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The Favors (Finneas & Ashe) · Broken Record with Rick Rubin, Malcolm Gladwell, Bruce Headlam and Justin Richmond

• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Pushkin word first broke about the band The Favors back
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: in February, when cryptic posts revealed that Billie Eilish's producer
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: and brother Phineas was making new music with singer Ash.
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: Soon after, both artists began performing these songs live, introducing
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: The Favors to audiences even before an official release. Now,
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: the band is putting out their debut album, The Dream.
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: They call it a real chemistry album, the product of
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  Speaker 1: free flowing writing and jam sessions with their close friends
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: David Marinelli on drums and Ricky Gourmet on guitar. On
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  Speaker 1: today's episode, you'll hear Phineas and Ash perform two standout
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  Speaker 1: tracks from The Dream. Times Square, Jesus and the Hudson
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  Speaker 1: will also dig into their collaborative process, exploring how their
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: creative partnership shapes not only the music, but even the
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: way they present themselves to the world. This is broken record,
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  Speaker 1: real musicians, real conversations. Here's my conversation, Phineas and Ash
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  Speaker 1: of The Favors.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Phineas, I'm Ash, and we're the Favors And
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  Speaker 2: this is our song Time Squared Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm mm hmmm. It's easy tell someone loud.
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  Speaker 4: To fee not.
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  Speaker 3: It's fun to tell someone you love that it's real.
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  Speaker 5: The house your dady built is underwater.
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  Speaker 3: No use China not to be mother's daughter.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody knows your my weakness. Your don't p seecret. I'm
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  Speaker 5: a friend every time I walk by.
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  Speaker 3: Time, squeechess.
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  Speaker 5: He tells me to confess before my grad.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't want to be see.
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  Speaker 4: She's everything had.
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  Speaker 5: I have a walk.
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  Speaker 6: To be because she's used and I'm no thread of ooh.
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  Speaker 3: Still pick up your mother from me? She said I
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  Speaker 3: should move on just my father's son.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody in asy my weakness.
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  Speaker 3: You're in allen see secret.
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  Speaker 5: I'm a fo every time I walk by time, squete Jesus.
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  Speaker 5: He tells me to confess before month.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to be saved. Looks your neve read
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  Speaker 3: fill up your share.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing that you said has ever crown.
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  Speaker 3: Use me to talk about your saif you come off me,
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  Speaker 3: but I know you mean well.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody knows any on my weekness. You're all in secly.
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  Speaker 5: I'm a felly d.
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  Speaker 3: My walk, but I'm squich Jesus. He tells me to
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  Speaker 3: confess with forma.
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  Speaker 1: You guys just on the spot like re re arranged
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  Speaker 1: that fighting for our lives.
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  Speaker 7: That was all Finnea's just now. That was very I'm
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  Speaker 7: sitting here very impressed by my friend.
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  Speaker 1: The fact you said that earlier, how impressed you were
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  Speaker 1: when he sat because you weren't sure if he had
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  Speaker 1: worked on it, worked on it. He hadn't. He just
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  Speaker 1: was kind of he just kind of fell, you know,
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  Speaker 1: fell out of his fingers, and you said it was like,
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  Speaker 1: how incredible is have a friend that talented? And then
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and I'm.
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  Speaker 8: Listening to you sing Yeah I know the same way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you must be the same way.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Making his whole record was like that.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, I don't know, two people carrying the
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  Speaker 2: same heavy thing, you know what I mean. You're like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you're you're totally strong, Like you're I only have to
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  Speaker 2: carry my side of this, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's really great.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like totally it's fine that in life oftentimes
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  Speaker 2: you're like one person is better at some thing than
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  Speaker 2: the other person, and so you're like we're we're sharing
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  Speaker 2: this burden. But I am sometimes I feel self conscious
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  Speaker 2: when it's me, when I'm like I'm not lifting the
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: way that this other person is lifting and I feel
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  Speaker 2: like making this record, I was like, oh, we're just
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  Speaker 2: like both of us, I think we're like this is
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  Speaker 2: kind of a lightlift because the other person we're with
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  Speaker 2: it is so competent.
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  Speaker 1: Are there instances where you might more typically feel like
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  Speaker 1: you're not carrying your end of the bar?
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  Speaker 2: Or you know, I guess anytime I do something like
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  Speaker 2: brand new, like I score film and TV now and like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not very good at it, and you know, I
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: might have a good idea or a good instinct, but like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not experienced, So I have to ask a lot
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  Speaker 2: of questions. I have to call my music editor and
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  Speaker 2: call the filmmaker and you know, call the music soup
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  Speaker 2: or whatever it is, and be like, what do you think?
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  Speaker 8: What should I do? What should I do next? You know?
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  Speaker 2: And so I'm grateful to those people for, you know,
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  Speaker 2: being down to work with me.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel comfortable in that position having to make
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  Speaker 1: not exactly knowing knowing that you're not exactly sure of?
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  Speaker 2: Truthfully, I feel super self conscious and kind of bad
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  Speaker 2: about myself and event and that's and but that's the
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  Speaker 2: only way I've ever gotten better at anything is like
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  Speaker 2: wanting to not feel.
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  Speaker 8: That way anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Like the first couple of records I produced, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm I felt so demoralized, and then you just get
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  Speaker 2: through a couple of them and you're like, Okay, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't die.
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  Speaker 8: I mean do some more.
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  Speaker 2: And eventually like we made this album in a way
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  Speaker 2: where I was like, oh, I feel very confident about
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  Speaker 2: how this should sound, and I don't know. I listened
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  Speaker 2: to the whole album on the way over here to
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  Speaker 2: kind of get like in the headspace of talking about it, and.
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  Speaker 8: I was like, oh, I love the way this sounds.
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  Speaker 8: It's awesome.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel very well matched in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 7: I'll say I think we do, like probably lift each
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  Speaker 7: other up when the other is like maybe not as
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  Speaker 7: proficient as something like what he just did on piano
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  Speaker 7: for times, Greg Jesus, I could not have done.
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  Speaker 9: I'm decent at piano.
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  Speaker 7: I did the other song, but I am not, you know,
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  Speaker 7: I just don't have the same skill set. And I
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  Speaker 7: feel like Phineas is that kind of person that's like
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  Speaker 7: I've got your back. Like, I don't think it's always
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  Speaker 7: just going to be a fifty to fifty thing. I
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  Speaker 7: think it's sometimes it's going to be like a sixty
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  Speaker 7: forty and we're going to like show up for the
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  Speaker 7: other person in the way we need to.
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  Speaker 1: And how often is that that balance between the two
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  Speaker 1: of you in this particular partnership. How often is that
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  Speaker 1: strictly to do with the record or the recording and
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: the writing, and how much do that sometimes just lifestyle?
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  Speaker 1: I would say.
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  Speaker 2: I would say writing the album was like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: fifty to fifty, cut the circle in half, like very
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  Speaker 2: very even, and she'd bring stuff in and we'd finish
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  Speaker 2: it together, and I brought an idea two and we
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  Speaker 2: finished it together. And then when we were in the
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  Speaker 2: room starting stuff together, it was like very that the
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  Speaker 2: writing of the record.
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  Speaker 8: Was totally fifty to fifty.
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  Speaker 2: And then I purposefully made the recording of the record
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: like a little bit raw. It was like me and
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  Speaker 2: Ash and the two other guys who contributed musically played
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: drums and guitar, all in a living room, really in
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  Speaker 2: a room about this size, and Ash and I sang
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  Speaker 2: into these Mike capsules and we were in the room
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  Speaker 2: about this far away from each other, and so I'm
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  Speaker 2: kind of involved. I sort of forced everybody to be
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  Speaker 2: present for the whole recording. There was no kind of
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  Speaker 2: like I've made records before where like maybe if Ash
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  Speaker 2: is just singing on that song, she's like gonna come in.
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  Speaker 8: Much later in the day.
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  Speaker 2: And we didn't do it that way with like everybody
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  Speaker 2: was there for each others, but like the drumm would
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  Speaker 2: play pass and we just sit there and we'd be like,
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: nice job, Maybe do that ending a little differently, Like
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  Speaker 2: it was very democratized for sure. Yeah, in the mixing
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  Speaker 2: post production process, I was sort of doing that on
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  Speaker 2: my own because I had the computer, but I'd send
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  Speaker 2: Ash everything and get her feedback on it and then
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  Speaker 2: sort of vice versa. Like the kind of creative the
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  Speaker 2: visual side of it has been like all helmed by
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  Speaker 2: Ash and all, you know, like references and images she's
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  Speaker 2: come up with which I've loved.
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  Speaker 1: So would you hang around earlier in the day as
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  Speaker 1: they're tracking the instrumental bit of it?
