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#395 - For Azeroth!: FAZ Dev Revealed? · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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The biggest take away from this interview?
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Manny, you're burying the lead. Ian listens to the show.
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Ian is Fasdev. Victory for the Forsaken.
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For Lauderon for the Karen tour. For.
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Pandaria. For calendar to.
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The burning region for Gilnaeus or has not done for the Lich
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King for the Sindori. For the alliance.
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For the Horde, for Azeroth. Hello everybody, and welcome to
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yet another episode of For Azeroth.
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I am one of your hosts, Manny AKA the Truvan.
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Manny and I am joined by the lovely Lex.
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Lex, how are you and how's the World of Warcraft treating you
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this week? Manny, I am great.
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We are getting a cold front coming in, which is making me
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very happy because I'm a cold weather girl.
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So the next week is all going to be mid to low 70s.
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I am on the moon, I am flying high.
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This is the best thing that's ever happened to me.
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And the World of Warcraft is treating me well too.
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I am actually still doing some mythic plus.
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My team is hoping to do at least enough of the break the meta to
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get the cute little, the cute little, I think you like a
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banner. Yeah, fun little stuff.
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So I'm getting back on Havoc Demon Hunter enough to do a
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couple 10s because we do already have healers and so we figured
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it would make the most sense for that to be my mind meta
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breaking. And I'm having fun with it.
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I'm enjoying doing Mythic Plus just for the sake of doing
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Mythic Plus. It's crazy.
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Very nice, Very nice. And also joining us is the
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sensational Sean. Sean, how are you?
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Not great, Manny. It's been a hell of a week.
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House issues up and down. Property taxes in the island of
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Prince Edward are crazy. Yeah, but other than that, I'm
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healthy. I have my dog.
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I have my loved ones. I have these two great people to
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talk to you. I just realized you always give
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us an adjective. The lovely Lex.
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The loquacious Lex, the sensational shot.
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Well, we never have an opportunity to give one to you.
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There's no marvelous Manny, you know.
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Yeah, because I'm introducing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't like that. I think you should introduce
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yourself as the terrific true villain Manny or the marvelous
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Manuel T villain. True villain, sort of a already
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a qualifier. I know this is cliche, but I
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think we should lean into the Manny, the myth, the legend.
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I think that's perfect. I think that's what we I'm sure
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you've heard that every single day of your life, Manny.
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It's not it's not the not the first time I've heard it.
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I've had I've had many names over the years, as it were.
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But we're here to talk about the World of Warcraft.
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We are back, the three of us. We did a special that is out
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there for the patrons where we talked about the lore, because
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everybody's been talking about the lore and everything that
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happened with the release of 12.0 Point Sevens little story
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bit last week. And this week we're back and we
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are talking about a number of things, including a
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clarification of that lore. So senior quest designer Keith
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Riley went on to X to clarify some misconceptions about last
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week's lore debate. The cinematic at the heart of
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the controversy depicts the in game hair and air perspective.
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And the thread goes on to point out that the visions of the hair
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and air, while they can have gaps or inaccuracies, are
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supposed to have a general truth.
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But this is the hair in ours perspective.
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So he concludes that this was not a definitive account.
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This is not Blizzard saying that this is how it is and there's no
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other way. So people can drop their
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pitchforks and we can get some calm back on Wow lore in the
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Twitterverse, as it were. Lex, does this.
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Does this help put your heart at ease?
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Yeah, well, I'm my heart's not ease for the quest designers
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because didn't people lose their whole sweet minds when the
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Newser or whoever it was said that Chronicles was meant to be
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from the perspective of the Titans?
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Which, to be fair, as somebody who owns all the Chronicles, I
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understand a little bit of the rage with that because those
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boys are expensive. But I don't I don't know that
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the the the World of Warcraft always loves the fact that the
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lore we're getting is not necessarily truth, but I do I
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think it's a good way to tell a story, right?
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You don't know who's necessarily a perfectly consistent narrator.
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You don't know who you can trust beyond what the characters know.
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Sometimes you do know other stuff because you spent $50 on a
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book that's basically a World of Warcraft textbook and so you
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have some degree of background knowledge that the characters
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don't have. I I think that good storytelling
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does involve some degree of ability, the writer's ability to
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perspective shift and to give information that only some
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people have or that nobody has. And and to withhold information
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versus everyone is just play acting and has the entire went
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to World of Warcraft high school and knows everything that
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happened in the World of Warcraft and is going forth with
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their life with full knowledge and and know nothing to
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discover. So I'm happy.
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You're happy generally. OK, John, are you going to throw
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out and burn your codexes, your compendiums, or are you somewhat
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better with this new understanding?
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I actually do think the Chronicles not being a true
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telling is a mistake. I stopped.
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I bought. I stopped buying them when that
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announcement came out. I have.
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I owned the first one and then didn't buy any others after that
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announcement. They should be a true telling in
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my opinion. In my but in game, everything is
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from the point of view of whoever is telling you that
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story. And if you took the time to read
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any of the quest text in the rest of that campaign chapter,
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you would have known that everything was coming from the
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Harendar point of view. And that doesn't have their own
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point of view. And if you had done any of the
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questing in Harendar when Midnight launched, you would
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have learned a lot of the same stuff.
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All of it. It was really strange to see
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Twitter go crazy over this piece of lore when everything else
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that we've heard contradicted it.
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And they were all like, oh, they're retconning their own
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expansion in expansion. And it's like, it's very
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confusing that yeah, I don't know.
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I guess the strange part for me is they're upset that things
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that they think everybody should know, everybody should know that
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elves gained from trolls, that, you know, dark elves, dark
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trolls don't evolve with it. Everybody should know this when
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I I mean, I would put a high wager that there are people who
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are making those statements who don't know what's happening one
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block over in their own home in their own town.
