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S2 E18 _ Midday Missing _ Thomas Harper & Lauren Spierer _ Missing in Indiana · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: Oh there, she is the Queen herself arry true Crime
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  Speaker 1: into the chat. You are more than welcome and we
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  Speaker 1: are looking forward to you being back as well. Hello Pam,
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  Speaker 1: Hope you're doing good. So for today we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be heading back to Indiana, which is right next to
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  Speaker 1: my state. Now, Indianapolis and Bloomington are two of the
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  Speaker 1: most well known cities in the state of Indiana, but
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  Speaker 1: there's also, like you know, three big cities in the
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  Speaker 1: whole state. So now each your offer a distinct atmosphere
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  Speaker 1: and role within the state. Indianapolis the state capital and
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  Speaker 1: largest city, sits in central Indiana along the White River
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  Speaker 1: and is known for its strong sports culture, major business centers,
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  Speaker 1: and events like the legendary Indianapolis five hundred held at
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  Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. I think did the breakyard used
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  Speaker 1: to be there too? I don't know, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I remember that from as a kid. Now about fifty
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  Speaker 1: miles to the south lies Bloomington, a vibrant college town
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  Speaker 1: best known as the home of Indiana University. Bloomington and
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  Speaker 1: Bloomington's identity is shaped by the university, giving the city
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  Speaker 1: a lively cultural scene, diverse restaurants, music, arts, and a
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  Speaker 1: youthful energy, while the surrounding hills in forest add a
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  Speaker 1: scenic contrast to the bustle of Indianapolis, which it's it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like the same where I live in Ohio
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  Speaker 1: as well. Now together the two cities reflect both the
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  Speaker 1: economic hub and the academic heart of Indiana. Now. In
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  Speaker 1: recent years, Indiana has continued to reapport a steady number
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  Speaker 1: of missing person cases. According to the National Crime Information Center,
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  Speaker 1: there were about one thousand, four hundred and one active
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  Speaker 1: missing person cases in Indiana in twenty twenty three and
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  Speaker 1: those involved both adults and children, and as of early
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, roughly two hundred and forty cases remained
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  Speaker 1: open statewide. Now it is a rate that is lower
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  Speaker 1: than many other states, but still represents hundreds of families
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  Speaker 1: searching for answers. And so today we want to draw
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  Speaker 1: our focus on two of those two hundred and forty cases.
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  Speaker 1: Now our first case. Hold on, you would think I
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  Speaker 1: know how to do this slide show. I was not prepared.
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  Speaker 1: Way to go. You have one job. Sorry, Oh, there
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  Speaker 1: we go. I know what I'm doing. Now our first case. Sadly,
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  Speaker 1: we could not find a lot of information, which we
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  Speaker 1: believe means we need to share it even more so.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Harper, who also goes by the name TJ, was
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  Speaker 1: thirty two years old when he was last seen on
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  Speaker 1: July third, twenty twenty five, so just last year. His
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  Speaker 1: sudden disappearance has let family and friends searching for answers,
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  Speaker 1: and investigators are asking the public for help in locating him.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas stands approximately six feet tall, weighs about one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and forty pounds. He has several distinctive tattoos that could
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  Speaker 1: help identify him, including the phrase family first across his chest,
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  Speaker 1: No Mercy with a rose on his arm, praying hands
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  Speaker 1: on his upper right shoulder blade, and the name Holly
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  Speaker 1: tatou on his right wrist. So very identifiable tattoos now.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Harper was last seen on July third, twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: near Denver Street in Indianapolis, and other reports indicate his
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  Speaker 1: last known movements were near Colorado Street, Chester Street, and
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  Speaker 1: Denny Streets. Now, Thomas was known to spend time on
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  Speaker 1: the east Side near Tenth Street, and in areas between
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  Speaker 1: Michigan and New York Street. These neighborhoods were familiar to him,
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  Speaker 1: and he often visited friends and acquaintances there, so if
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  Speaker 1: you live in that area, you might have seen him
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  Speaker 1: or seen something now. Since Thomas was last seen, concern
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  Speaker 1: has grown among those who knew him. Family, friends, and
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  Speaker 1: community members have worked to raise awareness about his disappearance.
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  Speaker 1: Flyers have been distributed around Indianapolis, and post on social
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  Speaker 1: media have shared his photo and descriptions of his tattoos
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  Speaker 1: in hopes that someone out there may recognize him now.
