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The Hidden Toxins Behind COVID's Long Shadow - REPOST Ep. #242 · Gladden Longevity Podcast

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  Welcome everybody to this edition of the Gladden Longevity Podcast.
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  I'm your host, Dr.
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  Jeffrey Gladden.
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  And as you know, on this podcast, we're focused on helping you live young for a lifetime.
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  In order to do that, there are four questions that we focus on.
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  The first is how good can you be?
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  A global question in terms of how good can your life be, your personality be, your spiritual connection, your health, your vitality, your contribution?
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  So it's a big question.
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  And following that, it's how do we make 100 the new 30, the title of the book I wrote.
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  And then how do we crack the code on the Hayflick limit?
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  How do we live well beyond 120?
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  And if we can answer that question, I think we're going to move into a new era.
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  So today I have with me a guest who I've met only online.
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  Margaret Christensen, and she's a really fascinating woman that works in the medical space.
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  She's a medical educator and does many things.
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  And you heard me talk about that in the introduction, but I'm really excited to have this conversation because you're going to hear about an intersection of a problem that was in
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  everybody's mind a couple of years ago, but is still having.
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  really big impacts on society and people in general.
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  So we're going to talk a little bit more about COVID, which we haven't talked about in a little bit.
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  So Margaret, welcome to the show.
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  Thanks so much for having me, Jeffrey.
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  Yeah.
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  So, you know, in your, when you introduce yourself to the audience a little bit from the standpoint of the confluence of, you know, expertise that you bring to kind of think about
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  COVID and its impact on, on us to this very day.
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  Sure.
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  Well, I have an upcoming event that's called Hormonal Havoc, the COVID fallout and how to fix it, but I could have called it also Neurological Havoc.
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  I could have called it Cardiovascular Havoc.
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  I could have called it Fertility Havoc.
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  I could have called it Mental Health Havoc.
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  I could have called Children's Health Havoc, Autoimmune Havoc.
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  So my original, but I call it Hormonal Havoc because my original training is as an OBGYN.
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  And so, you know, there was 16 years of, you know, eight years of training and then, you know, 10 years of practice.
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  I guess that's 18 years.
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  Mm -hmm.
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  really deeply involved in pregnancy, fertility, having four babies of my own, et cetera.
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  And then, so that's my kind of original background.
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  And then like many of folks who got into the field of integrative and functional medicine, I got sick and I couldn't get better with how I was trained.
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  And...
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  how did you get sick?
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  What was going on for you?
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  Well, I had severe chronic fatigue.
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  I had terrible fibromyalgia.
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  I had all kinds of gastrointestinal symptoms.
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  My brain couldn't think.
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  I was, you know, severely brain fogged.
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  And I literally could not keep going.
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  Yeah.
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  let me get this straight.
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  So you're in the middle of either starting your family or having your family at this point.
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  You have all four children at this point.
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  So I've got, yeah, I've got my four kids, you know, I've been up for 16 years, you know, on call, sleep deprivation with my own, as well as my children, you know, I mean,
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  delivering others and having my own babies and breastfeeding, you know, so yeah, it was lots of years of pretty high.
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  lot of health leveraging going on right there, right?
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  A lot of sleep deprivation, taking care of others, the whole nine yards.
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  And so in that context of really kind of hyperextending yourself, is that when the symptoms began to appear?
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  Yeah, that was part of it.
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  And part of it was I had "made it", you know, and I bought a big fancy house on, you know, one of the fancy streets here in Dallas.
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  And, you know, unbeknownst to me, that house had a very significant issue with toxic mold.
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  Now, I didn't know that at the time.
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  But after we moved in, I'd made it, you know, all that I started getting like, again, that's when all the symptoms really started.
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  You know, by this time, my fourth child, I don't know, she was two or three years old.
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  And yeah, but all my kids were sick too.
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  Now I didn't connect any dots at the time, but we had ADD, allergies, asthma, ear infections going on, migraines in my kid, and then my former husband just severely,
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  severely depressed.
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  So here we are, "I've made it" and then I crash.
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  Yeah, right, right.
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  Right.
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  Yeah, and I love all the work that you do too on mindset and that piece and we can certainly get into it.
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  So what happens is here, so here I am this totally type A person, always makes A pluses on my test.
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  I went to RISE, I graduated in the top 10 of my class.
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  I couldn't think, I couldn't figure out how to take a shower.
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  It took 30 minutes just to figure out what's the next step.
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  So I then, I went on my...
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  colleagues and they said, "honey, you're just depressed.
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  Here's your antidepressants, here's your pain medicines, go see a physical therapist." And two years later, I can't function despite doing all that.
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  And that's how I fell into integrated whole systems function medicine.
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  basically bought off on what they told you in good faith, of course.
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  This is for your colleagues.
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  You trust them.
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  And so, but two years into it, it's not working.
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  And then there must have been some sort of a light bulb moment or there must have been some spark that said, maybe I'm going to go down a different path.
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  What was that spark?
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  How did that?
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  spark was a friend of mine was a Shaklee distributor and she gave me a pack of Shaklee vitamins to take.
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  And I thought, you know, how we were trained, this expensive urine, you know, whatever, I'm not going to, you know, but I'm like, what the heck, nothing else is working.
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  I'm taking all this other stuff and I still feel like crap.
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  I can't sleep and I'm exhausted.
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  And so I just started taking some nutrients and then I was like, 'Oh, my God!', I just, I, it was like, wow, you know, three months later, I'm like, I'm feeling so good.
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  I quit taking them.
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  And then.
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  That works.
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  I crashed again and that's when I went, aha, okay.
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  Yeah, and then I fell into functional medicine.
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  I have four children, two of whom are significantly neurodivergent, somewhere on the autism spectrum scale, one very severely so.
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  So this was all happening with my then nine -year -old son, he's 32 now.
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  And so I fell into functional medicine because I had a colleague who was doing that and she said, "well, you need to check this and this and this out."
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  And so I just, I started learning a little bit about that.
