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Data Centers and Brad Paisley · I Hate Talking

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  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 111 of I Hate Talking.
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  I Hate Talking: So moving on to our word or phrase of this episode, and that is the phrase data center.
• 2:07
  I Hate Talking: I, um, asked you what this was earlier tonight.
• 2:12
  I Hate Talking: All right.
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  I Hate Talking: And it answered us.
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  I Hate Talking: That's true.
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  I Hate Talking: He came with a textbook answer that it is a secure location that contains a variety of computer servers that are used for a variety of purposes, data processing, data storage, so on and so forth.
• 2:35
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that's what he said.
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  I Hate Talking: So, I think that's uh probably an apt description of data center, I think.
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  I Hate Talking: In the olden days, data center was Truly data, like it was storage facilities, -- so like -- like files, right, Manila envelopes.
• 2:57
  I Hate Talking: No, still computer related, but it was data hosting, so.
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  I Hate Talking: Things to Run websites, so like hosting materials, pictures, videos.
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  I Hate Talking: The HTML code that is running websites.
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  I Hate Talking: Because there wasn't a cloud back then.
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  I Hate Talking: Or you could host a website from your own local machine, but.
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  I Hate Talking: The internet was basically networked computers that were used for storage and communication.
• 3:30
  I Hate Talking: OK, so a lot of these words, I don't know what they mean technically.
• 3:34
  I Hate Talking: I, I can use them in a sentence.
• 3:35
  I Hate Talking: I really don't know what it means.
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  I Hate Talking: Right, so cloud computing is sort of A, I guess, recent jargon, but The internet really has always been cloud.
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  I Hate Talking: It's interconnected devices, some of which may host or some of which may process.
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  I Hate Talking: And why do you need a physical area to store it?
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  I Hate Talking: Well, the data has to be stored somewhere in all the zeros and ones, uh, in the actual cloud, like where the rain comes from.
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  I Hate Talking: -- I -- don't know, it's just up there above us in our heads.
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  I Hate Talking: No, it's in some physical server somewhere.
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  I Hate Talking: So there's one mega computer that has all the knowledge in the world, and if we turn that off, We lose everything.
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  I Hate Talking: No.
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  I Hate Talking: Now, there have been instances where like certain data centers have gone offline, like there was one recently, well, maybe not recently, but within the past 1 to 2 years.
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  I Hate Talking: With Amazon Web Services where some of their major data centers went offline and their remaining data centers.
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  I Hate Talking: Helped with the load, but we're not able to sustain all the different traffic and hosting services that It was being asked of, so there was a lot of slowdown and crashes and Things that were not working OK, huh.
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  I Hate Talking: My point being that in the past, Data center as a phrase I think really did refer to data, so storage of media.
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  I Hate Talking: And things of that nature.
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  I Hate Talking: But I think what is in the news more recently.
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  I Hate Talking: is they call it data center, but it's really probably more like processing center.
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  I Hate Talking: Processing, but it's still not physical items, so I think that's where I'm having a hard time, why we need a physical area for virtual things.
• 5:34
  I Hate Talking: Well, virtual things exist in.
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  I Hate Talking: Reality and reality is based in Hardware of some kind.
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  I Hate Talking: I mean, when you really think about it.
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  I Hate Talking: Basically, a computer is a rock that we have introduced electricity to.
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  I Hate Talking: So basically a computer is just A lightning charge rock.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: We had to put the rock somewhere.
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  I Hate Talking: The rock's in the room right now.
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  I Hate Talking: We're using the rock.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah, and then we're gonna take this audio file, which is stored locally on this physical computer right here that is taking up space on our table, and we're going to upload that to our podcast hosting platform.
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  I Hate Talking: And that is going to go on some physical server somewhere.
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  I Hate Talking: And we're going to upload it to AWS, Amazon Web Services, in fact, to do some.
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  I Hate Talking: Transcripting and things of that nature.
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  I Hate Talking: So that's physically located on some server somewhere, probably more than once since they have backups and things like that.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, and then we can delete it from our computer.
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  I Hate Talking: To make storage space.
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  I Hate Talking: But that's why it's never fully deleted because it's over there on their computer.