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You know what I mean? Like to say that this is just
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knowledge everybody should have in a plant on a planet where you
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can't really tell me how the pyramids were built is crazy to
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me. It's crazy that, you know,
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that's they, they expect these things that that just aren't
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possible. And I don't know, it's, I just
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sometimes feel like people get angry just for the sake of the
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story. People decided they were angry
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at some point, however many expansions ago.
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It doesn't matter what happens, they're just going to be.
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Angry Sean, can I push you a little bit on the Chronicles
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tape? Because I actually feel like
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it's a little relevant. So I when I first heard it, I
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was kind of in agreement, right? I'm spending all this money on
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these books that you claim Mouth of God and then now all of a
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sudden you're saying actually it's not mouth of God.
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I do actually think, though, that this whole situation with
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the Herrin ear quest maybe changes my mind a little bit
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because I don't know that the World of Warcraft community as a
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whole would be able to to tolerate there being something,
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especially something big that they know that the game is not
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willing to admit. First, I will say I think that
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I'm steel manning a little bit because I think the reason they
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decided to make the chronicles not mouth of God is they wanted
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the ability to wreck on it, right.
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They wanted the ability to say, Oh, that was just what the
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Titans thought. So I understand that I'm I'm
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giving them a little bit more credit than maybe they're due.
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But I do also kind of understand from this whole situation why
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the board developers maybe would feel like if we're going to tell
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somebody, we need this to be something that also is known in
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game. Otherwise they're going to freak
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out every single time something is sat in game.
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And they're like, but use that in Chronicles that it's
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different, right? OK, I I can see that.
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I can conceive a little. I just find it hard to believe
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that the Titans would lie to us. That's true.
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Why would they deceive us like that?
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If I know anything, it's books that are historical.
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Depictions in real life are always factual and the true
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accounting of what happened. No slant.
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They never have to make newer versions of those.
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It's history, it's all we all know exactly what happened
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perfectly and there's no debate over anything.
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Are they retconning the old? Testament.
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What's happening? I just imagined that
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conversation happened. There was no Twitter back then,
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right? So it was just like around the
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you said this. Was mouth of God that's.
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Right, that's right. Oh, now they're reckoning the
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old man. I wish I could have been there
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for that one. I think they should.
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I think we should if I had a time machine and go back in time
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to give them X just so that we could see these conversations
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happen in real time. I think human history has not
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had enough people debating with strangers.
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That's my take. Yeah.
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So it takes, you know, that one I could sign on.
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I'm 100% behind that. One So from this, what do you
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guys feel is closest to the truth or what do you feel is the
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truth for the genealogy of the troll, the trolls, the owls, the
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harneer? There was a race before, like I
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think they're all, I think they are all related.
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They all descend from 1 something.
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We don't know what that is. There's a book with full gene
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where he's like, hey, we don't know what we were called before.
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We were called trolls And I, I do believe that they are, are
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all on the same tree. I don't know that the ordering
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necessarily is like, you know, Oh no, it was Imani and then it
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was dark spear and then it was, you know, it's just they're all
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on the same tree somewhere along the line.
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You know, the hair and ear sort of line up with what we know of
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dark trolls already. So and we call them dark, but
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maybe they don't call themselves dark trolls, You know what I
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mean? I I'm certain there are real
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world examples of people who call themselves one thing who
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then got called something else by other people later on.
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You know what I mean? And it's like.
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Hi Elf Cinderi. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, there's one that was a good one.
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Yeah. So I, I think they're all
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related and it's just somewhere along the line.
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Like I said, the hair and ear sound a lot like the description
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we got of dark trolls. They stayed out of the site.
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They stayed of the site. They live in the caves a lot.
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The Titans weren't super aware of them and then some of them
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became a night olives, some of them became some of them stayed
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and, you know became whatever. So somewhere around there.
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But I I mean, ultimately it doesn't doesn't matter like the
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do we need to know like does it? Is it super important to the in
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game universe that the young goal came before the torrents?
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Does that? Is that really affecting
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anybody's day-to-day gameplay? I.
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Don't think it affects gameplay, but I think it does in intrigue
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people, like when we find out that the dwarves came from the
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earth and when we discover the flesh of the curse of flesh,
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when we come across the Valk here and the like proto humans.
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And that that like context to the world is what these lore
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people love, right? What they go nuts about, what
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they fight over on Twitter about.
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So there's definitely engagement there.
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We started by just conceding that back.
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That's true, that's true. I did see a current popular fan
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websites residing lore expert make a post saying that a thing
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didn't exist and then somebody sent them a screenshot from a
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book completely contradicting what they said.
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And there was the lore expert for popular fan websites
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response was I never actually read that book.
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OK. All right.
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We can have gaps. In fairness, there's a lot of
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books. I don't know what this is.
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I have no context to this. Yeah, I, I think that what I'm
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hoping from this is that maybe we see a progenitor race or that
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something about this is more of like more integral to the plot
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than just like, yeah, we needed to get you together to like send
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you on your way to the Isle of Coils.
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Like it would be a good way of, of it coming back if it is a
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seed that they're planting. Because they had said back when
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we were starting the World Soul Saga that hey, they were willing
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to plant seeds that would come to fruition much later.
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I'm hoping that this is a way of doing that where they go where
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they, I don't know, have a virus that affects that affects trolls
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and inherent or but then not the elves.
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And it's like, wait, what is that about?
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Right? Something like that.
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So if they or if they have like the progenitor race come out
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from like even deeper underground, something like
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that, I think that would be be cool of planting this seed here.
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I think conceptually be cool. I will say I don't like
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scientifically, it's not really how evolution works.
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This is one of the things that annoys me with the whole this
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whole storyline is. Because the hair and air are not
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the same as they were back then. Yeah, it's it's the we are not
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descended from chimpanzees, right?
