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Talks to Peter Cuminskey about his choice of The Romans (3/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to hamster was a blunt penknife.
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  This is mr. Peter and hello.
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  And this is hello. I'm my name is Joe Ford.
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  I've done one or two of these. Welcome to episode 3 of the
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  Romans, which is called conspiracy.
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  It's know that all roads lead to Rome.
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  Oh I see they are traitors all roads lead to Rome conspiracy
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  infernal. Boom and I are I wonder what
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  could be going on next. They are obviously, as usual.
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  I've got a question for you at the start of this episode.
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  Do gone is the treatment of Barbara in this a little
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  problematic. No.
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  Okay. I think it's that was a very
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  succinct answer. Thank you.
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  I think it's all about the context.
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  I think not just wet when it was made, I think, I think she's in
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  the court of Nero. I think that Yeah.
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  What. Okay, but I feel like I'm gonna
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  get canceled. I'm glad that I'm not very
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  active on Twitter. Have you heard this podcast?
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  I'm just I don't have your app but the fact that I haven't been
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  cancelled yet, if it got that miracle, if this wasn't a
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  comedy, would it be a problem? Yeah, probably, yeah, but do
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  not, I mean like there's a lot of Barbara being So, of a target
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  of pursuit or juvenile phase basil.
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  In case of fairness? Yeah, an object really mentions
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  that I mean, no. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think
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  that a lot of stars I was reading about the fact, this
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  probably came about because there's Derek Francis was
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  friends with Jaclyn Hill and her husband and you've been
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  apparently badgering them for Apart since the very start.
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  So I think this was probably if not written for him then it was
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  the whole business is basically like, right?
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  It's family friend, Plus Let's chase around and have a bit of
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  fun, fun in it. And I think it is a bit
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  unfortunate. I'm sure I've read that this was
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  broadcast on the evening of Churchill's.
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  Winston Churchill State, funeral being on TV.
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  Oh wow. Okay.
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  Or if not the Deer then it was like the day after saw that I've
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  read very stuff about the mood at the time are not have been at
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  is an awkward juxtaposition of programs if they went on after
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  the other. This and now for something a bit
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  lighter, although I don't think this would be dumb.
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  Now, you wouldn't have other Amy potent being chased around by a
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  sec spaced? Would you not me me?
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  Does the Chaser we see the end of the Angels two-parter?
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  It's also scary started on that, right?
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  But there's also and Jim's. The first has it has an eye on
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  Ryan was he calling a Nubian Princess or something?
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  Yeah. Yes.
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  Because basically I'm going to spend the entire half hour
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  laughing at this, but I wanted to just get the any awkwardness
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  out of the way now. I'm kind of like my friend
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  Fraser, who I was talking about with this this morning said
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  that, he thought he loves his story but he finds this episode
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  really uncomfortable to watch. He's in the disadvantageous
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  position of being. One of the few straight men that
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  likes Doctor Who so seeing women Menace like this is not really
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  as bag, but I think that there's or I'd find that a lot more
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  uncomfortable to watch the keys of marinus situation because the
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  mountain this is real. And I think that we'll talk, And
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  what Barbara's intelligence and the fact that, you know, that
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  she's going to outwit him, you know that he's a buffoon, he's a
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  bit, it's so high end, isn't it where it's almost like a trump
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  esque? Like he is like a caricature of
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  a, is just running around after the and, you know, that she's
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  going to just like to know. I believe, I believe there is
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  footage of trump running around the White House after one of
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  his, you know, thing. Let's not go there.
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  Well, okay. Well, let's skip into episode 3.
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  Yeah, let's let's be the judge also because we're watching, I'm
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  going to count as in here. Yes, four, three, two, one off
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  we go. There is a lot of comedy in this
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  episode though. I think this might be the most
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  overtly comic Doctor. Who it isn't?
