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Wired To Hunt Podcast #163: Goals, Hopes and Hitlists for 2017 · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. This is episode number one Tay
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  Speaker 1: in the show, Dan and I are diving into an
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  Speaker 1: in depth discussion of our goals, our hopes, and our
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  Speaker 1: hit lists for the two thousand seventeen hunting season. All right,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you
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  Speaker 1: by Sick of Gear. And today we had a great
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  Speaker 1: guest lined up for our episode. Um, but something came up.
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  Speaker 1: He was not able to join us. So you are
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  Speaker 1: stuck with just me and Dan, and ership goes straight. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be good though, Dan, I promise, because if
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  Speaker 1: anybody can sit and b s, it's you and me.
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  Speaker 1: I think if if if there's anyone I know, I
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  Speaker 1: think we can pull it off. Um. But it kind
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  Speaker 1: of works out well because just before we start a
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  Speaker 1: record um, the original planned episode, I was thinking, man,
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  Speaker 1: I want to get one of our You know, in
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  Speaker 1: the past years we've always done an episode that I've
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  Speaker 1: kind of titled Goals, Hopes and hit Lists, where like
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  Speaker 1: just before the season we talk all about our all
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  Speaker 1: those three things, the hit list, the goals, the hopes, etcetera, etcetera. UM,
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  Speaker 1: so this could be a good opportunity to do that.
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  Speaker 1: We could dive into detail on all of our thoughts
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  Speaker 1: of the upcoming season, specific goals. UM, talk more about
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  Speaker 1: some of the deer we're after, UM, some of our
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  Speaker 1: plans and stuff. And I don't know kids. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you like to talk about your kids and you talk
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  Speaker 1: about that. What do you think? Does that sound good?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doubt you know me, man, I'm down for absolutely whatever. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well you said that a lot in college, didn't you. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's why. That's that's why I'm in the position that
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  Speaker 1: I'm in sometimes. So UM, so I have some interesting
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  Speaker 1: news to share. UM, I can tell you some I know.
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  Speaker 1: I already know what it is because you already told me.
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  Speaker 1: So you're gonna tell the Wired to Hunt Nation, right,
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  Speaker 1: But there's a little part of me that hates you
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  Speaker 1: for what you're about to say. Don't don't hate me, Dan,
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  Speaker 1: don't well, I don't hate you. I don't hate you,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll tell you what it is. Awesome, UM, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited about it. UM And if it helps
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  Speaker 1: it all. I kind of hate you every time you
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  Speaker 1: show trail camera pictures of bucksing on Iowa. So this
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  Speaker 1: is like we're even out a little bit yet. So
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  Speaker 1: so what you already know what I'll share with everybody
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  Speaker 1: else is, um, my hunting plans for the September have
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  Speaker 1: gotten changed a little bit. Um So, like we talked
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  Speaker 1: about the past, I was planning on going to Montana. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm in Montana right now, but I was planning on
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  Speaker 1: hunting here for anelope and whitetail the first week of September,
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  Speaker 1: and then going to North Dakota and hunting white tails
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  Speaker 1: the second week of September. Well, I got an email
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  Speaker 1: last week with an invitation for a different plan for
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  Speaker 1: the first week of September. Um, so I am going
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  Speaker 1: to be going on an Alaskan caribou hunt with Steve Rinella. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm gonna go gonna go to the Great
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  Speaker 1: White North to Alaska. We're gonna chase in caribou, We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be out in a kind of central the kind
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  Speaker 1: of around the Alaska Range, and um, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a heck of an adventure on the Alaska Range. The
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  Speaker 1: Alaska Range is way up there, right, So that's the
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  Speaker 1: Brooks Range is the far northern range. The Alaska Ranges
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  Speaker 1: is more along the southern not far southeast, but kind
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  Speaker 1: of the southern interior. I'm not I'm not exactly sure
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  Speaker 1: of where we're going yet, but somewhere in that central
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  Speaker 1: South type of region. Um, it's Alaska. That's all I know.
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  Speaker 1: So what happened? What do you call you up and go, Mark?
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  Speaker 1: Do you want to go to? Uh? Yes, Basically before
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  Speaker 1: you could even say Alaska, you're like, yeah, yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: needn't say no, say no more. I'm in right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm stoked. Like I you know, like we talked
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  Speaker 1: about earlier this year, I was already I was thinking
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  Speaker 1: about trying to do a caribou hunt. Um, me and
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  Speaker 1: my buddy Andy were thinking about trying to go this fall,
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  Speaker 1: and then like the logistics just got really difficult and
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think I could pull it off this year,
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  Speaker 1: So I bailed on that and and then decided to
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  Speaker 1: do the white Tail trip out west. Uh. Then this
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  Speaker 1: kind of just dropped out of nowhere, which is perfect. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I'll get to learn from the best and then maybe
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  Speaker 1: a future years I'll be able to play my own trip,
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  Speaker 1: but this is gonna be a really awesome introduction to
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  Speaker 1: Alaska and you know Steve then Jannae and all the
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  Speaker 1: guys over there. Great, so it'll be fun too, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I h caribou with it bo uh is
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  Speaker 1: definitely on my bucket list for sure. Yeah, it's well,
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember. I think you were on the episode.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you had to leave earlier. But were you on
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  Speaker 1: our episode with the Honest Patelis last year? You were? Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I think you had to leave at the very end,
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  Speaker 1: because the very end I asked him, I was like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I want to do my first Alaska trip next year,
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  Speaker 1: what would you recommend? And his recommendation of like any like,
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  Speaker 1: if you want the ultimate Alaska experience and you can
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  Speaker 1: only pick one thing, the probably the best of it
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  Speaker 1: all would be trying to a caribou hunt because you
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  Speaker 1: get to see so much terrain, you get to see
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  Speaker 1: so many animals. It's like a very true Alaska experience.
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  Speaker 1: So it just it worked out kind of cool that
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  Speaker 1: I got the invite to do just that. So it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna make my white tail, It's gonna make my white
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  Speaker 1: tail trip a little bit more of a challenge now
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  Speaker 1: because I'm gonna basically the first week first, like eight
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  Speaker 1: nine days in my trip that I have kind of
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  Speaker 1: bucketed out to be out west is now going to
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  Speaker 1: be caribou. So I'm gonna be left with like seven
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  Speaker 1: or eight days to try to fill a Montana antalop tag,
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  Speaker 1: which which I did draw finally. Um So, Montana analop tag,
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  Speaker 1: Montana white tail tag in the North Dakota white tail
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  Speaker 1: tag all in like seven days, right, So I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how that's that's a good problem to have, man, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can't complain, um because hopefully I'll have a filled
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  Speaker 1: cariboot tag already in my pocket and in my freezer,
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  Speaker 1: so I can you. My wife's mad at me though,
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  Speaker 1: She's like, I don't know what the heck you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: do with a caribou mountain her house, our house is
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  Speaker 1: big enough for that. You have to build a barn
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  Speaker 1: to put all this stuff in. Um So, again, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, a good problem to have. I'll tell you what,
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  Speaker 1: Unless it's an absolute giant caribou that you that you harvest, um,
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  Speaker 1: you could just do a skull amount. Well, that's the
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  Speaker 1: next year elk next to my elk. That's what I'm
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  Speaker 1: like debating, is like, Okay, do I do? Do I
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  Speaker 1: get a shoulder mount? Because the cariboo is like, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I've ever got to
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  Speaker 1: get to hunt a caribou again. Um, this could be
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  Speaker 1: a once in a lifetime thing. I don't know. And
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  Speaker 1: there's such a beautiful animal. So it's like, do I
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  Speaker 1: get it done right? Um? Or you know, but that
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  Speaker 1: does then add this whole That's a good point, but
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  Speaker 1: more challenge, right because now we gotta get it caped
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  Speaker 1: in the field, and we got to bring that all
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  Speaker 1: back and I don't know, I think the logistics of
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  Speaker 1: you know, bringing all that kind of stuff back to
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  Speaker 1: the state or back to them, I don't know. There's
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  Speaker 1: just a lot of logistics were trying to get all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff from Alaska back to Montana, from Montana back
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  Speaker 1: to Michigan. Um. Yeah, so I don't know, I gotta
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  Speaker 1: I think some of those Yeah, I think some of
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  Speaker 1: those logistical problems are one of those we'll cross it
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  Speaker 1: when we get their type of deals. I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: obviously on a trip like that, you gotta plan at
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  Speaker 1: some point. But I think, uh, I think you know,
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  Speaker 1: A we shoot it, all right, what do you want
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  Speaker 1: to do? I want to. I want to I want
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  Speaker 1: to keep it out and keep it okay. Um, they drive,
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  Speaker 1: you know, take it back into town, give it to
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  Speaker 1: a taxidermist. He'll do the work and then ship it
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  Speaker 1: to you. If we're an ungodly amount. Yeah, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: there's gonna be some some high costs with getting all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff back. But like you said, again, that's a
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  Speaker 1: good problem to have, right because if I'm dealing with
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  Speaker 1: that problem means that I just shot a caribou, which
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  Speaker 1: uh man, I just like I'm kind of like I
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  Speaker 1: just you watched these like Discovery Channel specials or something
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  Speaker 1: of like just these herds of hundreds or thousands of
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  Speaker 1: cariboo going across the tundra like I've been like every
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  Speaker 1: Like the other day, I went on a hike. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I did a day hike just by myself. Um, and
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  Speaker 1: it was it was definitely the hardest day hi I've
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  Speaker 1: ever done. But I kind of wanted to see, like
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  Speaker 1: could I do it? Like could It was one of
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  Speaker 1: those things it was like a mental toughness challenge. I
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  Speaker 1: was Okay, there's this hike I wanted to summit this
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  Speaker 1: mountain called static Peak. It would be a seventeen mile trip,
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  Speaker 1: seventeen miles round trip and one day and pushing six
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  Speaker 1: thousand feet of elevation gain. Usually like a two thousand
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  Speaker 1: foot elevation game eight or nine mile hike is like
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  Speaker 1: a serious hike. Um, And I'm gonna try to like
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  Speaker 1: double that. So it's like this is gonna be really tough,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to see if I can do it.
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  Speaker 1: So the whole time I was doing it, all I
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  Speaker 1: thought about was this caribou hunt and just like thinking
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  Speaker 1: about um, just thinking about thousands of caribou coming over
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  Speaker 1: a hill, and like I just gotta keep going, Just
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  Speaker 1: gotta keep going, Just gotta keep going because I gotta
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  Speaker 1: be ready for that trip. Um. So it's it's been
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  Speaker 1: on my mind a lot. I can't stop thinking about.
