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The Man Who Created Dale Earnhardt Jr's "Dirty Mo Media" Mike Davis! · Kenny Wallace Media

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  I was taking exception. I wouldn't say it made me angry.
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  I don't say anything like that. But my identity, my value is on
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  what the future of the company is.
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  But it it it I didn't love the fact that my identity.
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  People would think that I'm just here to be a Co host on the Dale
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  Junior download. Like like I, I don't know what
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  that was. That was something that that I
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  As I always say, deep breath. We have one of the biggest
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  players in the NASCAR industry and my my newest dearest friend
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  there is Mike Davis. Mike, how are you doing?
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  I'm doing good. That's not true.
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  You're already getting us started off with a lie, Kenny.
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  This is not how it's it's not true.
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  But the the true part is we are dear friends.
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  That's a true part. Yes.
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  Well, I say it on every Kenny conversation, Mike.
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  It is just that it's a conversation.
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  We're, we're not going to go in exact order, but we're just
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  going to celebrate your career. You have done a lot in a short
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  period of time. So let, let's start like this.
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  We're we're going to start with the good stuff and then we'll
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  kind of go back and see where you came from.
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  But kind of in between right now you are a Georgia Southern
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  University graduate. So the question is this, are you
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  a Georgia man at heart right now?
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  I'm an Alabama guy. I'm an Alabama guy.
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  I'm from Birmingham, AL, So how I got to Georgia Southern is
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  interesting because we moved to Tennessee when I was really
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  young and then we moved to North Georgia when I was going into
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  middle school. And then I was always planning
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  to go back to Alabama. But there was a, a new
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  scholarship that if you stayed in the state of Georgia, I think
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  they still do it because they implemented the lottery in
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  Georgia and the lottery was paying for these scholarships
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  where if you graduated school with AB average or high school
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  with AB average, your, your tuition was paid for if you
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  stayed in state. And since I was graduating in
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  Georgia, let's see here, get your tuition paid for in state
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  or pay out of state to go anywhere else.
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  It that was an easy one, right for me because I was putting
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  myself through school. And so, so yeah, I went to, I
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  went to an in state Georgia school and Georgia Southern is
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  where I went and I loved it. I loved it a little too much.
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  Well, you answered my next question and I like it when we
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  can do that because I'm a big fan of Instagram and I see you
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  there with your beautiful family.
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  I see you're a girl, dad, 2 girls, but I believe what you
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  were on one of the cruise ships and you're sitting with an
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  Alabama hat on. I'm like what?
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  So that's an interesting story. And yeah, those state lines get
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  close, don't they? Down there.
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  Talladega, AL, Atlanta, GA. It's just like you could go here
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  or there or 15 minutes and you're in another state.
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  That's right. That's right.
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  And you can go north and you'll be in Tennessee.
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  I mean, like you got to get, listen, I, I spent most of my
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  life, well, now I've spent most of my life in North Carolina,
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  but most of my life was in Georgia.
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  But all my family's back in Alabama and yeah, I've always
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  got a strong roots to where I was born and where we lived when
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  I was early And then and, and also I do have some connections
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  with the University of Alabama to where I mentor their
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  students. In fact, I got one an e-mail
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  today from a student that was just wanting to connect with me
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  and and talk about a couple job opportunities they have.
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  That's something that I've been involved with with for about
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  four or five years. It just kind of in a mentorship
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  program to some of the sports communications and sports
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  marketing students. That's been a lot of fun.
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  I've gone to visit them. That's that's that's a thing
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  that we've done. And so, yeah, I mean, like I've
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  always, I'm out now Georgia Southern now listen, always very
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  dear to me because of, I mean, that's where I that's where I
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  springboarded into where I'm at right now.
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  Alabama contributed nothing to me on where I'm at today.
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  Georgia Southern a good bet. So that's that's always going to
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  be something special to me. OK, let's go right now.
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  And then later on we'll go back. I think it's important, you
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  know, because everybody knows Mike Davis.
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  You have two titles. One of them is funny and the
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  other one's dead serious. The first one that I like is one
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  of your titles is you are Dale Earnhardt Junior's right hand
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  man. And I and I believe that that is
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  that is my opinion. And then when I study up on you
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  in the industry, the NASCAR industry, you know, since 2004,
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  it's been all that's Dale Junior's right hand man.
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  You were his PR man. But we're going to get there
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  like, but your real 1 and, and feel free to correct me, your
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  real 1 is you are the president and executive producer of Dirty
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  MO Media. And I'm am I missing anything
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  there? No, that's it.
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  That's it. Well, I've had a bunch of
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  different job titles and frankly, but I've been with Dell
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  since 2004. So yeah, between that's 20
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  years. So like, yeah, I've had several
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  roles through that, but I don't know, listen, Dale has one right
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  hand, left hand and every hand, and that is Kelly Earnhardt
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  Miller. I mean, there is nobody else
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  that even comes close to the importance of what Kelly is to
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  Dale. Now, Kelly also relies on a lot
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  of or, or or few of us that I I'd like to think that we're
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  pretty close and that we, you know, have some influence and
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  and she seeks our opinions out on stuff.
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  But for let's be clear, I mean to say I'm his right hand man
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  with somehow seems to undermine what Kelly is, and you know all
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  too well how important she is. Yeah, so I'm kind of debating
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  with myself right now. Do we stay right there at Junior
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  Motorsports? I don't think so.
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  I want to go right into dirty MO Media because you, you've done a
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  lot and, and you know, I've done a lot, but but what are we known
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  for? And, and sometimes we're known
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  for what we don't want to be known for, but I think you would
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  be proud of this. So we're going to go right in.
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  We're going to go right into dirty MO media.
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  Then we'll go back to Junior Motorsports.
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  OK, OK. And I, I'm going, I'm along for
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  the ride, man, You're driving. I'm.
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  Just you've done you've done so much.
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  All right. The number one question that
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  that I've always wanted to know. Take me to that exact moment
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  when you approached Dale Junior or you thought about it yourself
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  or you were doing something that you said.
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  I want to start a podcast. Tell me that moment and what was
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  going on in your head and where were you and everything?
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  I remember the exact spot where I came up with the name or when
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  I came up with the concept of dirty mode.
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  Now it was crossing a railroad track in old Mooresville.
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  Why I remember that Kenny, I do not know.
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  But let's back up just a second here.
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  I work for Jade Gersh, who was Dale Junior's publicist at but
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  for Budweiser Racing. He was the company was called
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  Fingerprint Inc, and a lot of Dale Junior fans know the name
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  Jade Gersh. And Jade was deeply influential
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  in my everything I know about PR and publicity, right?
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  He was really a publicist by definition, truest thing.
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  I don't think they have good or or true publicist in the sport
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  right now. I think that social media is
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  gone and kind of redefined things.
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  Anyways, Jade was the first one that I knew that did a podcast.
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  Oh, OK, Now we're talking because I we all, I was, I was
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  going to leave him out of it, but it's very important now that
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  you'll say that. Well, look, you know, he was
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  also the first one to do a blog that I, I'd never heard of the
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  term blog until Jade did a blog. Jade was doing a blog as part of
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  his just, you know, his part of his duties as a, as Dale
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  Junior's and Budweiser Racing's publicist.
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  And that was his, that was something he had done.
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  He was always the first one to to anything technical, right and
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  anything Internet, he was always that guy.
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  For me at least, and so was. He was he ahead of his time.
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  I I think so. I think so.
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  I mean, again, I remember when he was doing his blog, a lot of
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  the NASCAR media and this is back when the NASCAR, this was
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  in 2004. So like, you know, you had your
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  David Poole's, you know, you had, you had your Ed Hinton's,
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  you had Mulhern, you know, you remember the old guard of
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  NASCAR? Oh, yeah.
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  A lot of people don't know about how the NASCAR old guard boy
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  that was that was a stout lineup of media people covering the
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  sport, travelling every every newspaper, every media outlet
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  that was travelling people. Gangsters, man, gangsters.
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  So, so the blog, nobody knew what to do with that like they
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  they did. Jake caught a lot of grief for
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  it, I remember because it was kind of an opinion editorial
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  piece and he would write it. Jade writer.
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  He wrote two books, wrote more than two books, wrote 2 on Dell.
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  So anyways, it was on this blog that nobody knew what to do with
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  where he also started doing a podcast.
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  And the podcast was about one to two minutes long.
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  It was just AI think a recap of how Dale Junior finished in the
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  previous race. And I don't know who would have
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  listened to it. I don't know, maybe a few
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  people. I I have no idea.
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  But that's where I first heard the Dame podcast.
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  Now Fast forward, I come to work at Junior Motorsports in O 7.
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  Is that right? O seven.
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  Yeah, I worked for Jade three years and we can get into why I
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  came over to Junior Motorsports. So whenever you want to.
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  But and then and then I had different roles from 2007 to
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  2010, 1213, all that stuff. And then it was in it it, it was
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  when I had my first daughter where my priorities change.
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  And you know how this is, you know, you have kids now all of a
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  sudden the traveling just feels different, doesn't it?
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  It's like. It's not, it's not as fun.
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  You're in those hotel rooms all by yourself, you know if you
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  drink and you feel like crap the next day.
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  It's just, you know, like I changed, you know, having kids
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  will change it. So so I ended up Dale Junior and
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  Kelly were amazing because I finally had reached a point
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  where I was like, yeah, I'm not going to be able to do this
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  anymore. And I think, Kenny, I don't
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  think I know I was willing to leave.
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  I was willing to leave the sport and leave this profession to be
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  there for my family because as you know, you know, our garage,
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  God bless it, is full of broken homes and, and a lot of a lot of
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  parents that missed a lot of childhoods, right?
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  Like there's a lot of people that just never got to really go
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  to those ball games or no, never got to go to that piano recital.
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  And so I just knew that that wasn't going to be good for me.
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  That wasn't going to be me. And so fortunately, Dale and
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  Kelly gave me the most amazing gesture ever.
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  And that was they said don't leave, you can hire somebody,
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  but that you know, you're only as good.
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  Your value in the sport if it's a travelling circus.
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  So that we are your value is pretty much on your ability to
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  travel or your willingness to travel.
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  There's some jobs that don't travel for sure.
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  But I'm telling you the the ones that are making money or the
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  ones that are being, you know, really valuable to an
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  organization, they're at the track.
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  They are at the track or they're sending people to the track,
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  right? You know, they get to pick their
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  schedule. I knew that I was not going to
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  be valuable that way, but that's why I was also willing to leave.
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  But, and it wasn't like I was threatening to leave.
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  I just, they knew where I was in life.
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  And then I had my daughter and, and the and by the way, with
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  Dale Junior, it's never just the weekend travel like Dale Junior.
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  There's midweek travel like, you know, like.
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  It never ends. You would you would have to go
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  make an appearance on a Wednesday or, you know, you
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  might have to go out to LA and shoot a commercial for the Super
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  Bowl, you know, whatever it is, right?
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  So it's like it, it was a it was a a grind and everybody kind of
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  reaches that point anyways. They said, don't leave.
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  You can hire somebody. So we started hiring people to
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  do that road managerial type thing that I had been doing at
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  that point. And I say all that to say this.
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  Yeah, it's. OK, I got to find something to
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  do now, right? Like I mean, again, I'm now I
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  got what I wanted. I I'm not traveling, but it's
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  also boring. It's an office job now.
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  So let me stop you right there. Hold on.
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  OK. You know I don't interrupt
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  people unless it's necessary. Go ahead.
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  Dale Junior and Kelly must have really thought you were valuable
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  to say don't leave because they must have really believed in
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  your talent because nobody keeps somebody if they don't have
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  something for them to do. I just want to brag on you a
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  little bit. We're celebrating.
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  That's what Kenny conversations all about.
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  They kept you and you could and you basically said, I don't want
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  to go on the road anymore. That's it.
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  That, that's a really big compliment.
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  Yeah, like I said, I took it as a compliment.
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  It was the, it's the kindest thing anybody's ever done for me
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  in this profession, in the work life, OK.
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  And that was that gesture of don't leave.