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  I Hate Talking: Correct, yeah, we have the backups of the audio files on AWS at this moment.
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  I Hate Talking: And that physically exists somewhere.
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  I Hate Talking: -- In a data center and -- then if AWS goes down, we lost it.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, they probably have backups that they could restore, -- but if the backup -- goes down, yeah, -- it's possible that it -- would be lost forever centers because they're doing the backup, so the backups of the backups.
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  I Hate Talking: No, see, that's why I think it's a misnomer to call it a data center.
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  I Hate Talking: Cause I don't think these new facilities that are coming online are being used for.
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  I Hate Talking: Data per se in terms of the old terminology where data was going to be more storage.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, so then what is it then?
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  I Hate Talking: AI.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, they're processing centers.
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  I Hate Talking: What do you mean?
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  I Hate Talking: Like little robots in there?
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  I Hate Talking: -- Typing away my Gemini -- questions.
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  I Hate Talking: Yes.
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  I Hate Talking: They, well, that question has to be responded to, and it takes physical assets in terms of some sort of CPU or GPU to do the calculations, look at its model and training data, come back with a response.
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  I Hate Talking: That takes some sort of physical computing device.
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  I Hate Talking: By a person.
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  I Hate Talking: No.
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  I Hate Talking: Oh.
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  I Hate Talking: But somebody had to code that.
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  I Hate Talking: Yes.
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  I Hate Talking: That's the model.
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  I Hate Talking: -- The -- training data in the data centers coding.
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  I Hate Talking: No, most of these data centers are dark data centers.
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  I Hate Talking: There's no people.
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  I Hate Talking: They don't even have lights unless there's like a maintenance issue that they turn on the lights.
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  I Hate Talking: So, but it still requires a lot of power and water.
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  I Hate Talking: Correct.
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  I Hate Talking: Why?
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  I Hate Talking: Well, when you run a lightning through a rock, it tends to get hot, so you have to cool said rock to be able to perform adequately and not overheat, and that requires water and In order to power the rock, you need electricity, so it takes a lot of electricity, which also consumes a lot of natural resources and things of that nature.
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  I Hate Talking: Is this where they're mining Bitcoins?
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  I Hate Talking: I have not heard that as an official reason for building quote unquote data centers, but I suppose they could.
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  I Hate Talking: You know how I heard about, I mean, I've heard data centers once in a while thrown around, and I've seen commercials for them.
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  I Hate Talking: Do you know where I questioned it today?
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  I Hate Talking: Well, I think it's been in the news quite a bit in a variety of different Locales and residential areas and things of that nature, but the one that has made national news as of late is the zoo.
• 9:43
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that's how I noticed it.
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  I Hate Talking: The singer, the musician, Brad Paisley.
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  I Hate Talking: has like started this big campaign and a press conference and going all out because he lives in Nashville, and I guess they want to make data center next to the Nashville Zoo.
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  I Hate Talking: And he is gung ho against it.
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  I Hate Talking: So that's what struck my attention.
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  I Hate Talking: Like, why does Brad Paisley hate data center so much?
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  I Hate Talking: Right, I think as of late, a lot of the focus on The data centers and trying to not allow them to be built by the local populace and things of that nature is that they are rejecting said data centers because of the drain on natural resources.
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  I Hate Talking: Namely water, electricity.
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  I Hate Talking: As well as some of the unsightliness of data centers.
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  I Hate Talking: They're very large, not very beautiful structures in any way.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, I suppose they could be, but they're going for cost effectiveness.
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  I Hate Talking: I don't think they're.
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  I Hate Talking: Making it look like a tourist attraction because it's not made to be a tourist attraction.
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  I Hate Talking: It's not like people are going to come visit.
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  I Hate Talking: It's strictly for data and the storage and processing of that data.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah, -- so -- that was exactly the article I read about Brad Paisley, how he was saying they don't have enough water, they don't have enough electricity, and it's too ugly.
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  I Hate Talking: Those are his like complaints I heard.
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  I Hate Talking: Maybe he had others and I missed them, but that was my takeaway.
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  I Hate Talking: So yeah, I mean, why, I mean, I'm not saying he has to spend his own money, but I'm sure he's financially could.
