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- 0:00Welcome to NECF sermons.
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- 0:18Hallelujah!
- 0:19Yes, no distractions today.
- 0:20So that my suits will hold me down.
- 0:30Hallelujah!
- 0:32Praise God.
- 0:33Amen.
- 0:34Well, welcome to God's presence.
- 0:36It's good to see our faces.
- 0:39It's good to be in church this morning in the family of God this morning.
- 0:45And I want to thank our lead pastor, Pastor Frederick Letong, for the opportunity to share
- 0:51the word of God.
- 0:54This morning, I want to thank the associate pastors as well for their commitment to this
- 0:59work for the grace to teach the word, to learn the word and grow together in God.
- 1:05Hallelujah!
- 1:06This morning, we'll be building on what we have started.
- 1:11Right?
- 1:12We'll be building on what we have started.
- 1:15Our lead pastor led us through manifesting the kingdom of God, which is the theme of the
- 1:23year.
- 1:24Hallelujah!
- 1:25Can we say manifesting the kingdom of God?
- 1:29Say I will manifest the kingdom of God.
- 1:34And it helps us to understand what we have misunderstood, right, by heaven.
- 1:45It laid the foundation for us to understand what we have misunderstood as heaven.
- 1:52And the following we, Pastor Victor, picked up and took us through understanding the kingdom
- 1:57of God, right?
- 2:00Understanding the kingdom of God, manifesting the kingdom of God, understanding the kingdom
- 2:03of God.
- 2:04And this morning, you can choose any of either the topics, but for the sake of just saving
- 2:10the message, right, you can just call it the union with Christ.
- 2:14Okay?
- 2:15Our union with Christ.
- 2:17Because it took me time to actually find a topic.
- 2:20There's no crafting of any topic.
- 2:22We'll be going through the same topic all through the year, expansively checking the
- 2:27scripture to help us understand what manifesting the kingdom of God is.
- 2:36What understanding the kingdom of God is.
- 2:39But today you can just call it our union with Christ.
- 2:44And last week, Pastor Victor ended on a very important note that when a man believes that
- 2:53is how the man does what, access the kingdom of God.
- 2:56He comes into the kingdom of God.
- 2:58Right?
- 2:59So we're talking about John 3 verse 1 to 3 talking about Nicodemus and Christ's explanation
- 3:06to him that accepts a man be born again.
- 3:12He cannot be in the kingdom of God.
- 3:16And if you're not in the kingdom of God, you cannot manifest the kingdom of God.
- 3:21Okay?
- 3:22So I'm just recapping this because what we are doing this year is we are building up
- 3:26on everything.
- 3:27Right?
- 3:28We are building up on these teachings.
- 3:33So today I want to explain further.
- 3:35Right?
- 3:36I want to explain further what that being born again is.
- 3:40And I titled it our union with Christ.
- 3:43Hallelujah.
- 3:45Because when we understand this, our union with Christ, which has been born again, we
- 3:51are able to manifest.
- 3:53Right?
- 3:54In subsequent teachings we will go to manifest.
- 3:57But we need to understand our union with Christ.
- 3:59Because in our union with Christ, we will understand heaven very well.
- 4:04Right?
- 4:05We would understand what heaven is.
- 4:07John chapter 14.
- 4:10John chapter 14.
- 4:12You will hear a whole lot of things that you've heard in previous week again and again because
- 4:20that's to get into us.
- 4:22Then when we teach what manifestation is, you will be able to manifest.
- 4:28John chapter 14 from verse 1.
- 4:31It's a let not your heart be troubled, yet believe in God, believe also in me.
- 4:39In my father's house are many mansions.
- 4:42If it were not so, I would have told you, I go to prepare a place for you.
- 4:48That's three.
- 4:49And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you unto myself.
- 4:56That where I am, dear, ye may be also.
- 5:01Now the foundation of this kind of a teaching or this kind of a statement by Christ in chapter
- 5:0714 started from chapter 13.
- 5:10Okay?
- 5:11So someone can not just approach you and tell you not let not your heart be troubled.
- 5:17If your heart is not troubled by certain information that you have received.
- 5:22So there's only a source or there's only a need for comfort when there's an information
- 5:28that you have received and you are thinking it is not palatable to your mind, then you
- 5:33will be troubled.
- 5:34So if you go to chapter 13 verse 1, don't forget, when we read the scriptures, we have
- 5:40to read them in chunks, not just chapters.
- 5:45Because you have to squeeze five chapters together to understand what is taking place.
- 5:49So in chapter 13, it said, now before the feasts of the Passover, when Jesus knew that
- 5:57this hour is how has come to depart out of this world to the Father.
- 6:04Having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end.
- 6:10So it was about time for Christ to depart this world.
- 6:13He notes, he said to depart away from this world to where?
- 6:17To the Father.