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  It? I mean, we're so looking at it
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  actually survives Because can you imagine all of the I mean I
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  mean I've got the audio, the color, I never know what I call
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  it when it's the Lost episode. It's not a lost episode but it's
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  rated by William Russell. Our lights out soundtrack the
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  soundtrack. Yeah, the Ritz Entre, but
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  imagine some of these If that's the only thing you've got to go
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  on, it would be at Celestial toymaker level of where, what
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  the hell's going on on screen at the moment and you know, the
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  imagine that any snap. So just be barbecuing, you know
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  what I mean? Yeah.
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  And that's if you survive for this or not.
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  But yeah, there's obviously there's some stories where the,
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  where the Dawn and obviously the mythmakers it's that wasn't so
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  bad Made series 3. Isn't When the walls didn't want
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  this pain for the mirror and the Mythic is one where.
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  Again, there's a lot of business that probably isn't picked up on
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  the audio and I feel like would be missing so much.
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  Without this myth makers is another one like this though,
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  isn't it? Where it is very funny, but boys
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  got a bite, you know? Well, that one is very much
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  three episodes of Comedy followed by a final episode of
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  bleakness. Mmm, I'll say that's through of
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  the gun fires. Well, the gun fires is 3x.
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  Yeah, just yeah, it's like a bloodbath.
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  Mmm. Yeah, that's true.
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  And up all those sorry to say, this doesn't end with like, you
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  know, something dramatic happening.
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  All of Rome is burning and when the score is quite a lot of
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  people dislocated or click default like on top.
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  Yeah, I mean, I don't know what the casualty rate was of the
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  great fire of Rome, but there is a William Hartnell Wife met
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  laughing, his head off. You can't say that.
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  This is my fault, my fault. Ha ha.
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  We had to fire s. Not that model of like the
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  Romans and the gun fires in the myth.
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  May be is there's in in the something inevitable that it's
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  building up to, yes. There's either the Trojan Horse
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  or the gunfight at the o.k. Corral which you know, that.
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  It's ultimately going to happen and it's almost quite fun with
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  figuring out how it's going to happen.
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  You're right. And you know, it's true of the
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  mascara as well, but even though it's not as well, known the fact
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  that it is called the massacre of some more companies even set
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  on some Bartholomew's. Eve, you kind of know there was
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  a massacre. Come in, where's the Smugglers?
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  It's anybody's guess. Really?
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  And the Highlanders is in that highlight on, this is framed
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  weirdly and it starts at the very end of the Battle of
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  Culloden Yeah, after the drama yes of calm has happened and
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  it's just sort of like the survivors of it or whatever but
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  and then becomes all piratey often.
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  There's a reason a lot of people forget about that one, you know.
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  Yeah. I'm not a fun.
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  Do you think that was a good point to phase them out the
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  historical sword. You wish they'd kept.
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  Kevin Caron, fractions time, I wish to do a lot more sort of
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  pseudo, historicals, the sort of time Warriors types, and I think
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  that it just does. It's a whole thing of it.
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  The baby, the baby. See, do all this costume drama?
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  Well, if they've got all this stuff in stock and it can be
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  done, well, the might as well, I think where it's really telling
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  is when you hit the space pirates and sort of light
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  they've run out of Science, Fiction Tales to tell and then
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  if so one of the war games It's and it's so gripping your back
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  in his first time in what feels like forever and it feels so
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  refreshing. I've got him.
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  I always defend the time. Monster this own, especially the
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  the Atlantis episodes because I think again watching them all
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  the stories and all of which I did is just how refreshing.
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  Again, it is to be back in history and it might be a
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  Shakespeare All over again, doesn't it?
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  I mean, it doesn't have to be though.
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  I mean, it's not the most, well, executed Atlantis of all time in
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  the it isn't most gripping story of all time, but I think it's
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  just the fact that we're back and it feels different but and
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  the ship bound scenes in Carnival of monsters and 1926
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  and the time, it's just because it's a little taste.
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  And then suddenly when you get into Hinge kit, they started
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  doing actual historical settings again that land.
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  That's right. Yeah.
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  Okay, I learned something about papaya.
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  Nero's. Wife in the documentary, The
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  really horrifying apparently about a year after this was
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  saying she was pregnant with Nero's child and not laughing.
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  At that time. He kicked her to death.
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  While she was pregnant. I know that things back then.