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  I Hate Talking: If he cared that much, why don't they make it look like part of the zoo, just blend in.
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  I Hate Talking: I know that won't help with the water and electricity part.
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  I Hate Talking: But so it's not like sending out like.
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  I Hate Talking: Radioactive stuff that's gonna hurt the animals, is it?
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  I Hate Talking: No, I've not heard that.
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  I Hate Talking: I have heard that the outcome of data centers could be, in addition to the resources used, noise pollution.
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  I Hate Talking: So they does have the, right, yes, potentially noisy with the fans or pumps that are running in order to cool the data centers and Even probably the processing units themselves may generate quite a bit of noise.
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  I Hate Talking: That it does impact noise within the local area and then also because of the massive amount of computing power that's being used, it is generating a lot of heat.
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  I Hate Talking: So I've not seen this widely and this perhaps is maybe a bit of a theory, but I have seen reports that.
• 12:29
  I Hate Talking: When these data centers are stood up, that there is a localized increase in temperature around the data centers because they are producing so much heat.
• 12:37
  I Hate Talking: Hm, it's kind of like when you make a parking lot, the temperature in that area goes up because of the concrete versus the grass.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I suppose a similar concept, but the fact that it's actually generating heat because it's doing all the computations and things of that nature.
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  I Hate Talking: So, I mean, I have seen memes where like people instead of buying a furnace, will just buy a few Bitcoin miners and run that, and that produces enough electricity and heat to warm their Abode for the winter.
• 13:09
  I Hate Talking: Well, yeah, I believe it in a way, because I had a computer, a desktop computer in college, and I remember that thing would get so hot sometimes, like blowing out such hot air.
• 13:22
  I Hate Talking: I didn't know if it was safe or not, so I would turn it off.
• 13:25
  I Hate Talking: But if I like ran it all night long, it would be hot.
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  I Hate Talking: That's true.
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  I Hate Talking: And then I have seen some plans.
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  I Hate Talking: I don't think anybody has actually done this, but like to build data centers either near the ocean or even in the ocean, so that then therefore it could use the seawater as a cooling mechanism.
• 13:45
  I Hate Talking: But I think that would be dangerous because of tsunamis and earthquakes or leaks.
• 13:50
  I Hate Talking: Basically, if the seawater gets it in somewhere that it's not supposed to be, that basically your millions and millions of dollars of Computer hardware will be scrap.
• 14:00
  I Hate Talking: But that does make sense to use water that we can't drink.
• 14:04
  I Hate Talking: I mean, I know you can, but it's like a whole process, right, that you have to filter, yada yada, right, desalination plants and things like that.
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  I Hate Talking: It sounds like that would be a good use of natural resources.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I don't know why they wouldn't build them on the coast, and, -- and -- people don't need to be there, right?
• 14:23
  I Hate Talking: Only occasionally checking on them.
• 14:25
  I Hate Talking: So it's not like the mining guys when they're out in the middle of the ocean for months at a time away from family, you know what I'm talking about, the oil, or you're not miners, are they oilers?
• 14:36
  I Hate Talking: -- What -- are they?
• 14:37
  I Hate Talking: rigs?
• 14:37
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, there you go.
• 14:39
  I Hate Talking: Maybe you can start a new company and call it.
• 14:42
  I Hate Talking: Oil rig data centers and then place the data centers on an oil rig and use seawater to cool it and then it won't even be on the ocean.
• 14:49
  I Hate Talking: You could even do it in international waters and then not be subject to any government laws.
• 14:54
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 14:56
  I Hate Talking: We can store everyone's secrets, huh?
• 15:00
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I still really don't think that these are being built for storage though.
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  I Hate Talking: So I don't get then what are they?
• 15:08
  I Hate Talking: I guess I don't understand AI.
• 15:10
  I Hate Talking: Well, I guess nobody does when it comes down to it.
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  I Hate Talking: So it's just a blank computer waiting for a question.
• 15:18
  I Hate Talking: That's not a blank computer.
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  I Hate Talking: It has an algorithm that's been coded and natural language models that have used training data in order to come up with a variety of responses that AI gives based on all the knowledge in the world that is in digital format.