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  Because again, I know reality, I know that that now they have to
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  go hire somebody. Now we have to go pay twice as
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  much as we were spending now. I mean, like that's a that's an
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  enormous gesture. Why they did it.
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  I mean, I'd like to think that the, we developed enough of a
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  rapport and I had a, you know, some influence that they they
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  valued my opinion on things. At that time, I was running
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  communications for Junior Motorsports and, and also the
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  road managerial thing. And so, and also Dale was in
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  this point, you'll remember, I mean, he wasn't running that
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  good at Hendrick Motorsports, right?
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  Like we went through a pretty funky dry spell, right?
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  And and it was and so yeah, it just, there were things that
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  were just kind of like trying to keep it on its axis might have
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  had a little bit to do with it. But but then when Letarte came
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  in, this all sort of happening at the same time because
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  Letarte, I believe his first year was, was it 12 or 13?
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  Anyway, I'm I'm drawing a blank on that but.
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  It's OK, the years are not important, but it happened.
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  But but they kept me and I then started doing media stuff here.
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  I mean, again, I'm a I'm a journalism major.
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  I came from newspapers. I, I claim to be a writer,
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  although there's many that are way better than at writing than
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  I am. But but I've always been
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  fascinated with the media and the publicity and also now the
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  brand. How do you market your brand?
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  And Dale Junior has an enormous brand, but it also can be
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  misused. And so I was fascinated by all
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  of this stuff. And so it was those things that
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  sort of sowed the seeds of dirty MO media, right?
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  Because it was like, you know, brand marketing, you know,
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  fascination of just media, the spoken word communication, which
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  again, communications guy here. And then also boredom.
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  You know, I got, I got to find something to do.
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  If I, I mean, I, you know, I'm not really a sit down and, and
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  just be an office guy. So we started doing videos and
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  you can relate to this. It's like you start doing videos
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  not knowing a Dang thing of what you're doing, right?
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  Like you don't even know. It's funny.
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  You go back and look at some of our first videos.
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  This is pre Dirty MO Media. We were doing a video series
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  called JRM 360 and I just, we just started doing it kind of
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  showing some, some personality and transparency inside our race
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  shop. Man, we didn't even know how to
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  white balance a camera. It looks like it's snowing
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  because it's July. It's like everything's like just
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  just blown out. And, and so now we look back and
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  we were like, Oh, I can't watch this.
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  This is painful. But you know what we were doing?
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  We were, we were learning and we were just realized like, you
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  know, how do you, how do you connect with fans?
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  How do you connect with an audience?
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  How do you grow an audience and, and you got to mess up a lot of
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  things to, to, to and, and we still mess up, right?
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  Like, and I'm not afraid of messing up.
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  I mean, like we like to think we take swings and stuff and, and
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  not afraid to miss occasionally. We like to think we can make
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  some contact here and there. But like, the fact of the matter
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  is, is that that's how it started.
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  And then we started and then that go back to that day.
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  I'm crossing those railroad tracks and Mooresville driving
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  to work one morning and I'm like, we need to have a podcast
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  network and I'm going to start the Dale Junior day.
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  Like I, I, I thought about a, a name for a show and Dale Junior
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  was not going to be participating.
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  I knew that because he was busy racing and we just wanted to
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  start creating a show that recapped and gave a a look into
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  Dale Junior's right, Like really kind of unpacked a race better
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  than the TV network was doing for Dale Junior.
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  Like, I don't care about anybody else.
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  It's about. Dale, and at this time, nobody
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  could get enough of Dale Junior because he was shy, in my
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  opinion. He was kind of quiet in my
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  opinion. And so you could never get
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  enough of Dale Junior. So I'm with you.
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  I'm with you. Well, we also hit a wave because
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  we started the Dale Junior download in 2013.
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  Well, 2014 is when he won the Daytona 500 and he won three
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  other races. I mean, he won the Martinsville
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  race in the fall when the two Poconos, so that helps, you
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  know, when did they turn a 500? Hopefully your business benefits
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  from it. It's everything.
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  It's everything. And so we were still very early.
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  Again, Dale Junior wasn't really active on the platform.
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  He knew about it and he knew that I was doing it.
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  We we were, but, but that was a thing that really kind of helped
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  us get it off the ground. And then we started kind of
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  building some other shows and creating them and getting them
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  launched. So what at at what point did you
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  convince Dale Junior that, hey, this is this is big, this this
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  is going to be big for you, it's going to be good for you?
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  When did that moment come? Would you remember that
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  conversation with him? Yes, I do.
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  But first of all, I'll say I'm I'm still, I'm still not sure
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  we've convinced him of that. But the the, the fact is, is
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  that I remember when Dale Junior was concussed.
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  Oh yeah, the concussion. Right.
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  And he missed a few weeks again, the year I'm, I'm drawing a
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  blank on which year it was, but it was the one we were in the
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  playoffs at the time, called the Chase and then he had to miss a
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  couple weeks. Now we weren't really
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  threatening to win a championship.
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  I don't remember that. But like we were in the playoffs
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  and and he had to, he got he got concussed at Talladega and
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  that's the one you'll remember. He said he called the sport
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  bloodthirsty. And he was outside of his mind
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  because he was, you know, suffered a concussion.
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  We didn't know. And he was missing some races
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  now. And nobody knew, including us,
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  nobody really knew what to do with that.
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  And so eventually, and I, again, I don't remember exact the
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  specific timing, but eventually there was this need and we could
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  feel it. There was a need of people
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  needing to hear from Dale on what the heck is going on?
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  Media needed to hear it. Fans needed to hear it.
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  And I'm just like, oh, we've got this vehicle, we got this
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  podcast. It's the Dale junior download.
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  And again, you know about it. But it's like up until then he
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  would just in year 1, he never was on it in year 2 and three he
• 20:51
  would, he would just lay lay his thoughts after race into his
• 20:55
  phone and just send me the audio file like in the voice memos,
• 20:59
  right. And I, we thought that was
• 21:01
  amazing, Like his, that that was Dale.
• 21:04
  That was a glimpse into kind of what his mind is going through
• 21:07
  right after a race. He's back.
• 21:09
  He's not, he's not at the track. He's now back home.
• 21:11
  He's cracked a beer. And now he's sometimes by
• 21:14
  himself, sometimes I'm there. And now he's just kind of like
• 21:17
  rewinding kind of what the day went right with, like how things
• 21:20
  unfolded. And so we thought that was an
• 21:23
  extraordinary value. And then, but eventually when he
• 21:27
  was concussed, he was missing a few races, he and I would talk
• 21:30
  and it's like, Hey, why don't we go on the podcast and really
• 21:33
  kind of like you talk directly to the fans.
• 21:36
  Don't let them have to read it. Don't don't let them have to
• 21:38
  hear it through Claire B Lang or whatever, just and she would
• 21:42
  have done a fine job. I'm just saying is that let, let
• 21:44
  let them hear from you. And that was the first one.
• 21:48
  That's when we knew not only that we had something that
• 21:52
  could. Again, you're looking at ways to
• 21:54
  connect to your fan base, but that also was one where I
• 21:59
  remember thinking, well, Dale Junior's pretty good with a
• 22:02
  microphone too, right? When he's really just kind of
• 22:05
  coming from the heart. And that was a good, that was a
• 22:10
  big episode. So then eventually we we
• 22:12
  realized, or he realized that he might want to do this a lot
• 22:16
  more. He would come on the download
• 22:18
  here and there and but me and another guy were hosting it and
• 22:23
  eventually we decided that he could take that over.
• 22:26
  And he said he wanted to do a podcast.
• 22:27
  We, we, we thought about whether we should start a brand new one
• 22:30
  or if we just let him take the keys to the download.
• 22:32
  And that's obviously what we did.
• 22:35
  And and then we were off and running, you know?
• 22:39
  As I listen intently it it sounds to me like Junior had
• 22:45
  some concussions. I I remember the one coming off
• 22:48
  the turn 4 California Speedway and he came out with another
• 22:53
  controversial statement where he said I was, you know, messed up
• 22:58
  running some races. And everybody was aghast.
• 23:01
  Like, so this is amazing. So in, in now we're going to
• 23:07
  download everything. You said it in like a sentence.
• 23:11
  Am I hearing you right? Because of Dale Earnhardt
• 23:13
  Junior's concussions, you say, hey, come on, tell everybody
• 23:19
  what's up. Although you already had started
• 23:22
  it, but this was the vehicle to starting the Dale Junior
• 23:25
  download. Is that right?
• 23:27
  We had, we had been doing it for two or three years.
• 23:29
  I don't remember how many. I mean, it might have actually
• 23:31
  been a few more, but it wasn't with Dale coming into a studio
• 23:35
  like people as they know the download today, there was
• 23:38
  nothing like that. Like I said, it was a it was a
• 23:41
  process. It was a gradual escalation of,
• 23:45
  of direct involvement. It, it went from nothing and it
• 23:47
  went to, you know, him laying his thoughts into the phone one
• 23:51
  year or you know, we did that for a year or two.
• 23:54
  Eventually though, I remember the the where Dale wanted to be
• 23:59
  involved with with the with the platform was after the
• 24:02
  concussion situation. I find it amazing that you
• 24:06
  recognized now this is about you still.
• 24:09
  We're just talking about how you got there.
• 24:12
  Listen, it's like you got to talk about Rusty, you know, to
• 24:15
  get to Kenny a little bit because my whole life was my
• 24:19
  brother Rusty, But you recognized that he was in this.
• 24:24
  He was young and he would take his his phone and you're like,
• 24:28
  oh, he's giving me his thoughts digitally.
• 24:30
  You know, usually people would have to write this or you call
• 24:32
  on the phone, they're taking notes.
• 24:34
  He's so he's So what you're saying he was so far advanced
• 24:38
  that he was, he'd just talk into it and send it to you?
• 24:42
  Oh, yeah. Oh, I used to laugh.
• 24:44
  Like you'd hear, you'd hear, you'd hear a dog barking in the
• 24:50
  background or you'd hear him kind of clanging around as he's
• 24:53
  fumbling for a beer or whatever. And I'm like, I love that.
• 24:56
  I love that noise. Like at one point, what exotic
• 25:00
  animal did he have Outback? I I don't think it was the
• 25:03
  buffing. It was the but it was something
• 25:05
  and you could hear it in the background and I'm like, that's
• 25:08
  the good stuff. That's the good stuff.
• 25:10
  I don't like, I don't I I want more of that.
• 25:14
  Like I with there's farm animals or whether it's dogs or whether
• 25:18
  or whether Amy comes down and and says, you know.
• 25:21
  Get your ass up. Here, get up here.
• 25:23
  You know, I'm like, that's the kind of stuff that's the
• 25:27
  transparency that nobody has. And so I love that, by the way.
• 25:32
  I miss that to be honest with. You so so Charlie is listening
• 25:37
  right now and this is this is when when the Dale junior
• 25:40
  download and everybody at dirty MO media.
• 25:42
  I just absolutely love it when you put those shorts out all
• 25:46
  week long. This is the part that I want
• 25:50
  Charlie to edit that you know, you you had it going, but you
• 25:55
  recognizing Dale Junior giving you, you know, a download of how
• 26:00
  his race went so you could write a press release.
• 26:03
  And at that moment you really liked all that stuff going on
• 26:06
  his real life. And and that is that is that
• 26:11
  where it started becoming reality in your brain.
• 26:14
  It it is. And then also we started looking
• 26:19
  at not just exposing Dale's fans directly to Dale himself in the
• 26:24
  most authentic, transparent way possible, but now the world
• 26:28
  around him. So we started other podcasts.
• 26:30
  That's where Door Bumper Clear came in.
• 26:32
  Well, that that was a TJ podcast.
• 26:33
  TJ was a spotter again, so and we've been using TJTJ was more
• 26:38
  or less a Co host on the Dale junior download for years and
• 26:41
  now we're going to go branch out and do a a new podcast with TJ.
• 26:46
  That's just spotters. And by the way, at the time, who
• 26:49
  cares what spotters got to say? Nobody like just the spotters
• 26:53
  themselves. But yet TJ and Brett Griffin, we
• 26:56
  could start doing a podcast there.
