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DEI: Destroy Every (Black) institution. What say the elders. Guest: Cora Masters Barry · TMI

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  Speaker 1: I'm Tamika D. Mallory and it's.
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  Speaker 2: Your boy my son It generally we are your host
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  Speaker 3: New name, New Energy, what's up?
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  Speaker 1: My song learning? How you doing today?
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  Speaker 2: I am blessed a hoghly favored Tamika D.
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  Speaker 1: How you feel I'm doing good?
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  Speaker 3: Some are still in progress, get into August. Other kids
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  Speaker 3: going back to school around the country, but the northern States,
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  Speaker 3: particularly in New York, we don't start until September. So
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  Speaker 3: this is kind of a midway point for us for summer,
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  Speaker 3: thank god, because the traffic in the city is much
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  Speaker 3: less during the time while the school buses and the
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  Speaker 3: teachers and the families picking up and taking their kids
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  Speaker 3: to school are at home. So that's good. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: rushing it, and you know, it goes fast. That's all
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  Speaker 3: I can say is that summer goes fast. I feel
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  Speaker 3: like as soon as we go to mark this vineyard,
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  Speaker 3: it's the end of the summer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, some of those fast. I think it's only pretty
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  Speaker 2: much like one month, like July is really the whole summer,
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  Speaker 2: because by August everybody is worried about okay, we got
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  Speaker 2: to get ready for school, this and that. So the
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  Speaker 2: whole month of July and probably that last week of
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  Speaker 2: June is really summer, Like summer really kind of ends.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it ends August. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really say that it ends. I'm just saying
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  Speaker 2: that that's when it winds down.
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  Speaker 3: To me, it's around the fifteenth. And it's definitely when
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  Speaker 3: it starts getting cool at night. As soon as at
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  Speaker 3: night it starts that you need a jacket and all
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  Speaker 3: of that. That's when you know summers over. Start getting
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  Speaker 3: the school clothes ready, it's time to go back. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, my granddaughter obviously she's in daycare. She's in
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  Speaker 3: school all year round, so they don't really have like summer.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not like so I'm not in that mode
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  Speaker 3: with her yet, but soon and very soon she'll be
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  Speaker 3: gone in the kindergarten where she'll be you know, at
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  Speaker 3: school during it from what is it September to June. Shoot,
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  Speaker 3: they go to school till damn near the.
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  Speaker 1: End of June. I don't feel like your kids go
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  Speaker 1: to school to the Indies, they do.
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  Speaker 2: They did get out like the last twenty third, twenty
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  Speaker 2: fourth or something in June.
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  Speaker 3: You see, I think I'm like one of the parents. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like the third parent.
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  Speaker 2: Nah, it's twenty third, twenty fourth, So it's it's the
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  Speaker 2: end of June. So I'm telling you July is pretty
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  Speaker 2: much the only one. But they go back in September,
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  Speaker 2: they go back to first That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: It's the halfway point. I guess first of August is
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  Speaker 3: the halfway point. So that's a good thing. We're hanging out,
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  Speaker 3: We're living up summertime in New York City.
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  Speaker 1: Still, people are enjoying it.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I would say that the night life in New York
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  Speaker 3: really picked up this summer to me, like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the not just night life, but just social social climate.
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  Speaker 3: It really did pick up. And the older people came
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  Speaker 3: back outside. And when I say old, I mean in
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  Speaker 3: our age people thirty five, forty forty five and up
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  Speaker 3: really came back outside, reclaimed some of the spots that
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  Speaker 3: used to have, you know, good events because all of
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  Speaker 3: that stuff has started closing down.
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  Speaker 1: It was actually pretty like damn.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like like Eric Adams ushered back in the
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  Speaker 3: night so the night life yeaside.
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  Speaker 1: He was getting his indy and his cigar.
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  Speaker 3: But but I mean, I do feel like that because
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  Speaker 3: people started opening spots again.
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  Speaker 1: Everything was closed. When people would come to.
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  Speaker 3: Visit, they would say, where are we going, and I'd
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  Speaker 3: be like, I have no idea the whole. But also
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  Speaker 3: we were out of the city so much during these
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  Speaker 3: last however many years in this state with Breonna Taylor's
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  Speaker 3: family all of you know, back and forth just wherever
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  Speaker 3: we had to be. That maybe we didn't have the
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  Speaker 3: like we didn't know exactly the spots, but now I know,
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  Speaker 3: like ten spots.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, I know a lot of the promoters,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, so shut out to sleep
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  Speaker 2: losing Isaiah, you know, fish people started really promoting parties again,
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  Speaker 2: and they was like yo, I would get an email
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  Speaker 2: or I'll get a text, so I'll get a DM
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  Speaker 2: like yo, despite is open, you know, especially in Halem Hall,
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  Speaker 2: them had a lot of stuff going on. This shit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was in Brooklyn too, because I somehow or another
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  Speaker 3: I got into Brooklyn algorithm. I think if from the
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  Speaker 3: Kwanza crawl, the you know, the they go to the
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  Speaker 3: bars and restaurants and whatnot. During I think they had
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  Speaker 3: started it, Yeah, Kwanza and then now they also have
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  Speaker 3: a summer date and I am in their little algorithm.
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  Speaker 4: In Brooklyn was popping too.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what was going on in Queens, but
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  Speaker 3: I will say and people probably be like, why do
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  Speaker 3: y'all care about that? Well, we do because people deserve
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  Speaker 3: to have some social experiences. And they became places that
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  Speaker 3: you would see people from all different walks of life.
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  Speaker 3: They'd be like elected officials, there would be people who
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  Speaker 3: are like us that are in activism, there'd be people
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  Speaker 3: who do parties. They'd be people who just you know,
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  Speaker 3: coming out the street, like I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 4: And the.
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  Speaker 3: Violence was limited in those areas, which is a problem
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  Speaker 3: because younger kids who would never go to the parties,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, they would never be in Sangria, right,
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  Speaker 3: They're not in the Bronx.
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  Speaker 1: They're never going to be in Sangria. They are somewhere though, and.
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  Speaker 3: Where they are is where the shootings are happening.
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  Speaker 1: That's where now.
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  Speaker 3: And we talking about twelve, thirteen, fourteen year old kids.
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  Speaker 3: So that's a lot of where you see the separation.
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  Speaker 3: Because when we were out and we were thirty something
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  Speaker 3: hanging out, I don't know if I was ever thirty
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  Speaker 3: something out with y'all. Y'all was always forty and I
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  Speaker 3: was thirty something. But when we were out and we
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  Speaker 3: were mixed in with the twenties and whatever, that's where
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  Speaker 3: it just didn't go right. But the twenties are not
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  Speaker 3: so bad right now. It's the thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year
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  Speaker 3: old kids.
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  Speaker 2: The twenties is stunt because a lot of the twenties
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  Speaker 2: is going to the clubs with us.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they're trying to get it.
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  Speaker 2: I see a couple of them inside this spouts that
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  Speaker 2: we in now, So they're trying to be with the
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  Speaker 2: grown folks. They're hanging out with the aunties and the unks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but the thirteens and the fourteens, they need a
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  Speaker 3: lot of attention. Because we had a big meeting with
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  Speaker 3: the city and the deputy mayor when she Deputy Mayor
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  Speaker 3: Rinita Francois, when she first did her meeting with the
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  Speaker 3: violence prevention groups, Angelo and I were there. For those
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  Speaker 3: who don't know, when we say Angelo, we're talking about
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  Speaker 3: one of the four co founders of our organization until Freedom,
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  Speaker 3: Attorney Angelo Pento, and we went to the meeting with
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  Speaker 3: all the heads of the Crisis Management System, which is
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  Speaker 3: the Violence Prevention Group. And you know, of course they
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  Speaker 3: whipped out the data because you know, the city's going
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  Speaker 3: to say, we're we're funding these organizations almost one hundred
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  Speaker 3: million dollars needs to be much more. In fact, I
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  Speaker 3: think the mayor did put some more money back into
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  Speaker 3: CMS because under Adams administration it got cut from one
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  Speaker 3: hundred to eighty six or something, so he puts some
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  Speaker 3: money into build it back up. And you know, their
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  Speaker 3: thing is, we're gonna always, we're gonna, of course celebrate
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  Speaker 3: the winds and the success. That's safe. The city is
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  Speaker 3: safer than it has been. I don't It depends on
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  Speaker 3: where you live, so that's always. We're not going to
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  Speaker 3: go down that rabbit hole today. But whatever, anyway, the
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  Speaker 3: city is safer. It is less violence, less rates, less,
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  Speaker 3: you know, all the things, because they don't just look
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  Speaker 3: at gun violence the way that some of us kind
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  Speaker 3: of have that narrow focus. They're looking at violence in general,
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  Speaker 3: hate crimes, domestic violence, all of that, and so there
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  Speaker 3: they've seen it's a steady decline in those things. However,
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  Speaker 3: the one thing that they did bring up is that
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  Speaker 3: the data suggests that young kids thirteen, fourteen, fifteen are
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  Speaker 3: probably one of the.
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  Speaker 1: Most vulnerable populations.
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  Speaker 3: So for people who are like, what do we do
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  Speaker 3: and how do we support and how do we get
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  Speaker 3: involved and you care about our youth, that is one
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  Speaker 3: of the most important things that we could be doing
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  Speaker 3: right now is trying to strengthen our youth organizations, making
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  Speaker 3: sure that there's more outreach. Looking under your children's mattresses,
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  Speaker 3: in their book bags, they're not adults in your house
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  Speaker 3: at thirteen and fourteen years old, turning their shit inside out,
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  Speaker 3: knowing this password to their cell phones. Because good kids
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  Speaker 3: get guns in their hands as well. And as we
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  Speaker 3: know with the fourteen year old out in Queens, it
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  Speaker 3: was kids just having a regular fight and somehow a
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  Speaker 3: gun went off and this boy ended up dead.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, that's one of the things that we
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  Speaker 1: should be focused on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. I think as we talk about the
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  Speaker 2: violence in the community, it's been a lot, it's been scattered,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just looking I've seen a young twelve year
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  Speaker 2: old killed a couple of weeks ago, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: I feel like there has to be a more succinct approach.
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  Speaker 2: I think we got to get back outside again. I
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  Speaker 2: think you know this, We started doing a lot of work,
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  Speaker 2: but I think we got to get right back into
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  Speaker 2: the communities. You know, I was thinking about strategies, right.
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  Speaker 2: I see a lot of these kids live stream I
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  Speaker 2: was talking to you about it a couple of weeks
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  Speaker 2: ago about live streaming, like really going to the communities,
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  Speaker 2: live streaming, doing intervention. We're talking to some of these
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  Speaker 2: kids because I've realized that that's what they're into, the
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  Speaker 2: streaming things. So I think, like some of us violence
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  Speaker 2: interrupted and incredible messages need to start streaming those that
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  Speaker 2: type of content, going to the communities and grabbing up
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  Speaker 2: these kids, having conversations, like going to the vulnerable communities
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  Speaker 2: and really letting them see what's going on. And I
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  Speaker 2: think that'll be, you know, very instrumental in a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the change.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you are you look very young, right, you
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  Speaker 3: look very young, but you're not that young, right, Like
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  Speaker 3: you're half what you have what they call it half
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  Speaker 3: a century. Then they say something like a court nicol
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  Speaker 3: something nah, something they got to do with coins, but whatever.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that also we have to make sure
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  Speaker 3: that we're training the next generation, the Nissans being your son,
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  Speaker 3: and Tarique's my son, and.
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  Speaker 1: Kylie which is Jamila T.
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  Speaker 3: Davis's son, and you know, and and all of these
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  Speaker 3: younger people, we've got to really train them to be
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  Speaker 3: because they are very good technically, Like these kids know
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  Speaker 3: how to run all kinds of like software and you know,
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  Speaker 3: and design and they're into the AI space.
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  Speaker 1: They're doing all of that.