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  I Hate Talking: So that's why you could ask a question about 1984 to AI, and it knows something about that because it has 1984.
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  I Hate Talking: Either in its training data or as part of its resources that it can draw from.
• 15:53
  I Hate Talking: So Is it kind of like picturing, say, a human, I know it's not a human, but think of like a human that has a library behind him.
• 16:05
  I Hate Talking: And then I'm like, hey person, answer this question.
• 16:10
  I Hate Talking: And then they're like, wait a minute, and then they go back to all of their stuff and like they categorize like look it up and then run to the Book and look at it and come back and tell me the answer.
• 16:22
  I Hate Talking: Maybe, does a person like logically think that this is the answer?
• 16:27
  I Hate Talking: No, they're just telling me the fact that they read in the book.
• 16:31
  I Hate Talking: But how do they determine what facts to give you?
• 16:35
  I Hate Talking: I don't know, whatever was in the book that they had.
• 16:38
  I Hate Talking: So they just randomly pulled a book -- and hoped that the fact that not -- randomly they have to look in their little like Dewey Decimal system.
• 16:46
  I Hate Talking: Their little cards.
• 16:49
  I Hate Talking: You know what I'm talking about?
• 16:50
  I Hate Talking: You picture like the old libraries where you pull out.
• 16:53
  I Hate Talking: Uh, I can't even think of what they're called.
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  I Hate Talking: What are they?
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  I Hate Talking: -- You pull out -- the like index card, -- index -- cards, and you look for that and it gives you a number, then you take it over to the books and find that number.
• 17:07
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 17:08
  I Hate Talking: There's still some sort of logical processing that the human is doing in order to use that.
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  I Hate Talking: I guess it's sort of similar to how an algorithm would be programmed in order to know that this is the subject matter.
• 17:19
  I Hate Talking: This is the index that needs to be.
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  I Hate Talking: Reviewed and then.
• 17:25
  I Hate Talking: Serve up that information, but AI is typically not deterministic, so.
• 17:31
  I Hate Talking: When you're using that example, that sounds more deterministic because a person is going to determine something as what will be the correct result, or at least the correct resource to use, whereas AI is just, for all intents and purposes, guessing.
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  I Hate Talking: It's just really, really good at guessing.
• 17:49
  I Hate Talking: -- AI is -- right, because it's not deterministic.
• 17:52
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, well, just today I was using AI because I was asking, we're taking family photos soon, and I was asking it a question about the color scheme to make sure, you know, everyone's clothes aren't matchy matchy, but that they coordinate well.
• 18:08
  I Hate Talking: I was asking, and then they sent me something completely off the wall different.
• 18:12
  I Hate Talking: And I was like, wrong colors, and then they're like, oh, my mistake, and then like sent it again, and it was still wrong.
• 18:21
  I Hate Talking: So then I was like, wrong colors, and they're like, I miss my mistake, that must be frustrating.
• 18:26
  I Hate Talking: And then they gave me the correct thing.
• 18:29
  I Hate Talking: That's why AI is not very good at certain types of math where, again, like a deterministic result is needed.
• 18:37
  I Hate Talking: It's not like preprogrammed or like already pre-populated in terms of its like solution book or very good at verbal things like with counting the number of R's in strawberry.
• 18:49
  I Hate Talking: It just doesn't know how to do those things because it's not a deterministic thinking machine.
• 18:54
  I Hate Talking: It's just using its preprogrammed logic to attempt to get the right information.
• 18:59
  I Hate Talking: So we could convince an AI that there's 5 R's in strawberry.
• 19:05
  I Hate Talking: No, it will.
• 19:06
  I Hate Talking: In the olden days, they probably have fixed this now because like people always did this, and now they just coded it.
• 19:12
  I Hate Talking: So like, anytime somebody asks about a strawberry and the number of letters, this is the answer, but somebody, a person had to do that.
• 19:19
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 19:20
  I Hate Talking: Because they would often report that there's only 2 R's in strawberry.
• 19:24
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 19:25
  I Hate Talking: You've seen this?
• 19:26
  I Hate Talking: No, I'm just trying to count how many R's there are in strawberry.
• 19:30
  I Hate Talking: So, you're coming up with a deterministic solution because you're thinking logically and coming up with a determined solution versus AI just looking at what the question is.