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  Speaker 1: Just I don't know what's gonna be. Like you're flying,
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  Speaker 1: you know, coming in a bush plane drive, flying in
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  Speaker 1: and just looking over this wide expanse. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Like every time I'm out West, I always
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  Speaker 1: sit and think about, Man, how awesome would have been
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  Speaker 1: out here two years ago? You know when it was
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  Speaker 1: still untouched and wild. But up in Alaska it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like Montana was a hundred fifty years ago. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there's still massive areas just completely untouched. So that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be sweet to see. I'm stoked. I'm I'm literally visualizing
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  Speaker 1: it in my head right now, like it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a movie. Plus you're gonna be with Steve Rinella, so
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  Speaker 1: he's only to document that for his show. I have
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  Speaker 1: a feeling and it's going to be You're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: it forever. Yeah. I don't know what all the details
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  Speaker 1: are of everything yet, but one way or another, it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be. Yeah, You're right, it's gonna be awesome. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to document as much as I can
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  Speaker 1: myself and get lots to get photos and um right
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  Speaker 1: in a journal so I can, like you said, just
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  Speaker 1: I want to remember it all, you know, hopefully it's
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  Speaker 1: something I can do again and again, but you just
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  Speaker 1: never know. I mean, this is a big, big kind
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  Speaker 1: of trip. So absolutely, yeah, I'm so jacked for you.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks dude. I'm pumped. And we'll have some good stories
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  Speaker 1: to talk about here on the podcast too. So so
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  Speaker 1: that's the first week in September, and then that second
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  Speaker 1: week then I'll be doing the Whirlwind tour of North Dakota, Montana,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll have to do a podcast that week, um
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  Speaker 1: while I'm out there hunting, and we'll talk about how
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  Speaker 1: Alaska went and how my trips are going, and hopefully
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  Speaker 1: I'll have a few stories. Absolutely that's my lad this.
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  Speaker 1: So before we go any further, we need to take
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  Speaker 1: a quick break for a word from our partners at
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  Speaker 1: Gear and take a listen to our sickest story today.
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  Speaker 1: So here's producer Spencer new Hearth for this week's Sitka story.
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  Speaker 1: We're joined by Sitka Ambassador Nick Kramer, who tells us
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  Speaker 1: about a thrilling archery brown bear hunt a few years back.
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  Speaker 1: I've head up to Alaska for archery brown bear hunt
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  Speaker 1: was actually my third try to get one, had some
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  Speaker 1: bad luck in the past and um on this hunt,
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  Speaker 1: we were hunting late July, um early August, if I
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  Speaker 1: remember right, and trying to catch the bears on the
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  Speaker 1: salmon because they're cruising up and down trying to trying
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  Speaker 1: to fish. Um. So we basically take positions along the
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  Speaker 1: streams and uh kind of wait for them to come
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  Speaker 1: buy an ambush style approach. Morning evening, I was sitting
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  Speaker 1: there and we were I was just kind of sitting
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  Speaker 1: outside where we had camped. I'm sitting in a little
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  Speaker 1: chair along the river reading the books. Son hit me
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  Speaker 1: pretty hard. I'm kind of dozing in out kind of thing,
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  Speaker 1: and I hear a small snap and kind of look
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  Speaker 1: up and there's a cub brown bear about five feet
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  Speaker 1: away from me, and just everything in me, just all
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  Speaker 1: my senses all at once told me to get up
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  Speaker 1: and head back to camp. So I started hauling all
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  Speaker 1: on the mail back to camp and got their streaming
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  Speaker 1: bear bear bear and guiding buddies that I'm hunting with
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  Speaker 1: her hollering bear, and I didn't quite know if that
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  Speaker 1: style is pretty much on my tail all the way back. Um,
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  Speaker 1: So that was kind of more exciting part of the
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  Speaker 1: hunt at that point. But that same evening set up
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  Speaker 1: in the exact same spot for some reason, Um, sitting there,
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  Speaker 1: my buddy is a guiding me, and uh, just waiting
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  Speaker 1: for bears, and out of nowhere, this brown bear comes
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  Speaker 1: out of the brush along the stream. And I'd seen
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  Speaker 1: a lot of brown bears over the last three years,
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  Speaker 1: and this was bigger and looked different than anything I
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  Speaker 1: had seen in the past. And he's just trudging along
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  Speaker 1: the beach and end up drawing back thirty one yards
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  Speaker 1: put a good shot. He took off down the beach
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  Speaker 1: and made a big roar. Lost sight of him. Guy
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  Speaker 1: Braun turns around, looks at me and said, the dead bear.
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  Speaker 1: And after three years and so many trips up there
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  Speaker 1: and sitting in the pouring rain, my storm front finally
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  Speaker 1: had my brown beard. And it was about the best
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  Speaker 1: feeling in the world. On Nick's hunt, which took place
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  Speaker 1: in Alaska, he was wearing Sika's storm Front rain gear.
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  Speaker 1: good news? You know, I'm just I'm just trying to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like follow that that you're gonna go on
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  Speaker 1: Alaska hunt with. That's like the opener for a rock band,
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  Speaker 1: just really crushing it, and then the then the then
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  Speaker 1: the the main card has to follow that, and god,
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  Speaker 1: who was it? Who was it? This was like in
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  Speaker 1: the late sixties or seventies. Jimmie Hendrix opened for Somebody,
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  Speaker 1: and then after Jimmie Hendrick, Jimi Hendrix played, the other
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  Speaker 1: band didn't want to go out because they knew they
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  Speaker 1: could not they could not do better than what he did.
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  Speaker 1: So they just they just said, screw it, We're not
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  Speaker 1: to perform and we're never gonna play with Jimmy again. Well,
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  Speaker 1: don't hang up on the podcast. Okay, no, dude, but
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  Speaker 1: uh but yeah, I mean that's awesome. But you've got
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  Speaker 1: some big white Tail stuff ahead of you Iowa. Man,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna kill big one this year. I think our
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  Speaker 1: our episode today is about hopes, hit lists, goals, all
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  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I mean, you're in your wildest
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  Speaker 1: dreams this year, dan Um, what would be your wildest
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  Speaker 1: dream coming true in your Iowa white Tail season if
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  Speaker 1: you could like paint the perfect picture. I'm curious to
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  Speaker 1: hear what that would be for the two thousand seventeen season. Right, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I have to throw in some um, throw in some
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  Speaker 1: details that you know often would you know often I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't throw in But because I do have a kid
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  Speaker 1: coming September um or somewhere probably before that, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: say that my wild like my wildest dream if I
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  Speaker 1: could wish the perfect season right now. It would be
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  Speaker 1: that I kill a two buck the very first set
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  Speaker 1: of the year, But that's not obviously that's not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: Would that really be the best situation? Like, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like that'd be a little bit. I mean, yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: would be awesome. Okay, let me let me let me
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  Speaker 1: rewind a bit. Which would you rather do? Because if
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  Speaker 1: that happened, you're hunting seasons done on day one? Would
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  Speaker 1: you rather do that? Would you rarely kill a two
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  Speaker 1: on day one but only hunt one day the whole
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  Speaker 1: season in Iowa? Or would you rather kill a two
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  Speaker 1: buck on like the last day of your rut vacation?
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  Speaker 1: So you've got an all this hunt, you grinded it out,
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  Speaker 1: but then you got the ultimate reward of the end,
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  Speaker 1: Which would you have? Which would you prefer? In the
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  Speaker 1: like in the longer looking back? Yeah, I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna make a movie out of it, obviously the grind,
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  Speaker 1: the grind is what we all come to love and uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and then kill him on the back end.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, I got a very impatient wife at
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  Speaker 1: home too, so I have to make sure that I
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  Speaker 1: cover all the bases. You know, I got three kids,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna have to make sure that the you
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  Speaker 1: know that the all the bases are covered. Maybe you
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  Speaker 1: have some daycare provided. Um, because if you think for
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  Speaker 1: one second that my wife is going to let me
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  Speaker 1: go away and she's gonna take care of an infant
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  Speaker 1: and two basically assholes for for two or three weeks,
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  Speaker 1: you're you're you're out of your mind, and I'd be
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: out of my mind too. So I have to play
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: the cards extremely tight, very conservative. And uh, if I
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: want to maximize my hunting this year, it's gonna have
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: to be with some assistance from somebody else, whether that's
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: my my dad's retired, or if it's uh, you know,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: having to hire a babysitter and come in in the
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: evenings to help take care of some stuff. But uh,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: and at the same time, you know, I don't want
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: to be I mean, I want to I want to
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: hunt as much as possible, and I'm gonna have to
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: hunt closer to home this year. But I also I
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: don't want to be a dick right and have my
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: my passion cause uh uh sadness or unhappiness for somebody else,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: if that makes sense, so yeah, we'll see it's gonna
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: be a play it by your thing, because you know,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: just like every year, it starts off finding Dandy and
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: then you get the text when are you coming home?
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: And then from there it's all downhill. Dude, I know
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I hate that too. It's like, yeah, my situation is
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: a little different, but still like last times, like we
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: talked about this stuff all ahead of time and like,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: okay with this plan. She says, yes, okay with this plane.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: She says, yep, yep, it's all good. It's all good.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I take off, and then like three days in she's
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: like I'm getting like when are you coming home? Why
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: aren't you back yet? That kind of stuff, and exactly
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: what you said you just like my stomach just sinks
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: like gosh, and like I just I get like that
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable feeling. I'm not like the person that is okay
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: with like knowing that she's piste back home at me
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: and like I'm I'm not the type of just like
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I don't care and do my thing like it's just
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: like nawse at me. So like two years ago, when
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I was hunting in Iowa, that kind of situation happened
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: where like I had this plan to be out. I
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: was gonna hunt for two weeks Iowa and Ohio, and
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I thought she was fine with it. But then like
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: four days in the Iowa trip or something, and I've
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: been hunting beforehand and stuff too, Like I could see
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: that i'd like pisted her off somehow, and I could
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: just like tell like I'd be coming home to something
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: kind of gnarly in two weeks if I stayed out
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: there the whole time. So I like bailed. I bailed,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: and I went home for like a day and a half.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I drove home from Iowa, went all the way home,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: and like kind of kind of surprised her, and she's like,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: you're stupid. You shouldn't have come back. I don't really
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: need you back here, Like why did you do that?