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  Speaker 3: And they have stories, right, like which is Jamila's son,
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  Speaker 3: can talk about being a child whose mother went to
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  Speaker 3: prison and left and behind. And that is a sensitive
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  Speaker 3: issue for young kids out here right now, that there
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  Speaker 3: is a missing parent who's in prison. How do you
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  Speaker 3: overcome that?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Tarique has his own story his father was killed when
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  Speaker 3: he was young, never had his dad gun violence took
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  Speaker 3: his life, and then the story goes on and on
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  Speaker 3: and so on and so forth. Nasan has a story
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  Speaker 3: of you being away in prison for seven years of
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  Speaker 3: his life. They need to be empowered and trained within
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  Speaker 3: these organizations and spaces. And I know the crisis management
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  Speaker 3: system does it, but I'm saying that there has to
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  Speaker 3: be even more resources pouring in that you don't get
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  Speaker 3: rid of the elders, because even we are advised by
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  Speaker 3: our elders. We actually have an elder coming up on
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  Speaker 3: the show today, but even we are being advised by
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  Speaker 3: somebody an elder. So you always have to have the
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  Speaker 3: elders in the space. But people who are your age, age,
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  Speaker 3: my age and older also have to recognize that we
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  Speaker 3: cannot stand in the way of the next generation taking
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  Speaker 3: their rightful place to do the work with the generation
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  Speaker 3: behind them. And sometimes that doesn't happen. Sometimes we have
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  Speaker 3: people who are older who stick their foot in the
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  Speaker 3: door and are unwilling to move for anybody else to
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  Speaker 3: come in, and that I think stunts our growth as
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  Speaker 3: a community.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I want to do streaming because I know
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  Speaker 2: that would attract the young kids and they will want
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  Speaker 2: to be involved in the work and see it as
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  Speaker 2: something that they can cool. You know, cool. It will
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  Speaker 2: be trendy if we go streaming and we are here
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  Speaker 2: and we grabbing up and we saying, hey, we were
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  Speaker 2: raising kings, so we want to grab the next young kings.
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  Speaker 2: That's gonna stop the violence in the communities and we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna empower them and they and next thing you know,
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  Speaker 2: they got a million followers. We got a million followers,
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  Speaker 2: and now people want to be a part of it always.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I've always said about this work. You know,
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  Speaker 2: when we make it sexy, when we make it trendy,
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  Speaker 2: when we saw giving it the same platforms and the
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  Speaker 2: same you know, level of advertisement that we give everything else,
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  Speaker 2: then you'll see these kids want to be a part
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  Speaker 2: of it. Because there's a lot of people that when
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  Speaker 2: they they don't realize the work we do because they
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  Speaker 2: don't see it. So if it's highlighted and it's amplified
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  Speaker 2: the same way that you know, people doing negative not
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  Speaker 2: even just negative, just stupid stuff, and they got millions
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  Speaker 2: of followers and this and that. If you can get
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  Speaker 2: millions of followers for doing the right thing, for stopping
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  Speaker 2: violence in your communities, if you start transforming the minds
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  Speaker 2: of these kids who are naturally leaders, but they just
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  Speaker 2: leading in their wrong direction and they don't understand that
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  Speaker 2: you can actually lead in a positive direction and get
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  Speaker 2: positive results and be successful. And these are conversations that
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  Speaker 2: I have with people all the time because they don't
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  Speaker 2: know it, you know, And a lot of times when
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  Speaker 2: you when you don't see that, you know, you have
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  Speaker 2: to see it to be it. You don't see someone
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  Speaker 2: successful in a way like I always tell people when
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  Speaker 2: I was young, I didn't want to be a lawyer
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  Speaker 2: or doctor, any of that I want. I actually did
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  Speaker 2: want to be a lawyer because I used to watch
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  Speaker 2: Perry Mason. If Perry Mason made me want to be
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  Speaker 2: a lawyer when I was young, But the average.
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  Speaker 4: The kids don't know nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Sam and Matt Locke and all these I used to
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  Speaker 2: watch those shows.
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  Speaker 1: Perry Mason was good, what it was.
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  Speaker 2: That was one of my favorite shows. But I wanted
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  Speaker 2: That's why I wanted to be a lawyer. But I
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  Speaker 2: didn't see that in my community. Right. The only level
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  Speaker 2: of success that I've seen with somebody who was either
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  Speaker 2: a drug dealer. I seen basketball players have success. You know.
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  Speaker 2: Those are the things that were celebrated. They had the
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  Speaker 2: money you wanted, they had the girls you wanted. So
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  Speaker 2: I say all the times, if we really want our
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  Speaker 2: kids to transform and we want them to do positive things,
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  Speaker 2: then we got to amplify and show them positive people
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  Speaker 2: who are successful and respect it.
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  Speaker 4: You know. So that's that's just the It's important, it's
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  Speaker 4: very it's important.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate that we have to elevate the positivity and
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  Speaker 3: put the same amount of resources behind advertised and all
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  Speaker 3: of that because a doctor or a lawyer or somebody,
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  Speaker 3: unless they are saying something that you know they're talking about,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, Saint Kuchie or something, they don't get
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  Speaker 3: as much attention, right, Like you can't just go and
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  Speaker 3: be smart online and receive the type of attention that
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  Speaker 3: you deserve without having to add some types of tricks
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  Speaker 3: and gimmicks and this and that to you know, make
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  Speaker 3: it pop. And that is I believe that that is
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  Speaker 3: by design right, that the algorithm is pushing stupid ship
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  Speaker 3: to our kids, just like they pushed crack to us
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  Speaker 3: to our families, which was the major destroying factor co
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  Speaker 3: Intel pro in the movement. There has all they you know,
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  Speaker 3: you you what do they do in this era not
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  Speaker 3: this erab a little bit earlier it was you know,
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  Speaker 3: you stole money from and they're still doing that, still embezzlement,
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  Speaker 3: like they have found ways to break down all the
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  Speaker 3: positive things in our society and you know, pills then
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  Speaker 3: the tourken wars. I mean, it always is something that
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  Speaker 3: distracts us. So I appreciate what you're saying, and I
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  Speaker 3: think that that's when people say, what are the solutions?
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  Speaker 3: There are many and the solutions begin with things like
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  Speaker 3: us taking the time to click a thing like a thing,
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  Speaker 3: share a thing, and not always be like the one
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  Speaker 3: that everything you post, everything you share is drama, battles,
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  Speaker 3: gender wars. Take the time to make sure that even
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  Speaker 3: if it's only got two comments on it, that you're
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  Speaker 3: part of a community of people who are pushing positive things.
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  Speaker 3: We could do so much just for our phones, just
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  Speaker 3: for our houses. Sending five dollars to a local grassroots organization.
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  Speaker 1: We can do that.
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  Speaker 3: And so don't look for this big solution. Bring your
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  Speaker 3: solution very, very local and on a micro macro level,
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  Speaker 3: which means that it may be small in focus because
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  Speaker 3: it's just your area, but it's macro because those people
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  Speaker 3: and those ideas need help and need support. So exactly,
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  Speaker 3: speaking of young people, Tuskegee University says, no bonnets, no
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  Speaker 3: do rags, No you know, slippers and pajamas and all
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  Speaker 3: of that going to class. Keep that stuff in your dorms,
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: keep it to your privacy. And you know, there are
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: two very distinct arguments out in the universe that I understand.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: On both sides.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: I completely understand the people who say we're policing how
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: people dress. That is not that shouldn't be a major
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: focus for us, that we're out here policing people's attire.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: You don't know their situation sometimes not for nothing, especially
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: to Skia University. You talking about black kids, black girls
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: get up in the morning time and your head just
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: ain't right, like it just ain't right, It just ain't right.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: You just all over the place.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: You might have your menstrel you're going through stuff, You
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: got issues at home, and you might not have the ability,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: the time, or even the desire to fix yourself up.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: And so your head scarf might just be where you
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: at on that day, right, And well, let me just
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: finish the point. You might just be that might just
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: be where you are. And I'll tell you that there's
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: some hypocrisy in this because I personally will say that
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: I could see a bonnet and feel completely disgusted by it,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: but a do rag I don't feel that way because
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: do rags have been made, so you know that's really
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: accept it, like it's a do rag.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: You see men in drags all the time.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Although in my household and in my family, everybody knows
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: and my son knows, you ain't going nowhere with me
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: with no dow rag on your head. Take that off.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: That's because I know better. But I'm just saying it
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: doesn't make me feel as cringey as when I see
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: somebody with a bonnet on walking through the airport. So,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: but I understand people who feel that we shouldn't be
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: policing people's attire when you're trying to actually get people
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: to graduate, and if they doing well in school, perhaps
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: just getting them there is a part of the process.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Then there are people like me, So I'm putting that
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: up front, like me who were raised that everything don't
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: go everywhere, that you wear certain clothes in certain environments,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: you don't bring your bed clothes because I'm gonna tell
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: you it's nasty. Number one, because if you wear a
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: bonnet outside, you are not You don't have two different bondings.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: You ain't got a bonnet for the outside and a
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: bondt for your bed. You wear in that same funky
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: ass bonnet on your head outside to wherever you're going
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: and then bringing it back and bringing the germs and
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: putting it back in your bed. Same thing with pajamas
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: that you wear into the airport where people don't travel
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: from China Mexico, wherever else all over the United States.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: They get on the plane, whatever they got boog is
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: this that whatever nastiness that they put it in their
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: seat and then you sit your ass down on top
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: of it with them pajamas on. And you're not gonna
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: tell me that you have pajamas that's just for traveling.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: I don't believe that it's nasty.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: No, I completely agree. I think that there has to
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: be some level of the coorum right, and especially when
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: you go to higher learning. When you go to college's
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: higher learning, it's preparing you for society. It's comparing you
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: for real life. And in real life, when you go
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: somewhere profession you know, you're not wearing a bondt, You're
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: not wearing pajamas, you're not wearing slippers, you know. So
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I think it has to you have to be able
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: to separate the times from where you wear those kind
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: of clothes in the times when you do things that's professional.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: You know, if when my kids go to college, you know,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I want that level of structure. I'm especially my son
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: is fifteen nine. I'm giving him structure. Certain things that
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: you don't do. It's certain things about hygiene, and certain
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: things about the way you dress and things of that
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: nature that you're supposed to understand as a young man.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I think when you go to higher learning that those
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: things should be implemented. So I wouldn't want to be
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: in class and I'm coming and you you. I mean,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: I think even to learn right, you should you should
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: want to put on clothes that make you look a
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: certain way, because it's about I tell people all the time,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: it's not all about what you know. Sometimes about how
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: you look, your perception. You can get a job just
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: based off your appearance. If your appearance is not right,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: then everything else is become secondary.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Right, And I'm not suggesting that you need to be
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: dressed up in the highest fashions and wait and spending
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: money trying to keep up with the Joneses, but pajamas, bedclothes.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to put do rags in there, because
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: even though, like I said, the hypocrisy is that I
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: don't see it the same way, but I am going
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: to put it in there because I know better. Do
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: rags and and hair bonnets and head scarfs and all
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: of that. Those things, by the way, inside of your
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: home need to be clean, right, and put, it's sort
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: of sacred you taking that into your living space. When
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: you go out, you need to be at least preparing
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: yourself to be out in the world. Right to your point,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: to prepare yourself to be out in the world. I
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: want to go to church. I saw my cousin Kim Abney.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: He wrote this whole post about going to church was
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: a place where you learned how to wear a suit
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: and tie. You may not have had anywhere else to
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: go for the entire year that called you to wear
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: a suit and tie unless somebody got married or there
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: was some type of very very special function. A lot
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: of people don't have families that have weddings or family
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: reunions where the Saturday night is the banquet.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. A lot of people don't
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: have that. They're not in organization.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: So guess what if they go to church with Grandma
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: or Mama and family, they put they Sundays best on.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: This is how you learn how to actually be able
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: to have duality. That you don't just look one way
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: all the time. You might you're dressing up right, you're
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: dressing up or your change up might not be the
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: tie and suit. The look exactly as some of the
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: you know, the older images of what it looks like
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: to dress up. That may not be the case okay nowadays,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: and you have to credit people are you know, Russell.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Simmons and Kevin Kevin Lows.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: And people you know at that time, you know, they
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: changed it to where you can at least wear a
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: piece a pair of sneakers with your suit, and then
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: we kind of lost having to have a tie on
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: all the time. I think that's okay, create your own style, right,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: you don't have to live in a box, But wearing
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: your night clothes, your house clothes out into the world,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: to me is completely unacceptable. And I don't really you know, people,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: everybody has their opinion. So I'm not going to sit
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: here and say that someone else who feels like people
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: should be liberated to show up as they are, that
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: they are wrong. I'm saying that as for me and
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: my house and me and my family, and what I
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: will teach my granddaughter is that when we go places,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: we clean up, we get ourselves together, and yes, we
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: go and we learned and we try to excel and
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: we understand that they we should be calling ourselves to
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: a higher standard and if you want to tie this
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: back to what we were speaking on around these thirteen fourteen,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: fifteen year olds who are out here with guns, they
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: out here killing the people killing themselves. There has to
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: be a correlation here where we're dealing with this idea
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: that being an intellectual person who actually thinks and tries
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: to gain knowledge about topics and also has a level
