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8/18/26: Iran Prepares For War, MTG Says Trump Floating Nukes, Fox Shames Troops On USS Lincoln · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 4: Indeed we do so.
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Speaker 2: Jared Kushner is saying Iran is not ready to make
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Speaker 3: going to go ahead and start with the situation with
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Speaker 3: Iran Jared Kushner in Israel actually to try and salvage
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Speaker 3: what's left of this Hummas Israel peace agreement, which Hummas,
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Speaker 3: by the way, says, we're happy.
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Speaker 1: To continue doing.
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Speaker 3: But Israelis are the ones saying no, I don't think so,
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Speaker 3: even though we initially had agreed to it. He was
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Speaker 3: also asked about the Iran potential peace negotiations. Here's what
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Speaker 3: he had to say.
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Speaker 5: Today, the Memorandum of Understanding between the United States and
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Speaker 5: Iran expires. Where do negotiations stand with the Iranian regime?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so right now, President Trump's been very focused on
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Speaker 6: the economic pressure. He really feels strongly about the blockade.
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Speaker 6: If you look at the Iranian economy, it's way worse
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Speaker 6: offt It was bad before the war's way warse offt now.
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Speaker 6: But President Trump's very very very clear on why he
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Speaker 6: took the actions he took, which is he believes that
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Speaker 6: Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon, and if Iran is
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Speaker 6: willing to finish the deal that they've been discussing with
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Speaker 6: us to give up their ability to create a nuclear weapon,
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Speaker 6: then obviously he's willing to make a deal that could
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Speaker 6: be great for the Iranian people, and he's something he
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Speaker 6: would be open to but right now they're not showing
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Speaker 6: any interest in doing something that makes sense for us.
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Speaker 5: What do you see as the biggest roadblock to reaching
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Speaker 5: in agreement with your own.
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Speaker 6: They have to be willing to make a real deal,
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Speaker 6: I think if they're going to try to play a
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Speaker 6: trick or do something to hide certain cards and get
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Speaker 6: certain concessions for not. President Trump wants to make a
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Speaker 6: fair deal that could be a win win, but that
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Speaker 6: has to be very basic, and that they have to
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Speaker 6: want to be a real country, which is no nuclear
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Speaker 6: weapons and no funding terror in the region.
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Speaker 5: Today, President Trump told Fox News there is a back
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Speaker 5: channel between the administration and top IRGC officials. What does
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Speaker 5: that channel look like? And are you making any progress
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Speaker 5: with these other officials outside of the political echelot.
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Speaker 6: So I can't go into the details of it, but
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Speaker 6: I will say that the conversations between the US government
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Speaker 6: and different areas of the Iranian government at all areas
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Speaker 6: is probably more robust than it's maybe ever been, and
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Speaker 6: so there's been a lot of good dieges, which I
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Speaker 6: think is very very helpful. Right, you can't make deals
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Speaker 6: with each other if you don't understand each other. You
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Speaker 6: have to exchange views. There's really not a lot of
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Speaker 6: trust between America and Iran after all these years of
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Speaker 6: not having these relations and dialogues. But obviously they're engaging
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Speaker 6: in a very in a very strong way, and that's
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Speaker 6: quite positive. But we're not there yet on an understanding.
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Speaker 6: And President Trump's going to be very patient. He doesn't
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Speaker 6: like to make he doesn't want to rush to a deal.
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Speaker 6: He'll make the right deal when the right deal's ready.
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Speaker 3: The right deal when the right deal is ready. I'm
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Speaker 3: not sure I'll hold my breath for that.
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Speaker 2: I liked his description of a normal country. Yeah, it
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Speaker 2: doesn't have nuclear weapons or fun terror in the region.
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Speaker 2: Has he talked to Israelis about that? Yeah, he used
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Speaker 2: to be a normal country.
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Speaker 3: As he sits literally in the country of Israel. By
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Speaker 3: the way, they always act like they're the only party
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Speaker 3: that is in these negotiations. They can wait as long
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Speaker 3: as they want. We'll wait as long as we need
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Speaker 3: to until we make a deal. Iran gets a vote too.
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Speaker 3: Let's go and put this one up here on the screen.
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Speaker 3: We mentioned this a little bit yesterday, but there is
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Speaker 3: so much to be said about it, and this does
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Speaker 3: seem to be the way that things are going Iran's
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Speaker 3: secret plan to escalate the war. That might be My
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Speaker 3: only equivval with this report is that it's not so secret.
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Speaker 3: They say most of the stuff out loud. True says
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Speaker 3: intercepted communications and other intelligence suggests a strategic shift by
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Speaker 3: hardline leaders to raise the cost through the US and
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Speaker 3: its regional allies. If you've been paying attention from day one,
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Speaker 3: that's basically been the strategy and what they say Iran
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Speaker 3: hardline leaders huddled in Tehran had now come up with
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Speaker 3: a different plan. In their view, the Pact was likely
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Speaker 3: just an attempt by the US and Israel to take
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Speaker 3: pressure off the global economy and buy time for a
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Speaker 3: bigger attack down the road. Instead of putting faith in
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Speaker 3: the talks, they took the past two months to prepare
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Speaker 3: now for a bigger fight. Their efforts include giving the
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Speaker 3: powerful IRGC more control of the country's powerful army, appointing
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Speaker 3: hardened veterans of the war with Iraq and past internal
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Speaker 3: crackdowns to keep posts, expanding domestic counterintelligence, and ramping up
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Speaker 3: the production of missiles and drones. The leadership has now
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Speaker 3: sees the initiative attacking ships to titans Iran's grips on
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Speaker 3: hormuves and expand the battlefield into the Red Sea, which
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Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia has used to get around Iran's chokehold in
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Speaker 3: the Strait of Hormuz. And lo and behold, all of
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Speaker 3: this is actually happening overnight and actually very late yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Let's put a six up here on the screen, just
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Speaker 3: to give an example. Iran actually seesed yesterday a ship
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Speaker 3: which was even going through the Iranian designated route just
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Speaker 3: to send a message that no more oil is going
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Speaker 3: to be able to get through. It was a Liberia
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Speaker 3: flagged and Indian owned vessel. That's important because India is
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Speaker 3: actually a very large buyer of Iranian oil traditionally has
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Speaker 3: very good relations actually with the country of Iran, so
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Speaker 3: that shows that they're willing to go you know, pretty strong,
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Speaker 3: I would say. To be fair, many were pointing out
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Speaker 3: this is a smaller ship, so it's not a total
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Speaker 3: disruption of supply, as Javier points out here, that's one
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Speaker 3: eighth the size of a typical oil supertanker. But the
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Speaker 3: UK Maritime Authority is actually reporting attack very very recently
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Speaker 3: in the last several hours. That happened for a ship
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Speaker 3: that was transiting via the Omani route on the Omani coast.
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Speaker 3: This was actually a very large tanker and so you
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Speaker 3: can see that the shooting continues to happen in the
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Speaker 3: strait of horror moves. Yesterday was the official expiration of
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Speaker 3: the memorandum of understanding. But I think if you put
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Speaker 3: this together, the US has no plan. Obviously, we're just
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Speaker 3: going to wait and see mode Trump is trying to
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Speaker 3: crush their economy. They're just not going to let that happen.
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Speaker 3: They're not going to let themselves be you know, bullied
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Speaker 3: to the brink of economic disaster.
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Speaker 1: The Iyatola.
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Speaker 3: You know, when we interviewed Treata last time, we were
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Speaker 3: asking about one simple appointment, you know, to the Security Council.
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Speaker 3: There have been nine separate appointments that all point in
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Speaker 3: the exact same direction. IRGC, hardline total control. They've been
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Speaker 3: hanging protesters again. Their internal you know, internal descent has
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Speaker 3: dropped dramatically, both because propaganda and I mean rally around
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Speaker 3: the flag is happening, but also they're going after anybody
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Speaker 3: who is even trying to challenge the regime.
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Speaker 1: So they are ready for a long war.
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Speaker 3: And I think what they're telling their people is we
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Speaker 3: are not going to let you all just starve and
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Speaker 3: be destitute.
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Speaker 1: We will fight far before any of that's going to happen.
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Speaker 3: That's bad news for the United States because gas still
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Speaker 3: remains around four dollars a gallon. You and I were talking.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot going on in diesel. It's kind of
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Speaker 3: hard to explain all of it. The bottom line is
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Speaker 3: diesel prices are going on. It's called the diesel crack spread.