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  Speaker 7: And then absolutely, I mean, and I had my own
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  Speaker 7: opinions about what was getting played, you know, Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 7: or Ricky you know who's on guitar, would play a
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  Speaker 7: riff over and over and over and he would develop
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  Speaker 7: it and it would become and it would like morph
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  Speaker 7: into something because we all were sort of like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: that's it, Oh you're onto something, or David be like
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  Speaker 7: try this, but we did. When we first sort of
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  Speaker 7: came up with the whole concept, I went and going, well,
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  Speaker 7: maybe we should hire an engineer so that we're kind
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  Speaker 7: of tracking this live. And then you aren't bearing all
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  Speaker 7: the weight of the.
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  Speaker 1: Thing because the director actor I was.
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  Speaker 9: Like, you produce all these amazing albums.
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  Speaker 7: And then I felt, I think the truthfully as I
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  Speaker 7: felt self conscious that I wasn't going to lift enough
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  Speaker 7: weight on that end, on that end, and then I
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  Speaker 7: think we got to the point where I'm like we
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  Speaker 7: both were like, well, he's a producer, Like you're a
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  Speaker 7: brilliant producer.
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  Speaker 9: We're kind of idiots if you don't produce.
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  Speaker 2: There's a nakedness too to making an album. That's like
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  Speaker 2: we were really being intimate, like the four of us know,
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  Speaker 2: like the two guys I was with I've known for
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  Speaker 2: years and Ash got to know intimately through that. So
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  Speaker 2: it's the four of us in a room and then
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  Speaker 2: even like the fifth person in the room several of
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  Speaker 2: the days was a photographer and a murial that Ash
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  Speaker 2: is very close with that came in. But it is
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  Speaker 2: just this closeness that like allows you to be really
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  Speaker 2: brave and really kind of like even though you are
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  Speaker 2: being observed, like you kind of act unobserved. And I
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  Speaker 2: felt like that was the thing where I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm willing to trade, like I'm a less good engineer
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  Speaker 2: than if I hired somebody to come in and do this,
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  Speaker 2: and I might make a couple of mistakes along the way,
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  Speaker 2: but like the vulnerability is a trade that I'm willing
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  Speaker 2: to make of Like, yeah, there's just you kind of
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  Speaker 2: are like naked in front of each other. That's how
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  Speaker 2: it feels to be singing that way and to be
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  Speaker 2: making mistakes over and over. And I just thought like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: somebody that I'm not so comfortable with might throw off
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  Speaker 2: the jujuw.
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  Speaker 8: Of the thing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean like, yeah, I feel like this album was
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  Speaker 2: like a real chemistry album, Like that was what made
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: it really fun, even like her talking about the like
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: Ricky developing his guitar part, like that process can make
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: you feel self conscious if you're sitting there noodling and
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  Speaker 2: three people are.
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  Speaker 8: Like no, no, no, not that I like, no, I like.
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  Speaker 2: That part, but like he had to be so kind
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  Speaker 2: of willing to let us editorialize, and he was. You know,
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  Speaker 2: so I think that that whole kind of experience, even
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  Speaker 2: like parts were ashes, like I don't know about that
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  Speaker 2: harmony part, and like, great, let's think of the other one.
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  Speaker 2: Let's try another one, you know what I mean, Like
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  Speaker 2: just kind of have to be brave in front of
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  Speaker 2: each other. So it was it was nice to have
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  Speaker 2: it be sort of private. Although if we made another record,
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  Speaker 2: I try to.
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  Speaker 8: I'll put it this way. Making this album made me
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  Speaker 8: higher and engineer, and it made me be like I
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  Speaker 8: wish I had an engineer that I worked with all
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  Speaker 8: the time.
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  Speaker 1: Really yeah, because that intimate nature, the intimateness and the
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  Speaker 1: and the personalness does it feels in a lot of ways,
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: like the conceit of the album when you listen to
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: it as a whole, you know. I got to hear
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: a couple of songs as they came out early, and
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  Speaker 1: then when I finally got sent the full album and
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: I listened to it, I was like, I get, I
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: get what this is. Sure, so but you so you
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: but you would make it a little different this time
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  Speaker 1: though for another time.
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  Speaker 8: If you would make that album differently.
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  Speaker 2: I think I would try to distill the things that
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: went well about making that record and then incorporate additional things.
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  Speaker 8: Got it, Yeah, got it?
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  Speaker 1: And you guys made this a bit ago, right, A
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  Speaker 1: couple of years ago?
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  Speaker 9: Or was it when we finish it a year ago?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 9: A year ago?
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  Speaker 7: Now?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: A year ago okay, and before you guys did your
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  Speaker 1: last two solo records, right.
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  Speaker 7: I finished mine before we finished this, Yeah, but it.
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  Speaker 9: Was but we kind of started it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah. I finished mine pointedly.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, finished mine, like by July fourth, and
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: then we recorded most of this record starting on like
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: the twentieth or something. I was like, it was very
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: close and proximity.
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  Speaker 1: Got it because I was as I was listening to Wilson,
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  Speaker 1: as I was listening to you, yes, exactly, and then
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  Speaker 1: listening to this again. I just want to discern if
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: there was a relationship between the three or if this
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: was something completely unique and separate creatively for you guys.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: And I don't know how you guys.
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  Speaker 2: I wrote all of for Crying Out Loud after we
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: wrote half of this record, and so I knew in
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: my mind, like that stuff is going to come out.
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  Speaker 2: So I was probably sort of to some degree, trying
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  Speaker 2: to not.
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  Speaker 9: Inform you were informed by it, Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Well, trying not to copy it. I didn't want to.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't want to go and make this album twice
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  Speaker 2: because I don't want it to be special.
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  Speaker 8: And then I also didn't want to have there be
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  Speaker 8: like no paper trail.
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  Speaker 2: Like if I'd made like a really experimental Synthia album
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  Speaker 2: and then was like, hey, guys, like by tickets to
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: the favorite show, I think that'd be a stranger transition.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: There's songs on my last record, like Cleats and even
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: the single for Krandit Lad that like they feel like
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: my own, but like they make sense that this came
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  Speaker 2: after that to me. Yeah, I feel the same about Wilson.
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  Speaker 2: Wilson has an organic feeling, I.
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  Speaker 7: Think, yeah, also similarly organic, but I mean topically, you know,
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  Speaker 7: Wilson was such a self examination of you know, I
• 16:03
  Speaker 7: almost quit music and like a journey back to music
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  Speaker 7: and like relationship with being public person at all and
• 16:12
  Speaker 7: just traumas and YadA YadA. Whereas this record was such
• 16:16
  Speaker 7: a experiment in writing with these other characters and personas
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  Speaker 7: and sort of writing like a script, which I've never
• 16:28
  Speaker 7: done before. And same was super fun and kind of
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: liberating in a way.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll be back with more from Phineas and
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  Speaker 1: Ash after the break. We should talk about the writing
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: process because that song, in particular times Jesus Is I
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: thought it was one of my favorite songs on the
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  Speaker 1: album thank You, and in a way because when you
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  Speaker 1: hear the When I heard the first verse at first,
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't one hundred percent sure what the song was about.
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  Speaker 1: Then I heard the chorus, I was like, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: think I know what the song is about. And then
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: it gets to the second verse, I'm like, actually, I
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: really don't know what the songs about. But in the
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  Speaker 1: best way, like not in like you know, it's like
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  Speaker 1: this song is like there's it's clearly feels like it's
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: like a song that it's going to like unfurl over it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe change meanings, but w how did you guys? Look,
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  Speaker 1: what was the writing process on that song?
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  Speaker 8: The rating president that song was really specific. Do you
• 17:20
  Speaker 8: want to talk about it? It's awesome.
• 17:21
  Speaker 9: It was really cute of us.
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  Speaker 7: I mean from the jump, it was like I knew
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: we needed an acoustic guitar song on the record, which
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  Speaker 7: we hadn't had yet. And we were pretty deep into
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: making the album, and I was like, we're idiots if
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: we don't make that song. And I think I probably
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: said that and walked away. And then I came grabbed
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  Speaker 7: a cold brew for the millionth time of the day
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  Speaker 7: and then walked in and Phineas was playing the acoustic
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  Speaker 7: that he was playing that riff that's the main sort
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  Speaker 7: of melodic hook of Times Square Jesus, and I was
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  Speaker 7: similar to just now when he just pulled this out
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  Speaker 7: of his pocket with Time Square, I was like, jaw dropped,
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  Speaker 7: like that's unbelievable. That's the song. Let's go from there.