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: of understanding and grace for other people.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: We're dealing with a serious.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Decrease in that, like you could just say anything, be
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: you know, not even necessarily knowledgeable about topics, and then
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: you somehow become an expert just because you was able
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: to say the hot thing that got you know, everybody
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: watching right that became trendy. Then over here you're dealing
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: with people telling us that we shouldn't be trying to
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: be politically correct. So now just be as you want
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: to be where you're buying it. On the airplane, where
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: when I was growing up, you got dressed up in
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: a real nice I mean, it was Sunday's best in
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: order to travel on a plane. Now just wear your
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: stinky pajamas and go to the airport. You know, everything
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: has just starting to diminish, and by the way. Even
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: our movements are suffering with some of that, where people
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: either don't take it as serious as they should, or
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: folks are unable to keep the spark and engagement in
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: the movement. And so yeah, there's enough finger pointing and
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: accountability to go around as to what people should be
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: doing to keep that elevation of the spirit, elevation of
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: the fight, elevation of excellence and all of that. Yes,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: we absolutely have enough fingers to point, but we've got
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: to be able to start somewhere, and it's got to
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: be some kind of standard.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: And I think that our young people have.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: To be taught that you don't take everything about you
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: in every space that you go in. You compartmentalize. It
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean you fake, it doesn't mean your phony. It
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: just means that when I show up at church, I
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: don't sit in there people put my foot up and
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: start cussing and eating fried chicken.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: That's not what I do while the sermon is going on.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, you just have to have versatility, and you
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: have to understand that there's just a time and place
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: for everything. And I think no better places than college,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: because college is supposed to teach you about the next
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: level of life. You know, you graduated from high school.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: The child is the you know, the teenage, the mid teenage.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: We able to just navigate and teach you. But at
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: that point when you go to college, you know, it's
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: about making real life changes. It's about growing into the
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: man and woman that you'll be. And you need to
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: understand the society that you can't show up with pajamas
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: in professional places and people take you serious.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, So last week we weren't in studio, but
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: still we talked about a couple things that I want
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: to circle back to while I'm on this here camera
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: because I need to talk back again about the Black
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: organization's closing down. Here's part two of my thought of
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: the day from last week about black organization's closing.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: So, number one, there.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Were people who thought that the organization that we posted
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: because we posted an example of the topic and it's
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: an organization called Black Visions, and they were making an
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: announcement that their organization was shutting down. And when I
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: posted it, the caption did not say that this is
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: not until freedom, which is our organization. And so there
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: were people who reached out to me to say, like,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: you know, keep your head up supportive conversations while you
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: know what can be done you people, which.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Sparks some other dialogue.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: But I want to put a pin in that and
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: say that Black Visions is not our organization. Our organization
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: is called Until Freedom and we do not know the
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: reason why Black Visions close. We were just using it
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: as an example to show that there are so many
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Black Visions is not the only organization. There are many
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: that I have. Some of them have closed without discussing it.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Some of them have closed and made big announcements. But
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: there are many organizations that have closed down and or
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: they have conjoined with other organizations because they don't have
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: the resources to keep going on their own. And so
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: but let's just be clear, Until Freedom, like most organizations,
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: is struggling as well. We are not at the point
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: of making an announcement of closing our doors, but we
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: could be right if we are not able to get
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: the type of investments that we need need from various places.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: We have many different funding sources, whether it be from individuals,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: it's individual giving, it's individuals who have you know, resources
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: at the level that they can actually help us to
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: sustain ourselves. Most of us work another job two, three jobs.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: We've got all types of other things going on which
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: sustains us personally, so that we're not putting so much
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: of a burden on the organization to care for our
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: personal needs.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Which, by the way, the work that we.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Put into an until Freedom every day, we should not
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: be having to work seventeen other places because I can
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: tell you that what that does, it diminishes people's ability
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: or limits people's ability to be able to work the
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: way that we want to, the passion that we have
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: for the community, the effort that we want to be
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: able to give. It's hard to do when you got
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: to get up and do three other things so that
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: you can survive. But most Americans are doing it, and
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: especially Black people and definitely Black women, because they say,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: we've got to have seven different forms of income in
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: order to sustain ourselves and our families. So we're all
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: hustling and whatever. And so therefore, when I see an
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: organization closing, it's just it's knocking on the doors of
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: most of us. And even the big organizations are experiencing
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: a cutback in resources that they were receiving. But those
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: conversations that started because people thought Black Visions was us
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: really led to some important conversations that gave me a
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: part two to my thought of the day. One of them,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: or a few of them were people who have lots
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: of money, right, And sometimes you can say people have
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: lots of money and you don't really know what they have,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: so we shouldn't say that, but on paper they look
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: pretty good. Just put it that way, and you know
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: when they were reaching out and they're like, you know,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: we're working on things, We're trying to figure out ways
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: to be more helpful.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: There's so many different groups reaching out.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: I have not been one who is asking people to
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: send five thousand and ten thousand dollars. Yes, that is great,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: that is important. And if you have five thousand or
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: ten thousand dollars and you want to send it to
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: until Freedom right now, we appreciate it. You can go
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: to until freedom dot com and make a donation through
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: act blue, or you can get in touch with us
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: and get us that. But we've been focused on trying
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: to make sure that we secure real investments, not that
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: those are not real, let's be very mindful, but more
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: investments so that we can sustain for a longer period
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: of time. And so these people are not calling to
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: say I got five bands to help you out. They're
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: calling to say, listen, we're looking at ways that we
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: can structurally support many organizations because we see the bottom
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: falling out. But there were two people who contacted me
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: and said, damn, like, what's going on? And I said,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: we told y'all when y'all was on your shows and
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: going on interviews and going around doing radio shows, saying
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: that diversity, equity and inclusion wasn't the main thing. It
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: wasn't that important, It wasn't working for black folks. We
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: were only getting a small piece of the pie. We
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: told y'all that the narrative was dangerous, not that we
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: don't understand the data and what the data shows. The
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: data clearly says that white women and other groups benefited
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: from DEI more than black folks, which is what it
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: was intended to. It was pretty much like the child
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: of affirmative action, one of those things that people Reverend
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Jackson and other people came up with, this idea of
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: really going into or organizations and institutions and corporations and
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: putting departments that focus on equity. Right, and so that
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: is obviously important, but as with everything that black folks
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: have somebody gonna come do corn rolls Kardashians and now they.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: To cornroll people.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and now they're the best corn roll people that
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: ever cornroll. Meanwhile, our people created that so that we
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: could put rice and other things in our heads all
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: the way back in Africa, right, so they always do that.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: There's always appropriation, is always people taking advantage of us. Nevertheless,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: the idea that people did not understand that the end
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: of DEI, the attack on DEI, the criminalization of DEI, ultimately.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Meant black people get rid of black people.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: And the problem is that people who do not understand
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: the framework of Project twenty twenty five, and they really
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: did not sit and and read and digest what that
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: document is. They don't get the connection with the diversity,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: equity and inclusion attacks.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Because when those folks say that they want.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: To restore America to the white male, or they didn't
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: say that, they said the American family, which to them,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: they're talking about the nuclear family.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: They're talking about a man woman.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: And notice that I'm taking my hand down a notch
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: when I get to woman and children and they are
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: speaking about white men, white women, and white children. Just
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: go look at the websites for all the different departments
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: in the federal government. They have whited out the photos
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: that showed diversity that you know, had all different types
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: of communities Indians and African Americans and whatnot, and they
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: have basically pictures of white folks, white children in schools,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: white people working, white people.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: That is what they're speaking about.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: So diversity, the end of diversity, equity, and inclusion was
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: not just some one off idea that it wasn't important.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: It was a part of a plan to destabilize black communities.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: And now when you see these.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Organizations closing it is it was a part their plan
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: is actually working. And so in the individual one or
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: two of the individuals said back to me, you know
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: what I hear you.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I didn't get it. I didn't see it.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Now I see more of what you're speaking about, but
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: I didn't get it, and I can tell you one
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: of the fundamental problems that I'll be done.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Both individuals continue to.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Take me back to George Floyd and the commitments that
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: were made under the George Floyd uprisings, when everybody saw
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: racism for the first time and said we've got to
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: poor money funnel money.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Into the black community.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: We're going to do better, right, And so they keep saying, well,
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: I did a report or we have reports that shows
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: that even though they committed X amount of millions or
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: three hundred and forty billion dollars or something like that,
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: that we never received and if we did, we just
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: got a slither and And this is where I just
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: want to say, for the record, if your understanding or
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: your conversation around diversity, equity and inclusion starts with George
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Floyd commitments in twenty twenty, you do not know what
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: you're talking about. And it's not disrespectful.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: You just don't know.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: You just don't know.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: You don't have the proper analysis of where diversity and
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: equity and inclusion started and understanding that they were not
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: They're not talking about a twenty twenty commitment.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: This is going back.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: This is this is not only just traveling back many years,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: it's also covering so many different aspects of things that
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: you don't think about. You don't realize that a part
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: of DEI was looking at people who are handicapped and
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: how when they show up at work, in school, and
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: other places, there were resources to be able to ensure
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: that those people had accessed the same as a person
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: who was not other able. Right, you're not looking at
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: what it meant for women, what it meant for our
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: young people. Institutions that had to build in dei and
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: colleges and other places, because when people were applying to
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: get into these institutions, they couldn't get in, not because
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: they weren't qualified, but because these different departments of admissions
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: departments were overlooking people who look like us, and therefore
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: they had to build in things that would allow them
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: to measure that and to stop it from happening. So
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: you're speaking about George Floyd.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: That tells me. And these are people who have major platforms.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: So when they go out and they go to these
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: big meetings and they're sitting down with all of these
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: corporate giants, or they're sitting in places and they're sharing
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: their perspective. People trust you because you are black, and
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: they think and you're successful and they see you tapped
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: into the culture, so they think, you know, meanwhile, you
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: really are not that well knowledgeable. You're not that knowledgeable
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: about the implications of what this attack on diversity, equity
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: and inclusion has done, what it is going to continue
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: to do and what Project twenty twenty five really is
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: and how DEI plays into making black folks back subservient.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: We never got out of it, but we are going
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: backwards in a way that is very very dangerous.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Everything you said is spot on and for me, is
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: just common sense because if everything was merit based, right,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: then they wouldn't have never had to implement DYA. Right
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: if you were just being able to get hired on
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: your own meritive because you were qualified and you were educated,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: if you did the right work, why would they have
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: ever had to create a di in the first place.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: So how did somebody trick you to believe that a
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: policy that was put in to help you is no
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: longer need it? And when they took the policy out,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: they took the people out, right. So if you if you,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: if you look and see now that all hundreds of
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: thousands of black women and men have been erased from
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: the workforce, and you telling us that we didn't need
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: it because they knew what they was doing. Even though
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: white women and other people were benefiting more from d I,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: we were the one that was gonna get harmed because
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: they took it away. So they can eliminate your jobs.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: They wasn't eliminated Susan from her job. They wasn't going
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: to eliminate Pablo because he was he was gonna take
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: the less, you know, the less pay for his job.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: They was gonna eliminate you because you were highly educated
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: and you were moving and creating generational wealth for yourself.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: We were taking over. They literally, we literally have over
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: one hundred people in Congress insteade of elected officials. We
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: created Black Caucus that they want to eliminate. Now, all
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: of these things. If you're not paying attention, and if
