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Jay Campbell, Five-Time International Best Selling Author, Speaker and long time biohacker · Ageless and Timeless Podcast®

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Good morning everyone. This is Michelle Hughes from Ageless and Timeless. Well,
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this is our series with Jay Campbell. I think everybody knows him by now.
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If you haven't seen him on my podcast, you certainly see him in
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many other podcasts and on his own and well all over Instagram. I can't
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turn on Instagram without seeing Jay. But anyway, Jay, welcome back.
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This is our third third in the series, two on mine and one on
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yours. Now next is my turn on yours and can't wait to do that
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with you again. But I think we decided last time that we were going
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to go through a number of different subjects, but so much has happened in
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the two and a half months since you were on my podcast. So let
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me just summarize for everybody that's watching today that you know, if you don't
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know Jay Campbell in his prolific ability to write the most amazing books, then
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you are going to have a treat today because whether you do or you don't
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know that Jay is probably one of the most well uh what do you what
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do you call it? Researched authors? He he spends I don't know how
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he does it, really, Jay, I really know how how do you
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do you even sleep at night? But I do a lot of it is
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my team. I have two amazing copywriters that I've trained personally coached and trained
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you know, with my information for seven years now, so they help with
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it. But I do have I do struggle sometimes with being a good dad
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and a good husband. Thankfully, I have a really good wife that allows
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me to do the work that I do. Right, His wife is Monica,
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and his daughter is Alex. Right, I have three. Actually,
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Alex and Gabby are my biologicals and then my bonus daughter is Alana, who
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just won the Division two national championship at Point Loma for soccer, and she
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was actually a second team All American. So she's returning next year for her
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fifth year and her entire team return so they're expected to repeat as Division two
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national championships for women's soccer in Point Loma in San Diego. So shout out
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to Alana. Yeah, thanks for telling us that. So she's not your
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biological daughter, but she's taking after her non biological that's right. We always
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like to say she's my spiritual daughter. And then my biological daughter, Gabriella,
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which is our youngest, is my Monica's spiritual daughter. So you know,
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when you start getting into souls and you start really looking at like how
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much people are similar, it is very interesting. Well, I wanted everyone
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to know that first of all, that you have written the Bible on testosterone,
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and if people haven't read that, at least look at the monarch notes
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of it, because it's how many, six hundred and thirty pages or something,
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six hundred and thirty pages and like eleven hundred scientific references. Yeah,
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and that was one of your first efforts in this whole wellness world when you
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left the real estate and corporate just like me, we have a very similar
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background, and we've talked about that before. But at any rate, that
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was the Bible has become the Bible and still today after what fifteen years day?
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Yeah, I mean that's well, so the first book was the first
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book is now ten years in the second book, which is the Bible is
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wow eight now oh eight okay? So eight and ten okay? So in
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between then, just for everybody's awareness, if you want to really read all
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of Jay's works, go ahead and tell us the history of all the chronological
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history of all the other books and what they do. So for sure that
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The Definitives Our Team Manual was the first book, and it is still doing
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actually really well on Amazon, which is hilarious in the international communities because I
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think it's a little bit more basic than The Bible, which came out three
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years later. But in between those two books, I also wrote The Metabolic
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Blowtworts Diet, which is, according to Amazon, the third highest sold or
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rated book on fasting. And then I wrote The Bible in two seventeen,
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and then we were the next The next three books were Guaranteed Shredded, the
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Optimizer Health, Therapeutic Peptides, and I'm missing one right now. It's escaping
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me. And then the most recent book, which came out in September of
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last year, is Thirty Days to Shreds, and that book, along with
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Optimizer Health with Therapeutic cup Tides, are definitely the two most I would say
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cutting edge at least in the marketplace right now, and like really teaching people
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how to use therapeutic peptides, you know, to get into the best shape
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possible, right and Thirty Days to Shreds was like taking the really super advanced
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peptides like GLP one agonists and constructing a lifestyle dietarily that was built around using
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those products to you know, get into the best shape possible. And it's
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obviously, as you know, it's written for newbies, so you know,
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people who are metabolically deranged all the way to superstar rock Star. You know,
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male and female fitness competitors that want to go from like you know,
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twelve percent body fat to five percent body fat. That's just amazing. I
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okay, So you sent me the links and I started to read last night.
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I had hoped I would get it earlier, but the life takes its
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twists and turns, so and I thought, oh, I'll never get to
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read all of this before the podcast. However, I would fill in the
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blanks by asking a lot of questions about it. So anyway, I read
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the first couple of chapters. So here here are some questions that came up
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just in those two chapters. One, since you have written other books on
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similar subjects of fat law, and also, you know, just just overall,
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as you say, it's shredding, why did you write this book?
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What is different in this book that wasn't in the last two books. Yeah,
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it's a great question, you know. Truthfully, I really didn't want
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to write another book on fat loss because I feel like it's a dead horse
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and it's been beaten to death by so many different people. But so much
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has changed, Michelle in the last three years. You know, when I
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say it's interesting, right because what I need, I almost have to take
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a step back when I say so much has changed. So much has changed
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for our audiences, but not for the world, right, because even though
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we understand these amazing products like GLP one agonist drugs, it's still literally less
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than six percent of the planet is even exposed to these things. Peptize is
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ten percent. Yeah, right, So like these are so novel and so
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far out in advance of like the average person. I mean, and again,
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you know, to put it in perspective, I've been using therapeutic peptides
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myself since two thousand and four, I think, yeah, so for twenty
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years, and it kind of boggles my mind too, but you know,
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to think that still it's so far out in advance. But the reason that
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I answered question, the reason I wrote the book was I wanted to have
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a final book on fat loss that was basically, like, you know,
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everything I've learned in my twenty five years is a you know, super advanced
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biohacker, but compiled in a way that a basic newbie who had no understanding
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of fat loss, who had no understanding of peptides, who had no understanding
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of literally anything, but wanted to like get on the fast track, you
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know, relative to their level of experience, could have. Because my previous
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two books were more for I won't say advanced, but just more for people
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that understood what fasting was. And so I finally wanted to like have this
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compendium book that said, hey, it doesn't matter who you are, where
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you're at in your life from a fitness level, you can buy this book,
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can pick up where you're at and apply it from there. Right,
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So you could literally use none of the amazing things that we'll probably talk about
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on this podcast and we have on previous podcasts and still get results. And
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so that's why I wrote the book. Yes, and I noticed that to
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that point, you have three categories of or levels of ability to embrace the
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book. So there's a beginner level and advanced level, and then the how
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do you say the optimized and I won't tell you what that means, but
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I think everybody can figure it out anyway. So yeah, So that's even
