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Bidin' His Time · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: What's up, Madison? Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Erin Haines, and I can use my microphone.
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  Speaker 1: I'm John Lovett. I'm Ben Wickler. The best party chair
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  Speaker 1: in the country. Clap for that. I'm Tommy Vitor. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Dan Pfeiffer. We have a great show for you tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Your fantastic senator who is going to win in November,
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  Speaker 3: Tammy Baldwin, is here. And we're going to talk a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more about the Republican convention that just wrapped
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  Speaker 3: up with two people who braved magamania in Milwaukee. Aaron
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  Speaker 3: is the editor-at-large of the 19th, and of course, your
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  Speaker 3: Democratic Party chair, as Tommy said, the best in the country,
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  Speaker 3: Ben Wickler. All right, let's start with the RNC, which
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  Speaker 3: had everything. Election deniers, convicted felons. domestic abusers, cute dogs
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  Speaker 3: and dog killers, a running mate who once called his
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  Speaker 3: boss America's Hitler. But somehow, the Republican Party is in
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  Speaker 3: the strongest position they've been in in a decade, despite
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  Speaker 3: being massively outspent. Three points ahead nationally, four points ahead
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  Speaker 3: in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and here in Wisconsin, ahead by even
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  Speaker 3: more in other swing states, and it's all because of
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  Speaker 3: this once-in-a-generation talent.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Kid Rock, sometimes referred to as Bob. Was
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  Speaker 1: Dana good? Was he good?
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  Speaker 4: You know, he was on probably the only vacation he's
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  Speaker 4: had in about, maybe ever. So he got on a plane,
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  Speaker 4: he got here a little while ago, now he's going
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  Speaker 4: to get on the plane in a little while and
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  Speaker 4: he's going to go back.
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  Speaker 1: Home to his wife. but they're great. They may call
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  Speaker 1: that entertainment.
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  Speaker 4: I know about entertainment, but when he used to lift
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  Speaker 4: a 350-pound man over his shoulders and then bench press
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  Speaker 4: him two rows into the audience, I say, maybe entertainment,
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  Speaker 4: but he is one strong son of a gun.
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  Speaker 1: Followed by Eric. What was that all about? And Green
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  Speaker 1: Bay's going to have a good team this year, right?
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  Speaker 1: They're going to have a good team.
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  Speaker 4: I watched the other day on a show called deface
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  Speaker 4: the nation. Has anyone seen it? If they would ever
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  Speaker 4: win this election, I hate to even say that, we
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  Speaker 4: will have our next Republican convention in Venezuela because it
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  Speaker 4: will be safe.
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  Speaker 1: The longest runways, most powerful, hardened, thickened runways.
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  Speaker 4: So we have to take the bow and we have
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  Speaker 4: to make it a little nicer and a little point
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  Speaker 4: at the top instead of a flat nose.
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  Speaker 3: That was his convention speech in front of tens of
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  Speaker 3: millions of people. The easiest speech in politics. You just
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  Speaker 3: get a free audience teleprompter.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he did.
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  Speaker 3: All right, the four of us gave our quick reactions
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  Speaker 3: last night. Erin and Ben, since both of you were there,
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  Speaker 3: I'd love to hear what you thought of both Trump's
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  Speaker 3: speech and the convention as a whole.
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  Speaker 1: Erin, let's start with you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think to echo the former president,
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  Speaker 5: what was that all about? By the time I got
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  Speaker 5: to the end of that speech... And shout out to
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  Speaker 5: everybody that stayed awake for that speech and is here
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  Speaker 5: with us tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Really appreciate you. I know that was not easy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, that was probably the most subdued part
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  Speaker 5: of the whole week, though, to be honest, because I
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  Speaker 5: was there for most of the convention and it was
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  Speaker 5: a big party. Like the Grand Ole Party threw a
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  Speaker 5: big party this week. They are feeling good. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: kicking it off on Monday when you had. literally ailing
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  Speaker 5: cannon saying, you know what, drop in this case. They're
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  Speaker 5: going in with a lot of energy and the momentum
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  Speaker 5: just built every single day as they're watching Joe Biden
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  Speaker 5: still on the ropes and their guy, you know, who
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  Speaker 5: apparently was divinely intervened into to, you know, to join
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  Speaker 5: them and accept the nomination for the Republican Party's presidential bid.
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  Speaker 5: So they're riding high. They were in high spirits. You
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  Speaker 5: could tell all week and it just kind of culminated in, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: whatever we all watched last night.