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  Speaker 1: Despite all those efforts, though Thomas Harper has not been
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  Speaker 1: located now in the investigators with the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police
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  Speaker 1: Department have been working to trace Thomas's last known movements.
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  Speaker 1: Detectives have canvas the area where he was known to
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  Speaker 1: spend time and have searched for video footage that could
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  Speaker 1: provide new leads. Authorities believe someone out there may have
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  Speaker 1: information that could help locate him and give his family
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  Speaker 1: answers because we know that the families struggle so much
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  Speaker 1: when someone loved one goes missing. Now, if you have
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  Speaker 1: any information about the disappearance of Thomas Harper or DJ
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  Speaker 1: as he likes to go by, please contact the Indianapolis
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  Speaker 1: Metropolitan Police Department at three one seven three two seven
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  Speaker 1: six one six to zero. So please also share his story.
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  Speaker 1: Are missing Person's flyers because someone out there knows something,
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  Speaker 1: even if it's a very trivial thing, it could be
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  Speaker 1: just the thing that they need to break the case. Now.
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  Speaker 1: If you or someone you know have I loved one
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  Speaker 1: missing and are interested in having their story featured on
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  Speaker 1: an upcoming episode of Midday Missing or join us for
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  Speaker 1: a live interview, please contact us by emailing Terry T. E.
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  Speaker 1: R I at tcwtmedia dot com, or you can contact
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  Speaker 1: us through all of our social media accounts they answer them.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't participate in the social media, but
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  Speaker 1: I can say they do look at them every day
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  Speaker 1: and respond to people. So either way of contact works
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  Speaker 1: for us. Now, next is Lauren spier Oh, I'm sorry
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  Speaker 1: if I got your last name wrong, Lauren, I apologize.
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  Speaker 1: It's not not my sh and I should have looked
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  Speaker 1: that up and that's my fault. So we'll just call
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  Speaker 1: you Lauren now. Lauren was twenty years old when she
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  Speaker 1: disappeared on June third, twenty twenty eleven, after a night
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  Speaker 1: out in Bloomington, Indiana, the college town we were talking about. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Despite national media coverage and years of investigation, Laura has
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  Speaker 1: never been found and her case remains unsolved now. Lauren
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  Speaker 1: was born January seventeenth, nineteen ninety one, to Charlene and
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  Speaker 1: Robert Spiir Spirer Sorry. She grew up in Scarsdale, New York,
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  Speaker 1: a town in lower Westchester County. Lauren graduated from Edgemont
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  Speaker 1: High School in two thousand and nine and later enrolled
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  Speaker 1: at Indiana University, where she was studying Textiles merchandising.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: While attending IYU, Lauren was active in the Jewish community
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  Speaker 1: and had recently spent spring break play trees in Israel
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  Speaker 1: on behalf of the Jewish National Fund. Many of her
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  Speaker 1: closest friends at Indiana University were people she had known
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  Speaker 1: for years, including her boyfriend Jesse Wolfe and her friend
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  Speaker 1: Jay Rosenbaum, whom she had met earlier at Camp Towanda
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  Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. Now, on the night Lauren disappeared, she had
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  Speaker 1: been out drinking with several friends in Bloomington, as one
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  Speaker 1: does in a college town. You lived in one, We've
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  Speaker 1: all done it all right. However, her boyfriend was not
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  Speaker 1: with them that evening, but the couple exchanged text messages
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  Speaker 1: before he went to bed. According to witnesses, Lauren was
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  Speaker 1: very intoxicated during the night, and investigators later used surveillance
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  Speaker 1: footage and witness statements to create a timeline of her movements.
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  Speaker 1: Now they know that at approximately twelve thirty am on
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  Speaker 1: June third, twenty eleven, witnesses reported that Lauren left her
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  Speaker 1: apartment with a friend named David Ron. The two went
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  Speaker 1: to Jay Rosenbaum's apartment, where she met Corey Rossman, who
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  Speaker 1: lived next door. At one forty six am, So we're
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  Speaker 1: about an hour and fifteen minutes later, surveillance footage shows
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  Speaker 1: Lauren entering Kilroy's Sports Bar in Bloomington. It's almost closing time.