• 26:57
  We started an outdoors podcast called Earnhardt outdoors.
• 27:01
  We started, we had a couple other little podcast back in the
• 27:04
  day was a fun podcast that we used to do.
• 27:07
  And so it was exposing the world to the Dale junior ecosystem as
• 27:11
  well. We I think you might have been,
• 27:15
  I believe you were a guest on one of my favorite podcast that
• 27:18
  we've ever done, and that was fast Lane family with Kelly
• 27:21
  Earnhardt Miller. We did a fast it was called fast
• 27:23
  Lane family. I did it and we did that for
• 27:26
  three years, I think, and and I love that show and Kelly did a
• 27:30
  fantastic job, but she that those were just different
• 27:33
  conversations than we were having anywhere else.
• 27:35
  So again, it, it exposed the world to the insides of Kelly
• 27:40
  Earnhardt's way. She thinks, and I promise you,
• 27:42
  she doesn't think like everybody else thinks.
• 27:44
  So now you're hearing, you know, what it's like to have to, to as
• 27:48
  a, as a very influential, prominent business leader in the
• 27:52
  sport, who also is Dale's sister, who also was Dale
• 27:57
  Senior's daughter, who was coming up through the business
• 28:00
  and being impactful in the ways that she was growing and
• 28:03
  escalating. Let's turn it into a podcast.
• 28:05
  Yes, let's do it. So that's what that's what we
• 28:07
  do. OK, so we've established how it
• 28:12
  happened. It it it, you know, took a
• 28:14
  little therapy session to get there, but it was very
• 28:18
  interesting. And now here we are dirty MO
• 28:22
  media has the Dale Junior download actions detrimental and
• 28:28
  that's another subject here in a minute actions detrimental with
• 28:32
  Denny Hamlin door bumper clear the tear down and more to come.
• 28:38
  You now you've created this I call a fortress a fortress is
• 28:43
  this big old, you know, building and now now you're you're
• 28:47
  putting all this stuff in it. I want to congratulate you on
• 28:51
  something that just came out now OK, now we're now we're now
• 28:55
  we're moving forward. We've established where you
• 28:59
  know, dirty MO media started and then under dirty MO media, we
• 29:03
  got Dale junior downloading all the new shows.
• 29:06
  But you just received an incredible honor.
• 29:10
  I want to congratulate you on being announced as the podcast
• 29:16
  power list for NASCAR racing by awful announcing.
• 29:20
  That is another company and and it's funny because we call it it
• 29:26
  it's got like a a name. It's called podcasting.
• 29:29
  It's like surfing, you know, it's like football podcasting.
• 29:35
  It's almost like a damn sport. But but my congratulations
• 29:40
  because your company, Dirty MO Media is listed now you've been
• 29:46
  awarded the podcast Powerless for NASCAR racing.
• 29:50
  What's that feel like? Hey, do you think it's a
• 29:54
  coincidence that we that that list came out the day you
• 29:57
  announced that you and greater were coming?
• 30:00
  I don't think that's a coincidence.
• 30:01
  It was the same day. That's a big.
• 30:05
  That's a big. Deal all I needed was Wallace
• 30:09
  and Schrader to show up and then all of a sudden people like oh,
• 30:12
  they're pretty good over there It's it's nice Kenny.
• 30:17
  I mean, I, I don't, I'm, I'm uncomfortable with, I'm
• 30:25
  uncomfortable with accolades or I'm uncomfortable with talking
• 30:30
  about them, frankly, but but it's nice.
• 30:35
  I mean, it's nice for the team. I mean, I love my team here,
• 30:37
  right? Like I love the and, and I'm not
• 30:40
  even talking about just the host.
• 30:41
  I love them too, but I'm talking about my employees at dirty MO
• 30:44
  media, man. I mean, I, I think that we got
• 30:47
  some outstanding content creators and so.
• 30:50
  And I counted about 10 I took. A picture 15 now.
• 30:55
  Wow. That's listen up everybody.
• 30:58
  Dirty MO Media 15 yeah, I took a picture and I said, well there's
• 31:03
  9 Dale Junior's missing, so that's pretty incredible 15.
• 31:10
  I don't compare. I have no idea if that's
• 31:12
  incredible. I have no idea if that's
• 31:14
  pathetic. I have no idea what that is.
• 31:16
  All I know is is it's us. It's who we are, and that's all
• 31:19
  I care about. And you know what?
• 31:21
  We, we, we don't just, I'd like to think the content that we
• 31:25
  come out with, we know who we are.
• 31:28
  We know our lane, right? And we surround ourselves with,
• 31:33
  with the people and with shows and with hosts that we think are
• 31:37
  like us. We're not for everybody, of
• 31:41
  course. And that's, that's, that's OK,
• 31:44
  right? That's OK.
• 31:45
  But I do think that our team is pretty outstanding.
• 31:48
  And I and I love the fact that when we do get those types of
• 31:51
  recognitions, I like it for them.
• 31:55
  OK, I want to go somewhere. It's not deep, but in my
• 32:02
  opinion, this is me and I want you to comment on it.
• 32:07
  Dirt Dirty MO Media has changed NASCAR forever, and here's why.
• 32:15
  Because it's the only way I know how to explain it.
• 32:20
  So, you know, you got that song as a child that goes Dun, Dun,
• 32:23
  Dun, Dun and it stops there and it drives you nuts.
• 32:27
  It's like, give me the dunk, dunk, which is the ending.
• 32:31
  So as I've watched the Dale Junior download over the years,
• 32:37
  unbelievable endings with like, Ty Norris, Ty Norris's, you
• 32:43
  know, telling the real story, some of the inside reasons why
• 32:48
  decisions were made. The most fascinating 1 I think
• 32:53
  I'll ever I almost wanted to jump in the screen and hug Dale
• 32:55
  Junior, which was Tony Uri Junior, where he's literally
• 33:00
  addressing his cousin, his relative about their fallout.
• 33:06
  And you know that NASCAR, you know, all the executives are
• 33:10
  watching this. My point is this 15 years ago
• 33:14
  there was things that went down in NASCAR and it was just like a
• 33:17
  tragedy. And these these players, like a
• 33:21
  Ty Norris or Tony you junior kept their mouth shut all these
• 33:25
  years, but they they chose dirty MO Media the Dale Junior
• 33:30
  download. They chose Dale.
• 33:31
  Dale Junior. Thank you.
• 33:34
  They chose Dale. OK, let's go right there.
• 33:39
  So you, you've, you've changed the sport forever because you
• 33:42
  gave everybody closure. And so you're saying it was
• 33:45
  because they wanted to talk to to Junior?
• 33:48
  Yeah, OK. A lot to a lot to respond to
• 33:52
  there. First of all, I don't subscribe
• 33:56
  to the to the notion that Dirty MO media is changing NASCAR
• 34:01
  forever. I.
• 34:02
  In a good way. If it if the I, I don't, I don't
• 34:06
  see it. I just know because I, I just
• 34:08
  focus on us, right? I don't know what it does.
• 34:10
  I don't know what the impact, but I will say this, I will give
• 34:13
  you this. Forget why we started the Dale
• 34:18
  Junior download, because that was to recap Dale Junior's
• 34:21
  races. But when Dale Junior became the
• 34:23
  host of it, OK, the, the identity and the mission changed
• 34:30
  on the download. What it what is the podcast
• 34:32
  going to do? And you and I had this
• 34:33
  conversation too. Remember when you, me and
• 34:35
  Charlie and Schrader were talking about our new podcast
• 34:38
  were like, OK, why will people listen to it?
• 34:41
  What will make it unique? What will make it different?
• 34:44
  It became very clear to me early on when Dale started taking over
• 34:47
  as the host and we started actually when he took over as
• 34:50
  host. We weren't even doing long form
• 34:52
  interviews. That really kind of started
• 34:55
  after our deal with NBC. Dale Junior was becoming a
• 34:59
  broadcaster now. We were getting people in the
• 35:01
  studio and and and it became clear to me that the purpose of
• 35:05
  the Dale Junior download was to heal.
• 35:10
  You're heavy. That's heavy in a good way.
• 35:12
  Trust me, it was healing. I saw it.
• 35:15
  I saw it right there. Not just for the guests, for
• 35:18
  Dale. It became clear to me that there
• 35:21
  were conversations that I would have thought had been had a long
• 35:24
  time ago that never were had. I could think there's some early
• 35:28
  1 Steve Park, Michael Waltrip. Let me tell you, I was in
• 35:31
  College in 2001. I was finishing up college, but
• 35:35
  I still had a few months left. And when that tragic day
• 35:38
  happened in 2001, I, I, I remember, you know, seeing that
• 35:45
  I'm again, I'm a fan. I'm just a race fan, right?
• 35:48
  And I was there and, and I was watching and I would have just
• 35:52
  assumed, especially the next week when, you know, Steve Park
• 35:57
  won at Rockingham the next week. And I, I would see what, what's
• 36:03
  on the magazines and on the TV. And I just thought, well, this
• 36:07
  group at DEI, they're just to get, they're going to, this is
• 36:09
  going to just really kind of they're going to just, they're
• 36:12
  going to be there for each other.
• 36:13
  You know, when Dale Junior won in 2001, I just graduated
• 36:17
  college, but I'd still not even taking a job yet.
• 36:20
  And I was in Texas visiting a friend when that 01 July Daytona
• 36:26
  redemption race happened. And, you know, you see Dale
• 36:29
  Junior and Michael Waltrip hugging and, and they're
• 36:31
  embracing and stuff. I just assume like anybody else
• 36:34
  would, that Dale and Mikey been talking.
• 36:37
  They're probably best friends, if they weren't already.
• 36:40
  None of that was happening. And I didn't know it until we
• 36:42
  did the download and that they weren't talking at all to each
• 36:45
  other. And it doesn't really surprise
• 36:46
  me because Dale Junior is not much of an extrovert, right?
• 36:50
  He's very much opposite of that. And so I, I just, I, I see that
• 36:55
  conversations that I assumed would have been had or never
• 36:59
  had. OK, so we got Michael and Steve
• 37:01
  Park. Well, they needed healing too.
• 37:04
  It wasn't that just Dale. Michael Waltrip was a troubled
• 37:09
  individual. Still trying.
• 37:11
  I mean, he's come out with the book and he's come out with the
• 37:13
  documentary. But I'm telling you, I feel like
• 37:16
  everyday Michael Walter wakes up and probably thinks about all
• 37:18
  this. Right?
• 37:19
  Yeah. And so then he got Mike Hilton
• 37:22
  come in. One of my favorite episodes was
• 37:24
  Richard Childress. Brian France.
• 37:27
  I couldn't. Brian France blew me away.
• 37:29
  Now we're getting to what my original question was.
• 37:32
  These people, I mean, how the hell did you get Brian France to
• 37:35
  admit that he was pissed off that nobody liked his new car?
• 37:39
  Again, I think it was Dale, Dale Junior, man.
• 37:44
  I guess the point on this that I'm trying to make is that
• 37:47
  there's conversations that needed to be had and people were
• 37:50
  wanting to have them and they want to have them with Dale
• 37:53
  Junior. They could have them with a lot
• 37:55
  of other people. Well, and you could say better
• 37:59
  than I would, but like, you've sat at that table and said as a
• 38:03
  guest and and and I, I've heard other people say you kind of
• 38:07
  forget that you're being that you're, you're taping.
• 38:11
  Yeah. And so I just know, like you
• 38:13
  said, you brought up Ty Norris. Ty Norris was a a huge moment
• 38:17
  because Ty Norris called me after that show and he goes, you
• 38:23
  know, I went years after DEI because, you know, he had a
• 38:28
  very, very ugly exit from DEI, right?
• 38:31
  I can, you know, he and and he, his exit had to do with Dale
• 38:36
  Junior. And Dale Junior had nothing.
• 38:38
  He never knew it. And that was all to do with
• 38:41
  Teresa and everything else. And he's telling us his story.