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: But I think it was a good thing. Um. I
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: think it helped because then it was it was better
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: after that. But I know that feeling, and you know
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: it's good. I think it's been really good for me
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and for other people to hear about your experiences and
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: like your challenges sometimes trying to balance all this because
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: it's a reality for all of us or most of
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: us at some point, right like unless you're single and
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: have no other obligations. You know, balancing this passion is
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: is one of the most important things. We have to
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: walk that line and figure out a way to make
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: it work for all parties. But it's not it's not easy, right,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing, man, Like the rut is the rut, right,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: and she can go down at any time during the rut,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I mean at a noon at seventy five degrees. I've
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: had encounters with deer, right, So so I just have
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: to make sure that I am playing every hunt as
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: efficient and as optimal as humanly possible. So if the
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: others really hot. And that's why, like looking on a calendar,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I probably won't even see a tree stand if I
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: had to guess, I probably won't even see a tree
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: stand this year until November. I think it's third or fifth,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: somewhere in between there, So I do. Yeah, well, and
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: that pains me. Yeah, but can't you get a babysitter
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: for a couple of times, like in October? Yeah? But
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I mean still I'm not there, right, I mean dad
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and the husband are not there. And as much as
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I want to be out there, have you, I mean,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: have you ever thought about how selfish bow hunting or
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: hunting in general is if you're not doing it with
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: the person. So like, my wife will never be a
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: hardcore bow hunter like me, So I'm not going to
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: be able to share that with her. She can come
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: she hunting with me, she can come trickey hunting with me. Um.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: But if I said, all right, sweetie, um, huge cold
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: front coming through, it's gonna be thirty degrees in this
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: day and we're gonna sit there all day, uh, she
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: would say, no, that will not happen. And and so
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: there's a portion of this this passion that we have
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: that is is really selfish, and we are putting everybody
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: else on a back burner while this one time of
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: year comes around and we kind of drop everything to
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: go do what what our passion is. Now, my wife
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: understands that I have this passion, but even understanding can
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: turn to stress over a period of time, especially when
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: you have of you know, like a variety of things
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: causing the stress, like a crying baby, or you know,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: or your your son dumped eggs all over the floor,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: or your you know, your daughter spilled fingernail polishing all
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: over the carpet. You know, those are easily triggers that stress,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and as that stress starts to build when daddy, you know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: they're literally a single parent, and I can understand that stress.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: But um, that's why I'm trying to get as much
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: help as possible by maybe you getting a babysitter. So
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: but you know, it's kind of it's kind of selfish, No,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I hear you. It's uh, you're right. I mean, it
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: takes any but I mean we all everyone's got their thing,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: everyone's got something that you know, but you gotta balance
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: it and you gotta keep everyone all parties in mind.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: And I know, I know that's a unique challenge. Just
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: bums me out to hear that you're not gonna hunt
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: for the first five weeks this season. But you got,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: you know, you gotta, you know, you gotta, you gotta
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: reap the uh you got what's the word? You gotta
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: sleep in the bed that you made Dan when you
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: when you didn't when you didn't tie things up after
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: two kids. Well, I'll tell you what. Sleeping in the
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: bed I made is the reason why I got. That's
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Oh man in okay, well, so okay,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: So if your dream scenario is killing a two buck
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: on the first day of your season. Then you're saying
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: you're hoping that you would kill a two hondy on
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: like November four or five. Yeah, I mean that's the
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: that's the goal. Is that the goal? Like, Okay, that's
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: not the goal. I mean, that's not the goal. That's
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: the that's the that's the day dream. We all think
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: that's the day dream. Okay. So so let me give
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: you my daydream and then let's talk reality. How about that? Okay? So,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: so my daydream for my season would be to fill
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: every one of my tags, right, so the caribou tag,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: and then in somehow in seven days kill an antelope
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Montana whitetail, drive to North Dquota, killing mature North Daquota
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: white tail, um get home, take a week and a
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: half off for two weeks off, and then October one,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: kill holy Field on opening night of Michigan season, and
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: then have a second Michigan tag. I can fail on
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: public land or my northern Michigan property with my family
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: up there, and I just with one of those, I'd
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: like to kill a three year old holy Field I
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: think's five, So I'd be a three year old and
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: a five yearld in Michigan, and then I have an
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Ohio tag and Ohio would like to kill a four
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: year old. If I could do that, that would be
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Ohio two in Michigan, North Korea to Montana, Alaska Antelope.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: That'd be seven tags. That's my that's my daydream, just
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: to fill seven tags by mid November? Does your does
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: your daydream also include going to home depot to buy
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: an additional freezer for all the meet you're gonna have. Seriously,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: that's that's a very legitimate question. I know I'm not
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: going to fill in nearly any of those. I don't
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a problem I'll have. But again,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: that would be a good problem to have. Um, absolutely,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. In Montana, I do, like we talked
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: earlier this year, like I want to hold out for
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: like a really good deer in Montana. This year, I
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: might change that a little bit just because I'm trying
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: to pack stuff and I might like stick with like
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: a representative. But sure buck still mature buck in both
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: those states. Um. But but yeah, that's it's gonna be
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: a little bit chaotic, kind of crazy. Um, But that's
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: my that's my day dreams. So that's my crazy dream.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I've got one other crazy dream that we've never talked
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: about on the podcast before, And this is just for fun.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Like as you you and I both like you know,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: we we talked about scores of bucks sometimes, but it's
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: not what it's all about for us, of course. That's
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: just kind of a funny thing to look at deer
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: and see what they score and kind of talk about him. Um.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: But you know, my buddy Corey Um, one of my
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: really good buddies here in Michigan that I hunt with
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: a lot, he killed his first boon and crocker buck.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: He killed one seventy when he was thirty years old.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Um in Iowa. This is a few years ago. And
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: when he killed that buck, we always kind of have
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: like a kind of a friendly competition between each other.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I said, all right, then I had to kill booner
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: by the time I'm thirty, so that was like four
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: years ago. I have not killed a booner yet. So
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: this is my last year. In order to meet that bet,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I have to kill booner this year, my thirtieth year season.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: If I don't, Corey wins. So that is my other
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: dream is to try to kill one seventy this year
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: so that Corey doesn't have bragging rights over me. That's
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: kind of funny you say that because on my thirtieth
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: birthday is the day that I hit shipwreck and never
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: found him. Oh yeah, so that that's kind of It's
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: just I don't know. That was kind of crazy. That
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: is thirties, like the year that big things happen. I guess,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: can you believe I'm gonna be thirty. I'm gonna be old, Dan,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be really old. You're gonna You're gonna be old,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: all right, You're gonna be old. Like do you do
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: your knee start hurting immatately upon that day? Oh? Ship dude.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: My knees have been hurt since I was I had
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I've had two knee surgeries, one from football and one
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: from playing rugby, and then like I broke my jaw,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: so like I'm I'm withered. You're your broken parts, all right.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: That's why I gotta get out and do my my
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: western hunts here pretty soon before. Like, unless I'm gonna
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: start taking sky lifts to the top of the mountain,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I'll wheel you around in like a push card or something.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I'm on our next ELF trip, come on dance a
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: little further. Oh man, Okay, um, what do you think
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: about that? My my booner by thirty? Do you think
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I can pull it off? Yeah, you're probably right. Well,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: statistics are against you, right, I mean, I know that
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: there's booners in Montana, there's booners in uh North Dakota,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: there's booners in Michigan. But statistically, statistics are against you.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: But as we all know, statistics don't mean ship in
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the rut. So a hot dog could bring anything by
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: it anytime. Yeah, and and yeah in Michigan, it probably
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: not gonna have in Michigan. I think I think my
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: best chances Ohio, Ohio was a spot where it could have,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: um because I've had I've had a booner on camera
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: down there every year, but our first year, I think,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: um so that there's a legitimate chance there. So and
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: again this it doesn't really matter. I don't really care
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: about score, but it's just kind of a fun challenge
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: to throw out there myself. Everybody talks about it. Everybody
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: talks about it. Um so I might since I've got
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I'm very fortunate right to have all these different opportunities
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: this year, and I'm just like kind of pinching myself
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: and knocking wood and it's it's crazy. I'm very thankful
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: for this opportunity this year to go do a bunch
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: of stuff. Um. So I might, though, be a little
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: more picky and Ohio than usual, just because I can,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: because I've got a bunch of other hunts schedule. So
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to kill the mature buck in Michigan, Montana,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: North Dakota, um, and then Ohio. I don't need to
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: rush it, um, I can just you know, I can
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: kind of play it out if there, if there seems
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: to be like a really great buck there. Maybe this
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: is the year that I'm particularly picky in Ohio. Um.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: You know, last year I killed the first mature buck,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: that relatively mature buck that I got eyes on because
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: it had been tough and I wanted to fill that tag.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: This year, I think I'm gonna be I'm gonna wait
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: it out and see, um who knows, Maybe I can move.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe I can make Corey eat his eat his words
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: and have to have me match him. So I don't know.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: It's uh, I think that that's a good that's a
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: good move to hold out because you're already going to
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: be doing a lot of hunting. Right, there's a chance
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: you I mean, there's a chance you get your your
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: buck in Montana. There's a chance you get your buck
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: in uh is it now? Is North Dakota gonna be
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: kind of like a spot and stock type deal or
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: is that gonna be tree stand river bottom type stuff?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: It'll be river bottom stuff too, Yep, I think they're
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: they're very similar type situations. There's a couple different rivers
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: with cotton woods down the bottom and willow bushes and
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, and um, kind of the same type
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: of thing I hunted last year, So you might you
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: could get down and move around the a bit. It'll
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: probably mostly be trees, but lots of glassing, probably going
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: up on hills and scouting and glassing and then identifying
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: where they're moving through and then sneaking in, hanging and hunting. Yeah.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Six makes a lot of sense. Yeah, so that's my dream. Um,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: what about real reality? Yeah, let's talk reality, real talk. Um,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: what do you really think? Well, what's what Let's talk goals? Like, Okay,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: to have your two thousand seventeen season, you know, and
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: we talked about this every once in a while throughout
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: the year, Lady Ampton. Now, so I know we've probably
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: touched on some of the stuff, but like where we're
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: right now is just before the season. Um, what's the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: successful two thousand seventeen season look like for you? And
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: what are like your handful of goals you'd like to achieve,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: whether it be specific like killing a buck or like
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any more intangible stuff that
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: you want to achieve to. Yeah, well, I mean my
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: goal is to the days that I am hunting, uh
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: and I do get away to my main farm are
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: going to be they they have to be all day
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: sits right, I mean they just have to be. Um.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Then once I once I start maximizing my time in
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the timber, in in the good rut locations you know,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do what I always do. I'm gonna
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: play the trail camera game. I'm gonna check you know,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: check those on a on a rotation, and then I'm
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: gonna see what, you know, what bucks are you know
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: cruising the area, uh, calling home and make my plan
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: off that. But as far as what I'm looking for,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: what a successful season is for me, obviously, any any
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: time I can sit and tree stand and enjoy mother
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: nature is a win. We both know that. Um yep,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: and I mean some of my favorite seasons have resulted
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: in eating my tag. Like two thousand and eleven, I
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: had one of the best seasons I've ever had and