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  And, but in the meantime, the, you know, my world fell apart in moldy houses, everybody's sick, you know, and are depressed.
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  And, you know, so you see a very high divorce rate.
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  And so, so that happened.
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  And so we had all this other stuff going on and it wasn't really until.
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  your husband depressed before he moved into this house?
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  anxious, but not depressed.
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  Yeah.
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  And, you know, as you know, it's multifactorial.
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  It's multiple layers.
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  There's genetics involved.
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  There's detoxing.
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  There's trauma.
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  There's, you know, there's a lot of things, but that's what kind of got me, that's got me into whole systems functional medicine.
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  And then when I got sick a second time around from a really bad office, and that's when I ended up seeing Dr.
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  Dr.
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  Bill Ray at the Environmental Health Center.
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  And I had some of the highest levels of trichothecenes, which is a form of mycotoxins, that he'd ever seen.
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  He said, get out now.
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  And then by this time, my children now are in their teens and all this stuff is starting to express itself.
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  Yeah.
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  Interesting.
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  Did your husband ever get sorted out?
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  I know you went through the divorce, but did he?
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  yes and no.
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  And, yeah.
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  And then, and then we went into, you know, second husband with severe neurodegenerative disease, also from toxic mold and Lyme.
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  So, yeah, so it took eight years to figure out, okay, this is what was, this is what happened to me back then.
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  The first time around, I just fixed it by diet and nutrients, you know, kind of lifestyle.
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  The second exposures really took me out again for another year.
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  And that's really when I started learning.
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  And because of my husband having the neurodegenerative illnesses, he had Parkinson's and a lot of other things.
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  I started traveling around the country and really learning all the stuff, a lot of things that you're doing, a lot of the advanced therapies, IVs and ozone and vitamin C.
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  So I've learned about neurodegenerative diseases, then I'm learning about autism spectrum disorders and neuroinflammation and how all that's coming down.
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  I'm learning about biotoxin illness in myself and how that's impacting all of my hormones.
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  I go into early menopause at 46.
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  And yeah, so all of this stuff is happening.
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  And then I'm traveling with my then husband trying to learn to figure out what we can do for him and helping reverse his neurodegenerative changes.
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  And that's when I learned so much.
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  And we, you know, we learned so little in medical school, which is really a tragedy.
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  Yeah.
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  It is.
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  this, and so now I went, you know, I ended up restarting my practice.
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  I went from 5 ,000 square feet when I was at Baylor Hospital with my very big OB -GYN practice using Nurse Midwife, the first one in town to do that, to a closet in the back of
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  Abrams Royal Pharmacy, a compounding pharmacy, when I restarted myself.
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  And now I'm at 7 ,000 square feet and 10 practitioners.
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  And so we do a lot of advanced tertiary care.
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  And that's what I was seeing in these last four years, the hormonal disruptions, the neurological issues, the cardiovascular issues, the autoimmune issues, my goodness.
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  And then of course the severe mental health and we can go in any direction from there.
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  Yeah, so I'm curious, you know, as the audience is listening to this, I'm sure you're wondering, you know, how do you figure out that you're being exposed to mold?
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  And I think maybe you could walk people through that.
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  One is actually get yourself tested, but the other is just kind of test your environment, right?
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  Do you want to talk a little bit about both?
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  yeah, there's and I would highly, highly, highly recommend that people go to isei .org, isei .org, International Society for Environmentally Acquired Illness, because there's a
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  lot of information there both on individual testing, you know, testing ourselves as well as testing our homes.
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  But for ourselves, yes, we can do urine mycotoxin tests.
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  There's a very inexpensive online test called visual contrast sensitivity or VCS test.
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  It's a screening test.
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  It's not a test, but there's urine mycotoxin tests and then there's this VCS test, online visual contrast sensitivity.
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  There's also some blood markers that you can get looking at IgG and IgE antibodies against mold.
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  So those are some of the ways that we can test it in our cells.
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  A high suspicion and getting a really good history.
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  How many houses have you lived in or apartments?
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  When did you start feeling sick?
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  When did you start having recurrent sinus infections?
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  I was in college dorm.
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  Yeah, and I was drinking like a fish, but the dorms are all moldy.
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  And I mean, I can't tell you how many moldy dorms there are out there in schools and churches.
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  So having a high suspicion is one.
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  If you have a lot of people in a family too, you can have a lot of disparate symptoms.
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  But often the dads get off without it because they don't spend as much time at home.
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  And because men, of course, you know this, the testosterone to some extent helps block some of the autoimmune challenges that we see with a lot of mold toxicity exposure.
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  And that's real interesting because that background of working with toxic molds, and so that's really what I've done for 23 years, not just mold, but environmental toxins in
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  general.
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  But I learned how do biotoxins disrupt
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  our immune system and our hormonal systems and our nervous systems and our cardiovascular systems.
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  So that when, yeah, yeah, sure, sure.
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  Yeah, so there are different mechanisms and I can talk specifically too about the mechanisms of COVID disruption, but let me just talk in big terms about what is a biotoxin
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  and how does it disrupt our body function.
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  So a biotoxin is a very tiny fat soluble molecule.
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  that gets into the middle of the cell membranes on the cell.
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  Remember, we're made out of trillions of cell and each cell has a membrane like a skin around it.
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  And in that skin, our receptors, no different than our eyes and ears and mouth and nose, there's receptors in the cell membrane in that skin of the cell that's telling it what to
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  do.
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  And hey, there's a receptor for estrogen or neurotransmitters.
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  There's also a way to get things out of the cell like energy that's being made in the mitochondria.
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  and toxins, we have to release the toxins out of the cell.
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  So you have to have a healthy cell membrane and you have to have healthy mitochondria because mitochondria have that same double layer cell membrane that's fatty in the middle
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  and that is where those biotoxins get stuck.
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  So we're talking about mold mycotoxins, we're talking about plastics and petrochemical products, we're talking about heavy metals, we're talking about viruses.
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  and things like spike protein as well.
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  So any one of those things can, and there's, we're all exposed to them.