- 6:19Right?
- 6:21To the Father.
- 6:22So you have to note that because in chapter 14, it began to explain what we call the Father's
- 6:28house in verse 2.
- 6:29So just look at chapter 14 verse 2.
- 6:31You should use hard copy Bible because to maneuver digital Bibles, it's not really helpful.
- 6:37You can't maneuver quickly, right?
- 6:39On a page, you can be seen the two chapters.
- 6:41So use your hard copy Bibles, we encourage that very well.
- 6:44So if you're in verse 2, you will see that what Jesus has said about the Father is now
- 6:52becoming very clear.
- 6:54He now explained that's what the Father's house.
- 6:58Right?
- 6:59So verse 13, because it was about to depart, let's go to chapter 13 verse 21.
- 7:08He said, after these things, Jesus was troubled in the spirit and testified, truly, truly
- 7:16I say to you, one of you will betray me.
- 7:20The disciples looked at one another, on the side of whom he spoke, one of the disciples
- 7:25whom the Lord was reclining at table at Jesus' side.
- 7:30So Simon Peter mentioned to him to ask Jesus of whom he was speaking.
- 7:34So that the disciples leaning back against Jesus said to him, Lord, who is it?
- 7:40Jesus answered, it is he to whom I will give this mussel of bread when I have dipped it.
- 7:47So when he had dipped the mussel, he gave it to Judas, the son of Simon is carried.
- 7:55Then after he had taken the mussel, Satan entered into him.
- 7:59Jesus said to him, what you are going to do, do it quickly.
- 8:03No one at the table knew what he said, knew why he said this to him.
- 8:08Some thought because Judas had the money back, Jesus was telling him, buy what we need for
- 8:13the feast or that should give something to the poor.
- 8:17So after receiving the mussel of bread, he immediately went out and it was night.
- 8:23Verse 13, sorry, verse 31.
- 8:25When he had gone out, Jesus said, now is the son of man glorified and God has glorified
- 8:31in him.
- 8:32If God has glorified in him, God will also glorify himself in him and glorify him at
- 8:40once.
- 8:41Little children, yet a little while I am with you.
- 8:46You will seek me and just as I said to the Jews, so now I say to you, where I am going,
- 8:52you cannot come.
- 8:53A new commandment I give to you that you love one another just as I have loved you.
- 9:00You are all, you also are to love one another by these all people will know that you're
- 9:06my disciples.
- 9:07If you love one another, rest six, Simon Peter said to him, Lord, where are you going?
- 9:14Jesus answered, where I am going, you cannot follow me now.
- 9:18Right now, but you will follow afterwards.
- 9:21Peter said to him, Lord, why can I not follow you now?
- 9:26I will lay down my life for you and Jesus said, will you lay down your life for me?
- 9:32Truly, truly, I say to you, the roster will not grow till you have denied me three times.
- 9:40Now the setting of this reading is one of a betrayal, right?
- 9:44Of a betrayal.
- 9:45So Jesus is saying, one of you will betray me, right?
- 9:49So everybody begins to wonder who is going to betray Jesus?
- 9:51Am I the one who's going to betray Jesus?
- 9:53Right?
- 9:54So Jesus was leaning close to him, began to ask the question.
- 10:00Another thing we see here, he said that I will go, I will depart from you.
- 10:03For a little while, you will not see me.
- 10:05Right?
- 10:06This somebody who has discipled them for three years, right?
- 10:10Three and a half years, they're about, and he's saying you will not see me again.
- 10:15Because of him, they have done many things on the streets.
- 10:18They have scattered the message of the kingdom to the streets.
- 10:24And now, the one who is leading the people who would share, or who have been sharing
- 10:30the message is departing.
- 10:32So you can imagine the state of mind that the disciples find themselves.
- 10:36But he says something that they missed.
- 10:38He said, where I am going, you cannot do what, you cannot go with me now.
- 10:45You cannot go with me now where I'm going.
- 10:46But afterwards, you would follow after.
- 10:50Right?
- 10:51You would follow after.
- 10:52So we see that, let your heart not be troubled is very important.
- 10:58Right?
- 10:59Let your heart not be troubled is very important because of the parameters of betrayal, of
- 11:03Jesus going, yet mentioning is returning.
- 11:09So therefore, chapter 14 is actually explaining something much more clearly about the going
- 11:15of Jesus.
- 11:16Hallelujah.
- 11:17Are we together?
- 11:18Chapter 14, therefore, is explaining clearly about his going.
- 11:23So he said, let not your heart be troubled.
- 11:26Believe in God.
- 11:28You believe in God.
- 11:29Right?
- 11:30Believe also in me.
- 11:31Okay?
- 11:32Believe also in me.
- 11:33Now, when you go for evangelism, right, and someone tells you they believe in God.