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  Speaker 7: And I think we started with the chorus.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody knows that you're my weakness, I think to me,
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  Speaker 2: like I only need one line to be like great,
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  Speaker 2: like I'm in, let's write the rest of this song,
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  Speaker 2: like everybody knows that you're my weakness. You're an open secret,
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  Speaker 2: I'm afraid. To me, I was like all right, great,
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  Speaker 2: Like yeah, that's worth pursuing all day.
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  Speaker 8: That's great.
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  Speaker 7: And Phineas kept like rattling off like like when you're
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: in Times Square and it's like the person Elvis that
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  Speaker 7: and then he came aim up with times square Jesus,
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  Speaker 7: and everyone was like, that's it.
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  Speaker 3: That's so good.
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  Speaker 1: It's really good. It's a super accessible image, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like you know what it is when you
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: hear it, but then it's obscured coming across.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm square Jesus.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: In La You do see like a Jesus every two years,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: like on an overpass or something, and you're like and
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: it's always weird because you're like, I know that's a guy,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: but like Jesus was a guy.
• 19:11
  Speaker 8: Huh.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: You have to wonder.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely makes you get introspective for an hour.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what was that was?
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: What if God was one of us?
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Uh Uh?
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Whenever that group is called that, that song is the greatest. Yeah,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: well yeah, what if God was one of us? Just
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: just a stranger on the bus.
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: Trying to make his way home. It's a great song. Yeah.
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: But anyway, so then we had the.
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: Hook and then we I don't I don't know what
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: got into me.
• 19:40
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but I sort of was like it's usually the
• 19:44
  Speaker 9: cold brew.
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: And I was like, what if we did like an
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: experiment where we break off into groups and each write
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: a verse and phineas as like such an earnest pure
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: Man was like, I love that. Let's go write a
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: beautiful verse. And then me and Ricky go to the side,
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: and I'm like, we have to write the best verse
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: of all time. We got to beat their verse, and
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: then you did, No, I did verse. We were like,
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: best verse gets the first verse, and sure enough, neither
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: of those verses did they know?
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: Your verse ended up being the first verse.
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: But you like, we changed all of it things we.
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: Know verse on a shelf.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Verse was like the third verse, the book, the books
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: and the whatever that was in the Yeah, I mean
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: we wrote these unconnected things. We had the chorus in
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: common to kind of get in and out of, and
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: then we wrote these different things. But I think that,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: like Ash wrote this verse that I loved, and then
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh well, then let me write a
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: prequel to your verse. Like your verse is great, but
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: let me contextualize it, and then it'll I'll just mirror all.
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: Of the good stuff you wrote.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: And what was it that you What was it that
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: she wrote that you particularly?
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I loved that she says you're too much your father's son.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: I loved the.
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: Stuff to book up your mother from the airport.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was sad and yeah, I just thought it
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: was a pure image, and so ours is the house
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: your daddy Bill was underwater, and your your your mother's stiff,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: and this kind of like there's a lot of sort
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: of like the psychoanalyzing somebody that you used to be
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: in love with on this record. That's kind of like
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the main theme is the sort of like remember the
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: history of all of this stuff that I know about you.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: There's a song near the end of the record called
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Lake George that's like I've seen the place you were born.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: That's like one of the lines, and I feel like
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: that's kind of the whole album is like, yeah, I
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: know so much about you, even though you're in the
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: rearview mirror of my life. I know all of this
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: stuff about you, and you know, whoever you're with now knows.
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: Less, which is I think a hard feeling not to have.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: To some degree in your life, especially the older you get,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: because you're young. Relationships they were young too, and so
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: you're like, I was there, I was.
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: Part of your origin story.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: And then now you're off saying whatever you want about yourself.
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: But I know what it was like. I know how
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: you were at eighteen and.
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: Like who you are is part of because I was
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: in your life, that's right. Like I'm me because this
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: kid Taylor was my first boyfriend for five years.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Right, it's a long time for a first boyfriend. I am.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I had a four year first girlfriend. Yeah, a real monogamous.
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: People romantic wow. Yeah.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: But I think that like the verses, the abstract part
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: of the verses to me, Like I was listening to
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: songs of Leonard Cohen a lot when I was working
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: on this record with you, and like he's a real poet,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: but I don't know what he means, you know what
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I mean. I know that it's evocative and it's interesting,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: and maybe he can justify, like I can kind of
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: justify every line in the song, but it's not important
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: to me. What's important to me is like the abstract quality.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: I think we're like we've entered in the last ten
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: years into a hyper specific period of songwriting.
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: I saw you on the street and then you took
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: out your pencil.
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: Oh dude, I saw you.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I saw you on the corner of you know, this
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: specific street as the CBS Pharmacy, Like like it's so
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: kind of plebeian and there is a kind of a
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: there is a power in it. But sometimes I'm like sure,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: but like, if you tell me that a house was beautiful,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I'll just imagine a beautiful house. I don't have to
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: then hear all about you know what I mean, like
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: a very very very fine house. Yeah, but I think
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: that that to me is like this song's sort of
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: opaque quality. To me, it is like I love that.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I love just sort of like picking out little lines.
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: I mean, I know where we're sitting here, like talking
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: about the songs. But I do think it's a annoying
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: trait when people over explain yeah, you know, because I
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: don't want to know what Chris Martin meant by it
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: was all yellow, Like I like what I make up
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: in my own because I am a romantic and all
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: the things I learned.
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: A couple of years ago.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: People had come up to me and they go, what
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: did this line in this one song mean? And I'd
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: tell him and they'd be like, oh, well, what I
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: thought it was was this.
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: And I'd be like, well, then that's great, Like let's.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Just all disillusion well and like they're not interested in
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: what I They're not actually what they really want to
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: hear is that I thought the exact same thing they did,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: which I inevitably never did, and so like now I
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: just go like what does mean to you?
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: And they say it, I'm like I love that.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Like that's great, that's a great move. I just pretend that,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: like that's amazing. I mean, that's like the human conditions.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Everyone just wants walks around, wanted to be affirmed on
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: some level. And of course whatever your own lyrics really true,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: could not live up to what someone else has, like
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: they imbued to.
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: Them, it's really true.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: You know, three four, five years of listening or even
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: a single couple of listens, that was a pretty unique
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: version of writing.
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was the only that was the only song
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: that we did that on and we were again very
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: deep into the album that point. It really felt like
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: we had nothing to lose.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the other really like group think songs were like
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: There's Home, Sweet Home, David's brother the Dream. Those are
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: the other three that were like we're all shooting ideas
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: over the table at each other.
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: And that was also really fun.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: And what David's brothers a pretty is a cool one too?
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: What was the spark for that one?
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Ash was playing that cool piano part with chords. I
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: really don't. This is the best part about writing the
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: songs with other people, like chords that are not always
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: in my back pocket, like not the thing my fingers
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: go to, and I love the chords. And then she'd
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: been at the keys all week and so she was
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: kind of like, man, I've had to sit here and
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: play and sing the whole time. So I was like,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: that's okay, I'll play it for you. So she wrote
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: the piano part, but then I sat and played it
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: so she could kind of like think and sing well.
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: And he has like such a way with rhythm. Rhythm
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: on piano is a tough it's just not that easy.
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: And like I was like, this is this will be
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: a better song if we switch, and by switching, I'm
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: not going to play an instrument.
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: Anymore, and you have one, and yeah.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: But that was really fun. And that was again like
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: kind of a high concept of like got a couple
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: of lines deep. I remember like hold my breath and
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: count to thirty, which is such a long number, saying
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: it's sang really good, but you're like thirty holding your
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: breath for thirty seconds, so you're gonna feel it. But
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: it was really about kind of like spinning out after
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: a breakup, and the premise is like you're you're at
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: home and your house is a mess, and you're.
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: Like this is pathetic, like I.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Got to go out, and then you go out and
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: you run into the person that you've broken up with
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: and you're like this is way worse, like this is
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I have to I should have stayed home, And so
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: that became the whole thing. And then we had this
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: kind of like geographical thing on the record this time
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Squared Jesus and the Hudson and Home Sweet Home is
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: a bar in New York, and we had the song
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: the Dream, and we we really made this kind of
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: LA New York record. So we were listing all these
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: bars in LA, like we're going to say. We had
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: the line acupuncture, doing therapy and acupuncture change my shirt,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: my clothes, and my number my number. Yeah, and so
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: we're like, what's a bar that rhymes with number? And
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: we were slant rhyming of the bar called forty one
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: hundred that's on the East Side, and Ash's like, forty
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: one hundred is a stupid bar name to sing like,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: She's like I live in Nashville, Like that doesn't that
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: was the.
• 27:22
  Speaker 9: Voice of reason for sure, because these three boys were like.