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  It's one of the reasons that Americans got so sick compared to other places in the world.
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  So what happens is we're disrupting the function of that cell membrane and that mitochondrial membrane with these tiny, tiny biotoxins.
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  And when we disrupt the mitochondria, that's where your energy is coming from.
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  So you disrupt the mitochondria and then when you disrupt mitochondria, that also turns on an autoimmune response.
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  So again, we have many different mechanisms.
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  Mycotoxins themselves can act like, can mimic hormones.
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  So there's one that's called xerolurone that acts a lot like, you know, looks like estrogens.
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  There's one that's called DLN or DON that is very toxic that just, you know, disrupts testosterone function.
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  And so...
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  So these microtoxins can actually mimic and biotoxins in a lot of the plastics and petrochemicals, they mimic.
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  So that's one way they disrupt thing.
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  They disrupt mitochondrial function and that creates autoimmunity or immune system dysfunction.
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  We'll just call it immune system dysfunction.
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  They disrupt gastrointestinal health.
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  They're super toxic.
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  So they're disrupting what's going on in your gut.
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  They're going after those gastrointestinal cells.
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  Mm -hmm.
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  disrupting those.
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  And of course we know there's the gut -brain axis.
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  So the gut is completely connected to the brain via the vagus nerve.
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  And so inflammation going on down here in your gut and you've disrupted your biome, you've killed off things, that signal is gonna travel up your vagus nerve that connects
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  everything, your brain to your heart, to your lungs, to your gut.
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  And it feeds into the part of the brain that's called the limbic system.
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  And that's our ongoing fight or flight response all the time.
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  And then if you're living in mold in particular or poor quality air environments, what are you doing all day?
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  You're breathing in.
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  So one of the big issues here is that we're all living in a toxic world, quite honestly.
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  And then genetically, some of us are more sensitive than others in terms of our ability to detox, if you will.
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  And it's interesting, when we detox people here, I don't know if you've noticed this as well, but it's people that actually are good detoxers that will have a Herxheimer
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  reaction.
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  You detox them.
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  Mm -hmm.
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  with slow detoxers are less prone to that, which I find kind of fascinating.
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  What we're talking about here is your ability to actually move through phase one, phase two, and phase three detox to kind of get things through your system and realizing that
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  you can be strong in phase one, but backed up at stage two.
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  So you end up with these intermediates that can actually be more toxic than the toxins that you started out with until you get them all the way through.
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  So.
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  Being able to know your genetics here, I think is key because those genes can actually be modulated based on certain supplements that you might take or things you do or don't do.
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  And so that's really key.
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  And then I think the other key thing that you're pointing out is it's really important to upfront, start testing your environments rather than waiting for symptoms to appear.
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  If you're buying a new house, test it, you know, why would you buy a new house and not test it?
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  Or why would you move into a new office and not test it?
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  I mean, if you're susceptible to this, why would you go, why would you do anything where you're going to spend any period of time and not test it, right?
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  So think about it that way.
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  You have to be really proactive on this kind of thing.
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  So, yep.
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  such a huge piece.
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  And, you know, because that the other mechanism that we're dealing with here is that you're actually breathing in a lot of toxic substances.
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  You're, you know, working with toxic mold, but let's just, we can also talk about spike protein.
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  So what is that doing?
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  It's creating a lot of inflammation in our sinuses and all that.
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  And our olfactory nerve, our sniffing, our smelling nerve, the shortest nerve in our body goes right from the back of our sinuses right back into the
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  hypothalamus, the master regulatory center of the brain is bypassing the pituitary gland on the way.
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  And so if that nerve is chronically inflamed, chronically being stimulated all the time, it's sending signals of distress to your HPA axis, to your hypothalamus part of the HPA
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  axis.
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  And then you've got the vagus nerve sending signals of distress coming up to the brain.
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  And here's your poor hypothalamus, which is trying to regulate everything going, what's going on?
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  And no wonder we see the massive amounts of hormonal disruption that we do.
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  You know, it's interesting in our practice, we have a test that we use, it's called a neuro check.
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  It's related to something called brain tap.
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  And with that, within four or five minutes, we can get a really complete look at somebody's whole neuro hormonal axis.
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  We can see the strength of the vagus nerve.
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  We can see how it's their energy levels are like, what their autonomic nervous system balance is like, whether they're stressed.
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  And then we can see if they're.
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  chronically stressed and like really depleted with regards to the whole HPA axis on top of that.
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  It's really fascinating to see because when you see that, then it's kind of like, it doesn't tell you why they're that way, but it tells you that they are that way.
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  And then you're left saying, okay, well, how do we unravel this knot?
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  But it's super helpful to be able to see that.
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  And people can actually...
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  Make significant progress and you can retest them and it'll demonstrate significant progress.
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  So it's it's kind of a nice tool that way
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  Well, again, I think that mold toxicity is very similar to so many of the things that we experienced from the spike protein, both with COVID and the mRNA injections that were
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  utilized to theoretically prevent the spread.
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  None of that worked.
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  All of the same mechanisms.
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  So disruption and inflammation of the HPA axis.
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  If you have mold toxicity, then you get chronic sinus infections and inflammation.
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  You have suppression of the immune system.
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  part of the innate and over activation of the adaptive immune system.
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  The innate is what goes after viruses and bacteria and abnormal cells and the adaptive is what goes after that creates your cytokines in your antibodies.
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  So you get again that you know immune system disruption, HPA access all screwed up, liver and gut detox mechanisms all messed up and you know no wonder the and then the
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  mitochondria are like
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  We're so tired, we can't produce any energy.
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  And the good news is, you know, I mean, and of course you're a master at this is understanding the body has really just amazing, amazing healing capacity.
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  And when we tap into our inner healer, what is it that we need?
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  Because it's not, as we well know, it's not just the external environmental issues, it's also our mind and our mindset and our resilience.
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  And, you know, do we have a...
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  Do we feel connected to something larger than ourselves?
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  Do we have resources that can really help build our resilience and help us think?
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  And that is a huge piece.