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We are, we have a a branching tree that where we have a no no
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longer existent ancestor, right, That branched into all these
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different things. And then so sorry to the
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patrons. I think I made this exact same
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point on the Patreon episode. So you're getting less content
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now, But I, I, yeah. So I at first, I don't think, I
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mean, to be fair also, it's not very scientific that, you know,
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you stay in the dark and that you magically transforms you
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into something else. So I don't anticipate that
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they're doing this with, you know, an evolutionary scientist
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on staff being like. And how would these two races
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divert? So they probably will have a
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original ancestor razor. I just I just want to point out
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Lex that we live in a world we're not one expansion to go.
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We had people getting pulled out of cold storage from 10s of
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thousands of years ago. So the pretended to race not
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existing isn't the same as in the real life where yes, there
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are reasons why those people would have eventually their
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genealogy would have split and stuff.
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So let me let me clarify. Any race that has been ongoing
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from that point until now has evolved equivalently, right?
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Not necessarily in the same ways.
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They might visually, for example, look more like the
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original race. They might, you know, engage
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with the world in in different ways, but everyone has evolved
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the same amount of time. So they're all.
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Equally different. Equally, you're looking at 2
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points that forked from the same branch, not going back to that
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original branch. Exactly.
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There's there's not an original ancestor that has existed
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consistently. There might again again, I don't
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know that this is an argument that thing had in Blizzard HQ.
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So it's possible that there is right.
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It's possible that in Blizzard's world, there will be the
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original and these are the ones who have not changed since they
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were the original ancestor race. But scientifically speaking and
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also like, you know, I have AI have a bachelors of arts, right?
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So I'm sure I'm also screwing this up real bad and somebody
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who has a higher level degree is in our comments right now being
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like, that's also not how evolution works, but big
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understanding. Yeah, no, I think that there's a
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lot there. There's the like, what if some
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of the Urban had like escaped the clutches of the Titans and
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had continued to be influenced by as we're often so we find
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that faction later on. I I just want the Urban to be
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relevant again. They they got kicked out the
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back door. I love I love these little trees
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of science fiction and fantasy of like lore and Ware could go,
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but I'm hoping that the the people who were screaming retcon
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are a lot calmer now. Spoiler they're not.
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OK, well let's let's go to something less rage inducing.
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Sean, do you want to take over and talk about the Season 2
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dungeon testing? Yeah, for sure.
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Let me quickly turn to our show notes Google, if you're
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listening dark mode, for the love of all it is holy, give us
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for those of you enjoying the first video format of the show
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on Spotify, I just want you to watch my face patch notes show
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notes. You won't make fun of me for
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being so white, it's just because I have show notes up.
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Yeah, All right, you can. You can put all those criticisms
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towards me from now on. OK, sorry, Season 2 dungeon
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testing continues. Blizzard has taken a look at the
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feedback provided over the first two weeks of dungeon testing,
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and they made many of the adjustments players were asking
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for, including increased difficulty on bosses like
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Machimba and the Golden Serpent and King's Rest.
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As well, they continue to tweak the final boss and Seth Realists
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to make it more engaging and require a higher level of group
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coordination, even though it has a very good base right now for
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the changes made to it. All of the dungeons are
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available for testing in Mythic Plus this week.
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Definitely recommend jumping in. Those are just some highlights.
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There were a ton of changes made across the board in all of the
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dungeons. A lot of quality of life stuff.
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They removed some of the poison dispel requirements.
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There was a couple dungeons where there was three different
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poison dispels, so that would like really restrict the comps
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you would bring to those. They removed one of those poison
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dispels. They've made Zoljian a better
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fight in Ultra Fangs. They, like I said, they added
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complexity and engagement in the Golden Serpent Machimbophytes.
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They were just, they felt like an error from a different time.
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It was nothing was happening. It was very slow paced.
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And a couple other fights in Void Sky Arena, some boss
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fights, they did the same. They adjusted timings so things
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are better. The Desire fight, which has a
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lot or had a lot of swirls and a lot of overlapping swirls, was
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adjusted so there's less overlap there and the pacing of that is
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a little better. It's a really.
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Good sign to see them moving so quickly and so assertively to
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make changes. A lot of these, this feedback
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was given like last week and changes implemented this week.
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I'm very hopeful for the next season of Mythic Plus.
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Lex as a new Mythic Plus enjoyer, as somebody who's just
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like really sinking her teeth into it and playing for fun, How
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do you feel knowing Blizzard's got such a heavy finger on the
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scale? And are you excited about more
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complex fights in dungeons? Yes, so.
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First of all, one thing I will say go check out the notes if
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you are interested in this stuff.
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These are some of the longest notes I've seen Blizzard publish
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right? This looks like a major like a
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.5 patch notes. So I, I, they, they're doing a
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lot. It's very clear that they are
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working really, really hard and very thoughtful about what
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they're doing and listening to feedback, which I know has been
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one of our complaints recently, is you give feedback and it kind
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of goes nowhere. So it's good to know that they
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are listening. I am excited for more complex
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fights. I think one thing that I learned
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from my, from this season that made things a lot better was I
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started having fun once I did a full run through of every single
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mythic plus dungeon with people who could kind of help walk me
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through it. And once I feel like I know the
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fight, I feel so much more confident going in and just
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doing. Now I'm pugging and I know
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something I'll screw up sometimes.
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But in general I know that I understand the fight enough that
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I'm not overly scared. So I intend to do hopefully a
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few full clears very early season.
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As in full, full dungeon rotations early season.
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So I can then you know, one of my big issues with mythic plus
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is that I play at different times than most of my friends.
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So pugging is kind of a necessity.
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And if I felt more comfortable with that, I think that would be
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a lot more able to play mythic plus, Although this is not the
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first time I've had a hypothesis as well.