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: you're not really civically engaged and you don't have civic knowledge,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: then you shouldn't be talking.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: But some people have civic you know, it's not and
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I'm glad that we have our guests coming up now
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: to kind of not so much talk about this, but
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: at least I know it from listening and learning history.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: And I think that that's part of the problem. You
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: could be civically engaged in not know history, so it
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: doesn't connect to anything. You just kind of living in
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: the wilderness and you're trying to do the right thing.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: It's not I'm not taking away from people who know
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: that they need to cast their vote. They know that
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: they need to show up and be a part of
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: their community. But when you understand, to your point, why
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: was diversity, equity and inclusion ever needed in the first place,
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: then it all starts to make sense why they will
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: want to get rid of it. And what you have
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: to also be very mindful of is that there are
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: multiple things happening at one they are today. I was
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: on a long conference call listening to two things. One
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: was a report from doctor Wes Bellamy, who we have
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: to have back on the show because they have Obviously
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: there's been so much focused on black women who've lost
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: their jobs or who have been pushed out of the
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: workforce in many different ways, and let's just always have
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: to remind people that once you're pushed out of the workforce,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: that's only one issue, right that now, Also sponsorships have
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: been cut, departments have been closed down, you know, where
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: people have been able to tap in as a lifeline
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: for community, for scholarships for their young people to go
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: to college, for businesses to get resources that they can't
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: get from the banks. So this is a trickle down
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: effect that has happened with black women. The report that
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: doctor West Bellamy has done with his students and his
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: department at Virginia State University is to look at where
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: black men are. We'd black men have lost about six
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand jobs. Black men are the slowest,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: I mean the fastest declining. They're saying that black women
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: is kind of flattened out a little bit at this point.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Like they did the damage. They got rid of a
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: bunch of people.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: They pushed people out, made people feel like, let me
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: take the package and go home.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: They're just simple. It's easy to do. See, this is
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: what they always do. They said that we're going to
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: get the women out, and then some of these men say, yeah,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: they don't deserve to be anywhere. Get them all, get
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: them out of there. And then next once they got
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: rid of them, they got rid of your black ass.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: First they come for you and then they come for me.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: So you're not exempt. And so now black men are
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: the second group. But by the way, the economy is falling,
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: like there are people, there are economists speaking about this
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: every day.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Whenever you attack people who pour.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: One point four trillion dollars into an economy and you
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: take our resources away, you are going to suffer but
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: you know, that's another day's topic. We should have an
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: economists on to talk about that. And so that is
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: one report that we heard and it's very startling. But
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: the other report was on ice raids. You've got Haitians
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: now who have lost their TPS status and they are
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: putting ankle monitors on Haitians. They are putting ankle monitors
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: where you can still live in the US, but they
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: are tracking you so if they want to pick you
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: up and throw you out, they can do so. They
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: are creating in home prisons with tracking devices on Haitians,
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: shackles exactly, shackles on Haitians. This stuff is literally in
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: front of your eyeballs.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: It is happening.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Why do you think that a society under a Project
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five framework would want to deport immigrants who
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: haven't done any people making so not People won't care.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: People are making pizza at the pizza shop. We don't care.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Nobody cares if the person who cooks who makes the
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: pizza at the pizza shop, or does or whatever, even
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: if they have a different job, a fancier title.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: We do not care.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: If their child goes to school and we got paid
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: for free lunch, we want to pay.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Like the guy on the internet.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: What do you say if free lunch I want to do,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: I take my mind, but a free lunch.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: I don't care about that. But why would a society
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: decide that those people need to be deported, criminalized, some
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: of them even killed, and then all of a sudden
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: they want black people not to be working.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: What do you.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Think that these people are trying to do.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: It's not what they're trying to do with it. What
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: they're doing, they're definitely disenfranchising us and they're taking away
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: all of our resources. Because I always say, when I
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: look at the matrix, right, we remind me of the virus.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Like anything that we touch, we control. And they know
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: that immediately. Once we learn, we've learned their systems. So
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: that's why I say every one hundred years they have
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: to disenfranchise us, because once we learn the system, we
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: master it. And once we start mastering it, we just
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: like a virus and we start taking over the ship.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: So they say, no, we got to stop them, We
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: got to cut them off, and we got to start
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: them from scratch again. And it's what they keep doing
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: all the time.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: And the internet has become one of the biggest threats.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Media has always been the biggest stress one.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Of the biggest biggest threats, not the Internet. Not the Internet,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: because there's very good resources on the Internet where you
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: can become more knowledgeable, you can share, you can connect,
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: you can meet with people.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: But the social media.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Social media has become one of the biggest threats to
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: our empowerment and our unity.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Because they know how to want.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: A good job.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: They put they put the loudest, dumbest voices with our
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: colors in front, and they amplify that and they make
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: that make those people seem like they know what they
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: talking about, and they don't know nothing, and they just
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: be talking heads. And immediately when you put them in
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: front of somebody that actually know something, you see they
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: don't know nothing. And then what happens is they don't
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: care because you got people like Trump that what you
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: just followed, They follow this cult mentality and they keep
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: lying to themselves. They don't even admit that they don't
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: know what they talking about. They just keep on running
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: with the lie. And most people don't care because they
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: want to believe the bullshit anyway. So to do something
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: exactly so if you just keep on to let somebody
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: say dumb shit and they just live with the lie
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: and just keep on saying it over. Trump can just
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: keep saying the same thing over and over and over
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: about we see it we at war or the country
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: for absolutely no reason, and now we negotiating to get
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: back where we was before the war started, and they
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: saying the same shit over and over and people believe it.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: It doesn't even make sense. But if you keep on
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: saying something over and over, it becomes the truth. So
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: that's what's happening right now.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: It's a trick bag, but it's not funny.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: So we barely really really ever probably never talk about
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: the topics for an episode during the episode, but this
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: time I think it is fitting of our guests, who
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: is one of our friends. Y'all know, it's a big
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: thing that we have to have our friends on that
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: are doing amazing things. And today, for this particular episode,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: what came to me was the woman behind the Power,
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Core Masses Berry on love, leadership and legacy, because that's
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: all we're going to talk about.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: Come on now, okay.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: The power.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's you. You are the power, all right, right,
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: that's but I'm glad you finally told me what we
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: were gonna talk about.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what I told you because no, you know why,
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: because you are the type of person that if I
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: would have told you, then you would tell me that's
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: not good, take that out.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: Put that over there.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: So I just avoided all of that by not.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: Telling you at all.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: But I'm so glad that you took the time to
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: come up and visit us on our show. It's one
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: thing to be virtual, it's a whole different vibe. Come
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: into the studio and spend some time with your mentees.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well we've been talking about it for a long time. Yes,
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: I'll watch you all the time, and of course I
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: cheer you on and correct you. Yes from afar, but
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: you know, it's a great show and you guys get
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: important information out.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so thank you for coming. Let me tell
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: y'all who core mass experience.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Another thing we don't do is read bios, but we're
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: going to do all that today because when you have
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: greatness in your myths, you need to get it right.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: And I want to just read a couple of things,
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: not the whole bio, but just some things that helped
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: to bring you up to speed as to who this
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: woman is. So TMI is so proud to welcome Cora
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: masters Barry, the former First Lady of Washington, d C.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Some people would argue that she's still the first Lady
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: of Washington trac a political strategist and educator, a trailblazer,
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: and once boxing commissioner, which a lot of people do
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: not know that this woman was the boxing commissioner. Oh
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: and wrestling. We got to figure, you know, we got
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: to talk about all of that. A staunch youth advocate,
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: like too much of a youth advocate probably for some.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: People, because she becomes the children's.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Parents and the parents' parents to make a community come
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: together to ensure that our children get what they need
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: and deserve. And she's the founder of the Southeast Tennyson
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Learning Center, which you and I have celebrated in that space.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: The work that is happening with our young people from
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: Blacks and Wax, which I think we should be bringing back.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about that off camera, and just other programs
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: and things I mean, I've been at We've been at
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Southeast Learning and Tennis Center with Venus and Serena Williams.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: We've been there with other celebrities we've been at fancy,
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: fabulous engagements, but we also have done community work out
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: of that space.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: And so you'll have to tell us why you invested.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: You could have done anything with your life once Marion
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: Barry was no longer with us, the great honorable former
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: mayor of Washington, d C. But you decided to pour
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: into young people. And I want to hear more about that.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: He was a four term man. Yeah, four I thought
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: it was like two terms. No, I don't know why
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: I'm meant four term mayor?
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: How many were you involved in helping him Ryan in
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: nineteen seventy one?
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: Okay, So I was involved with his very first campaign
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: when he ran for Skoboard when he was at Pride.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: So we've been friends, colleagues, political allies, comrades for many,
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: many many years before we got married. So I would
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: arguably say I was probably very much involved in everything
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: that he ever did.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Wow, four terms. I mean that.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: Deserves its own conversation, what it's like to four turns
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: through adversity, racism and everything.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: And I think the thing about.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: You that is most it gives me, it makes me
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: slightly emotional, is that you are the wind beneath so
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: many people's wings. And so it makes perfect sense that
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: you were there with him from the very beginning, because
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: I'm sure if he was sitting here now he was
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: saying I couldn't have done four terms without the machine
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: of the core, Masteresbury and others who helped him to
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: get where he was.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: But I think that the drama of Marion Berry is
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: well known across the country, so we don't need to
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: realiterate that everybody knows it. But it was because of
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: that that he did four terms. That when Maryon was
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: set up to be taken down by the government simply
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: really because he was too many black people were making
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: too much money, and they had tried to set him
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: up with money. But mary never cared about money, so
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: they could never get him taking money. They could never
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: bribe him. But they knew he loved the streets, so
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: they called him in the streets.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: The street.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: He loved the street. Oh yeah, no, he was a
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: great man, but he loved the streets, and they called
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: him in the streets. But when it was all done,
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: and said just in context, when they had the child,
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: I think fourteen or fifteen counts, most of them were felonies.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: He was convicted on a simple charge of simple possession,
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: a misdemeanor. That was it. And the judge was so
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: angry was he that I've never seen His name was
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: Penfield Jackson and that sounds like somebody sitting on a plantation,
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: doesn't it. Christ He was so mad. He was so
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: mad that he sentenced him to six months in jail,
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: first term, first offender, misdemeanor, simple possession. Six months. Man
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: made him great, Old.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: We got to talk about how you tell us that
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: our knocks are boost so sometimes.
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: But that's how he got that fourth term.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Though, because he had been knocked down.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: Well, if they had just given him his fair thing,
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: given him what do you call it, publics? I mean
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: community service. He did have loved him, but jail right
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: made him a king. Really, that's what y'all gonna do.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: So we're gonna bring them all the way back. That's
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: what our people can do when they really really understand
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: their power.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Absolutely so for me, right, So I'm doing a little
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: history and I see that they say your mother ran
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: for president four times.
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, doctor Isabel Masters.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she was way ahead of her time.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: That's why I see you have all of that in you.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: You could have been the president. Easy.
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: Who wants to do that? I know who wants that job?
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: Oh my god. But she was something else. She got
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: her PhD at sixty eight years old. My mother was
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: a single mother. She raised six kids in college, educated
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: every single one of us, and then went back and
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: got her master's degree. And they were there, the big
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: spread of that and evident you can look it up.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: And then went back and got her PhD at sixty
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: eight years old, and you know, was politically active, didn't
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: care much about the Democrats or the Republicans. But she
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: ran the Looking Back Party. She was She was the
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: nominee of a couple of the the the Alternative Party.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yeah, how was that? Were you involved? How
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: old were you when?