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Speaker 3: Maybe we'll get rory one on Thursday, but there are
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Speaker 3: two separate pressures that are working to the Iranians favor,
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Speaker 3: both their attacks and just general choke hold for several
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Speaker 3: months now, but also Ukraine. Ukraine wiping out much of
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Speaker 3: the diesel diesel refinery in Russia, which has now banned
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Speaker 3: all export of diesel, previously one of the second the
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Speaker 3: second largest export of diesel in the world. So traumatic
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Speaker 3: escalation for industrial capacity that has much more of an
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Speaker 3: influence on everything that we buy as opposed to the
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Speaker 3: already high prices.
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Speaker 1: We're paying at the pump.
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Speaker 2: It really all comes down to the Strait of Hormus.
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Speaker 2: Iran has no intention of giving it back, of reopening it,
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Speaker 2: and having things go back to the status quo, and
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Speaker 2: the US that under Trump, feels we cannot allow it
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Speaker 2: to remain in Iranian hands. So Iran is betting that
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Speaker 2: with enough pain, Trump will ultimately capitulate to the reality
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Speaker 2: of the loss that the US has suffered on the battlefield.
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Speaker 2: I want to lay out for you an argument that
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Speaker 2: policy Tensor is making, that it is possible that that
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Speaker 2: giving up of the Strait of Hormus is so painful
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Speaker 2: to the US and Trump and his ego in particular,
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Speaker 2: that he would rather watch the global economy crater and
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Speaker 2: the world effectively get destroyed than acknowledge that defeat and
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Speaker 2: seed control of the Straight of Hormuz. So he lays
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Speaker 2: out the fact that both sides seem happy with the
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Speaker 2: war of sieges. You could either have the possibility that
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Speaker 2: both sides are right, both sides are wrong, that one
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Speaker 2: side right, that the other side is wrong. But he says,
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Speaker 2: the hard case is the one where both are actually wrong.
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Speaker 2: Iran can't coerce the US to surrender, HORRM moves not
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Speaker 2: because the noose can be neutralized. Instead, the US may
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Speaker 2: simply prove politically incapable of surrendering. Horrm moves even if
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Speaker 2: it destroys the world. And I think that is a
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Speaker 2: real possibility, because think about what we learned during the
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Speaker 2: MoU period, right there was this possibility. This is the
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Speaker 2: best deal that the US is going to be able
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Speaker 2: to achieve at this point.
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Speaker 4: Was it a good deal for the US.
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Speaker 2: No, But it was the best deal given the fact
10:35
Speaker 2: that we lost the war, given the fact that Iran
10:37
Speaker 2: clearly holds all the cards. The more days that go on,
10:40
Speaker 2: the more we learn about the additional cards that the
10:42
Speaker 2: Iranians hold because of our own munitions and our sailors
10:45
Speaker 2: are in utter misery on our carriers, and we're completely
10:49
Speaker 2: degraded as a military force, and our bases are destroyed,
10:51
Speaker 2: and Iran can reach our service members in Jordan, et cetera.
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Speaker 2: So we learn more and more about how strengthen the
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Speaker 2: Iranian position is. So Trump knows this going into the MoU.
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Speaker 2: He knows what a difficult situation we're in. He knows
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Speaker 2: that we've lost. Whether he wants to admit that to.
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Speaker 4: The world or not.
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Speaker 2: He says to the world, I did this because I
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Speaker 2: don't want to be Herbert Hoover, indicating that he is
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Speaker 2: concerned about a true crisis, economic crisis here in the
11:18
Speaker 2: US and globally.
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Speaker 4: And yet what does he do.
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Speaker 2: He immediately undercuts that deal because he cannot accept a
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Speaker 2: different status quo, a new reality in the Strait of
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Speaker 2: Horn moves. So again, the Iranians are betting. Okay, well,
11:32
Speaker 2: we can up the pressure. We can increase the gas prices.
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Speaker 2: We can potentially escalate, hitting golfare of allies, making their
11:40
Speaker 2: life more difficult, hitting more service members throughout the region,
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Speaker 2: causing more and more problems for global supply chains, and
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Speaker 2: further depleting the munitions. We can make the US pay
11:50
Speaker 2: until they are forced to reckon with the reality. There
11:53
Speaker 2: is a possibility though, that Trump and the US just
11:56
Speaker 2: never are willing to reckon with that reality. I think
11:59
Speaker 2: that's something a catastrophe we have to consider as a posspoy.
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Speaker 3: Wow, consider, I think that's what's going to happen. I mean,
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Speaker 3: how can you live with six months of four dollars
12:06
Speaker 3: gasoline and just say that they're oh, you know, there,
12:09
Speaker 3: it's for us. It's a disaster. I was actually just
12:12
Speaker 3: looking yesterday. Do you remember that compilation that we played
12:15
Speaker 3: on the show where all the White House officials said
12:17
Speaker 3: short term pain for long term game. That was one
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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty days ago, five almost six months to
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Speaker 3: the day that we played that compilation in the.
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Speaker 4: Show The Universe. Sid this is short term.
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, a long enough timeline.
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Speaker 3: This survival rate for everything drops to zero in the
12:35
Speaker 3: words of Fight Club. But you're like, come on, man,
12:37
Speaker 3: like this is one hundred and sixty days of short
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Speaker 3: term pain for long term gain.
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Speaker 1: I just looked.
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Speaker 3: Fox News is still parroting the same line this morning, saying, quote,
12:47
Speaker 3: this is a national security crisis. They say death to America.
12:50
Speaker 3: If they get a nuclear weapon, we won't even have
12:52
Speaker 3: cars to put a gas.
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Speaker 2: God, we are even talking about, like, are people buying
12:58
Speaker 2: this crap?
12:59
Speaker 4: Seriously?
13:00
Speaker 3: Yes, they're ninety two years old, and they're so you know,
13:03
Speaker 3: they're so decrepit that they could barely change the channel
13:05
Speaker 3: on their remote.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, they're the ones buying it.
13:07
Speaker 3: Eventually, they get off their ass once a year to
13:10
Speaker 3: go and vote, and they vote more than the rest
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Speaker 3: of us. Let's put a three up here on the screen.
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Speaker 3: This is just summarizes a little bit more of what
13:18
Speaker 3: we were talking about. This Iran war turns into an
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Speaker 3: economic battle. That's a new US strategy recalling the old one.
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Speaker 3: So obviously the official MoU as of yesterday is now dead.
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Speaker 3: Neither side is even you know, theoretically inside of this
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Speaker 3: memorandum of understanding. The June cease fire obviously is dead.
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Speaker 3: Straight of Horn MOVEZ remains the number one sticking point,
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Speaker 3: but Iran won't reopen the straight until the US honors
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Speaker 3: of ceasefire agreements. The US wants Iran to end the blockade.
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Speaker 3: Analysts describe it quote as a game of endurance, and
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Speaker 3: I think what they demonstrate is that this just comes
13:51
Speaker 3: back to the you know, the path of least resistance
13:55
Speaker 3: for the American Empire of let's say.
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Speaker 1: What the last you know, post Cold War period.
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Speaker 3: We don't actually want to go to war, we don't
14:03
Speaker 3: actually want our people to die, so we're willing to
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Speaker 3: emiserate our sailors on an eleven month hell cruise, and
14:11
Speaker 3: we're also willing to just you know, apply the global
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Speaker 3: economic sanctions. But we don't actually want to do anything
14:18
Speaker 3: more than that. And countries like Iran and Russia have
14:21
Speaker 3: figured that out. And Russia is like, okay, they're going
14:24
Speaker 3: to cut us off from the global economy. Remember their
14:26
Speaker 3: GDP went up because they're able to export their oil.
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Speaker 3: That's now why Ukraine is attacking it. It's the only
14:33
Speaker 3: real thing that they have left for them, and they
14:35
Speaker 3: have a tremendous munition's you know, capacity, which they never
14:38
Speaker 3: let leave in part because of the legacy of the
14:40
Speaker 3: Soviet Union, but because they also were never as fully
14:43
Speaker 3: globalized as a nation. But the rest of the West,
14:46
Speaker 3: I mean, we're in total fantasy because we always relied
14:49
Speaker 3: on these global economic sanctions and their power, and then
14:52
Speaker 3: we've found out with Russia that they don't really work.
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Speaker 1: Everybody already knew it didn't really work. Cuba was still
14:57
Speaker 1: around after eighty years.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you've got all these other In North Korea,
15:03
Speaker 3: we just did an appeacement policy towards yesterday, the most.
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Speaker 1: Cut off nation in the history of the world.
15:08
Speaker 3: Guess what, they got a duke all right, Now you
15:10
Speaker 3: get to make all kinds of demands when you got
15:12
Speaker 3: an ICBM that can destroy Hawaii. So that's the point
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Speaker 3: is that we are watching the degradation of all of
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Speaker 3: the easy things, which is in between soft and hard power.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of like medium I guess, which
15:25
Speaker 3: we've relied on for so many years.