- 11:40Okay?
- 11:41Believe in God.
- 11:42You need to always ask them, what do you believe about God?
- 11:46Okay?
- 11:47Because when somebody believes in God, it means, it should mean that he believes in
- 11:54Christ.
- 11:55That's what you see there.
- 11:56Believe in God.
- 11:57Believe also in me.
- 11:59So if someone said they believe in God, it means they believe Christ.
- 12:02So when the person believe in God, and they believe not Christ, then they don't believe
- 12:08in God.
- 12:09He's not talking about the existence of God.
- 12:11He's not talking about, oh, I know there's a diet up there.
- 12:14Right?
- 12:15He's not talking about that.
- 12:16We're going to read it as we proceed in verse two and verse three.
- 12:20He's not talking about the mere existence of God.
- 12:23He's talking about the Christ and what the Christ will do.
- 12:30So he said, believe in God.
- 12:32Believe also in me.
- 12:33In my father's house.
- 12:34Who remembers what the pastor called this?
- 12:36Father's house.
- 12:37The word father's house in Greek.
- 12:40What is the word?
- 12:41Can we coerce it?
- 12:43The father's house in Greek, what's the word?
- 12:45Oikea, right?
- 12:46Oikea, good.
- 12:47Oikea.
- 12:48And it means what?
- 12:51Dwelling.
- 12:52Household.
- 12:53Hallelujah.
- 12:54Right?
- 12:55It means household, which means a family as well.
- 12:59Okay?
- 13:00A family.
- 13:01So in my father's house, there are many rooms.
- 13:03Who remember what the rooms are?
- 13:04The word in Greek for rooms.
- 13:08Let's coerce it.
- 13:09Monet.
- 13:10Right?
- 13:11You should know this word.
- 13:12And that is dwelling.
- 13:13Right?
- 13:14That is dwelling.
- 13:15So Jesus provides clarity on where Christ is going.
- 13:19Right?
- 13:20And where the disciples need not to be troubled.
- 13:23Right?
- 13:24So they need not to be troubled because he's going somewhere.
- 13:29And that place is the father's house.
- 13:32First, we see that believing in the fact that Christ is going to the father's house is creating
- 13:40a space is key.
- 13:42Because you already said that in verse one.
- 13:46So believe in God, believe also in me.
- 13:48We said it's not about the existence.
- 13:49But believing in what Christ would do.
- 13:53In my father's house, Oikea, which is family, there are many rooms which is a dwelling.
- 14:00Now let me ask a question to church.
- 14:06If you say, okay, let me put it this other way.
- 14:12When we talk about a family and a household, when we talk about a family and a household,
- 14:20do we mean the building or the people?
- 14:25Do we mean the building or the people?
- 14:28The people.
- 14:29Right?
- 14:31So it would mean that Jesus talking about a household here is not talking about a building.
- 14:40He's not talking about a physical structure that you can touch and you can feel.
- 14:46We're going to see that from the scriptures.
- 14:49So it's not talking about a physical structure that you can feel.
- 14:51So if I say my family is in the church, right, I'm talking about the place I live.
- 14:55I'm talking about my family building.
- 14:57But I'm talking about the people.
- 14:59Right?
- 15:00So he's trying to say that in my going, I will, right?
- 15:11He said, in my father's house, there are many rooms.
- 15:14Okay, let's, let's read that once a little bit before I make my statement.
- 15:17He said, if it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?
- 15:22Verse three, if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and we will take you
- 15:29to myself.
- 15:30So Jesus is saying that I will go and establish this household, right?
- 15:37Provide access, make available this household.
- 15:42That's then I will come again to you.
- 15:46That's where I am.
- 15:47You will be.
- 15:49So I go to prepare a place, right?
- 15:51I go to make a place.
- 15:53He's simply talking about Christ going to make something accessible to us.
- 16:00Okay?
- 16:01So he's saying that Christ, I go to prepare a place is that I'm going to make this family
- 16:08something you can assess.
- 16:13I go to a place.
- 16:15It means I go to make this accessible.
- 16:18So in my father's house, there are many rooms, verse three, just jump to verse three, said,
- 16:23I go to make this family accessible for you.
- 16:26Then when it is accessible, thank you for that scripture, I will come again.
- 16:31Two things.
- 16:32I go to prepare the place.
- 16:34I will come again and we take you to myself.
- 16:38So three things, right?
- 16:39Three things we can pick there.
- 16:41It's going to make the place accessible.
- 16:43When the place is accessible, it's not just going to go.
- 16:47He will come again, right?
- 16:49And when he comes again, what will happen?
- 16:52He will take us to what?
- 16:54To himself.
- 16:56Good.
- 16:58Now that word or the phrase, I go to prepare a place for you is actually referring to the
- 17:05death of Christ.
- 17:07Okay?