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Well, time the.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: First time my mother decided she was running for president,
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: I was a grown woman and she was running. The
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: last couple of times she was running at the same
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: time Jesse Jackson was running, and she was mad at me.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: She was like, you supporting Jesse? I said, Mom, I'm
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: supporting you too. Yeah, but she was serious. She was
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: way ahead at her time.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: Wad what were you doing for Reverend Jackson at that
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: time when he was running for president and not And
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: whether or not you were close to him is not important,
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: But what were you?
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: What was life?
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: My support of Jesse Jackson was through Maryon, because Marion
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: is the reason that Jesse ran for president the first time. Well,
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: when he we did a street naming of Maryon. I
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: don't know if you were there a couple of years ago,
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: and we wanted Jesse to speak, but he couldn't, so
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: he but he did a video. It was a lot
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: of effort. But when you did the closed caption, he
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: talked about the fact that when he wanted to run
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: for president, he went to all the big city mayors.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: He named Tamina Jackson, he named Carl Stokes, he named Hatcher,
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: he said, and they all kept saying this, now it's
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: not the time. Now, it's not the time. Then he said, well,
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: I went to see Marion Barry, my brother. He said,
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: we'll make the time. And so that's why he ran.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: And that when he ran, he announced his candidacy from
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: the city from it's I mean, we can tell it now,
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: from the city call I mean a convention center at Washington,
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: d C. Where Marion had given all the DC government
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: workers four hours of liberal leave. So when you saw
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: the cameras, you thought all these people were there for
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: Jesse and they were government workers. That's what they did.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: They had leave so they could choose.
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: They wanted to guy be at the convention center when
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: he's announcer. Yeah, I love that when you could use
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: the power for empower in your own Yeah. Yeah.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: And your father was a marine, one of the first
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: black Yeah.
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: He was the first black marine. Wow, the first black
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: very first. Wow.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: How do he pass? I don't remember.
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: He passed natural death, but he they you know, as
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: a political scientist and the historian, I have something that
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: I called the Jackie Robinson syndrome. There are no accidental
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: firsts when it comes to our people. And so everybody
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: who has been the first from floor rock everybody down.
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: Some white people were sitting somewhere saying, this is what
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: the first has to look like and be like. So
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: with my father, it would you would think that he
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: was just the first one that showed up. That's not
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: what they did. They were recruiting. He was on a bus.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: There's a college in Oklahoma called Langston University. We're all
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: out of Oklahoma, and he and my mother were on
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: the bus going between Oklahoma City and Langston, and they
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: saw him. He was nice looking and was well spoken,
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: you know, whatever they was looking for for the Negroes then,
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: and they talked to him and asked him would he
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: be interested in it being the first one and listed
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: as first Black marine, and they set up a meeting.
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: They came my mother had My mother had to sign
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: an approval to do it because they didn't want to
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: be I think what they told me accused of breaking
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: up a family and by sending somebody off the war
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: without the approval of the spouse. Now I don't know
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: what that wow wow, but yeah.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: That so they recruited him, they did, okay, cool, so
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: then okay, but your mom still raised your you all
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: asked them when it.
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: Came back from the war and realized that he almost
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: lost his life over there for a country. Then when
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: he came back, he was living in the front in
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: the back of the bus, and the the prisoner of wars,
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: the Germans and the Japanese are sitting in the front
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: of the bus.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: Oh no, that was the history of World War Two.
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: They came back black, the Black soldiers came back to
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: Jim Crow Wow, and all of that. You came back
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: and my mother just summed it up and just said
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: he was shell shocks. So she took us all and
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: went to California.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: And that's right, So you were in So where was
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: that at the time before California?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Where was your mom and your dad?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: Oklahoma?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: C They was in Oklahoma City, then they went to California.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Raised y'all there, How in the world.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: The mother did it? My mother left my father in Oklahoma.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: And Oklahoma went to California. How did you get to Washington,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: d C. Help me, help us understand?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: We would just say that's that that would be in
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: the book. Okay, Okay, I mean I went off to
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: college and eventually ended up in Washington, DC to work
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: on my master's degree. Okay, there's a plenty in between.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: That little.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, we talked about that offline because I really
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: don't know the answer to it is, so I need
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: to I need to know. Then, how did you meet
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: Marion Barry? Where were you actively engaged?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: When the way I met Marion really actually was I
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: was working on my master's degree at Howard University, and
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: it was in the evening I was working on public administration.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: Met a guy and we were at a place called
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: Billy Simpson's meeting three or four other people in between.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: I guess we might have whatever we're doing given a break,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: and said he was on his way to Walter Palmrooy's
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: house too because he was going to run for a
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: non voting delegate, and then we want to go, so
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: we said yeah, so we went. And that's why I
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: started sort of doing politics, because I think that was
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: just where I was. But I didn't meet Mary. And
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: then I'm a Delta and I was at a Delta
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: meeting at the y w C A and in Washington,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: d C. I was sitting in the back. I didn't
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: know most of the people Bufferton, California, and he came
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: in with a Dashiki super black and I said, who
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: is that and they said that's man A Barry. I said, ugh, oh,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: he was so arrogant. Oh Lloyd, Yeah, that's wag and
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: getting there campaigning for Walter Farboy for he was reporting
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: him as none voting delegate. He wasn't running for anything.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: He was still he had a snick and uh and
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: uh pride. But that's the first time I saw him.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: He was very arrogant, and you lights him anyway, because
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: that's what we like of always liked those kind of means.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: But at that moment he was just.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: Arrogant and he felt you was the first love. Not
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: first love, but he fell in love with you.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: So we know that you were the first lady, you know,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: but you are a brilliant, phenomenal woman of your orange.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: What are some of the accomplishments that you've done that
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: you're proud?
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: Well, I always say I never had a plan for
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: my life. So my life really has been a life
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: of basic, organically following something that's inside of me, and
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: it almost always is for the greater good up to
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: a point. Now, there was a point that my leadership
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: took everybody where they weren't supposed to go. When I
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: first went off to college, the dean of students called
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: me in and looked at me and said, miss Masters,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: the only reason you're not on the train on the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: way home is because you're only one person and you
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: can't be doing all of this. So I have always
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: had a leadership, you know, just depended on how I
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: was going to use it. And at some point, you know,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: God said, okay, you know, get over here and make
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: some sense. So I just went from one thing to another.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: I've always been very interested in young people always. I
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: just think it's important earlier you can get them. So
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: almost everything that was in my life, no matter what
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: it was, it was rooted in young people. I didn't
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: go I didn't go to college for that. I didn't grad.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: I didn't graduate and do education or anything. I was
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: in a public administration. But everything that I've ever done,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: even if it was the Boxing Commission, the most out
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: of accomplished in the Boxing Commission changed how they did
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: the rules to protect the health and the safety of boxers,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: especially young people. I started a program where they competed
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: among the Washington d C. New Jersey in Pennsylvania. We
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: called it the Mayor's Stuff. It was always always went
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: to young people. And then I Marian became the aor
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: historic sports term and I really, really, and that'll be
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: in my book. Did I want to do that? And
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: I didn't really know. I did not want to do
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: any of it. But that's a whole nother story. That's
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: the whole another book. But at some point I was
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: there and we had broken a lot of records, we
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: had made history and I read a magazine article the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: other day that I did back in nineteen ninety six,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: and the Marying one, and he took office in nineteen
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: ninety five, and I talked about it. Whatever I did,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: it would be to empower young people. I started an
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: organization called the Recreation Wish List Committee because Marion asked
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: me to head up his inaugural. People were giving hundreds
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: of thousands of dollars for a party, and I was like,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: I'm not doing that. So I just took some of
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: that money and put it to the side and started
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: an organization to help with recreation. I didn't want to
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: kiss babies, I didn't want to go to teas. I
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: wasn't going to make new friends just for all purposes.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: So I just empowered my community and we started an organization,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: and then we would go around the city and put
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: in back boxing gyms and computer labs, baseball diamonds, and
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: then tennis courts. One day, and then Guy gave me
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: another vision to build on top of the tennis courts
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: a building. So here we are now, you, I mean,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: it's twenty five years later.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: You and you know the connections there are make me.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: It's so interesting because sometimes we think if we started
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: out here, we have to follow exactly this line in
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: order to be successful to get where we're traveling.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: But you show that you can move.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: Around and apply your skill set in many different ways.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: So you're a professor of political science, professor at what college?
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: Was it? University of the District of Columbia, right.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: So the University of DC for twenty six years, and
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: also boxing commissioner. Like these are two different things, completely
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: different things that most people would never say that you
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: can do one and the other because they would say, well,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: what do those two things have to do with each other?
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: And I'm sure being the boxing commission that took you
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: to night life and had you out. I mean, we
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: have that picture which I intend to put in the
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: show of Muhammad Ali and you sitting at the banquet
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: or something that you are at. So you know, you're
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: working with Muhammad Ali. And while the struggle is real,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: we know the movement was strong and all of that,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: there's still funny stories of things that was going on,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: personal lives and issues, you know, and.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: All of that.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: To talk about that diversity of self as a woman,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: that you're not stuck to one thing, well.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: Go back to my mother. We never got anything defined
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: for us based on gender. You just never got discussed.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: She modeled that a woman could do and be anything.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: So it took me a very long time to realize
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: that there was such a thing as misogyny.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Because you, being a woman, been a woman.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: I didn't think that was an issue until I was
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: put on the boxing commission. I asked Mary. He asked
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: me what I wanted to do to put me on
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: the boxing commission because we had tried to do a
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: fundraiser and there were big fat men sitting around not
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: doing their white men, the big old fat black men,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: but the whole all of them were just trifling, talking
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: cigars and get the ring wasn't up. And I was like,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: I want to be on the boxing commission.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: So you hadn't You weren't in the boxing No, So
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: you just having him try to work with them on something.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: It's going to do a boxing match, yes, for as
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: a fundraiser for again the recreation department, and you in
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: order to do that. A boxing commissioner is a regulator.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: A boxing commissioner is the one who gives a license
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: to a boxer, a manager, a trainer, a promoter, all
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: of that has to come through the commission. You have
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: to have certain criteria to be a licensed that is
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: for the boxing Commissioner does so in order to do
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: any of those things, we had to go through those
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: those incompetence.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: So what did they do when you showed up?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: Well, when, oh, well, that's a whole other story. When
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: it was announced, it's a long story. But when it
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: was announced that Marion was appointing me to the boxing Commission,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: I was the first woman in the country. Uh mmm,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: all hell broke. It was all across the country and
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: I didn't understand it. He did, Oh man. He asked
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: me what commission do you want to be And he
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: kept trying to put me on the real estate Commission.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: The ABC boyd said I'm gonna do that stuff. And
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: then one day I said, I know I want to do.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: I want to go on the boxing commission. He said,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: he the boxing committte And I said yeah, and he
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: said are you sure? I said yeah, And this is
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: what he said to me. He said, well I can
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: have it if you can. Oh. And he went on
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: by this business and I saw that. I and then
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: a couple of months later to give me a call
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: and said, I've been nominated to go on the boxing
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: COMMI I totally had forgotten about it. And then about
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: two weeks later, after the word broke and all this is,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: you know, on the internet, pull it up, the lady
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: called me to tell me that there had been a
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: letter submitted to the city about me. It was a
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: letter that had been submitted with no signats if they
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: accused me of everything from drug dealing the problem you lie.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: It was an amazing I mean, from prostitution to drug dealer.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: And I was like, she said, you out, that was
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: before emails.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: So you have a copy of this letter.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure I do. So I ran over there
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: to look at it. I'm at city Hall and I'm like,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: oh my god, this is horrible. I mean, I'm a
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: professor of political science. I can't have people say these
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: things about me. I have a more interpret two clause
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: from my job. Although I started calling the mayor, calling
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: the mayor, and he was bus he said, being the
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: damn mayor. So finally as secretary and he was fat Selden.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: I called about the tenth oft time. She said, missus Corar,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: the mayor will call you when he gets a chance.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: I said, I'm not getting off this phone till he
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: gets on there. I don't care what you say. I'm
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: gonna come up there. And I was in city Hall.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: So he got on the phone. He said, what's up.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: What's up? I said, they got a letter out blah
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah. He said, I told you I
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: can hell it if you can. Wow. So that was
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: him letting me know that you didn't understand where you
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: where you was doing. I know this is gonna be
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: a big deal.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: But you.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: Cause you don't because you think you all have Why
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: did'all you know?
