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81 Beast of Bray Road: What Lee Hampel Saw That Changed His Life Forever · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. This episode I've recorded with
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  Speaker 1: mister Lee Hample, and mister Lee Hample bought a thirty
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  Speaker 1: five acre farm in southern excuse me, southern Wisconsin. He
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  Speaker 1: lives in northern Illinois. The reason he bought this property
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  Speaker 1: was to buck hay for his horses. And he bought it,
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  Speaker 1: I think back in two thousand and seven, and then
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  Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen he actually started like you know, using
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  Speaker 1: it or actually going up there and you know, getting
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  Speaker 1: into the United aspects of it, and he started finding
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  Speaker 1: strange footprints that were like what a day one, two, three, four, five,
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  Speaker 1: six seven padded footprint? And you're gonna see a lot
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  Speaker 1: of this in the video. So if you guys are
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  Speaker 1: listening over here on this side, you're gonna miss a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things that are being shown. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: I would suggest, you know, you can go over there
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  Speaker 1: and check that out too. So if you want to
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  Speaker 1: see the video, see the footprint, see the evidence, go
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  Speaker 1: over to the YouTube, like subscribe, subscribe while you're over
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  Speaker 1: there and you'll get you'll get to see all that.
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  Speaker 1: It's a quite it's a fascinating place. There's much more
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  Speaker 1: that I want to say about it. Hopefully, as mister
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  Speaker 1: Lee said, he'll come back on, or mister Hample said,
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  Speaker 1: he'll come back on and we'll get further into it.
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  Speaker 1: I had some Internet issues. I hope I get there
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  Speaker 1: straightened out. But so I couldn't show everything that he
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  Speaker 1: wanted me to show because of you know, it was
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  Speaker 1: just too slow to It wasn't the you know, refreshing
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  Speaker 1: fast enough. Excuse me. So but anyhow, he's hopefully comes
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  Speaker 1: back on because there's so much more we have to
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  Speaker 1: get into this story, so many more pictures, uh, so
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  Speaker 1: many more oddities, handprints, UFOs. Just just a guy came
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  Speaker 1: up from Skinwalker Ranch and they measured some electronic meter, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like a what do you call it was
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  Speaker 1: like a kate not a K two meter, but something
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  Speaker 1: of that nature type of uh meter that measures electronical
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  Speaker 1: you know, problems or whatever signal and it was off
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  Speaker 1: the charts. It's just so many things we have to
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  Speaker 1: get into. And if you guys knew me, favor you
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  Speaker 1: I listen to myself, I can't listen to them as
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  Speaker 1: much as I used to because of what I do.
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  Speaker 1: It's very time consuming with work and everything. But it's
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  Speaker 1: it's going well. I'm really really enjoying the process getting
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  Speaker 1: to meeting and incredible people talk and talk about incredible
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  Speaker 1: experiences and have some ideas behind this so that at
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  Speaker 1: the end we kind of know what this is. You know,
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  Speaker 1: footprints don't just start in the field, and they don't
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  Speaker 1: just end in the field, and they don't just you know,
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  Speaker 1: walk in a single file and then split into two.
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  Speaker 1: It's weird what's going on at this place. So I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate each and every one you and enjoy this episode
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  Speaker 1: that I called the Beast of Brave Road with one
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  Speaker 1: mister Lee Happle.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Hi, Tom, how you doing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing good today. You were saying that you had
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  Speaker 1: some thunderstorms and I just heard a rumbling out here
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  Speaker 1: as well. So it's the rainy season down here on
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  Speaker 1: the Yucatan and it's gonna get wilds Uh, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: let me I want to say thank you so much
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  Speaker 1: for coming on with me today. And you know, we've
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  Speaker 1: had a couple of discussions in the background. You sent
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  Speaker 1: me a lot of material to go over and I'll
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  Speaker 1: do my best because I was telling you my internet's
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  Speaker 1: a little wonky, but I'm gonna do my very best
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  Speaker 1: to go through some of that today. And uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you for having me. And I love the
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  Speaker 2: name of your show. Uh yeah, I had I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: there's a story behind how that name came about, but it's.
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  Speaker 1: Just a brain child, like you know, trying to find
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  Speaker 1: a name that kind of represents what I feel, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just kind of came just it's easy to remember,
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  Speaker 1: but at the same time, it's kind of cool and
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  Speaker 1: it also leaves, you know, like some questions. So it's
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  Speaker 1: basically how it works.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's it's a very good catch catch name. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it has good I appeal and and it does create
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  Speaker 2: a question. Look at that I the jupiterle what.
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  Speaker 1: What in the h double hockey sticks? Does that mean? Tom? Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: we're leave. Please do do an audience a favor. Introduce yourself,
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  Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about yourself and maybe where
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  Speaker 1: we can find you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm the Ample, and I was a math
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  Speaker 2: teacher for thirty five years. And what kinda high school?
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  Speaker 2: High school here in what kind of Illinois where I
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  Speaker 2: do live. I did purchase the property by Elkhorn in
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and seven. You can find me on Facebook
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  Speaker 2: or I don't really have a website. I don't haven't
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  Speaker 2: really pursued that. I've just been so busy, uh since
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  Speaker 2: twenty thirteen with my project of studying my hate field
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  Speaker 2: and and come and you know, analyze it. I have logs,
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  Speaker 2: I have albums. I have over one hundred thousand pictures
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  Speaker 2: on my computer, most of them have paranormal activity. I
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  Speaker 2: have uh, you know, three to five three to five
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  Speaker 2: cameras out the last twelve years. So that's really been
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  Speaker 2: my focus. I'm not really gone out and interviewed like
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing with.
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  Speaker 1: You, Tom.
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  Speaker 2: But two years ago I started saying yes to the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: People were asking me, and so I thought, Okay, it's
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  Speaker 2: time for me to be able to dispense my information,
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  Speaker 2: my data and and and people Hopefully people enjoy it
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  Speaker 2: and it's educational and entertaining and gives that a scope
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  Speaker 2: to the cryptid world that I hope is beneficial.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome, that's fantastic. I really appreciate that you're doing it
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  Speaker 1: because I know you're you're you're amount of science, you're
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  Speaker 1: amount of reason. We talked in the background for about
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  Speaker 1: an hour and a half all together, two phone calls,
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  Speaker 1: you know, trying to get a feel for each other
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  Speaker 1: and figure out how we want to present this information.
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  Speaker 1: Now as far as I know, it's Is it called
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  Speaker 1: elk Or Elkton, Elkhorn, Elkhorn? Okay, it's Elkhorn. This is
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  Speaker 1: the area known for like the infamous Beast of Bray Road.