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that was even exciting to see because nobody is left out. And I saw
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the forward by Jason, you're a CEO of Tera and have put it been
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a beginner right because he was completely out of shape and he looked at him
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today. So anyone who gets the book or look it up, look Jason
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and Horwitz, right, ye, I think, exactly up and you'll see
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the just how that's a great testimony of just how this book has and how
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Jay himself has influenced so many people in their quest to be the best version
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of themselves. So I was trying to figure out what level I was at,
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and I guess I decided I'm advanced. I'm not beginning but not and
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I'm not the f and optimized yet I think I think just so you know,
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you know, to better say that, you know, because you know,
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obviously fully optimized. Get fully optimized is kind of my catchphrase, and
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so they wanted to incorporate that my editing team and my editorial team. But
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it really is for people that are competitors, right, so they're like super
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lean. They pretty much know all the drugs and all the supplements and all
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that. But it's kind of like Okay, I can do this in thirty
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days, and I can take myself from twelve percent to six percent or ten
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percent to seven percent body fat, you know, a woman fifteen to twelve
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or something like that. So that's kind of what that really is. But
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yeah, it's obviously super advanced. Yeah, and then so the in body
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discount. Well, so let me tell you about embody. This will make
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you feel better. So so I'm super lean right now. Like if I
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took my shirt off, I have full six pack abs. And I went
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and did this on Saturday in Miami at the AMMG Medical Conference, and I
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am according to this, you know, with all shoes on. Really you
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know, just I had a T shirt and shorts. I was two hundred
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and four pounds, two hundred and four pounds. Now when I had this
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in December, same as you. When I was there, I was two
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hundred and fourteen pounds. So I was ten pounds heavier. I was not
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as lean, uh And I tested at eight point nine percent. Now when
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I did this shredded, I tested it at eleven percent. Oh wow,
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I can assure you. And I even had not an argument, but a
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conversation with the guy. Yeah, you know, he didn't know who I
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was, and he didn't know how smart I was, and so by the
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end I had him all tongue tied and twisted, but he basically admitted that
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it's a five percent error, Marge. So here's the thing. The truth
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is I was probably six or seven percent body fat on that measurement, and
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it measured me at eleven. And the reason that these and these are the
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inbodies are what are called bio impedical or bioimpedical electrics, and so basically it's
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measuring the electrical conductivity of your body when it measures your actual body composition.
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So here's the problem. If you do it any other time than first thing
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in the morning, when you're dehydrated, it can absolutely throw it and skew
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it. And when I measured, I measured it at twelve thirty in the
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afternoon, and I had already drank probably at least two liters of water by
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then. Yeah, so that threw my body composition off. And I mean,
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I you know, I had that conversation with him. I said,
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hey, bro, this is wrong because I'm leaner than when I measured this,
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and by the way, I carry it with me on my phone.
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So I shared him with my December data, with that data, and he
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was just admitted to me. He's like, well, there's a five percent
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error margin. You know. I even like lifted up my shirt. He
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looked at me. He was like, you're like ripped, and I'm like,
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yeah, I've been doing this a long time, so your stuff is
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wrong, right, So like there's a five percent error margin. And again
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depending on what time of the day when I did it, when I did
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it with you at the same time you did it in December. I did
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it in the morning in fact, Monaic and I just got to the seminar
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and we were both fasted and I hadn't done I brushed my teeth. Not
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the seminar, but the vendor show or whatever it's called, the expo he
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existed. I was like one of the first places I went, and so
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again I was dehydrated. I was first thing in the morning. I had
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already gone to the bathroom too, and I tested like eight point nine,
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and again I was ten pounds heavier, and I wasn't nearly as lean like
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if I would have measured eleven percent then yeah, and I was like,
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okay, that's probably about right. But I tested eight point nine and I
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was like, oh, that's interesting. I'm maintaining my leanness. So the
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bottom line is it's a five percent air margin, and I would assume that
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mine was at the higher end of this one. Okay. Yeah, I
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went in December. It was at midday. I had already had some a
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few snacks, you know, like fruit, and so you're probably you're probably
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sixteen or seventeen percent, which is really elite for a woman. Okay,
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that's really good. You've made my day because I was a little down about
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it, honestly because I know that you know how hard yeah, absolutely,
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how hard we all work to keep. But I need to look at doing
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your program because all of us do, and no matter where we are,
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because it will not only if you're already ripped like you and Monica and that
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picture, the before picture, and I thought to myself, they don't need
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to do this program. But then I saw the picture and I said,
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well, this is like going from good to best, right, that's exactly
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right. It's going from healthy to not healthy. Because that's the thing is
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like when you're super ripped, you're not healthy. I mean, I'm sorry,
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I mean you look great for a picture and a magazine, but your
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body is not, like you know, in the best place. And I
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only get this lean twice a year, and it's always around either a photography
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thing or a seminar that I'm going to, not a a seminar but like
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a retreat where I'm speaking and I'm going to be hanging out with people and
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competing and doing stuff. We're going to have our shirts off stuff. And
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so I just want to look and feel like Jay Campbell should look and feel.
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But I'll tell you another thing that's important probably about this, and it's
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good, you know, for your audience to know, is this is what
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you know somebody that works at SECA. So there's three different companies, right,
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there's Dexa inbody in SICCA, and they measure people's body compositions at medical
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or a medical seminars. And the truth is, Michelle, is that we
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are becoming such an outlayer meaning lean people that all of the math that they
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use, so the standard mean deviation in the you know, formulations that they
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get from the average person that does inbody SEKA and Dexa is obese. Yeah,
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so the levels are skewing higher and higher to accumulate the top and the
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bottom of the means. So when you're an avorant person like people like us
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who are lean, it's going to skew higher. Yeah, that's why I
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tell people that Dexa, all of these things right now are pretty much useless.
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The only way you're going to actually get an accurate body composition measurement right
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now is to do a bod pod, which is when they dunk you in
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the tank, or to have somebody who has intelligence, and there aren't a
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lot of those people left that knows how to actually do eleven site skinfold,
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you know, with a Scandex caliber one hundred dollars expensive caliber. Yeah.
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The caliber is how I did it a long time ago. And you can't
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even use the cheap calibers they sell on Amazon right now because they're plastic and
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they're shit. They're spring loaded, they don't even work correct. Yeah.
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I did it at Canyon Ranch or what was a Canyon Rancher, one of
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those you know, they had the caliber. Yeah, they had the scan
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dex it's one hundred dollars device. It's it's literally steel. It's made of
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surgical precise steel and it measures it to within like a precise millimeter. Yeah
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so, but that would be one that people should request if they have accessibility
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to that. That they have so they have next year at a form if
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you stay at the Venetian, they have on site at the gym, they
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do a bod pod right there on the site. I wanted to do it
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because I wanted to compare embody that they had like a five day waiting list.