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  Not tell you what it looks. Doggy-dog world.
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  I thought I wish. Did you Linus hadn't drunk?
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  The Drinker machines. I think he liner to be light and
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  so he says no one comes to this thing for historical accuracy.
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  Okay I look see, I love that. Vicki.
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  Does that laws? Where she doesn't nervous laugh
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  and I picked up on this that she is moment where she really
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  shouldn't be laughing. Yeah, and I'll try to think of
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  some other ones where all their nowhere planet, and we're
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  Planet. When she says, Barbara says, she
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  felt like she was being someone hooked on and she laughs then
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  the somewhat maybe there's another one in the myth makers
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  but it's a little and I think when when she's told that the
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  traveling time or whatever in in the rescue and it's just such a
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  really endearing i-i've seen voluntary laugh at nervous
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  moments that they, you know, like what it's a bit and I think
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  it's something we can tell it more in a branded really thought
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  about it. And having that continuity, oh
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  my God, look at this dashing about these six.
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  This reminds me of a Doctor Who convention look dashing up and
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  down the corridors or being pursued by a car when you back.
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  Yeah, this subplot with the poisoner.
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  I think this is really nice as well because there's a lot of
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  dark humor here about. No, I don't know who these
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  people are but you know, the poisons for them.
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  I love all that. She's so kind in the love, I
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  would such a different mindset. It's a bit like, The way that
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  Susan and the hall arranged marriage thing.
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  Just like does not compute with her.
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  Yeah. But with this is a whole
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  different ideology of how debt life and death is viewed in.
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  Anything really fun to do where she switches the drinks.
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  Yeah, she goes. By the way I think of poison
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  season it again the irony of again, doesn't it?
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  Because then look papaya comes in and Tells the poisoner to be
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  executed. Oh yeah, yeah, actually submit.
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  I was going to say, maybe it all feels so bad, the pulp here, but
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  I mean, an unborn child in one thing sir, exactly.
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  I just think that was that was just how you got a good about in
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  the Roman Empire's. You just murdered people at your
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  positions of power. This whole Joe, do this whole
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  joke about the switching of the to drink is inspired all of that
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  bubble The Bullying like poison as well.
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  And Always sort of plotting of you ever watched?
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  Watched it during lockdown with my dad's room like the HP or
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  room. Hi Lindsay.
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  Duncan is that a really sort of conniving not connect like just
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  like getting rid of anybody in the way of a sort of thing but
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  she reminds me of a bit a bit like preparing the sap is that
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  Adelaide for more zamar? Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah. She's the best.
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  About Rome. I remember.
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  Oh, it is the lady says to her in a minute, close your eyes and
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  Nero. Will give you a big surprise.
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  Although, that is probably the rudest line in terms of, I can
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  think of this is hot or joke, but he's not talking to his
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  lapels, he's tugging at his outfit.
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  What a costume is what? I love the heart has such
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  extravagant costumes if Lyle here where it says different
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  fire. I was going to talk to me row
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  but it seems You're busy. I'm gonna love it, isn't it?
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  There's definitely a difference in his characterization though
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  in this second year. Mmm, he he's been sort of the
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  web Planet laughing his head off.
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  Yeah, I remember thinking it's so you leave Susan and then he
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  has a bit of a sleep and he's walking up in the rescue it from
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  the second. He wakes up he's almost like
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  different character. Remember thinking that like this
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  about, where he's let the Tardis land without being at the
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  controls or something. And while there's a oh you never
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  does this and I'm like no. No, he stayed literally a
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  completely different character from this point onwards, this
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  Niko was it? We must never let that happen
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  again. Must we all know, I always love
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  is the bit in the Crusade, where he says, I'm going to be to
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  Vicki. I'm going to be involved in
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  court politics, and that could be very, very dangerous in
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  distance. That's these more grandfather
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  than I think I ever was to Susan.
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  Actually, no, maybe it's all grandfather.
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  Maybe it's like, sort of, like, like Partners in Mischief.
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  Like the very almost, like naughty school kids together.
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  Yeah. But like more like a sort of
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  like mischievous or than a grandfather.