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Maybe play more mythic plus. So we'll, you know, stay tuned,
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kids. But anyway, the point is, I am
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excited for getting a chance to see more complex fights to jump
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in a really early in the season and to be hopefully part of the
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earlier folks learning things and internalizing how to play
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and what to do and what our routes are and everything.
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And I am feeling less intimidated by Mythic Plus this
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season, so I am not scared of the idea that there might be
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more complex fights. Very cool, very cool.
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Manny, are you excited about these changes?
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Have you had a chance to see any dungeons on PTRI?
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Know sometimes you jump in there.
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I haven't jumped in myself a I'm happy to say that the burnout
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that I was experiencing, we're we're past that now I'm back in,
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but I've been playing live in order to do that, trying to
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catch up on a number of things that I just sort of abandoned
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priorities that I abandoned because I want to get that done
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before this hits live. So I don't think I'm going to be
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much on the PT. But what I'm really excited
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about and what I would like to ask you is with these new
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dungeons, they've been talking about having more of the
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responsibility be with the DPS priority targeting or other
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effects that instead of being a healer problem, reduce your
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damage or something, or heal up the mob so that you have to
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again, burn that health down. So with these changes,
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especially with the dungeons that are coming back, Sean, I'm
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asking, have you seen anything that has put that responsibility
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on the DPS? What are the changes like that
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have made this like less of a all the stress on the tank and
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healer so. Specifically, the last boss and
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Temple of Ecethralis there are the it's changed.
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It's a boss that you want to heal, but there are two orbs
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that's bonding. They had Life coalescence or
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something like that. They're these purple orbs and a
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blue arrow appears above them. When you touch them, there's a
22:19
small explosion and you have a debuff applied for I think it's
22:23
40 seconds. That reduces your healing
22:26
received by 40% and your healing done by 40%.
22:29
Now in a fight where the goal is to heal the character in the
22:32
middle, this obviously isn't something you want the healer
22:34
doing. O it is secifically on there are
22:36
two orbs that sawn each cycle of the phase and each orb has to be
22:41
touched twice. So all three DPS and the tank
22:44
each have to take a stack of this.
22:46
So that is one spot where it is on the the DPS to do this more.
22:50
I haven't noticed as much stuff like where you miss a kick and
22:54
now you have a deep damage done debuff or things like that.
22:57
But admittedly I'm tanking these keys.
23:00
So if a if a kick gets missed and it hit somebody else, I
23:03
don't really know what's happening to them.
23:04
I haven't gone through the logs yet, but I would like to see
23:06
some of that, that it's not just Mist Kick is a kill, but like
23:10
Mist kick is, you're suddenly doing less damage.
23:13
Yeah. And I haven't, I haven't, I
23:14
haven't seen that. But the Temple of Ceteris, that
23:16
fight. And then there's also the
23:18
increase. There's these third boss that
23:21
these pillars spawn and shoot beams into the Boston power.
23:25
Those have to be soaked as well. They added an extra pillar so
23:27
that theoretically all three DPS would each would soak a pillar
23:31
in there to keep that going. So there is some happening in
23:34
the reworks, but I would definitely like to see more.
23:37
I just I think the biggest problem is it's easy to look at
23:40
bosses, right because there's a dungeon journal.
23:42
We can tell what the boss mechanics are.
23:43
We can tell what every spell does and what the impact of them
23:45
are. There is nothing in game that's
23:50
bass Blizzard that does that for any of the trash packs, any of
23:53
the mini bosses. So like you're going in
23:56
completely blind and if you don't have a tool like MDT,
23:59
which isn't field load on the PTR or if you don't take the
24:02
time to go and physically look up each enemy in on, you know,
24:07
popular fan sites like Wowhead, you just don't know what's
24:10
happening in the dungeon with the, with this trash.
24:12
If you're not like actively running it, logging it and then
24:16
going back through and reading the logs.
24:19
We I, I think we need a dungeon journal for the trap.
24:23
Like there has to be something right?
24:24
Like, I don't, I guess players are just supposed to learn by
24:27
trial and error, but that can be really intimidating.
24:31
Not a lot of people want to take the time to do homework on a
24:35
dungeon to find out what is hurting.
24:37
You know they're going to go. That's why Dungeon Guide videos
24:39
are so wildly popular at the beginning of the season, because
24:43
they're answering this question that people have I.
24:46
Do think mythic plus is, is an interesting situation where it
24:52
is still treated like the bosses.
24:54
It it's, you know, raid is just a race to the boss, right?
24:57
Trash maybe does something kind of silly, but it's mostly just
25:00
goofing around with your buddies.
25:02
It does not matter. And it's really just boss after
25:05
boss after boss. And as a Raider moving into
25:08
mythic plus, that's always a a thing that I have to kind of
25:11
switch my brain around. I needed one of my healer
25:13
friends, my my priest friends to tell me that I needed to start
25:16
using cooldowns on trash because of course I'm not using a healer
25:19
cooldown on trash, right? That's crazy.
25:22
But in mythic class, I mean trash is a major part of the
25:24
timer and the timer is the only thing that matters.
25:27
You have to be pushing through as fast as possible.
25:30
So I think I agree. I think that the dungeon journal
25:32
is set up currently as though it was more raid like and there's
25:38
less but it's not right. Mythic plus is not small mini
25:42
raid. Mythic plus is mythic plus.
25:44
And I do agree, I think that major trash mechanics do need to
25:47
be called out. I've found that people don't use
25:52
the dungeon journal even like if they don't have the the boss
25:57
guide or something. Like when you there are the
26:00
people who will go on to the PTR, test it, generate the stuff
26:05
that then goes on to the videos like tactics will put out stuff,
26:10
Cassette will put out the stuff, Radar IO of course put that puts
26:14
out all these videos. There are the people who will
26:17
look at those videos before it's released, all of that, and put
26:22
that to the team. They're the people on the team
26:24
who will have walked, looked at a bunch of videos and be like,
26:26
OK, which one are you following? There are people on the team who
26:30
will be like, what? Why aren't you telling me what I
26:33
need to do? What's going on?