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: just saw so many deer cruising and saw so many
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: cool things and never never tagged out. But from a
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: from an actual animal standpoint, I don't know, man, uh,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: more than likely. Here's what well, here's what will happen.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in a mood whatever day this mood
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: isn't you know, whatever my mood is at the time.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: If my mood is, hey, man, I gotta get home
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: back to the family, I'm gonna shoot the first four
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: year old that probably walks by. But then there's this
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: mood that I get in sometimes where I'm gonna I
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: want to shoot a four year old or older. That
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: won't change. It's gonna be a mature buck. That's my goal.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: But if I'm there there, depending on my mood, there
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: is something where I may pass a four year old
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: because he doesn't have big antlers, you know what I mean.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: So if that opportunity presents itself. If I'm going in
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: after a buck, let's say that. Um, you know, I
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: get the opportunity to do that too, and I pass
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: a smaller four year old to get to a different one.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I think this year I might pass do do a
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: little more passing like in previous years, if the opportunity
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: presents itself, and what the mood is, right, if it's
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: if it's day four of the hunt and I've already
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: got the text that says when are you gonna be home? Man,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I'd hate to be the first four year old buck
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: that walks by my stand after I got that text,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like so so, and you
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: know I'm gonna I'm gonna go into this season just
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: really patient and really and really with no expectations, because
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I feel that once you give yourself expectations, at at
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: some point you're you're just leading up to failure and
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: you become stressed if the time's running down and you
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: don't meet that goal, or you know what I mean,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: If that makes sense. Yeah, I was gonna say, it's
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: kind of like the It's like the there's two sites
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: that coin. It's like, there's something really awesome about having
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: goals going into hunting season or something like the challenge
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: and the chess match or whatever, trying to achieve a
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: goal and that feeling of accomplishment when you do, Like,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite things about hunting. But at
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: the same time, if you let that go too far,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: and we've talked about this a lot in the past
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: and past years, right, sometimes you let it go too far,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: and then, like you said, you get overly stressed about it,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: and it takes the fun out of what hunting is
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: supposed to be too. So it's like, how do you
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: It's like that line again, you have to walk that line. Um,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: goals are great, but if you go too far with this,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: sometimes you can miss what's most important. Absolutely, And you know,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: in the past, you know, when I was chasing shipwreck
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: and I went four years uh, you know, I I
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: just remember passing a four year old pointer one day
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: and I look back at that and I was just like, WHOA,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: You're stupid for doing that, right, I mean, that's the
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: biggest If I would have killed that deer, would have
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: been the biggest deer I've ever ever shot. And I
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: had this, you know, and I had a chance, and
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I had a real chance at you know, going after
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: some big old deer. But I was kind of hyper
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: focused on one animal. Uh, And I don't know if
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: that will ever happen again. It may, but as of
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: right now, it won't that I I can't do that,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: and I don't want to do that. I just want
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: to enjoy myself. You know, I harvested last year. So um,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I really think that I'm okay with whatever whatever cards
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: are played in front of me. If that means eating
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: my tag, it means eating my tag. I mean, I'm
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: gonna be selective, but I'm not gonna I don't know.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: It's just like for me, I feel like I'm going
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to be in a mood. I'm gonna be like there's
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: a mood that I have to be into. Like am
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I in a straight up kill mode? Or am I
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: in a hey, let's just wait and see what happened
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: this mode? You know what I mean. It's like I
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: was gonna say, is there any buck that you already
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: know is in the area that made it or that
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: you think might have made it that if you start
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: getting like good intel in this buck, whether that be
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: camera pictures or some encounters of them, is there any
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: buck that if you had that know that that intel,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: you know, what would cause you to start passing like
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: four year olds or like multiple decent four year olds.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Is there a deer that would make you also say, Okay,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: you know what I said, I wanted to kill a
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: decent buck, but now this is happening, right, So you
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: mean like as far as past past history, Yeah, because
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: they're one of these deer that might make you say, well,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: you know what I've getting them? Getting this buck in daylight?
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I saw him twice already. Now I'm going to pass
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: everything for the next week and a half or whatever
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: because I really want to kill X. Is there any
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: deer that can do that to you that you know of? Yeah,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: And right now I think it's just one, and that
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: would be that dork buck. Um there's I have a
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: couple of pictures of um him this year, and and
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: there's another buck too that may make me do it,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: but um so, so basically two bucks that I've had
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: that I have on trail camera so far. But it
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: would have to be pretty like pretty consistent, pretty wired down,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, like I know he's gonna be
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: coming out of this wood lot tonight and I'm gonna
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: set up on one of these trails and he's gonna
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: he's gonna decide to come on one of these trails
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: or not. And if another one comes, if I have
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: solid concrete evidence and daylight sightings and daylight pictures of this,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: of that, those two bucks, which is the other one
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: other than um that really big ten pointer. Um, he's
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: a he's got like a one split brow time. Yeah,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: the big, the big one. I'm looking through my trail
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: camera pictures right now. And then obviously there's dork. He's
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: like a seven or eight year old this year. Um, Nope,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I think I am on the outside of his home
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: range like that. He he just comes in on certain
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: crop rotations at different times of the year. Um. I
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: have another like there's a there's this one buck that
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: his head looks as big as like a steer head,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: right is a giant cow head with probably a he's
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: got a funky ract. But if it was the same
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: on both sides, he'd be like in one sixties. I'd
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: love to see him. But again, you know, it's just
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out and hunt. If that makes if
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: that is more clear, I hear you, I hear you
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: what about I'm happy either way. What about Gordon Bombay.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I know you don't know if he's back yet or not,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: but he's right. Gordon Bombay is the super wide buck
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: that now I want to make sure I'm not getting
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: these confused in my head. Is that the same book
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: that Ryan hitting the aidlers? Or is it was this
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: this buck shop knew the next year? Yeah, this is
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: a This is a different buck. That buck was around
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and fourteen, so Gordon Bombay has been
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: around two thousand and fift I was looking at old
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: pictures of him the other night. But he's the one
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: that won the trail camera contest two years ago. Yep,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: he won the trail camera contest, and um, he went down,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: He went down, but got wider, um his antlers kind
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: of shrunk but got wider. So on this year's crop
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: rotation is when I have pictures of him coming up
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: towards the top of the um of the property. So
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I have a couple of pictures of him on like
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: October seven, but it's during the night, so you know,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: and like I always say, a trail camera picture of
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: a buck in the middle of the night is the
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: same as not having a trail camera picture of that
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: buck at all, because you shouldn't make your decisions based
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: off of uh, off of three am or a midnight
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: trail camera picture, because that buck is especially if he
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: is on a pattern. If you move into chase a
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: buck whose pattern is three am, then all you're doing
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: is ruining that area. Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: So typically Gordon Bombay is on this you know, on
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: the completely opposite side of the property. I doubt he
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: lives there late October. He comes through every year, but
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: it's at like midnight. Um, I don't have any daylight
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: pictures of him, uh except July of last year. So
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: that's why I haven't checked that trail camera picture, that
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: trail that trail camera down where I always get the
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: pictures of him. Yet I'm gonna waitum. And the only
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: other other than that buck, who knows if he's made
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: it or not. But the only other thing that I'm
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: really working on this year is accessed through cricks because
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: and I've said this a lot on the UM on
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: the podcast, I feel that when I drive through the
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: property through the one direction, I am completely pushing deer
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: back to the betting areas. Faster than if I come
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: from the other side and hunt, you know, and I
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: actually hunt the property from the opposite side and let
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: that natural movement come back to the betting areas as
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: opposed to like pushing them, right, I think I think
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a huge difference. Yeah, yeah, Now it's
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: just following through at that point. That's the trick, right
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: right right, and and being patient. So I don't know,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: man realistically, So you know, going back to the deer,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a My goal is always going to
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: be a four year old, you know, until the four
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: year old someday dry up. Um, but it's always gonna
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: be a four year old. And depending on what the antlers,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: you know, what mood I'm in could depend on what
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: four year old I take a crack at. And I'm
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: not guaranteed a four year old, however, I do. I'm
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: looking at the trail camera picture right now. Out of
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: what I'm guessing is a two year old probably one
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: class buck good lord ten pointer with split brows. So
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: that's one of those bucks where this year, I know
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: he's small enough I wouldn't shoot him. But let's say
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: he's a three year old at one sixty. Let's say
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I I would, I would. I hope I don't see him, Yeah,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: you know, like I just don't want him to even
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: tempt me. That's a tough and in that moment, it's
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: really hard to make the like even like logically think
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: in your head, Okay, that's a young buck. Like lots
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: of times you're just so fired up, right, especially if
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: their necks all swollen up and they got that that
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: mass from the rut, like a career rut. So what
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: about you, what's realistic on on your end? Well, before
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: we get to that, before we talk about those goals
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: and expectations for the season, I want to take a
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: quick break for a word from our partners at White
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• 42:58
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• 43:01
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• 43:05
  Speaker 1: are joined by rich Ba, the land specialists out of
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: southeastern Iowa, and Riche's going to be telling us about
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: how he patterned some mature bucks without educating them. What
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I like to do is, uh figure out where a
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: buck's living. And so during the late summer and early
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: fall months, I'll run trail cameras around my farm, probably
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: one for every sixty acres, and try to figure out
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: where the different mature bucks are living. Um, you really
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: have to keep an eye on that, you know, once
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: October November get here, because they often tend to disperse
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: and and move around a little bit. But but I
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: still use cameras, and I have them in areas where
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to disturb the deer to check them.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: One of the things you know that that's key to
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: me is I just don't pressure deer. In early October,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I figure out where they're living, you know, where they feed,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: and then really don't hunt them until the last week
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: of October onet week in November, when I know they're
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: going to be on there feet before dark and still
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: on their feet after daylight. Otherwise, you know, educating them
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• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I think. Okay, So if we're talking white tails, if
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: I could, if I could fill one tag on my
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: western trip from Montana North Dakota, I think that's a
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: realistic goal. I'd be awesome if I could at least
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: fill one tag out there with a mature buck. Um So,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I'd like to try to shoot four year old out there.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Um So my goal will be at least a four
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: year old and one of those two states, and then
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: in Michigan realistic if I can kill holy Field. That's
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: my number one of all goals is to is to
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: close that chapter and put all that to rest and
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: and kind of just make that happen a lot. We've
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: talked about a thousand times, so I won't reiterate all
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the different things is going on there, but that's I think,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: that's I think that question. I have a question about
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: that though. So holy Field shows up on camera, doesn't
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: matter what time of day. Let's say it's the middle
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: of the night and it's like October one, right, so