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I was like, oh, I'm not going to be here. Oh
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wow, that's amazing. That's something to think about next year when you go
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back, or this year when you go back in December, is call the
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Venetians Physical whatever their gym is. I think it's Canyon Ranch, Yeah yeah,
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and and make an appointment with the exercise physiologist there. They charge forty
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bucks. It's worth it, and get a bod pod done. Okay,
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I'm going for I'm going to put that down and anybody who's listening, who's
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in the medical field, and it's going to be at a four m.
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That's a really good tip because most people do stay at the Venetian because that's
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where the convention is held. So good to know all that, Jay,
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thank you, thank you well. One thing that you know, I wanted
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to address because you didn't mention the semi blue tides and the gop one they
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you know these for most who don't know what those terms mean. These are
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the ozempic, the man jovi, the w goovi. These have revolutionized in
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the last couple of years, the whole weight loss industry, and to some
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people's despair, because let's face it, the food industry doesn't get as many
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people buying as much weight weight watches lost Oprah and also now they're embracing this
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because they recognized that they were losing customers because of the fact that they weren't
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endorsing uh. And of course, you know, hopefully diabetics the diabetes world,
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hopefully the obesity rate goes down so much. So let's just say,
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okay, these were meant for diabetics and and and they have become the darling
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of the weight loss of people who and we've seen the results be so dramatic
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with people like Oprah and others, so so tell us how that those people
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would fit in to your categories, because let's face it, muscle loss is
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one of the biggest side effects of taking those those drugs. So can you
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pigeonhole for people who are on those drugs or want to be on them,
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or are considering whether it's a good or a bad thing, Like you know,
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my doctor wouldn't let me. She just said, no, way,
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have too much good muscle and why would you want to play with that?
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And you don't, Okay, so I'm going to have to correct you.
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So the muscle loss is not an actual effect. It's an effect, yes,
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and it's noticeable, but it's only in people who don't know what they're
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doing. And if you take eighty percent of the physicians prescribing golp one agonists,
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that's that they don't know what they're doing. Okay. Now what I
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mean by that to clarify is, if you use a gop one agonist and
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you do it correctly within the context of health and longevity, you must increase
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your protein consumption, yes, and and you must do resistant slash bone bearing
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training against eighty percent of the physicians who prescribe these drugs for obese, metabolgically
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deranged, and insulin resistant people do not teach them to do those things right.
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So what happens and let's go through this is these people get on these
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drugs, as you said very accurately, they are profound, they are revolutionary
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agents. They shut down their appetite. Yes, these people stop eating and
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being fat, insulin resistant, metabolically deranged. They see the weight fall off
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and they get so excited. Yeah, they're like, oh my god,
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this is the greatest thing ever. And somebody smart like you or I will
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be like, okay, but are you eating enough protein where you're doing training?
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They are not doing either of those two things, but they don't care
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because they see the scale wave drop. But as you know, what goes
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up must come down. They're damaging their thyroid. Of course, their body
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is now going to catabolize muscle tissue because as you stop eating, what does
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the body do. The body literally goes and eats muscle to conserve and create
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energy. Right, So that's what's happening to these people. When all of
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this can be avoided, and that's what I write about in the book.
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We teach people how to use these agents within the context of getting super lean
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and not losing an ounce of muscle. Okay, so that's what we teach
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them. Okay, good to know this everybody if you buy this book,
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that this is going to teach you. Okay, I'm so glad to know
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this day. So all right, well let's go through that then. So
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let's just say somebody's on these drugs and they want to make sure they don't
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lose muscle, because first I thought, when they start losing the weight,
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they're robbing fat, right, I mean the glycogen, isn't that the first
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step? And then the second step is losing muscle or so, I mean
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it depends obviously on their nutritional strategy when they're doing the drugs. But for
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the average person who does wrong, who does this wrong and loses muscle,
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uh, they're just not eating. They don't have a nutritional strategy. These
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are people who are obese and metabolically deranged, who cannot control their appetite.
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They have a who knows what kind of stuff going on in their microbiome.
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They're they're they're dysbiotic, so they've got you know, pathogens and candida and
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yeast and god knows what growing down there. So these are people that are
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literally just non stop eating. So they start taking these drugs, it shuts
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down their appetite. They're not eating at all. So in a situation like
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that, the body is gonna first obviously tear through all the muscle glycogen,
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which they don't have much anyway, because most of them are untrained and don't
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exercise, and then the body is going to actually go for muscle at the
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same time that it's going to go for fat, and usually it's going to
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go through carbs are protein first because the fat is obviously a nine you know,
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milligram per molecule. So again from a units of exchange or energy,
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fat is let the least one, the last one to go. They're gonna
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it's gonna go to burn carbohydrates and protein first, and so that's what ends
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up happening is they start having their muscle catabolized. So the muscle, the
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active lean muscle tissue that these people have, which by the way, isn't
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much anyway because they're inactive, it's just instantly attacked, and then you know,
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the last thing to go is fat. Now, the other issue is
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a lot of these people stop eating completely. You know, well they'll literally
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just not eat, they'll forget to eat because they obviously the drug is so
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powerful, and they start having bone mineral density issues, they're thyroid malfunctions.
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They crash their thyroid, so then they become just a disaster, right like
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it literally is a just a they're a metabolic emergency because they've crashed their thyroid
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hormone. They've crashed their muscle tissue, the or their active muscle tissue,
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and now they're just a mess. And so you see these people, they'll
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lose sixty pounds and gain one hundred pounds back because when they come off the
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drug, they're so metabolically messed up that everything is going haywire. So it
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does not help them to create HomeOS stasis in the body because they are basically
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robbing Peter to pay pop exactly. Whereas if if if they were on you
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know, and this is you know, talking about the book, if they
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were working with a physician that had their hormones optimized, and you know,
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that's a big criterion that we have to bring in. When you're not hormonally
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optimized and you start these drugs, uh, you're already on a cycle of
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you know, a path of no return, because again, how can you
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if you know, knowing what we just talked about that guests they'll cause muscle
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tissue loss or they'll cause muscle tissue degradation. That's not going to happen if
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you're taking therapeutic to soscerone or estradiol or progesterone, right, because that's going
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to already put your body in a balanced, slash optimal environment to maintain muscle,
25:48
to maintain metabolic active tissue. So that's not going to happen if somebody
25:52
is hormonally optimized. And then to combine that, uh, you know,
25:56
throw in a g h agonist peptide or even human growth hormone itself, and
26:02
those things are going to work to offset you know, any potential active you
26:07
know, protein tissue or metabolic skeletal mass that would be burned up from the
26:14
GLP one. Okay, so tell everybody because you just mentioned them about these
26:21
peptides and hormones. Well, first let's talk about the hormone the basic how
26:26
do they test them? How do they find a doctor who will even ask
26:30
them about their hormones? Because as you and I both know, most doctors
26:33
don't even there. They just don't even think the hormones are your super highway
26:40
of your body. But yet doctors don't test for your hormones. Now you
26:44
and I you know, both know that these are probably the first test that
26:48
you should ever take is how balanced are your hormones? So everybody who's listening,
26:52
please make a note of this. When you go to your doctor,
26:56
whether it's an allopathic or a functional integrative preventative medicine doctor, be sure to
27:03
tell them you want your hormones tested. And that's usually the first step is
27:07
a blood test. I mean, there are other means, but Jay,
27:11
will you know you can address that, but the blood test will tell you,
27:17
you know, the first first step. Okay, So those hormones are
27:21
go ahead and list them, Jay. So so for men, it's testoscone
27:26
and sensitive estradile or LCMS sensitive estradyl, And honestly, you really don't have
27:30
to understand as much your estradyl as you do your free testoscerone and your total
27:34
testoscerone. But with women it's free testosterone, total test oscerone, estradil,
27:40
and of course progesterone. So those are the primary hormones that we really want
27:45
to measure. There's other things, you know, there's obviously precursor pathways like
27:48
bregninolone and SDHA and you know, different things. But for the most part
27:52
for people that are watching this podcast or watching this video at whatever time they
27:56
do. You got to get a baseline understand of what your hormones are doing.