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, forty one hundred, that's so good.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: I think it's I think when you have been there,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: you picture like, I think that bar is like CD.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: And so I was like, I was like, oh, that's
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: funny to think about that bar. And I She's like
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: saying forty one hundred. It's not like the Dresden has
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: a cool name. The Sunset Tower is a cool name.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Fort is just like a number. Yeah, yeah, And so
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: we were like, well, what's a bar that and then
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: David was like, well, my brother goes to that bar
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: all the time.
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: We were like, what if we just never say the
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: name of the bar.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: It's just like you're at the bar that with David's brother,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: because that was the bar that he went to.
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: And then it became this kind of like who the
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: fuck is David's brother?
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Like you're dating the girl you used to date is
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: now on a date with David's brother, and you're like, God,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: damn it, that's U And I don't know, the whole
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: thing became privately funny to us, and then it was like,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: all right, how can we illustrate that this is funny?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: And then there's like those lines in the second verse that's.
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: Like Daddy was a tennis star.
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: That's in the dream.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: But there's those lines that's like, yeah, there's try to
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: be a different person. Shot way to learn your lesson
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: of who you are and who you're not? Uh uh,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: what's what's the one with the eighth in my purse?
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: And I've never looked better, but I've never felt worse.
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: It's a lot.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: It's just kind of about, you know, picking yourself up
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: and trying to move on with your life.
• 28:45
  Speaker 9: And waking up in a basement.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Is that the dream?
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: You know why I keep confusing talking about can we
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: switch the topic? I had a very similar experience writing
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: both of those songs because I pretty much just watched
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: and like cracked.
• 29:04
  Speaker 9: Up the entire time.
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: Because they the three like Ricky, David and Finny as
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: are like they're the Triple Crown, Like they're the three Stooges,
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: you know, and they're they do have this camaraderie that
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: I they so graciously let me step into and making
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: this album. But they definitely had an established sort of
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: like very very close best friend and boys, you know,
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: and so they were just like riffing and cracking up
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: the entire time writing specifically those two songs.
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: So I'm kind of thinking of that.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Did it take a while to be able to step
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: into that and feel comfortable? Like just sort of I.
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: Don't think I ever got comfortable, not in like a
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: guys like let me in, not at all that, but
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: more so like I have no interest in my voice
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: being heard if it's not like needed. Sure, like if
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: I have a great line, I'm not gonna be like, hey, guys,
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: i have something to say. But if I'm like observing
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: them being so intellectual and funny and you know, I
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: have no interest in like, hey, guys, remember my ego
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: in the room?
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Well I would argue too that, like there's two roles
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: in a room like that, and it's like they're both
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: totally equal contributions, which is like concepting and then actual
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: like rhyming syllables. So like my memory is that like
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: we were all really concepting, you know, even down to
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: like the name of the bar thing right, You're like, oh,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: that's not the right name, you know what I mean?
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Like that is as that's an equal contribution to like
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: saying the word acupuncture in the song it's like, well,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: what's kind of like one of us being like, yeah,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: well you're taking you're trying to make yourself feel better,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: and you're you know, you're you're shaving your beard or you're.
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: You know, yeah too, like I'm raz ricky about about lines.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that again, I think that, like yeah,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: that the role is one or the other, like David,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: for like in the Dream, you know, you write parts
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: of the song without knowing what you're necessarily writing, and
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: so we were writing what ended up being the bridge,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: which is that crazy run on sentence, which is, uh,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: you know, I know that you want I know if
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: you wanted to call you, would you live in your car?
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: But you say you're in Hollywood, sold your guitar just
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: to pay for that video you sent to the studio.
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: It's all about who you know.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Like that, another one like that too, The really pre chorus.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Is like hard not to feel pathetic, max and out
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: your credit card on someone's beverage.
• 31:36
  Speaker 8: Yes, but again it's like those.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Are all kind of like born of the seed of
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: like we're like, what's a You're like, what's a fucked
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: up thing to do? It's a fucked up thing to
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: make a to do an American.
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: Idol audition, like like.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: And mail that in and like we're talking about like,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: you know the person that we like, you know, you
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: live in LA and everybody has like a distant relative
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: or a friend who like came here with the same
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: dream you had and like did not succeed and is
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: either pretending that they succeeded or they're you know, making
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: it work whatever it is. So like again, a lot
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: of it's like the concept of like yeah, yeah, somebody
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: who lives in their car. Yeah that's good, Okay, well
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: they made a music they maybe they just auditioned.
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: For American Idol. Whatever.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: You're like, do we say American Idol? Do we say
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: like do we make it more vague? We say that
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: video and like talk about so I don't know. To me,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: that's all kind of like writer's room behavior.
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: The one I always pointed David at is we had
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: that like somebody that you've met at the bar, she
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: lives in Venice, And then we had like rhyming that
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: like maybe your dad is a dentist, and then David
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: was like their dad was a tennis star, and we
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: were like we were like, dude, yeah, that was a
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: line I never would have thought of, and it rhymed
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: even better because you're rhyming bar. But it was also
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: just like that's what her dad is. Like the song
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: the premise of that song is like you meet a
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: NEPO baby like you're you moved to La broke as fuck,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: and you go to the bar and there's a really
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: pretty girl who's clearly born a millionaire and you're like,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: let me buy your drink.
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: You're like, don't even have the money, and she no money.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Money is of no concern to this person because her
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: dad is you know, Roger Federer or whatever. It is
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: like for me, I don't know, it was such a
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: better It's the best part of having somebody like David
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: there where you're like, oh, I wouldn't have thought of that,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: and that's even better.
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: It's way better.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: You mentioned like the ideating part of songwriting into and
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: then there's like the separate part, which is like finding
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: maybe like the internal rhymes of a of a song.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Is that something that you both separately? Is that? Is
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: that a pretty tried and true process for the both
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: of you or for necessarily neither of you All the.
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: Time, I think it really changes that I typically I
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: start like smack dab in the middle of a song
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: and and I'll usually find like a lyric that grabs
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: me and then I go from there.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Do you know it's the middle always or is it
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: just turn out to be like the middle?
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: No, sometimes the middle turns out to be the beginning.
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: But in my head, like there's like a freedom to that.
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: There was a song Lake George started that way. I
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: was on a walk. It was the last song that
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: we wrote on the album, and I was staying with
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: Phineas and Claudia and I went on a walk that
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: morning because I'm up, like god awful five am well
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: before them. And I make the joke like my biggest
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: contribution to this band is like all of my best
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: ideas come sort of like alone and on a walk
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: at you know, six or seven, and I was listening
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: to Bookends by Simon and Garfuncle, and you know, the
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: Lake George sounds is nothing like anything on that record,
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: but it just it sparked a same story album.
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: It's like old friend totally.
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, And I brought in like a verse and a
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: chorus to Phineas and we went from there.
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know what the point I was making.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Oh concept, Yeah, I'm going to write not better, but
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: way faster. If I have a concept, if I have
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: like a if I have a thing to build.
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: What do we see it?
• 35:15
  Speaker 9: Yeah?
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the the best example maybe in my life
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: if that was like the Barbie Songvillion I wrote like
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I'd seen the movie. I knew what scene they needed
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: a song for. Like to me, I had like every
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: piece of information to write that, Like I had all
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: the legos you know what I mean?
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: You just like overnight, didn't you.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: We did it in like an hour and it was
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: so fast, but it was because it was so informed.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Like a lot of making a song is very uninformed.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, that's a pretty melody. What are we saying?
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: What's the line?
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: Who is this? Do you know what I mean? It's
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: like a lot of discovery.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: And so if you can get a kind of a
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: you know, foundation under your feet to like be like, oh,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I know where I'm standing, then you can be like
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I can walk that direction and.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: You don't worry that it'll be two on the nose
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: if you already, because then you.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Don't have to because you can still say anything. But
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: it's just kind of the It's just the seed of
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: like what am I? What am I seeing? What am
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: I writing about?
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: You can still say anything is really smart. That's a
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: good quote.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: You don't have to feel locked in. Yeah. Yeah. George
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Ducolius was telling me how he like, you guys, wait
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I saw that. He like, He's like, yeah, it was
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: that's what they want to do it And then I
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: can't watch the movie and then.
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: Like no, that was a good night. He just said it.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: That was a good example of like how I feel
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: like I've I've been rewarded for acting this way, which
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: is like you know, we get put in touch with
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Greta Gerwig, We get sent to I guess Warner wherever
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: we were, and it was like Greta and David Hayman,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: who I'm like, that's the that's that motherfucker from the
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Harry Potter Behind the Scenes DVD because he's produced all
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: the Harry Potter movies. So it's like Hayman, Greta and
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: George with us, and it was like they're again they're
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: being like very effusive and accommodating, you know what I.