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: he's not unhuntable at that point. Are you passing or
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: dedicating an entire season to that buck if he starts
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: to do what he did last year? Yeah, So here's
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: where my head's on that. I am I'm definitely dedicating
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: my season in Michigan to him. But if he shows up,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: if he shows up, yes, if he shows up. But
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: if like I'm out there in mid October, mid November
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: some at some point, if once in a lifetime Michigan
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: buck shows up that I don't know of that's not
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: holy Field, I would shoot that buck, but then continue
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: to hunt for holy Field. That for that um. Like
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I've always told myself on this property where holy Field is,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I'll only take one buck a year there because it's
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: just an area where there's there's not many. Like if
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: there's a mature buck, it's usually the only mature buck
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: in the area every any given season, and it's just
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of hunting pressure. There's just not a
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: lot of big old deer. So I've always said, you know,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: if I take one, that's gonna be it. But in
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: this year, if it was like a if it was
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: like a once in a lifetime Michigan buck or like
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: the biggest Michigan deer I've ever seen, Like if a one,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: if a one, five, four or five or six year
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: old buck that I've never seen before all of a
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: sudden shows up in front of me and November six,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: then I still haven't killed the holy Field. I'm going
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: to shoot that buck. Um, But then still try to
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: kill holy Field the rest of the season. Um, but
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to shoot anything borderline. I'm not gonna
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: shoot like if there's like bucks that would usually kill
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: in the past, you know, like if there's like a
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: four year old one thirty or something running around or
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: one thirty five or you know, something like that that's
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: a nice like usually be a really nice Michigan buck,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: mature buck. Those deer I'm gonna pass on this year,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: hoping that they'll make it to future years so that
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I can get holy Field this year and then have
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: another deer next year. Um. But if it's like it's
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: just a if it's a monster that just shows upbout nowhere,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I will break my rule and try to kill two
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: deer on that property. Um, but you know that's never
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: happened before. I've never seen a monster out there. I've
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: never had a random bucklet that show up before. So
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: let's probably not gonna happen. A lot of things have
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: to go right for that to happen. Yeah, Yeah, So
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: I think most likely what's gonna happen is that I
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: think there's a good chance Holy Feel will be back,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: and there's a good chance there's gonna be a bunch
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: of other people around there. They're gonna be hunting for
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: him to um So there's a good chance to get
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: killed by someone else. But there's still I think a
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: good chance that I can get a shot. And I
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: think I've got You know, we've talked about my plan,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: We've talked about the habitat improvements I've made. Um I
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: think all that stuff should put me in in as
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: about as good of a position as I could ask
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: for given the set of cards I have. UM So,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try my best, try my very best. And
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: this year it's definitely Holy feel like it's I'm not
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: gonna pass holy Field this year. I don't. I don't.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna be like mid way through the season
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: and I'm all this thing and say, no, I want
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: to see if you can make another year like No
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: that I'm definitely He's He's gonna be very mature this year.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Three years of history. I've learned a ton from him.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Um If I can somehow be lucky enough and fortunate
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: enough to get a crack at him, that I'm gonna
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: take advantage of him. So right, I'll tell you what.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: There's two There's two bucks. There are stories that I'm
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: following very closely. One of them is yours and holy Field,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: and the other one is our buddy Ben and his
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: his deer that he's chased for a while pork. So um. Yeah,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: so there's those are two that I'm falling very closely. Yeah.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's one of those things that we
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: talked about, like hunting for one specific deer or like
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: having a long term like hunt for deer. It's it
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: can be really frustrating, it can be stressful, all those
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: things we talked about earlier, but it's also like it's
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: one of the coolest things I've been able to experience
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: as a hunter too. Like there's something really fun about
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: learning a deer, trying to, you know, pick into all
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: the details and like studying all different trail camera pictures
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: and pass encounters. I've got like two pages of a
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: notebook filled up with every encounter with holy Field and
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: the wind direction in the moon and the time of
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: day and the time of year and all this kind
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: of stuff, and like it's just so much fun looking
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: at that and thinking, Okay, why do you do this
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and why this and how could I take an advantage
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: of that, I mean that geeking out is still one
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: of my absolute favorite things to do, so that's that's
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: a cool thing. So I will if if either way,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: whenever and however, holy Field goes down, I will miss
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: just that very extended, big time chest match that that's
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: been going on, and hopefully I'll you know, hopefully will
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: be another one some day. But yeah, man, realistically, if
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: I can kill holy Field, that's that's the goal. That
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: would be amazing. Um, you know, the other stuff I've
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: got going on in Michigan would be awesome if something
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: pans out up north or in public, but um, that's
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: you know, very pretty unlikely, but I'm gonna give a shot.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: We um heck. I can't remember if we talked about
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: it last time or not, but to have got some
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: more food plot stuff going on in our northern Michigan place.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: My my dad has a friend who's gonna come up
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: with a tractor and help us get some final stuff
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: planted and opened up, so that the food plus system
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: that we started two years ago that we got planted
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: finally last year. That really helped us start to finally
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: see some decent deer up there. We're gonna be we've
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: expanded it now this year a little bit, so like
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: we're taking these tiny steps to make things better up
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: there and try to bring that back, which is super cool. Um,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: so that's fun. And then Ohio, like I said, realistically, UM,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to hold out out there, maybe be
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: a little bit more picky than I usually am, but realistically,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: if when it all comes down to it, if I
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: can kill a four year old out there, um i'd
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: be I'd be super happy. And I think it's it's possible,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: you know, it's all I think it's always possible. It's
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: just one of those spots, you know, it's like it's
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: it's hot and cold. I'll probably hunt five six days
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: and not see a deer or see like one or
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: two deer day and pissed and frustrated. But then day
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: seven or whatever, all of a sudden, a giant can
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: comes strolling through. So that's one of those spots that
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: you just need extreme patients and like an ability to
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: handle long hours of boredom. So so that's that's kind
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: of so I think realistically, if I could fill my
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Michigan tag with Holyfield one buck on one of the
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: odd state trips, in Montana and North Dakota, UM, and
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: then in Ohio buck over the course of the three
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: four months season. That's ah, that would be awesome. Probably
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: even two out of those tags would be two out
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: of four tags would be a great season. So right, Um,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know man talking about all this stuff. I
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: just every single episode. I don't know if this is
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: like I don't know if people think we're crazy because
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: we say this every episode, or if everybody else feels
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: the exact same way. But every time when we're on
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: talking about this stuff, like I just like my fingers
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: get tingly and I'm like sweating, like I'm ready, Like
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: I just can't get in the tree soon enough. Um,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I'm just so I just love this stuff so so
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: so so much. I love I don't know. So. I
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: got this map that Ben gave me, and you know
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: I got the magnets on it, right, you got the
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Terra Magna map. Yeah, the Magna map. I don't have
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: one of those. We gotta call him up, say, I'm
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, give me one. He's given me so many
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: nice maps. I don't want to ask him for anything more.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: But that's awesome to see. Got the magnum map Magna
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: map right, and I'm right, it's right in front of
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: my microphone. So I'm actually like, I'm literally staring at
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: my property while I record the podcasts, and I'm there's
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: two orange the orange rep on my map. Orange represents
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: tree stand locations, and there are two orange magnets that
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: I am literally daydreaming about every time I sit in
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: this chair, and I just I cut him out already
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: this year. They're just literally sitting there like don't you
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: wish that you could be just a fly in the
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: timber for or like have some kind of device that
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: you can fast forward and stop or teleport to your
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: stand and just sit sit there and wait and see.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: But these two stands or two pinch points on the
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: farm that I I it's like, I wonder what kind
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: of movement is going through there and what's going to
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: happen come come November. Alright, So ideal scenario, tell me
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: about one of these spots. What's your day dream looked
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: like at that spot? Alright? So the day dream is
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: I'm walking in in the morning right um following you know,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: making sure that this wind northwest wind is what I need, uh,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: and I need on one of the stands is a
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: north straight north northeast. Maybe the other one is just
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: your typical northwest wind north would work as well. But
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: my sense gonna go down. It's gonna go out into
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: a field or into a cattle pasture. And these deer
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: are in a pinch point between a creek and an
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: inside corner of this UH fence. And I think I
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: told you about that. I went further down the fence
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: and I took a whole bunch of dead wood and
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: dead limbs and stacked and blocked the other entrance so
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: they can't jump into or that it was down tree
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: fell over the fence, so I blocked that up, so
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: hopefully that forces them to come around that inside corner again.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: And there I have a tree stand waiting on one
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: fence crossing. So literally those two stands are hunting one.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: I'm hunting one trail. That's how tight the pinch point is.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I mean they can go other they can go down
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: further than that, but a majority of the traffic it's
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: coming through UH these two trails, and it's over a
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: you know, it's over a certain you know, it's over
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: a certain period of time. I'm sure they're they're coming
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: through twenty four hours a day through that during the rut.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: But so, so, what what day? What day is the
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: stage room happening? What's the weather like? What are the
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: conditions like when you're going in here? Right? I'm guessing
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be somewhere around November for some reason, eleventh
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: pops up in my head. November eleven deer pops up
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: in my head. I'm sitting in there in the northwest wind,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: one of those mornings right where there's frost on the ground.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: It's quite like it's really loud walking to your stand
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: because the leaves are extra cruntry because of the frost
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: on them. And I'm sitting there, I'm facing let's see,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: what way is my tree stand facing. It's actually facing east,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: but I'll be shooting to the west, you know, because
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I always like to have my tree, the tree in
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: between me and where I'm shooting. And the goal is
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: to you know, hear that and then maybe and then
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: you see it. Yep, stand, grab the bow turned to
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: this bench, crossing, Watch the doe jump and then the
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: buck comes up. You know, how dear, they'll walk straight
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: up unless they're running, they'll walk up to it. First
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: stop and then jumps like a calm deer will do that,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: and then right when he stops before he crosses that fence,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: draw back and shoot him right before he jumps. Um.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: So that's that's what I envisioned. But uh, it'll actually happen.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: I'll shank the shot, hit the blind the deer. Oh man, Yeah,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: I hear you there right, I'm right there with you, hey,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: speaking of shaking the shot. Um, both you and me
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: are going through some changes with our shots and with
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: our urchering. We haven't talked about this on the Wire
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Time podcast yet, UM, but we have both in the past,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: like way in the past, we've both alluded to various
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: shoes with rushing shots or maybe a little bit of
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: target panic here and there and stuff like that. Um.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: And so we we've talked about different like incremental changes
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: we can make, like saying, Okay, we're gonna take a
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: little more time, or we're gonna a better shot process
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: or something. But neither one of us have made like
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: really big differences over the course of big changes in
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: the last three or four years. But now, all of
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: a sudden, without even consulting each other, we both have
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: made drastic changes to what we're doing this summer um,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: and we haven't talked about it yet. I think maybe
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: we should talk about that, now, what do you think? So?