28:00
And you know, you don't have to necessarily go to your doctor or
28:03
trust your doctor rely on your doctor. If you want to just get a
28:07
baseline, you can go to like a private empty labs, of discounted labs
28:10
and direct labs, any of those companies, and you can literally choose male
28:14
or female adult hormone profile or pare so life Life Attention also has life Extension.
28:21
There's so many different companies right now that will do this for you,
28:23
and they're very, you know, relatively low cost. I literally just had
28:26
my lab panels done this morning, right and I did it. I did
28:30
like a not a complete diagnostic, because I did a complete diagnostic in early
28:34
January of this year. But I went and looked at a couple of biomarkers
28:37
that I'm looking at just because of the things I'm doing right now. And
28:41
it cost me sixty nine dollars and I went to Quest, you know,
28:44
and I printed it out. I didn't even print it out anymore now it
28:47
just comes on your phone. And I did the whole thing in fifteen minutes.
28:49
So all of that is obviously available to you. But that is the
28:52
first step. Before using a golp one, before using a therapeutic peptide,
28:59
before you using really anything, you have to understand whether or not you're functioning
29:03
with a hormone deficiency. And Michelle, you know I just did a podcast
29:06
before you, I would say, and again this is my personal opinion,
29:11
but the environment is so contaminated at this point. If you live in a
29:15
first world population center a city, the likelihood if you are over the age
29:21
of thirty that you have hormone hormonal deficiencies is about eighty percent. That's how
29:26
bad it is. But again, most people do not know this. Most
29:30
people are not getting checked. They can't ask their general practitioner, or they're
29:34
allopathic. I like how you call allopathic doctor, because they're not schooled in
29:40
understanding hormone deficiencies. They're school in giving you drugs to treat symptoms. They're
29:45
not looking for the underlying fundamental root cause of what it is that ails you.
29:48
And ninety times, you know, nine times out of ten or eight
29:51
times out of ten, it's a hormone deficiency. So but you didn't mention
29:55
thyroid or DHA Are those not important? To add to it? Is critically
30:00
important thyroid is you know? So again, if we're gonna look at like
30:03
the whole overall picture, we have a triumvirate, right, we have the
30:07
endocrine system, which is again tesosterhone, estrogen, progesterone or estradiol. We
30:11
also have insulin, right, we have the pancreas, right, so how
30:15
insulin resistant is someoney? How much visceral body fat? How much inflammation do
30:19
they have? And then we of course have the thyroid, which is the
30:22
master temperature gland or regulator. Right, So we have to understand like all
30:29
three of those things, like how deficient or suboptimal am I in all three
30:33
of those things to truly optimize your health. Yeah, and even your cortisol
30:37
or your DHTA, which you know obviously that is connected to the cortisol levels
30:44
too, so that it's it's a sex hormone, right, it's a dh
30:47
all part of the endocrine system. But all that stuff is going to come
30:51
if you're working obviously with a physician or you if you're not working with physician
30:55
and you choose a male or female hormone panel, all that stuff will come
30:57
with it with it. So when you went today, who did you use?
31:03
Private empty lab? So I have a big corporate you know, global
31:07
sponsorship with private MPT Labs and I you know, get like a twenty percent
31:10
discount off and anyone can go there. And I've actually they've actually even created
31:14
tests for me specifically. There's like a basic test, an advanced test,
31:18
and an Elite test, you know, depending on what you want and you
31:21
know where you are as a biohacker. I always tell people, if you're
31:25
advanced, you have to choose either advanced or elite. And I actually reworked
31:29
my elite test in November of last year, or to include a lot of
31:32
particle uh and you know APO and like you know, really looking at a
31:37
deep dive of lipids to understand like what your heart heart attack or your vascular
31:41
system risks are as you get older. So it just depends, you know,
31:45
I think they're they're constantly changing the prices, but I mean it's anywhere
31:48
from like a three hundred dollars test to a fifteen hundred dollar test. Yeah,
31:52
you know the at DA four M. There are so many ways to
31:57
measure your heart. Let's just jump to the heart for a moment, because
32:00
you brought it up. That are not your typical lipid approach, which is
32:06
you know, we both know the cholesterol is always the darling of the allopathic
32:12
or the pharmaceutical industry because they want to tell you on taking stats. If
32:22
you just, you know, for a moment, don't think about taking a
32:24
stat and just think about what is your ratio, and what is your size
32:30
of your particles, and what is your arterial stiffness? So those three things
32:37
are far more accurate to measure your heart's condition then whether your cholesterol is two
32:44
hundred or two thirteen. And where people get sideways, they think this is
32:49
the only measurement is what is my cholesterol. Everybody says that what is my
32:53
cholesterol level? And if it's and the pharmaceutical industry has convinced us that if
32:58
it's over two hundred, you need to take a statin, even kids they're
33:02
doing that. I could make a very cogent argument, which I won't because
33:07
I've written prolifically about statins on my website. But cholesterol is actually a meaningless
33:12
number. You know, The things that you said are far more important you're
33:17
you're inflammatory markers are far better guardians or you know, biomarker agents to understand,
33:24
like what is your endothelial function levels? Like how sensitive are the tissues
33:30
in your body based on your lifestyle? So I mean like you know homeocysteine
33:35
levels see reactive protein trichlyss rides. You know your levels, your active levels
33:42
of HDL, your active levels of l d L. You know, these
33:45
things are far more important than this looking at your cholesterol number. And as
33:50
as you know, there are a lot of people that genetically or indigenously have
33:54
super high levels of cholesterol, but that's just from where they come from,
33:58
and they have no you know, indicative corresponding markers of poor health. Look
34:04
at level of a high level of cholesterol and think that it means anything.