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  I think every time Dennis Spooner gets to because he's
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  script writing this season, when he gets to ride for him, so
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  that's reign of terror and he's bitten Ali in that.
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  Remember, when he's digging up the road and he smacks him.
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  Oh, yeah, space. Many Revolution doesn't it?
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  I then went to this really gets to write him in the time meddler
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  and I have my his scenes with peanut butter worth it great.
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  I think when he has somebody really great a player player off
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  like their Apprentice or Peter, but worth, and that's when he's
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  really is, is p. So, that's a bitch, you're
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  right? I'm meddler.
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  Well, it's like tompa. Can you give him?
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  Like it took us out in the script.
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  He gave him so many great act against Ava.
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  Yeah, even like what's-her-name in the stones of blood Amelia
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  wrong foot. Like when he's not a good strong
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  actor, tube at the comedy against.
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  Yeah, he said oh did you just see that Korea choreography?
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  Then if the two people fighting very lamely would think.
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  So what's well, they're just practicing on.
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  That's fine. I think the other thing I
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  noticed when watching this most recently is the guy is that the
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  slave trader? He has a lot of three different
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  jobs, so he's is the, what is the one?
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  Who's like, captions lives. Tell us lives on auctioning them
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  off. Now, we like sort of training
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  the Gladiators, I'm sure he's in the court at some point, but I
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  guess that The actors good. So it's fine.
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  Yeah, one has to earn a living in the Roman times.
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  That's true of this whole silly little bit as Hartnell back
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  there. I know what this thing.
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  Starts office app and down Nero's, hairy legs.
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  Hmm. This is a raunchy as Doctor Who
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  gets. I'll tell ya.
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  We see Hartnell in a swimsuit in a couple of stories time in
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  their dispersed music which apparently I remember it toy.
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  I was hoping that was really William Hartmann, remember,
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  reading that the fort or still exists in Internet family's
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  possession. This hope that all of this
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  comedy play with the sword, it keeps putting it in Nero's face.
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  Hmm, that's something that we never forget.
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  If this was missing, would never like All the older visual jokes.
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  Mmm. Yeah, I know.
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  But as well, I think I think it was a it was a good instinct to
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  give him this amount of Comedy. I don't think he's more fun than
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  when he's playing stuff like this or in the gun fires where
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  he's got, it's been about the gum.
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  Hmm? With this for me is to talk
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  about the definitive That you really like cracks it with this.
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  It was it I seem to be under the impression that there was some
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  sort of plot going on. And there are ghosts, what?
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  No one said anything to me. And I'm always told about the
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  plots that are going on around here.
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  Okay, all right here, we got relating off to the to the
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  poisoning guy. Don't you love it when harto
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  literally just dashes off? Susan, dear, oh stop.
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  Oh yeah. I mean, that would have had a
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  bit of a dent in history. How they murdered Nero by
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  mistake? Hmm.
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  But you know what's interesting is in the Aztecs.
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  They're playing, you can't change history, not one line for
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  drama. Whereas now, it's just being
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  done for a cheap joke. Yeah, Which lot of hiding hiding
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  under things and behind things in the story, as Vicki under
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  your table, Barbara was under a bed.
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  So I just Vicki had a very mischievous looking over the 22
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  chalices to look at this fabulous banquet, they've just
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  bought out, you know, for the lobster.
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  Now, I'm reliably informed that sitting at tables during a
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  banquet is historically, inaccurate in seeing its seats
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  as well. Probably would have taken up the
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  just lounged There's a wonderful special feature on there, the
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  disk of a blue Peter episode where they lay on a banquet and
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  you got Peter, Purvis they're in for Roman regalia.
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  Eating great with the seventies her.
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  Yeah. They didn't have to do much.
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  Really everyone thinks The pay is plotting that everyone's
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  plotting I feel like the narrative is really on the go
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  now I think like this. So there's a big bunk with going
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  on and they're the sort of cord poisoners just wanting around.
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  I think like I'd be nervous if I was a guest just at drinking
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  anything at this party and it's backwards.
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  Yeah. Well you got two good.
