that every night.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I thought, but because there are certain levels
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: of celibacy, Like I know, people can never sell it
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: to the point where they're not even trying to do.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: No. I could never go that long without doing that,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: and I feel like my whole down there would completely change,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: like it would completely collapsed, like if I didn't make
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: sure she was good.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: So what was the running you had that almost like
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: messed it all up or kind of sets you back?
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: You said, Oh, I don't.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Think it set me back. I feel like I needed
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: to get that energy off me. I feel like I
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: was really becoming decrepit a bit, and like and just
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: I just was too. I just felt in my energy,
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: my energy was exuding prudeness and honestly, there's nothing wrong
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: with that, and I feel like celibacy is a beautiful thing,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: but me personally, I just needed a nice restart of
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, now we're back.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: So yeah, what's the clock at Now, what.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Do you mean in general?
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Now, listen, you're what would you call yourself?
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: R and B soul, R and B soul, neil soul.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: I like to play with alternative sounds under the moon.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: This record I have, I'm howling like I love it.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: I love things like that. So I like to get
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: in the pop space one day, but I wanted to
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: feel authentic. I love all kinds of music. I love Zed,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: I love Red Hot Chili Pepper, System of a Downlady
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: on the album Yeah Company is everything, and he's my
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: one and only features.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: So I wonder when it comes to these labels, right
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: for somebody like you who's a sofa R and B artist,
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: you don't necessarily fit the pop or hip hop marketing machines.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I wonder does anybody know what to do with it?
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: I think they're doing the best that like they can,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: and I think they're they're doing pretty well. I think
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I just gotta do this. I gotta be in the streets.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: I gotta talk to people. I gotta sing my ass
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: off and like make people understand, like you know, I'm
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: good at this, and come see my tour, you know,
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: come to my tour, Come listen to the album. I
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: think there's a lot of work I have to do.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: I agree with you, because every time we've had conversations,
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: you know, on this air, I'm like, yo, she's such
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: a nice person, like she got such a personality, right,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: but if you just see what you do online, you
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: think all she does is complain, Like we.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Can't even watch Martin without her complaining.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Please watch Martin. Yes, I can't break, I know. And
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: it meant the world to me because he was so
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: gentle in his response, and oh I I didn't expect that.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: I actually when I responded to she did she did.
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: Response?
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: I did cry? Yeah, yeah, because you know, he didn't
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: have to respond so beautifully the way that he did,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: and I didn't feel it was invalidating, you know what
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. But he was also you know, true to
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: himself and I respect that completely as a big fan
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: of him. It meant the world to me because he's
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: a legendary comedian. He could have dragged me to hell.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: So along with the world set exactly, it was heartbreaking.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: It was a heavy time for me because I felt
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: like I isolated myself from every black person in the world. So,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: like I was ruminating heavy, but luckily the album like
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: pulled me out of the dumps and therapy and things
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: of that nature.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah oh yeah, is confident enough to understand Martin?
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm sure she she loves it. Yeah yeah,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: do you have a black therapist who? Yeahst she's lovely, beautiful,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: beautiful natural hair. She's great. Yeah, yeah, she's wonderful.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: I think what you just said, though, is important for
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: people to hear, because so you get online, you say it,
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: people talk about it, to discuss it, they make their jokes,
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: they move on. But for you, you said it actually
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: took you to like a really dark space. Oh yeah,
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: because we think that you because afterward you came back on,
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: you readdressed it. You you know, you stood tend toes
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: down on. This is how I felt. So for me,
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: I thought she said what she said, she moved on.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: But in real life, it doesn't stick like that with you.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Right right, it doesn't. Yeah? Yeah, like, yeah, like I said,
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: it was, it was just really heavy. But you know,
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: I think it helped kind of just accepting that everyone
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: is going to have their own opinions about it, and
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: it's okay that I have mine.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: And yeah, absolutely, what boundaries that you set for yourself
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: this era that the younger are Lenox didn't have.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: I think this year, this era, I just don't want
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: to respond anymore. I just want to really be intentional
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: when I'm on the internet about being sexy and also
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: like just promoting my album and just promoting like what
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: I stand for in relation to like my personal experiences
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: growing up and my music.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: You know, let's stay there for a walk.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: In social media, like you've been talking about, been a
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: complicated relationship for you over there.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you feel artists today have to sacrifice peace
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: of mind just to stay visible, just to promote this stuff?