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  You mentioned brain tap.
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  So we use brain tap a lot because by the time people get to us, a lot of times they've already seen 15 or 20 specialists.
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  They are so hyped up and their limbic system, the part of their brain, the reptile brain that's kind of running everything unconsciously.
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  That's turn on full blast.
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  They're in fight or flight all the time.
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  Can't sleep, anxious, nervous, then severely depressed and fatigue.
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  So unless we're fixing, you know, dealing with those, it's hard to fix the rest of the body.
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  And that's one of the places we start.
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  Mindset and gut and sleep.
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  Okay.
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  So as you deconstruct the problem, you start with mindset and gut and, that's, yeah, that makes sense.
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  I think, you know, we do a similar thing.
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  I think one of the things that we would jump to also, and you probably do this too, is, looking at genetics on how people detox and then look at burdens of viruses and mycotoxins
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  and whatever we can figure out that they may have been exposed to.
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  are you able to measure, spike protein levels for people or things like that?
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  I think this is coming down the pike for us to figure out just, you know, because unfortunately, we know that spike protein has been persistent, you know, for up to two
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  years in some of the studies that have been done, that's all using very specialized testing.
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  And yeah, so, and we know that it creates, you know, a lot of damage.
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  And unfortunately, there's a lot of different sequences in the spike protein itself that impact.
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  but no different than biotoxins do.
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  And then we use fear and guilt and shame to keep everybody scared, keep their limbic system in dysfunction, yeah.
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  So when they came out with the vaccines, they were talking about the fact that the spike protein would be produced for a period of time and then production would cease and then
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  there wouldn't be long -term consequences.
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  But in actual fact, it hasn't turned out that way exactly, right?
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  I mean, there are a lot of people that are sensitive to it and people that still will have very high titers to spike protein, which would suggest that spike protein is persistent
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  for long periods of time in certain people.
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  And then of course, with all that inflammation, you know, it's, it's kind of Katie bar the door.
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  It can be anything from neuropathy to, you know, leaky guts, brain fog, to cardiomyopathy to, you know, almost anything you could imagine could get inflamed, it gets inflamed.
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  So, right.
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  So yeah, it's a big deal.
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  So how do you, how do you, how do you unravel that knot?
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  You start with the gut and you start with mindset and things like that.
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  But how do you walk us through how you do that?
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  Well, you know, and I think, you know, kind of back to what you said just a minute ago, looking at the total toxic burden.
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  So we're trying to find out and getting really getting a very high quality history on somebody.
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  But again, what are all their different exposures?
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  What are their stress levels and what are their resiliency tools?
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  So we have to look at all that.
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  Now, we know, I think in terms of understanding kind of what to do with all the spike protein toxicity that we're seeing is understandable.
• 23:44
  What are the mechanisms of it?
• 23:46
  and how are they showing up?
• 23:48
  And there's six major things that are going on.
• 23:50
  A lot of people heard about ACE receptors.
• 23:53
  So ACE receptors are involved in blood pressure and all that.
• 23:55
  And that's how the spike protein is getting in the cell.
• 23:58
  And so again, we're seeing a lot of blood pressure disruption of that.
• 24:01
  I already mentioned mitochondria.
• 24:03
  So we know that the spike protein is incredibly toxic to the mitochondria in some folks.
• 24:07
  And again, so then that triggers a whole cascade of things.
• 24:13
  Yeah, where's the most mitochondria?
• 24:16
  You know, our most mitochondria are in our neurons, in our brain, in our heart, because the heart never stops beating, the mitochondria needs to keep going.
• 24:25
  Ovaries and testes require lots of mitochondria in order to produce, yeah, eggs and sperm, and sperm itself is like one giant mitochondria.
• 24:33
  And we are seeing such unbelievable disruption of sperm counts and sperm morphology.
• 24:40
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:43
  So you have those.
• 24:46
  a study that's correlated vaccination status with fertility?
• 24:52
  Have you seen that?
• 24:53
  Look for that.
• 24:53
  I mean, all that stuff is coming out.
• 24:55
  We've seen a 20 % drop in live birth rates in the past two years.
• 25:00
  Yeah, and we knew already that prior to COVID, we were having a 1 % per year drop in sperm counts over the last 30, 40 years.
• 25:11
  And then when COVID had and, you know, and the mRNA technology came out, then that's dropped to 2 % a year.
• 25:19
  So,
• 25:20
  what used to be a normal sperm count would be 50 % normal morphology.
• 25:23
  That means 50 % of the sperm look normal and healthy and they're wiggling around like they should.
• 25:27
  Now what's considered normal is a 4%.
• 25:31
  I mean, that's just mind blowing.
• 25:33
  So for people in the fertility, yeah, and 4%, 4%.
• 25:40
  So the normalization of abnormal that's happening, and again, you probably don't talk about kids much on this podcast, but,
• 25:49
  For example, children's normal developmental milestones.
• 25:53
  Infants have gone from 12 months is normal for walking to 18 months now is normal for walking.
• 26:00
  Our children are so delayed after the past four years that that is one of the things that we're seeing.
• 26:06
  And I mean, horrendous outcomes for children.
• 26:08
  They should have never received this mRNA technology ever.
• 26:11
  And I have folks talking about that on my summit that's coming up.
• 26:18
  where we talk about each individual area and then what to do.
• 26:21
  Mm -hmm.
• 26:22
  No, that's it's really fascinating.
• 26:24
  Yeah, that's really fascinating stuff.
• 26:27
  Yeah, you know, Jeffrey, I mean, you're a cardiologist.
• 26:30
  And again, Dr.
• 26:31
  Peter McCullough has been a cardiologist here in Dallas, who's been one of the leading voices.
• 26:36
  I mean, what a warrior warning about all the cardiomyopathies, the myocarditis, the pericarditis that's gone on in all these young athletes dropping dead on playing fields.
• 26:49
  It should be headlines and it's not, you know.
• 26:53
  So that's cardiovascular inflammation.
• 26:55
  That's one of the other mechanisms that we're seeing.