34:08
And you are also right too that two hundred is like the silly level of
34:13
like all your over two hundred, we got to put you on a statin.
34:15
It's insane. It's insane. Yeah. And also if people need to
34:19
know that cholesterol is really important to the body, it's just that it has
34:22
to be the right kind. So if you have two low density lipoproteins,
34:27
that means you're cholesterol sticky and and your particles are too big and that could
34:31
block your arteries. But if your HDL and high density lipoproteins are are high
34:38
or or beneficial, let's say whatever. You know, that number I think
34:44
is over sixty. That means that you're protective, so you might have That's
34:51
why I said the ratio, because the ratio is really important of HDL to
34:54
LDO and the other two homo systems. The other three you engine are also
35:00
critical. So we've gotten off with from the weight lot from the fat loss.
35:05
But you know what whether we're talking about is critical to fat loss because
35:10
people who are obese tend to have more inflammation, more heart conditions, obviously
35:15
diabetes, so all these things that you know, this is where people have
35:20
to recognize the body is a miracle and it's but everything is interrelated, and
35:25
so if one thing happens, like let's take the gut microbiome you mentioned that
35:29
earlier. You know, most heavy obese people have just a terrible microbiome that's
35:36
infecting everything, their brain, their energy, So all of this is interrelated.
35:42
So this is really important to know that your body is a miracle.
35:45
You need to honor it. It's like a temple. Your body is your
35:50
temple, and you need to bow down at that temple and respect it because
35:54
it doesn't make an amazing number of adjustments for you. However, if you
36:00
mistreat it, it's going to rebel and you know it isn't fool proof.
36:06
So so that's I think. I'm glad we kind of got off the subject.
36:10
So let's go back to the book. Take us through. Let's just
36:15
let's go to the advance instead of the beginner or the fully optized, only
36:20
because I think more of our viewers because we are on Muscle and Fitness as
36:24
one of the major sites that you know, our podcast is featured on,
36:30
so we have a cohort that is going to tend to be more of the
36:35
advance. So if you could just take that that category and just give us
36:38
like one, to give us the steps and just tell us a little bit
36:43
more than you know, if somebody hasn't read the book, like most of
36:47
our people right now probably have not, but they're going to after this podcast,
36:52
So take us through it, okay, using the Yeah, so advance
36:58
is a person, you know, tech speaking or generally speaking, who's fasted
37:01
before right like they had some experience about what intermittent fasting means. You know,
37:07
they've probably have done a fourteen to sixteen hour fast window. Yeah,
37:09
they've read a fast book, they've watched videos about people talking about fasting.
37:15
So that's that's kind where you are. And then obviously you would also have
37:17
experience with lifting weights, doing partiovascar exercise, and then somewhere along the line,
37:25
you've also used supplements. You may not have experimented with peptides, but
37:30
you definitely used supplements. Okay, So that's kind of what an advanced person
37:34
is. And so what we'll do what an advanced person is. We're going
37:37
to now tell you to say, Okay, you fasted for twelve to thirteen
37:40
to fourteen to sixteen hours, and now we're going to have you fast from
37:45
sixteen to eighteen and hopefully from eighteen to twenty. So we're going to extend
37:49
the window of your fast by four hours. Now, the reason that we're
37:52
extending the window of your fast is because that's when all the metaball I call
37:57
it metabolic magic, but that's when all the metaball like cascades of autology and
38:00
hormesis really truly take effect. And why that's important Michelle is when you have
38:07
fasted for fourteen to sixteen hours for say years, your body has created a
38:15
set point around the metabolic actions of not eating for fourteen to sixteen hours.
38:21
When we look at the science of fasting and we really look deep into the
38:24
metabolic cascades of autoplogy at hormesis, and I like to think of both of
38:29
those things as a cellular fumigation. You will see that cytokines and fight or
38:36
flight hormones will start showing up in blood work at about seventeen to nineteen hours
38:42
without food in the microbiome. And we want we want that to happen because
38:49
that activating fight or flight hormones nora effort and epidepic and there's a couple other
38:58
ones eight. All of this inflammatory and again it's not an inflammatory in a
39:06
bad way, but an inflammatory in a good way. And that you will
39:08
literally mobilize stored, stubborn body fat because again, the fighter flight hormones are
39:14
going to scavenge the areas that are the healthiest or i'm sorry, the least
39:20
blood flow. So what happens is, excuse me, when you get a
39:24
fast into seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty hours. At that mobilization of the fighter flight
39:30
hormones, the body is going to attack the areas of your body that are
39:34
very resistant to losing body fat. So if you're a man, it's usually
39:37
in the belly or the belly button area. If you're a woman, that's
39:40
usually in the gluten ham tie in or even in the lower back you know
39:44
where women get like cottage cheese dimples in their thighs. At that right there
39:50
is actually being mobilized because in most cases there's poor blood flow in those areas,
39:55
and that's why those areas are very resistant to blood to fat loss.
39:59
But when you constantly the fast for eighteen to twenty hours, you will turn
40:04
on those pathways and you will activate again they're called A A two and B
40:08
two receptors to mobilize blood flow again through the fight or fly hormone activation,
40:15
which will then burn and mobilize free fatty acids or again visceral fat tissue that
40:20
are in those areas. So when you do this type of extended fasting over
40:22
time, you will lose a lot of body fat in very difficult resistant areas
40:28
that previously, previously you were unable to lose fatron. Okay, that's step
40:34
one then. Okay, So just to let people know, one of the
40:37
ways to make this easier is to stop eating at about five o'clock, right,
40:45
and don't eat again until the next day, Let's say eleven. Would
40:50
that be enough time? Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean
40:52
I so to me, I don't think that's easy. I think I think
40:55
the best way to look at it as most people can stop eating it's seven,
41:00
seven thirty, yeah, and uh, you know, have their last
41:02
meal of the day between six and seven, and then not eat again until
41:07
one or two o'clock in the afternoon the next day. Now, if you
41:09
really want to accelerate the fat loss, then you're not going to eat again
41:14
till three or four the next day, and you're gonna go twenty one hours
41:16
or longer as as you know from reading the book, or as you'll get
41:21
to as you start reading through the book. You know, when it gets
41:22
really deep into the esoteric, uh you know, awareness of fat loss,
41:28
we start looking at the metabolic cascades that are created from twenty four to twenty
41:31
six to even thirty hours of fasting. And you know, one thing that
41:37
you know, people that don't know about this book, and so they can
41:38
understand this because they're probably thinking, like, dude, how can this person
41:42
be fit and maintain muscle and fast that long? All of the research and
41:45
again I always quote Jason Fung, you know who's the author of the Obesity
41:50
Code, and you know he's also written an amazing book on fasting. It's
41:52
called Alternate Day Fasting. And very very little regard for that book, but
41:55
it was literally published I think in twenty thirteen or fourteen. But he has
42:00
access to studies that show. And this is for all the bros that watch
42:05
your show, right because they all think that if you fast for a certain
42:07
amount of time, you're going to catabolize muscle tissue and blah blah blah.