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  Speaker 1: Is that is that true?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely? Everyone? All my neighbor's saying that I've seen
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  Speaker 2: the three times, okay, tremendous amount of evidence that I've
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  Speaker 2: sent you. And it's all started. I mean two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and seven, I purchased a property through my bomb's estate.
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  Speaker 2: I guess you would call it, and and and and
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  Speaker 2: I started farming my neighbors farm for me two thousand,
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, ten and twenty ten, and I
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  Speaker 2: was still farming bail on hay for our horses that
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  Speaker 2: we have here in Wacanda, we did have fifty horses
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  Speaker 2: at one time. Now we have cows and sheep and goats,
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  Speaker 2: and we still need a lot of hay. But nobody
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  Speaker 2: said anything to me two thousand and seven, two and eight,
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, twenty ten, twenty eleven, twenty twelve,
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  Speaker 2: or twenty thirteen, nobody said anything to me about the
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  Speaker 2: beast of Bray Road in here. I find out. Well,
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  Speaker 2: how I found out was how I was. I cut
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  Speaker 2: hey in September twenty thirteen, and I was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you cut hey when the sunshine and uh, and you
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  Speaker 2: know it takes a couple of days for it to
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  Speaker 2: dry and then you have to bail it. Well, it
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  Speaker 2: was ready to be bailed on a Sunday in September
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  Speaker 2: of twenty thirteen. So I called some of the guys
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  Speaker 2: I hadn't here in Wakanda to help me, because you
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  Speaker 2: need four to five guys to bail the hay. And
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  Speaker 2: you get up in the mouth and stack it and
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  Speaker 2: everything right, and they, oh, no, know, the Bears are
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  Speaker 2: playing the Packers. You know, I follow the Bears a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, but not too much. I'm a Bulls fan,
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  Speaker 2: but I, oh, man, you guys can't help. No, we
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  Speaker 2: can't help. Okay. And a couple of guys in elk
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  Speaker 2: Horn that you know, hadn't been helping me. So I
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  Speaker 2: called them. I said, hey, can you guys help me
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  Speaker 2: bailay on Sunday? It's ready and it could be rain
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  Speaker 2: Monday Tuesday. No, no, bulls, bears are playing the packers
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  Speaker 2: we at parties. No, we can't help, you know, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: what am I going to do? You know? And still
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  Speaker 2: I uh, okay, I'm gonna go up and bail a
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  Speaker 2: hay and just drop it. I'll get into the small
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  Speaker 2: squares bales and the rain doesn't hurt it really much
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  Speaker 2: if it's in the packed and the bales, even though
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  Speaker 2: it's outside. So I'll drop it on the ground. Well,
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  Speaker 2: in that process, I was going up on Bowers Road
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  Speaker 2: where my my farm is on Bowers Road, but I
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  Speaker 2: back up to Brave Road. I'm a quarter mile from
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  Speaker 2: Brave Road, okay, And so I'm really in between Bowers
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  Speaker 2: Road and Bray Road. And it's been seen many times
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  Speaker 2: on Bower's Road. Also, Linda Godfree bless her Soul named
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  Speaker 2: it the Beast of Bray Road and that that is
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  Speaker 2: the name that has been known by it. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: driving up there and I go and buy my neighbors
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  Speaker 2: and two of them are standing out there and they're
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  Speaker 2: in there yard. So I pulled in. I go, hey,
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  Speaker 2: what do you guys do on? You and I we're
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  Speaker 2: just hanging out, you know, I said, we aren't you
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  Speaker 2: going to watch the Bears packer game? No, our wives
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  Speaker 2: watch that. We don't watch that football. And I, hey,
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  Speaker 2: do I help me load six hundred bales and we'll
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  Speaker 2: just get on the wagons. I'll pull it in my
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  Speaker 2: barn and you know, rain and I don't care. I'll
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  Speaker 2: have it in the barn. Yeah. Sure, we'll come over
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  Speaker 2: thee and help you bail it. So they come and
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  Speaker 2: help bail it. We finished the six hundred bales, and hey,
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  Speaker 2: around four o'clock we're standing at the west end of
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  Speaker 2: mine shed looking out at the thirty five acres that
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  Speaker 2: I purchased in two thousand and seven. Now, remember nobody
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  Speaker 2: had said anything to me about anything.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So you're just you're going into this kind of
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  Speaker 1: like unaware. You're just don't You're just out there, you know,
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  Speaker 1: bailing hay, being a farmer, taking care of your business.
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  Speaker 2: I got you absolutely, And one gentleman looks at me
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  Speaker 2: and he goes, you know the you know, the werewolf
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  Speaker 2: lives back on your property. What Yeah, imagine my surprise, right,
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  Speaker 2: berewolf lives back at my property. Talking about he said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: my wife and mother in law they saw twenty ten
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  Speaker 2: on Bowers Road. He starts naming the farmer. That's the
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  Speaker 2: farmers that I knew. In fact, one farmer who was
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  Speaker 2: share cropping with me. He was because I didn't have
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  Speaker 2: my equipment up there until twenty eleven. My mom passed
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  Speaker 2: away in twenty ten, bless her soul, so I moved
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  Speaker 2: my equipment up there and started farming there in twenty
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  Speaker 2: eleven on my own. Before that, I had a neighbor
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  Speaker 2: farmer doing on shairs and he saw it on nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety nine on Bray Road. He starts telling me about
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  Speaker 2: these other people all seen this beast of Bray Road thing.
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  Speaker 2: And I go, you're so full your eyes are brown,
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  Speaker 2: You're so full of it, you know, And.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think i've heard it put that way.
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  Speaker 2: And I go, what, you you're crazy? He said, no,
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  Speaker 2: I know this here and this here, and he's tell
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  Speaker 2: me and people say the werewolf goes back on your property,
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  Speaker 2: and now it's known as the Beast of Bray Road.
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  Speaker 2: And I go, oh man, you know, okay, So a
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  Speaker 2: couple of days later, I was on Bowers Road and
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  Speaker 2: here was a raccoon and he had told me about
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  Speaker 2: the one farmer, uh you know, had seen had seen
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  Speaker 2: it eating the raccoon on Bray Road. So I put
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  Speaker 2: a raccoon back in my property. I dropped it on
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  Speaker 2: the far west end of my property, I said, half
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  Speaker 2: a mile from Bowers Road, in the court of my
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  Speaker 2: ole from Bray Road. I dropped it back in that,
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  Speaker 2: in that and my fence line, and the grass was
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  Speaker 2: three feet tall. That has dropped the raccoon in there.