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Speaker 1: It always had been falling apart.
15:28
Speaker 3: Venezuela another example, like you know, ultimately what brought down Maduro,
15:32
Speaker 3: we had to go kidnap him.
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Speaker 1: It's not because of anything else.
15:35
Speaker 3: So you could put these together and you can see
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Speaker 3: this failing strategy, and in my opinion, again the.
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Speaker 1: Ball is in Iran's court.
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Speaker 3: If they restart the war, it will really cause major
15:46
Speaker 3: logistical problems for the United States. I was reading the tankers.
15:50
Speaker 3: Many of those tankers which refuel midair, a lot of
15:53
Speaker 3: them had to come back to the United States from
15:55
Speaker 3: what I saw about the carrier, and I talked to
15:57
Speaker 3: some people who were familiar with this. While the sailors
16:01
Speaker 3: themselves are suffering. Remember many of these planes and other
16:03
Speaker 3: things because of the way that we have to fly
16:05
Speaker 3: to avoid Iran or very long distances, and you're not
16:09
Speaker 3: able to take off from the bases because Iran has
16:11
Speaker 3: wiped them out. The life cycle for their needing like
16:15
Speaker 3: a serious work up that actually was right around the
16:18
Speaker 3: time of the ceasefire. So Iran's watching this. They know
16:20
Speaker 3: now that they may have miscalculated by doing this in
16:23
Speaker 3: the first place, and they're kind of back to where
16:26
Speaker 3: things are. This falls in line with treat to Parsi's analysis,
16:29
Speaker 3: we can put his up here on the screen. He says,
16:32
Speaker 3: I am increasingly convinced there will be a third round
16:35
Speaker 3: in the US Israel Iran war. It is not inevitable,
16:38
Speaker 3: but the signals I'm picking up from the two sides,
16:39
Speaker 3: as well as from KEYGCC states, leave me quite pessimistic.
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Speaker 3: Tehran believes it has the military edge, is openly discussing
16:46
Speaker 3: going on the offensive instead of merely responding to American attacks.
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Speaker 3: By that Iran will not only have rested control of
16:52
Speaker 3: the scope and geography of the war, but also.
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Speaker 1: Timing from the United States.
16:56
Speaker 3: In the US, on the other hand, an increasingly frustrated
16:59
Speaker 3: Trump only he promises to annex a straight he cannot open,
17:02
Speaker 3: but also threatens to bomb Oman. Even though Musket by
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Speaker 3: all accounts, has become very helpful to the US broader strategy,
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Speaker 3: it is increasingly representing the US position in the talks
17:12
Speaker 3: rather than its own, given it was Oman's previous compromise
17:16
Speaker 3: proposals that prompted the first threat by Trump to bomb
17:19
Speaker 3: America's own mediator. And of course, Trump is formally endorsed
17:22
Speaker 3: the Pakistan, Saudi Turkey defense pack, which the Supreme leader
17:26
Speaker 3: Kamani has reshuffled much of the top Iranian leadership. So
17:30
Speaker 3: he talks about his substack Q and A, which he
17:33
Speaker 3: scheduled for August twenty third and eleven.
17:35
Speaker 1: You should go and subscribe to a substack to participate.
17:37
Speaker 3: But bigger picture, you know, he's hearing the same thing
17:40
Speaker 3: that the journal is reporting that many others can see
17:43
Speaker 3: in their open source is that they're ready, you know,
17:46
Speaker 3: if they want to, and in my opinion, know the
17:48
Speaker 3: oil market might finally be.
17:51
Speaker 1: Poised for their strategy to really work.
17:53
Speaker 3: Let's put a five like I was talking about earlier
17:56
Speaker 3: oil futures yesterday, just very you know, casual all going
18:01
Speaker 3: towards ninety dollars a barrel. Right now, it sits at
18:04
Speaker 3: exactly around ninety one dollars a barrel at Brent, so
18:08
Speaker 3: easily four dollars a gallon whenever it comes to the
18:11
Speaker 3: gas pump. You know why I think that's so significant
18:13
Speaker 3: is that previously, when it was around that high or
18:15
Speaker 3: well over one hundred, there was a lot of shooting
18:17
Speaker 3: going on, there was bombing. But that's not where things
18:20
Speaker 3: are right. You know, America has not even fired anything
18:22
Speaker 3: in Iran now and at least a week or so.
18:25
Speaker 3: And Iran, yeah, they shoul hit a few vessels, but
18:27
Speaker 3: you've got ninety. We talked about diesel earlier between Ukraine
18:31
Speaker 3: and Iran, the crack spread being at one hundred dollars
18:35
Speaker 3: a barrel, meaning the margin for refineries. Usually that's supposed
18:39
Speaker 3: to induce a lot more refineries to refine diesel in
18:42
Speaker 3: order to capture some of that profit and eventually bring
18:45
Speaker 3: it down. I read yesterday the United States is already
18:48
Speaker 3: running its refineries at ninety five percent, and so there's
18:51
Speaker 3: not any more slack left in our refinery than you've got,
18:56
Speaker 3: you know, like I said, the Russia situation, and we're
18:59
Speaker 3: just creeping towards industrial diesel, you know, being dramatically expensive
19:06
Speaker 3: more than it was even COVID, which has still shown
19:10
Speaker 3: up in our grocery price inflation five years later.
19:13
Speaker 1: So just think about the long term impact.
19:16
Speaker 3: I think of all this and all the other things
19:18
Speaker 3: that have still not come through the Strait, fertilized or helium,
19:22
Speaker 3: all of these different choke points we talked a lot
19:24
Speaker 3: about in the early days of the war, that's all
19:26
Speaker 3: showing up everywhere, and just generally like the expense that
19:30
Speaker 3: we're seeing in these hard materials, copper going sky high.
19:34
Speaker 3: Where these Chinese are printing money on copper, that is,
19:38
Speaker 3: oh my god, Like if you need electrical work or something,
19:40
Speaker 3: good luck to you, it's going.
19:41
Speaker 1: To cost you triple what it used to even a
19:43
Speaker 1: couple of years ago.
19:47
Speaker 2: So, just so you know, diesel crack sitting at one
19:50
Speaker 2: hundred dollars per barrel. So again the difference between diesel
19:53
Speaker 2: and bent crude is the highest that has ever been
19:56
Speaker 2: in history. It shows you, as a from a alam's perspective,
20:01
Speaker 2: the market is screwed up. Diesel is really expensive and
20:04
Speaker 2: there is no refining capacity to spare in order to
20:07
Speaker 2: generate more diesel. It also means so that number is
20:11
Speaker 2: typically about twenty dollars per barrel between fifteen and twenty five,
20:14
Speaker 2: that's where the diesel crack typically sits. It's now over
20:17
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars a barrel. So this is one sign
20:22
Speaker 2: that things could be truly heading over the cliff. And already,
20:25
Speaker 2: you know, even if your gas prices stay at four
20:28
Speaker 2: dollars down, which is not great. Even if it stays
20:32
Speaker 2: at that, perhaps for the economy manageable place diesel is
20:37
Speaker 2: incredibly important when you're talking about especially food production, when
20:40
Speaker 2: you're talking about shipping goods to stores, all of that
20:44
Speaker 2: is going to reflect the diesel price.
20:45
Speaker 4: So this is a major major issue.
20:48
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, of course, our strategy with a run now that
20:50
Speaker 2: we have sort of a given up on any of
20:53
Speaker 2: the potential military options, although we're going to tell you
20:56
Speaker 2: there are some insane ideas that appear to be contemplated,
20:58
Speaker 2: namely potentially deploying clear weapons, but for the moment, we've
21:02
Speaker 2: basically given up on a military strategy. Vies of the
21:04
Speaker 2: Iran and we had Scott Bessett come out last week
21:06
Speaker 2: and say we're going to use the most aggressive economic
21:11
Speaker 2: warfare that's ever been used. It's going to be something
21:13
Speaker 2: no one has seen in history, and a lot of
21:16
Speaker 2: experts are saying, well, what could you possibly do that
21:19
Speaker 2: we haven't already done, not only to Iran but Cuba.
21:22
Speaker 2: Ryan pointed out, it's much easier for us to strangle Cuba.
21:25
Speaker 2: But number one, Cuba is a tiny island with a
21:27
Speaker 2: lot less natural resources. Number two, it's right here, So
21:30
Speaker 2: it's much easier for us to institute this effective blockade
21:34
Speaker 2: of Cuba, which is unbelievably cruel and horrific to the population.
21:37
Speaker 2: By the way, what could we do that would be
21:40
Speaker 2: more than that? It really appears to just be blustered
21:44
Speaker 2: because we do not have the capability were they're already sanctioned.