• 38:43
  And then afterwards he calls when he says, hey, I thought for
• 38:47
  years Dale Junior was angry at me.
• 38:49
  And I'm like, why did you think that?
• 38:51
  And he goes, because he wouldn't ever talk to me.
• 38:52
  And I'm like, but Dale Junior doesn't really talk to like you
• 38:55
  don't see. He don't talk to anybody.
• 38:57
  Not then, no, no, you know, again, not then I mean, like,
• 39:01
  you know, he'd roll out of bed and he would go and he'd
• 39:04
  practice the car, but you wouldn't see him going out and
• 39:08
  holding court. He went in the life at the
• 39:10
  party, not at not at the parties that were very public.
• 39:15
  You know, you have that wiring that where you can just talk to
• 39:19
  a stranger and make them feel amazing.
• 39:24
  But not everybody's wired like you.
• 39:25
  In fact, most people probably aren't.
• 39:27
  They're probably somewhere in between a Kenny Wallace and a
• 39:29
  Dale Junior, again, Dale Junior then.
• 39:32
  So he was very much an introvert.
• 39:33
  A lot of people drew assumptions based off that.
• 39:37
  And it wasn't until you're having them at the download that
• 39:41
  a lot of this stuff was being, a lot of healing was happening.
• 39:44
  And that was obvious to me. Again, how am I tell you
• 39:46
  something? The one that really sticks out
• 39:49
  to me, Kenny, is Schrader. Oh gosh, yes.
• 39:53
  So here it is again. I didn't know, but Dale Junior
• 39:57
  had written a letter to Schrader and I don't think Dale Junior
• 40:01
  even knew if he was going to read it to him.
• 40:03
  And we were closing down the show and Dale and I thought we
• 40:08
  were done. And and then Dale.
• 40:12
  Says, hey, I got something I want to read you.
• 40:14
  And he starts reading that letter about the day Schrader
• 40:19
  looked in that window. And we're all just like, trying
• 40:23
  to keep it together. Oh, it was heavy, and Schrader's
• 40:25
  trying to keep it together. And so I'm like, man, I guess
• 40:31
  this is the long way around. To your point, have we changed
• 40:35
  NASCAR? No, I think we're just having
• 40:37
  conversations. And I think Dale Junior's
• 40:39
  finding fulfillment in, in, in this type of format, in this,
• 40:45
  he's having long form conversations when otherwise
• 40:48
  he'd never have them, right? He'd never had the opportunity.
• 40:52
  But it's a safe, comfortable way for Dale Junior, the lifelong
• 40:56
  introvert, the shy kid that you know, who was always undersized
• 41:00
  and, and, and bouncing from school to school to school to
• 41:03
  school and can't even stay in the school.
• 41:05
  And now he's now found a way to have comfortable conversation
• 41:11
  and people are taking him up on it, right?
• 41:14
  Yourself, all of these people that you would think that he's
• 41:17
  been having a conversation. You know, Richie Gilmore was
• 41:21
  just last. Year that was.
• 41:22
  That was heavy. Rich, Dale Junior wanted to tell
• 41:24
  Richie, look, it wasn't your fault.
• 41:27
  You, you know, You know, the way the DEI sort of ended.
• 41:31
  Richie always sort of, we had learned, blamed himself.
• 41:35
  And Dale Junior's now telling Richie, it wasn't your fault, I
• 41:39
  promised it wasn't your fault or I'm sorry.
• 41:41
  Richie took blamed himself for Dale Junior leaving the company.
• 41:45
  And Dale, where else is Dale Junior and Richie Gilmour going
• 41:49
  to have that conversation? And so that's where I recognize
• 41:54
  the impact that the show is at, for sure.
• 41:58
  It is of my opinion, if we're to put a percentage to this zero to
• 42:02
  100%, I feel like the Dale Junior download has been 70% and
• 42:09
  this is this is a debate. The percentage can be a debate,
• 42:14
  but I'm saying it's been 70% therapy because the people that
• 42:20
  have come on, I mean, I came on and you guys saved my life
• 42:24
  because when everybody watched that about me, the every dirt
• 42:29
  racing after I did the Dale Junior download, everywhere I
• 42:34
  went, everybody understood me, loved me more.
• 42:39
  They're like, all right, Wallace, wow, that was
• 42:41
  incredible. And I know that's got to be that
• 42:43
  way for everybody. I mean, so for me, 70% of the
• 42:47
  Dale Junior download so far has been about what you just said,
• 42:52
  you know, therapy, healing. Now they say the best laid plans
• 42:57
  are the ones that are not planned.
• 42:58
  But I agree with that. That could have never been
• 43:00
  planned. No, no, no, come.
• 43:05
  On our show, it's therapy. Can you imagine how the
• 43:08
  conversation would have gone? Hey, Dale Junior.
• 43:10
  I got an idea. It's a way for you to talk to
• 43:12
  people about your dad. It's going to be great, you
• 43:17
  know? No, that's not how that would
• 43:18
  have gone. But let me tell you, there's
• 43:20
  also another thing we're missing here.
• 43:22
  And that's what what it's doing for Dale.
• 43:24
  And you fit in this bucket, I think.
• 43:27
  Dale Junior again, the purpose of the Dale Junior download is
• 43:30
  for Dale junior. I think Dale is still I don't I
• 43:36
  don't want to overstate this. Let me see how to say it.
• 43:39
  I think Dale Dale junior likes having people that had good
• 43:42
  relationships with his dad or even questionable Ricky Rudd.
• 43:47
  You know, maybe not the best relationship with Dale
• 43:49
  Earnhardt, but people got to remember, I don't, you know,
• 43:55
  Dale, It wasn't like he and Dale Senior had the the tightest
• 43:59
  relationship growing up. Dale Senior was off being the
• 44:02
  greatest ever. And Dale Junior's back, you
• 44:05
  know, bouncing from homes and bouncing around to schools and
• 44:10
  stuff. That's where Kelly, I always
• 44:12
  said is the most influential person.
• 44:14
  But it wasn't until Dale Junior started racing and I could even
• 44:18
  make an argument that it was why Dale Junior started racing, was
• 44:22
  to, was to get closer to his dad.
• 44:25
  I still think Dale's getting closer to his dad and he's doing
• 44:28
  it through the people that had the tight relationships with
• 44:30
  him, the hunting buddies, the people like yourself who raced
• 44:33
  with him and raced for him and race and, and, and the people
• 44:36
  that work for him. Hank Parker 100%.
• 44:40
  His his quote about two months ago brought me to tears.
• 44:44
  He he said Dale Junior for everybody's watching right now,
• 44:48
  go go back through the Dale Junior download and about it was
• 44:52
  about two months ago. Hank Parker senior, the dad, he
• 44:56
  says, I think is that is that what we call him?
• 45:00
  We call him a senior, right? And he and he looks at Dale
• 45:03
  Junior right in the face and he says, your father loved you.
• 45:06
  And he just had a difficult way of telling you, oh, every child
• 45:11
  in the world can relate with that.
• 45:14
  And what what an amazing gift, by the way, you think about the
• 45:18
  gift. Where do you think about the
• 45:20
  gift? And it's not lost on me.
• 45:22
  And I don't think it's lost on Dale to be able to still hear
• 45:25
  that 20 years later. And that is you're getting
• 45:32
  insight from from the past, right?
• 45:35
  Like from the past. It's why, you know, it's like
• 45:36
  when we do Ancestry, do your genealogy and stuff, you're
• 45:40
  trying to learn about you, about yourself, where you came from,
• 45:42
  what about your family. And you know, that was a, that
• 45:47
  was a huge moment. My dad loves me, he really did.
• 45:50
  Wow, right. Huge moment.
• 45:54
  And there's a lot of those moments, right?
• 45:57
  And I think that that's where Dale uses the download.
• 46:00
  Certainly not every single week, but the download has been a
• 46:03
  mechanism in which Dale Junior can still learn about his dad,
• 46:08
  right? Like the hunting buddies, the
• 46:10
  people that raced with him, because those are the ones that
• 46:13
  really got that time. Dale Junior didn't get that
• 46:16
  time, not until he really started racing, not even start
• 46:19
  racing, I'd say when he started driving for DEI, you know, and,
• 46:24
  and winning the championship in 98.
• 46:28
  That's where you see a lot of those pictures and things where
• 46:31
  Dale Earnhardt, you know, Dale Junior started winning and and
• 46:34
  that was something and now they could spend time with each
• 46:36
  other, which also makes the story so tragic, right, because
• 46:38
  you lost him in 2001. It's it's a heck of a story,
• 46:43
  man. And and it's and it's still
• 46:45
  played out and and again, not the reason why we started the
• 46:47
  download, not the reason why dirty moment exist, but it's
• 46:51
  obvious that that's how that it it serves us and it serves Dale
• 46:55
  in that way. And that is where we are.
• 46:58
  And that's, you know, we are we are celebrating your your
• 47:02
  career, Mike, but we we can't we can't talk about Kenny Wallace
• 47:06
  unless Rusty's involved, because if it weren't for Rusty, I'd
• 47:09
  never be where I'm at. And you know, it is about you.
• 47:13
  It was your idea. I I think what let's wrap this
• 47:17
  up. It was your idea.
• 47:21
  And like we said here, it's become this big therapy session
• 47:26
  and it is must listen. Once we start listening to the
• 47:30
  Dale Junior download, it's like people for weeks and let's go,
• 47:33
  my God, did you hear what you know Brian France said?
• 47:36
  Did you hear what Hank Parker said?
• 47:37
  And that's where I wanted to get with this.
• 47:40
  It just seems like Dale Junior downloaded 70% therapy session
• 47:45
  for everything that's happened. And I mean it has made many
• 47:47
  people go, Oh my God, I never knew, but did you hear?
• 47:51
  That's why that happened 20 years ago and why did nobody And
• 47:55
  it's like, why did nobody ever mention that?
• 47:57
  But I just and now I'm done with that.
• 47:59
  But what I want to do, I want to say you to an ending, is that it
• 48:03
  amazes me that people kept that in their belly for 20 years.
• 48:08
  Right it. Shows it shows the download to
• 48:12
  deliver the goods. Oh, you know what it says?
• 48:15
  It says you drivers, you drivers don't talk to each other at all.
• 48:19
  And you're the exception to the rule.
• 48:21
  But it's like, you know, I want to.
• 48:26
  I'm going to get your opinion on something I want.
• 48:28
  I remember Dale Junior. All right, so I'm going to get
• 48:31
  your opinion on this and this, this might explain how I look at
• 48:35
  drivers. Drivers are a rare breed, right?
• 48:38
  You got to be because you guys, you live in a, in a, in a
• 48:42
  danger, dangerous, you know, you're on the edge of your seat
• 48:45
  all the time. And much like comedians, you
• 48:50
  know, comedians, people think, well, these comedians are just
• 48:54
  the funniest people ever. Really.
• 48:56
  They they have a dark side, right?
• 48:59
  They're they're not that smart, right?
• 49:02
  Right. You know.
• 49:03
  So, so drivers, I think on the surface, you know, it looks
• 49:08
  like, oh, they're, they're, they talk.
• 49:12
  They, they, they're, you know, they obviously they're in the
• 49:14
  motorhome lot. So if they're motorhome lot,
• 49:15
  must be a big old campfire. Like they all get together and
• 49:18
  just sit there and hang out. But I my observations, or at
• 49:22
  least my experience has been that drivers don't talk to each
• 49:25
  other at all. And, and, and you would be the
• 49:29
  exception to the rule. But again, I would say this when
• 49:32
  Dale Junior, when, when Kevin Harvick pissed us off so much
• 49:36
  and he, he hurt, he hurt Dale. We, we, I, I love Kevin Harvick
• 49:41
  so much and I will always love him for what he get.
• 49:44
  He did for Junior Motorsports and this is such a blip on his
• 49:47
  radar when he came to JRM. But he was, he was so much fun
• 49:53
  and he was so competitive and he brought back a, a, a winning
• 49:56
  spirit that in a place that really needed it, which made the
• 50:00
  comments that he made about Dale after Dale was retiring, it made
• 50:05
  it hurtful. And my point on this is that I
• 50:08
  remember Dale Junior talking to me and he said, Hey, listen,
• 50:11
  man, why are you have it? What what, what are you?