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  Speaker 2: I came back a couple of days later, that raccoon
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  Speaker 2: is cut down the middle and all the innerds are gone.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's weird. That's more than weird. Who would
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  Speaker 1: for example, if that's a that's a you know, like
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  Speaker 1: a farmer or somebody who just doesn't like you, they
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't just do that and leave it there. You know
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  Speaker 1: that that's that's a strange occurrence.
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  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. I mean I grew up out of farm
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  Speaker 2: in northern Illinois and then I had relatives in Ryeland, Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: We've gone up there a lot and fishing and everything.
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  Speaker 2: I was outdoors a lot. I'm looking at this, and
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  Speaker 2: I go, the only thing that is possible, because all
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  Speaker 2: that three feet of grass that I had dropped it
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  Speaker 2: in was still standing straight up. And I go, had
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  Speaker 2: to be a hawk got in there, pecked open, somehow
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  Speaker 2: got the inrds out, you know, right, Okay, that's the
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  Speaker 2: only possible explanation, you know. So I go, okay, you
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  Speaker 2: know that's that's all right, that's really weird. Well, a
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  Speaker 2: couple of days later, I go back. Now the raccoon
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  Speaker 2: is not in this nest or hole whatever you want
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  Speaker 2: to call it, down in the grass. It's fifteen feet
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  Speaker 2: away in my hayfield, in a little pile piled up.
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  Speaker 2: And I go, that's a hawk. Can that fly in
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  Speaker 2: there pick up a you know, a twenty pound raccoon
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  Speaker 2: and carry it out and put it into a little
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  Speaker 2: pile on the hay field. So I go, okay, these neighbors, okay.
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  Speaker 2: I go down to the guys that told me, and
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  Speaker 2: I go, what do you guys been on my farm?
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  Speaker 2: You guys been back there messing with me, No, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we wouldn't go on your farm, and what are you
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  Speaker 2: talking about? And I said, well, this raccoon. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you know we would not go on your farm, and
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  Speaker 2: they wouldn't. Farmers don't go on other farmers.
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  Speaker 1: Let's right, right, mutual respect.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And they didn't know I had the raccoon out there.
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  Speaker 2: And he said, I told you that where lolf Is
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  Speaker 2: werewolf was back on your property. So the only possible
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  Speaker 2: way to get that raccoon out there is two hands,
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  Speaker 2: pick it up and place it fifteen feet away.
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  Speaker 1: Right, something with an apposable thumb or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, And I've had so much proof for that.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, if you if in twenty thirteen you
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  Speaker 2: told me, I'm gonna tell you Tom, there's a six
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  Speaker 2: and a half to seven foot tall dog man walking
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  Speaker 2: around on my property and al Car, Wisconsin, if you said, Lee,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna be saying that in twenty twenty five, you'd
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  Speaker 2: have my chainsaw, my dog I picked up, made me
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  Speaker 2: my wife. I would have been.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: Going to be saying that in twenty twenty five, skeptic. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen. I mean I just wasn't interested in it.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see it as very scientific. I know there
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  Speaker 2: was a lot of eyewitnesses. Of course you have the
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  Speaker 2: Patterson film rights and things, but biologists hadn't done anything
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  Speaker 2: with it, and so I was not It was just
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  Speaker 2: kind of a thing. Now and then you hear something
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  Speaker 2: about bigfoot and and Tom, there's a six and a
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  Speaker 2: half to seven foot dog man walking around on my
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  Speaker 2: property and I've seen it three times.
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  Speaker 1: Could you just could you describe maybe the first time
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  Speaker 1: you saw it and what happened? Could you walk walk
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  Speaker 1: me into that a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to go through the tracks because that sure,
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  Speaker 2: okay that during the tracks?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you want to pull up? You want to pull
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  Speaker 1: the track I have up? You want me to pull
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  Speaker 1: that up?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, sure, Okay. This is the picture that Least
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  Speaker 1: sent me. So for the people listening to this, you
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  Speaker 1: have to come over on YouTube and see this. But
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  Speaker 1: here here's what Least sent me, one of many.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah okay, So when when I knew it was not
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  Speaker 2: a hawk that was took it out of the out
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  Speaker 2: of this nesta, this hole in my on my fence
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  Speaker 2: line of three feet grass talk or the grass of
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  Speaker 2: three feet tall. I started looking actually in the neighbors
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  Speaker 2: field because my field was a hayfield, and right away
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  Speaker 2: I walked through the fence line I started seeing this
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  Speaker 2: track which you see on the left hand side. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this track hunting probably thousands of time now in the
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  Speaker 2: last twelve years. And the interesting part about it's got
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  Speaker 2: five toes. You can see. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: can zoom in on it anything or but.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can see that. It's let me say,
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  Speaker 1: how would you do that? That's I honestly don't know
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  Speaker 1: how I would do that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but yeah, okay, you can see the five toes
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  Speaker 2: around the outside, and there's a center pad ad in
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  Speaker 2: the center, and there's a heel pad that's a five
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  Speaker 2: toed seven pad, and you can see the nails canid track.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: It does not exist in the natural world.
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  Speaker 1: Right. For comparison, here is a coyote track that at
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  Speaker 1: least sent me to give you a comparison of what
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  Speaker 1: he's talking about. This is a natural canad track and
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  Speaker 1: it is only four toepads and a heel pads that
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  Speaker 1: would be five altogether. And this one is one, two, three, four,
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  Speaker 1: five six seven.