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: So I guess I'll give my quick uh update on
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: what's going on for me real fast, and then I'm
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: interested to hear about your how you got to this
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: point too? But for me, UM, I got so I
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: got a new Matthews Halen this past year thirty two
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: sweet bow, took it to the pro shop, got all
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: set up um. But then when I got back and
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: started shooting, UM, I can't remember what happened, but over
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: like there were three different things that happened, and each
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: time I had to go back to the pro up
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: like my rest had been set too loosely, and so
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: when I got home, the center shot was off and
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: it was all messed up, and so I had to
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: go check it out and get it retuned. So I
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: went back to the shop and then when I got
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: back something with UM what was it? I think my
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: draw length was wrong? When I got back, I can't
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: remember all the draw length issue. There was arrest. The
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: cord on my arrest broke. UM. The very first time
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: I forgot to have the peeps I put in, So
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: I had to go back and forth with the pro
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: shop like three or four different times. So all these
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: different things that happened with the setup of my bow,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: and when I started shooting the bow, I'm like, I
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: am way inconsistent, Like I can't get my shot right,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know what's going on, and I just couldn't.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: I couldn't identify. I couldn't diagnose what the issue was
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: because there were so many new things in the shot.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like I was shooting the old bow
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: I had been comfortable with, and all of a sudden
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: my shots started falling apart. I could say, Okay, what's changed?
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: But everything changed now, right, it was a new bow.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Plus I had all these different trips to the shop
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: with all these different changes made, and the rest got
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: messed up. Someone had to tie in a new cord
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: a different weird way. Um, my draw link got changed
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: two different times. So I was like I didn't know
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: which variable was the issue. And because of that, I
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: like I was getting more and more stressed out I
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: go and I'd be shooting and shooting and I'm like,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: what the hell, Like every time, like sure twenty yards
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: are fine, thirty yards, but as I started to stretch
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: it out, like I'm getting way more flyers than I
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: should have, and I couldn't think it was I couldn't
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: figure out what was going on. So then I was
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: like thinking about it more so every shot. I was
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: like overthinking every shot and like trying to force it
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: to be a perfect shot every time, and I think
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: that was making things even worse. And I finally was like, okay,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: like this is bigger than like some little weird off day,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Like there's something going on. You just need to you
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: need someone else to give you like a second opinion.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Um so, And I've never worked with a shooting coach.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: I've never had a buddy coming that was really good
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: and like, look at what I do. Like literally everything
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: in my shooting I taught myself off to shoot, and
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I've just been shooting the way I taught myself how
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: to shoot for fifteen years or whatever has been So finally,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Andy may Um are our friend who was on the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: podcast with us last week, I guess or at the
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: live podcast of the Cutie Make Convention. I had him
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: come out, and he's really really serious about his archery
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: and and it's really good at this stuff. He came
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: out and started to look at what's going on, and
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: he helped me diagnose a couple issues with my bow
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: setup that I've gotten fixed. And then at the same time,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: he you know, I wanted to look at my shot
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: sequence and process to better understand if I have any
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: like symptoms of target panic. Um. I never really thought
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: I did. But I know I have rushed shots, Like
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: I know I had the tendency to rush shots, but
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: I never equated that with target panic. I always thought
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: that was just like me rushing it. I never, like
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: in my mind, I thought those were like two different things. Um.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: But he had me do a couple of different exercises
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: that kind of opened my eyes too, like, yes, these
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: are symptoms of like some type of bad thing. Um.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Like for example, he said, okay, just just drawback, put
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: the pen on the target, and then don't shoot, but
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: just hold your put your put your finger on that trigger,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: but then don't shoot. And like I did that, and
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: I felt like my body as soon as my finger song,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: as soon as I put my finger on that trigger,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: and that pin hit the bull the bull's eye, like
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: my body wanted to hit that trigger so bad, like
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: almost like in my head, I had like a flinch
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: like punch that sugar, and um, I've had this a
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: couple other times, or sometimes i'm shooting, like I'll have
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: that where like my whole body like shutters because I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: wanted to shoot. I want to hit the trigger, but
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: I stopped myself. Um So, basically there were some like
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: underlying anticipation issues that I had been like ignoring. So
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: long story short, he helped me reset my bowl, get
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: everything set up properly. Everything's beautiful right now. And then
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: also I am switching to a back tension release process,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: so I'm not using a back tension release yet. Um
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: I got a different index finger release, but I'm using
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: a back tension process. So I'm hooking my face around
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: there tight and then I'm pulling back with my shoulder
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: blade and my and my back muscles to release that
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: bow instead of you know, in the past, I always
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: just squeeze the trigger in my finger like a gun.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: And um So for the last month or so since
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: we talked about that, that's what I've been working on.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Um it's a different indexperience, a much harder break. It's
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: my old release was like you could squeeze it like
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: halfway down and wouldn't go off this new one. It's
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: like it's a hard break. Um. So yeah, I'm working
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: on all this stuff. I've been listening to a lot
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: of different podcasts, different guys who've talked to some archery
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: experts about this kind of stuff. Um. I don't know
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: if you've seen anything from Joel Turner Ironed mind Hunting.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Have you heard anything of his? No, I haven't, but
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna check it out now, Yeah, check it out.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: He's been on something he's been like the Gritty Bowman podcast. Um,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: and he's got an online video course. I haven't checked
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: out the full video course yet. I've wrought some of
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: his YouTube videos and listened to him, like I said,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: and he's got some really great thoughts on on dealing
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: with this and developing the mental side of this shot
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: sequence and making sure you're not anticipating and punching and
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: doing the different things. So so that's I've been working on.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: And so like I've been like starting back at ground zero,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Like I took my site off my bow and I've
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: sat at like three yards away from the target and
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: for for a week and a half or two weeks,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: I just worked on just getting that release right, just
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: pulling through over and over and over and over and
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: over and over and over. And now I've got the
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: sight back on and I'm like just doing it at
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: ten yards and then just doing it fifteen yards, and
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: just doing it twenty and just trying to get like
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: a perfect ten on my release. I'm not worrying about,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: you know, getting not worried about holding that pin on
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: their perfect I'm just trying to get that perfect release
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: um and more so just letting the pin hover. And
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: so my new like shot sequence like mantra. Now again
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: this I pulled this from like Brian Call and Joel Turner,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: and I've been using its working well for me. It's
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: like I draw back, I immediately locked my trigger, I
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: load up my trigger, immediately had my finger on the trigger.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: I splashed the pin right on the on the bull's eye.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: So in my head, I say, splash it on there,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: so I get it right there on the on the
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: on the dot, and then I watch it keep it.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: So now I'm just in my mind, I'm just trying
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: to just keep it there. Just watch the dot that
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to hit but I'm not like overly hard
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: trying to aim. I'm just letting it float, but just
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: lasering my eye at the spot I want to hit
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: and letting it float around there. And then once I'm ray,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: it's all about having like that controlled process. Now I'm
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: talking the final thing, I says, here we go, And
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: as soon as my mind I see here we go,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: that activates my back muscles to start slowly pulling until
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: it until it releases. Um. Right, So Joel Turner's thought
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: is that by having by having words. And We've talked
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: about a monster before, and I've used some monsterras in
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: the past, but I've never like really really really done
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: a great job with it. I've always kind of given
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: the lip service. But now I'm trying to drill it in.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: It seems like the guys that are really good at
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: this you use something like that to control your process
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: so that you're not so you're not controlled by the moment.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: You need to be able to do this stuff, like
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: with muscle memory. It needs to be a second nature.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, you can't black out and
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: go into like autopilot. At the same time, like it
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: needs you need to be the one in control of
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: when you decide to shoot that deer. It can't be
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: as soon as the pen happens to be in the
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: right spot. Also might punch it, which has happened in
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: the past. Um, so that is like the cliff notes
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: version of what I'm doing right now? But um, where
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: are you at? I think you're in a similar place
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: right But actually, before Dan answers that, we need to
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: take our final break of the day for word from
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: the white Tail Institute of North America. And right now
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: early August when we're recording this, we're getting into the
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: prime time of fall food plot planning season. So today
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: our producer Spencer new Hearth has caught up again with
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: John Cooner to hear about one of White Tail Institute's
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: best fall food plot options. This week with white Tail Institute,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: we're talking to consultant John Cooner about their special blend
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: of Imperial white Tail beats and greens, which is designed
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: to hold dear fall all the way through winter. The
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: beach of greens is a is an eat product. It
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: is an all Braska product, but it's unusual and that
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: it's a blend of of multiple brask of varieties that
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: serve a number of purposes. The main ones are that
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: they provide together attraction and food for deer from the
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: fall all the way into and maybe through the dead
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: of winter. The components are sugar beets. Most folks know
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: how attractive they are to deer when you plan them
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: in the fall. It's got tall Time turnip in it,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: which is a turnip variety of that the White Talle
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Institute developed six years specifically for deer. The tall Time
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: turn up the foliage is for late fall through winter.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: It also has a kale variety in it that is
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: unusual when compared to most kale varieties, and that it's
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: loose leafed. UH is very attractive to deer. UH and
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: it's a vegetable cultivar that that does not grow on
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: a tight head the way a cabbage does. And finally
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: there's the White Tail Institute for its well radish that
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: maximizes the attraction over the long term by adding forage
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: and tubers for later in the year as a secondary
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: benefit the product. Because of the tubers produced by the
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: radish and UH, tall time tubers can actually improve this quality,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: especially of compacted soils, by drilling down even a couple
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: of feet into the soil and making wide spaces to
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: help water and air move. Uh, and any tubers that
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: remain after winter will break down the following spring and
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: even improve the quality of soil by adding organic matter.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: But the main thing is it's built for attraction of
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: deer all the way through fall and through the winter.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: If you'd like more info on white Tail Institutes forage products,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: check out white Tail Institute dot com, where they also