42:10
But it's completely not true the studies that he has. We're an Olympic caliber
42:15
track and field athletes, so and I know you know this, but for
42:19
track athletes, there are some of the most heavily muscled type two fiber quick
42:22
twitch people on the planet. Like they're freaks, Like genetically they look really
42:28
beastly and they've done studies in those people where they went seventy one hours without
42:34
any kind of protein degradation. So It's a myth to think that if you
42:38
do not eat for twenty four to thirty six hours that you're going to break
42:43
down muscle tissue. And this is by the way, for the biggest people.
42:45
I don't care if you're a three hundred pound you know, striated bodybuilder,
42:50
or you're just one hundred and fifty pound you know woman trying to lose
42:52
twenty pounds, You're not going to lose muscle. The body is so super
42:58
efficient and so always achieving and seeking homeostasis. It's not going to catabolize muscle
43:05
tissue. That's what fight or flight is about. It will literally preserve muscle
43:07
tissue up to in science, seventy one hours without food. So people that
43:14
are worried about losing muscle tissue, you know who have muscle when, are
43:16
afraid that they're going to lose muscle by fasting for twenty four hours. It's
43:20
completely unfounded. There's no scientific evidence. It's pro science if you think otherwise.
43:24
And so there's a lot of people that will really utilize this diet to
43:29
go without eating on their fasting days. Now, something else to understand is,
43:36
yes, we have caloric requirements, Yes we have you know minimum micros
43:39
and macros and all that stuff. But if you're fat, Okay, when
43:44
I say fat, I mean like you're twenty five percent or higher fat as
43:46
a male or female, and you want to get down into the healthy ranges
43:51
you know of say ten to fifteen for a man, in fifteen to twenty
43:54
for a woman. It's okay to not eat, you know, two or
43:59
three days a week if you want to lose fat the fastest way possible and
44:01
obviously within the help within the context of health and longevity. So we structure
44:06
this program so that on the days that you do eat, that's when you
44:10
do your resistance training. When the days that you don't eat is when you
44:15
do your fasting. So it basically is like you know, Jason Funk's Alternate
44:19
Day Fasting book, it's basically an alternate day fasting program. So like,
44:22
if you're going to like build this out, yeahay, you just said something
44:27
that I wanted to stop you from homent. You said on the days that
44:30
you're fasting. What happens that that's where I lost you. On the days
44:37
that you're fasting and you're doing your cardiovascu or training, Okay, that's what
44:39
you're yeah, you're not lifting on your fasting days. You're I mean,
44:44
well you can and I can get to that. Again. There's a lot
44:46
of different ways to hack this and to advance this SMROT protocol standpoint, But
44:51
the basic gist of it is if you have a five day work week Monday,
44:54
Wednesday, and Friday, or three days out of the week. It
44:58
doesn't matter what your days are, but the purposes of this conversation, Monday,
45:00
Wednesday, and Friday you're lifting and you're eating. Tuesdays and Thursdays you're
45:06
fasting and you're doing cardio. Saturdays and Sundays are really dependent on your lifestyle
45:12
and depending on how much body fat you want to lose. But most people
45:15
in this protocol fast on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, and then set their
45:22
Sunday up so that they break their fast like in the late afternoon for a
45:24
family get together, a barbecue, going out to a restaurant or whatever,
45:28
and then they eat that way. But if you really start looking at this
45:30
mathematically, if you fast three days a week at a minimum of twenty hours
45:38
per day, you will tap again the biochemical cascades of on topogy and hormieces.
45:45
You will stimulate blood flow to very resistant areas of your body that you
45:50
know can't lose fat previous to that, and you will lose much more fat
45:54
per unit of time than you were than you would if you were doing any
45:59
other kind of die where you were just like you know, doing a caloric
46:01
Uh what do you call it? A minimized caloric like a chloric reduction diet.
46:06
Now, I know a lot of people out there will counter, you
46:07
know, contradict me, and they'll say that's not true. It's always thermodynamics.
46:13
It's calories in and calories out. And I you know, I constantly
46:15
have this debate with people, it's not true when you're using GOLP one agonists
46:22
because you're just if you're dealing with this, if you're fasting correctly with a
46:29
GOLP one agonist, it makes it very easy to extend your fast window because
46:35
of the appetite suppression, which in the past, before we had gop one
46:38
agonists, it was just pure willpower and most people could not do it.
46:44
Now, if you you know, also factor out the bro science that people
46:47
have in their minds of like oh, dude, if I go, if
46:50
I don't eat for twenty if I go twenty hours without food, I'm gonna
46:52
lose muscle. That's complete bs, right, So like we know that from
46:58
the science, and I know that because I've been, you know, doing
47:00
this for fifteen years. I've been living a fastening lifestyle of fifteen years,
47:04
and I've perfected this and obviously I've helped literally, probably through the Internet now
47:07
hundreds of thousands of people lose weight on this type of diet. And again,
47:12
you know, going back to your original question, or one of your
47:14
questions, is like why did you write this book when you already had all
47:15
this information out there? Because I wanted to teach people how to do this
47:21
and make it simpler. I e. Thirty days by using GLP one agonists
47:24
to doll their appetite and fast longer. You know, Jay, what I
47:30
was fascinated by is looking at your cheat sheet, not the one with the
47:36
pep gaz. That's another one. We'll talk about that one on our next
47:37
podcast, because I want to want to I have it so that it's going
47:43
to be flashed on our screen today so people know what they're going to get
47:46
into the next time, whether it's on your podcast or mine. I really
47:51
want to go through those because it's very very concise, and there it is
47:57
right there, you can see it. So okay, so we'll just for
48:00
people as a preview of coming attractions because we want to talk about how these
48:05
peptides are changing the world, just like the g l P one agonis are.
48:10
Okay, But what I wanted to say was I looked at your other
48:14
cheat sheet, which is your weekly uh schedule, and I was amazed at
48:19
two things. Well, one thing, mostly is that you don't take that
48:22
many supplements considering who you are. And you know, I look at this
48:27
Brian Johnson who takes one hundred pills a day. Crazy yeah, And it's
48:32
obviously it's it's a real challenge to deliver, right, to to be beating
48:38
all up. So okay, so how did you choose. Let's just let
48:43
me just summarize for everybody. The supplements on this list are the big three,
48:47
which you know, D, D three and K two together because they're
48:52
there, there are twins and they need to be taken together. And that's
48:55
something you can, you know, talk to me about at another time.