- 17:08So you can write it down.
- 17:09It refers to the death of Christ because it destroys death and his resurrection.
- 17:15As the family of God, the Oikea is made available as a dwelling.
- 17:24Through the death and resurrection of Christ, the family of God is made accessible as a
- 17:32dwelling, is made available as a place.
- 17:35So no one could actually come in without the death and resurrection of Christ.
- 17:42But that is why he said, I will go and come again, referring to his resurrection.
- 17:49In that said, please leave the description on the screen, please.
- 17:52In that said, I will take you to myself.
- 17:56So we see death, we see resurrection, and we see union with Christ.
- 18:01I'm using the word union, right?
- 18:03For those of you that know the word ascension, I'm not using it here because the ascension
- 18:07needs to be taught much more clearly.
- 18:10But it's union.
- 18:11Right?
- 18:13The death, the burial, resurrection, and the union with Christ.
- 18:18So therefore, the Oikea, right?
- 18:23The Oikea is actually, okay, let me backtrack.
- 18:31We've gotten the three points, right?
- 18:32Did we get the three points?
- 18:34We got the three points, the death, the burial, and the union with Christ.
- 18:37Now if we say that what this scripture is saying is actually a particular futuristic
- 18:46event today, we say that it's something that will happen in the future and has not happened.
- 18:53It will mean that Jesus has not fulfilled his promise to the disciples.
- 19:00It means that nobody is in union with Christ.
- 19:06Nobody has access to the kingdom of God.
- 19:11Nobody has access to the family of God.
- 19:15So if we say that this is something that is to come, it means that the house of God is
- 19:19still empty.
- 19:20If there's something like that, and nobody have access.
- 19:27But indeed, since we say that it is the death and the resurrection, it means that the access
- 19:32to that house, to that family is available.
- 19:37Are we together?
- 19:38The access to that family is available.
- 19:42Therefore, the disciples now, since the death and resurrection has taken place, the disciples
- 19:49we can say they are in union with Christ.
- 19:52And we that have believed are also in union with Christ.
- 19:55We are in God's family.
- 19:57So therefore, there will be a union in Christ's family, as at the time of this writing, there
- 20:03was no union, right?
- 20:04But we will see that there's a union after Christ has died and he has resurrected.
- 20:12Now let's go to Ephesians chapter two.
- 20:17Ephesians chapter two, verse six.
- 20:20Or let's go to verse 17.
- 20:22Let's start with verse 17.
- 20:25We'll come back to verse six.
- 20:28Verse 17.
- 20:29He said, and he came and preached peace to you who were afar off and peace to those who
- 20:35were near.
- 20:36For through him, we both have what?
- 20:40Access in one spirit to the what?
- 20:44The Father.
- 20:45He said, for through him, we both have access in one spirit to what?
- 20:51So the Father.
- 20:52John 13 is going to the Father, right?
- 20:56John 14 is going to the Father's house, right?
- 20:59He's preparing the Father's house.
- 21:01Here we now see in Ephesians, after the dead and all pertaining to him are taking place.
- 21:07We see that we now have access.
- 21:09Now let's continue reading.
- 21:11So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints
- 21:17and members of the what, the household of God, which is the same word, oikea.
- 21:22Here they use it as oikos, right?
- 21:26Household of God.
- 21:27Same root word.
- 21:30So what we see here is that John 14 is talking about our union with Christ.
- 21:34Are we together?
- 21:36It's talking about what?
- 21:37Our union with Christ.
- 21:38Now let's go to Ephesians five.
- 21:43Ephesians five.
- 21:44Ephesians five from verse 25.
- 21:48It says, husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
- 21:58that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the blood,
- 22:05so that he might present the church to himself in splendor without spot or wrinkle or any
- 22:15such thing that might, that she might be holy and without blemish.
- 22:20In the same way, husband should love their wives as their own bodies.
- 22:25He who loves his wife, love himself for no one have hated his own flesh, but nourishes,
- 22:31cherishes it just as Christ does the church.
- 22:35Because we are members of his body, therefore shall a man, therefore a man shall leave his
- 22:40father and mother and hold fast to his wife and the two shall become one flesh.
- 22:46This mystery is profound.
- 22:48And I am saying that it refers to what?
- 22:51To Christ and what?
- 22:53The church.
- 22:54However, let it be of you love his wife as himself and let his wife sees that they respect
- 23:00their husband.
- 23:01So what we see here again is the understanding of union.
- 23:06So we can say that John chapter 14 and Ephesians 5 from verse 25 downwards is actually explaining
- 23:14one thing that is common, which is union with Christ.
- 23:19So we see present the church to himself, right?
- 23:21Present the church to himself means both Christ and the church are together.
- 23:26Did we see that?
- 23:28Both Christ and the church are together.