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  Can you believe a ripoff them? The Emperor's New Clothes.
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  So badly in a minute, he plays the light It's a great joke
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  though. What is it?
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  What is it? You can only hear it.
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  Yeah, if you have like, finally to everyone if I was going oh
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  yes, beautiful music. Here's another surprise from
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  Nero. It's a lovely, a but this is
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  important in the Wet Planet, isn't it?
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  Yes. Like the little link connection
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  there but you talk about gags that take a while to pay off the
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  gag that they do me is paid off in the web Planet.
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  Mmm, she goes there because Vicki Vicki only discovers.
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  It doesn't show you an episode 1.
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  She goes, I don't believe you. I'm going to ask him.
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  Oh, that's right. So this is Spencer's, we're
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  supposed to think Barbara's been poisoned?
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  Yes. Oh, hot dogs reaction.
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  Oh well, that's where we don't. Who should be at home with me.
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  Oh yeah, sure. He covers up Mouse and it shut
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  up child. Oh no, I'm watching.
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  Now this is trouble but I watch really good stories.
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  I had not. Yeah, that's exactly the same.
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  Now, that's a bit awkward. The way Barbara flounces out
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  just as they come running in. Yes, but I just love.
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  I have every reason to believe that drink is poisoned, I love
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  this. I love our partners changes the
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  intonation of different poisons. You know what as well alert he's
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  got his arm around Vicki and goes If I could just get my
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  hands on the person responsible, I've never noticed that.
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  Oh yeah, it's the right-sided sophisticated as well and that
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  anybody can get it. I think that there is I'm the
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  poison. I think, the myth bitterest big
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  is the missing is some of them. You do need a surface knowledge
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  of sort of Trojan, the Trojan War and everything it up.
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  Maybe people knew bit more at the time but some of the humor
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  when you really hit if you know. Yeah my friend.
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  Who's the great teacher? He thinks the mythmakers is
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  marvelous, whereas heart, I spent half Outfit laughing at
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  the jokes but not having a clue. Really, what's going on?
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  There's a couple of blog Latin jokes I think in this that go
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  over my head. But yeah, I think they're fairly
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  narrow just designer so rarely happens, he just looks straight
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  to camera and address the audience when he was like it's
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  up morges and kills around rezoning so morges.
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  Yeah. I like The cards.
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  What's rack Rack in Enlightenment?
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  She talks straight for the cameras.
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  Yeah, Chuckles. Yeah, that's it.
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  Oh, that's the poison of gum. And there is still time for like
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  I do think this is quite fast pace for a harness story but
• 24:19
  there is still time you know like this is quite a luxury
• 24:23
  asleep, a scene. Hmm.
• 24:25
  And what muscle I think it because it's a four-part or as
• 24:27
  well, you know, that even when the piercing floors down that in
• 24:33
  it that it needs to to like to speed up to the plot sir.
• 24:37
  Like, if this was episode, I don't know, four or five of the
• 24:41
  six. But then you blow all we're
• 24:43
  going to just be stuck with. Oh yeah driven from the
• 24:45
  steroids. Yeah at least at least the
• 24:49
  sensor exchange which is location of the vows of them
• 24:52
  sensor. Right?
• 24:54
  This is just like okay he goes but you don't know how to play
• 24:58
  the lyre. Don't I child?
• 25:00
  Don't I I'm Hollow talk about cam the way you play this
• 25:09
  instrument in a minute. Giving this is his best
• 25:14
  performance. possibly, I think that it's going through the one
• 25:19
  of my head actually I think the fuck that he gets to show the
• 25:24
  comedy, I mean, of all the surviving stories, I think it
• 25:28
  possibly shows the best. I think I would have liked
• 25:33
  something, like the myth make is where you get the comedy and
• 25:35
  then also, the dramatic stuff at the end.
• 25:38
  He doesn't get to be all that dramatic in there.
• 25:40
  So I mean I think that there's better showcases from but I
• 25:44
  think that, yeah, it's just consistently on the ball.