26:36
And there are the people on the team that'll be like, I want to
26:39
keep my head down and don't die. Nothing's going to happen.
26:42
And at no point are any of those people consulting the Dungeon
26:47
Journal. And that to be is like something
26:51
that Blizzard needs to look at. We were talking about it back at
26:54
the beginning of the expansion. It would be great if I'm looking
26:59
at that dungeon journal and I go, oh, big tank Buster, that's
27:02
scary. Let me click on that so I can
27:04
add that to what's up, an improvement to the dungeon
27:07
journal. And please, fast dev, I don't
27:09
put out much stuff. The Dungeon Journal could be so
27:12
much better and incorporated into the game along with things
27:18
that you're already putting in the game like the cooldown
27:20
manager, like something like MDT where it's like here's the
27:23
dungeon map. I can put this map and put that
27:26
glow around the packs that I want to do instead of the pre
27:30
designed ones. We've we've come up with a
27:32
number of ideas off the top of our heads and we're three
27:35
people. You guys got an entire team of
27:39
talented individuals as well as all a feedback from all these
27:43
different people. I think that it should be a
27:44
project that they they put on because the Dungeon Journal is a
27:47
underutilized and severely lacking part of the game.
27:52
I. I will say we utilize the
27:54
dungeon journal in raid on a like in the minute, like, wait,
27:57
what's killing us? We don't really understand why
27:58
we're dying and it is often hard to parse.
28:02
There are very often times when we're in voice and we're like,
28:04
wait, is it this? But if that spell, I think
28:08
that's from this mechanic and but it says over here.
28:10
So I I think that there, there is an opportunity for clarity
28:14
because even when you do use it, you don't.
28:16
Even look at the details and be like what was the fatal event?
28:19
OK, let me click on on that and see what it is.
28:21
Hear me out. One cohesive unit.
28:23
I can go to my damage meter, I can see what killed me, I can
28:26
click the ability and it opens the dungeon journal and shows me
28:29
what killed me, and I can read the actual description from it.
28:32
I obviously love the idea of adding, you know, announcements
28:36
or highlight, hey, highlight this cast for me right from the
28:38
dungeon journal, being able to sync all that in.
28:41
That's a free idea, Fasdev, We're giving that to you for
28:43
free. I would love that that I like
28:45
that you guys use the dungeon journal likes we do as well.
28:48
If if things are happening, tanks especially, we'll go in
28:51
and have a look, say, hey, what can I ignore here?
28:53
Oh, all of it. OK.
28:57
Yeah. So like I am looking forward to
29:00
this. I am glad, I'm very glad that
29:03
there's only one new dungeon from the Isle of Coils because
29:07
what I've been seeing through like the videos, the twitch
29:11
stuff that I've been watching, there's so much green and drear.
29:14
I like I'm, I'm, I'm so sick of it and the patch hasn't even
29:18
come out yet. So I'm just like put in one
29:19
dungeon. I'll stay in Silver Moon where
29:21
I'm not going to get like seasonal depression in the
29:24
middle of summer and we'll go from there.
29:29
How is? Green, dreary Manny.
29:31
No, it's it's. It's neon green and grey
29:36
depression. Yeah, there's.
29:37
A lot of like dark brown, green and the neon.
29:41
It is a lot of Do you ever play? There's a game called Dark Souls
29:45
made by Manny watched. Me play that day.
29:48
Have you played Dark? Do you remember there's a
29:49
section in Dark Souls called Blight Town?
29:52
Was this? Within the first like before the
29:55
first, she did not get. Far no it's not no, no that
29:59
that's deep into the game it's. Blight down.
30:02
It was like they toned everything was dark.
30:05
It was really hard to see. It was a swamp.
30:06
It's it was it was awful, but it evoked in you a sense of just
30:10
like this is unpleasant and I don't want to be here.
30:13
And all of the it's like it's all green, it's all overgrown.
30:19
It's all very much like you can almost smell the zone, you know,
30:24
pictures of. This dungeon and they're
30:25
beautiful. What is wrong with you guys?
30:29
Watch it the get it in motion. Play through it like there are
30:33
some there are some great picturesque thing things that
30:35
you're going to completely skip as the enemy beats the crap out
30:38
of you and your tank. But like, just the general feel
30:43
of it is like I, I never thought the mall was that bad watching
30:48
this. I'm just like, man, I'm I'm not
30:51
going to enjoy this. I'm an ex.
30:53
Undead role player I can get behind a little a little
30:56
plaguey, a little messed up a little.
30:57
I like the. Undercity.
31:01
I I I got to watch a video because I think this looks fun,
31:03
OK. Anyways, yeah, like looking
31:08
forward to this. The dungeons are looking good.
31:10
I am excited. Between all the changes that
31:13
they've been making to the classes, the tear sets and of
31:17
course, of course the dungeons themselves, it looks like this
31:20
season 2 is going to be even better than season 1.
31:25
And the fact that like season 1 was feared is going to be the
31:27
worst season. And now, Sean, you're going into
31:29
this being like, this is good. Only up from there.
31:32
Hopefully this stuff some sort of weird inverse and we end up
31:35
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31:38
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31:42
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Ian has a coasters himself to chat about the state of World of
33:54
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33:58
high level if they weren't getting into this nitty gritty,
34:01
but there were some cool takeaways from this.
34:04
We had in iterating that the story of Mod Wow is broadening
34:08
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There was a conversation about how the team is was fixing bugs
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disastrous patches where they have to take housing down for a
34:24
whole day. That was related to a fix that
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they had done to the elevator in Siege Morgamar, which then
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caused an issue in housing. And so they have to shut that
34:35
down, keep everybody out of their houses because it would
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save a game breaking bug. Not fully game breaking, but
34:42
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34:45
hangings and slam them down to the floor and save it like that.