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  Speaker 2: It's five toepads and a seven pad track, and it's
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  Speaker 2: three and a half inches by three inches. It's three
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  Speaker 2: and a half inches long, three inches wide, much larger
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: than a coyote track.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: That's huge.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: It is the size of a wolf track.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, So this track.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Does not exist in the real world. It doesn't exist
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: in the natural world. And I've seen this track hundreds
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: of times. I sent you several pictures of it. So
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: in this process of trying to identify you know, okay,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: is there any possibility that this is something other than
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: the big or the dog man, the beast of Bray
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Road if you go back to that picture on the right.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: We contacted my brother Fred contacted the Natural History Museum
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: in Chicago and said, who do you use for a
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: track expert? And they gave us the name of a
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: gentleman in I think Montana, Montana, Utah, but out west,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: and so we contacted him. Fred contacted me and we
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: sent him the track on the left, and he sent
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: back the track on the right. That's his rendition of
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: what it is, and the explanation for what he says
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: it is is that there is a blue animal going
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: let's say twelve o'clock okay, not a double hit. But
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: it's another animal, another animal that crossed it, and the
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: orange one is going, let's say, at two o'clock.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Also its stepped inside of the other one. That's what
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: he's trying to say.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: That's what he says. Yeah, but okay, if you look
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: at at at what he's done. First of all, let's
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: look at the orange one, and he has a heel
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: pad that's on a ridge on you on the original track.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: It's on the right right.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: It would it would be in between the original one.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: There would actually be a little like an impression between
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the whatever, the heel pad and the one on the right.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: You would see it easily, right, And it's not there.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Not there. And then if you look at the blue animal,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: it's going going at twelve o'clock, it's got three toes.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: On the left hand side, there's a big gap because
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: he's got the orange toe over there, big gap to
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: the to the toe on the right hand side.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: It doesn't it doesn't fit anything right, it's absolutely made up.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: And and I sent as I said, I said, and
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: he said, well it's you know, he explained what I
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: just told you, And he said, I was glad. I
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: was able to help you.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: You didn't.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Made up you didn't know what to do with the track.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: You track like this, and you made up some hypothesis
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: of how this track could have been made. And I
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: said to him, I said, I've tracticed a half mile,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: and the tracks on the left or is what I
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: see for the half mile? You know, right, they're twenty
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: four inches apart in their straight line. And and so
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: if this guy, this this orange guy, he runs, he
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: steps on the track, then he's got to do a
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: loop and then step on the next track twenty four
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: inches away. Then he's got to do a loop and
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: step on the next track. I mean, right, it's aine.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, So I mean so that. So have you
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: have you spoken to any other dog bad experts to
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: see if he've had any because I've seen footprints too,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: but they look different than this one. The ones I've
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: seen are more like three toes, like three toes elongated
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: with claws, and they'd look completely different than this one.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: This is this is a very interesting track, indeed, very interesting.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I have five different tracks, okay, I mean ones. A
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: fifth track. I didn't send you a little because you
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: know that's that's a long show. But I have five
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: different tracks that are not you know, kyote, dear. I mean,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: we have no bear in Walworth County, southern Wisconsin, and
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: no bear, and there's no wolves. The wolves are up
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: in the upper everything is above the line. If you
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: draw a line across from Milwaukee to Madison, above that line,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: there's bear and wolves, but they're for much further north.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: So so this is the only thing I have there
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: is deer and coyldy, and that's not a deer coyoty.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: So I mean it's not I mean, he he and
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: he says he's he's able to help me. He didn't
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: help me. Is he made up a story?
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Right? Right? Right? So that now, now, now that we've
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: seen this is see, do you think this is the
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: actual footprint of the thing that you saw, of the
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: animals or the creature or however you would describedly that
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: what you saw?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Okay? If you if you look at okay, do you
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: have some more footprints?
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I'd have to pull them up. Give me a second
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: and see if I can find him. It's on my
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I gotta go. I got one of the shadow pictures.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I see, I got the someone's in the snow. But
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: they're all small. Hold on one second, that's that. That's that. Okay,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I got we need this, we need open. This is
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the this is the gate.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: That's twenty four inch step.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I got this. They got this one. Yeah, this is
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: twenty four inch step.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. People say, well, you only have one track, No
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I have I have track lines and this here you
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: can see the front track and then the back track
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: is and this one's about twenty two inches. He walks
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: about twenty anywhere from twenty four to forty eight inch steps.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Forty eight that's four feet guys, that's four feet. Yeah,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: it's insane. For the meter people out there, that's a
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: meter thirty. A meter thirty I lived in I lived
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: in Europe for twenty years, so it's about a meter thirty.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: To give you a reference of how far that is apart,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: like if I if I I'm six foot three, six
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: foot four, if I step, for me to do a
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: meter step, that's a kind of a stretch. But to
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: do a meter thirty or a four foot I got
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: to kind of hop a little bit. So that's quite
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: a small animal whatever it is.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and if I think you have the picture
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: of the four foot, if you go through this now.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Let's see, I am going to remove that one. Like
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I said, my internet is a little slow and wonky,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: so I have to kind of do this as I go,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and I got to actually find them. Hopefully I do
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: a good job. Mistermple. Okay, let's take a look. See
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I have a couple of these. That's all right. What's
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: this one here? It's kind of hard to see them
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: in their little, their little format. Here, here's another.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: One that's a very good five to seven pad track.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: You can see the five very clear of going around
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: and and the heel print isn't quite as big, but.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: It's well maybe it was. Maybe it was kind of
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: up on its toes a little bit when it's going
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: through this part.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes yes, but you can see the five toes
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: are on the outside. You see the center pad very
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: clear there, and the heel pad is a smaller. He
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: does walk on his toes sometimes.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, there's that one. I'm do my.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Best here the track expert in Montana. He never answered,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I said, here's another one.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: He never he never responded back to you. Do you
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: think it's just that's the weird thing about Academia's like
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: they always they kind of like want to protect themselves, right, he's.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: A track expert into the Field Museum in Chicago. No,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: we're too fire. That's that's way down. That's a cool
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: that's a cool star.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well we'll get to that in the second.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know exactly where all these are.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I downloaded them, Like I said, Mike, I didn't have
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: internet for two and a half days, babe, not the
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: name Standardnet. Yeah, like two two three days I didn't
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: have them. So I just I just got it, and
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I was going to go to a friend's house so
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I can do this interview, and I grabbed what I
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: could with the time that I had. No, I don't
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: have problems. I'm just trying to find a particular picture
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: that mister Hample is looking for. There, go, how's that one?
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Well that's another track five told seven, Pad, you can
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: see the five toes are on the outside center pad,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: hel Pad.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, what is exactly you're looking for? For the stride
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: in the snow?
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: We can look at that. Sure, whatever you can get
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: up on any of these tracks, So I guess story
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I got.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: It's Uh, it's kind of hard to see in their
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: little form image uh image file? Yes, which fun my
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: downloaded area here. Let's see. I gotta find where the
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: snow is. You send me a ton, you send me
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: a lot. And I just grabbed the ones that I
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: thought would be pertinent for the situation that we were in,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: and I can't see them all. That is that? That's
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the one that that's the shadow? Yeah, I don't think.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: For some reason, I don't think I have them. I
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: don't have them right now. I don't have them up
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: that don't. I don't really I don't have those.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Let's see this one here. I can't see that one.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that one is.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: If you can present, if you can present, then I
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: can show them from your side too. If you know
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: which one it is that you want to show me,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: then I can. If you can pop it up there,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: then I can present it here.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Can I just go to go and get it? Sure?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Sure? Absolutely?
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: So I can just go to my pictures and pick
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: it up. And and how do I get here?