• 50:14
  So why are you struggling with this?
• 50:16
  And I said, because I thought Kevin was our friend.
• 50:17
  And he goes, There's not friends in NASCAR.
• 50:20
  That's right. He goes, there's not.
• 50:22
  He goes and I said that's not true.
• 50:24
  And he goes, I'm telling you the, the friend your, your, your
• 50:28
  tightest friends, your closest friends.
• 50:29
  Do you think they're in the sport?
• 50:31
  Like he's asking me personally, I'm like, no, my closest friends
• 50:35
  are the ones I went to high school with.
• 50:39
  I don't want to say that the friendships in NASCAR are all
• 50:42
  superficial, but all I'm saying on this is that we're in this.
• 50:48
  We're in an entertainment industry where you have to sing
• 50:50
  and dance and you have to perform and you have to say the
• 50:52
  right things. Because if you don't say the
• 50:54
  right thing, it's going to, you know, it's going to, you're
• 50:56
  going to get slapped, however that is.
• 50:59
  And, and, and so everyone's on edge and nobody's talking to
• 51:03
  each other. They're afraid.
• 51:05
  You're afraid to really be vulnerable to a situation,
• 51:08
  aren't you? You're afraid because what are
• 51:10
  the repercussions to it? You know, and, and I think
• 51:14
  that's a deep explanation, very deep, but I do think that
• 51:17
  there's something to it. I think that if if we developed
• 51:21
  a mechanism in which we can circumvent that, what is a
• 51:25
  natural tendency that I think we're race car drivers and the
• 51:29
  people in the profession don't have rich, you know,
• 51:33
  conversation and don't really get to to to know each other
• 51:36
  deeply. That's where I think we've been
• 51:39
  able to find a way around it a little bit, But I would now.
• 51:43
  What's your opinion? I wanted to know do are are
• 51:46
  there true friendships in NASCAR or do you do you find your
• 51:52
  friendships the ones that mean the most to you are beyond the
• 51:57
  the driver's seat? And This is why you should have
• 52:00
  never left as the Co host of Dale Junior Download because no,
• 52:05
  I'm teasing and that's going to be the next question.
• 52:09
  The next question I'm going to ask, I'm going to answer you.
• 52:12
  But I want to keep myself honest.
• 52:13
  Here you are the former Co host of Dale Junior Download and you
• 52:17
  left for great reasons. But let me answer that question
• 52:20
  because you just reminded me how good you are at this.
• 52:23
  Here's this is Kenny Wallace. I'm going to answer that.
• 52:28
  I try very hard. You're right.
• 52:30
  I am wired differently than most people.
• 52:33
  I want to be your friend. Then I want to go on the
• 52:35
  racetrack. I want to race the hell out of
• 52:36
  you. You hit me, you spin me out.
• 52:39
  You know, you know we're going to argue about it.
• 52:42
  I'll decide whether I'm going to forgive you or not.
• 52:45
  My brother Rusty explained this to me.
• 52:48
  He was watching me out of his motor coach window at at at
• 52:56
  Bristol and I was talking to Steve Grissom, Chuck Mound and I
• 53:00
  heard Kenny, Kenny. I turn around.
• 53:02
  That's Rusty. I'm like, this is strange.
• 53:06
  I kind of think you need something.
• 53:08
  He walks in there. I walk into Rusty's motor coach.
• 53:11
  He looks at me, goes, what the hell are you talking to those
• 53:14
  guys for? I said to my friends.
• 53:16
  He goes, no, they're not. He said.
• 53:18
  None of them guys are your friends.
• 53:19
  He said, and here's what he said.
• 53:21
  They're all trying to get you and, and a lot of things that I
• 53:25
  use right now, like like me talking right now, this is real.
• 53:29
  The face that I'm using. This is the real Kenny.
• 53:31
  Most what I do is a Saturday Night Live in your window.
• 53:35
  I'm the greatest nobody better than you.
• 53:37
  You know, it's like the church lady.
• 53:40
  Where did he get the church lady, you know, on on Saturday
• 53:42
  Night Live? Well, that's because he went to
• 53:44
  church and he surveyed and it's all the women with their hair
• 53:47
  poofed up. So basically everything I do is
• 53:50
  a comedy about what I you know, I'm the greatest, nobody better
• 53:55
  than you. Why do you try beating me on
• 53:57
  social media? You know, I'm the greatest.
• 53:59
  That's Rusty. That's Dale Earnhardt Senior.
• 54:03
  That's Ricky Rudd. That is David Pearson, man,
• 54:09
  Richard Petty. I mean, Richard's the king.
• 54:11
  But buddy, you know, you don't got to ask me, but you know
• 54:17
  those guys that I just mentioned, they have no time for
• 54:20
  you because they are the greatest.
• 54:22
  You're in my way. So when you race, here's my
• 54:30
  opinion. I want to be their friends,
• 54:32
  right? And then I see the side of them.
• 54:35
  I'm like, oh, he's a prick. I don't think I want to be his
• 54:38
  friend. And for me, that's it.
• 54:41
  There, there are people that I that I try to be friends with
• 54:44
  and I'm like, Nope, you know, they're just they're dark.
• 54:48
  There's something wrong with them.
• 54:50
  They they don't enrich me. They don't give me happiness.
• 54:54
  And, and you know, that's my answer to you.
• 54:57
  So many of these athletes live their self worth.
• 55:02
  So, so in other words, NASCAR drivers judge here.
• 55:07
  This is the quote. NASCAR drivers judge their self
• 55:12
  worth, how the car goes in circles.
• 55:16
  That's it. That's all there is to it.
• 55:18
  And, and, and they could win one NASCAR Cup championship and they
• 55:22
  could win 30 races. And I and I would brag on them
• 55:26
  on any conversation. And the first time they come
• 55:29
  back was all the races that didn't go good.
• 55:33
  So I can't be friends with anybody because they're just
• 55:36
  pricks. They really are.
• 55:37
  There's no, there's hardly anybody that's good that they
• 55:40
  just are, they're, you know, and it's just the way it is.
• 55:45
  It's athleticism as it is, you know, you read all them stories
• 55:49
  about Michael Jordan. He don't hang out with Scottie
• 55:52
  Pippen, you know, or any of those guys.
• 55:56
  And it's really an athleticism curse.
• 56:01
  You know, I say athleticism. I use that word a lot lately.
• 56:04
  It's kind of a comedy. But if you're an athlete and
• 56:06
  you're a good one, I'm the exception.
• 56:10
  I I'm a good racer. I'm not a great racer, but I can
• 56:15
  be really nice to you and then I can throw you a slider coming
• 56:18
  for the win and you're just going to have to eat it.
• 56:21
  But I can still be your friend. It's up to you if you want to be
• 56:23
  my friend or not. I can beat Mike.
• 56:27
  I can be a Dick and I I really am.
• 56:29
  I'd say at heart I'm a prick, but I try to clean it up to get
• 56:33
  along with people. I put a lot of effort into my
• 56:35
  friends. I put a lot of effort into Dale
• 56:37
  Junior. I really do, you know?
• 56:41
  So there's your answer. Yeah.
• 56:43
  And if you don't put that effort within, then then the friendship
• 56:47
  isn't what it is. It requires that much effort
• 56:49
  from you. It requires that.
• 56:50
  And, and, and that's no knock on anybody else.
• 56:53
  Again, I, you know, you said something that's interesting and
• 56:56
  I, I tend to believe it. Like the, the true great ones
• 56:58
  you mentioned Michael Jordan. Like, I think that what you're
• 57:01
  seeing is that they choose to be great by sacrificing some things
• 57:07
  around them, which is likeability or friendships or
• 57:12
  social event, whatever it is. I mean, like you can you be
• 57:14
  great and do all those things? Maybe somebody can, but that's
• 57:17
  an instinctual thing. Maybe you're just born with that
• 57:19
  ability, but for the most part, there's a sacrifice to being
• 57:22
  great or even being good. And where do you sacrifice?
• 57:26
  Where do you cut? Like, you know, where, where,
• 57:28
  where do you, where do you say, no, I'm not going to bend on
• 57:31
  this. This is where this is just the
• 57:32
  way it's going to be. And I just see that, especially
• 57:34
  in this sport, like there's a lot of people that would say
• 57:37
  that they're friends, but they don't practice friendship.
• 57:42
  I've only seen a couple real friends to this day and it
• 57:45
  sticks in my head. I truly believe that Jeff Burton
• 57:49
  was good friends with John Andretti.
• 57:52
  I really believe that whether they were or not, they tried.
• 57:57
  I saw them literally going out to eat with each other here.
• 58:02
  I'll just let's end this subject like this.
• 58:05
  If you're in the NASCAR Cup Series and you're trying to be
• 58:08
  friends with another driver, it, it, it's, it's got to go through
• 58:13
  the wives somewhat, you know, because the guys, the wives got
• 58:18
  to smooth it over because you're, you're, you're eating
• 58:22
  and you're like, somebody's trying to get me somehow.
• 58:26
  You know, it's this dinner is only going to go good if he
• 58:29
  outrun me the week before. But all right, we got to move on
• 58:32
  because I'm already at a damn hour with you.
• 58:36
  You knew this wasn't going to be a quick one.
• 58:37
  I know it wasn't going to be, but God, it's so good because
• 58:40
  you were giving us such a great insight on Dirty MO Media that
• 58:46
  to me changed NASCAR forever in a good positive way, because I
• 58:51
  believe it. I I believe dirty MO media and
• 58:54
  the Dale junior download. This is my opinion.
• 58:56
  I think it has made people heal. I I think it made Brian France,
• 59:02
  you know, I mean, my God, the greatest in the sport.
• 59:04
  OK, I've been trying to keep it. It is about you.
• 59:10
  So you're you're the former Co host of the Dale Junior download
• 59:14
  and you asked me some great questions.
• 59:19
  Why did you remove your your you are your own boss.
• 59:24
  You and Dale junior boss each other around.
• 59:27
  Why did you leave being the Co host?
• 59:30
  It was time. It was time.
• 59:33
  I, I, I wasn't enjoying it as much.
• 59:38
  I felt like the show needed to change and I felt like, I just
• 59:41
  felt like it was time. I mean, sometimes you just kind
• 59:45
  of have that, that, that instinct that like, oh, wait a
• 59:48
  second. I mean, as much as I sometimes
• 59:51
  you have to really self reflect, right?
• 59:54
  And I'm maybe you, you know, you, you've probably done this.
• 59:56
  Like when you you go, OK, I want to, I want to, I, I don't want
• 1:00:01
  to try keeping this NASCAR thing going.
• 1:00:03
  Like, you know, at some point you had to have a conversation
• 1:00:06
  with, you had a tiny conversation with yourself,
• 1:00:08
  right? I left.
• 1:00:09
  I left Charlotte. I got the hell out of that
• 1:00:11
  right. And, and so I just listen, it's
• 1:00:15
  Dale's show, OK? Not a single day did I ever go
• 1:00:21
  into that thinking anything other than it's Dale's show,
• 1:00:25
  it's Dale's show. It just it's Dale's show.
• 1:00:28
  I wanted to devote the time that it was taking to be on the show.
• 1:00:36
  I wanted to channel that into the company.
• 1:00:40
  And so I was, let me see how to say this.
• 1:00:44
  I was starting to get, I was starting to hold a bit of a
• 1:00:48
  grudge. Not at anybody in particular,
• 1:00:51
  but just at the situation that I wasn't being able to really kind
• 1:00:55
  of put my efforts and energy and thoughts into the company and,
• 1:01:00
  and starting new shows and doing those things and still doing the
• 1:01:04
  download. The download was a commitment.
• 1:01:05
  Now it's a commitment and it still is a commitment.