34:49
So they have to keep people out of their homes for a bit, but
34:52
they're changing their process so it won't be that bad that
34:57
they will put release candidates out and then only deal with
35:01
things in a way to not 'cause these bugs to occur so late in
35:06
the process. Which is great to say.
35:09
And with the latest release it seems that they have hit that.
35:13
I'm looking for it to become a pattern and then I will be
35:16
reassured. I think the biggest take away
35:19
from this interview, Manny, you're bury in the lead.
35:21
Ian listens to the show. Ian is fast.
35:24
Dev, where did you? Pull this that was in.
35:27
In the interview, he says I'm I listened to you for Azeroth and
35:31
they always are talking about me.
35:33
They're like fast dev, fast dev and they don't realize it's me.
35:36
Ian, how's the cost is? Yeah.
35:39
But I he so he wasn't that direct, but he did say that
35:43
there are loud voices in the community.
35:45
Clearly us not understanding who content is directed to and
35:50
dismissing the content. If that is not proof that Ian is
35:54
fasdev, I don't know what is. Ian, thank you so much for
35:58
listening. We're honored.
36:00
We're going to tone down the snark for the next 38 seconds
36:04
about. I have.
36:05
Never. Heard Lex say that she doesn't
36:08
know what the point of the content was.
36:10
That's never something like this ever said ever on this show.
36:13
Benny, we know. Fast dev doesn't listen to me
36:16
because I made one very reasonable ask that would have
36:20
caused a beneficial situation for everyone and they couldn't
36:24
delay or release one week for me.
36:26
Fast dev, you and I are still in a fight.
36:27
I don't care that you're even has Acosta.
36:30
OK, Yeah, I I do think that it is good to see that they are
36:37
looking at things in a holistic view, that it isn't just the
36:41
people who are loud on X or sitting down with like the
36:46
popular personalities and saying it makes no sense and everything
36:49
or like jumping on their podcast and like just talking over
36:53
people who like the content that like Delves or or actually a
36:59
really good example, when Nashitol and Val came out and
37:04
Heroic came out, I hadn't played it.
37:09
Sean, you were like, I don't see the difference.
37:11
Just go into heroic and the community from a lot of
37:15
different places were saying, Oh my goodness, this is too hard,
37:17
this is scary and everything. I personally feel that when they
37:21
clicked Heroic they completely ignored the part that said this
37:24
is for three plus players. And so when they went in with
37:27
their squishy, their squishy coffee at a relatively low item
37:31
level, they're like why can't I solo anything?
37:33
I have been playing that content over the last couple of weeks
37:38
and I've been enjoying it. I didn't think I would like
37:41
world content again. I had fallen out of doing world
37:44
quest and such just because it didn't have appealed to me.
37:47
Going in with a small band of my friends and doing that content
37:53
together. It gives me a little bit of
37:55
taste of how things were in errors of Wow gone by when I
38:01
couldn't just solo smash everything and hold my cooldowns
38:05
to like, I guess eternity. Like I have to be a bit more
38:10
exacting about how I go through stuff.
38:12
And I really enjoyed that. And so, yeah, maybe the content
38:16
isn't for Lex with her like 390 geared plate warrior that
38:20
doesn't see any difference other than I guess it takes a little
38:24
bit more to pull everything. But for other people, there's a
38:29
deaf and audience for this. Let's have you done any of the
38:33
heroic world content? Not.
38:35
Really, it hit at a point when I was working on gearing rapidly
38:40
and I could convince my team to run me through Mythic Plus, and
38:43
that was just going to go so much faster.
38:45
I will say in defense of the people who ran in and ignored
38:49
the suggested grouping, usually that is a lie.
38:52
Usually when World of Warcraft says this needs to be X number
38:55
of people, it needs to be this or that.
38:56
That is not correct. So I'm not blown away with
39:00
delves. I don't I haven't really looked
39:02
at the item level requirements for a while so I don't know if
39:04
this is still true, but for the longest time the item level
39:06
expectation was what the Dell dropped, which nobody is doing
39:12
content that is the item level that it drops right at that
39:15
point it's not meaningful. I mean it didn't OK some people
39:18
are but but the the point of contact hold on a.
39:21
Second, hold on a second because I have plugged into so many
39:24
different raves and so many different dungeons and everybody
39:27
demands that I'm at 390 for my mythic 2 plus.
39:31
So I don't know. Sorry if if.
39:33
The question is, are pugs unreasonable, especially for
39:36
DPS? That's an entirely different
39:38
conversation we can have, but when Blizzard?
39:40
Does it now? We got to have issues, OK.
39:44
Yes, yes. And OK, let let me be clear.
39:46
I do not want Blizzard to act like the average mythic plus
39:50
pugger. I'll say that with my chest 10
39:53
toes down. I'm not going to put any, you
39:55
know, asterisk on that one. That one I'll I'll commit to.
39:59
OK. I can I can get on board with
40:01
that, but I mean, look, I'm. A big proponent of world content
40:05
being harder, right? I think I think that world
40:07
content should be tough. I think it should kill people a
40:10
lot. I, I, I'm pro that I want delves
40:13
to be hard. I want, I've been saying for a
40:15
long time, I want them to be pushing up the the numbers.
40:18
I, I want not everyone to be able to go through every level
40:22
of delves the same way that I don't think every player can go
40:26
through every level of mythic plus, right?
40:28
I want that to be and I understand all the complications
40:30
behind it, but I think that would be good for the game to
40:32
have solo content that is genuinely challenging, that is
40:36
genuinely end game. So yeah, I'm totally proud.
40:40
OK. I mean, back in your days of our
40:43
peeing and and such, you didn't do much instance content.
40:47
Would you have welcomed this content instead of, like,
40:51
looking for those Ray teams that you eventually fell into?