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  Speaker 1: Some weird shit. They seem pretty cocky.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, cocky is probably the accurate word. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: last night might as well have been election night for them.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that's where they are. They feel like God
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  Speaker 5: himself wants Trump to be president, as endorsed by Franklin
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  Speaker 5: Graham and Hulk Hogan. So, you know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: That's all you need. The Alpha and the Omega. Ben,
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  Speaker 1: you were there, too. What did you think?
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  Speaker 6: It was a fascinating convention. Most of all, to me,
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  Speaker 6: because of what they did not talk about. There have been,
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  Speaker 6: I think, three really huge things that have happened since 2020.
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  Speaker 6: The first is that President Biden and Vice President Harris
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  Speaker 6: have done a killer job. They've passed a ton of legislation.
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  Speaker 6: They've had the best economy.
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  Speaker 1: In the world.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Weirdly, no one pointed that out at the Republican convention.
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  Speaker 6: I don't understand why. I mean, it's right there. The
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  Speaker 6: second thing was that after Trump lost in Wisconsin and
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  Speaker 6: the other states, he tried to overthrow the government of
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  Speaker 6: the United States. And a violent insurrection that killed multiple
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  Speaker 6: people and had his supporters trying to club police officers
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  Speaker 6: with American flagpoles and then parading the Confederate flag through
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  Speaker 6: the Capitol. Trump has been campaigning on, like, immediately pardoning
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  Speaker 6: the January 6th hostages, as he calls them, that was
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  Speaker 6: gone from the stage, as though it had never happened.
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  Speaker 6: And then the third is that the Supreme Court justices
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  Speaker 6: that Donald Trump appointed for that purpose ripped away a
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  Speaker 6: fundamental freedom from half of America. And they didn't mention
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  Speaker 6: that at the Republican convention. So it was kind of like...
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  Speaker 6: The convention that seems fine because no one mentions the
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  Speaker 6: giant gaping problem that everyone is actually thinking about. And
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  Speaker 6: the tell for me was that Trump, I mean, the
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  Speaker 6: biggest news that actually came out of the convention was
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  Speaker 6: Trump's choice of a vice presidential nominee whose two qualifications
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  Speaker 6: were his support for 100% abortion ban and his stated
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  Speaker 6: willingness to shred our constitution in order to give Trump
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  Speaker 6: a dictatorship. And that, long after the lights have faded
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  Speaker 6: and the gold balloons have been popped, in the Pfizer forum,
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  Speaker 6: that is going to be an anchor that Trump has
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  Speaker 6: dropped through the bottom of his boat. He has chosen
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  Speaker 6: the person who confirms our most important and most effective
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  Speaker 6: argument in this election. They're the party of trying to
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  Speaker 6: rip away freedom and destroy our democracy, and they have
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  Speaker 6: to own that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think.
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  Speaker 3: Someone went through the transcript of all the speeches. I
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  Speaker 3: think abortion was not mentioned once. in the entire convention.
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  Speaker 3: They tried to avoid the election denial, but Trump couldn't
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  Speaker 3: help himself in his speech because he was riffing, as
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  Speaker 3: we know. Here's how the New York Times sums up
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  Speaker 3: Trump's challenge going forward. His success will depend on whether,
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  Speaker 3: for the final 15 weeks of the campaign, he can
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  Speaker 3: contain his self-destructive tendencies and temper his preference for vengeance
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  Speaker 3: and unpopular hard-right policies.
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  Speaker 1: Dan, uh, Will Trump's.
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  Speaker 3: Success depend on maintaining the sense of discipline that he's
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  Speaker 3: famous for?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the witness is being led here.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, we have read all of these stories over
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  Speaker 8: the last few months as Susie Wiles and Chris LaCivita,
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  Speaker 8: Trump's campaign co-managers, have gone around extolling their virtues about
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  Speaker 8: how disciplined the Trump campaign is, how this is more
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  Speaker 8: professional than the previous Trump campaigns, which were run by
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  Speaker 8: basically the dregs of the Fox News green room. And
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  Speaker 8: I think that is actually an accurate representation of how
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  Speaker 8: they've run this race. They've run a disciplined race. They've
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  Speaker 8: run a strategic race. They've been very smart about how
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  Speaker 8: they've thought about the messaging and the allocation of resources.
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  Speaker 8: But there's one big problem with the Trump campaign. And
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  Speaker 8: that problem is Donald Trump. I mean, we saw that.
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  Speaker 1: They ran.
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  Speaker 8: They solved almost everything. That may be the unsolvable problem.