21:48
Speaker 2: We've already done max the campaign of maximum pressure that
21:51
Speaker 2: is already in place. So it's hard to imagine how
21:54
Speaker 2: we can up the anti economically, it is not hard
21:57
Speaker 2: to imagine how Iran can up the ante on us,
22:00
Speaker 2: both economically and from a military perspective. I also just
22:03
Speaker 2: want to underscore soccer that politics matters in all of this.
22:07
Speaker 2: The fact that our population is not behind the war,
22:09
Speaker 2: and at least some percentage of the service members who
22:14
Speaker 2: are fighting this war are not behind this war, as
22:16
Speaker 2: evidenced by the graffiti being written in the dust of
22:20
Speaker 2: some airplane over in the region. That really matters because
22:25
Speaker 2: the Iranians have to be. They are galvanized behind this
22:28
Speaker 2: because it is an existential threat to their country. So
22:31
Speaker 2: it is a very very different political horizon and landscape
22:35
Speaker 2: here in the US versus in Iran, and can Trump
22:37
Speaker 2: can claim all he wants that he doesn't care about
22:39
Speaker 2: the midterms and he has no timeline but he's full
22:42
Speaker 2: of shit. Like if Trump says something, you almost know
22:46
Speaker 2: that the opposite is the case you care about getting worse.
22:49
Speaker 3: I mean, at the very least, if you don't care
22:50
Speaker 3: about legislation, which you know he don't like, you should
22:52
Speaker 3: probably care about.
22:52
Speaker 2: Getting in peace exactly, and the investigations that are going
22:55
Speaker 2: to come, like he does not want any of that.
22:57
Speaker 2: Not to mention, the thing that probably will bother him
22:59
Speaker 2: the most is the hit to his ego of if
23:02
Speaker 2: he oversees an historic landslide against him and his party
23:07
Speaker 2: in power, then he can no longer well he will,
23:10
Speaker 2: but he can no longer really credibly deny how unpopular
23:14
Speaker 2: and how much of a disaster his presidency his.
23:16
Speaker 3: H It's a new statement from Galibov, just dropped minutes ago.
23:18
Speaker 3: He says the straight of Horn Moves will remain closed
23:21
Speaker 3: until the US blockade is lifted, frozen assets are released,
23:24
Speaker 3: oil sanctions are removed, threats and military operations on all fronts,
23:27
Speaker 3: and the other terms of the agreement are fulfilled. In
23:30
Speaker 3: this prepared statement, he also threatens a return to active
23:34
Speaker 3: military operations if these conditions are not met. So again,
23:37
Speaker 3: it's not a secret, it's all out there that's in
23:41
Speaker 3: the open. So I am taking a look here at
23:43
Speaker 3: the diesel stuff, just to put it into consumer terms.
23:47
Speaker 3: Because the crackspread, it's like, why should I give a shit? Well,
23:49
Speaker 3: you should give a shit because one hundred and two
23:52
Speaker 3: plus ninety is what you know, nearly two hundred dollars.
23:56
Speaker 3: That's the price of the barrel before tax. So after
23:59
Speaker 3: tax and showing up at the pump, if you are
24:02
Speaker 3: a person who has a diesel operated vehicle right now,
24:05
Speaker 3: you are paying about five dollars and forty six cents
24:09
Speaker 3: a gallon on national average. The all time high diesel
24:13
Speaker 3: price from June of twenty twenty two is five dollars
24:16
Speaker 3: and eighty one cents. The current estimate is that with
24:19
Speaker 3: the current crack spread and barrel costs after tax, that
24:23
Speaker 3: most people in the national average will be roughly five
24:26
Speaker 3: sixty to six dollars a barrel if the horror moves
24:29
Speaker 3: stays blocked in the next four to eight weeks. If
24:31
Speaker 3: there is an escalation, another one dollar premium could be
24:34
Speaker 3: added to that, with a roughly six dollars twenty five
24:37
Speaker 3: cents per gallon average, with an additional dollar on top
24:41
Speaker 3: of that for California and for.
24:42
Speaker 1: The rest of the West coast.
24:44
Speaker 3: So that is what an actual runaway inflation in diesel
24:47
Speaker 3: looks like, and that would immediately show up in the
24:50
Speaker 3: cost of all industrial stuff, like in terms of trains,
24:54
Speaker 3: in terms of any trucking. I talked about the tow
24:57
Speaker 3: truck situation. Everything that is going to skyrocket in expense
25:02
Speaker 3: overnight if that will show up. And we're already on
25:05
Speaker 3: track to break the diesel all time record within the
25:08
Speaker 3: next forty eight weeks as it shows up actually at
25:10
Speaker 3: the pump right now.
25:11
Speaker 4: So that's where we're just getting started.
25:13
Speaker 1: And we are just getting started exactly.
25:15
Speaker 3: And that's why you know, you're saying, Oh, I think
25:17
Speaker 3: Trump is just going to sit there and take it.
25:19
Speaker 1: I agree.
25:20
Speaker 3: I mean most I've said about pain, Yeah, it's it's
25:23
Speaker 3: super painful. Trump is at his lowest approval rating of
25:26
Speaker 3: all time. He doesn't care, doesn't need to get re elected.
25:30
Speaker 3: I actually don't think he cares as much about the midterms.
25:33
Speaker 3: But you know, Hoover Territory, it takes a while to
25:35
Speaker 3: get to Hoover, right. It took a couple of years,
25:37
Speaker 3: even in the depression, for things to get really bad
25:41
Speaker 3: and to absolutely shock the political conscience and change the
25:44
Speaker 3: country forever. We're only six months into this thing. I mean,
25:47
Speaker 3: we could be two years of on off, on again,
25:50
Speaker 3: and it could you know, we could reach seven dollars
25:52
Speaker 3: a gallon before Trump actually bubbles.
25:55
Speaker 1: It's very possible.
25:56
Speaker 2: Well, the other thing is he's in such a bubble,
25:58
Speaker 2: you know, Natalie is telling him it's going great, and
26:01
Speaker 2: he's both in a class bubble because he and his
26:04
Speaker 2: entire family, including apparently Baron almost at this point, are billionaires.
26:08
Speaker 2: And he is also surrounded by a bunch of handpicked
26:11
Speaker 2: sick of fans, and then he goes to rallies with like,
26:15
Speaker 2: you know, the cult that he leads, so the pain
26:19
Speaker 2: that people are already feeling really doesn't penetrate. That's how
26:22
Speaker 2: he can say things like I'll never apologize for four
26:25
Speaker 2: dollars a gallon because to him it doesn't matter. To him,
26:28
Speaker 2: he is not in touch with anyone for whom that
26:32
Speaker 2: is the material difference in their lives. This is a
26:35
Speaker 2: problem with all presidents, but it's a particular problem with
26:37
Speaker 2: him because of the way he's constructed the ecosystem around himself.
26:40
Speaker 2: He puts himself in a news bubble, he's not even
26:42
Speaker 2: on Twitter anymore to like scroll and see some.
26:44
Speaker 4: Of the descent there.
26:45
Speaker 2: He has really cocooned himself from any critique of the
26:51
Speaker 2: absolutely disastrous policies that he's unleashed. So I think that
26:55
Speaker 2: has to factor into his psychology as well in terms
26:59
Speaker 2: of how he approaches all of this. So, like I
27:02
Speaker 2: was saying before, though, even though for the moment there
27:06
Speaker 2: seems to have been a decision to give up on
27:08
Speaker 2: military options, that doesn't mean that there aren't insane military
27:12
Speaker 2: options that may be contemplated from this White House.
27:14
Speaker 3: Correct, let's move to now the you know, well, he
27:19
Speaker 3: said we're not going to sit there and take it.
27:20
Speaker 3: But they might also obviously use nuclear weapons. It's a
27:23
Speaker 3: very remote possibility, but could be a possibility. Margie Taylor
27:27
Speaker 3: Green recently grabbed a lot of headlines saying that the
27:30
Speaker 3: people inside the White House are discussing this. That was
27:33
Speaker 3: immediately denied. However, you have Mark Levin, who the President
27:37
Speaker 3: loves and apparently recommends his television show all the time,
27:40
Speaker 3: wherever he's calling for ground troops and more basically implying
27:43
Speaker 3: that nukes are now necessary to end the war with Iran.
27:46
Speaker 7: Let's take a listen, Why is it so difficult? First,
27:50
Speaker 7: the Iranian regime is not going to surrender. It is
27:55
Speaker 7: never going to surrender. You know, we've been in war
28:00
Speaker 7: before where we fought enemies that wouldn't surrender either. Remember
28:04
Speaker 7: the Kamakazis. Remember Japan. Remember the emperor was like a
28:09
Speaker 7: demi god to the people back then. Tojo was very stubborn,
28:15
Speaker 7: very headstrong, and unfortunately we had to drop two atomic
28:20
Speaker 7: bombs until they would surrender. Obviously we're not going to
28:23
Speaker 7: do that now, But I'm talking about an enemy that
28:27
Speaker 7: is dug.