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: Mean, like whatever you want to, whatever you want to do.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: And I was like what do you need like what
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: where's the what scene? Do you need a song? Let
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: us do that, you know what I mean? Like I
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: know we could do whatever, but like like let's be
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: handyman for you, you know, so kind of getting her
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: to be like, well, if we could, if we need
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: one song, it's really this one song for this one scene.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: And they're like great, but again it's like you kind
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: of have to let people have to be like I
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: know you're being accommodator to me, but I want to
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: be helpful, like I want to. It's like Ashby, like
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: we need a guitar song for this part, you know
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: what I mean?
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: Like Okay.
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: Great is a really big strength of phineases though, and
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: I think it's he's made me a better writer in
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: that regard because I think that I do have a
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: tendency to find something that excites me, like a lyric
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: or a word or a title, and then I'll just
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: like sculpt away everything that isn't the song, and then
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: you're left with like I know what I was saying,
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: like you kind of let it reveal itself.
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: But those are such great those make such great songs.
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: Some of those are really good songs. But I do think, Yeah,
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: he's made me a better writer, and like, let's figure
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: out what we're talking about and pain, you know.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I mean that's also by virtue of like Ash can
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: do that all day long and write an amazing song alone.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: But if I'm going to be helpful at all, Like
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: what if that one mean?
• 38:17
  Speaker 8: Like you know what I mean?
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're gonna be like that sort of
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: group dynamic of writing well or.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Even just the two of us, Yeah, it's like I'm
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: going to write something stupid if I am not in
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: the same like place that she's in. I've worked with
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: some really talented songwriters who like won't divulge whether whether
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: they know or not, they won't clue me in to
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: what they're to, what they're to why they're saying that line.
• 38:39
  Speaker 9: Has them such a disservice, Yeah, I mean it's self.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Consciousness or it's is that what it is or whatever
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: it like I or vulnerabile or like fuck I like
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I don't want to tell that person that this is
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: what it did. Like I really empathize, but I it
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: makes me like useless, Like I'm like, oh, all right,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: well I can sit here and play guitar for you.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: But I can't come with a good line. I don't
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: know what you're talking about.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Do you even try in those scenarios or do you
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: just kind of no?
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I mean like I'll keep asking questions, but if if
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: they won't tell me, I'm like, all right, dude, like
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: do let me press.
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I've had days with Billy where she's like, you know,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: been that way in the past, years ago. Usually it's
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: before like a breakup, and then you go through the
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: breakup and you're like, right, so.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: You kind of know it's an early tell. You can
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: kind of tell it's well.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: You're it's an early tell that somebody is thinking something
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: that they're not got telling you. I mean, and it's
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: just kind of knowing any friend, anytime you're like, anytime
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: you're somebody's answer is like uncomplicated, like how's how have
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: you been? And they're like I've been great. You're like,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: all right, dude, you if you were a great you
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: can tell me. You could tell me why, you know
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: what I mean, like, oh, this thing has been really
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: fun and I've been really having a great time surfing
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: whatever it is. Somebody's like I've been doing great.
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: You're like, all right, you're lying.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: It makes me feel good because I don't think I
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: ever get a straight answer to question. Everything's everything good?
• 39:59
  Speaker 9: I'm a rambler.
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: I had a session with Tobias Jesser Junior before I
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: really knew him as a person, and I was like,
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: I've never said this out loud, but I think I'm
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: going to leave my husband. Wow, you know, and like
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: that's what writing sessions are really good for, if you're
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: willing to be sort of like vulnerable.
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: And I mean that was a really scary thing to
• 40:21
  Speaker 9: say out loud.
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: But also protected by not knowing him to some degree.
• 40:25
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you strangers for sure.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a trial broadcast in it out.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I said to I work with this girl, Lucy Healey
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: a lot, and she's awesome. She does my jobs like
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: we do the same thing separately, and then we've worked
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: together and I said to her, like five weeks agaus,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Like what do you think it is about us that
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: makes everybody tell us all of their secrets? And you
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: know it's not true universally, but I do think it's like,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: first of all, most people are way less curious than
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: you'd think they are. Most people are like not asking
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: enough questions. Yes, and then I also think that we
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: don't we're not honest with people because of their reactions.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Like we really underestimate how informed we are by reaction.
• 41:04
  Speaker 8: You know what I mean.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: It's like you show your friend the thing you're proud
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: of if you feel like they're gonna see it and
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: acknowledge it, and you know, really to like understand why
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: you're proud of it, you know what I mean? Like
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: you you really are are sort of learned by your
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: reactions to stuff. And I think one of the things
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: that I have really learned from songwriting is like people
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: do low key to sit with you and tell you
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: traumatic stuff that they've been through, or they do what
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Ash did a tobias and they tell you something that
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: they're they've decided they're gonna do. That then is kind
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: of your secret to keep, you know. And I think
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: it's really important to to not really bad an eye,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: you know, to kind of sit there and just be like, Okay,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: you know, thanks for sharing that. You know now I
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: know you more clearly.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: There was I don't know how real it is or not,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: but either in relation to this project or in relation
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: to projects of viewers in the past, I've heard you
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: talked about bringing in non musical references to sort of
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: help shape songs shape.
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: Is that an accurate imagery and stuff imager?
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely when it comes to the visuals. I don't
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: know how much it completely informed our lyricism on this record,
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: but once we've really got into like the meat and
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: potatoes of the album, I was sending pictures of like
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: JFK and Jackie.
• 42:29
  Speaker 9: O, and I was like, this could be us on
• 42:31
  Speaker 9: a sailboat.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Like you sent imagery like before we even wrote songs.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I think I thought you sent imagery so early, which
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I loved, was.
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: Like great, there's definitely a pincher's board of like Paul
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: Newman and I'm like, Phineas is Paul Newman and he's
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: going to start tucking his shirts in and where did yeah?
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: And he looks so you kind of wuldn't look going
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: it's like the casual you know.
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: I think I am a real fan of like bringing
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: people into an entire like mini universe. So when you're
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: listening to an album and you're like, I am so
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: clearly in this world there or not, we were in
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: that world when we were making it. I just think
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: there's something more enticing about a full yeah.
• 43:16
  Speaker 8: An image picture.
• 43:17
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ricky, who plays guitar in our band, is aesthetically
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: motivated like ashes, and I think like his face lights
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: up whenever I talk about like what we're all going
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: to kind of wear for the shows. You know, I'm
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: not saying we all wear this, but I've often been like,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I really want us to look coordinated, like whatever it is.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I want us to really look like a unit. Like
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: to me, that's a band thing. That's the difference between
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: like a solo artist and you know players. It's like
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: if a band really looks like it has a cohesive thing.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: And you know, he has such good references and he's.
• 43:49
  Speaker 9: Like, I'm telling me one of the coolest looking.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Style periods that like I don't know about, you know,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: was the Fairport nineties airport casual and you're like, all right,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: man like like things where you're like wow, okay, but
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: it's all whenever I look it up, I'm like, oh, yeah,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: it's a great that's great looking.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Do you guys land on something?
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have some we have some stuff that I
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: won't I won't you know, speak out of existence here,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: but yeah, always some good pulls.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, if you said it was a nineties
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: airport casualty.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I briefly went down a nineties airport casual thing and
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: it was crazy.
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: What is not that?
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Well, what it's like Woody Harrelson wearing like the loudest
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: letterman jacket in the world and tucking his pants into
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: his socks, and shit, it's quits insane.
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: Phyas asked what I was gonna wear today to this,
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: and I sent him a picture of the outfit, and
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: I was like secretary on lunch, like everything has like
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: its own slogan.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: I have four outfits total in my life, and I
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: use ashes my barometer of like formal verse casual. Right,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: so like of my four outfits, I'm like, how formal
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: are we going? And if she goes formal, I'm alright,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: I'm wearing a suit. And if it's casual, in my god,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I'll wear my shirt.
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: Although it's really cool at a Hyde park, I like
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: he brought me out, which was so sweet in this
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: for singing like sixty thousand people.
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: And he went out in like a.
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: Cool like Marnie, like a Martin.
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: Bin button down and he looked so laid back, and
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: I walked on in this like full sparkle like diva
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: out thing, and like I saw comments that were like
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: they're be thing, Like.
• 45:28
  Speaker 9: They're not, They're not on the same page. I thought
• 45:31
  Speaker 9: we looked so cool.
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: I thought so yeah, but I was like, I'm kind
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: of down whether you think we're fighting.
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: I wore it on. I was like, this will look
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: great with ashes thing.