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Just go to just go to present at the below
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: the screen where you are, you'll see present.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Oh wait a minute, I don't see present.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Oh are you on your phone?
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I'm on my phone oh, that.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Might be the problem. Then maybe that's a problem because
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I never worked from that in before, Like, uh, you
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: sent me Sommer's around thirty pictures, thirty five pictures, and
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't get them on. I just grabbed the ones
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: that were interesting to me, and I can't find. The
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: one that I really enjoyed that I don't have for
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: whatever reason is the one where you can see it
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: walking in the snow and then doing like a ninety
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: degree turn. That one was that is wild. It is
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: bugging me that I can't find her.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: In that's a that's a catch because the weird.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Thing about it is that you don't see like if
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: it were to be maybe that's it. Maybe that's it.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Look at it. There's one.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Here's an interesting one.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Yep, that's what single tracks. When allread cross my field,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I thought it was a single track, and then a
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: divided Look how divided? Yeah, and look at you. It's
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: you have an other picture. Look at the tracks behind
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: it their single file. And then it goes into two tracks.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: It walked all the way across my field the eighth
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: of a mile as a single track, and then it says, well, okay,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: there's two of us or in metamorphous in the two
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but look how clean it broke broke
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: apart there.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: It's it's like it's almost like it's like, what's the
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: word I'm looking for, Like, uh, geometric, it's almost geometric
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: in shape. It's it's almost like got a perfect geometric
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: angle in which it comes out. Is it would be
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: where one would be stepping on top of the other track,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: and then it would be two separate animals. It really
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: makes no sense.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: And they went on their merry way. One went west
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: and one went south.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: South.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, one went west and one went south. When I
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: tracked the two individual tracks, and they one turned and
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: went west and the other one turned and went south.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Right there, there's more than one there, I mean, I
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: have I've seen three three tracks all together like that,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: three of them.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: What he split out into three?
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: And you see this all the time on your property.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: The three I saw in February this year, Yeah, all
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: the time. The three eyes out slowanbill and I go, wait, man,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: this looks like a kind of file track, and I
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: start following. But it was a little more disturbed than that's.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And then that one was you know where it was
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: a single track, you could tell that it was, and
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: there had been other there have been, you know, two
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: or three. I thought there was two animals or creatures,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: and there was three. And then they went up about
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: you know, five hundred feet and they then the three
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: of them split off, but they were walking right in
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the track, you know, right all the way across my field. Again.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have any more of those. I could
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: have sworn that I downloaded more of them, but they're
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: not there. I'd have to go over into Facebook and
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: them out again on the messenger. But I don't have
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: them for a moment. So that's that's what I have
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: for the moment when it comes to tracks. I do
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: have some other pictures and things like that. But where
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: would you like to take the story up?
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: All right? All right, and you have the right angle,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: and you have the four foot tracks too, and so okay,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: you've seen those. Yes, let's go to May fifth, twenty seventeen. Okay,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: all right, And I was ten thirty at night. I
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: was pulling out of my yard, out of my driveway,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: and I was going into the town of Lake Geneva
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: to Walmart, and you know, and I turned out of
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: my driveway and to go south on Bowers Road. Okay,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and soy, I'm turning out. Here are two luminous oranges,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: red eyes, two telephone posts. I had so about two
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty feet of this and next to the road,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: and they were three feet off the ground.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I knew instantly this is not deer coyote, because I've
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: seen deer and coylty many times and they're green. They're
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: usually a yellow to maybe a slight tinge of green.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Right right, I've seen that myself. Actually that that is
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: absolutely true. When you shine the headlights on it, they
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: give that that that that reflective luminescence that you get
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: is like a greenish yellow. I understand exactly what you're
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: talking about.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Right, Well, these were oranges red.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's a bit disheartening. There's a bit disheartening.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Well disheartening. I knew right away. I'm looking at the beast,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: you know, the beast of Ray Road. You know the
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: dog man. I knew right away, So I threw my
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: brites on accelerated now. He then went down the embankment,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: and embankment is four and a half feet deep. I
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: measured that and on May fifth. The grass was a
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: foot tall on top, and so that's you know, word
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: and a half feet right there. And he's looking over
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: the top at me, above the grass with again these
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: very radiant luminous oranges red eyes, and and I go wow,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I knew that embankment was you know, four or five
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: feet tall, and he's looking over the top at me.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I measured the next day. But so I still throwing
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: my bright so I'm trying to get a little better angle.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: I couldn't see anybody. I never saw anybody in that situation.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: And then then instant I mean, I can't explain. The
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: blink of an eye is too slow. That's twenty five
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: hundreds of a second. That was too slow. He was fifteen,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: I say, he yeah, it was fifteen to twenty feet
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: out in the field. I mean, did it jump, did
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: it fly? I don't know, but it was next it
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: was next to the road, and blink of an eye,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: it's fifteen twenty feet and a turn and I see
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: one luminous red eye. And then instantaneously it's another fifteen
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: twenty feet and it turns again. I see one luminous
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: red eye. Now I didn't have any type of divine
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: instrument to test that. But that red eye out in
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: the field was just as bright as it was up
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: by the road.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: That makes no sense either, It.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Makes absolutely no sense. How can I mean, we have
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: some fish that create light. Of course, we have the
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: fireflies that create light through chemicals, But how can this thing,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: this dog man have a light source or an energy
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: source that can create an orange's red color in its eyes?
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's it was not reflect.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I've heard I've heard this before, like do you. People
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: will say, like, there's a reflective one, and then there's
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the one where it's actually emanating from this thing itself.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: People have seen it in the forest, so a lot
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: of times they only see one eye, like it's looking
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: out from behind a tree, and then they'll see the second.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: If you listen to Martin Groves story, I know you
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: probably know his story by now. Martin Groves, Yeah, it's
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: it's insane. It's insane story. But he actually thought there
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: was someone smoking a cigarette the woods. He's a former
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: a police officer in Tennessee and he's he said, okay,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: what are you doing out of here on our campsite?