• 1:01:08
  And I, I, I just felt like it was time for me to take some of
• 1:01:15
  that time back and put it into the company because we're going
• 1:01:18
  to need it now. Because I don't know if you know
• 1:01:21
  this, but a lot of you content creators just started sprouting
• 1:01:23
  up over the past couple years and now you start competition.
• 1:01:26
  You. I want, I want to make this
• 1:01:28
  clear. Dirty MO Media started all this.
• 1:01:32
  Dale Junior called me and, and, and I'm going to go ahead and
• 1:01:35
  say this because I think it will make him look good there.
• 1:01:38
  Nothing really makes him look bad.
• 1:01:42
  In other words. In other words, I have no dirt
• 1:01:44
  on Dale Junior. He calls me and you know, and
• 1:01:48
  I've said this before, he's probably called me five times
• 1:01:51
  and he always text me, but when he calls me, I'm like, oh, oh,
• 1:01:54
  crap. And he said, I just want to let
• 1:01:56
  you know something, He says you're doing your show, we're
• 1:02:00
  doing ours. Every once in a while, we're
• 1:02:02
  going to overlap gas without knowing it and just know
• 1:02:05
  nothing. This is quote I wanted to reach
• 1:02:09
  through the phone and hugging Dale Junior, said Kenny Wallace.
• 1:02:13
  Nothing will ever come between our friendship.
• 1:02:16
  We are friends forever. But every once in a while, you
• 1:02:20
  and I might interview the same people and you might get a
• 1:02:23
  different answer. And that's the only reason he
• 1:02:26
  called me. And it was just unbelievable.
• 1:02:29
  So you started all this, Mike Davis.
• 1:02:34
  And of course, Charlie called me up because podcasting became
• 1:02:40
  this new thing. So yeah, all the credit to you.
• 1:02:45
  You were the original podcaster in NASCAR.
• 1:02:48
  Well, listen, I don't I I humbly disagree, but that's OK.
• 1:02:53
  My story your. Story.
• 1:02:55
  Right, I, I will say that though, going back to your
• 1:02:58
  question, like I, I also had a bit of again, I, I, I was taking
• 1:03:07
  exception. I wouldn't say it made me angry.
• 1:03:09
  I don't say anything like that, but my identity, my value is on
• 1:03:17
  what the future of the company is, But it it, it, I didn't love
• 1:03:21
  the fact that my identity. People would think that I'm just
• 1:03:23
  here to be a Co host on the Dell junior download.
• 1:03:26
  Like like I, I don't know what that was.
• 1:03:28
  That was something that that I was having to really kind of
• 1:03:30
  wrestle with. And I just because I have bigger
• 1:03:35
  plans, right? Like my, my vision for this was
• 1:03:38
  not going to be relegated to the Dell Junior download only the
• 1:03:41
  Dell Junior download is a huge piece of it.
• 1:03:44
  But the fact of the matter is it's a huge piece of it.
• 1:03:46
  But it's Dale's show and I need that to keep going because it's
• 1:03:51
  still, there's a lot. I, I still think there's a lot
• 1:03:54
  to still do. There's still a lot of healing.
• 1:03:55
  There's still a lot of conversations that need to be
• 1:03:57
  had there. We got a lot of people that we
• 1:03:58
  want on the show. But it just, I, I just didn't
• 1:04:02
  think it needed me anymore. And so I told Dale midway
• 1:04:08
  through last year, like June ish July, that this was kind of
• 1:04:11
  going to let's, I'll finish out this year.
• 1:04:13
  But like we, I really was looking forward to spending time
• 1:04:18
  with my partners out in LA, spending time with people that
• 1:04:21
  are, you know, helping me build the company.
• 1:04:23
  And that's what I really get excited about.
• 1:04:26
  That's when I'm in my happy place.
• 1:04:29
  That's my driver's seat. It's not it, it's not on.
• 1:04:32
  It's not in front of a camera, frankly, you know, you and I had
• 1:04:35
  this conversation when you asked me to be on this.
• 1:04:37
  It's like, you know, you know, I I'm not, I'm not comfortable
• 1:04:42
  necessarily being in front of camera.
• 1:04:43
  So that's people would think that that's a hard to believe.
• 1:04:47
  In fact, a lot of people that sit there and think that I was
• 1:04:49
  on the download for myself. I couldn't have it more wrong,
• 1:04:53
  but like, that's not, I'm not most comfortable in that
• 1:04:56
  situation. I liked it.
• 1:04:57
  I like the company and the vision and the mission that we
• 1:04:59
  have. Kitty, you know, what excites me
• 1:05:01
  and what makes it, what fulfills me is, you know, the building of
• 1:05:04
  the shows in what you and I are doing together.
• 1:05:08
  Like that's what I get excited about.
• 1:05:09
  Like, you know, building that show out, being able to tell
• 1:05:12
  those stories, you getting into your brain and getting into
• 1:05:15
  Schrader's break. Like that's where I'm really in
• 1:05:17
  my happiest. And, and so that's, I don't
• 1:05:20
  know, that's a long answer to kind of like why I made the
• 1:05:22
  decision to leave the download. But again, as you know, I
• 1:05:27
  haven't left the download at all.
• 1:05:28
  I'm still producing the download.
• 1:05:30
  I've been it's, it's as I'm as involved and as it's as
• 1:05:34
  important to me as it ever was and I'm just not in front of the
• 1:05:38
  camera anymore. So I want to, I always want, I
• 1:05:43
  always like making people feel good.
• 1:05:45
  And Kenny, Kenny Schrader made me feel a little guilty because
• 1:05:49
  he, he said as we were promoting the show, the new show coming
• 1:05:52
  up, whatever it's going to be called.
• 1:05:54
  But he said, I don't want to hear everybody's opinion.
• 1:06:00
  That's what Schrader said. I'm like, well, you're wrong.
• 1:06:01
  I do want to hear everybody's opinion.
• 1:06:03
  So I'm going to give you my opinion.
• 1:06:05
  My opinion is that you made the right move getting off as it
• 1:06:09
  goes. I believe you are more enriched
• 1:06:12
  and you are more like this. You're more popular now because
• 1:06:16
  everybody knows you are in. You are the, you know, kind of
• 1:06:20
  the guy that makes it all happen.
• 1:06:22
  You are that like like that executive that that is, in my
• 1:06:25
  opinion, good move. I like it.
• 1:06:29
  And now I'm going to ask a controversial question and I
• 1:06:33
  want I want you to straighten everybody out, including me who
• 1:06:37
  owns. And yet I don't expect you to
• 1:06:40
  tell me like exactly. But how does this split up
• 1:06:45
  between you and Dale Junior? Do you own it?
• 1:06:47
  Do you own dirty MO Media or you and him partners?
• 1:06:52
  He's the he's got the majority stake.
• 1:06:55
  OK, that's but but you and. By the way, as as he should,
• 1:07:02
  right? Here's the thing.
• 1:07:03
  Here's the thing that everybody needs to understand.
• 1:07:07
  If Dirty MO Media screws up, it looks way worse on Dale Junior
• 1:07:11
  than it does Mike Davis, right? His name's out.
• 1:07:14
  There, yeah, he's the one that he's the one that SportsCenter
• 1:07:19
  will make a story about. He's the one that.
• 1:07:21
  So no, this is a Dale Junior company.
• 1:07:25
  Do I own some of it? Yes, but that's only because
• 1:07:29
  again, again, I go back to Dale and Kelly always, just always
• 1:07:38
  just showing me the the the utmost appreciation and
• 1:07:44
  compliments. I don't, you know, whether or
• 1:07:45
  not that's even what they're trying to do, but that that that
• 1:07:48
  was a gesture that that they gave me and I will always be
• 1:07:52
  indebted for it. I'm doing, I'm living my dream.
• 1:07:56
  I'm I work in racing and I work in NASCAR and I work for Dale
• 1:08:00
  Earnhardt Junior and I have for 20 years.
• 1:08:04
  And the two years before that was with Jimmy Spencer and I
• 1:08:06
  value that as well, right? And.
• 1:08:09
  And and look here it, it's you know it, it's right here and
• 1:08:13
  we're. Going to we're going to end
• 1:08:14
  there. We're going to end we're we're
• 1:08:15
  starting the movie early. And yeah.
• 1:08:18
  But but I'm just saying, Kenny, I'm just saying this is my
• 1:08:21
  dream. I'm in media.
• 1:08:23
  I what I went to college for. I'm I'm playing out and I'm
• 1:08:27
  doing it in this environment. I'm a blessed man.
• 1:08:31
  And so the fact that Dale and I are partners in that is also an
• 1:08:34
  amazing gesture and amazing thing.
• 1:08:36
  And also I feel the responsibility of that a lot of
• 1:08:40
  people sit there. I want to own this.
• 1:08:41
  I want to own that. I wanted to feel the pressure of
• 1:08:46
  it. I want because it's easy to
• 1:08:48
  spend Dale Junior's money or it's easy to go grow something
• 1:08:54
  on the back of Dale Earnhardt Junior.
• 1:08:56
  It's not that that there's harder ways to do it, right?
• 1:08:59
  There's harder ways to do it. I, I did say to Kelly and Dale
• 1:09:06
  that I, I do want to feel the magnitude of a decision, right?
• 1:09:10
  I wanted my ass on the line and there, you know, when you talk
• 1:09:15
  about having a stake in something that's good and bad,
• 1:09:18
  right? If it if it fails, I fail with
• 1:09:21
  it. If it sinks, I'll sink with it.
• 1:09:23
  I'll go down with the ship. If it succeeds, then then we can
• 1:09:27
  all feel good about that. But at the same time, this is my
• 1:09:30
  living and I'm doing something that I that, that it's a it's a
• 1:09:34
  dream job, right? And I get to grow media company
• 1:09:36
  with Dale Junior. It's a dream job.
• 1:09:38
  So now let's kind of turn around and go back a little bit.
• 1:09:45
  Why does Dale Junior and Kelly like you?
• 1:09:50
  Why do you guys get along 20 years?
• 1:09:54
  You got to reflect. You got to look internally.
• 1:09:57
  You've had to go down the road. Certainly every once in a while.
• 1:10:01
  Maybe you don't even know. But what if you dig deep?
• 1:10:04
  What is it that you think puts you 3 together?
• 1:10:10
  Because certainly Kelly could badmouth you behind your back
• 1:10:13
  and you know all three of you are are still going 20 years.
• 1:10:18
  Why? Well, I'll, I don't know, but
• 1:10:23
  I'll attempt an answer, OK? Yeah, that's it.
• 1:10:26
  I, I don't know, but I'll attempt the answer.
• 1:10:29
  I love talking to young people who aspire to be in this sport
• 1:10:34
  and I and I say the same thing to them and I maybe this has
• 1:10:38
  something to do with it. I don't know, but maybe it does.
• 1:10:43
  I've never taken a day for granted.
• 1:10:47
  I don't feel like I belong. I don't feel like I've earned a
• 1:10:52
  like I've earned some sort of job security.
• 1:10:56
  I've, I very much intentionally feel the opposite.
• 1:11:00
  I intentionally feel the opposite.
• 1:11:03
  I treat every day like it's a job interview, OK?
• 1:11:09
  Because it any day this sport can spit you out it.
• 1:11:16
  Look, when the lifeblood of this profession is corporate
• 1:11:19
  sponsorship, there's no guarantees for tomorrow, is
• 1:11:23
  there? None.
• 1:11:24
  And that's not just for drivers. Drivers are the ones that are
• 1:11:27
  most publicized, but that's for crew members, that's for team.
• 1:11:32
  It's it's for anything. So the fact of the matter is, is
• 1:11:36
  that, you know, I don't I, I don't know what tomorrow brings
• 1:11:43
  and I want to earn it right. You got to keep in mind, like,
• 1:11:48
  you know, I got the ray shop through my window here.
• 1:11:50
  That was Dale's idea. Dale wanted to have Junior
• 1:11:53
  Motorsports. Dale did not sign up to run a
• 1:11:57
  media company. Now, has he found a love for it
• 1:12:00
  and has he found a place for it? Yeah, sure.
• 1:12:03
  But at the end of the day, if it causes him problems, he can just
• 1:12:07
  shut the door, can he? I mean, and he should.