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah it was, yeah, you were calculating about it. I
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: love that they thought we were fighting.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I hope they always do the level of like meta
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: narrative that I feel like, yeah, you know, fans build
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: around like I mean, not even particularly you guys, you
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: can talk about all artists about herself.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: No, I mean I feel like probably you know, through
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: all of time, but I think certainly in the last
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: several years, like it's we talked about you know, Kendrick,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: but it's all rap beef, Like Olivia Rodrigo's first album
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: is rap beef, like it's the we and what I.
• 46:17
  Speaker 8: Say by rap beef, we say out loud what I
• 46:20
  Speaker 8: what I say.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: About that is like what what we want from rap
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: beef is oh, I know who they're singing about?
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: Do you know what I mean?
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: And that's really what kind of is the motivator, and
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: in most popular music is like oh shnap, I know
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: that that song is about that guy that's now dating
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: that person. Like there is a lot of with like
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: it's we've really we're invested in it, you know, And.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I guess it's the rumors playbook too.
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: Well, you've really all been going around for a long time.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I mean I think that, you know, our relationship with
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: artists on social media platforms is exacerbated. We can pick
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: apart rumors in retrospect. But like when rumors came out,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: they didn't they didn't know that that was what was
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: going on. They just were like, wow, great songs, they
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: sound in love, you know what I mean? And then
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: like you you dissect it years later, but now it's
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: in real time.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: In in real time, Like how like does that impact
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: how you guys feel about stuff when you put it out,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: because it's like as soon as something comes out, there's
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: no like gestation.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Pulling crazy, Like anytime I work on a project and
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: I send somebody something and they react instantly, you know,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: they have a note or something, I'm like, motherfucker, sit
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: on it.
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: Sit on it for a day, like you know what
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: I mean? Yeah.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: How often are you like shown something and you love
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: it immediately. Stuff takes time to like process and.
• 47:37
  Speaker 8: Absorb, you know.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I'm more like like sometimes someone sends me something nothing
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: for it.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: I mean more of the story, which is Ash's biggest
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: song like a year later started to blow up, which
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: to me is a real testament to like, what's the
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: story on that. Well, the story is that it was
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: being underserved by a label, which is true of most
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: music in the world, you know, even great labels.
• 47:59
  Speaker 8: It's like it's starless.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Songs didn't even get on like New Music Friday on
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Spotify when it came out. This was back in the
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: period of time where I felt like playlists were kind
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: of the the top dog and using discovery. Now it's
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: not true anymore, but it was, and so it just
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: was like underserved. Everybody that would hear it was like,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: this is an awesome song. I'd go to her shows
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: and like that. Everybody loved the song, but it just
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: wasn't exposed. And then it got amazing sync in a film,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: a Netflix film, and so then it was really had
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: good exposure.
• 48:30
  Speaker 8: I mean, people still had to do legwork. They still
• 48:32
  Speaker 8: had to like.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Like the scene in the movie and go look up
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: the song, but they did, you know, and then it
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: started to get really popular.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Are thinks the main driver now is that the no
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: no they help?
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sinks totally help, but people are everybody's viewership is
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: still fright there.
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: Is feels like the main driver is rap beef yes,
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: And I think that you know there. I think Phineas
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: and I both went into this going like we know
• 48:58
  Speaker 7: what they're gonna do with.
• 48:59
  Speaker 8: This project, Like, yeah, they're gonna think where Stevi Nixon.
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: Also, we're like, there isn't a lot of what we
• 49:07
  Speaker 7: created with the Favors isn't happening a ton like almost
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: like there's like a really specific lane that we stepped
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: into that like we knew there was gonna be the
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: Fleetwood Mac comparisons and all of that, and I that's okay.
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: I think I really like. It wasn't until Little Mess
• 49:29
  Speaker 7: came out that we were like, oh oh, because we
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: both we were in New York doing press before Little
• 49:37
  Speaker 7: Mess came out. We're sitting on your couch and we
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: were like, people are probably gonna, you know, create a
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: narrative for us. How do we feel about that? And
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: how are we going to respond, and we were very
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: casual about it and we were very like, you know,
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: it'll be what it's going to be.
• 49:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah, we'll see how it goes. And then little mess came.
• 49:54
  Speaker 8: Out and it was like yeah, it was extreme.
• 49:57
  Speaker 9: An initial like sort of uh yeah.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: I think that the difference is like, if we were
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: both single, I'd probably feel like no desire to defend anybody,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean. I'd be like, well, whatever,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: we are just friends. But they can think whatever they
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: want whatever. But I think the fact that we're both
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: in like really long committed relationships, not only do I
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: have a desire to like be like, no, you guys
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: don't understand John Ash's fiance. I love John like that
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: everything is everything is great. We love that guy. Claude
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: and I are great. Like not only do I have
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: that element of it, but I also think that like
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: I don't want people to think that we're scumbags when
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: we're not, you know what I mean, Like, I think
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: that's kind of more than any Yeah, I think that
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: more than anything else. You're like no, no, no, no, don't
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: think that we're like bad people or you know, not
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: that not that you're a bad person. If you have
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: an affair, but don't think we're don't think we're doing
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: an illicit thing.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: It's more fun too, by the way that it's not, well,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: it's more it's definitely safer.
• 51:00
  Speaker 8: It's definitely like gonna make our careers longer.
• 51:04
  Speaker 9: You know what I mean, Like, there's no maybe our
• 51:06
  Speaker 9: lives longer.
• 51:07
  Speaker 8: Oh my god.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: I was having some covers with somebody the other day
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: about somebody else that I will not name, and I
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, I mean they're you know, they
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: don't talk. And they were like why And I was like, well,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: they had an affair. And they were like why don't
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: they talk?
• 51:18
  Speaker 8: And I was like, what do you mean they had
• 51:20
  Speaker 8: an affair? Dude?
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Like there is no like, it is so rare to
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: do a destructive thing and then salvage any form of
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: your relationship after that, you know what I mean. Like, yeah,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: even if you're the people having an affigure like that,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: you're it's gonna be bad, you know what I mean? Yeah,
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean again, it's like I think somebody
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: said they were like, it's you guys, but it's not
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: you guys, Like it really is like the it's the
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: same to me as your music video persona Right. Ash
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: stars in an Ash music video. She's tap dancing, there
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: are backup dancers whatever. There's like an interesting narrative thing.
• 51:56
  Speaker 8: It's not really her, but it is really her.
• 51:58
  Speaker 9: Right, It's kind of like how we are when we're live.
• 52:01
  Speaker 8: That's exactly what I'm saying.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, the Hudson music video, which I love, is
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: like we're running around New York. We're holding hands, we're
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: into each other, We're dancing on top of a chest set.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Like it's not us, it is us because we're singing
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: the song and it's us in the video and we're friends.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: But it's like it's it's fulfilling and narrative kind of
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: like we're talking about in all things. It's like you're
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: really trying to like show people the narrative that the
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: song is articulating.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one last break and we're back with Phineas and
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Ash of the Favors. I want to pick back up
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: the Hudson threat, but I want but before moving too that,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I want to go back to like what you said earlier,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: which is that like you you step, you guys both
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: step squarely into like a genre. Yeah, I was shocked
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: how little that's actually happened, like outside of like Johnny
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Cash and like June Carter, I've done some stuff or
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: like Tammy Wynette and like George Jones, like you know,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: but there's it's like it's a lot of country, and
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: then it's like Fleetwood, Mandi Gaga and Tony Bennett Lady
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: like like straight up you well yeah, yeah, right, yeah, right,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: there's those, there's those and yeah, and then there's like
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: one off do you know, like one offs like you know, but.
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, like Islands in the Stream, Yeah, exactly, the duets
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: that have been famously famous, but but a.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Whole album like like in the Civil Wars and Fleetwood
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Mac and you know, there's probably others that. I mean,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: like this is like the Marias are in that boat
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: right now. There's like Josh and Maria both singing and writing,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: and she's really the singing, you know, ninety percent of it.
• 53:40
  Speaker 7: But that was another important thing I think to Phineas
• 53:43
  Speaker 7: and I was we didn't want it to just be
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: like a duet record, you know, we wanted to be
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: sort of like parallel singing with each other and either
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: in unison or harmony. But if we're in harmony, you're
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: not really sure who's doing the harmony and who's doing
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: the lead, like that was an important piece of us
• 54:02
  Speaker 7: creating it.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not even sure you sure who's doing that like
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: in the songs, like who's doing what narratively unless you
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: really focus maybe on like the pounds, but if you
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: just sort of were just kind of letting it wash over.