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: And then it just jumped out on him. And just
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: roared and yeah it's these these things are just uh,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: they kind of defy what we know as normal, like
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: physics or normal measuring, or the normal ways in which
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: would measure empirical type evidence. It doesn't make any sense.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, it doesn't mean no, it's not it's
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: it's supernatural or paranoa, whatever you want to call it.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: That all concept. I'm I mean, I've been tracking this
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: guy in snow and just a little bit of sidelight
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: and the tracks will stop, just stop, or I have
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: pictures of all that stuff. Or I've been walking in
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: you know, snowmobill and the tracks will just start in
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: the middle of my field. So he has this ability
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: to move either you know, interdimensionally or portals.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Lee, weren't you telling me on the phone something about
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: something about you were going out and measuring the the
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: electrostatic in the air and the weird readings that you
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: were getting.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, that's a whole nother story. Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: we gotta get this one, so we'll finish something.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, sure, this is your story, man, I'm just here
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: to help you get it out, buddy, I promise.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: All right. So, so I know right away. I can't,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you know, I saw I go down the road. What
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I think I did. I go down the road about
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: a mile, turn around in a farmer's driveway. Come back,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: shine my lights out in the field, just try and
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: see it, because I never saw anybody. All I saw
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: was two red eyes, two red eyes, one red eye,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: one red eye, orangees red eye, you know. And and
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I never saw a body. I thought I should see body.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: I did call it hypnotist and try and see if
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: there'd be a possibility that you know, I could be
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: hypnotized and bringing back. And he was not very positive
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: about that. So I didn't do that. But so I
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: looked down the field. There's nothing there. I said, Okay,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I gotta tell somebody this eyewitness report. The quicker you
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: do an eyewitness report, the more accurate it is. And
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: so and and I witnesses, of course, not accepting the
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: scientific field, legal field, court of law, but you have
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: to have four or five six witnesses that say, you know,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: I saw that guy, you know, robbing the store, So
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: the have to be collaboration. But anyway, I wanted to,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: you know, to talk to tell somebody right away. And
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: so it was like you know, ten thirty when I
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: knew it was ten thirty when I was pulled on
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: my driveway. So I I, my brother Fred has been
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: very helpful. He helped me, you know, get the well,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: he got the gentleman from the Field Museum, a history museum,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: for for the track. But I said, I got to
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: call somebody, and I know it's kind of late. So
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: I pull in my yard, I go down, turn around,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: like I said, shine out in the field, pull in
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: my yard, pull on the end of my shed, my barn,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: and I called my brother Fred because I want to
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: tell somebody right away the story, you know, And so
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: I so I called him, and I, of course I'm
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: very calm and collected. I just saw I just he
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: was that right that he got read on. So I
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: told I told him the story what I just told you,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: and and we talked about for a while and things
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: that type. So then I then I went to bed
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: that particular night, I got really ill.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, that's interesting.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, No, no, it's.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Not okay, but like okay is in like that's that's
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: like when someone says, you know, not just one and
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: did this horrible thing, and you're like, okay, it's kind
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: of like that, Okay, what I mean. I know, I
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: know we're we're we're joking right here, but I understand
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: what you mean. So so you would people like to
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: say infrasound, I don't know what that is. Some people
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I prefer the word zapt you know what I mean
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: to give it because it's kind of hard to quantify
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: what that is.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: So what were you feeling, Well, zapp wouldn't be scientific infrasound.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Lions was infrasound, and.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not. It's kind of hard to put the
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: scientific spin on the paranormal. That's what I'm trying to say.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Explanation for what occurred. I went in my room. I
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: have a room in my barn. It's a bedroom and
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna stay there that particularly in May fifth, twenty seventeen.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: I go in my room and I start to I
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: started throwing up. I run up to the bathroom, and
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: you know, I got really ill. I was really ill.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: So and my brother Fred called me the next morning
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: after I talked to him, called me the next morning
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: and I didn't answer. I heard the phone kind of ring,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: and maybe, but I was really kind of out of it.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I was sick, you know. And so he called my
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: wife and my son who lived here in Wakanda, Illinois,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: and said, you know, Lee saw the beast last night
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: and he's not answered his phone. Well, they worry, you know,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: they worried because there's lights up there, there's orbs up there,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: there's UFOs up there, and people for one one. You know,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: they do go missing. So so my son, my youngest son,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: said I I'll go up there. I'll go see him,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: you know, I'll go check on it. So it's like
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: around nine, nine o'clock in the morning he came flying
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: and then he comes in you okay, you okay? And
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I go, I'm not okay, I've been really sick. But
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: I said, you're here. We gotta go down and look
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: for tracks.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Wow, dedication.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Tracks. I said, yes, I'm it felt like it felt
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: like a really bad case of food placement. That's what
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: it felt like. Okay, Okay, that was the only way
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I can describe it. So I know he's my son
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: and and but I wanted another person to verify that.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: We would go down to the exact spot where I
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: saw it and look for tracks. And we went down
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: to the exact spot where it was I knew right
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: by the telephone pole, and here are these five toed
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: seven pad tracks right on the edge of that field. Okay,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: the only tracks there.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: So that's how you're that's how you're putting two and
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: two together. Then I got you all right.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: It was the only tracks there, and and I sent
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: I took. I sent you the best ones. Not a
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: real good track, but you can see the five toes
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: and uh, you know, it's hard to get a good
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: picture of a good track, but you know, yes, iive
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: toes and the seven pads. And then and there was
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: a couple of them right edge of the field, and
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: again fifteen twenty feet out there was allowed to bring
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: in the field. We couldn't find any more tracks. So
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: whether it jumped or flew, I mean, I've seen it
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: nine to twelve foot jumps in snow too, but it it.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: We couldn't find the other tracks out there. So so
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: the the creature I saw made those five to seven
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: pad tracks, which are non existent in the world except
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: I saw the creature and then I saw the tracks
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: the next morning.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: So you see the creature that made them, and then
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: see the tracks that they left behind, which correspond with
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: the tracks that you're taking pictures of on your property.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: That's what you're telling me.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, wow, Wow, What do you do.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: With something like that? Lee? Like, who else would you?