28:28
Speaker 3: In, an enemy that's done. Obviously we're not going to
28:31
Speaker 3: do that now. But wink wink wouldn't be the worst idea.
28:34
Speaker 1: In the world.
28:35
Speaker 3: The Runian regime is not going to surrender, remember Japan.
28:38
Speaker 3: I mean, by the way, even if you're going to
28:41
Speaker 3: take nukes off the table, what he is advocating for,
28:44
Speaker 3: which was Trump's original the whole civilization will die tonight,
28:48
Speaker 3: was what the United States was doing before the nukes,
28:50
Speaker 3: which is almost as bad. If you asked me, you know,
28:53
Speaker 3: you could kill one hundred thousand people in a single night.
28:56
Speaker 3: If you want to just drop napalm from a very
28:59
Speaker 3: you know, short since and burn everybody alive.
29:02
Speaker 1: It can happen. We can do that. We could do
29:03
Speaker 1: it all right now.
29:04
Speaker 3: Actually we didn't really want to because it's not the
29:07
Speaker 3: way we're supposed to fight war. But that's what he's implying,
29:10
Speaker 3: and that's basically what he's advocating for, is wipe every
29:13
Speaker 3: single one of their cities off of the off the map,
29:16
Speaker 3: and burn their entire population alive.
29:18
Speaker 1: So are we all okay with that? For what?
29:21
Speaker 3: So that they cannot get a nuclear weapon that they
29:23
Speaker 3: don't have and never did.
29:24
Speaker 1: I mean, what is this? It's ludicrous, sin sann.
29:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to margin so MTG let's put her tweet
29:30
Speaker 3: up here on the screen.
29:31
Speaker 1: Here's what she said.
29:32
Speaker 3: They are discussing using nuclear weapons on Iran and strategy meetings. Yes,
29:36
Speaker 3: you read that correctly. It real, it's real. I'm not speculating,
29:39
Speaker 3: I know. And it's pure evil. She goes on, obviously,
29:42
Speaker 3: about what happened to the Japanese after the nuclear web
29:45
Speaker 3: or after the atomic bomb was dropped. She says, Trump
29:48
Speaker 3: and his own admin were told by our own intelligence
29:50
Speaker 3: Iran was nowhere near creating a nuclear weapon. Then Israel
29:54
Speaker 3: said that same line is repeated for decades. Iran is
29:57
Speaker 3: only weeks away, she continues. People need to speak out,
30:01
Speaker 3: speak out, and boldly stop this insanity. America is not untouchable.
30:05
Speaker 3: If and when that happens, everyone, and I do mean everyone,
30:07
Speaker 3: will hold all of those in leadership now fully responsible
30:10
Speaker 3: for the rest of human history. Do not use nuclear
30:12
Speaker 3: weapons and stop this war now. Again, like I said,
30:15
Speaker 3: the White House completely denied this, said, you know whatever
30:19
Speaker 3: Marjorie Taylor Brown or whatever nickname that they've come up
30:23
Speaker 3: with her. But it's one of those where how could
30:26
Speaker 3: you put it outside the realm of possibility? Just like
30:29
Speaker 3: with Israel, maybe honestly more so with them, we have
30:32
Speaker 3: more norms in this country than they do over there.
30:34
Speaker 3: They could do it if they really were feeling the pain.
30:37
Speaker 3: As we saw after forty days of conflict, they were
30:41
Speaker 3: down to single digit interceptors, and without the American Empire
30:44
Speaker 3: defending and shooting billions of dollars with our own missiles
30:48
Speaker 3: to defend them, they would have been screwed. Hundreds of
30:50
Speaker 3: their people would have died in those attacks, and huge
30:53
Speaker 3: portions of Tel Aviv would have been wiped off the map.
30:56
Speaker 3: And so could we really put it past them not
30:58
Speaker 3: to do it either. I mean, that's another when we
31:00
Speaker 3: say use nuclear weapons, it may not just be us.
31:02
Speaker 3: You can always farm your workout if you want. And
31:05
Speaker 3: in Israel and even in the United States, this term
31:08
Speaker 3: tactical nuke keeps coming back. There is no such thing
31:12
Speaker 3: as a tactical nuke. If you use it, even if
31:14
Speaker 3: it's a small one, which is like Hiroshima, that's a
31:17
Speaker 3: small one, then you're still have broken the eighty year
31:21
Speaker 3: taboo and have entered an entire new age. Like any
31:25
Speaker 3: use of a radiation even device, a dirty bomb or
31:28
Speaker 3: something like that would shatter the entire understanding of war
31:31
Speaker 3: between nations.
31:32
Speaker 2: I don't know how you could rule it out when
31:34
Speaker 2: every other post World War two taboo has been broken
31:38
Speaker 2: over just the past couple of years. In particular, we
31:41
Speaker 2: watch entire population be starved. This policy was announced, This
31:45
Speaker 2: wasn't a secret, this was broadcast, it was bragged about,
31:49
Speaker 2: and we just stood by, we helped, and the world
31:51
Speaker 2: stood by and watched. So I don't know how you
31:54
Speaker 2: can see what was done in Gaza.
31:57
Speaker 4: I don't know how you can watch.
31:58
Speaker 2: Israel just casually and next thing, whatever territory of their
32:01
Speaker 2: neighbors and destroying villages and again announcing this, doing it
32:05
Speaker 2: brazenly celebrating ethnic lensing, claiming, now you know they're gonna take.
32:09
Speaker 4: Control of the whole gaza strip if they want to.
32:12
Speaker 2: I don't know how you can watch all of that
32:13
Speaker 2: and say, oh, but the nuclear taboo, that's the one
32:16
Speaker 2: that's going to hold. Why why this president's entirem is
32:20
Speaker 2: breaking every taboo you could ever think of.
32:22
Speaker 4: That's his thing.
32:23
Speaker 2: So why when he's backed into a corner and every
32:27
Speaker 2: other military strategy has been proven to either be a
32:31
Speaker 2: failure or unable to accomplish it because of our low
32:34
Speaker 2: munition stockpiles, because of the way we've been chased down
32:37
Speaker 2: of the region and off of our bases. When everything
32:40
Speaker 2: else is off the table, what makes you think that
32:43
Speaker 2: he wouldn't look at this as well?
32:45
Speaker 4: What about that option? What about that?
32:47
Speaker 2: Is that the way that I can rescue my position here?
32:51
Speaker 2: He is like the gambler, constantly doubling down, doubling down,
32:54
Speaker 2: doubling down. He cannot accept the loss that would be
32:59
Speaker 2: in evidence if he truly went forward with something like
33:02
Speaker 2: the mo you and acknowledge, okay, Ron now has control
33:05
Speaker 2: of the straight of horror, moves.
33:06
Speaker 4: So what do you do?
33:07
Speaker 2: You do things that are increasingly insane. And that's the
33:10
Speaker 2: place where we're at now. So that's why you can't
33:14
Speaker 2: possibly take it off the table, because you know where
33:18
Speaker 2: we're at, and you know who you're dealing with, and
33:20
Speaker 2: we've all had the experience over the past several years
33:23
Speaker 2: of seeing norms broken, taboos violated over and over and
33:27
Speaker 2: over again that you never would have imagined could have
33:29
Speaker 2: been put. Levels of cruelty that were you know, are
33:32
Speaker 2: are so creative you couldn't have given possibly imagined that.
33:35
Speaker 2: So I don't know how you could say with any
33:37
Speaker 2: confidence that this would be put off.
33:38
Speaker 1: The disc I put it much more in the ball
33:40
Speaker 1: of the Israelis.
33:41
Speaker 3: I just think that it would be so easy to
33:43
Speaker 3: see something like that happen, and considering what they've done,
33:47
Speaker 3: I mean I saw a video today of them launching
33:49
Speaker 3: like catapults and trebuchets in modern day, just to make
33:53
Speaker 3: a point in Lebanon, that's who they are. I mean,
33:56
Speaker 3: look at Ben Givier. What did he say is like,
33:57
Speaker 3: they're less than human. We should kill thirty or four
34:00
Speaker 3: of them every single night. And then some Jewish group
34:03
Speaker 3: was like he shouldn't be saying that that doesn't reflect Israel,
34:06
Speaker 3: And you're like, well, he is the minist literally Minister
34:08
Speaker 3: national Security, so maybe it does, Yeah, actually reflect them.
34:12
Speaker 3: I don't put it out of the realm of possibility.