- 23:30His own flesh, they become one flesh.
- 23:33We see union in that as well, right?
- 23:38And it says this mystery refers to what?
- 23:40Christ and the church.
- 23:46To therefore say that our union with Christ is something that will happen in the future
- 23:52in a particular location is a wrong teaching.
- 23:57Okay?
- 23:59So there is no, I know many of us are already thinking of Thessalonians and we'll go there,
- 24:04right?
- 24:05It's just in so many, we'll go there.
- 24:06There is no scriptures, right?
- 24:08That says that our union, right, is something futuristic.
- 24:13Future, that's when we would be united, but no, there's nothing like that.
- 24:18The scripture that comes to your mind is 1 Thessalonians 5 and we're going to read it
- 24:24and explain it.
- 24:25So therefore, right now we can say that we are in union with Christ, okay?
- 24:31We can say we are in union with Christ.
- 24:33We are already with Christ, but we are in this body.
- 24:39It's like saying that you are married, okay?
- 24:46You're married and your husband is absent in your present location, maybe where you
- 24:53are.
- 24:55And the person probably just took a trip out and you say because he's not physically present,
- 25:01you are not married.
- 25:04That is what we do when we say we are not in union with Christ because you are not saying
- 25:09Christ is physically present in a spiritual body, right?
- 25:12They're saying, oh, we are not in union with him, right?
- 25:17But while that can happen in a real life situation, it doesn't happen with God, okay?
- 25:22When it comes to spirituals, it doesn't.
- 25:23You are in union with Christ.
- 25:27You are in union with Christ.
- 25:28So our union with Christ is not something futuristic, but something that has taken place
- 25:32at the moment we believe.
- 25:35Now let's now check Thessalonians 5 that said that we will be caught up, right?
- 25:45We will be caught up with him.
- 25:47Let's go to 1 Thessalonians 5.
- 25:49I'm not going to explain everything, just a few things there from verse 13.
- 25:55He said, but now we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are
- 26:02asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope.
- 26:08For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so through Jesus, God will bring
- 26:14with him those who are falling asleep.
- 26:17For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord that we who are alive, who are left
- 26:24until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who are falling asleep.
- 26:29For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of a command, with the voice of
- 26:33an archangel and with the sound of the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ who rise for
- 26:38us.
- 26:39For we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with him, with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
- 26:49So we will always be with the Lord.
- 26:52Therefore encourage one another in these.
- 26:55Now this place, if you just read it this way, and you put your holy wood mind or your nolly
- 27:03wood mind or your bully wood mind into thinking, what you will see is graves open, some people
- 27:14levitating up, and you that you are alive, you are joining them, right, if you try to
- 27:21follow the scriptures.
- 27:23Because it says that those who are alive and are left, we will be caught up.
- 27:29You know what caught up means, you will be going up, right, together with them, those
- 27:35who are in the clouds also, to meet with the Lord, we are in the air.
- 27:39A-I-R, I don't mind.
- 27:43So in the air, right, you would, so if you put such kind of a mind on this is what you
- 27:48will see.
- 27:50And that would mean, you now translate that heaven is the cloud, and heaven is the sky.
- 27:58That is not heaven.
- 28:00Okay, because what the scripture means, just two words, we just do two word study and we
- 28:06will clarify that our union with Christ has taken place, and this place is not talking
- 28:11about a union, this place is talking about a congregation, a coming together of people
- 28:16who are already united.
- 28:18So you can write it down, that 1 Corinthians, 1 Thessalonians 4, sorry, 1 Thessalonians
- 28:254, verse 13 to 18 is talking about people who are already in union, but they are coming
- 28:33for a conference, if you can put it that way, they are coming for a congregation.
- 28:38It's congregating, it's not talking about union, because union has taken place when
- 28:44they believed.
- 28:48So this part is talking about congregating, people coming together.
- 28:54So why did I say it's not a union, but it's actually coming together?
- 28:59Verse 17 says, we who are alive, we will be caught up.
- 29:04First, that caught up word, there's no up there.
- 29:08Okay, you can, it's a phrase, don't split it.
- 29:11If you split it, it will mean, caught up means you will translate it to you going up.
- 29:17So where do we find these other words?
- 29:19Matthew 11 verse 12, the word is actually apagia, right, in Greek.
- 29:32The word is actually apagia in Greek, H-A-R-P-A-Z-O, apagio, apagio means pens.
- 29:41H-A-R-P-A-Z-O, that word caught up is apagia.
- 29:49It means to be taken, it means to be taken.
- 29:53In places where it appears, it is used as to be taken together with something, to be
- 29:59taken.
- 30:00It has nothing to do with people moving into the sky.
- 30:05Now let's read Matthew 11, 12, can you quickly give me Matthew 11, 12?
- 30:13From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence
- 30:17and the violence are parjoined by force, they take it.