• 19:43
  I Hate Talking: Associating words and letters to what it has learned in the large language model and producing a result.
• 19:51
  I Hate Talking: So why don't you test that and we'll see if they fixed it.
• 19:55
  I Hate Talking: So I asked Gemini, my question was, how many R letters are there in strawberry?
• 20:01
  I Hate Talking: And the response was, there are 3 letter R's in the word strawberry.
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  I Hate Talking: Here is why it is famously tricky, because when you say strawberry out loud, your tongue blends the letters together, making it sound like there are only 2 R's, one in straw and one in berry.
• 20:20
  I Hate Talking: But when you look at the spelling of berry.
• 20:23
  I Hate Talking: That actually requires a double R.
• 20:26
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 20:27
  I Hate Talking: So somebody has fixed it.
• 20:29
  I Hate Talking: Let's try chat GBT.
• 20:30
  I Hate Talking: I think that was the one that became famous because of this particular thing.
• 20:34
  I Hate Talking: So Chat GBT responded, there are three letter R's in the word strawberry, spelling it out, S T R A W B E R R Y, letter R appears three times.
• 20:43
  I Hate Talking: And then we can ask, did it used to be 2?
• 20:47
  I Hate Talking: Let's find out.
• 20:49
  I Hate Talking: No, the strawberry word has not generally been spelled with only two R's.
• 20:55
  I Hate Talking: I go, so they're like gaslighting us, pretending like it was never.
• 21:00
  I Hate Talking: Their mistake.
• 21:02
  I Hate Talking: Yes.
• 21:04
  I Hate Talking: I asked Gemini if it used to be 2, I like your question, and I said no, it's actually always had 3 R's going way back to its earliest roots from thousands of years ago.
• 21:16
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 21:17
  I Hate Talking: Now, if you ask chat GPT if it thought that it used to have two R's.
• 21:23
  I Hate Talking: It basically blames previous language models, so it says other language models have sometimes given the wrong answer to questions like this in the past.
• 21:32
  I Hate Talking: Earlier AI models often struggled with tasks that required careful counting of letters and words because they processed Texas patterns rather than literally inspecting each character the way a simple counting program would.
• 21:43
  I Hate Talking: So they admit that they were wrong, but they won't straight out say it.
• 21:48
  I Hate Talking: Well, it blames its parents essentially.
• 21:51
  I Hate Talking: It always goes back to that.
• 21:53
  I Hate Talking: It's always their fault.
• 21:55
  I Hate Talking: So, Yeah, I don't know.
• 21:58
  I Hate Talking: I guess we can ask what the difference is between a data center and a processing center, or if a data center is a processing center, see what it says.
• 22:07
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
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  I Hate Talking: So I asked, is a data center just used for storing data?
• 22:12
  I Hate Talking: No, a data center does store data, but that's only one of its functions.
• 22:15
  I Hate Talking: A data center is a facility that houses computers, networking equipment, and storage systems that provide digital services.
• 22:21
  I Hate Talking: So it can include data storage, computing, networking, cloud services, backup, and disaster recovery.
• 22:28
  I Hate Talking: Like disaster recovery like.
• 22:31
  I Hate Talking: If we lose our internet.
• 22:35
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, like if, like if, uh, other data center gets hit by flooding or something, it will have a backup so that it can recover from.
• 22:45
  I Hate Talking: The disaster in another part of the world.
• 22:48
  I Hate Talking: Oh, OK, I was thinking like Red Cross, like they keep their emergency supplies there.
• 22:53
  I Hate Talking: Yep.
• 22:54
  I Hate Talking: So it does say at the very end here, in some AI focused facilities, computation is actually the dominant activity.
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  I Hate Talking: See, and that's why I think that it's a bit of a misnomer to call some of these new quote unquote data centers, data centers because the primary purpose for which they are being constructed is computation.
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  I Hate Talking: And computation is.
• 23:14
  I Hate Talking: Like doing some sort of compute function, doing some sort of generative response or calculation.
• 23:23
  I Hate Talking: AI, yes, AI.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: How long have data centers been around then?
• 23:28
  I Hate Talking: Well, I guess you have the.