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all, it's all in the game. Yeah, this is
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: the game. This is what we signed up for. So
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: it is what it is. But we want people to
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: buy our tickets, we want people to buy our albums.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: So it is what it is. And it's just realizing
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: the power that we hold as artists and you know,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: people will. We have to just understand that with everything
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: we say and do, like we could spark, we could
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: light a fire if we're not careful. So yeah, it's
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of things I've been learning. I'm trying to
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: just you know, not talk too much because I didn't
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: know it would be such a big deal me saying
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: what I said I had. I had no idea, But
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: you know now I do you know, I you know,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: you would have thought I came out as a MAGA
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: supporter or you know, yeah, yeah girl. I was just like, damn,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: I didn't know it would be so intense, but you know,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: now I know, And it's just like it's just best
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: for me to just.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: The conversation you were trying to have is a conversation
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: that can be had. I just don't know if it
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: like everybody doesn't agree with it being applied to Martin, right,
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: But the conversation about like dark skin, light skin, it's
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: a conversation we have. And I think that I hope
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: that you feel on social media too, that there's a
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: whole movement of black women that we played new Apartment
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: every time we move we soft girl era, Like do
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: you feel that too as well?
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: I feel the love and support and I felt supported
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: in that. But I think I have this issue where
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: in general, sometimes it's easier to focus on the negative
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: and like how loud it is and just certain things
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: people said. It's just like damn. Like, well, I know,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not lame, like I just had. I just I
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: spoke from a space of being a little girl and
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: like consuming you know the show the way I consumed it.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: But there's so many beautiful memories around Martin, you know,
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: watching it with my grandmother, Like she'd be pissed honestly
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: along with everyone else about Like what I said, but
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: that was.
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: Your experience, yeah, like you know, yeah, but look experiences.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: How is it Performing in South Africa at the Jazz
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: Festival last year?
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: It was amazing.
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: It was connection with the people.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: It was fantastic. You like, yeah, I was afraid to
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: go because that was my first time and that was
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: a long flight. That's a long flight. Well that and
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: I was beefing with some people from South Africa on Twitter.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: I did, but once I got there, I started a
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: lot of ship but not intentionally, I swear. But but yeah,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: so girls, it is really we do love I mean,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, well, but I really thought it was gonna
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: be beef. Came there, everyone was nice, people were beautiful,
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: sweet jamming. They really had my back. I love them.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: So it was a dream of South Africa. I can't
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: wait to go back.
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: Yes, did you do an interview while you were there?
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: No, I don't remember, because.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: That was a part of you saying like you weren't
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: going to do any interviews when you went at one
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: point a good yeah, you was like, I'm not going back,
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: I'm not doing interviews.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not this.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: I would do an interview. I have no this is great,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: but yeah, yeah, I don't think I did an interview,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: but I would do an interview. I'm not afraid anything.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: It was a joke.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's interesting a lot of this was
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: just fueled by alcohol. You could just say he was drunk,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: no raging alcoholic.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Back then, I was raging, chilling in it.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: What does it mean to put the whole in high school?
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Oh? I mean.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: Girls ahead.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: You know, it's just like, why did you play with me?
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Why did you let me down? I thought you were
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: so wonderful and I gave my heart to you and
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: you just obliterated it. Yeah, all of their signs. There
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: was a scorpio. The scorpio wasn't even a relationship. It
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: was just one day. He was just a waste of time.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: And uh, the tours we talked about Oh fuck nothing.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, you broke a window before flatten the time before,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: no never, never, no, no, we have to think about it.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: What did you do?
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Oh? I won't tell you what I did that that
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: wasn't towards of me and a family member had a
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: beef along time, but it wasn't bleach. But it was
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: something I could not say, no, no, nothing, you guys something.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: Never in my life have I wished a woman's exes
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: could sing. I wish them could sing. I wish they
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: could make their own songs. I need to hear the
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: other side.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I need to hear the other side of them. Yes,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I need to hear what they I need to hear
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: what they would say about you.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: I probably do too. I probably do too. It would
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: probably help me a lot understand why they were so trifling,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: you know. Yeah no, But honestly, it'd be cool to
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: get some pointers like okay, fine, Like maybe y'all could
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: work on this. You know, but I already know, I
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: already know.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: I cannot wait to attend this tour. Girl Alam one
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: of them stops. Thank you, you appreciate hear you sing
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: and just see your show.
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: I love you so much.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: I love you too, sure you too.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: Just my last question if you had to explain I
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: guess your career in like three different chapters. Right, you
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: got Dreamville Ari. I don't know if I would say
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: frustrated Ari, that can come and go. But now vacancy,
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: But now vacancy. Right, which version of yourself feels the
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: most honest?