40:56
Yeah, I. Think, absolutely.
40:58
I think that if I could have done more, I mean, frankly, I
41:00
would have been really excited about follower dungeons when I
41:03
was at our peer, right? Anything that let me go through
41:07
things on my own would have been really, really till you did.
41:09
One. Well, yeah.
41:11
And then? I would have been like oh This
41:12
is why all the mythic plussers hate each other.
41:15
I didn't realize it was this hard to do basic content.
41:19
I finally. I finally got an e-mail back
41:22
from many reports of Krenna the Earth Mother, and I was told
41:26
that they found no indication of her violating your code of
41:29
conduct. And I, well, this is obviously
41:32
briefing, I, I. Have to say that I feel like the
41:36
developer sat down and be like, now these guys are too organized
41:38
we're going to make this like a real pug situation.
41:41
Yeah, we. That's it.
41:44
Like they listen AI doesn't exist.
41:47
They came pretty close with Austin Huxworth to mimicking
41:51
what it's like to play with an actual BM hunter.
41:55
I am actually pretty convinced that some of those characters
41:58
are very. It is so obvious that they are
42:01
coded for example to if they get aggro, run away.
42:06
Like they are coded to be very difficult to work with, which I
42:09
don't fully understand. Like it was great for learning
42:12
to tank, I learned how to manage aggro much faster because of
42:14
that. But I feel like the people who
42:17
want to do follow dungeons for the sake of all our dungeons
42:20
probably are not just trying to learn the tank.
42:22
So maybe they run a little bit toward the tank, I don't know.
42:25
I'm also not entirely convinced that they're not actually devs,
42:29
that they just have a team of devs that just logs in and plays
42:33
for the followers and they spend the whole time in my Sarah
42:37
Caverns laughing. Watch.
42:38
You're going to pull this back now.
42:40
Lady thinks I'm a bot. That would be.
42:41
Hilarious. I wonder if follower doesn't
42:48
clearly not meant for me. I'm not the audience and such,
42:51
but there are times where I, I wish certain difficulties that
42:55
are more about the experience of the story and getting the
42:59
conclusion of like the zone or whatever happens within that
43:03
dungeon should be set up to be more of a scenario, should be
43:07
set up to embellish more on the story.
43:11
Like when you are doing a dungeon on normal and follower
43:17
dungeon, there's more dialogue, there's more vantage points that
43:20
like you see while you're going through the dungeon.
43:23
And then when you switch it to like mythic, mythic plus, it's
43:27
cuts those out and you don't have that anymore.
43:29
And because that is focused on I'm doing timing, I'm getting
43:32
the gear and that sort of stuff. But I think maybe they need to
43:35
double down on that separation. Discordian Kitty, who you
43:38
mentioned in a previous episode, talked about the failures of
43:42
story mode idea I may have hammered into her head.
43:47
And I dislike that raids now don't have those like story
43:52
moments that happened in the middle of a dungeon where you're
43:55
where it's like, oh, we're fighting against the general and
44:00
he's on the wrong side and this guy's been with us the entire
44:02
time. Or the clocks.
44:04
You're like, no, we told you we were going to betray you.
44:06
Like we're going to do that. It's all stuffed into the final
44:10
boss and everything before that is just here's a scenario here's
44:14
moves. This guy showed up from nowhere.
44:16
Hi, I'm like general the third is like what?
44:20
Where did you come from? I.
44:24
I do actually really think follower dungeons were a big
44:28
missed opportunity. I think probably that is because
44:32
they did not get as much positive reception as Lizard was
44:35
expecting, because I think in early War Within there were some
44:38
signs that they were going to take follower dungeons a little
44:41
bit more in the direction of a story mode version.
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For example, the Rookery. There wasn't like it was a
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little different if you were with your followers and the
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followers were all plot relevant.
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I was. I was actually pretty grumpy
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during the most recent lore drop when I did the Mayasara Taverns
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follower dungeon. Kind of.
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Expected that it was going to be the people like somehow relevant
45:08
to the fact that I was supposed to be going through this dungeon
45:10
with these people in front of me and it wasn't it was the same
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freaking loser, right? So hey, hey.
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Captain of Garland is a lovely person, That's true.
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OK. And.
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Marity Huntswell is my main source for water follower fast
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dev. We like follower dungeons.
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I log in on a healer, I queue for a follower dungeon right
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away, I take my 80 little mana biscuits, I give Mary a hug for
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thanks, and then I leave. Again, I don't feel like that is
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the point or the intended use of follower dungeons, to the point
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that I wouldn't be upset if those mana biscuits that you
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grabbed off of the NPC that I'm surprised you even remember her
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name disappeared the second you owned out.
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Yeah, that would be awful if they I'd be so upset.
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I would still go change it. So like.
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The the buffs, so the buffs. Disappear The buffs used to
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persist and people were because people are people they were
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using. They're like, oh, we need we
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need versatility buff. Well, let's just go get credit
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to give it to us before she pulls half the dungeon
46:16
accidentally and then takes and then somehow taunts a boss in
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and that's just point Zenith taunts it and walks it into an
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area that the players can't hit. And it's so crazy.
46:29
It's so crazy. Anyway, yeah, they, they they
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spanned that dungeon was off. It's I was on the PTR, gang.
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I'm sorry. Quick aside.
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I was on the PTR. We were tested.
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This literally happened. Krenna taunted the the boss on
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the void side, the one Nykara maybe something, her name is
46:48
Nice Nysara, the one that gets jumped by Letheri, let her
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accident in the little fight. She taunted it.
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Why is my healer taunting? She taunted it and then walked
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it off into the area that the players couldn't get there.
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So we just can. She's just standing over there
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with the boss, and we were just like Austin Hoxworth was like,
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yeah, I'm going to go pull something else because he's a
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hunter and that's what he does. Meredith and I were just hanging
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out with Captain Garland. It was just like, I don't know.