• 1:12:10
  He should. Because if you don't sign up for
• 1:12:12
  headaches in your life, you sign up to.
• 1:12:14
  Especially when you've reached our age, you're just looking to
• 1:12:17
  ride it out peacefully, right? Like you're just trying to just
• 1:12:20
  like get rid of your, your problems and just, you know,
• 1:12:23
  surround yourself with nothing but good, happy things.
• 1:12:26
  So if I'm not providing something that's good or happy,
• 1:12:31
  then you don't need me. I, you know, and, and I, I, I
• 1:12:35
  not only understand it, but I agree with it.
• 1:12:39
  I agree with it. So maybe there's something to
• 1:12:42
  that, because I know that we've hired people in the past that,
• 1:12:46
  you know, when you, when you start working for, for the
• 1:12:49
  Earnhardt company, if you have even a hint of ego, then you
• 1:12:56
  start to feel real good about yourself.
• 1:12:57
  And you can let a lot of the, the, the, the surrounding
• 1:13:01
  temptations or the surrounding influences really kind of make
• 1:13:05
  you put you into bad decisions or bad ideas.
• 1:13:11
  And one of them is thinking that you're as important as Dale.
• 1:13:15
  I've seen that happen. I've seen, I've seen that happen
• 1:13:19
  multiple times in this company where people think that they are
• 1:13:24
  as important as Dale Junior. And I'm like, your name ain't on
• 1:13:27
  the front of that building and it won't be.
• 1:13:29
  And also there, you know, I just, I, I just can't, I can't
• 1:13:34
  agree with that. I can't agree with that type of
• 1:13:37
  approach. So I like to go now, I like to
• 1:13:40
  tell my employees this and I like to tell the people that
• 1:13:43
  even ask about my opinion on how do I get in the sport.
• 1:13:45
  I say get your foot in the door. Don't ever get complacent.
• 1:13:50
  Get your foot in the door. And then your, your, your focus
• 1:13:54
  in is staying. How do you stay?
• 1:13:58
  And you stay by being an example and being hard to replace.
• 1:14:03
  And you show up and you do the right things and and and you
• 1:14:06
  come up with ideas where, hey, listen, in my case, Dirty MO
• 1:14:09
  Media. Well, you say, Oh well, big
• 1:14:11
  deal. Well, you got to remember
• 1:14:13
  something about Dirty MO Media. We were at a phase, We were at a
• 1:14:16
  point where we were starting to think about what does life after
• 1:14:20
  racing look like. For Dale Junior, we had done ATV
• 1:14:24
  show with Shaquille O'Neal in 2010.
• 1:14:26
  It was a show on ABC called Shaq Versus and Shaq came here, raced
• 1:14:31
  in a car against Dale Junior and Shaq's team came and we were
• 1:14:35
  sitting there just getting, we were just gleaning information.
• 1:14:38
  Hey, Shaquille O'Neal, legendary basketball player, as relevant
• 1:14:43
  after basketball as he was in basketball, maybe even more so.
• 1:14:47
  You can't, you can't count how many commercials he's been on.
• 1:14:50
  You can't. Good example.
• 1:14:52
  So Michael Strahan's another one.
• 1:14:55
  And these are people that we go and I go glean information like,
• 1:14:58
  how did you do it? How do you do this stuff?
• 1:15:00
  And so this was happening back as early as 2010.
• 1:15:03
  Dale's last season was 2017. So when you look at the, the
• 1:15:08
  seeds that were sown of Dirty MO Media or some of the other
• 1:15:11
  things we were doing, Kelly, myself, the brand team, we were
• 1:15:14
  already trying to think about what life after racing looks
• 1:15:16
  like. And I saw Dirty MO Media as one,
• 1:15:19
  not the only, but one way for Dale Junior's name and influence
• 1:15:26
  and, and, and the fans that we serve to continue beyond just
• 1:15:31
  the, the driver's seat and the steering wheel.
• 1:15:34
  So I don't even know where we were going with all this kid,
• 1:15:37
  No. You you know, why do you and
• 1:15:41
  Dale Junior and Kelly get along? And, and basically in ending,
• 1:15:45
  I'll capsulate it. It's because you don't think
• 1:15:48
  you're anybody. You you come in there and you
• 1:15:51
  just bust ass and you feel like you and Kelly and Junior are
• 1:15:56
  recognizing you all together. Just bust ass.
• 1:15:59
  You just work your ass off and you you don't ever gloat on any
• 1:16:02
  success. OK, so moving forward, and this
• 1:16:07
  is a fun one, when was the last time you or Kelly or or Junior
• 1:16:14
  argued? Oh my gosh.
• 1:16:16
  Tell me about them. Well, give me an inside look at
• 1:16:18
  A at a disagreement and and how do you how do you stay, stay
• 1:16:23
  friends? So I've argued a lot more with
• 1:16:30
  Dale than I have with Kelly. Yeah.
• 1:16:32
  I bet she's a bad ass. I'm afraid of her, all right.
• 1:16:37
  I love her. I love her and to be honest with
• 1:16:40
  you, I I respect Kelly's opinion so much on everything that it
• 1:16:46
  like for for me to even. She's smart.
• 1:16:49
  For for me to even refute something she says, I'll just
• 1:16:52
  feels off right like tell. Me about it.
• 1:16:54
  Tell me about a Dale Junior argument.
• 1:16:56
  You and him. Listen, man, I'm going to tell
• 1:16:59
  you something, Dale, and I've had some doozies.
• 1:17:01
  But to be honest with you, well, especially when we were when we
• 1:17:06
  were traveling. I mean, there was a point when
• 1:17:09
  Dale again was in that, that, that, that drought, that winning
• 1:17:14
  drought, right, with Hendrick and with Hendrick.
• 1:17:17
  And there was, he was living in a dungeon like he was living.
• 1:17:22
  It didn't even have any windows. It was the most dark and
• 1:17:25
  depressing, like a get by type of thing, like he's living above
• 1:17:29
  his shop while his house was being built and and we were it's
• 1:17:35
  just there's just there was tension.
• 1:17:38
  You know, I'd never once doubted that.
• 1:17:41
  We loved it. Of course, I love the guy.
• 1:17:43
  Like, you know, there was never any doubt there.
• 1:17:45
  But like, but we just were always tense and and it wasn't
• 1:17:50
  just us. It was everything, right?
• 1:17:53
  Everything was tense. So Dale and I would have some
• 1:17:58
  some good arguments. Let me think of a good one for
• 1:18:00
  you, because you don't. You don't really have to tell.
• 1:18:02
  Me No, wait a second. There's a I'm not going to
• 1:18:06
  confirm. I'm not going to confirm or deny
• 1:18:08
  this, but there's a belief that sometimes I might manufacture an
• 1:18:12
  argument just just because I know that after the argument,
• 1:18:17
  you know, you can pretty much get get anything you want from
• 1:18:20
  it. But like if you need that answer
• 1:18:22
  to be yes. Now that I don't know if that's
• 1:18:26
  totally true, but I know this here.
• 1:18:27
  Here's what I will tell you in in summation here.
• 1:18:32
  I've always felt like I could be honest with Dell.
• 1:18:36
  That's big and and he always I feel like he can be honest with
• 1:18:40
  me. He, he and I, I'll tell you the
• 1:18:46
  last one we had the good one. And now this has been about a
• 1:18:49
  year. Think yeah, it's been about a
• 1:18:52
  year. So we're due you.
• 1:18:55
  Guys are brothers. But but like you know, we were.
• 1:19:01
  We're due for an. We're due for one, right?
• 1:19:04
  He hey, he called me 30 minutes ago and I'm blaming you on this
• 1:19:11
  one, but he called me 30. He gets mad when I don't answer
• 1:19:14
  his call. You.
• 1:19:15
  Say Herman won't let me off. I tried, but no, like, you know,
• 1:19:19
  we had a, a pretty good disagreement or something over
• 1:19:23
  over. I think there was a a potential
• 1:19:27
  sponsor with the company that we were trying to decide on whether
• 1:19:31
  to take it or not and we had a disagreement on that.
• 1:19:34
  I believe if that that wasn't even a good we though there was
• 1:19:42
  one. This goes back to the driving.
• 1:19:45
  You're debating whether to tell me.
• 1:19:47
  No, no, I'm I'm trying to remember, I'm trying to give you
• 1:19:50
  a good story and I'm trying to think, yeah, I was like, I just
• 1:19:53
  realized that the one about the the the potential sponsor, not
• 1:19:56
  even that good of an argument. It was just but.
• 1:19:58
  You do argue. Yeah, I mean, we're just honest
• 1:20:02
  with each other. We're just honest with each
• 1:20:04
  other. I mean, like me.
• 1:20:05
  Listen, I, I can't, I can't be a guy that, that can't that, that
• 1:20:11
  that is dishonest or doesn't say what I think.
• 1:20:14
  I feel like there's a, a decision we're making.
• 1:20:16
  It's not good. I'm going to say it.
• 1:20:18
  I and you know, that may go back to answering your question of
• 1:20:21
  why does he keep me around? Maybe there's a value to that.
• 1:20:25
  You know, maybe that he's been surrounded by a bunch of yes
• 1:20:27
  man. I'm not a yes man, yeah, not,
• 1:20:30
  although there's a lot of people on social media that have always
• 1:20:33
  accused me of that. But again, I don't think they
• 1:20:35
  know us. They don't know me and they
• 1:20:37
  don't know Dell. And so they're just taking what
• 1:20:39
  you know, face value on the Dell junior download, which we've had
• 1:20:41
  arguments on the download too. So I.
• 1:20:43
  Would say in my humble opinion, honestly, it sounds to me like
• 1:20:48
  you 2 are brothers and that's a compliment.
• 1:20:51
  I, I seriously, I think you you guys are brothers.
• 1:20:54
  I think Kelly's your sister and all right, we're going to end it
• 1:20:58
  like this in a fun way. My notes say you started in 2002
• 1:21:05
  when Jimmy Spencer hired you. Danielle Randall hired me.
• 1:21:10
  Whoa. Yeah, that's her name for you
• 1:21:13
  now. Yeah, she was your.
• 1:21:15
  My PR lady. That's right.
• 1:21:17
  So she hired you? OK, go ahead.
• 1:21:20
  The Motorsports Decisions Group. Right, I'll be darned.
• 1:21:24
  Yes, I got a call I when I was graduating college, I, I
• 1:21:31
  probably sent 7080 resumes, mailed them.
• 1:21:35
  Somebody did an amazing thing for me.
• 1:21:37
  I, I want to tell you the story. This is really good.
• 1:21:39
  Do you remember the, the guy named Ken Patterson at
• 1:21:41
  Talladega? He was the, he was the head PR
• 1:21:44
  guy at Talladega. And he didn't know me from Adam,
• 1:21:48
  but we had a mutual friend, Mark Mccarter, who had been Michael
• 1:21:52
  Waltrip's PR guy, but he's mainly a, a newspaper guy.
• 1:21:56
  And I, that's how I knew Mark Mccarter.
• 1:21:58
  Anyways, Mark knew that I needed that I was aspiring, I was
• 1:22:02
  graduating college and he knew I wanted to get into racing.
• 1:22:05
  And, and he goes, I'm going to introduce you to a guy named Ken
• 1:22:09
  Patterson. He's the head guy Talladega.
• 1:22:11
  And they used to have those industry contact books.
• 1:22:13
  I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to do this, but he
• 1:22:15
  photocopied, he faxed me back in 2001 the the contact pages of
• 1:22:23
  the industry contact book and, and, and so I sent resumes to
• 1:22:26
  every, every race team, every PR agency, any if there was a
• 1:22:31
  contact, a mailing address or a phone number in that book, I
• 1:22:36
  sent them a resume. I got 0 responses.
• 1:22:41
  My Lord. Until 5 or 6 months later now
• 1:22:47
  I'm a I'm a newspaper columnist and writer in Albany, GA and
• 1:22:53
  which is where I'm at my wife, my eventual wife.