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Who else? Is there anybody in the field that you
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: would know they can like maybe that you can contact
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: that that I'll reach out to through my channels and
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: see there's anybody out there who knows anything about it.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Because the ones I'm seeing look different than that. They
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: don't look they look more i don't know, like more
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: alien and spooky. Like those look more like a like
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: an old knut or something, or or some type of
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: other biological being that kind of resembles that. That looks
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: completely different than the ones I've been seeing.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, I mean Linda had one track in the years.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: It's in like fifteen years, and it was a three
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: toad trash and I've heard.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: That's the ones I've seen.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can. You can drive up to Mexico City,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: come to Alfrona, Wisconsin tomorrow and I'll show you tracks. Okay,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: By ninety percent of the time I look for tracks,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: a five total seven pad track, I will find them
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: in my field or the neighbors field. Okay, all right,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: The rest of that story.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we can go wherever, wherever you want to lead.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: I'm just following along, man, I don't I don't know.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: You kind of like want to you have a way
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: that you want to present the information. I'm sorry, I
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: don't have the visual things with me. I will be
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: better prepared next time. Give me a little bit of
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: leeway because of the lead leeway. There you got. There's
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: a nice little pun. And at the same time, like
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I said, I always having a bit of internet issues
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: and I will I will definitely fix those the next
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: time I have you on for sure, and we'll get
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: I'll have them all up, I promise.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, well, tracks are facts, and tracks are scientifically valid. Okay,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: that's that's the crucial part about tracks is they are facts.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: And you know, if I had bear tracks, you people
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: have a bear there, I have, you know, cougar tracks,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: which don't show the toes. Only feline that shows toes
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: is the cheetah. Their toes are always out because of
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: the speed they're running, and and and you know, and
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: tracks are facts, and you know, so that's a very
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: important part of my research is tracks. But the rest
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: of the story gets creepier yet okay, oh man. So
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: so that was May fifth, twenty seventeen. January first, twenty eighteen.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: My niece, she has Fred's daughter. She has always a
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: brunch on New Year's Day. So that particular New Year's
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Day be January one, twenty eighteen. We were there at
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: the brunch and I was talking to my brother and
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: my sister in law Sharon, and of course it just
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: had happened. You know, six months before that I had
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: seen the beast the Bray Road, and I'm saying, yeah,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I said, well, I'm sorry I called you so late.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: It was probably like almost eleven, you know, because ten
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: thirty one on my driveway, went down, turned around, came back,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: pulled through my barn, pulled that other end because I
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: get a little better reception down there, and you know,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: call them. That's what I did, maybe because Sharon looks
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: at me and she goes eleven. No, it was after midnight,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: and Fred said it was after It was like twelve
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: twenty and I that's an hour, hey, no way, it
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: was twelve trains. Yeah, it was Where was I for
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: an hour? An hour? Yeah? So I called mobile wan
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: we got Mobile one. Yeah, I called them and I said,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: I need my phone records from you know, from Mayeah, Yeah,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: May May, May fifth. And they, oh, we don't have them.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: I said, I saw in Law and Order.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: They went back to, now, give me my phone records.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: It's not playing.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: I saw it. He goes these. I was laughing. No,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: we keep them thirty days. Okay, So but I have
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: verified proof that I lost an hour to an hour
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: and a half a time. Tom, You think that I'm
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: as a science person and mathematics teacher, and you know
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: high school and chemistry and computer science I taught for
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: ten years, and all of a sudden, I don't know
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: what reality is. My reality is not the reality that
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I have proof.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that must be very troublesome to a person like you.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Who who who? Who? Who does that? And this is
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: your thing, this is what you enjoyed, this is your career.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: And then something like that happens and you have no
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: It completely throws everything that you know about the world
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: that you have been studying or teaching for the last
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: thirty years or however long it was. It flips someone
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: that s head. That must be very troublesome.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say I mean disconcerting for a while, but
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: I've had so many things now happen out there. I've
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: lost times three times and verified that I have what
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: I thought happened and what did happen, some of them
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: on video and I said I was not at that
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: I was not at that location, and there was a
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: camera crew from Denver and I was at that location,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: and I swear I was never there.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard this before, though, I've heard this before.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, times that I've verified proof that I've lost from
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: an hour to an hour and a half a time
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: that I have no idea where I was at during
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: that time.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: That's scary, man, scary.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: It's really scary. You think what you you think? What
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: you know, what you did and you didn't do that,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: you were someplace else for a while.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was wondering why you were being so
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: adamant about what you did, what time it was, who
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: you called when you did what you did, and you
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: did that to set up this, this this situation.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: I was like, where is he going with this? Okay?
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: All right? Man? With you?
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't. I didn't do it. That's just
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: how I would be, you know, I would, I.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Would, right, sure, sure, absolutely.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: I would mark those times and you know, keep that.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Uh you know, I have log of all this. I
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: have a log of everything. So but it's uh, you know, now,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: did I get sick and and then I was someplace
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: else for an hour and a half or an hour
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: to an hour and.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: A half maybe just sat there in the driveway and
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: just kind of just zip by you because I've actually
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: I had a guy on who had a video about
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: lost time, but they lost a video where he said
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: he had a beer. They just opened a beer, They
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: sat the beer down, They had it on video camera.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: We had like a security video camera in his house,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: and they set the beer down. He remembers the movie starting,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: and then the next thing, you know, he sees the
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: credits roll and he goes, what's going on. They didn't
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: even drink their beer. All the sweat and the water
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: was on the actual table. But at the same time
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: there's a video. He goes, oh, I got that on video,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: and it's just them just sitting mindlessly looking at the
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: movie and nothing happened, and they don't remember even watching it.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: It happens. What it is, I don't know, but you know,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: nobody really knows at this point. Who knows anything about this.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: But we're trying. We're spinning our wheels. This is what
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: we're doing. We're trying to like present evidence. I think
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: these tracks are incredible. They're incredible. They're very well, very
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: well defined, and very well seen, and I think it's
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: a good start into what we're going to be. Hopefully,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: if you'd like to come back on, We've got about
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: ten minutes left, uh to present because people like to
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: take these an hour chunks. I didn't make the rules leave,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: it's just used to be the way they like them.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: And it's just it's just like good, It's just it's
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: and there's there's so much more, guys, there's so much more.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: There's so many things that he hasn't even talked to
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: me about yet. Then I'm but he's he's given me
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: like a little cookies, you know what I mean, little
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: little things that makes me question more and all that,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: and it's just it's, Uh, you had no idea when
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: buying this property that the beasts Bray Road was even
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: a thing. And now your experience and it's now it's
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: become you. You're retired now, right, isn't that leaf You're
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: you're retired from as a teacher.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: I retired in two thousand, right, okay.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: And then now this has kind of become, you know,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: a big part of your life. And uh and and
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: it's just a puzzling and you enjoyed the puzzle.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean it's a it's science moves slow.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't say it's troublesome at all. It's
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: just a study now that I've pursued it was presented
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: to me. And what do I do? Dismiss it or
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: pursue it as a scientific study as best that I can.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, Einstein told us that there were black holes
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: in the twenties and thirties. Mathematically it proved there were
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: black holes, and we never found a black hole until
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: the sixties. We have no mechanism to find black holes,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: even though mathematically it said it said there were black holes.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: So fifty years from now, you know, maybe somebody will
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: look back and say, you know, Lee Hample was doing
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: research back in you know, twenty twenty five, and we
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: knew then. We know right now that mathematics says there's
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: multi universes, right, there's multi universes. Now, we have no
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: way of identifying anything other than our three dimensional universe
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: that we live in right now on this planet, you know,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: or the plant in the universe we live in, and
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: we have no way of identifying any other situation. But
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: fifty years from now we may find a way to
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: move from one universe to another universe? Are they parallel?