• 26:57
  So we see, again, ACE protein, mitochondrial disruption, vascular endothelitis.
• 27:04
  So inflammation inside the blood vessels is a big thing.
• 27:07
  Disruption of the gut flora, dysregulation of the immune system, and you mentioned persistent infections.
• 27:12
  So one of the things that we are seeing is, like, for example, recurrent Epstein -Barr virus.
• 27:17
  And that is one of the reasons that we are looking at, just like you do,
• 27:20
  we're looking for, what are some of the underlying infections that might be here already?
• 27:23
  CMV, Epstein -Barr, herpes, et cetera.
• 27:27
  And is it recurring?
• 27:28
  And do we have ongoing recurrence of the COVID virus itself?
• 27:37
  That's being studied.
• 27:41
  I'll just put it that way.
• 27:42
  But we certainly know that, you mentioned before that we were told that...
• 27:47
  that this wasn't supposed to go anywhere, it's just supposed to stay in our arm, but that's not the case.
• 27:51
  I mean, it was put inside a lipid, that means fat, nanoparticle to carry it around.
• 27:57
  And that fatty particle is what allows it to enter the brain, to enter the ovaries, to enter the testicles, to enter the kidneys, to enter the liver, the gut.
• 28:06
  So, you know, there are things about, you know, obviously avoiding the toxins, then there's optimizing the detox pathways, which can be done with different supplements and
• 28:17
  things like that.
• 28:20
  Then there's ways to kind of reboot the mitochondria, which we work with, right, using ozone, using certain supplements, things like that.
• 28:28
  And then there are filters that can be used to pull these things out of the body, to pull...
• 28:34
  Nervous is out, mold out, lime out.
• 28:37
  There are filters that can do that, that we're using that can be very, very helpful.
• 28:44
  But then you're left, let's say you do all that, then you're still left with what I call kind of a rejuvenation protocol, right?
• 28:51
  To where you need to get the bad stuff out, stop the influx of new bad stuff, but then you need to rebuild the system.
• 28:58
  And so that moves into kind of some of the regenerative technologies that we use.
• 29:03
  That kind of parallel with some of the things that you're doing is.
• 29:07
  And so we use a lot of for rebuilding nervous systems.
• 29:10
  I'm using a lot of phosphatidylcholine, IV phosphatidylcholine.
• 29:14
  And of course, we help to support mitochondria, not just through ozone.
• 29:18
  Ozone has, of course, as you know, multifactorial.
• 29:21
  It helps to kill off things.
• 29:22
  It helps to boost mitochondria.
• 29:24
  It helps to modulate our immune system.
• 29:27
  But it also has a lot of great anti -aging longevity properties.
• 29:29
  And people just do it just for that.
• 29:31
  So we can continue.
• 29:33
  continue that, we can use things like methylene blue, NAD, niacinamide, even nicotine patches for people who are having long COVID.
• 29:41
  And then there's peptides.
• 29:42
  Of course, you're an expert in a lot of the peptides that are being used.
• 29:45
  And then, you know, plasmapheresis.
• 29:47
  And that's a whole nother level of, you know,
• 29:50
  do that.
• 29:51
  We do that routinely for people because it is so powerful.
• 29:54
  It's such a good way to kind of start to remove the bad stuff.
• 29:58
  You do that in combination with filtration and all of a sudden you can take people from A to Z, not A to Z, but A to S pretty quickly.
• 30:07
  And then there's some repair to go on in the back end, but it's, yeah, all that's very exciting.
• 30:12
  We've gotten used, we've started using these non -cellular
• 30:18
  rejuvenation factors that come from placental tissue and an umbilical cord don't have any embryonic stem cells in them.
• 30:25
  So you don't have to worry about cancer formation, but they have incredible immune modulation capabilities, both to upregulate it in the face of cancer or to modulate it in
• 30:34
  the case of autoimmunity or, you know, some of the things we're talking about here.
• 30:38
  So that's another piece that we're starting to layer into this, but all very interesting stuff.
• 30:45
  that's just what's so exciting.
• 30:47
  I mean, the course, this whole COVID thing was a debacle.
• 30:53
  Our trusted authorities, our trusted media, our trusted medical groups, you know, basically none of it could be trusted.
• 31:01
  I mean, all this is coming out now.
• 31:04
  And that, you know, the spike mRNA injections were not what they were, you know, we thought it to be.
• 31:11
  But the good news of what's coming out of this is that we have
• 31:14
  you know, such brilliant minds around the country like yours, like, you know, who are on the leading edge of what is real medicine about, you know?
• 31:20
  And, you know, real medicine is not about just taking the next pill to treat a symptom.
• 31:25
  Like you said, we create the foundation.
• 31:27
  You have to, you know, clean food, clean air, clean water, and a clear mind.
• 31:31
  Those are the foundations that I start with, and then we trend and build on that.
• 31:35
  Yeah, that's quite beautiful.
• 31:37
  That's a really good approach.
• 31:39
  Yeah, it is interesting, too.
• 31:41
  You know, I found this disconcerting that there were payments going into hospitals for each person on the staff that got vaccinated.
• 31:53
  You know, when the people were processing about getting vaccinated and then losing their jobs over it, right, because they refused to be vaccinated.
• 32:02
  It turned out that the hospitals were being paid.
• 32:05
  I forget how many dollars it was, but for each employee they vaccinated, they got paid something, which I found incredibly kind of underhanded.
• 32:14
  There's so many underhanded elements to this whole.
• 32:17
  Right.
• 32:18
  only did they get paid for that, they got paid for every person who had a COVID diagnosis.
• 32:22
  They got paid an extra $20 ,000 for every person who got intubated.
• 32:26
  They got paid extra for anybody who was put on remdesivir.
• 32:30
  And, you know, this is one of the things that Peter McCullough has uncovered is understanding that COVID was only deadly if you went to the hospital.
• 32:37
  That's where the vast majority of people died from COVID was the hospital protocols themselves.
• 32:42
  And that's, you know, that's a whole nother ball of wax.