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: carry some of the top supplements, attractants and herbicides available. Yeah, man,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: I uh, you know same here. I got a new
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: bowl this year as well, and and it's a completely
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: different type of bow than anything that's out there, so
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: it's it's taken me a while to um, you know,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: learn how to do it, just like any anything that's new.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: But I decided I was going to this is just
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: like last month in July, I'm gonna buy a back
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: tension release. And although I like like it and I
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: think it's gonna help me in the long run, I
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: think I made a poor decision by trying to start
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: a back start using a back tension release this close
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: to the actual hunting season, because I think there is
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: a much greater learning curve then there is time, and
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: I do not have at this point in my uh, like,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: I don't have the I don't want to say I
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: have the time because I try to shoot as much
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: as possible throughout the week, but I don't have enough
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: time to learn the back tension release and to do
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: everything that's necessary to you know, perfect it like I
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: would need to. So I I shoot a cup bowl
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: rounds with it um and then I will go back
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: to my wrist strap so for my wrist release. So
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: my question to you is when you went from so
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: you didn't necessarily change releases, right, you just use a
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: principles from back tension on your current rest or on
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: your on your current release. So no, I did change
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: to a new release as well, but it's it's still
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: an index finger release. But got you The difference is
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: that my old release was like one of the super
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: cheap like I don't know, just one of it was
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: like the same type of release I've used my entire life,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: like your basic beginner index finger release. But the trigger
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: on that is like it's got the spring in it,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: and so you can slowly squeeze that trigger down and
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: it slowly opens and then you can release it. It
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: opened closes again and because that that trigger creep and um.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: From what I understand, that's not really good for getting
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: a good consistent release, especially if you're trying to use
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: back tension. UM. So I got a different release that is,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: like it doesn't have a spring in it. It's like
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: a hook, you know, just the hook style. My old
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: one was a double caliper. This is the hook style.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: And like as soon as this hits X pounds of
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: pressure whatever, that just breaks open um. So it's much
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: more conducive to a surprise, clean release. And then it's
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: it's a much shorter release. So my trigger is much
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: deeper in my finger. The thought process being there is
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: that you've got so many like touch receptors on the
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: point of your finger, the end of your finger, that
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: you're more likely to want to you know, it's just
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: very touchy. So a lot of us when you've got
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: the tip of your finger on the trigger, it's just jumping.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: You want to push it, you want to pull it
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: like a gun. So the thought processes by putting that
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: trigger deeper into your finger, so now like at the
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: the first knuckle, it's it's you're not gonna you're not
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: using that finger anymore. Instead, it's just a hook. So
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: my finger is hooked around the trigger deep in there,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: and I've got pressure on that trigger. And then like
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: I'm holding on, I draw, I've got a hooked on
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: the trigger. As soon as I start pulling back my
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: with my back and my shoulder, I'm not using my
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: finger at all. It's just like a hook. As soon
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: as I start pulling that back, that releases it. Um. Okay,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: So it's it's a different it's the back tension release
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: type concept. But as I from these guys and from
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: Andy and everyone says, you know, this is this is
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: a way to do it. Um. But you know, like
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: you said, there's lots of different There's like the there's
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: a back tension like hinge release. There's like the thumb
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: button type release. Um, which do you have Is there's
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: a hinge? Like do you have no control or is
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: it no? I have the safety the thumb safety on it.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: It's the knock on Um. John Dudley is a silver back. Yeah,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: it's a silver back from Carter Enterprises. Um. So it's
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: the silver back and um that's what I I prepractice with. UM.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, and it is completely different. But
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: the reason I bought it, it's because as I was
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: at Ben's house and his his release is set up perfect,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: like mine's not finally tuned yet to where I need
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: it to be, because you know, you gotta I gotta
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: reduce some poundage on it yet. But as soon as
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: you know, I plan on, you know, spending a lot
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: more time getting it dialed in. But it's completely different
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: than the trigger finger, and it does make you think.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: It makes you think about your shot before, you know,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: before you actually pull the trigger, because it's making you
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: do something. It's not making you just squeeze the trigger.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: You have to you have to be aware that you're,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: you know, pulling that extra weight and rotating your back
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: muscle into uh make that shot fire. Yeah, so yours though,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: it's you've got it. So as you draw back, you're
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: holding the safety down as you draw back, and then
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: you get to full draw and then once you're anchored,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: then you really ease the safety. And now as soon
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: as you start pulling through that tension you put through
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: your back releases it. Right, Yep, that's right. Okay, So yeah,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: it's so then there's another one like if I'm I'm
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: no expert. I've never used this, but I think then
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: there's the hinge style that basically is a similar type thing,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: but there's like a rotating hinge in there that starts turning,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: and maybe that's how a regular bat man. Maybe I'm
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: talking about the same thing here. Um, But that's another
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: one where you don't have actual control of when the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: shot goes off. You just need to pull back and
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: pull and then it's going to release when it releases
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: after you release that safety. And then there's the thumb
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: style where you get pulled back, but then you're able
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: to as you pull back, you push your thumb against
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: a thumb button, which is what actually releases it. Um.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm it sounds like we're both kind
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: of in the early stages of trying to figure this out,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: and like you said, I wish we'd wish we'd both
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: started this sooner. Um, But I think it's I think
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: it's good. It's like you know what might as well.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: You know, like for a long time I always thought
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: like I'm good enough, Like you know, I feel really
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: comfortable shooting out to forty and some some years when
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: I was going to outcunting, I was feeling comfortable shooting
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: farther than that. And I always thought like I got
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: pretty goody, pretty consistent. I feel comfortable with they're getting
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: shots a deer. But ever once in a while, you know,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: i'd have a rush shot or I'd have something go wrong,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: and I kind of would shock that up to I
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: made a mistake in the moment um. But maybe there's
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: like some some some deeper things going on that I
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: can fix. And if I can fix it, why not
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: try to? So, yeah, we have to fight exactly, So
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: that's what that's what we're trying to do now, I guess,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: so be interesting see how we progress. I just want
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: to become an overall better archer too. You know, it's
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: like you don't always have to be a good hunter too,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: you know, if you're a good archer, but in order
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: to be a good hunter or bill hunter, I feel
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: you have you should be the best possible archer. You
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: should be, and I'm not the best possible archer I
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: should be. So I wanted to improve my my basic skills.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: I guess you could say, yeah, yeah, for sure, you
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: should take a listen to that the stuff from Joel Turner.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I haven't done the course yet. I mean,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: I can't like recommend the course because I haven't done
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: it yet, but I'm I'm planning on it, and the
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: stuff I've heard from him has been interesting. I think
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Kevin Morrow mentioned him on our podcast with him, like
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: last couple months ago. We talked about target panic a
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: little bit with him and he mentioned the name Joel Turner,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: but I hadn't heard of him before, so it didn't
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: like register um. But when I finally went and checked
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: out of the stuff, it's been very helpful for me, um,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: So you might you might find that helpful. And I'm
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: gonna try to get um. We're working on getting leave.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: I'm Morgan on the podcast here soon and we'll talk
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: some Archie stuff with him soon and some other guys
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: um too, So hopefully we'll have some opportunities to keep
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: learning as we get closer to the season. So yeah, man, um,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: that's our shot stuff. We've talked about our goals. Do
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: you have any Do you have any like, um, not
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: related to like killing a deer or like a certain
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: deer or anything like that, but do you have any
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: goals this year? Every year, I feel like we always
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: have some kind of like intangible goals or like some
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: experiential goals or anything, or just like, I don't know,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: is there anything this year you hope to like when
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: you come out of the season, something you will have
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: done something or you I don't know, do you have
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: any intangible goals? I don't know what I'm trying to
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: say here, But is there anything that comes to mind
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: as I'm rambling? Ye, as far as hunting itself, not
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: necessarily killing, but but the overall like deer hunting overall, well,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: mine would be that the access, Like in order for
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: me to know if I really am disturbing the property
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: driving in from the one side, I have got to
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: access use the access routes, you know from the cricks
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: and if I can, if I can do that, and
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: it shows me that, um, you know, hey, there's not
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: a big difference, or be there is a big difference.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: I will I will know And as we all know,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: knowledge is power, and you know it allows you to
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: do some crazy things. I think that if I can,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: if I can just follow through with that and learn
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: from what what that access tells me about the farm,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: I think I'll be in a much better place to
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: finally get a piece of property kind of figured out,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: because although I have a good idea of how my
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: property works, I don't know it as detailed and as
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: annally as I want to know it. Like I want
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: to know where these deer are specifically betting um and yes,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: I know where betting areas are, but I don't know
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: specific beds on specific winds, and that's how detailed I
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: want to know this farm when it's all said and done, right,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: do you find? Is this? We're able? I don't think
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: we talked about this at all this spring. I don't
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: so I don't know if you did or didn't, But
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: were you able to scout out and look for specific
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: beds like that the springer? Is that something you want
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: to try to do this coming off season? Well, it's
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: kind of It's kind of difficult. And I talked to
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: um oh man, I forget his name about forget his name,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: um Man, he's gonna be pissed at me. But anyway,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: we we discussed the difference between you know, like Dan
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: Infalt gives really awesome detailed advice on how to find
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: buck beds and hunt buck beds well on my farm
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: and in this terrain buck like dear period have so
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: many different beds based off of all these different winds,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: on different fingers and you know, different terrain features that
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: a buck bed in marsh country doesn't look like a
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: buckbed where I'm at. So it's it's gonna be harder
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: to find, uh it. Those those deer move from you know,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: season to season, they move on food sources, they move
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: on wind direction, and so it's a little bit more
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: difficult for me to go in and find specific beds
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: when there's so so many variables. So um and the
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: guy I talked with, he kind of was like, Okay,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: here's what you need to look for. He's on the