34:14
Speaker 2: For them, they have genuinely convinced themselves this is existential.
34:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they made it. They kind of made it
34:21
Speaker 1: existential for themselves.
34:22
Speaker 2: And so they believe that their own security, for their
34:25
Speaker 2: own country to be secure, they have to basically destroy
34:30
Speaker 2: anyone in the region that could potentially pose as a threat.
34:34
Speaker 2: And so, yes, that logic leads you only to one place.
34:37
Speaker 2: And they also with this group of fanatics that not
34:40
Speaker 2: only is in control of government, but that is consistent
34:43
Speaker 2: with majority public sentiment within the country. At this point,
34:46
Speaker 2: they also have convinced themselves that they are inherently the
34:50
Speaker 2: good guys and so nothing they could do would be
34:53
Speaker 2: immoral or evil because they are inherently the victims and
34:57
Speaker 2: the good guys in history, and so anything is justified
35:01
Speaker 2: in service of protecting themselves and their state. So that
35:05
Speaker 2: sort of ideology, it's not hard to see how that
35:07
Speaker 2: gets you to the place of, well, maybe.
35:09
Speaker 4: We need to use a nuke.
35:10
Speaker 1: Now, let's get to the carrier.
35:14
Speaker 2: We of course have been covering the abhorrent conditions aboard
35:18
Speaker 2: our aircraft carriers in the region. Trump was once against
35:21
Speaker 2: asked about those conditions, and once again downplayed the situation.
35:25
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen, mister President. Is there enough food
35:28
Speaker 4: on the USS Lincoln.
35:29
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was a CNN fake report. The Lincoln has
35:35
Speaker 8: been out there for a period of time, good period
35:39
Speaker 8: of time, but over the years, we've had him out
35:41
Speaker 8: there much longer. I was at a group meeting and
35:44
Speaker 8: an admiral came up to see me over the weekend,
35:47
Speaker 8: and it was at a big group and he happened
35:49
Speaker 8: to be an admiral retired. He said, I've been on
35:52
Speaker 8: ships are out there much longer than that's there, and
35:55
Speaker 8: I know people on the Lincoln. They say it's beautifully
35:58
Speaker 8: maintained and beautifully taken care. And other people went out
36:01
Speaker 8: and they found out to be true. It was fake
36:03
Speaker 8: news reporting from CNN.
36:05
Speaker 2: I mean, there are other carriers that have been deployed longer,
36:09
Speaker 2: but this is very close to a record, and we,
36:12
Speaker 2: as we covered yesterday, have incredible difficulties when it comes
36:16
Speaker 2: to resupplying these ships. So that's why the food quality
36:20
Speaker 2: is severely degraded.
36:22
Speaker 4: Because our bases.
36:23
Speaker 2: Were destroyed in the region, we're unable to supply them
36:26
Speaker 2: in the way that we had planned, and so it
36:28
Speaker 2: is a bit of a disaster.
36:29
Speaker 3: But what pissed me off about that is that everyone's
36:31
Speaker 3: trying to get technical with deployment. Deployment is not the
36:34
Speaker 3: same as time away from port. It is, by the
36:36
Speaker 3: Navy's owned admission, the longest time away from port in
36:40
Speaker 3: their own history.
36:41
Speaker 1: So that's it.
36:42
Speaker 3: Since World War Two, a carrier has never spent that
36:44
Speaker 3: long a seat without a port call, which means no
36:47
Speaker 3: time off, working around the clock, difficulty with resupply. So, yes,
36:51
Speaker 3: all of the reports are empirically true. Yeah, whenever we
36:54
Speaker 3: see So he's like some admirals like, oh, I spent
36:57
Speaker 3: longer out there.
36:58
Speaker 1: I'm like, first of all, you probably weren't at war,
37:00
Speaker 1: the fucker.
37:00
Speaker 3: And then second, you definitely had a port call, yeah,
37:03
Speaker 3: every once in a while in Kuwait, which was probably
37:05
Speaker 3: right where you were. And these guys are literally sitting
37:08
Speaker 3: out there with nothing, waiting twenty two hundred miles for
37:11
Speaker 3: new fresh food.
37:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, and tampon's and hygien products. Come on, I mean,
37:16
Speaker 2: and you've literally got guys trying to jump off the ship. Yeah,
37:19
Speaker 2: we're going to deny this reality of what is going
37:22
Speaker 2: on here. It's unimaginable. And meanwhile, so you had Fox
37:25
Speaker 2: News reporter Joey Jones, who is a war veteran Afghanistan
37:30
Speaker 2: actually had both his legs blown off in combat, and
37:34
Speaker 2: he really went on.
37:35
Speaker 4: A tear about how.
37:36
Speaker 2: Lame these people complaining are, etc. Let's take a listen
37:40
Speaker 2: to what he had to say.
37:41
Speaker 9: How weak are you on TV complaining about tuna and noodles.
37:46
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, you volunteered to serve your country. You can
37:50
Speaker 9: come back, get out of the military and do look
37:53
Speaker 9: all of these Democrat veterans and complain about it and
37:56
Speaker 9: make commercials and be a sellout if you want to
38:00
Speaker 9: come up with a new way of doing things. The
38:02
Speaker 9: last Democrat president that I remember that was deploying troops,
38:05
Speaker 9: Barack Obama had the Army going to Iraq on patrol
38:09
Speaker 9: basis for fifteen months at a time, eating MREs. I'm sorry,
38:14
Speaker 9: but you're a sitting duck on a patrol base in
38:16
Speaker 9: Iraq in Afghanistan a heck of a lot more than you
38:19
Speaker 9: are on a fort to five Navy ship. Sitting in
38:21
Speaker 9: the water, you might have got bored. And I'm sorry,
38:24
Speaker 9: we did have more fun getting in firefights, I'll say that.
38:27
Speaker 9: But to sit there and say that it was terrible
38:30
Speaker 9: because you had a corn.
38:31
Speaker 1: Dog and a hot dog.
38:32
Speaker 9: I would have traded a block a sea ford to
38:34
Speaker 9: the Taliban for a hot dog by about July twenty ten.
38:38
Speaker 9: I just do not understand the mentality. If this is
38:41
Speaker 9: a representation of who our military is now, and I'm
38:43
Speaker 9: not saying it is, but there's at least enough for
38:45
Speaker 9: some of these trash rags to reprint about it. If
38:48
Speaker 9: this is who we are, we're just roam, sitting here
38:50
Speaker 9: waiting to burn. We've got nothing left. It makes me
38:53
Speaker 9: absolutely It makes me fume.
38:54
Speaker 1: If he sitt there and said we.
38:56
Speaker 9: Didn't have any clean water to drink, we couldn't take
38:58
Speaker 9: a shower. I mean, well I didn't get take a
39:00
Speaker 9: shower for about six months, but still, you know something
39:02
Speaker 9: that has something to do with hygiene or you know,
39:04
Speaker 9: like getting sick. There was a scurvy outbreak, and you
39:07
Speaker 9: know the guys that were missing legs were only giving
39:09
Speaker 9: wooden pegs instead of metal ones, Then maybe I might
39:12
Speaker 9: have some sympathy But to that little kid and whoever
39:17
Speaker 9: raised him, Lord help you if you ever go into
39:21
Speaker 9: a hot war on the ground, like millions of Americans.
39:24
Speaker 9: I can only think what a World War two veteran
39:26
Speaker 9: sitting there, who's loocid enough today to see that and
39:29
Speaker 9: think about the six month journey home from fighting the
39:32
Speaker 9: toughest war we've ever fought after being there for four years,
39:35
Speaker 9: was thinking listening to him complained like that. I just
39:38
Speaker 9: the series day that Nyvy put out his response, that's
39:40
Speaker 9: my response in the story there.
39:43
Speaker 4: Is thank you for a lot going on there.
39:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Joey.
39:46
Speaker 3: Is that those guys in World War Two were fighting
39:48
Speaker 3: the Nazis, the Japanese who attacked us right, not fighting
39:52
Speaker 3: a foolish war which we were losing.
39:55
Speaker 2: And I don't think any of us would be sitting
39:57
Speaker 2: here handering about the conditions. I mean, we maybe still
40:00
Speaker 2: concerned about it, but if it was a war that
40:02
Speaker 2: we felt was just that we felt was worth the
40:05
Speaker 2: sacrifice of these men and women who signed up to
40:08
Speaker 2: serve the country. But the vast majority of people don't,
40:11
Speaker 2: And so you know, there's a lot there. Not to
40:14
Speaker 2: over psychologize, but I'm sorry for this man. That we
40:18
Speaker 2: sent him to Afghanistan and he lost both of his legs,
40:21
Speaker 2: and for what the Taliban is back in control, Like
40:24
Speaker 2: for what did he and so many of his comrades
40:28
Speaker 2: suffer either physical injuries or mental injuries, or lost their
40:32
Speaker 2: entire lives or their families fell apart, Like we did
40:36
Speaker 2: all of that for years in a rock in Afghanistan
40:39
Speaker 2: and for what? And so some people have grappled with that,
40:45
Speaker 2: and it's a very difficult and I know people as
40:48
Speaker 2: you do too that's served in those wars and have
40:50
Speaker 2: to grapple with the fact that they were away from
40:52
Speaker 2: their families and they suffered these traumas and suffered these
40:55
Speaker 2: injuries and ultimately for nothing.