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Because you're gonna fight me over Okay, you.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: Want to do that, I'm gonna put you on there
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: and the rest. That's what. That's the whole book by itself. Wow.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: That is wow. They lost their their minds.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: They were going they were coming from me and the
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: way I corrected that because once I once I realized
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: to your pointed by it, once I realized I wasn't
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: gonna get no support from the mayor. That's your look.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: You said, now you gonna hand your business. I was
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: separated from my husband. I called him, I said, will
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: you come to my hearing? Because I had to be.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: Confirmed, meaning that y'all were not in the same house.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: Separated. Yeah, a friendly Yeah, my mother, that's my camera. Okay.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: I called him and he said, I said, you come
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: when you come to my hearing. He said, yeah, my
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: girlfriend owned the sprintal home. She gave us one of
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: her one of her funeral cars. We picked him off.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: This is so good, and picked up my two daughters
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: from school and they showed up at the funeral car.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: And we're supposed to be in limbousines right this paneral
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: My god. So we go in there and I'm sitting
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: there at the hearing and everybody's the place is full
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: because you know, I'm being nominated to be on a
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: boxing commission. And the woman who was chearing, whose name
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: I won't call, didn't like me that much. And I
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: could tell she kept looking at this letter, and she
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: kept looking over there at my husband and she said,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: ms Masters, is I understand your separated? That? Yeah? I said, yeah,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: that's my husband and my two children right there. So
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: y'all was separated. Yeah, but you had to go. I
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: told you, I said, we have a modern marriage. Oh
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: in other words, now read this in public with my children.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: Sitting there reading and it hadn't been signed. So she said, well,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: we have some here, but I'm not going to enter
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: into the record since it hadn't been signed. But I
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: promise you if I had not done that, she would
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: have done strategy. Strategy was the strategy. And I was like,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: and you were confired. Oh yeah, I was confiredbent. I
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: was commissioner for ten years. At first I was just
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: a commissioner and then I became Chair of the commission.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Was Muhammad Ali boxing at the time?
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: Yes. I came into boxing when Muhammad Ali had just
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: lost to Leon Speins and I met the people with
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: Leon Speins and Hilton Head and he was They were
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: training for the rematch in New Orleans, so yeah, he
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: was boxing.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Wow, what was that like?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: Just please give us a little Muhammad Ali, honey, because
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: you know, Muhammad Ali was the man, but.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: He was he was the man, but he was you know,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: he was just really the same. No, uh, he was
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: very he was. Okay, I'll give you I you're not
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: familiar with watching in DC, but there's a hotel called
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: the Hyatt right there on Eighth Street, and I don't
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: remember why, but we were all sitting one of those hotels, says,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: everything is open, the restaurants outside. We're just sitting out there.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: He's on his way off the Iraq or somewhere to
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: do something. And I said to him, I said, mohammap,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: it's called Muhammad. I said, you better not do that,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: because I'm telling you now you're gonna get in trouble.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: You're not Jesse, because you know, Jesse was y' all young. Yeah,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: Jesse was going and getting prison like that. I said,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: you're gonna go there and mess up and then they
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: gonna then you're gonna get in trouble. And he said, dang,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: do nothing by me. If I mess up, they gonna say, oh,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: Muhammad Ali. They took advantage of it. He said, if
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: I do good, they say I'm the grating. And I
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: was I thought that. I said, you know, he's right, Yeah,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: I can't lose. They'll just say it's their fault. Who
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: like that? Now?
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Sure, oh yeah, oh yeah, but it's different.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: But he was a great guy. He was. He was
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: a great guy. Yeah. He liked a lot of women.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: Though.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: Oh listen, his ex wife is telling her story right now.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: She's saying a lot of things I've been watching the
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: clips of her talking about the things that happen.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: Anyway, let's go. Let me say that.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: You and other women, including my own mama, will tell
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: the story of how the men love the ladies love
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: the ladies, probably a little bit too much, but somehow
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: y'all still navigated. See, we we are at the age
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: or we are in a time where cheating is like
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: the worst thing that could ever happen.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: That's a thing.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: Oh man, Oh it's it's big problems crazy.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: They'll let you buck.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: They were mentioned back then too.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, hm, but y'all kind of what was the thing?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: Was it that they were taking very good care of
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: you all as women, because that's nothing like I'm not
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: going to work myself down to the bone and then
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: have a man that's out here being whatever.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: First of all, cheating is different now than it was then,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: you know, prior as was I was getting off her
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: in age. You know, that's when all this age and
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: all that stuff started coming. Cheating took on a whole
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: different dynamic then than it used to be. And I
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: just think different generations of women did different ways of
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: dealing with man. I wasn't very tolerant of it. I
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: never have been. Neither was my mother. That's why she
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: raised us in California. But you know, my relationship with
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: Mary and was withstood all of that as friends, but
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: our marriage didn't withstand it.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: Wow, that was that's a quote. As friends, we were
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: able to get through it all, but marriage for me.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: No, whoo, this is so good. We're stopping right now.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: We got a little bit more because we want to
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: go to Venus and Serena.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: So you know the center that you have, this amazing space.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: We met Venus and Serenity. What was the inspiration to open.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: Well, again, back to the conversation about the Recreation wish
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: List committee, the inspiration to open the center was always
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: to utilize anything that we have in our community to
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: empower and change the trajectory of our children. So tennis
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: is one of the best mechanisms. It's one of the
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: best sports any kid can get involved in, but it
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: wasn't available to us, not on any equality level. So
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: Venus and serena appearance on the national stage helped with
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: the vision I had to build the top East Tennis
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: and Learning Center. I think that if they were not there,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: I don't think it would have been that easy to
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: But how did you meet them?
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: I met them because of my husband and I and
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: people that were very much into tennis. Went to the
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: US Open. I'm trying to think the very first time.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: I was watching tennis one day and Venus was playing
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: at Wimbledon and she had they still had the beads,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: and so there was something going on about that, and
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: she had melted down, and I remember being very emotion
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: I'd never met them day in my life. I remember
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: being very emotional about this black girl with these beads,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: you know, like being in the world all these I mean,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: I just I just felt so and I was like,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: just come on, come on, come on, talking to the TV.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: So she came home. That was before they built the
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: art As Stadium. This was theis Lewis Armstrong which is
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: still there. And so she came to play against a
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: white girl named Mary Pierce, who you got, big old braid,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: she known for it, big old braid down her back.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: This girl was fifteen years old and she's playing against
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: this journeyman, this girl Mary Peers. And I'm sitting in
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: the box along with some other people and the people
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: are cheering for Mary Piers. Now you gotta understand, this
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: is a US Open, and I'm on TV, so I'm
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: not gonna say the US f and Open, but this
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: is what this was. So I started saying whatever. I
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: don't know whatever I was saying. So White Lady looked
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: up at me and said, well, you know, it's really
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: just about the underdog. I look at her, I said,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: turn around. I know what you're trying to do, and
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: thank you for that. But I know what I'm looking at.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: So when sa Venus won, we were sitting catacorne across
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: the court to and I saw or seen jump up
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: to leave, and I jumped up.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: That's her mother, their mother, their mother.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: Where the lobby is out there where all the people
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: come in, and I jumped up and I cut her off.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: She was leaving, Yeah, she was living and she had won.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: That's what they always did, to get up and leave.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: But I cut her off. So I introduced myself and
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: I'm standing there and Richard come up. That's a whole
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: lot of conversation. But I was very, very upset about
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: about it, and she was very calm. She's got a
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: calm personality until she doesn't. And she said her answer
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: to me, I think is when I fell in love
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: with them. She said, we're used to it. That was
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: right here for me. Why why are you used to it?
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: This is United States of America. That's a black girl.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: They should be cheering for her. We're not gonna be
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: used to this. And that just changed everything. And and
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: you and her became bestie and all to this day, yes, right, and.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: The children and you And so to your point, you
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: were asking about the center.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: What you were saying, Yeah, well, I was, you know,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: building the center. She went, she went her way. I
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: went my way. She left, her husband, moved to Washington
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: for a while, and I had a hip replacement while
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: this thing was being built. I'm just skipping a whole
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: bunch of stuff. So we had just put the ceiling on.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: We had did the cutting of the uh you know,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: you signed a beam and when you're getting ready to
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: put the cover on the building, we had done that.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: I had my surgery, so I was Bedriddensha called me
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: and told me that her Easha is their daughter, the
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: oldest one. The oldest one was killed johndy Way in California.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: So Easha was the next oldest. To tell me that
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: she was gonna take her mom to look if I
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: could let her in. So they let her in so
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: she could see us. No windows or anything. So they
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: came to visit me. Marion went had the security go
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: by some spaghetti, some my gianos because they like the
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: Italian food. I entertained them in my bedroom. It was
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: Esha and Orsine and Marion and myself. I'm in the
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: bed and Orsine said to me, she stood over me,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: I remember it like yesterday. We talked about the other day.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: And she said, so, when you're gonna open it? And
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: I looked at her. This was in January, and I said,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: when Venus and Serena it can be there and another
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: day before if they can be there tomorrow and open
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: it tomorrow. If they can't be there till this time
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: next year, we'll open it this time next year. I'm
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: not opening it until they can be there, because this
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: seller represents who they are, if the community represents the
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: community they came out of, so all of that has
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: to be you know, menience. And she took out her
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: and back in the day she had a BlackBerry and
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: she was at that time still controlling the girls. And
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: she looked and she said, we're available. April twenty second.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: Can you do it? Then I said, we're opening it
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: up in April twenty second. And that's how they came. Wow,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: she came. The whole family came.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: So rich with history, so much history. Wow, such a historian,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: like we call you and you tell us so many things,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: like I remember you introduced me to Hugh P. Newton's wife,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, she just knows everybody like you, the madam.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: I'm just glad that I'm alive so that I can
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: keep bugging y'all about the history. That's but you made
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: a really good statement. I was so proud to hear
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: you say it that if you don't know the history,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: you're just operating in a moment. You're in a bubble.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: And it's.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: One more question, one more question, because I know you
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: got a lot to do. But we were talking about
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: DL early and then you gave us the history of DR.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: Could you give that history of DR for us real quick?
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I want to say one thing
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: before we even talk about that they're talking about in
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: this country about what they call democratic socialists. I want
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: to announce to everybody, please, this country has been socialistic
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: since the nineteen thirties. Please go back and look at
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: the New Deal under Franklin Delano Roosevelt. After the capitalistic
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: society develop art and people were in breadlines and there
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: were no safety nets. He did the same thing Trump did.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: He packed the Supreme Court and got those programs under him,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: became New Deal. That's what social security, public housing, welfare,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: food stamps, all of that came in the forties. In
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: the thirties, so we've always had a socialistic country. Where
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: do you think supplementing the FOS departments are all of
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: that socialism? There was all safety nets, So I'm saying
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: all that to say, and that went fine, but that
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: didn't solve the problem of Jim Crow. So by the
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: time we got through all of that and got through
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: Jim Crow. Although those social nets did help black people too,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: they did trickle down because we all I remember we
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: had I don't know, look things you punched we had
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: for eating you know, food that worn't Yeah, there was
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: things like that. And we lived in public housing at
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: the Jordan Down Projects for nine months before we moved out.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: So we benefited from from parader Franklin Delanor Roosevelt. But
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: when the nineteen sixty four and the nineteen sixty five
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: Voting Rights and Civil Rights Act passed. Red Johnson said
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: we got to do something.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: Called though, what did you do?