• 25:46
  This isn't me, there's so many individual scenes, the bit in
• 25:49
  episode 4 where he knows is going to be tossed to the light
• 25:54
  and then he's going I promised here are roaring success, he's
• 26:01
  so funny. But yeah, you're right.
• 26:03
  When you think that I still think one of his best
• 26:04
  performances is the part, you know, the first episode.
• 26:08
  Hmm, he's but the current the current is so different.
• 26:11
  I mean, it's better depends. What you asked, what what aspect
• 26:16
  of the character? What's the, what's the story of
• 26:20
  The Emperor's New Clothes? Little bit.
• 26:24
  That Taylor was commissioned to do the most beautiful pools in
• 26:28
  the whole the kingdom, but if some reason he I can't afford of
• 26:33
  decides not to do those claws. But he tells the emperor that
• 26:38
  The most extravagant, the most extravagant luxury sport is
• 26:43
  wearing. Look at everybody, pretending.
• 26:48
  To be fair, though, I've lost in that room.
• 26:49
  I'll be the same. You know, one thing I've never
• 26:51
  got with this scene, is the the extras, are they meant to be in
• 26:59
  on the jewel or are they meant to be some of them are feel like
• 27:05
  some of the extras are playing it slightly differently than
• 27:07
  others. And I know this is because I've
• 27:09
  watched it about 30 times, but when the leave and then all the
• 27:13
  extras are laughing. Then he doesn't like that
• 27:16
  they're laughing. It's I'm like, are they laughing
• 27:19
  at him? They get it out of them, had a
• 27:21
  pointed out, maybe the director didn't give him a note.
• 27:24
  It's just like the whole I think that's might be a I can't
• 27:28
  believe I put in a comedy sneeze as well.
• 27:30
  I made enough to join this. What's called tavius serious?
• 27:37
  I think possibly I should know what these characters are caused
• 27:40
  because I was so much fun it this story, you'd never think
• 27:43
  that. Yeah, they're part of a nice.
• 27:45
  Assassination plot, you know, duck in poisons and All Souls.
• 27:50
  Now, Nero is furious, what? Great way to write in a
• 27:56
  companion as well. You skip over all of the awkward
• 27:59
  sort of settling in stuff. Hmm.
• 28:02
  Because and especially her the camaraderie with the other
• 28:05
  characters because she's only met the doctor in the the rest I
• 28:11
  could but she seems right at home because actually six weeks
• 28:13
  worth of sort of team building has happened.
• 28:16
  Oh you mean skipping over all of us?
• 28:18
  yeah, yeah, yeah, quite like that it's a little bit Mel in
• 28:23
  that We get the initial meeting, actually.
• 28:27
  No, we don't get the initial meeting at all with one, but
• 28:29
  like in a way you just straighten that, it's a doctor
• 28:32
  companion, sort of friendship and you sort of forget at the
• 28:35
  end. The thing that sort of takes you
• 28:37
  by surprise sometimes is that she's like oh so where we going
• 28:40
  next in the Tardis and she's pointing at all.
• 28:42
  We never know where we're going and that's still a surprise for
• 28:45
  her because she's just spent the last six weeks in room.
• 28:48
  Whatever. And that's the best buyers and
• 28:50
  she's had enough of the team you doing stuff.
• 28:52
  She's like, come on. You promised me suspect this On
• 28:54
  an adventure. Hmm, off to Rome we go Not that
• 29:00
  this is this is the the Ian Chesterton that Sarah to of to
• 29:04
  watch who loves all disheveled disheveled chest a little bit
• 29:08
  bewhiskered. Yeah, he's about to, you know.
• 29:11
  But yes. Absolutely, I feel like
• 29:13
  Chesterton. I can't fund.
• 29:17
  I can't fancy him. I think it's a big city and I
• 29:19
  think it's maybe because he's a teacher.
• 29:21
  I don't know what it is. I just don't fancy, you know,
• 29:26
  maybe that's it. But then again like when you get
• 29:28
  the Stephen with a stubble, yes. Yeah already been Jamie on
• 29:34
  there. You know nothing.
• 29:39
  And so this is what we like to call Gladiator on a budget.