40:57
Speaker 4: That is a very hard thing to grapple with.
41:00
Speaker 2: He clearly has taken the other approach of holding on
41:03
Speaker 2: to the idea that no matter what the war is
41:05
Speaker 2: that America.
41:06
Speaker 4: Is engaged in, it's good. It's just it's worth its sacrifice.
41:09
Speaker 2: It was worth me having my legs blown off to
41:12
Speaker 2: accomplish literally nothing in Afghanistan. And so now here he
41:16
Speaker 2: is on Fox News berating these men and women as
41:20
Speaker 2: being weaklings and Democrat partisans because they're like, hey, I've
41:25
Speaker 2: lost thirty pounds. He also mentions, oh, maybe if the
41:28
Speaker 2: water was bad, maybe then i'd care. Well, there are
41:31
Speaker 2: reports the water is unsafe, because maybe if you couldn't
41:33
Speaker 2: take a shower. Have you looked at the shower facilities,
41:36
Speaker 2: you know, the ford that had to be pulled from
41:37
Speaker 2: the region, their entire bathroom of the facilities were not functioning.
41:42
Speaker 2: There were you know, the toilets were not worried like
41:45
Speaker 2: this is a disasterus situation.
41:46
Speaker 4: To the point again that you have men who are
41:48
Speaker 4: trying to jump off the ship.
41:51
Speaker 2: You think it's just because they're a little bit bored,
41:53
Speaker 2: as he put it, I mean, I just I just
41:56
Speaker 2: can't understand that that mentality is actually given his life
42:02
Speaker 2: path and his trajectory and what he was made to
42:04
Speaker 2: suffer on behalf of a useless war. And yet now
42:08
Speaker 2: you want to be the top cheerleader to push new
42:11
Speaker 2: men and women into another useless war, to be away
42:14
Speaker 2: from their family, missed the birth of their children, miss graduations,
42:18
Speaker 2: and to suffer this incredible psychological and in some cases
42:22
Speaker 2: physical trauma and injury.
42:25
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's hard.
42:25
Speaker 1: To volunteer to be pawns in a useless war which
42:29
Speaker 1: we're losing and to Trump.
42:31
Speaker 3: Even by the way, even if they did volunteer and
42:34
Speaker 3: wanted to go fight, I can guarantee you this is
42:36
Speaker 3: not what they had wanted to sign up for. There's
42:39
Speaker 3: a famous Bill Hicks line from nineteen the nineteen nineties
42:42
Speaker 3: where he said, I'm in the unenvied position of being
42:45
Speaker 3: for the war but against the troops. It was a joke,
42:48
Speaker 3: but it's that's the reality. Now they're like, we're for
42:51
Speaker 3: the war and we hate the troops. That's basically we've
42:54
Speaker 3: come full circle to like a sketch. But from back then,
42:57
Speaker 3: that's what that kind of reminds me of, is that
42:59
Speaker 3: you're a if you sit there and you complain. I mean,
43:03
Speaker 3: you know, if your parents, so if you went through
43:05
Speaker 3: something really difficult, don't you not want your kid to
43:09
Speaker 3: go through that, or like people who you love, don't
43:12
Speaker 3: you want to try and construct a reality where, like
43:15
Speaker 3: I really suffered, I want to make sure other people
43:18
Speaker 3: don't have to suffer in the same regard. Maybe I'm
43:21
Speaker 3: just a normal person, I guess, because that's how I
43:23
Speaker 3: also feel. Many of the VET GWA veterans I know,
43:26
Speaker 3: they're like, I would not wish that on a nineteen
43:28
Speaker 3: or a twenty year old and put them in that
43:30
Speaker 3: position and have Dick Cheney, and you know, that's why
43:32
Speaker 3: they have so much hatred for them, as they volunteered
43:34
Speaker 3: with patriotism and with zeal from a commercial and then
43:37
Speaker 3: found themselves watching their friends get blown up and then
43:39
Speaker 3: the Taliban come back in power.
43:40
Speaker 1: That's probably gonna be one of the.
43:41
Speaker 3: Most psychologically devastating things of all time for Vietnam. A
43:45
Speaker 3: lot of the people speak in exactly the same tones
43:48
Speaker 3: of like we were in their case that were drafted.
43:51
Speaker 3: A lot of them imagine, you know, plucked against your will,
43:53
Speaker 3: sent into the middle of the jungle, and then you
43:55
Speaker 3: have to watch that helicopter take off in nineteen seventy
43:57
Speaker 3: five and North Vietnam take over the whole your life.
44:00
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what was it all for?
44:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and it all done so casually and carelessly.
44:06
Speaker 2: That's the other part is it also would be one
44:08
Speaker 2: thing if that tony you were getting from leadership was like,
44:11
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, We're doing everything we can yes to
44:14
Speaker 2: relieve this suffering. Instead you're getting complete denials. Oh this
44:18
Speaker 2: is fake news, or stop being weaklings, suck it up.
44:21
Speaker 4: Buttercup.
44:22
Speaker 2: And it all comes back to the fact that going
44:25
Speaker 2: into this, we did not have anything approaching a sensible
44:28
Speaker 2: plan and strategy. We didn't anticipate that they'd be able
44:32
Speaker 2: to hit our bases. Well, that's something that should have
44:34
Speaker 2: been knowable, should have been knowable, but apparently we didn't
44:37
Speaker 2: plan for that. We didn't plan for the fact that
44:40
Speaker 2: they would be able to close the straight for it.
44:41
Speaker 4: We thought this thing would be Trump Trump.
44:43
Speaker 3: Not we.
44:44
Speaker 2: I think the military brass and the intel community they
44:46
Speaker 2: should have raised more objections, but they knew it was
44:49
Speaker 2: not going to be the four day soiree that Trump
44:53
Speaker 2: convinced himself and that the Israelis convinced Trump of.
44:57
Speaker 4: So it also all comes.
44:58
Speaker 2: Back to just the complete, we casual, nothing matters, careless
45:02
Speaker 2: nature in which we embarked upon a very serious, deadly
45:06
Speaker 2: destructive endeavor. And now these sailors are on the front
45:11
Speaker 2: lines of having to reckon with that completely destructive, careless
45:15
Speaker 2: reality that was crafted for them by leadership. And yet
45:18
Speaker 2: they are damn well within their rights to be furious
45:21
Speaker 2: about that, and their families are damn well within their
45:23
Speaker 2: rights to be furious about that right.
45:25
Speaker 3: And just to show you some more about what Fox
45:28
Speaker 3: is doing. They recently put up a graphic. They said, hey,
45:32
Speaker 3: how's gas today compared to where it was?
45:35
Speaker 1: I'm going to play for you. If you're watching, see
45:37
Speaker 1: if you could spot the air. Let's take a listen.
45:39
Speaker 10: So President Trump asking Americans for patients and paying a
45:42
Speaker 10: little bit more for gas because the unified message from
45:46
Speaker 10: here is that gas prices will drop quickly once the
45:49
Speaker 10: operations finish. The President says that he has to do
45:52
Speaker 10: this to make sure that a Ran never gets a
45:55
Speaker 10: nuclear weapon.
45:56
Speaker 3: So if you were watching that, you might surmise that
45:58
Speaker 3: today gasoline four dollars and six cents a gallon. A
46:01
Speaker 3: week ago it was four dollars and a year ago
46:04
Speaker 3: it was four dollars and thirteen cents a gallon.
46:06
Speaker 1: And you would say, oh, actually it's not that bad.
46:09
Speaker 3: You're a boomer. You can take that right to the bank.