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: No, you said, Johnson, Yeah, that's WORL poverty. Yeah, oh okay,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: worrel poverty. And and that's when he came up with
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: the permative action. And he said, okay, you can tell
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: everybody that they can now the the discrimination is going.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: There's no more rules that say you can't do it.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: But they're not there. They You've had the superior education,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: you've had the opportunities you have to give people on
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: what a head starts. And that's where a firmative action
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: came from. That was the origin of the d and
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: at all, and it had its backs under Reagan. He's
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: the first one to start dismantling some of the programs
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: coming out from under on the Johnson Carter held him
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: for a minute and then he got caught up in
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: Iran and that was the end of that. The Trump
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: learned from that, But yeah, that's where it started.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: And then the EI becomes then the sort of like
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: the child, which is which I said of affirmative action.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: It was kind of like the tactic. Yeah, right, yeah,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: so you because initially it was about black people, right. Initially,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: firmative action was it's really about leveling the field because
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: we had such a they had such a head start.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: But then it became women and you know, just to
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: be And it's very similar to the voting rights right
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: that it started out being black folks fight, but then
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: that we actually opened the doors for other communities, for
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: women and other people to receive their voting rights. There's
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: so much this, You're right, This is a part one
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: because we need to come back and talk about what
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: you see happening today. I do want you to just
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: mention some of the people who you have mentored that
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: folks see today.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: And I'm one, so I claim I am.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: I am mentored by fire, by fire, oh my lord,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: by core mass weary.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: But I needed it. I needed in.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: I always tell the story of how I called Core
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: masters Bury one day and I was destroyed. And we
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: had gone through many phases of this really really difficult
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: time that I was in. I was you know, being
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: you know, I wanted to say attacked, and you know,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: maybe there's a better word for it, but I was
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: under the white supremacist I was under their eye they
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: were paying attention to me and putting throwing the sink
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: at me, and you know, it was a real hard
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: time and we had had some emotional moments. We had
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: to do a lot of strategy. When you talk about
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: bringing the children and having them and your husband or
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: your what was your strange husband at the hearing, those
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: are some of the kinds of ideas that we had
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: to employ during the time that I was going through
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: the attacks against me, just you know, different things. But
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: this particular day, you know, it felt like the worst
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: of it all, and that probably was towards the very
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: end of it. It's funny because that's how it goes
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: when the attacks are raging and you just think, this
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: is it.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: I'm done, as dark as hours right before, don.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: It's right there, and I called you to tell you, listen,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: this is it. It's four hundred news articles they saying
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: all these things about me. I'm plastic everywhere. I'm in
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: every newspaper. It's terrible. And you said, oh my lord,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: this is amazing, this is great.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I will never talk to this lady.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: Is my last conversation with Coral masses Berry because they
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: are trying to kill me, and you're sitting here telling me,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: what did you say?
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: They don't ways that kind of aco somebody who doesn't matter.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: You making air dance difference. You are making a difference.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: You are threatening them. Who's gonna write about somebody who's
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: doing nothing?
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: And you also told me you said you don't know
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: what God can do. You said, because you could be
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: doing all the good in the world and never get
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: one story told about you. But he he's taken what
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: you think is your worst moment and using it to
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: elevate you. And look at me, now, how But you know,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Elevation comes with a.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: Lot, it does. It all comes with responsibilities. I tell everybody,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: if you want to be an advocate, you got to
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: be ready to sacrifice because there are sacrifices involved in it.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: So tell us who you've mentored that we know.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: I don't really like that word. Of people that have
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: been in my life, I think probably of the ones
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: that goes the fartherest back that you would know where
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: to start with. Melanie mm HM.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: Melanie Campbell, who is the President and CEO of the
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: National Coalition of Black Civic Participation. In her organization is
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: considered to be one of the big eight civil rights groups.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: Across the country at the conference now.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: And she's the convener of the Black Women's round Table,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: which has been at the Really, I mean, the Black
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: Women's round Table has one saved a lot of women
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: from the types of issues that we spoke about. Has
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: been the foundation of women who are running for office,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: women who need training resources. I mean, just and you
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: have definitely been her mentor give somebody else, you know, Bell.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: Benis and Serena and Angela and Angela.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: You gotta tell these people who these folks are. Angela
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: could be anybody.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: What if these are all my friends?
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: Angela Also Brooks is a senator, not a state senator.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: But this is important.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: She's not.
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  Speaker 2: You always want to be modest.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: By the way, State senators are very important.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: So don't take this wrong because state senators helped move
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: things in your local community. I'm just saying she is
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: a United State senator and you I watched you help
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: take her from county executive county executive to becoming a
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: senator and it was not easy.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: That was hard.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I remember you saying, I mean, you've done
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: the hard things. I think I was I was up
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: there in that group of hard things, hard things, but
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: you know, we are grateful for you. And I have
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: to say, while I'm much younger, and I know what
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: you mean when you say you're in relationship with people,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: because there's things I help to put you on too
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: and hip you to it. And we've had some back
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: and forth about issues that I hope that I helped
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: to enhance or you know, what you're understanding of different
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: issues and sort of change your opinion, which I don't
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: know if I did, but I tried. But I'm proud
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: of you, right like I am proud of you because
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: I know the struggles, the struggles of keeping the center
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: open through all the different administrations and people trying to
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: cut the funding and not getting the support you deserve.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: You know the convictions that you have that we have
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: shared that we decided we ain't gonna go turn against
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: our people no matter who tells us. We got to
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: denounce and call out and whatever, and we said no,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: we will handling on the inside.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: I really, really really do want to deal with that
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: for a second. That's one of the things I would love,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: if I had one wish that somebody would say, if
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: you could just have one thing that you could change
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: since you you know, we on the other side of everything.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: I would want my people to stop being afred to
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: love the people who love us. I want our people
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: to love a minister Lewis Farakon or Jesse Jackson or Maryon.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: There are anybody that the larger community says is no
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: good because they got another agenda. And we're walking around
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: whispering like it breaks my heart. And when you when
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: you when you turn on the television and you turn
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: on social media and you see these maga people.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: They don't care and they're dying by the way the
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: healthcares cut that the.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: Food benefits, food security is catch everything?
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: Is it? He does? He has one thing that that
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: they he hates who they hate God.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: They stay together.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: That's and we can't even bond in love.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: And that's the difference is that they come together under
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: hate and we not always right. There's things we've had
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: to correct self correct sometimes you can't correct it. But
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: we are bound bound by love and that's a very
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: different thing. But thank you, Corel masters Berry. I hope
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: you enjoyed this conversation.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: It wasn't as bad as I thought.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: All that stuff jewels.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: You dropped me that you put some jewels on it.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: Love you, Thank you for joining us on the TMO show.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: Is Barry, Thank you.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: Shut up to Mama core Man. She always she always
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: tells me something I didn't know. I'm always amazed by
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: her knowledge, her wisdom, just understanding the the history of
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: our people in the way she's just so articulate.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's very intelligent.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: Very very shocked. And what's crazy, I didn't know that
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: her mother ran for president four times and got her kids. Said, wow,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: she comes so she comes from a family of you know,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: education and just black excellence in black power.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she and you know, she always takes me back
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: to that. Like when we're talking. I spend hours, as
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: you know, in a day talking to her several times
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: a week.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: It used to be every day.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: It's funny because you always go to the well when
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: you're in trouble all the time. Then when things are
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: kind of coasting, then you don't speak as much then.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: So we've gone through several iterations of that, and at
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: the most intense times in my life and her life,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: by the.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: Way, because she's been through some things.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: We're on the phone, you know, five hours from six
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning, back and forth. I'll call you
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: right back, you know, going back and forth through different
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: things and strategizing, and one of the things that she
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: always does in the middle of a com it doesn't
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: matter what we're talking about. I could be telling her
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: about cell phones and how they work and whatever a
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: problem is with a cell phone tower, and she'll be like, well,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: you know, in nineteen seventy so and so, when they
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: started the blah blah blah and they started building the polls,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: we had an incident where, you know, she always takes
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: you back to the history, and I could be honest
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: in saying that there's a lot of things that I
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: don't know or didn't know until she started, you know,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: encouraging me to go back and pull certain books or
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: look certain things up, and then things made more sense,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: you know. And that's why she said that she heard
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: us talking while we were filming before she came on
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: about this idea that you could be engaged, you could
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: be civically engaged, you can be smart, you can have money,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: you can do all of that. But if you don't
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: really know history, then things become kind of disjointed and
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: they feel like one offs when they're actually a part
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: of a process.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: That's a fact. So so shout out to her for always,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: you know, enlightening us. And she brought some beautiful energy
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: to this.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, she does.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: She does.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: And she's more than eighty. I think she's eighty one, right,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: it has to be eighty one. So we were at
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: eightieth birthday party last year, so she's eighty one years old.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: She's moving around.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: She just came here from the Hamptons from an event
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: for the Apollo and some other event. One of her
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: good friends, Reggie Van Lee, is a major, major philanthropist,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: and you know, he still keeps up with Corls.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: That's his girl, that's right, you know.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: And and he's younger than her, older than us, but
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: younger than her, but nevertheless, he still he keeps up
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: with her. He keeps up with Susan Taylor, who used
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: to be editor in chief at Essence magazine, and she's
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: also older, but you know, nevertheless, or more seasoned, as
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: they would say, you know, he's there with them. And
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: that's what it's all about. Like we don't get to forget,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: we don't get to forget, we don't get to leave
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: our people behind.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Cora masses Berry.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: That's my girl, that's mama Core. That brings me to
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: my I don't get it this week. Last week, doctor
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: Fauci testified before Congress. You know, he was a questioned
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: about COVID nineteen and did he vaccination what he was
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: asked to testify and he pled the fifth over one
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: hundred times. There was a lot of back and forth.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: A lot of people felt like he was justified in
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: tweeting the fifth because they felt this was a witch
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: hunt and they were just trying to trip him up
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: in anything that he said, they were trying to use
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: to lock him up. Other people felt like he was
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: admitting guilt, you know. And for my I don't get
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: it this week is I've never been the biggest fan
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: of Fauci, you know, I questioned a lot of his
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: methods and tactics, a lot of things that he were
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: saying I didn't really agree with. I always thought that
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: COVID was something that we could build our natural immuniicism,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: but that was just my theory. I always felt that
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: people talked about the vaccine more than they actually talked
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: about being healthy, talked about you know, a lot of
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: methods that we could have used, like Elderberry's and all
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: the herbs and things, the natural herbs that we could
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: have used exercise in which I did during the pandemic,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: and a lot of people was critical of me because
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want to put some vaccine
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: into my body. So, you know, I've never been the
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: biggest fan of Fauti, But when I look at this
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: whole situation, you know the criticism he's receiving. Over a
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: million people lost their lives in the US, and you know,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: it was a serious thing, like they literally had morgues
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: outside of hospitals.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: Well not per RFK, because RFK said, oh, we're gonna.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: Get no reason.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: We're gonna get to RK.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: He eould say he said there was no reason to
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: separate people because the the what you call it, the
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: intensive key and all of that stuff was open.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know a lot of people worked in
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: hospitals who said that is one hundred percent a lot, right.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: You know, I know a lot of people who were
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: inside hospitals while they loved ones. But when it first started,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: she said that the emergency rooms was so packed to
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: the to the rim. So you know, he's another part
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: of this. I don't get it. But what I really
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: don't get is why people are mad at Fauci for
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: saying to social distance and to stay away because the
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: possibility is something might have happened, like we don't know
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: there's a new virus, and he was trying to figure
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: it out. I didn't agree with a lot of things
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: that he said. I wasn't, you know, one of the
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: main people saying anything about the vaccine. I just didn't
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: agree with the vaccine. But why aren't people critical that
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump was telling people to drink bleach?