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Are they intertwined? That we don't know, but mathematic says
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: there's more, there's multi universes. So maybe fifty years from now,
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: somebody will say, you know, you know, leegh Hample was
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: doing research back then, and maybe it'll help. That's that's
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: my that's my goal.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Are you are you like maybe going to be putting
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: together some type of scientific paper for for scrutiny in
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: the scientific community, or whether that just never even take
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: flight because of the way it's set up in like
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: the academic area of the of you know, in academia.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: I tried to talk with the University of Wisconsin medicine
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: a quantum business. I try to talk with one from
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: the University of Illinois, and it's just way too early, Okay.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: I put together a paper right now, I will just
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: come I call it observational physics, and I will continue
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: to collect data, keep my log, keep my I have over,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Like I say, one hundred thousand pictures on my computer,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: I probably have two hundred SD cards with the information
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: on there. I've kept all those, and I have albums
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: that I've kept so uh and and and other other
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: items I have that I have kept over you know,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: for data. And that's just I'm I'm in a study mode,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: just like you know I would be on any other situation.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, So you're you're so you're saying you're still in
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: the early stages of collecting data before you're able to
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: maybe put some type of like and you can't really
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: put together any type of hypothesis just yet because you're
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: just still in the in the in the beginning of
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: of collecting this odd data that doesn't fit what normally
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: you know, like any type of biologists would or biologists
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: or you know, electro you would know the words, you know,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: anybody who studies the electromagnetic fields and things like that.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: It seems to be something is coalescing coalescing on your property,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: and you're just out there collecting that at the moment.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: That's correct, that's really that's really what I'm doing. And
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: people say, well, what do you think it is? Well,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: you know, I can tell you what it's not. It's
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: not a deer, coyote, or a bear or cougar, you know, right,
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: tell you what it's actions. I can tell you what
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: it does. It plays games with me and threw a
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: stick in my truck. It throw a rocket my truck.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, it chased me down Bray Road. Well, a
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: big light, A big light chased me down Brai Road.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, whoa, oh yeah, yeah, there's lots of story
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: story I mean, but to identify what it is, I know,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: I know it can move from this universe, our our
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: our three dimensional universe to another universe, because it'll it'll
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: be walking across my field and the tracks will just stop. Yeah,
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: And that can't happen unless it has moved to another
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: you know, through a portal whatever you want to call them.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: But it has moved to another uh.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Or taken flights somehow, if it had wings or something
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: like that. But that's not what you're seeing out there.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: That's not what you're seeing, you know what I mean?
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: And I I have I have pictures of portals too.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but you're not going to show me those.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: That's fine, We'll get to that one day, maybe one day.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: I love uncomfortable silences. You have no idea how much
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I just enjoyed.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: That we got. We gotta see if if somebody will
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: do a ten episode show and I'll arrive, I'll do
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: better than Skinwalker ran.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, well you know, if you know, if
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: you're willing, I'll definitely have you on again, man, because
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: I think we're not even close to even scratching the
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: service on just as just okay, you bought this property
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: and these things started happening. You're seeing footprints and you've
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: seen it for the first time in uh okay, I'll
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: get the date right, May fifteenth, two thousand and seventeen.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: May fifth, May fifth, I want to say fifteenth for
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: some reason, but I'll get there. And I got May eleventh,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, and I saw it on May twenty,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Three. So that's interesting that you're seeing it in May.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: I saw that one. I mean other people have seen
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: it all year round. My neighbors have seen it in
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: the last you know, well, they've seen it. I can
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: go down the road. Every neighbor has seen it from
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighties till now. They've all seen it. But they
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: won't talk about it. Like I told you, they won't
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: talk about it. I mean I was there. I had
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: my fire in two thousand and seven, twenty thirteen, and
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: nobody said boom aware wealth living on my property until
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: my one neighbor didny you know, so.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I want to thank you so much for
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: coming on today. I this is just to start, just
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: is just to start, just to get people, because I
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: kind of want to get as much as I can
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: out if you're willing. If not, that's also fine. We'll
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: do our best. And I appreciate it so much as
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: you came on and spend your time with me today
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: to get to get to the beginning, to keep people
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: a foothold of someone the extreme strange occurrences that you
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: are experiencing out on your property.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: It's been very enjoyable talking with you.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I hopefully I've tried to keep it.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I try to keep it light hearted because you know,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: some of this can be scary, especially if you're you know,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: experiencing time loss, and if you're experiencing like you know,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: some type of sickness, that's that's nothing to be uh,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: nothing to take lightly. It's it's a scary. That's a
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: scary proposition, and it's it's it's it's hard, you know
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: what I mean, because there's such a pigments of these
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: kind of things. It's getting a little easier, you know,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: because of the Internet and a lot of this is coming out.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: But do you imagine people in the eighties who see
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: this thing and then they who are they going to tell?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Who they gonna tell? And let someone thinks they're crazy.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: It's impossible.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: And that's why my neighbors wouldn't talk about it. I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: talked to some of them since then they said, you know,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: no people, I made fun of people, and then I
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: saw it run through my yard. I didn't want to
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: see that thing run through my yard, but I made
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: fun of everybody. Sure, and I hopefully through my efforts
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: that it will be uh, you know, and I think
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: through other many efforts, now that it is uh, you're
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: able to talk about it and not be uh made
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: fun of or you know.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I just want to That's what
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: I want to do with everybody, you know what I mean.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: I give everyone, you know, the ability to come on
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: here and say what it is that they've seen and
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: that's important to me, or say what it is that
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: they're that they feel, or say what it is that
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: they think that is going on. You know, some people
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: are biblical about it, and that's fine with me, you know,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: because no one really really knows. And that's fine too.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with saying I don't know. Some people
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: go through the lens of their faith, and some people
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: go through the lens like yourself, sir, of you know,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: more of a scientific rigor. And I think both are
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: valid and I think both have something to maybe offer
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: the world. And in any case, if you're going out
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: there and you've see these things, guys, be safe, and
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: you too leave be safe. I know you've been out
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: there for quite a few years, but still at the
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: same time, who knows what this thing can do. If
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: it can make you feel sick from you know, two
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: telephone polls away and then twenty five feet and however
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: far was in the field, and now you're feeling sick,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: that's weird. And then now you know you're missing an
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: hour and an hour and a half time that you
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: got to be safe.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: My friend, thank you, I will, thank you.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: I will, buddy, thank you very much. So remember guys,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: we are the eye, we are aware, love you all
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: and have a wonderful day.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Nay, everything s