46:11
Speaker 3: Fox News said it right. The problem is is that
46:14
Speaker 3: a year ago gas was three dollars and fourteen cents
46:17
Speaker 3: a gallon. And let's just think about all the steps
46:20
Speaker 3: that that had to go through to get up on
46:23
Speaker 3: the air. We know we have a graphics team, right,
46:25
Speaker 3: so we go through this before we do our show,
46:27
Speaker 3: we go through every single one, and even then sometimes
46:31
Speaker 3: if there's an error, and then there's multiple checks to
46:33
Speaker 3: make sure that that stuff doesn't happen. But this is
46:36
Speaker 3: the most obvious one where you'll be like, well, hold
46:38
Speaker 3: on a second, it wasn't four dollars and thirteen cents
46:41
Speaker 3: a gallon a year ago. Nobody caught that somebody threw
46:44
Speaker 3: it up there and didn't look at it, not buying it,
46:47
Speaker 3: that it wasn't intentional or at the very least. What
46:50
Speaker 3: it does show is that they paid no attention or
46:52
Speaker 3: that it was done in such a way to you know,
46:55
Speaker 3: falsely convey this information.
46:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, or they're just so delusional in their own Huble
46:59
Speaker 2: Bubble also was multimillionaire in news cable hosts that they're like,
47:03
Speaker 2: oh that's the maybe, yeah, maybe you know, there's so
47:06
Speaker 2: delusional about Trump's greenness, etc. That it probably didn't strike
47:09
Speaker 2: them as being off. So yeah, a cable news show,
47:14
Speaker 2: there are going to be so their teams are so
47:16
Speaker 2: much larger than our tamyr. There's going to be many
47:19
Speaker 2: more layers of You have the person who conceives of
47:22
Speaker 2: the graphic, you have the person who creates the graphic.
47:25
Speaker 2: You have the producer who approves the graphic, then you
47:27
Speaker 2: have the person who.
47:28
Speaker 4: Puts it up on screen.
47:29
Speaker 2: You have all of the anchors who are going to
47:31
Speaker 2: review all of the elements that are going into the show.
47:34
Speaker 2: So you have like a chain of probably something like
47:37
Speaker 2: five people at least who are going to take a
47:39
Speaker 2: look at this thing and sign off on it. As like, yep,
47:42
Speaker 2: gas was four dollars and thirteen cents a year ago.
47:44
Speaker 2: It's actually gone down a year over year. That's where
47:46
Speaker 2: we are a good job. Was that just a little
47:48
Speaker 2: bit more expensive than it was let's say a week ago,
47:50
Speaker 2: but we're actually doing okay. So very revealing of the
47:54
Speaker 2: propaganda mindset over at Fox. And lastly, just to show
47:59
Speaker 2: you it's not just the the carriers, there's an overall
48:01
Speaker 2: problem that seth Harp has been talking a lot about
48:04
Speaker 2: with our military in general. You had the USS Benfold
48:07
Speaker 2: that was apparently stalled in the South China Sea baking
48:11
Speaker 2: in the sun for four days after some what they
48:16
Speaker 2: describe as an engineering casualty. That means they were without
48:20
Speaker 2: galley services, without toilets, without air conditioning, pultable water also affected.
48:26
Speaker 2: The person they were speaking to did not respond to
48:29
Speaker 2: a question about how sailors handled waste. Can you imagine
48:35
Speaker 2: four days rocking in the sea, getting seasick, no toilets,
48:40
Speaker 2: no water, no food, nothing, what an I amare? But
48:46
Speaker 2: I'm sure Joey Jones would tell them, no big deal,
48:47
Speaker 2: second of it it.
48:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, just got to pole your.
48:50
Speaker 4: You're a democrat if you don't like this.
48:54
Speaker 3: It's so great? And why does it matter? Why does
48:56
Speaker 3: it matter? Engineering happens? How much do we spend on
48:59
Speaker 3: these things? Uss spend full there. Let let's look it up.
49:02
Speaker 3: Let's look it up together for the actual cost. It's
49:05
Speaker 3: a Burk class destroyer. So currently one billion dollars according
49:11
Speaker 3: to nineteen ninety fiscal value, right, so from the nineties.
49:15
Speaker 1: So what's that go today? Two point two billion?
49:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, replacement costs two point two billion to two
49:21
Speaker 3: point seven billion. The ship recently underwent a thirty two
49:25
Speaker 3: million dollar dry dock in twenty eleven for technical and
49:28
Speaker 3: combat system improvement from BAE Systems. So the repairs and
49:34
Speaker 3: the overall replacements, well, ower two billion dollar ship.
49:37
Speaker 1: This is not World War two. You know, you're just
49:39
Speaker 1: cranking them out.
49:40
Speaker 3: We know there's a little bit of defect, but we
49:42
Speaker 3: need to get them out into the field. These are
49:44
Speaker 3: in the you know, there's a multi billion dollar piece
49:48
Speaker 3: of equipment supposed to have the best facilities, goes completely
49:52
Speaker 3: dead for four days in the middle of the water. Yeah,
49:55
Speaker 3: no update on how the crew sup you know, was
49:58
Speaker 3: able to fair during that period. People really should be
50:02
Speaker 3: panicking about this because the rot of our military industrial
50:05
Speaker 3: complex is everywhere. So yesterday I just saw the Pentagon
50:09
Speaker 3: is bragging twenty three billion to speed up Tomahawk deliveries.
50:14
Speaker 3: I said, oh, okay, speed up by how much? They
50:17
Speaker 3: don't tell you. Both are a system of the lockeyed
50:20
Speaker 3: company that makes it. They're not telling us has speed
50:22
Speaker 3: up by much. The Pentagon is not saying what the
50:25
Speaker 3: delivery timeline is going to be. Speed up by one
50:28
Speaker 3: fifth or by five hundred percent, big difference, same number.
50:32
Speaker 3: Then they do the system and they actually gave us
50:35
Speaker 3: a number and it still works out to three point
50:37
Speaker 3: seven million per missile. So even the cost is still astronomically.
50:41
Speaker 3: I they claim that they'll be able to deliver a
50:44
Speaker 3: thousand within the next two years. We fired over two
50:47
Speaker 3: thousand in the last six months, and so you're like,
50:50
Speaker 3: even for an extra twenty three bill and an extra
50:52
Speaker 3: forty or four mil per missile. You're still barely replacing
50:56
Speaker 3: fifty percent of what you just fired.
50:58
Speaker 1: Like this is the insane yes of what we all
51:01
Speaker 1: pay for.
51:01
Speaker 3: Hundreds of billions just flushed down the toilet for nothing.
51:05
Speaker 2: The entire military industrial complex is a rapacious cartel. And
51:10
Speaker 2: one of the most telling stories I think in recent
51:13
Speaker 2: weeks is how there was a concept of giving a
51:16
Speaker 2: license to the Ukrainians to manufacture patriots themselves and the
51:22
Speaker 2: I can't remember WHI which one of them is that
51:24
Speaker 2: I think it's Raytheon that produces patriots. They were like, eh,
51:28
Speaker 2: hold on a second, let's not do this. Why because
51:32
Speaker 2: they know the Ukrainians are gonna be able to do
51:33
Speaker 2: it much faster and much cheaper, and they don't want
51:36
Speaker 2: it revealed how much they are gouging the American taxpayer.
51:41
Speaker 2: But yeah, when you look at I saw again seth
51:44
Speaker 2: Harp sharing more pictures from on board one of these carriers,
51:48
Speaker 2: showers all rusted out. Again the amount of money that
51:53
Speaker 2: goes to these things, and you can't even deal with
51:55
Speaker 2: the rust inside of the shower.
51:57
Speaker 4: The toilets are breaking, like it's disgusting.
52:01
Speaker 2: Where is our money going to and again drive around McLean,
52:04
Speaker 2: Virginia and you'll see you will see where that money
52:06
Speaker 2: is going to. It has to be dealt with. The
52:10
Speaker 2: entire system is broken. It is a complete criminal cartel.
52:15
Speaker 2: They are stealing taxpayer money. And to create a system
52:19
Speaker 2: that at this point is also obviously been shown to
52:21
Speaker 2: be completely outdated in terms of modern warfare, just insanity.
52:26
Speaker 2: And we have to This is a longer term conversation
52:30
Speaker 2: and transition, but we have to reckon with the fact
52:32
Speaker 2: that we just don't have the power around the world
52:34
Speaker 2: that we thought that we did, the ability to project power,
52:36
Speaker 2: that is all completely crumbled. We're going to have to
52:39
Speaker 2: comport ourselves in a very different way in foreign affairs
52:42
Speaker 2: going forward, because we are much more subject to the
52:46
Speaker 2: whims and dangers of the rest of the world than
52:49
Speaker 2: we had persuaded ourselves provat.
52:51
Speaker 1: That's a good thing, you know, I.
52:52
Speaker 4: Agree, people, reality is a good thing.
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Speaker 3: You have to deal with people on equal terms. You
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Speaker 3: have to respect other countries. Oh, they do things differently.
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Speaker 3: Who gives a ship, Okay, sometimes.
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Speaker 4: Let's work it out.
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Speaker 1: It goes. You work it out for yourself.
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Speaker 9: Ka