- 30:24Does it mean that the violence are going up into the sky?
- 30:27No, it doesn't mean that.
- 30:31Matthew 13, 19, quickly, Matthew 13, 19.
- 30:34We're trying to debunk the idea that the cloud is heaven and we are going to participate
- 30:41in something.
- 30:43When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes
- 30:47and snatches it away, that's the word, to take away, to take away what has been sown,
- 30:55right?
- 30:56To take away.
- 30:58The next scripture, John 6, 15.
- 31:03John 6, 15.
- 31:08Meaning that they were about to come and take him by force to make him king, take.
- 31:14The word take.
- 31:16Now let me show you two places where it was used as cut up as well.
- 31:21Second Corinthians 12, 2 verse 4 and Revelation 12, verse 5.
- 31:27If you have wisdom, you know now.
- 31:29The moment I call revelation, you know what that will be.
- 31:32So second Corinthians 12, verse 2 to 4 and Revelation 12, verse 5.
- 31:40In these two places, the word apadu was used as cut up, was translated as cut up.
- 31:47Now let's go to second Corinthians.
- 31:48I know a man in Christ who 14 years ago was cut up to the third heavens, whether in the
- 31:55body or out of the body, I do not know.
- 31:59God knows.
- 32:00We know that this man was cut up into paradise, whether in the body or out of the body, I
- 32:05do not know.
- 32:07God knows, right?
- 32:09And he had things that cannot be told, which man cannot alter.
- 32:13Paul is referring to a vision here, right?
- 32:16It's related to a vision, not a physical event taking place.
- 32:21He's referring to a vision.
- 32:23Verse 12, verse 5 is also used as cut up, which is also a vision.
- 32:30Okay?
- 32:32So it means that you cannot take vision literally.
- 32:35Actually, even in that place, he refers to, he was taken into the heavens, which means
- 32:40taken into a spiritual realm.
- 32:43Not Paul, even in that vision, he was not levitating.
- 32:47He was actually taken into a spiritual realm, right?
- 32:52That's the meaning.
- 32:53An unseen realm, immaterial world, right?
- 32:57And he was told things that could not be altered.
- 33:00So these are the only two scriptures that actually use the word cut up.
- 33:05And we have seen that it only means to be taken.
- 33:09Now when we go to 1 Thessalonians 4, 1 Thessalonians 4, it would therefore mean that we can read
- 33:17it this way.
- 33:19Then we who are alive and who are left will be taken together with them in the clouds.
- 33:29Now let's deal with clouds.
- 33:30We have dealt with cut up.
- 33:32You have been, you know, you have been cut up with your rules.
- 33:35You know what that means, right?
- 33:36You were not levitating when you got caught up with Instagram rules.
- 33:40So it means that you cannot just use word, just give them a wrong interpretation.
- 33:45Now the word clouds is air, I don't know, you said in the air in some places, it's AER,
- 33:54right?
- 33:55The word cloud in 1 Thessalonians 4 verse 17 is AER, oh no, not, pardon, excuse me.
- 34:04Okay, that's air, that's something else.
- 34:07Now the word clouds, the word clouds is not air, sorry.
- 34:11It has another Greek word, but what it simply means is actually referring to a congregation
- 34:21which we see in Hebrews, right?
- 34:24We see this word in Hebrews.
- 34:26Let's go to Hebrews.
- 34:27Let's go to Hebrews.
- 34:28I will explain the air there, but cloud refers to a people.
- 34:35Hebrews chapter 12, Hebrews chapter 12 verse 1, this is one place where we can see.
- 34:42It said, therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of what?
- 34:51Of witnesses, right?
- 34:54So great a cloud of what?
- 34:56Witnesses.
- 34:57The witnesses are those who are witnesses of the faith, right?
- 35:02People who have witnessed the faith, and we see Hebrews 11 mention a number of them that
- 35:07have believed the message.
- 35:09Are we together?
- 35:10Are we together?
- 35:12So this cloud of witnesses are the same people.
- 35:17We will come together and we'll form a cloud, which will form a congregation.
- 35:25So yes, there is a time that will come where this world, this mortality will give up for
- 35:32the immortality to come in.
- 35:33Yes, there's a time.
- 35:34Nobody is saying there is no time where everything would end.
- 35:38There's a time.
- 35:39But that time is not what you always refer to as rapture.
- 35:45It is not a time.
- 35:47Let me tell you what I wrote here.
- 35:49I said it is not a time of disappearance, right?
- 35:53It is not a time of disappearance.
- 35:56You can write it down.
- 35:58It is not a day you will not know about.
- 36:05It is not a day you will not know if you are in the Lord or not.
- 36:09It is not a day of you will now realize, oh, I've not been serving God all my life.
- 36:15It's not.