48:59
I don't want to take the time today, but I think I've mentioned it
49:01
on other podcasts. The other one is of course magnesium, which eighty percent
49:07
of the population is defishent yeh. And then the third one was b complex,
49:15
which you know, that's another one that a lot of people don't realize
49:17
how important that is, particularly in our stressful world. But what you don't
49:22
have in there was what I was more fascinated by, and I wondered how
49:25
you chose, because like, you don't have fish oils as one, don't
49:30
do not need fish oils if you get enough fish oil or from the perfect
49:36
blend of six and nine through consumption of wildcott fish. Yeah, okay,
49:42
all right, so you don't need the extra fish oils and that's I mean,
49:47
you could, I mean, it depends on your lifestyle. But like
49:50
you know, obviously this diet, it builds in the fact that you're going
49:52
to be eating a lot of hopefully brass fed animal protein and wildcott fish.
49:58
Some of you technically would need that. And then there's also the possibility that
50:01
you would be supplementing with like Uru's oil, you know, or you know,
50:07
MCT oil, or you know some sort of specific like olive oil,
50:09
like a virgin olive oil where you do get that blend of you know,
50:14
fish oils slash essential fatty acids that you would need to take fish oil supplementation
50:19
in replacement. Now, I did notice you have nm N, which could
50:22
tell people what that is and why that's so important. I mean, I
50:27
mean it is, and it is, and I mean again it depends on
50:30
like what you're using. But it stands for not a nickelonic acid. It
50:35
can't even pronounce the word exactly. I say it so many times in my
50:37
head, but but I mean it's you know, it's a supplement that it's
50:40
proven to extend the life, optimize mitochondria. I mean, it does a
50:45
lot of really really good things. I mean, you know, I take
50:47
it now, actually in a different formulation I'm used. I use. The
50:52
guys at Biostack Labs have it in one of their formulation supplements, and so
50:54
I take it because it's mixed in with some other things. There's other stuff.
50:59
I mean, supplements are relative obviously to your nutrition. So if you
51:05
eat a clean, balanced diet, which is very difficult in today's date and
51:08
age, as you know, because our environment and our food stuffs are so
51:12
contaminated, you don't need as much supplementation as say you would have needed,
51:17
or that you need now versus like what you would have used before when the
51:21
environment was as contaminated. So it really just comes down to your individual preference
51:24
and your individual lifestyle. But there's a lot of like, you know,
51:28
there's a lot of things that people take that I don't take because I don't
51:31
see, you know, a necessity relative to my consumption of food. Yeah,
51:37
I think the first thing people are told, oh, take a multi
51:38
vitamin, but yet multi vitamins it's actually a scam. If you drink,
51:44
if you drink a quality protein replacement, you know, drink, whether it's
51:49
you know, optim nutrition or you know whatever. I mean, all of
51:52
those. There's a massive spectrum of amino acids, vitamins, minerals, cofactors
51:59
that are in that, so you don't need that. The average person also
52:01
takes tablet forms of supplements, which are instantly pissed out, you know,
52:07
if they're not in a capsule. It's like, how is your body deaminating
52:10
the supplement in the liver, you know, into portal circulation, Like there's
52:15
so many things that the body is like excreting to get rid of and to
52:19
grind that supplement you know, out of that you know, what do they
52:22
call it? It's a buy an enteric tablet, you have to break it
52:25
in to break it up like inside you know, first pass and also in
52:30
the digestive tract. So a lot of people are taking stuff that they're not
52:32
getting any active ingredient by the time it's broken down in their metabolism. Well
52:37
what I do. You know, Let's say Quicksilver Scientific is a good company,
52:40
and they all of their products are liquid. Most of them are liquid.
52:45
They have some capital. But I find that if you take them sublingual
52:49
liquid form, like with glutacione is a big one, and they have a
52:53
vitamin C A liquid have dribos but they haven't been getting it. But that
53:00
was a powder. But anything that's not a tablet is going to be far
53:05
more absorbed, absorbed into the bloodstream, and particularly sublingual. It goes right
53:10
to the blood. It doesn't have to go through the GI tract. And
53:14
so that's why I tend to do those. But yeah, so, I
53:16
mean I was curious because I didn't see Risvere Troll, you know, David
53:21
Sinclair and his whole approach with NAD and Reserve Troll. You know, everybody
53:28
was so hot on that, and I would have thought you would have had
53:31
those in your program. And then well, like even some of the liver
53:37
support like milk thistle and dandelion, you know, because most people of microbione
53:44
is not well. I'm sure yours is, but a lot of people are
53:47
not you know, not in good shape. So anyways, if you're using
53:52
met Foreman, you don't mean to use any of those products. Met Foreman
53:55
upregulates acerbancia better than anything other or on the planet. There's nothing that we
54:01
could take all those things. Now, granted, if you're an alcoholic,
54:06
it's probably good to take a libertytox supplement, right like, if you you
54:09
know you're doing bad things to your body in exchange, then yeah, you
54:13
take those. But obviously I'm not assuming that people are alcoholics, so I
54:15
don't tell people to take libertytox supplements. And again, detoxing is like kind
54:22
of an overrate. I mean, I think it's kind of a scam.
54:23
I mean, your body is detoxing if you live clean, correct. If
54:29
you don't live clean, then yes, some of those things maybe you know
54:32
cofactors that you could probably benefit from. But again, I'm trying to do,
54:37
not trying to do. I'm delivering the maximum for the minimum. You
54:42
know, when people get in there, because as you know, Michelle,
54:43
people get overwhelmed with all the nonsense they hear on social media about thinking it
54:46
has taken that It's it's completely debilitating really because it's so confusing. It is,
54:58
you know, probiotics, and I'm glad you because that's the new darling
55:01
in the microbiome. You don't need any of that if you use met forman,
55:06
and if and if you understand met forman. And again I've written the
55:08
world's number one article ever in the history of the world on met form and
55:12
it's cited on Pubman and Harvard. Y to you, there is nothing that
55:16
met forman will not do for you. Do not believe the disinformation about mitochondrial
55:22
dysregulation or m tour signaling or all this other nonsense. It's all been debunked.
55:28
There's you know, the only thing that met forman when you use met
55:31
form and you also must do incontinuity, is you must take a B vitamin.
55:36
You must take a strong B vitamin because it does increase methylation. And
55:40
obviously, when anything that increases methylation is going to increase the excretion of B
55:46
vitamin folate you know, certain cofactors. So that's why I always tell people,
55:50
like, if you're going to use met form and you have to use
55:52
a very strong B vitamin supplement, and I recommend a spectrum. And that's
55:55
why, you know, the cheapest best quality is Geral Labs. Right,
56:00
there are other ones out there that are even better. You know, the
56:02
guy that I met at a four M in December this year gave me one
56:06
and now he sends me a Monica bottle every month and it's amazing. It's
56:09
probably stronger. It costs eighty bucks. What what? What? What one
56:14
is that? I forget the name of it. It's back in my medicine
56:15
camp. I'll send it to you. Text me and I'll send it to
56:17
you. I'd like to see it on which one because I take the BET
56:21
but I take B complex and U injectable, so you know, I get
56:27
it right into the bloodstream. But yeah, I mean it's really good that
56:30
way too. But obviously, again, as you know, most people are
56:31
too afraid to inject anything, so I recommend that. Yeah, I take
56:36
B complex and B twelve separately as injections because the V twelve is methyl cobolin
56:40
is very very difficult to absorb into the bloodstream if you're taking it as a
56:45
pill. Well, Jake, run out of time. As always, before
56:49
we it seems like before we start, we've ended. But I did flash
56:53
your book up on the screen and it is on Amazon, as people should.