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: hunting beats as well, and he sent me a document
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: of what I need to look for based off of
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: pure terrain features off of a topo map. So I'm
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: gonna check those places out this year and basically just
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: try to be as observant as humanly possible to to
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: the most detail to the two as detailed as humanly possible.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah, I like it. I know I um,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: so is your fault. I mean, but I'm talking about
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: like my main farm is like four hundred so I
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: probably have about five acres all together. In this one area.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: There are different property owners and whatnot, but they're all
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: in this specific area and they all in some way,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: shape or form run into each other. And you know,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: I want to figure out not only the micro, but
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: I want to figure out the macro as well. So
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: on your lease in Ohio, what what's that like a
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: thirty acres? No, it's ninety and and of that there's
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: like that's honnable. Really the rest of the field it's
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe forty, but it's like it's such a small area,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: like it's there's there's nothing to it. Almost. There's big
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: open field and there's two fingers of timber that come
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: into the field, and so I know there's a little
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: bit of betting on the smaller finger, and then on
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: the bigger finger. There's you know, the finger is created
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: because there's this ditch that kind of there's a creek
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: that runs out towards the field, and so there's like
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: that really low spot the ditch in the middle deep
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: like valley, I guess, and there's ridges that run on
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: either side. So then there's betting on either one of
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: those ridges. Like the little knobs that come off those ridges,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: there's betting. Some dough betting and the big thick there's
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: some cutovers on it and a couple of knobs of
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: theaters and stuff, and that's where usually a buck, if
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: there's a good buck in the area, on that piece betted.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: Usually it seems like that's one of those spots that
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: he's likely to be on occasion. So it's not it's
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: not one of those spots that has like a ton
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: to figure out. I mean, I could see like four acres,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: there's a lot to sink your teeth into and try
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: to figure that out. In a smaller property like this,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: it's kind of like, well, you got this, so there's
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: not as much to work with. But at the same time,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: there's it's not as much of a challenge because you know, okay,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: they're gonna move through A or B and then it
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: just becomes like being there at the right time and
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: being there enough. Um. So it's it's it's limiting because
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: I don't have very many options, But at the same time,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: it makes it a little bit less stressful because it's
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: either it's either gonna happen or it's not in one
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: of these two places basically two or three places. Um,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: that's kind of where where we've come with. Probably first
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh wow, like trying to figure all
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: these different things out, and now like five years into it,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: I kind of know, Okay, there's a couple of spots
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be here here, and then there's we've got
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: a bunch of other stands and kind of tertiary places
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: that are you could see one maybe long range and
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: calling in or something like last year I was hunting
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: not in one of the best spots, but a spot
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: I could see a lot a long ways and be
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  Speaker 1: called to something and that ended working out. But um,
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  Speaker 1: but it's definitely not one of those big properties where
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  Speaker 1: even like my Michigan property, most of the core stuff
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: is like on neighbors. I'm kind of my my mission
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  Speaker 1: my main Michigan property that we talked about so much.
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  Speaker 1: There's it's mostly field again. I've got a little area
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  Speaker 1: of cover on the front that I hunt where I
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  Speaker 1: made that food plus system, and the back corner I've
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: got a chunk of cover. Everything else is like field edge,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm just kind of hoping to catch deer coming
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  Speaker 1: off the neighbors because just the limits of my property
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  Speaker 1: that I have there, um kind of forced me to that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and you've been on my farm before, and you know
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  Speaker 1: how that big block of timber, right man, I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's just big country fingers, yeah, fingers everywhere going up
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  Speaker 1: you know this valley and I don't know, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: like a yeah, it's awesome puzzle, right, It's awesome, but
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  Speaker 1: at the same time very challenging because there's so many
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  Speaker 1: different moving pieces and areas. And I can see that
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  Speaker 1: being a big channel, just like do you And I
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  Speaker 1: imagine you're probably doing this, but I bet when you
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  Speaker 1: first start hunting, you're kind of going willy nilly all
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  Speaker 1: over the place because he has so much space to
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: work with it. Oh, hunt over here, I hunt over here,
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  Speaker 1: I hunt over here. But now, based on the things
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  Speaker 1: I'm hearing from you, I feel like you're fine tuning. Like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: there's this big area, there's tons of places, but now
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  Speaker 1: I know there's these five or six core places that
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  Speaker 1: if I hunt them smartly, access them smartly, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Like I think over time you're able to drill down
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: a property or large area like that, probably, but there's
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: there's still more fine tuning right right right, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And there I'll be honest with you there's a chance
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  Speaker 1: that and they do it every year. Um, I kill
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  Speaker 1: a buck out of the same exact tree stand that
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: I shot this year's buck in. It's just because it
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: is the greatest staging area of all time and uh um,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: they make their way through it and they check a
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: couple of scrapes before they go out to feed, and
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: I'm just excited to hunt that one as well. So
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just I'm over I'm overall excited.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: The velvet pictures are coming in and my blood starting
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: to boil. My wife sees that, and then she's just like,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: here we go again. Yeah, I know what you're saying there.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So we surproably wrap this up because you
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: gotta get go on soon, I think. But um, if you,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if we can either if you've got
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: some offt top of your head, let's roll with it,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: or maybe we think about until next week. But I
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: think in the past we've we've given each other like
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: challenges for the year, and we've said, Okay, I want
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: you to try to do one thing this year, and
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: you tell me something you want me to try to
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: this year. Do you have any challenge? Do you want
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  Speaker 1: to try to take a step of making a challenge
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  Speaker 1: right now? Or do you think we should think about this?
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: I think we should think about it. Okay, Well, then
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: let's you have something. I had a couple of ideas,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: but you're probably right. It's probably better to like take
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: a little time to think about the challenge and then
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: we should we should put some steaks on it too.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: So let's let's think of a challenge for each other.
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  Speaker 1: Let's think of some kind of steaks to put on it,
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  Speaker 1: and then we'll have a little something to go for
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  Speaker 1: this year. Hey, I like that idea. Another bet? Yes, friendly, friendly,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: fun bet. I'm gonna lose my bet with Corey, so
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: I want a chance to try to win with you
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: at least alright, d Man, Well, anything else we should
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: cover before we go, I don't think so. Just you know,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: as the season starts, uh, as the season starts coming
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: up and you guys start getting into content mode, be
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: sure you go back to past episodes of the you know,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: all the Wired to Hunt guests that we've had. I mean,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: we've how many podcasts have we put out now? Hundred
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: and sixty three I think or four somewhere on their
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  Speaker 1: A lot. So in in that hundred sixty three there's
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  Speaker 1: a ton of great information that you guys can listen
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  Speaker 1: to to you know, put yourself in a better position
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: on whatever property that you're hunting. So take the time
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: to go do that. Yeah, the archives, like especially for
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: people that found the podcast more recently, maybe started listening
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: this year, Like, there's years worth of episodes that the content,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: the stuff we talked about with these guests, it's still
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: applicable today by far. So definitely go back. There's there's
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: the podcast link on the website, or you can go
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: on iTunes or your podcast app or whatever. Scroll back.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: There's some Okay, really quick, what's one of your favorite
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: past guests we've had on You could recommend an episode
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: right now from maybe the first year or two that
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: you can think of, Um, any of that you'd recommend
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: off the top of your head. Oh man, put me
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: on the spot. Let's see here. Well, you know, obviously
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: it's always interesting to hear the thoughts of Mark drewy right,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: um episode number six three yep, yep, So you know
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  Speaker 1: you got that. But um, I also really enjoy the
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  Speaker 1: UM the one we did with Bronson Strickland, right and
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: just like I'm a I'm a kind of a nerd.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: So the science, like knowing the science and biology about
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: a white Tale is in my opinion, just as important
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: as knowing the terrain and the um you know, the
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: strategy and from where they live. Yeah, speaking of science,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: we did one with Matt Ross in November of like
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: two fift It was about the science of the rut.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: That was a really good one. Um oh what else?
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Are two early episodes of Dan Infalt are classics? Are
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: really good ones from like the first year. Um oh,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: what's another good one? I like, I really liked our
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: two Steve Bartilla episodes. Our first one in Bartilla in
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen is an oldie, but a goodie. Um.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: Jeff Sturgis. We had an episode of Jeff Sturgis two
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: years ago in the Fall where we talked about like
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: cold fronts and pre rut and stuff like that. That's
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: full of gold. Um. Hey, you know who you know
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: who we need to have on again just because I
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: think the guy is cool? Is um hunter gatherer cook guy?
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Hank hank Shaw. Yeah, yes, I could be.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: I could bullshit with that guy for a little bit. Yeah.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: He threw in Star Wars references. I like that. Did
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: you ever get his buck Buck Moose book? I did not.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: You should get it buck Buck Moose. It's a cookbook.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: It's it's really good. Um, it's all all venison, all
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: types of stuff for dear moose, alkat or whatever. And
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: his jerky recipe in there is the very best jerky
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: I've ever had. So that's the one I use now
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: for all my jerky and highly highly recommended. So there
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: you go. There's our recommendations. Well, my buddy good chatting
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: with you. Glad we can catch up and um, we'll
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: chat next week until next time and with that we
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: will wrap this one up. But I've got a couple
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: of quick closing reminders for you. First, Like we just mentioned,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: if you're new to the podcast, definitely go back through
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: the archives. We have so many great episodes with expert
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: guests that I think you'll find beneficial. And we've been
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: doing this for Je's three and a half coming up
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: on four years now, so there's a ton of content
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: out there for you to dig into, and you can
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: you can find that on your podcast app, or you
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: can go to wired hunt dot com and click on
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: the podcast link and you'll see all of them right there.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: So secondly, speaking of if you're not following our blogs
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: and videos and other articles over on wired hunt dot com,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: I'd highly recommend to do that too. You know, almost
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: every day we've got new new content going up there,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: so check that out. And the same goes for the
• 1:29:39
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• 1:29:42
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• 1:29:46
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• 1:29:52
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• 1:29:56
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• 1:29:58
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• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: all of you out there listening, your time and your
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: attention and your support. It just means the world, So
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: thank you. And until next time, I hope you'll spend
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: a little time thinking through your own goals and hopes
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: for the season, and I hope you'll stay Wired to Hunt.
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