- 36:16It is the day where because you have believed in God, you will congregate with those who
- 36:22have believed in God and have slept in the Lord.
- 36:26Means they have died and they are buried.
- 36:28So it means they will rise and we who are alive, we will congregate with them.
- 36:34Do we get it?
- 36:35It's not going to the sky.
- 36:36It has nothing to do with the sky.
- 36:38Right?
- 36:39So forget those movies.
- 36:41So it is not a day of levitating to the sky.
- 36:44It is not a day of uncertainty.
- 36:46The movies we watch will show that, oh, I was not sure.
- 36:49Oh, and I've been serving God.
- 36:50They will now show you one place.
- 36:53Ah, he did not forgive his brother.
- 36:55Oh, that is why.
- 36:57Oh, before he entered the church, he just insulted somebody.
- 37:01And that is why he did not make it.
- 37:04It doesn't work like that.
- 37:05That is not what the scripture is saying.
- 37:07It said those of you that are in the Lord, right, that are alive.
- 37:13Are you not in the Lord?
- 37:14Are you not in union with the Lord?
- 37:18Let's continue.
- 37:19So it is not a day of uncertainty.
- 37:20You are certain, you know, right, that they will come and you know that you are in the
- 37:24Lord.
- 37:25And you will gather in that congregation.
- 37:28And that congregation, I said I refuse to call it the rapture, right, the way we all
- 37:32because in fact, there's no word like that.
- 37:33But because they've gone to this place to teach that that's rapture, right.
- 37:37Now rapture is actually your union with Christ.
- 37:42It's actually the same word to be taken in with Christ.
- 37:45The indwelling of God is actually your rapture.
- 37:51Do we get it?
- 37:52Your union with Christ, it means to come together with Christ.
- 37:57Right.
- 37:58What is happening in first Thessalonians is everybody that has come to it is like, let
- 38:02me give you an example.
- 38:03They call for a conference.
- 38:07They call for a conference of engineers.
- 38:09Right.
- 38:10They say all engineers should come for this conference.
- 38:15Is it when they call for that conference that the engineers are made or before that conference
- 38:21the engineers were made?
- 38:23Before the conference they were made.
- 38:26So it's not rapture that is not this gathering that is making you enter into the kingdom
- 38:34of God.
- 38:35Do we get it?
- 38:37But you are gathering with people who are in the kingdom of God.
- 38:44We are gathering with people who are in the kingdom of God.
- 38:48This meeting, it is not a meeting of salvation.
- 38:55This meeting it will happen.
- 38:56It is not a meeting of salvation.
- 39:01It is not a meeting to establish the kingdom of God.
- 39:07It is a meeting that those who are in the kingdom of God will come together as one.
- 39:16Okay.
- 39:17All right.
- 39:18Now let's go further.
- 39:19First Thessalonians 4.
- 39:20I mean I'm sure pastors will still give us more on that as the year.
- 39:25Let's go back to First Thessalonians 4.
- 39:28It says, meet the Lord in the air.
- 39:32Okay.
- 39:33To meet the Lord in the air and so we will always be with the Lord.
- 39:38If you read this well and you want to apply justice to what you have been thinking, to
- 39:42meet the Lord in the air therefore we and the Lord will be in the air suspended there
- 39:47and we will be there forever with him.
- 39:49That is what it will mean if you take it literally.
- 39:54So we will always be with the Lord because we will meet him in the air and he will be
- 39:58in the air.
- 40:00So it therefore means that we cannot use direct literal words to explain these things because
- 40:07they are spiritual realities.
- 40:10All right the air just like I said is the word AER or AEMI.
- 40:18Let's go to Acts 22 verse 23.
- 40:31Which is the place where this word was also used.
- 40:34This is the place where this word was also used.
- 40:36And as they were shouting and throwing off their clothes and flinging dusts in the air.
- 40:43So this is used directly describing what someone saw taking place.
- 40:50What someone saw taking place which is throwing things into the space, into the atmosphere.
- 40:56So it's used not figuratively here but directly.
- 41:01All right 1 Corinthians 9 verse 26.
- 41:06So I do not run aimlessly.
- 41:08I do not box as one beating the air.
- 41:12So now he's talking about making things or doing things fruitlessly.
- 41:20So he's talking about I'm not being fruitless in this place.
- 41:23I do run with a target.
- 41:26So I'm not hazzardly doing things.
- 41:29So beating the air does not mean punching the air.
- 41:31Here it's used figuratively.
- 41:34So we've seen a place where it's used literally.
- 41:36A place which we can take it figuratively because beating the air means doing something
- 41:40that has no yield result.
- 41:42First Corinthians 14 verse 9.
- 41:47First Corinthians 14 verse 9.
- 41:50So with yourself, if with your tongue you utter speech that is not intelligible, how
- 41:58will anyone know what is said?