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  Speaker 1: At two twenty seven am, she was seen leaving the
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  Speaker 1: bar with Corey Rossman. Lauren had left her cell phone
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  Speaker 1: and her shoes behind at the bar after removing them
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  Speaker 1: while walking on the sand covered patio, Rossman walked with
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  Speaker 1: her towards her apartment complex. Now three minutes later, at
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  Speaker 1: approximately two thirty am, Lauren was seen entering the Smallwood
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  Speaker 1: Plaza apartments where she lived. A passer by named Zach
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  Speaker 1: Oakes noticed that she appeared heavily intoxicated and asked if
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  Speaker 1: she was okay at two forty eight ams so. Eighteen
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  Speaker 1: minutes later, after leaving the apartments, Lauren and Rossman entered
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  Speaker 1: an alley that runs between College Avenue and Morton Street.
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  Speaker 1: Security cameras captured them exiting the alley at two fifty
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  Speaker 1: one am and walking toward an empty lot. Her keys
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  Speaker 1: and purse were later found along the route through the alley. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is very interesting. Lauren and Rossman then arrived at
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  Speaker 1: Rossman's apartment. His roommate Michael Beth, was also there. Michael
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  Speaker 1: later stated that Rossman was extremely intoxicated and vomited on
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  Speaker 1: the carpet while going upstairs. I mean, this sounds honestly
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  Speaker 1: like regular college because Shenanigan's to be quite honest with you,
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  Speaker 1: as somebody who lives in a college town and may
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  Speaker 1: have done some of these things. It's pretty if you
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  Speaker 1: walk down the main street you see this. Is it
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  Speaker 1: the smartest there's probably not, but we all do it, well,
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  Speaker 1: not everybody, but a lot of people do now. Bess said,
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  Speaker 1: he well, Michael will call him Michael, because if I
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  Speaker 1: say his last ning, that's confusing. Michael Beth said he
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  Speaker 1: helped Rossman to bed and then tried to persuade Lauren
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  Speaker 1: to stay at the apartment because of her condition. According
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  Speaker 1: to Michael, Lauren said she wanted to return to her
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  Speaker 1: own apartment. Around three point thirty am, Michael Beth called
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  Speaker 1: his neighbor Jay Rosenbaum and asked him to come and
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  Speaker 1: help take care of Lauren. Michael said Lauren had been
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  Speaker 1: attempting to get him to drink with her at her
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  Speaker 1: own apartment. Lauren eventually went to Rosenbaum's apartment, but while there,
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  Speaker 1: Rosenbaum noticed a bruise under her eye. Which he believed
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  Speaker 1: may have come from a fall earlier in the evening.
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  Speaker 1: Lauren reportedly told him that she did not know how
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  Speaker 1: she got the bruce.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Two phone calls were made from Rosenbaum's phone shortly before
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  Speaker 1: Lauren reportedly left. Rosenbaum said Lauren made both calls, one
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  Speaker 1: to David Ron and another to a different friend. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Neither call was answered and no messages were left. At
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  Speaker 1: approximately four thirty am, Rosenbaum said Laura left his apartment.
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  Speaker 1: He reported seeing her at the intersection of Eleventh Street
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  Speaker 1: and College Avenue, heading south on College Avenue. Ooh, this
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  Speaker 1: is way late in the morning. Oh goodness. That was
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  Speaker 1: the last conformed site reported sighting of Lauren. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: later that morning, Jesse Woof sent Lauren a text message.
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  Speaker 1: The response he received came from an employee at Kilroy's
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  Speaker 1: Sports Bar who had her phone. Wolf then reported Lauren missing.