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I don't know, man. Like they're your friends.
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The same thing happened in Mayasara by by the way, where
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there's the room with all the dead things and you have to kill
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the I. This is the first time I learned
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you have to kill the boss in the middle to be able to go through
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the door, because I was like, oh, I wonder how much of this
47:28
room I can skip. I tried to guide them out of the
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room. They all laughed and I was just
47:32
running into that door, like, wait, just the goddamn.
47:37
Had to. Call them back and it was
47:38
absurd. So yeah, they they do have
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magical powers the players don't have.
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So fun I think it. Just it costs them a little too
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much to program the version of a hunter that is like, I don't
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know, in Nexus Point Zenith, you could easily put in Illyria as
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the hunter of the group, but her abilities work differently and
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program that in seems like a much more of an effort than just
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saying here's the set group. You replace one of these guys.
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If you're DPS, you replace this guy.
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If you're a tank, you replace this guy.
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If you're a heel, replace this guy.
48:13
All the rest are said. So I kind of get it.
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But I also think that maybe then these guys should be in silver
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moon and like interacting silver moon.
48:23
So you're like, Oh yeah, those those guys are around with us
48:25
for that campaign and such. And then it seems like a great
48:29
opportunity to build up these these characters as like the
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crew that's around with you, be like other members of a war band
48:37
sort of thing. But yeah, I would love to see
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more story back into the World of Warcraft.
48:44
And this interview did talk about the story, especially in
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12.1. While it might seem like a Side
48:52
Story at first, and clearly Ian has seen the criticisms to that
48:57
point, in reassures us that it ties into the overarching plot
49:02
of the world so saga and will bring us in.
49:04
So I am tentatively optimistic about that.
49:10
It does make me want to put on a tinfoil hat and be like, oh how
49:13
is this all going to work out? And there have been some cool
49:17
videos out there. I know there was one by Bellular
49:20
that was trying to like piece of paste this all together and
49:24
discording Kitty again has has been talking about different
49:28
things. So I'm excited for what's to
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come. In general, though, do you guys
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think this is going to be the next big thing or sort of
49:38
similar to, I don't know, liberation of undermine again?
49:43
Let's start with you, Lex. I'll believe it when I see it
49:48
just because of how point ones almost always seem to go in
49:51
Blizzard writing. But I have said every single
49:54
time I've been a little doomer and little jerky girl about this
49:58
that I think like, I want that to happen, right?
50:01
I want there to be something where Mallichras combines forces
50:07
with Zalitaf. Or like like I would love to see
50:11
the story that's going on here to genuinely affect the war, the
50:16
not the war within. We're going to go back on an
50:18
expansion, by the way, I would like to see it genuinely affect
50:21
the world source soul saga and I'd like it to be really
50:23
meaningful story And I I I want these stories to feel like
50:27
genuine 3 parter. So I'm hopeful.
50:29
I'm hopeful. The fact that Ian is saying it
50:31
means that they are genuinely paying attention to this and
50:34
making sure it doesn't feel like a a blip.
50:36
I'm a little bit concerned because the storyline feels like
50:38
what I would write if I was going to write a blip storyline,
50:40
but I again, I'd love to see it. I want to be disproven.
50:43
I want this to age really poorly.
50:45
I want the story to go very, very well.
50:48
OK, John, on your end, where your hopes or where are your
50:53
predictions? I.
50:54
Hated liberation of undermine so this can only be better.
50:58
And I love Zulaman so I'm already leaning.
51:00
I'm already like, I'm, I'm in that camp.
51:02
You know how sometimes you're like, I already know how I'm
51:03
going to feel. It doesn't matter what happens.
51:05
I'm there. It's like, oh, I have a date.
51:07
I really like this person. No matter what, this date's
51:09
going to go well, you know, and then you accidentally eat that
51:12
torture lettuce from Taco Bell and you get explosive diarrhea
51:15
mid date. Doesn't matter.
51:16
I had a good time with the person I like.
51:18
This date went well. Somebody saved me that great
51:21
analogy. Analogies are my thing, but
51:23
that's where I'm at. I, I'm all, I already know I'm
51:26
going to like it. Even if I would like for the
51:28
story to tie in. I don't want to walk away from
51:30
it feeling like, well, this was a side quest.
51:32
And I am hopeful that they will be able to, you know, in it.
51:36
It's, it's obviously something they've talked about, they've
51:38
discussed and they're aware of. It would be foolish for him to
51:42
specifically bring it up in an interview if they haven't
51:45
already got a plan in place to make it tie in Like that would
51:48
just be insane PR. That's so true.
51:51
Sean Ian would never do something like say we cores
51:54
aren't going to go away the day they get announced to leave I'm.
51:59
Like I'm going to go back and get that clip and also get the
52:02
clip from Sean be like, why would your feet?
52:03
Out of here, Why are you? I listened since I realized Ian
52:06
is Fasdev. I'm going to be a lot nicer to
52:08
him because he's a person. We can't say, be nice to devs
52:12
and then be mean to Fasdev on the show that's coming.
52:16
Fast dev because fasdev and I aren't in a fight.
52:19
But you can't because you're not in a fight with Fasdev.
52:21
Because apparently Fast Enough takes Sean's side on things,
52:24
guys. Do you not realize how many
52:26
times I've said I don't believe anything he says?
52:28
I am such a bad person. It's like, I'm so sorry.
52:34
It's like on record shopping like that.
52:37
Everything he says is 6. You know this is where we cut in
52:39
the Super cut of me mentioning that 6 tiers in a row we got a
52:43
mid grade wall. We, we can't, we can't do a
52:47
super cut. This show's already an hour
52:48
long, so we're going to be calling it here.
52:50
No super cut. Yeah.
52:52
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