- 42:01For you'll be speaking into the air, right?
- 42:04You're speaking into the air means no one can comprehend, right?
- 42:08Which is similar to beating the air.
- 42:10The two used figuratively, right?
- 42:14Now let me show you the main scripture that now.
- 42:16So it means that this word can be used figuratively and it can be used literally.
- 42:20And you cannot transpose the meaning in either of the two contexts.
- 42:26Now the main scripture that now give us understanding to this is Ephesians 2.
- 42:32Ephesians 2 brings us close to it.
- 42:38Ephesians 2.
- 42:39Ephesians 2 verse 1.
- 42:41Just give me Ephesians 2 verse 1 to 2.
- 42:45And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once worked following the course
- 42:52of this world, following the Prince of the power of the air.
- 42:58What is the Prince of the power of the air?
- 43:00The spirit that is now at work in the sons of what?
- 43:05Disobedience.
- 43:06So what is the power of it?
- 43:08No, no, just understand that.
- 43:09What is the power of the air?
- 43:11The spirit that is now at work.
- 43:13So it's talking about a spiritual.
- 43:15Air is used as a spiritual reality.
- 43:19A spiritual realm.
- 43:21So if you go to verses 1, it's not talking about the atmosphere, but it's talking about
- 43:28the spiritual realm.
- 43:31That at the end, we will be in the spiritual realm with those that are falling asleep and
- 43:38we will meet the Lord in that realm.
- 43:42And there we will be forever.
- 43:47Are we together?
- 43:48He says, so we will always be with the Lord.
- 43:52Now I now try to check if there is anything before verse 18 because verse 18 says, encourage
- 44:00each other with these words.
- 44:02Right?
- 44:03So I check maybe between verse 17 and 18, there is something that added streets of gold.
- 44:11Something that added heaven as a hall where God is sitting and there's cloud, street of
- 44:19gold, you know, where all the houses and mansions that we have misinterpreted in John 14, maybe
- 44:30they managed to insert it there.
- 44:33What I checked and there was nothing.
- 44:36These therefore meaning that since we are united with God, we are in union with Christ
- 44:44on this earth, what is left for us, right, is to gather together as a people that are
- 44:52in union with Christ and stay with him in the spiritual realm forever.
- 45:01So therefore, heaven is not a physical location, just like Pastor started teaching us.
- 45:09Heaven is not a physical location.
- 45:12The mansions are not in physical.
- 45:15Thank God we started with that explanation.
- 45:18First Corinthians 15 verse 42 to 45.
- 45:21Let me show you one thing that complements first Thessalonians for Pastor Victor already
- 45:26told us that last week.
- 45:28He mentioned it.
- 45:32That's what is left for the believer.
- 45:36Okay, so exactly the same scriptures.
- 45:40So let's read from, no, I mean first Corinthians 15, 42 to 48.
- 45:48So is it with the resurrection of the dead.
- 45:51Just here in the scripture, someone will say, does it mean that Pastor Mario is teaching
- 46:00that there's no resurrection of the dead?
- 46:03That's not what I'm teaching, okay.
- 46:04I already told you there's a day, right, where those who have slept in Christ would rise
- 46:10again.
- 46:11If you read first Corinthians 15, there was an argument about those who said there's no
- 46:15more resurrection or the resurrection has passed or something like that.
- 46:20This one is explaining to us much more that there's actually a day, right, a day that
- 46:25was saw in first Thessalonians of such where the perishable, right, will give up and the
- 46:33imperishable will be taken up.
- 46:35So is it with the resurrection of the dead?
- 46:38What is son imperishable?
- 46:40What is son perishable?
- 46:41What is raised is imperishable.
- 46:45It is son in the son, it is raised in glory.
- 46:47It is son in weakness, it is raised in power.
- 46:50It is son in a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
- 46:54If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
- 47:00Thus it is written the first Adam became a living being and the last Adam became a life-giving
- 47:06spirit.
- 47:08But it is not the spirit that is first but the natural, then the spiritual.
- 47:13The first man was from the earth, a man of those and the second man is from heaven.
- 47:19And as was the man of those, so also are those who are of the dust.
- 47:27And as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of what's heaven.
- 47:33Just as we are born the image of the man of those, we will also be the image of what's
- 47:39the man of heaven, right?
- 47:43We will be Adam.
- 47:44So here he's talking about a spiritual body that the believer would receive, right?
- 47:50To give up our existence in this physical body.
- 47:56So that is what is left for the believer.
- 47:59Hallelujah.
- 48:01That is what is left for the believer.
- 48:03To be able to exist in the spiritual realm, we will take up this spiritual body.
- 48:11Because Christ has it.
- 48:13Hallelujah.
- 48:14We appreciate you being here today.
- 48:18We hope you carried this word with you throughout your week.
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