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  Speaker 1: In August twenty eleven, Bloomington Police and the FBI conducted
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  Speaker 1: a nine day's search of the Sycamore Ridge Landfill in Pimento,
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  Speaker 1: south of Terry House A landfill? How did they get
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  Speaker 1: to that conclusion? The landfill receives trash from Bloomington after
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  Speaker 1: it passes through a transfer station, but nothing has been
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  Speaker 1: reported as found. In April twenty fifteen, police examined a
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  Speaker 1: possible connection between lawrence disappearance and the murder of another
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  Speaker 1: Indiana University student, Hannah Wilson, who also disappeared after visiting
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  Speaker 1: Kilroy's That's That's Interesting. Wilson was later found murdered in
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  Speaker 1: Brown County, and a man named Daniel Messil was arrested
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  Speaker 1: and convicted of that crime. By July twenty fifteen, investigators determined, though,
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  Speaker 1: that the two cases were unrelated and that the similarities
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  Speaker 1: between them were coincidental. Okay, Mesil has never been charged
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  Speaker 1: in connection with lawrence disi appearance. On January twenty eighth,
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  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, investigators followed up on a lead and searched
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  Speaker 1: a property on Old Morgantown Road in mart Martinsville, about
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  Speaker 1: twenty miles north of Bloomington. The property was connected to
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  Speaker 1: a man named Justin Wagers. Cadaver dogs indicated potential evidence
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  Speaker 1: at the property, and investigators conducted a search of the
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  Speaker 1: barn and surrounding dirt but found nothing. Man. I would
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  Speaker 1: love to know how they got to that conclusion to
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  Speaker 1: have enough for a search. Oh, that's interesting. In twenty seventeen,
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  Speaker 1: Brown County Prosecutor Ted Adams stated he believed Daniel Messel
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  Speaker 1: could be connected to lawrence disappearance, unlike this statement made
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  Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen. Well, that's interesting. Mesl again has never
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  Speaker 1: been charged in the case. Now years have passed without
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  Speaker 1: you regarding Lauren's disappearance. On June third, twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: Laurence's parents released a statement marking the fourteenth anniversary of
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  Speaker 1: her disappearance. And I'm going to read the statement to
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  Speaker 1: you in full. June third, today marks fourteen years since
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  Speaker 1: laurence disappearance. Even as this year marks the day, I
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  Speaker 1: am anticipating next year, the fifteenth year. That's how quickly
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  Speaker 1: these days pass, one folding into the next, one year
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  Speaker 1: folding into the next. It has been a very long
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  Speaker 1: fourteen years, at times unbearable, at other times hopeful, never
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  Speaker 1: any resolution. The not knowing what happened on June third,
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  Speaker 1: the not knowing where Lauren's remains are, and the lack
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  Speaker 1: of any kind of closure is devastating, exhausting and endless. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: what you don't know can devastate you. Every year, on
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  Speaker 1: this day, I consider whether I should even post anything.
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  Speaker 1: It seems so futile. Sharing my thoughts is really about
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  Speaker 1: me and my longing for the truth, answers, and more importantly,
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  Speaker 1: as a reminder to those responsible that we will never forget.
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  Speaker 1: I can only try. My thanks to all who continue
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  Speaker 1: to remember Lauren and to those who have shown us
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  Speaker 1: unbelievable kindness. I hope with all my heart the day
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  Speaker 1: will come when the not knowing comes to an end
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  Speaker 1: and we can give Lauren the piece she deserves. To
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  Speaker 1: our dear Lauren and our hearts always. That is so
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  Speaker 1: gut wrenching and heartbreaking. Ah, poor family. And there's so
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  Speaker 1: many families that I feel the same thing all the
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  Speaker 1: time when they don't have answers. Now, someone out there
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  Speaker 1: knows something, all right. I don't think that's up for debate.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody out there knows something. And Lauren's family and friends
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  Speaker 1: deserve to know the truth about her disappearance. They deserve
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  Speaker 1: to have her brought home and given the proper respect
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  Speaker 1: that she deserves. Now, if you know anything, again, no
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  Speaker 1: matter how small or trivial it may be, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: you're wrong, and that's okay, please contact the Bloomington Police Department.
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  Speaker 1: At eight one, two, three, thirte nine, four, four, seven seven.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Kenda does say there's no coincidences and murder that
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  Speaker 1: he does. I love Lieutenant Joe Kenda. That's really that
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  Speaker 1: is a very very interesting story. I'm probably gonna look
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  Speaker 1: more into that because I am very curious. I want
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  Speaker 1: to see the route that she took. So many questions,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm not going to post right now, that's probably
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  Speaker 1: not appropriate. All right, you guys, Well, thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for joining me today. It really means a lot
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  Speaker 1: to us and to the families who are missing their
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  Speaker 1: loved ones. Maybe you don't know these people, but it
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  Speaker 1: does make a difference to them. They've said it such,
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  Speaker 1: bring their loved ones home. Okay, they deserve answers, And
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  Speaker 1: as I always say, until next time. I'm sure I'll
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  Speaker 1: guest guest host again sometime in the future. But if not,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: everybody have a wonderful day and go forth and be amazing.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: All right, Bye.
• 22:49
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