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  I Hate Talking: Library of Alexandria.
• 23:36
  I Hate Talking: So I was there Library of Congress.
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  I Hate Talking: -- I've been -- to the Library of Alexandria.
• 23:42
  I Hate Talking: -- There -- you go.
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  I Hate Talking: I mean, those were data centers.
• 23:44
  I Hate Talking: There's a whole bunch of data there in the form of books, right?
• 23:49
  I Hate Talking: So I guess the library could be, but like in the way that we're using it nowadays.
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  I Hate Talking: So the first use of the exact phrase data center was from The 1950s and 1960s to describe facilities that housed large mainframe computers requiring dedicated environments for their operation.
• 24:12
  I Hate Talking: There were computers in the 1950s.
• 24:14
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, they went to the moon.
• 24:17
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, -- but she -- had to, it was that lady that was in labor, and she had to like read all her notes in labor.
• 24:24
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, they had.
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  I Hate Talking: Some computing systems back then and storage.
• 24:30
  I Hate Talking: It's crazy.
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  I Hate Talking: That just seems like a long time ago.
• 24:33
  I Hate Talking: I guess not.
• 24:34
  I Hate Talking: Well, it was a long time ago.
• 24:36
  I Hate Talking: It's 2026 now.
• 24:38
  I Hate Talking: I'm sure a data center from the 1950s looks far different than a data center today, right.
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  I Hate Talking: Now tell me, is it data or data?
• 24:48
  I Hate Talking: Is it kind of like the same thing where it's like caramel or caramel?
• 24:52
  I Hate Talking: It just depends on if you're fancy.
• 24:54
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 24:56
  I Hate Talking: I would say both could be correct.
• 24:58
  I Hate Talking: I would say data would probably be more.
• 25:01
  I Hate Talking: British and data would be more Americanism, perhaps.
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  I Hate Talking: Is that true?
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  I Hate Talking: Did you research this?
• 25:09
  I Hate Talking: No, -- I -- didn't.
• 25:09
  I Hate Talking: I was just curious because I do think I feel fancier when I say data.
• 25:14
  I Hate Talking: So the American Heritage Dictionary says that both are correct, but it has data as the primary pronunciation.
• 25:21
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 25:22
  I Hate Talking: I know when I asked that question earlier in our family, about what is a data center.
• 25:28
  I Hate Talking: They said the kids were like bickering a little bit about the proper pronunciation.
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  I Hate Talking: One called it data and the other one's like correcting them on data or vice versa, I don't remember.
• 25:40
  I Hate Talking: I was like, both, it's the same word, guys, you can say it either way.
• 25:45
  I Hate Talking: I wasn't quite confident.
• 25:47
  I Hate Talking: I was pretty confident in that, but I didn't know if that was true.
• 25:50
  I Hate Talking: But I wanted them to stop bickering, so I said they're both right.
• 25:54
  I Hate Talking: It can be data or data.
• 25:55
  I Hate Talking: Yep, it does seem that Merriam-Webster's, other British dictionaries all list All the different pronunciations, but Data seems to be the most preferred.
• 26:10
  I Hate Talking: Even in Britain?
• 26:12
  I Hate Talking: Yes, OK.
• 26:14
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 26:16
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 26:17
  I Hate Talking: I'll have to pay attention to how I pronounce it.
• 26:19
  I Hate Talking: I think I probably just reflect the same pronunciation of the people that I'm speaking with and sort of just mirror their pronunciation.
• 26:27
  I Hate Talking: we'll find out when we listen to this episode how many times we say data versus data.
• 26:32
  I Hate Talking: I guess we could ask AI to count how many times.
• 26:35
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 26:36
  I Hate Talking: Hopefully, you, our listener have appreciated the data that we have presented in this episode about data centers and their related impact to the natural world as we try to infuse lightning into rocks to make it answer questions for us.
• 26:54
  I Hate Talking: And good luck to Brad Paisley.
• 26:56
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I am all supportive of like development of capabilities such as computing and things like that, but there is a balance there, especially if said activities may be used for nefarious purposes.
• 27:12
  I Hate Talking: Right, yeah.
• 27:13
  I Hate Talking: So from your friends at I Hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.