• 29:44
  Yes, well I view it as at least, yes, it's not a great big
• 29:48
  Stadium but it's a rehearsal room.
• 29:51
  Isn't it for the Gladiators? Oh, did I say that?
• 29:55
  I think this is something along the lines of it's like a
• 29:57
  training school or something. That's what I would say,
• 30:00
  covering it with a line. Yes, I don't think it's meant to
• 30:03
  be a great big arena. I think but I think I think they
• 30:08
  get away with it. Yeah that's brilliant.
• 30:13
  When they see each other, isn't it?
• 30:14
  Mmm. And then she knows that they're
• 30:18
  going to fight. So, there's real suspense here
• 30:21
  as well. The rock there is like in
• 30:24
  amongst all the comedy. There are good.
• 30:26
  Dramatic beans. Don't understand what happened
• 30:29
  because you're quite familiar. With the mythmakers, ask your
• 30:33
  question. I was just going to say
• 30:34
  something similar happens. When Steven gets to Troy to
• 30:38
  essentially rescue Vicki and she blurts out Stephen, and that's
• 30:44
  what Like that's what like gets the route.
• 30:49
  They get to the Trojans to realize that write these two
• 30:51
  know each other, right? So basically just have a few
• 30:57
  these people need a bit more Smiles just oh yeah, don't don't
• 31:00
  blurt out the other companions name when they come to rescue
• 31:02
  you I think I don't think Barbara does it in the Crusade.
• 31:06
  I think she's a little Lesson by then, but that is a wonderful
• 31:09
  thing about 60s Doctor Who is remember that character in case
• 31:13
  of mariners, who goes, but you can't possibly know what I do
• 31:17
  again, Spirits are you know, I didn't tell anyone it's like,
• 31:24
  pick a ball with From the Monk and saying, but he doesn't even
• 31:28
  know what the doctor looks like. Yours is wearing a check
• 31:31
  trousers. And as long lighter, oh no, the
• 31:34
  funniest one, it wasn't even the ark.
• 31:35
  Is that mono? It.
• 31:37
  That's being caught. Are you, are you working against
• 31:40
  ours? No, I just adore.
• 31:49
  I mean, you just skipped a lot of like Like deterring that is
• 31:53
  just straight to the sort of character letting him slip their
• 31:57
  motor version of their actions is quite.
• 32:03
  Yeah, I was watching the crown earlier this week.
• 32:04
  It's not quite how we do things now you know it's a bit more
• 32:06
  nuanced. And yeah yeah.
• 32:08
  Might if you might be sorted to get to the tell you honestly
• 32:12
  that cast the casting of the crown, I can't keep up with it.
• 32:16
  Queen is gone for a lot of different actresses.
• 32:18
  Mmm, that's regeneration. Well, look, episodes, 3 done,
• 32:26
  all the rapey stuff done, yes, anybody?
• 32:30
  Anybody else can tune back into this.
• 32:32
  If the skipped episode of through the podcast you can tune
• 32:34
  in to episode 4 which is a game called In fanart and finally a
• 32:40
  star. And I won't tell you do like the
• 32:42
  Romans episode 4. When does that start?
• 32:46
  Whether they stopped giving him individual top, it was the
• 32:49
  Savages was, no, I'll see you impressed me yet.
• 32:52
  I don't know as you hang on a minute, I was about to say you
• 32:54
  impressed me because, you know, I'm all right, I'm all right.
• 32:57
  You are absolutely right. How much knowledge you've
• 33:01
  gathered about classic house and she started watching new who but
• 33:05
  actually knew who's been going now for how long Seventeen years
• 33:10
  and you're how old 30? Yeah.
• 33:15
  Yeah. Well, over half your life.
• 33:17
  It's all right. Yeah.
• 33:19
  Yeah. That's right.
• 33:21
  I was wondering, would you pondering your own age then?
• 33:23
  Because I was more like, the maths of when dog, who started?
• 33:28
  I was like, yeah, would have been 12 or 13.
• 33:31
  So you've been mashed all this knowledge over the last 17
• 33:33
  years. Hmm, I wouldn't call it a waste
• 33:35
  of a life. I'm glad