• 32:44
  But, you know, our, yeah.
• 32:47
  systematic, economically incentivized, really malpractice is quite a...
• 32:54
  Right, it's what it boils down to.
• 32:57
  Yeah.
• 32:58
  and then you had people like Dr.
• 33:00
  Pierre Corrie and Dr.
• 33:01
  Paul Merrick who are the elite, elite of ICU and emergency room care and who've done hundreds of studies who started using IV ozone and IV vitamin C and these advanced
• 33:15
  practices and they created the frontline critical care team, but they were shut down.
• 33:20
  Yeah, yeah.
• 33:21
  of us who actually had some experience in this and knew what to do, we were silenced, censored, deplatformed.
• 33:28
  And so that's a whole nother ball of wax of questions asked.
• 33:32
  But, you know, ivermectin, yeah.
• 33:35
  I mean, yeah, I was writing ivermectin prescriptions right and left.
• 33:38
  And if you understand anything about the immune system, you understand why ivermectin works.
• 33:43
  It's not an antiviral.
• 33:44
  It keeps the immune system going crazy.
• 33:46
  So.
• 33:47
  exactly.
• 33:48
  Really, really fascinating stuff.
• 33:51
  Well, it's fascinating to me that you, through your personal journey with mold, you kind of found yourself uniquely in a great position to be able to work with people that are
• 34:03
  suffering with COVID, right?
• 34:05
  I mean, you've developed all the systems and the ability to deconstruct the problems and reconstruct the solutions that kind of enabled that.
• 34:13
  So it kind of put you in a great spot.
• 34:16
  That's awesome.
• 34:17
  and with mental health too, I would say that because that's been also my experience.
• 34:24
  So my now 32 year old son was diagnosed with schizophrenia when he was 19.
• 34:31
  And it's been a horrendous journey, both for him and his dad and I.
• 34:36
  But again, I took a deep dive and I learned.
• 34:39
  And then unfortunately, my youngest when she got the mRNA injections,
• 34:44
  she herself got such severe neuroinflammation and was in such severe pain she could not sleep for three months.
• 34:51
  And that itself causes psychosis.
• 34:53
  And so she ended up in the hospital.
• 34:54
  And you can imagine the level of PTSD that that triggers for me.
• 34:59
  So we've seen massive amounts of neuroinflammation.
• 35:03
  Again, for some people it's manifesting as neurodegenerative issues.
• 35:06
  For other folks it's manifesting as again, mental health, behavioral health, severe anxiety, OCD, severe depression, et cetera.
• 35:12
  And...
• 35:13
  But we have the tools.
• 35:15
  We understand that depression's not a deficiency of an anti -depression.
• 35:19
  Psychosis is not a deficiency of an anti -psychotic, although they can help.
• 35:23
  How do we deal with the underlying issues?
• 35:25
  And that's the good news.
• 35:26
  So we need a whole systems approach to do this.
• 35:28
  That's what you do, that's what I do.
• 35:30
  So.
• 35:30
  No, it's good.
• 35:32
  You know, I think the joy in what both of us do is that we see somebody with a set of symptoms and we're not focused on the symptoms.
• 35:41
  We're really trying to actually deconstruct the problem all the way down as far as we can go.
• 35:45
  And we're learning stuff every day, quite honestly, and I'm sure you are too, but deconstructing problems more thoroughly, constantly to help people really get durable
• 35:56
  solutions is what it boils down to.
• 35:58
  So, yeah, very cool.
• 35:59
  And then, and understanding, again, you know, I mean, I've heard you say this on several of your podcasts, you know, we've been trained in silos and, and we don't talk to one
• 36:07
  another.
• 36:08
  And the approaches that you and I are taking, that's whatever you want to call it, regenerative medicine, integrated medicine, functional medicine is understanding
• 36:15
  everything is connected.
• 36:16
  You know, we have, you know, tons of different hormones and estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, cortisol, insulin, they're all connected and thyroid.
• 36:22
  And then they're connected to what's going on in your gut, to what's going on in your liver, to what's going on in your mind.
• 36:26
  So.
• 36:27
  Yeah, so having a whole systems approach can really make the big difference.
• 36:33
  And then I'm sure that you also find this too.
• 36:35
  The order in which things are approached is also critically important because like you can't start in with, if somebody's got Lyme or a severe infection, you can't start in with
• 36:43
  a kill protocol if they can't detox, you know.
• 36:47
  Yeah, no, that's right.
• 36:48
  You got to do it in the right sequence.
• 36:49
  I think you got to stop the insult and you got to help them detox from the current insult and you got to help them kind of rebuild from there.
• 36:56
  Right.
• 36:56
  So, yeah, all very interesting.
• 36:59
  Yeah, it's been a journey for sure.
• 37:00
  But it's what's nice is that when people do come in with their symptoms that we find ourselves in a position to help them.
• 37:08
  And I think that's that's encouraging because a lot of people, they go to their regular physicians and they don't find help.
• 37:13
  But, you know, they come to you.
• 37:15
  They find good help.
• 37:16
  people that we see and you see more of them than we do quite honestly for sure but but we we kind of approach it from the same from the same so it's very cool yeah good so when you
• 37:27
  think let's go ahead i was just gonna say
• 37:30
  that, you know, with, I just want to just touch on trauma too, as a big part of this whole discussion.
• 37:39
  Because again, you and I understand that trauma actually becomes embodied energetically, physiologically, the vagus nerve, and, you know, impacting multiple systems in the body.
• 37:52
  And so whether that is a,
• 37:55
  an incident of trauma that you had, you know, something severe versus chronic complex daily stressors that you're never getting yourself out of.
• 38:04
  It doesn't matter.
• 38:06
  All of that is impacting, again, our physiology, our metabolism, our detox pathways, our autoimmunity.
• 38:12
  I mean, Dr.
• 38:14
  Sarah, Charlotte Godfrey has gotten a great new book on autoimmune and talking about trauma.
• 38:18
  And she's also interviewing her about this.
• 38:22
  So.