56:59
Absolutely if you have nothing else to buy on Amazon these days, go
57:02
for this book. And I was so engaged with it last night that it
57:07
actually went beyond my bedtime. It has a very deep book. I mean,
57:12
you know what, to be very honest with people, A lot of
57:14
people struggle to read today because they're so you know, discombobulated from all the
57:19
different attention distraction that's out there. But it is, you know, a
57:22
four hundred and forty page book. And I think I told you this the
57:24
last time. It was originally six hundred and thirty pages, and I just
57:29
went crazy on my editorial team and I said, we need to take two
57:31
hundred pages out because it's already going to be too long at four hundred.
57:35
I mean, the average person today can't even read a hundred page book.
57:37
Well, I know, eight years he wrote the Bible of six thirty with
57:42
the distrata. Now you know, people's ADHD has has gotten so much first,
57:46
so you were very smart to do that. But anyway, so people
57:50
can buy it on Amazon, that's the probably the easiest if you want to
57:52
buy it. Okay, So that means that we need to find a date
57:58
again for your podcast and I would love to be part of your VIP mastermind.
58:05
Is that something that a person can ask you about? And and yeah
58:09
you can, but it costs a lot of money. Oh okay about that
58:15
offline for sure? Okay, maybe maybe you need a media person on there.
58:22
So all right, I'm actually it's funny you're saying there because we're actually
58:25
in preparation for that. That's it's it's in Mexico. My I do it
58:30
once a year, meet up with everybody who's in there, and we're doing
58:32
it. It's in Plait o'carmen, and I read it out like literally probably
58:37
the nicest house in Plaid o'carmen. It's right on the beach. I don't
58:38
even know what it costs. It's probably twenty million dollar plus house. But
58:43
it's five five days, four nights with like I mean, every bio hacking
58:49
creature feature you can imagine, and then plus plant medicine ceremonies if you want
58:52
them. You know, they'll be available to facilitate every morning, so it's
58:57
it's going to be quite the spectacle. And of course I'm having a video,
59:00
you know, a couple of a professional videographer team from the States come
59:05
down there and video the whole thing. So it's going to be pretty amazing.
59:07
So my wife and I are very excited about that. Well good,
59:09
I think I saw that, and I think if anybody is interested as watching
59:13
today can make contact. Is there a link they can actually, so like
59:17
you can actually go on my side. I'll send you the link if you
59:21
want to publish it when the video runs or whatever. But it's I forget
59:25
the name. We're rebuilding that page right now, so it eventually it'll just
59:29
be vip Mastermind Jay Campbell dot com forwards last vip Mastermind, But I'll send
59:32
you the link to it and they can watch like the testimonials from last year,
59:36
because I just this is the second year, so last year was like
59:39
the first year of it. And then we'll be reopening it for version three,
59:45
probably by July first, perhaps maybe as late as late as June,
59:51
once we get the videography done from the end of May from this one and
59:53
we get it all set up and ready to go. It'll be open.
59:55
But anybody who follows me, you know, and by the way, for
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anyone who watches this podcast, you can go to Jcampbell dot com Forward Slash
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Free Books. You can get a free copy, free pdf copy of all
1:00:07
my books with the exception of the one we talked about today, but you
1:00:09
can get at the Peptides book two. You can get the first three chapters
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of both of those books. So again it's just jacampbell dot com Forward Slash
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Free Books and you can get a PDF copy of all the books. I'm
1:00:20
glad you said that. As I told you last time, you have a
1:00:22
Michelle recommends on my website, and we always like to when our guests are
1:00:27
on, they always like to offer something that will incentivize take another step,
1:00:31
Jay and please. People can follow me on my on social media of course
1:00:35
too, and it's every social media channel Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube.
1:00:39
Is J Campbell three three three And again for people with they don't know what
1:00:44
that means is, it's the connection between master teachers and spirit and us as
1:00:47
mind, body, soul. Yeah, and I just want to close by
1:00:51
saying that the intro to your book is just so right on, it's so
1:00:54
inspiring. It's all about it all about you the person. If you if
1:01:00
you argue for your limitations, you're going to get them. So you're,
1:01:04
you know, talking in a spiritual context at the beginning and yet putting it
1:01:08
into a pragmatic approach with the facts and information in the book. So thank
1:01:15
you for doing that. And as I just said, I love you Jay,
1:01:17
I love you Michelle. Thank you for noticing that too. I appreciate
1:01:21
that. I love how you said that context of pragmatic from spiritual, because
1:01:24
it really is. I mean it's literally, if you don't love and trust
1:01:27
yourself, you're never going to find yourself worthy of changing. And you know
1:01:30
that, and I know that we all know. We don't all know that,
1:01:34
but people need to know that that you do and looking internally and if
1:01:38
you start thinking, oh, I'll never lose the weight or I'll never be
1:01:40
able to go to the gym or whatever. If you start arguing for those
1:01:45
points of view, guess what they now become you. So it's just the
1:01:50
only looking for the positives. And Jay Campbell certainly helps you with that.
1:01:53
So and I hope Michelle Hughes does too, because that's really my mission and
1:02:00
the whole purpose of doing an Agelest and Timeless podcast is to encourage people to
1:02:05
be the best version of themselves. I know that's a platitude, but it's
1:02:08
true. It's amazing and you are for sure, and I love that because
1:02:13
when Monica and I long pass now, but when Monica and I first got
1:02:16
together and we started to write for the websites for fitness, we had a
1:02:21
ball called Fabulously Fit over forty and that was our that was our tagline,
1:02:24
be the best you ever? Yeah? Perfect? All right, Well,
1:02:30
you have a wonderful rest of your week, and I'm going to be in
1:02:32
touch with you. I want to get on your program, so I'm going
1:02:36
to read the book first and then figuring out how to work with you if
1:02:39
you don't mind helping me, Yeah, no, of course, and then
1:02:43
I'll connect you or once once we talk, I'll connect you with Ish to
1:02:46
get you on the podcast for the next version. Perfect. Okay, have
1:02:51
a great day, Michelle. I'll talk to you soon. Right bye bye,
1:02:52
Dave Right fis