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, I think vacancy. I'm just literally unapologetic, like
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: this is who I am. Also in the same breath,
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: it's just like, just let me remind people, like I'm
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: not playing. I'm a soulful artist. I'm R and B artist.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: I know how to write music. I know how the
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: same music. I'm good at this, And let's just get
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: back to the music you know, like I and I'll
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: keep it there. I'll try my best to keep it
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: there for the world, for the sake of black cultures.
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: Culture.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: The most interesting thing that we're gonna witness about you
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: is how you get better with time, Like I can
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: see it, like your music is gonna get better with time,
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: plus just you as a person, like your levels of
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: I don't give a fuck are going to get better
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: as you get older, Like you're gonna be that rich auntie,
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Who may decide to get married. May not just tart
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: to get married. May get married once or twice, get
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: the boy.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: But you're going, oh my god, sixteen freaky husband is
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: going to have a beautiful freaky wife and we are
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: going to be together.
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: Drop four.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: The woman her age. Yes, cows, cows and lamas and
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: camels and kangarooly.
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: Really yes, the whole farm like with and black at
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: the same time.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: Mexican man, thank you writing like yes, I love today,
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: like six three, it's amazing.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Are you being trifling?
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Both of them?
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: Trifling?
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I'm so happy about you.
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: So everything you say that you like, I resonate with that,
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: like the farm to pick up truck, all that, like, yeah,
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: husband came all it.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that's what I want. Just a nice,
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: peaceful man, beautiful animals. I would love that.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to see forty four year old. Are
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: thank you?
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: Not with a Mexican man, you have a black I
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: would love a Mexican man or Mexican and black black man.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, but I'm down for it all. I think
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Bad Bunny is very handsome. I know he's Puerto Rican.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: He's Puerto Rican, but you know, no, not a butt.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: But I love Puerto Ricans. Well, I just people very attractive.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: You enjoy the Super Bowls, what you're trying to do.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: I did enjoy you met him. Honestly, I didn't watch it.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Why the d N by no reason loved it.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: You know, wait for get it.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: I would love this.
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: You're going back, You're going out back.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: We could talk all day, I promise.
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: The whole time. You bought that for support I did.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: I think it was. It's hard for me to do
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: both at the Yeah, I was.
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: Saying, you're going back out on tour too, right, you
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: just announced the tour so way different experience because that
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: was the thing too, with the whole rod wave situation.
• 51:12
  Speaker 6: I'm glad we're going to get to see you in
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: all of your elegance the right way.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: I have to be accountable. I did this to myself.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: I and I needed the money. I wanted the money. Uh,
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: and I'm grateful for that money. I just didn't know
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: I would be shaking like a stripper every night in fear.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: But it was, and it builds, it builds integrity, and
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: I do believe that made me stronger again. And also
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: I feel like I learned a lot about the industry.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: These people are not my friends. Stop going into business
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: situations and expecting acquaintances to be my friend and family
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: and treat me the way family and friends treat me.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: So there it was just a beautiful lesson to learn,
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: and I really do appreciate Rod Way for giving me
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: that opportunity, And now I know stay away from raps,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: like opening up for them and in general dating them,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: like just don't do it.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: You could be on the stage with the right rappers like.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Foggy Rod J Cole, Yeah, I love Foggy Rod.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: He's from the d m VS, from Pg's incredible rapper.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: We have a beautiful song out called Stay a While.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean I would still do stuff with
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: rappers if it was a space where you know what
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: would have helped me and Rod if we had a
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: record together. I think his fans would have been more
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: receptive to me. But since they didn't know me, they
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: were like, who is this old hold this old bitch
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: on stage trying to be happy as hell? We want
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: to be said, making me happy, bitch, and so yeah,
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: that's what happened.
• 53:00
  Speaker 6: Young, Like.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Can we get a song off the app what you
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: want to have vacancy right now, I dont want to
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: hear you.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Please soft girl, errorless morning, thank you. What else you
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: want to do, I'll say cool down. It's like a
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: warm hug. It's not about sex. It's about love, and
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: we're manifesting true love in my life. The only feature, well,
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: he just really came through for me. I did submit
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: the album to a few different rappers, but they didn't
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: have time.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Well okay, well thank you for.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: I promise.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Just thing you gotta think with rappers. It's like, no,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna date rappers. I'm not going on tour
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: with them.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no. It's not for them, girl,
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: not all the time.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: It's the breakfast Club.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Good morning, every day.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Up the Breakfast Club. Finished for y'all. Done,