• 38:22
  We have to understand that what we experienced in the last four years was really global trauma.
• 38:29
  Everybody, it doesn't matter which side of the, you know, Vax, anti -vax, whatever.
• 38:36
  But this purposeful feeding us fear, guilt, shame, keeping our limbic systems in chronic limbic system dysfunction and anxiety, impacting our HPA axis, that's part of this
• 38:49
  disruption that we had going on.
• 38:51
  So I think it's so, so important for us to start with compassion.
• 38:56
  Compassion for ourselves, wherever we are in all of this, compassion as a healthcare provider, compassion as a mother, compassion as a grandmother, for myself, for my own
• 39:04
  journey, my own experience, and then compassion for the other, particularly the other who is not in agreement with my standpoint.
• 39:14
  And because more we divide and conquer.
• 39:18
  Yeah.
• 39:19
  stuff keeps going on without getting addressed.
• 39:23
  Well, this concept that you talk about, embodiment, is really, really strong.
• 39:28
  It's such a big player in this whole place.
• 39:32
  My partner Mukti is basically finishing up a master's.
• 39:38
  She's doing an internship in psychology right now, and she'll go on to do a PhD.
• 39:44
  But it's so interesting because she's such an embodied practitioner.
• 39:48
  Right.
• 39:49
  She comes from a yoga background and a Pilates background, and she's taught and she spent five years in an ashram and, you know, very, very spiritual person.
• 39:56
  And when she works with people, she works with them from an embodied place and people come in with heavy, heavy trauma.
• 40:04
  It could be physical abuse, sexual abuse, verbal abuse.
• 40:08
  It could be protracted disease.
• 40:10
  It could be serial episodes of depression where the people are near suicidal.
• 40:15
  All these things.
• 40:17
  And.
• 40:17
  These traumas live in the body, right?
• 40:20
  The body, there's a book out there, the body never forgets, right?
• 40:23
  And so your body keeps the score, right?
• 40:26
  Yeah, that book too.
• 40:28
  So the point is that we carry all this in us if we, unless we understand the need to actually go in and understand that and heal it and then start to transcend it.
• 40:39
  So you can actually live much lighter where you're free of all of that stuff.
• 40:43
  And that...
• 40:44
  That quite honestly is part of the hero's journey.
• 40:46
  I think that we're all on to actually reclaim our birthright to live in this unencumbered space where we're not carrying all this trauma and we can embody, you know, the full
• 40:56
  spirit of who we are as opposed to carrying all the trauma around.
• 40:58
  So that's a massive part of this.
• 41:00
  And I find that when people embrace that element of the journey, not just the biochemistry and the medical elements, they can make massive progress.
• 41:10
  It's really, really cool to see.
• 41:12
  So.
• 41:13
  Well, you know, and that's so interesting because again, you know, when I was in my training as an OB -GYN, there was, we never discussed any of that.
• 41:23
  And I mean, the, you know, the thing I learned how to do was, you know, somebody has been raped, you know, how do you do appropriate rape exam, but not how to handle it, how to
• 41:31
  manage it.
• 41:31
  And then when I just started asking the question, have you ever had any physical or sexual abuse, you know, to my patients, it was one out of every three to four women.
• 41:41
  Right.
• 41:41
  like, my God, I'm blown away.
• 41:43
  And then, you know, again, I've done a lot of research now.
• 41:44
  It's one out of every five, five to six men.
• 41:47
  And so, yeah, it becomes embodied.
• 41:49
  And then there's also generational trauma and epigenetics.
• 41:53
  And, you know, so we can carry generational trauma that impacts, you know, something that happened to our parents or grandparents can impact epigenetically, how do our genes
• 42:03
  express themselves?
• 42:04
  And then that, you know, that goes on.
• 42:06
  And that's certainly, again, that's another piece for me in this whole big picture.
• 42:11
  100%.
• 42:12
  I had to do that.
• 42:14
  I think I told you this the first time I met you, but my father was a Polish Catholic, okay, not Jewish, Catholic, working for the underground resistance movement against the
• 42:23
  Nazis.
• 42:24
  And he was arrested by the Gestapo and he went to Auschwitz and then to Mauthausen, you know, as a political prisoner.
• 42:32
  And he survived, fortunately.
• 42:35
  But because of his journey and his experience, I learned a whole lot about
• 42:40
  you know, what does, what does totalitarianism look like?
• 42:44
  And, and my hair started standing on end at the beginning of this.
• 42:49
  media is in lockstep, medicine is in lockstep, stop the gatherings, stop the borders, you know, close the borders, close the churches, close the schools.
• 42:57
  Where's your papers?
• 42:58
  Silence, silence the dissidents.
• 43:01
  Where's your papers?
• 43:01
  Yeah.
• 43:02
  So that, that, that was the, my epigenetic gnosis.
• 43:06
  Now also from an epigenetic standpoint, I knew that some of my detox mechanisms were shut down and all of that.
• 43:14
  So I think these are all things and again, the work that you do is so beautiful.
• 43:17
  If we address this and understanding we're spiritual beings in a human body and yeah, and we can energetically move all this.
• 43:27
  And that's what all the new medicine about it really is energy medicine, light, oxygen, air, water, sound, vibrations.
• 43:35
  You said, you know, when you started this conversation, you talked about moving into your, I'd made it house, I think was how you described it, right?
• 43:46
  So I think a better way to frame I made it is when you actually approach it, looking at these spiritual questions and this generational trauma and actually figuring out how to
• 43:57
  solve those problems again, to understand them, heal them, and then transcend them.
• 44:02
  You actually, the really making it is actually stepping into this new, lighter, freeter, energetic space that you now live in.
• 44:10
  It doesn't matter.
• 44:11
  The houses, you're completely irrelevant.
• 44:13
  It's completely irrelevant.
• 44:15
  The car is completely irrelevant because it's much more about this space that you occupy.
• 44:21
  And I think if people listening to this will realize that in your health journey and in your longevity journey and your health optimization,
• 44:29
  Journey, if you understand that that's really the goal is to inhabit that lighter space where you actually have stepped into your full expression of who you are unencumbered by
• 44:38
  these other things.