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: There's a crazy TikTok that went viral of us singing
• 54:16
  Speaker 7: Till Forever Falls Apart and the camera's only on me,
• 54:20
  Speaker 7: but it's you singing, and everyone's like, oh my god,
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: I thought she is the like the boyish, But yeah,
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: I think it's a cool We do blend really nicely too.
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: That that was like a stroke of luck being good
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: friends that sound good together.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, how did the whole thing come together?
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: And how did like the favors? How did like you know,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: obviously you guys have collaborated to degree before.
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, the real impetus was I was taking
• 54:54
  Speaker 7: a pretty big like musical hiatus, uh and was very
• 55:01
  Speaker 7: unsure about returning to making music again, and for for
• 55:06
  Speaker 7: loads of reasons, for out reasons, for you know, being
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: a little disillusioned by the music industry, or entertainment industry,
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: but also just like not having dealt with serious trauma
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: in my.
• 55:20
  Speaker 9: Life, YadA YadA.
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: So I took I was like Goodbye World in February.
• 55:26
  Speaker 9: Of twenty twenty three, yep.
• 55:31
  Speaker 7: And like two months into that, like therapy and whatnot,
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: I started like what can I be creative in other ways?
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: And I started writing this like script that was about
• 55:46
  Speaker 7: a band, and I was like, what they like, imagine
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: there's these two characters and they're going on this whatever
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: we want to start it by blah blah blah blah
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: blah blah. And then I was like, I know nothing
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: about writing scripts. For one, so you're an idiot. And
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: for two, I've never been in a band. So if
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: I want to be a writer, if I should read more,
• 56:09
  Speaker 7: and I need to start a band and like probably
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: fulfill that.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: I've written some scripts to and I've read so few
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: of them that like when I'm writing, I'm like exterior, I.
• 56:19
  Speaker 8: Guess like like.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: I'm like god light, Yeah.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: I always jokes anytime anyone's like are you going to
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: write a book? Ever, I'm like I'd have to read
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: one first, Like like there's like like I'm good at
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: making music because I love listening to music, you know
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: what I mean, like, yeah, sorry, that's the thing I
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: love Alison.
• 56:39
  Speaker 7: I sort of was like, that's a dumb idea. Why
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: am I trying to do that? And then I hit
• 56:44
  Speaker 7: Phineas and was like, hear me out? You know, do
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: you want to try this thing with me? And it
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: was such an immediate yes.
• 56:53
  Speaker 9: Do you want to start a band? I was like,
• 56:55
  Speaker 9: hear me out.
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: We start a band and we we put out one
• 57:01
  Speaker 7: album or whatever we write, we cut, that's the album.
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: We put it out, play a week or two a
• 57:08
  Speaker 7: show and call it a day. And you know, he
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: replied all caps like yes please, and then this solves
• 57:17
  Speaker 7: all my problems, which is really sweet. And six months
• 57:21
  Speaker 7: later we were making the album.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: What made you so receptive to it at that point
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: because you, in my mind, you'd collaborated with more people
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: than you like when I went to back, was like, yeah.
• 57:33
  Speaker 8: Not that ba.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Actually the collaboratord that as many people as I thought,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: And so it.
• 57:35
  Speaker 9: Is, you know, like why do you take a chance?
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Uh love ash like loved you know the idea of
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: getting to work with her more.
• 57:44
  Speaker 8: It sounded so fun.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: I think it was so kind of like even though
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: it wasn't, it felt so sort of like clearly conceived.
• 57:54
  Speaker 8: I was like, oh, I can picture that.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Obviously I pictured you know, you can't like I didn't
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: picture the twelve songs we ended up with and whatever.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: But I was like, oh, I can see that. I
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: can see loving that, I can see you thinking that's great.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: And it was also like one of those things where
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: like the other rule is like say yes to the
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: thing you'd be jealous of if somebody else did it.
• 58:15
  Speaker 8: You know, yeah, for sure.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: I mean like that's been you know, not to toot
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: our own horn, but like the last year of kind
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: of like when it's been wrapping up and I've told
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: some people about it, they're like, damn, yeah, that's really cool,
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: I think because it just scratches a lot of like
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: the itch of why all of us do this. Like
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like the album is called The Dream,
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: but like the dream that we all kind of had
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: in like high school was like, dude, if me and
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: my best friends were in this band and then we
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: got to play whatever, you know, Austin City Limits or something,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: and like, yeah, you make these sort of compromises along,
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: like like the you know has it been a complete
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: dream come true that I've gotten to like do all
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: this stuff with my sister.
• 59:02
  Speaker 8: Oh my god. Yes, it's been the best thing in
• 59:04
  Speaker 8: the world. And I love working with her. I'll work
• 59:06
  Speaker 8: with her until I die.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: I love working with her, to touring with her all
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: those years, I didn't have the mental capacity to picture
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: that growing, you know what I mean, when I'm fifteen,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Billi's eleven, right, I'm not like.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Dude, no one's.
• 59:22
  Speaker 8: Well, it's just like too hard to imagine.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: If somebody said, like, would that be cool to you,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, of course that'd be cool to me.
• 59:27
  Speaker 8: I didn't know that was an option. Yeah, you know.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: But what I like, I always joke like my high
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: school dreams were like I want my band to open
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: for a band that plays the fond of Theater in
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: LA just like twelve hundred people.
• 59:38
  Speaker 8: That's like how big my dreams were. They're very small.
• 59:40
  Speaker 8: Sounds awesome, you know.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: And again, so I think I think telling people over
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: the past year like, well, yeah, and I like, are
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: going to start a band and it's got a band name,
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: and we're just going to do like cool one off
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: shows kind of We're not going to like hit the
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: road hard. We're going to do like just some shows,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: and it's been really fun, and so I think people
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: in there it's the same way I felt when I
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: when she invited me to do it, I was like, Oh,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: that sounds fun and cool. And then to be honest,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: like everybody I've played the record for, whether it's like
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: people in the label business or like you know, like
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Paul Cartwright who played the strings on the album, like
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: they really I think that we had so much fun
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: making it that they just get it, like they hear
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: it and they're like, oh, yeah, like it. It's taken
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: no translating time. I've been making this analogy to Ash
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: for a few months now that like what I've tried
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: to do several times in my career is like the
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: music equivalent of like when you go to a fancy
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: restaurant and you're not quite sure what you're eating, but
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: it's good, right. They're like, there's an emulsifier and this
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: you're and like you end up eating like two dollars.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: There's like a doll up of this and like a
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: strange cracker that looks like a daisy and.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 8: You're like wow, and you take a bite and you're like,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 8: I'm not.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Even sure what that is, and I think I like
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: it and I know this is nice and interesting, but
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: it takes the time. And then maybe a month later
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: you're like that restaurant was really good, Like that was crazy, but.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 8: It's such an adjustment yep.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: And I always joke that, like what we've made is
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: like this is spaghetti and it's marinera and there is
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: fresh basil, and you're like, I love spaghetti, dude, Like
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: there's a kind of a like straight but it might
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: not be the most original, never been done before thing,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: but it's like you're you like this, like this is
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: jeans and a T shirt, Like this is.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: It has been done, so like I said, it was surprised,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Like so it felt like it had been done much
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: more than it hadn't hadn't. But the band thing, of course,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: has been done. But it also feels like the band
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: thing is a bit of a it's like we're a
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: little far away from it, you know, at this point,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like if you.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 7: Want to be successful, don't start a band, Like no
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 7: one would have probably recommended it, but good thing, we
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 7: were doing it in total secret. You know, we didn't
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 7: you know, tell any in one of the public We had,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 7: didn't tell our managers. We were very very private about
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 7: the whole thing. And really the people that Phineas brought
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 7: in to the secret was David and Ricky, you know,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: who became the.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 8: Part of it.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and it was so safe.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: And the other magic of a band name too, is
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: it takes a little bit of the identity away in
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: a fun way where you're like, oh, like, are you
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: guys the Favors And you're like yes, and you're like,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: is are David and rat part of the Favors? You're like, yeah,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Like it's a band, you know what I mean, Like
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: the like it's sort of yeah, it's us on the cover,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: but it's like that's the fun part about a band
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: in general, you know.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, absolutely, The Hudson We've talked a lot about
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: la kind of feel like geographically and you're in Nashville,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: and I feel like some of that was brought to bear.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: So The Hudson is a bit of a one of them.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: It's a gorgeous song on the album Love It.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of New York on this record. I
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: mean Lake George is in New York. Times Square, Jesus
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: is New York. Home Sweet Home is a bar on
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: the Lower East Side, So it's a lot of New York.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: It's more New York than Lam.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 7: But it's interesting because we wrote them you know album
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 7: and did it all and in La and it does
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 7: have this very New York identity to it. And I
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 7: think like Phineas and I both have a very like
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: sweet and romantic, you know relationship with New York. Like
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: my first trip to New York, I was like falling
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: in love with a guy that was an alcoholic and like,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 7: oh my god, it was like not very good to.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 9: Me, and like and then that's it. The city became
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 9: that for a while.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: And then I went with someone I was in a
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 7: good relationship with and I loved, and it became you
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: know so And I think similarly, you.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Had told me that my school girlfriend moved away to
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: New York to go to college, and so I had
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: such a like young and immature feeling of like choosing
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: this pert, you know, choosing this place over choosing like