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: They said Fauci had to be guilty because he pled
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: the fifth over one hundred times. But Donald Trump is
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: on record of pleading the fifth over four hundred.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: Times about sexual assault.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: Yes, but nobody it was his case, right.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, and he played he played guilty. I mean, he
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: played the fifth over four hundred times, and nobody's critical
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: about that.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: But you won't say nobody.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't, But I.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: Give you have to assign the people you're talking about
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: beause there's a lot of people who are critical.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, I just don't. I just didn't you talk.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: About those people who you know, are.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: Mag black maga and or not just black Maga Maga
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: or people who.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: People that I hear that I hear coming out that
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: are so angry with fauci like people that I normally
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: hear being silent about everything of coming out saying, oh,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: why would you have to, you know, plead the fifth
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: if you wasn't guilty? But I never heard none of
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: these people say anything about Trump pleading the fifth over
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: four hundred times. So I'm not saying nobody, but I
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: just don't understand why these people are so loud about
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: these things but so silent about other things. RFK has
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: literally told people to stop taking vaccinats and we watch
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: people have a measle outbreak that hasn't happened in years. Right,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: So no, and there's nobody having these conversations, right.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: So I hate when you say there's nobody having these conversations.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: And what I'm trying to say to figure out what
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: we call those people who are not having it?
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: Is it Donald Trump lovers?
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: But it's not even just I don't know if it's
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump lovers because I haven't seen them speak up
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: for Donald Trump. Oh right, So I bet I haven't
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: heard them say anything. That's what I'm trying to say.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: So if I haven't heard you say anything about anybody
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: and you've just been quiet, all of a sudden you
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: come out you said, I told y'all about Fauci. But
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: we have a president that's in the White House that
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: has done way more that people actually can see, and
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: y'all not critical of that. And this is the person
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: who is literally controlling the US right, and nobody says
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: nothing with Donald Trump awarded Fauci, like he literally gave
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: Fauci awards, but nobody is saying anything about that now. Fauci, Now,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: Fauci is the scapegoal for everything right. And we literally
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: have someone that's in charge of the MAHA movement that
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: is literally telling people shit that don't even make sense.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: RFK also said he was asked by Congresswoman Summer Lead
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: on camera at a hearing he was testifying before Congress,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: and she said to him, she gave him the data
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: on black maternal health and how many black women have
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: died during child birth and the challenges that black women
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: are facing while having children, and you know, she said,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: did you.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: Know these numbers?
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: Some of it he acknowledged, and she said, so what
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: is the plan for addressing black maternal health. And RFK said, well,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: you know, we're going to address all maternal issues.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: We're going to work with it.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: And she said, no, I know, but black people, black
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: women are experiencing specific issues and there is a rising
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: concern around black women not being able to take children
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: either to full term or even in labor. These things
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: are happening death basically, either the baby or the mother.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: And he said, well, you know again, we have to
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: address all communities. And she said, well, what about the
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: problem is with black women, not with these other communitians
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: And he said, that's DEI that's what he said on camera.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: I've said the state of this on the show before.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: Maybe this time, if somebody clips it, people will actually care.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: The fact that we have such levels incompetency in charge
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: of health like health is the most seriously. I don't
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: care much money you got, don't care much thing you got.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't have health, you don't have nothing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: And we have levels in competency in our health department.
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  Speaker 1: And let me say.
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  Speaker 3: To give my opinion. Do you want my opinion on
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  Speaker 3: the Fauci thing. Yes, my opinion is that I was
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  Speaker 3: having a conversation with an elected official in New York
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  Speaker 3: City who is trying to do and it was not
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  Speaker 3: mayor Mom, Donnie. It was another person who's really trying
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  Speaker 3: to do incredible work, transformative work. And I told you
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  Speaker 3: about this conversation, and they were bringing some frustrations to
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  Speaker 3: me about some of the challenges around breaking through the
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  Speaker 3: red tape and trying to get resources to the communities
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  Speaker 3: that really really needed. And you know, they were giving
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  Speaker 3: me a whole thing, and I said, we think sometimes
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  Speaker 3: because it's new people a new day, new time, knew whatever,
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  Speaker 3: or we like the way a person looks, and like
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: a Mamdannie, we're all into oh, Mamdannie, go go. We're
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  Speaker 3: cheering him on that it has changed inherently racist systems. Now,
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  Speaker 3: you have to fight every day if that's what you're
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  Speaker 3: going to be. That's why you can't just be against racism.
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  Speaker 3: You have to be anti racist, meaning that you are
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  Speaker 3: working every single day to fight racism.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: That takes boots on the ground, fee to the pavement.
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  Speaker 3: But we are inherently racist, inherently corrupt systems.
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  Speaker 1: And Fauci was.
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  Speaker 3: Operating in that we can't sit up here and act
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  Speaker 3: like you know, something because I know people who are like,
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  Speaker 3: I love Fauci. I love yeah, because he was cute
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  Speaker 3: and cool and funny on TV, and he you know,
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  Speaker 3: he was Fauci.
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  Speaker 4: He's a Fauci man.
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  Speaker 1: But that does not mean that he's.
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  Speaker 3: Not operating with a system that has historically disenfranchised Americans,
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  Speaker 3: not just black but all people.
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  Speaker 1: So I would not doubt you.
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  Speaker 3: I would put my life savings on the fact that
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  Speaker 3: if he stated all the clarity around everything, and he
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  Speaker 3: didn't plead the fifth and we had all the documents
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  Speaker 3: and everything, like we could be there like a bubble
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  Speaker 3: or like a little the glass ball where we could
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  Speaker 3: see it exactly as it happened and no human can
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  Speaker 3: change it, that there would be plenty of things that
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  Speaker 3: we would disagree with and we would say, not only
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  Speaker 3: is this wrong, but like, you know it's wrong, and
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  Speaker 3: still y'all are telling us this.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we're.
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  Speaker 3: That's the facts that And I would say that about Obama,
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  Speaker 3: I would say that about whatever, because that the system
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  Speaker 3: is inherently, inherently corrupt and problematic and challenged in all
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  Speaker 3: the things. But I do not believe that Fauci went
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  Speaker 3: to work every day and said let me go help
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  Speaker 3: kill people and just lie and lie like these people do.
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  Speaker 4: That's in their administration right now.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't say I believe that. I believe that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there was a play involved. I think when
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  Speaker 2: you look at the pharmaceutical companies, you know, and you
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  Speaker 2: talk about vaccinations, you know, people made billions of dollars
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: and off ski tactics, right, And I think that there
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: were a lot of different methods that could have been
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  Speaker 2: used other than that. I don't know about the social distancing,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: because I'm not really.
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  Speaker 3: Mad about to that. Yeah, because your mother was back
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  Speaker 3: from me, you didn't want nobody around, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know if I'm mad that they took precautions,
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: you know, to separate, you know, especially when you you
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: had a new virus that nobody knew exactly what was happening.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: So I used to wear his mask across his nose
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: and the top of his lip.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: That was where your mask used to be on your nose.
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  Speaker 2: And because I was I wasn't with it. I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: really with it, you know. I did what I had
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: to do throughout the time, but I was never with it.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: And I worked out, you know, we had our own
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: little workout on Instagram. Shout out to the whole teenager
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: to come out every day. I was every day, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And we had our workout and
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: we made sure that we ate properly. We made sure
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: that we had the right you know, nutrients in our bodies,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: and we did things that was going to make a
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: healthy so that our immune system could fight against anybody.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: You know. But I just think when I'm looking at it,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: even though, like I said, I'm not the biggest Fauci fan,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: but I'm just looking like, how does he become the
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: skategoat for everything, right, especially when we got administration right
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: now that's literally telling us shit that doesn't make sense.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: And even in that time when when Trump was the president,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: because Trump was the president, when when it first happened
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: and he was telling people literally to drink bleach.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: The bleach thing is bad. That's bad.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: He was thrown when he was throwing and people, and.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: That's terrible.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: But hopefully hopefully more people, I'm sure more people had
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: did good sense than to listen to him. With some people,
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: what is actually criminal and what we should be talking about,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: which has nothing to do with Fauci or Biden or
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: anybody else. It is squarely on the Trump administration is
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: the fact that they knew there was a virus and
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: didn't tell anybody, Right, That's the real crime is in
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: them having months in advance knowledge that a serious virus
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: was moving around. Because if you remember, you just go
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: back and check the record. It was like December. I'm
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: sure it was December we found out about this virus.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: At least we were starting to hear about it in February,
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: and then in March everything shuts down. But in December,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: I believe the first person in California look that up
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: janis I believe it was a woman in California was
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: the first person in the United States who tested positive,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: and then it was somebody else. I think it was
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: two people in December, maybe one in December, one in January,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: and they knew it and didn't.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: Do anything to try to address it.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: And by the way, I am convinced that they know
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: about stuff that's going on right now. I haven't told us,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: and I'm not saying that other administrations have not done
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: the same, but I am saying that with a million
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: people dead and December, I believe I remember hearing something,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: but let's just go with January. This was going on
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: from then that they knew something was happening and that
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: it was an outbreak.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: They knew it, and.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: They did not tell us anything until March, okay, or
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: they didn't shut anything down until March, which I do
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: believe that the shutdown was necessary. And the reason why
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: I think it was necessary is because I know of
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: entire families that died. See your position and where you
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: and I had many knockdown, drag out fights and arguments
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: around this whole being healthy, eating your vitamins and vegetables,
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: or taking your vitamins and eating your vegetables and doing
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: all of that.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: Is that the.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: Problem with that concept is if you were already pretty
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: much healthy, you were already into vitamin and all of that.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: The way that we were.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: We're even healthier now than we were back then, but
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: the way that we were at that time, and you
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: already had the head start of being that way.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: It's easy to.
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  Speaker 3: Say, just shore up your immune system, make sure that
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: you're taking your vitamins. But the virus was traveling rapidly
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: with people who had never had vitamins, don't even.
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  Speaker 2: Have That's what I'm saying, and that's what I'm saying.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: There was obesity.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. And what I
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: kept telling people, if you are in good health, if
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: you do not have.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: Preexistence, you shouldn't have to take them.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: You shouldn't.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: You should be building up your immune system because our
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: immune system is built to fight all viruses, and as
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: long as it's inside the universe and it's moving around,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: you getting a little piece and your body is creating
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: anybody's and that's what happens, and that's how we survived,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: you know. And I just didn't believe that we should
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: be telling perfectly healthy people to put vaccines anybody that
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: didn't know how their body was going to react to them.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: I never agreed with forcing people to take a vaccine.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: I never agree that. I never agree with it.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: But it also was the type of situation you have
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: to pick your battles in this country. A lot of
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: people I remember one young lady having a Holy town
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: damn fit because she wanted us to take on the
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: fight against the government and the COVID nineteen stuff and
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: the vaccines, and she was pissed with us that we
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: were not on that issue. Meanwhile, were dealing with police accountability.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: We're fighting for Breonna Taylor.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: Joe, we got all these other things going on, and
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: she was pissed off that we would not get into that.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: And the thing is that there are people who have
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: scientific knowledge and understanding who are better suited to become
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: engaged over here when you got all this other stuff
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: like we would ever have bought. Even though Breonna Taylor's
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: family still has not received full justice, we still made
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: it all the way to where people had to go
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: before courts and take immunity and everything.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: And the truth is out there. We know the truth,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: and it was it was work.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: That wasn't just you know, And if we had been
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: out there talking about were fighting against the vaccine, we
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: would have never been able to complete that process, which
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: is still not complete. But to get through that, because
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: they would have they would have marginalized us, like they
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 3: would have silenced our voices.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: We're already in enough fights as it damn.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: Is, and we were and we weren't knowledgeable enough to
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: tell somebody that we just fighting.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: Against it, and we didn't even know if that wasn't.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: Exactly I just I was just going off common sense
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: that I had and I wasn't. I wasn't advised to
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: anybody what to do. I'm saying what I was doing
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: for me, And if you believed in what I was doing,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: then come on, I'm not telling you. If you felt
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: like you need to take a vaccine for you and
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: that made you feel comfortable, fine, I'm just saying I
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: wasn't doing it because I didn't believe that my body
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: wasn't strong enough to fight off any virus that they
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: put into the universe.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: Well, there's that.
• 1:56:14
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