• 44:39
  And that's your goal.
• 44:40
  If you start asking the question, how do I do that?
• 44:42
  How do I get to that?
• 44:43
  This will fuel so much innovation for you and so much health as a by -product.
• 44:48
  And then longevity becomes a by -product of the health.
• 44:51
  So, you know, we think about longevity, but really longevity is a by -product.
• 44:55
  It's a by -product of being young and healthy.
• 44:57
  You know, that's what it is.
• 44:59
  But when we're young, we're still encumbered.
• 45:01
  And so the opportunity, the beauty of going chronologically along is that we have more opportunity to actually become unencumbered.
• 45:07
  Now you can be young and unencumbered.
• 45:09
  This is like the 300 year old mind and the 30 year old body, right?
• 45:13
  So anyway, if you're listening to this and you embrace that as your new ideal, not can I buy another vacation house or a boat or take a trip to Europe, but what space can I
• 45:23
  energetically occupy?
• 45:24
  my gosh, it will transform your life.
• 45:27
  You know, absolutely.
• 45:29
  And that's really also about finding meaning and purpose.
• 45:32
  So for those, you know, for those of us who've been, who've had very challenging health journeys as, as, you know, have you and I, you know, listen to your podcast about, you
• 45:40
  know, your severe depression and all that.
• 45:42
  And that's kind of where I was.
• 45:43
  And, but how do we transform that again?
• 45:46
  How do, how did I transform?
• 45:48
  You know, I transform my suffering over my children and my, you know, former husband and all of that in my own into a big clinic here.
• 45:56
  And yeah, so finding meaning and purpose.
• 45:59
  And that is a huge piece.
• 46:02
  And that, of course, is the work of Dr.
• 46:03
  Victor Frankel, who wrote Man's Search for Meaning, which I think is a critical book.
• 46:07
  I have Alex Patakos, who's now his protege, speaking to that.
• 46:12
  But absolutely, to find meaning and purpose and have joy and fun and play and lots of oxytocin too.
• 46:18
  I mean, right?
• 46:19
  Yeah, we can talk oxytocin too.
• 46:20
  The oxytocin is so critical for longevity.
• 46:24
  and for recovering from mold and for recovering from spike protein toxicity and for, you know, for kids with autism, we can use oxytocin.
• 46:31
  It's amazing.
• 46:32
  It is.
• 46:33
  No, they're oxytocin depleted.
• 46:34
  Their vitamin D receptors are shut down.
• 46:37
  There's many things that go on.
• 46:38
  Their guts are or don't have the right microbiome or the best microbiome, let's say.
• 46:43
  There are many, many different avenues to help people that are challenged in whatever in whatever way, you know.
• 46:50
  So but, yeah, really, really fun chatting with you about all this.
• 46:55
  So it makes me optimistic at the end of the day.
• 46:57
  You know, people listen to this and say, my gosh, I'm so pessimistic.
• 47:01
  surely rates are going down.
• 47:02
  We're gonna go from eight billion to six billion, you know, world's gonna collapse.
• 47:05
  I don't know if you saw that MIT article that came out, research that came out the other day that said that in 2040, we're gonna go through a complete collapse of the planet,
• 47:14
  right?
• 47:15
  And so, you know, we'll only be left with however many people alive and all this kind of thing.
• 47:20
  But I kind of think that actually if you go into this with a very optimistic mindset and...
• 47:27
  And you basically realize that you can't just keep doing what you've been doing and expecting it to all work out.
• 47:35
  You really have to keep innovating at a very rapid rate to adapt to what's coming.
• 47:41
  I think it becomes a very exciting future.
• 47:44
  So.
• 47:44
  you know, again, it's the resiliency of the human spirit.
• 47:48
  And yeah, and, you know, unfortunately, again, because, you know, for those people who, who did, you know, for example, receive the spike protein in the mRNA technology form, and
• 47:59
  as the vaccine, you might, you may just want to get your checked on certain things.
• 48:06
  And the impetus then is for you to have, you know, clean food, clean air, clean water.
• 48:10
  and really work on your mindset because those are the things that are going to help your longevity because otherwise, like you said, same old story, then we are going to see that
• 48:20
  population drop.
• 48:21
  there are some things if you have spike protein that you can do to get rid of them, you know, natto, peptase, bromelain, things like that can help.
• 48:30
  All these can be super helpful.
• 48:34
  heat, heat.
• 48:35
  I mean, one of the things that I mean, really getting in the saunas and getting temperatures up to 131 can help to denature the spike protein.
• 48:42
  So again, it's the same stuff I use with a lot of mold toxicity, just, you know, kind of sweating, getting stuff out of you.
• 48:48
  Yeah.
• 48:48
  And yeah.
• 48:50
  Good stuff.
• 48:51
  Well, thank you so much, Mark.
• 48:52
  I really appreciate you being on the podcast.
• 48:55
  It's interesting.
• 48:56
  We haven't revisited, I suppose, COVID in a while, so it's kind of fun to chat about it.
• 49:02
  you know, people would like it to be behind us, but unless you understand that it's ongoing and then we have to confront how did this happen and what's going on.
• 49:15
  And that's a lot of what I do on my upcoming summit.
• 49:18
  I think that it's called Hormonal Havoc, the COVID fallout and how to fix it.
• 49:21
  And I think you'll have the link in your show notes starting next, yeah, starting on the 17th.
• 49:26
  I believe you're on day seven because I put all the wisdom.
• 49:29
  I wanted to put the wisdom and the energy on the last day of people who've really been at the forefront of, again, how do we work on the spirituality component, the energy
• 49:39
  component, the mindset component, because that's really what it takes to turn us around.
• 49:43
  Beautiful.
• 49:44
  Well, I'll be happy to contribute.
• 49:46
  So I love that.
• 49:47
  All right.
• 49:48
  Great.
• 49:48
  Thank you.
• 49:49
  You bet.