• 1:22:56
  So there was a it was a short, quick pit stop, A2 tire stop in
• 1:23:00
  Albany, GA. But I did pick up a wife.
• 1:23:04
  And so, but I got, I got a call from Danielle Randall wasn't
• 1:23:09
  even Bauer at the time, I don't think.
• 1:23:11
  But so she, she was one of the people I'd sent a resume to.
• 1:23:17
  And I turned it down because I was like, yeah, I'm now got a
• 1:23:20
  job and I'm, you know, and she called me back a year later or a
• 1:23:25
  week later and said to for me to reconsider.
• 1:23:27
  Now, why would why would somebody who they don't know
• 1:23:30
  call me back if you're not desperate now, why would she be
• 1:23:34
  desperate? And the answer is, is that Jimmy
• 1:23:36
  Spencer could not find somebody to work with him.
• 1:23:44
  Yeah. So I end up, Long story short,
• 1:23:46
  taking the job and got moving to Charlotte.
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  Didn't own a thing. Speed Weeks had already started
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  2002. Her account was with yellow
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  transportation, Yellow, you know, the the yellow Freight
• 1:23:57
  trucking company. And the the team in that account
• 1:24:01
  was James Finch. And by the way, Kenny, you
• 1:24:04
  remember this Finch? Like my first race was Daytona
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  Fitch would take a restrictor plate car and absolutely whoop
• 1:24:13
  their ass with it. Look at there.
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  I'm going to say I'm going to send this to Charlie.
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  And and there's Junior and Spencer working on speed.
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  You 2 must still love each other.
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  We do. But The funny thing about that
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  picture is that Dale and Dale and Jimmy don't necessarily love
• 1:24:30
  each other. And so I think that picture, I
• 1:24:34
  look, I laugh more at the fact that Dale Junior is probably
• 1:24:36
  super uncomfortable in that moment.
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  I'm sending it to Charlie right now.
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  Charlie, drop that picture right here.
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  But Danielle hired me and again, I, I, I knew, I knew I could not
• 1:24:50
  figure out how I got that job. But then I realized soon that
• 1:24:54
  Jimmy was not the easiest thing to work with.
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  But Jimmy and I hit it off really well.
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  And, and, and I, I talked to Spencer a few weeks ago, as a
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  matter of fact. And so those two years, the
• 1:25:08
  first one with Finch and then the second one with Ultra
• 1:25:11
  Motorsports, Jimmy Smith, you know, And so those were two.
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  I, I, I look at those years as I learned a lot of PR that year on
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  how to crisis manage. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm.
• 1:25:26
  Great chicken salad out of chicken shit.
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  Crisis management. The the first year he got fired
• 1:25:31
  by Ganassi Finch. You know, he and Finch had a
• 1:25:33
  little bit of a falling out. The second year, well, he
• 1:25:39
  punched Kurt Busch and he got suspended.
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  So like. You were with him during that?
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  Yeah, I was. I stood right next to him.
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  Yeah, Oh my God, I got AI got a great stories about.
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  That tell me exactly how that happened.
• 1:25:51
  Tell me your version. I'll tell you the version.
• 1:25:54
  Nobody knows if I think maybe me and Spencer talked about it when
• 1:25:57
  he was on the download, but I'll tell it here.
• 1:26:02
  Jimmy and Kurt obviously had had run insurance all year, started
• 1:26:06
  at Bristol. Jimmy almost won that Cup race
• 1:26:09
  and Kurt ended up winning it. And I knew Jimmy was crushed by
• 1:26:12
  that. But then Jimmy ends up wrecking
• 1:26:13
  him at Indianapolis hard. And and then here they are at
• 1:26:19
  Michigan and and they're racing and I mean they're beating and
• 1:26:22
  banging differences is that Spencer was a lap down and Kurt
• 1:26:25
  was leading the race and yet Jimmy is not letting him go by.
• 1:26:30
  And it's great. They're drag racing down the
• 1:26:32
  front stretch. I mean, Michigan, you know, they
• 1:26:33
  put up so much. I mean, they're pulling so much
• 1:26:35
  speed there anyways, So they had it mixed it up in that in that
• 1:26:39
  race. And so they're pulling into the
• 1:26:40
  garage and you know how that garage is laid out and Jimmy and
• 1:26:45
  Kurt, Jimmy's following Kurt and Kurt stops his car right in
• 1:26:50
  front of the lift of the of the transporter, right?
• 1:26:53
  A Jimmy's in front of Jimmy's. So Jimmy can't Jimmy would have
• 1:26:58
  liked to been able to pull his car up onto the lift, you know,
• 1:27:01
  help the team out. You know, they don't have to go,
• 1:27:04
  you know, maneuvered around it with whatever this is my vantage
• 1:27:07
  point. I don't even know if that's
• 1:27:08
  true, but I I know that he stopped in front of the lift.
• 1:27:10
  Jimmy Jimmy hops out and starts yelling.
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  Now, I, I, I can't hear exactly what he's saying.
• 1:27:18
  I just know his head is in the in the window.
• 1:27:22
  And it, this is not something I, this isn't the first time I've
• 1:27:25
  seen this. I saw him yelling at Todd Bodine
• 1:27:28
  so hard after a race, think at Watkins Glen like yelling at
• 1:27:33
  Todd Bodine. But again, I also knew there was
• 1:27:35
  a history there. So I just figured, this is just
• 1:27:40
  Jimmy doing, you know, he's just mad about something and he's
• 1:27:42
  yelling at Kurt. Kurt gets out of the car and
• 1:27:45
  he's got blood coming down his nose.
• 1:27:46
  And I'm like. Oh.
• 1:27:49
  Oh, oh, he hitting. Oh my God, he hitting.
• 1:27:53
  And Kurt's saying you're done, you're over, you're nothing,
• 1:27:56
  you're over. And so he's going to the NASCAR
• 1:27:59
  hauler. So here's the fun part.
• 1:28:01
  The fun part is, is that Jimmy and I and Pat, his wife, who I
• 1:28:06
  adore. Oh, she's sweetheart.
• 1:28:09
  Adore. Her opposites a track.
• 1:28:11
  For sure. Opposite in every way possible.
• 1:28:16
  Oh my gosh, she's awesome. We hightail it to the car
• 1:28:20
  because we're getting out of that Speedway.
• 1:28:22
  We're not going to hang around and see what happens and we're
• 1:28:25
  in line and we're trying to get out on the track because, you
• 1:28:28
  know, it's always a race to get to the airport.
• 1:28:30
  Go around the back straight away.
• 1:28:31
  Take the roads to the airport. You got to get out on the track
• 1:28:35
  and all the stuff. Well, they haven't.
• 1:28:36
  We were so quick. They hadn't even opened up the
• 1:28:38
  track for us to drive out on yet.
• 1:28:41
  So we're in line and then finally a NASCAR official comes
• 1:28:45
  over and knocks on the on the door window and says come here.
• 1:28:51
  Almost got out of there. Almost got.
• 1:28:53
  Out of there, almost got out of there.
• 1:28:55
  And so, yeah, so we go back, we park it, we go back in the
• 1:28:58
  garage and then, Yep, he got called to the NASCAR hauler Jack
• 1:29:01
  Roush, and that whole contingent was there and.
• 1:29:06
  And yeah, he was in trouble at that point.
• 1:29:08
  And so that that was a, we get to the plane later that night
• 1:29:13
  and I said to him, I said, so why did you hit him?
• 1:29:20
  I'm like, I know about the yellow, but why'd you hit him?
• 1:29:22
  And he says he parked in front of my truck and I'm like.
• 1:29:27
  No. Why tell the?
• 1:29:29
  Truth. That's it.
• 1:29:30
  Tell the truth, Jimmy. I knew why because Jimmy still
• 1:29:39
  had it out to him for him. They they hated each other.
• 1:29:41
  I'm I'm I still think they do. I still think they do.
• 1:29:44
  I think that's the one thing that hey, I got another little
• 1:29:50
  story to you, isn't? It true that Bobby Allison and
• 1:29:52
  Richard Petty still don't like each other.
• 1:29:54
  I mean, I are one of those those guys, you know, You still here?
• 1:29:58
  I mean Bobby. Still, yeah.
• 1:30:01
  There's not a lot of forgiveness in this sport.
• 1:30:02
  There's, there's a, you could put a Band-Aid on it a little
• 1:30:06
  bit and, and just, you can, you can act appropriate at the, at
• 1:30:09
  the functions and the things and you can do what's good for your
• 1:30:11
  sponsor. But deep down there's, there's a
• 1:30:14
  lot of aggression. Probably still to this day, they
• 1:30:16
  probably care. And here's what I wanted to tell
• 1:30:18
  you. So Kurt Busch and I never had a
• 1:30:20
  relationship and I, I didn't even know the guy until much,
• 1:30:24
  much later. And Kurt had come on the
• 1:30:27
  download and then we would started chit chatting afterwards
• 1:30:30
  and he wanted, he and I started talking about content ideas
• 1:30:33
  together. And I said, hey Kurt, I got the
• 1:30:35
  best idea. I got the best idea for you.
• 1:30:38
  I know where this is going, I said.
• 1:30:40
  Because he also knew that he was he was planning for retirement.
• 1:30:46
  He was thinking about it. And I said, you should do a
• 1:30:49
  documentary. Let me do it where you go.
• 1:30:54
  You go to everybody that you've run into or crossed.
• 1:30:58
  And that list is long. You go, go to go and you, you
• 1:31:04
  seek out conversation with them and, and attempt forgiveness.
• 1:31:11
  And that means all of them. That means, I mean, gosh, Jack
• 1:31:16
  Roush, Rodger Penske, the sheriff that arrested you out in
• 1:31:22
  Phoenix? And I drove his car the next
• 1:31:25
  day. Super sub that means probably
• 1:31:29
  Kyle on some level that maybe an ex-wife here or there and Jimmy
• 1:31:35
  Spencer. And would you know that Jimmy
• 1:31:38
  Spencer was the one that was the No no deal?
• 1:31:41
  I'm going to the sheriff, but I'm not going to Spencer.
• 1:31:48
  What are you talking about? Like, like I even had a clever
• 1:31:52
  name for it and everything. So, you know, I thought that
• 1:31:54
  was, I thought that was a good idea, but maybe we'll do that
• 1:32:00
  one day. But like I'm telling you, those
• 1:32:02
  guys, they look, it's OK. Sometimes you just don't like
• 1:32:04
  the other fella, right? Sometimes you just don't like
• 1:32:07
  them. There's people I don't, I
• 1:32:09
  choose, I want to like them. They're just, they're too dark.
• 1:32:12
  They don't bring anything good and anything, anything to do is
• 1:32:15
  fake, you know? So I'm with you.
• 1:32:18
  Listen, Mike, you have been wonderful.
• 1:32:21
  You really have. And these are some of these
• 1:32:24
  conversations where I'm like, we need a Part 2 because it's for
• 1:32:28
  me, it's kind of like through the through the lens of Mike
• 1:32:31
  Davis, you've carved your own path.
• 1:32:34
  You sent out 80 resumes. You went to, you know, Georgia
• 1:32:39
  Southern University. You removed yourself from, you
• 1:32:45
  know, the Dale Junior download. You just keep creating your
• 1:32:49
  life. And I want to thank you so much
• 1:32:52
  for being on Kenny conversation. And I know there's more to talk
• 1:32:55
  about, but there's there'll just be another another one.
• 1:32:59
  And thank you for being on. Thank you for having me.
• 1:33:04
  Still don't know that anybody will watch this one, Kenny.
• 1:33:06
  But you said it didn't matter. So I said, all right, I'm there
• 1:33:09
  buddy, whatever you want. They, they will listen and we,
• 1:33:14
  we still got to get to actions detrimental and Oh yeah, that'll
• 1:33:18
  be another day. That'll be another day.
• 1:33:20
  Listen everybody, we are in podcast form, iTunes and
• 1:33:24
  Spotify. Check us out, Kenny.
• 1:33:27
  Conversation just keeps on rolling until the next time.
• 1:33:30
  We'll see you then.