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: any semblance of a you know, relationship With me, I
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, you're moving away from your
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: whole life and and me as part of it.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 9: And New York is your David's brother.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 8: Oh, I was like.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Mad at New York, the city, mad at it, you know,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: And then I'd like go to New York in that
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: chip on your shoulder way of like this isn't so special,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: you know which of course it is, dude, New York
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: is the best. Yeah, but like, well the best is strong.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 8: It's amazing. It is an amazing city.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: And I think that, like again, it's a testament to
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: like our relationships with people informing our relationships with places.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, like Ash is my Nashville friend. Like I
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: go to Nashville, Like, yeah, I get to see Ash.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know how I feel about Nashville. I
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: just know I like the person that lives there, so
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: I get to hang out with her. It's like, you know,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: these places are informed by your history with them. La
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: for me, California for Ash, Like I grew up there.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like my whole life is informed the way
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: I feel about LA. Yeah, you know, so it's easy
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: to write about LA. It's where I've lived my whole life.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 8: But yeah, New York is a kind of a ghost story.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: And you were at least partially raised San Jose. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: fully raised San.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: Jose, fully raised and mine times there till nineteen and
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 7: then I went to college in Boston, so and then
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: Nashville was my first like pit Stock.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 9: But after college, you.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Still do you feel connected to San Jose.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: Still California nor you know, no, none of my family
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 7: is there anymore. They all left and people divorced and
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 7: family died, and you know, there's not like a sweetness
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 7: to it anymore. La feels more like home in California,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 7: and now I live there for eight years. Yeah, so
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 7: and my like two of my closest friends live here
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 7: and there's Phineas and like, yeah, it's a different I
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 7: have a different relationship with La now than the old home.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: But also I mean an album, there's kind of like
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: the three there's like the three places that you just
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: keep having to go to, Like we had to go
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: to New York and do a bunch of Romo, which
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: is fun, but like somewhere you have to go to
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: go to, like London, which we just did too. There's
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: like it is it is like there's no right place
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: to live when you're making an album because you to
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: go to the other place.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 9: Don't have to go to Nashville.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: I guess if you're not making a country record, you
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: kind of don't go to Nashville. But it's the same
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Dell Or You're you're always kind of pulled off to
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: do some other thing.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 7: But you know, all the storytellers in Nashville like want
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 7: us there, Like.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 8: We should go. Yeah, at some point.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: I want to ask about one more song and then
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: and then I want to ask you guys to play
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: the Hudson.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 8: That's right.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: I am ordinary people. It's an outlier on the records.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Or and you guys went full jazz, which was like awesome.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 7: I loved it the first song, like I you brought
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: in this and I brought on the Hudson.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 9: But we sat on your.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: Couch and wrote ordinary people in like now like my memories,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: Like we sat on the couch writing ordinary people. Wall
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Claudia like put on her Halloween costume. Wow, before we
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: going to a Halloween party.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah, baking in olive cake for us or something.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: That sounds like the scene of the song.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: But I mean that was the part about making the
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: whole record was it was little vignette after little vignette
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: of like.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 8: Oh, let's all go sit by the pool, and.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, it had a real kind of atmosphere,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: which I liked because sometimes like the thing that has
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: kept me out of traditional music studios, it's like, yes,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: there is an atmosphere, of course, but like it is,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: it is different from real life, and I like the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: atmosphere of like, yeah, we're my dog is in the
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: living room with me, and I'm kind of on the
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: couch thinking about that and getting my head straight. So yeah,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: the jazz song, I think, was like what if we
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: wrote a little jazz song and then kind of did
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: that cal in response like maybe it's cold outside thing and.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you crack up during.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: On mike, which was fun, and it was a live take. Yeah,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: and then we re recorded it and I was like, no,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: the live take is so great. Just put out the
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: live take. But yeah, I mean that I think that
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: that song, which is totally an outlier, is sort of
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: a like this can be whatever we want and the
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: only thing that we're trying to care about is quality control. Right,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: if we'd written a really bad jazz song, we'd be like,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: all right, well we'll cut that, fine, we'll put that,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: we'll take that off. But it was just kind of
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: had like a joy to it that. I was like,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: this is cute and.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 9: Kind of literally giggle.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: It's kind of a bite of ginger, you know, it's like, oh,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: it's a little palate cleanser in the middle of this record.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: That's pretty Like that's not a heartbreaking song at all.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: That's a very sweet, lovey, dovey, super sweet song. Yeah,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: what's that line of like you say we're no good
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: for each other, you're too selfish for a lover, which
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: I think is so funny. And oh and then uh,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: don't worry, I'll be early. I'm not ready.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 8: It's cute too, but I'll wait. Yeah, I'll just wait.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 8: But I don't know.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: It was just like a really cute like that again,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Like so in that fictional vein of like these are
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: like who are these characters and what are these moments?
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: And how do we build this kind of you know aesthetically.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I want, I wanted. It made me. I fell in
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: love with those characters.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 9: Cool, I'm not you know, I love them. Yeah, I
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 9: think they're really special.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: There's a there's a a lyric on the Hudson she
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: want to ask you guys to play that like to me,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: like just I didn't hear it the first couple of
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: times I listened, but there's like, you know, after a
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: handful of times, I don't know what I believe. Have
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: faith in me? Or I don't know what I believe
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: have faith in me.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 8: I put my trust only truth.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: The only truth I know is you, the only truth
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: I knows You.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 8: Great Ash line man, that that's you. Yeah, the whole
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 8: song is Ash. It's so great.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 7: Well second versus a Phineas but the you know, my
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 7: couplet on the balcony, I catch a I gave you
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 7: my coat to sit on the balcony. I'd catch a
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 7: cold if it keeps you. That's not the most Phineas
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: ass lyric.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 8: It's a great line too, but such such great lyrics.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I like heard a joke, not joke.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 9: That's like every great song is a worship song. And
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 9: I was like whoa.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 7: And then they were like kind of talking about the
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 7: Hudson in that context, and I was like, oh shit,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 7: we do say I don't know what I believe.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 9: Please have faith in me. The only truth I.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: Know is you.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's kind of religious.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 9: Could sing it in church maybe, yeah, sure, But yeah.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 8: That was like the one of the first lines as
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 8: played for me was like the like.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: The trees were bearing naked and so we.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, that's such a like that
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: has so much feeling to me in it and it
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: kind of comes out of nowhere, which.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 8: I really liked.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: Two old strangers sharing really personal things. I was like,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 7: I'm a good Songwriter's that.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 9: I was really proud of that one.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 8: That's a great yeah on your Paul Simon. Shit, it's
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 8: awesome that you know.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: That made me think of still crazy after all these years.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: You know, I saw an old love on the street.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like insane, you know, but I mean
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: obviously wasn't like but it's just was like, oh my gosh,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: this is this is really there's just yeah, amazing stuff.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 8: Should we close it out with the song, it'd be great.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 8: Let's do it great.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: Thanks you will lay for the last train home. We
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: had away losing track of time. The trees were bare
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: and they get and so we too, old strangers sharing
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 6: really purse and all things.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: Lost. The sun is send on the Hudson. He touched
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: my head and kissed you.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Then.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: Said you forgot how good I found on your lambs.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: I thank god.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 9: I hope you man.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know where I belong Iho n Noney's gone.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: I've got nothing bad.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know what I believe. Please have faith in me.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: You only truth I know is you.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: Took my com Sit on the balcony. The cats are cold.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: If it keeps you all.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 7: Lake was frogs in and so will we.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: We won't know. We won't make it to screaking.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: I don't know where along ohout even known as gone.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: I've got nothing bad. I don't know would I believe?
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 5: Please have faith in me. You'll meet choose?
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: I know issue, It's me back here year from now.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: Maybe then it works out. I'm trying not to think
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: value and you a calm December and come the storm.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: Fall back into my house, walk the hadsome back to.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: I don't know where all belong about hell, the known
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: is gone.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: I've got nothing my you. I don't know what I believe.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: Please have faceing. The only choose I know?
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: Is you? The only choose?
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: Hello? Is you.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: The only truth? A no issue.
• 1:14:55
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