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  Speaker 8: But their convention was the convention of a party that
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  Speaker 8: desperately wants to win. And as Ben pointed out, they
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  Speaker 8: didn't talk about abortion and they didn't talk about the
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  Speaker 8: big lie, which are the two things that make you
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  Speaker 8: a Republican in this day and age. If you do
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  Speaker 8: not believe and or at least propagate the idea, the
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  Speaker 8: false idea that Donald Trump was illegitimately denied the election,
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  Speaker 8: then you are exiled from the party. Yet not a
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  Speaker 8: single person said that Until the one guy who would
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  Speaker 8: suffer the most politically were that idea to be brought up,
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  Speaker 8: stood up on stage and brought it up himself. Like
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  Speaker 8: even think about this. They pitched this idea. They were
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  Speaker 8: so proud of it that Joe, he would never mention
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  Speaker 8: Joe Biden's name. It's a new post-shooting Trump. And then
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  Speaker 8: he did it. He could not not do that. He
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  Speaker 8: asked him to do one thing and he could not
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  Speaker 8: do it. And so that like the takeaway from that
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  Speaker 8: speech is, This guy is so goddamn beatable, right? We
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  Speaker 8: can absolutely do it.
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  Speaker 3: So, Levitt, we were talking last night about how Trump's
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  Speaker 3: speech might play with undecided voters to the extent that
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  Speaker 3: undecided voters were watching that speech. Turns out The Times
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  Speaker 3: and CNN talked about it. to some, and the reviews
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  Speaker 3: were not great. A 21-year-old from Milwaukee said, and this
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  Speaker 3: person had been considering Trump, it was just insane to me.
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  Speaker 1: And it made me feel really uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 3: A retiree from Pennsylvania said, quote, He tried to be
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  Speaker 3: unifying at first, but then got on his high horse
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  Speaker 3: at the end. And a Michigan voter said, it felt
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  Speaker 3: like listening to a fourth grader's essay who had to
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  Speaker 3: meet a word count and was just kind of using fillers.
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  Speaker 2: That was my Uber driver.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds familiar. Voters are great. What do you make
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  Speaker 1: of those reactions?
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  Speaker 3: And why do you think those folks are still undecided?
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  Speaker 1: First of all, I've been that fourth grader. In some sense,
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  Speaker 1: I'll always be that fourth grader. Liger font, bigger margins.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing is, you could get margin blindness, and
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  Speaker 1: then you turn in the paper, and the teacher turns
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  Speaker 1: it back and be like, I see what you tried
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  Speaker 1: to do here, and you realize you squeezed it too
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  Speaker 1: much because you got accustomed to it. Also, it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a loose show. We've been doing recording every
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  Speaker 1: single night. Do you think Ben Wickler would have more
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  Speaker 1: credibility if he wasn't wearing flip-flops? LAUGHTER best party chair
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  Speaker 1: in the country. How good would you be in a
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  Speaker 1: fucking closed-toed shoe? Think about all the door knocking we
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  Speaker 1: could do if you're dragging your feet along the ground
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  Speaker 1: with your toes in the world. I think we can
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  Speaker 1: always get better.
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  Speaker 6: That's what's great about this country.
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  Speaker 1: It's an opportunity. He's so on message, folks. No, but look,
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  Speaker 1: I think when we heard that, you know, this is
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  Speaker 1: going to be a change Trump, this is going to
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  Speaker 1: be a different Trump, I think it was a recognition
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  Speaker 1: that this campaign, which is smart, understands that barring some
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  Speaker 1: big transformation in who Donald Trump is and the public
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  Speaker 1: perception of him, people know who Donald Trump is. They
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  Speaker 1: don't like him. They don't want him to be president.
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  Speaker 1: They also are really unhappy with their choice between both
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  Speaker 1: Biden and Trump. And so the reason you have undecided
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  Speaker 1: people turning on this godforsaken speech, this 90 minutes of bloviating,
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  Speaker 1: unstructured rambling, talking about Dana White's flight logistics. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: Dana White flew in. Now he's going to be here,
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  Speaker 1: and then he's going to fly home. That's just called
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  Speaker 1: going somewhere. It is just a reminder that the question
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  Speaker 1: is not whether Donald Trump can lose. The question is,
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  Speaker 1: can we win, right? It's can we do what we
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  Speaker 1: have to do to bring the people back to us?
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  Speaker 3: Tommy, President Biden released a statement today on Trump's speech
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  Speaker 3: that said he, quote, avoided mentioning his Project 2025 agenda,
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  Speaker 3: but still flaunted the worst of MAGA extremism. During the convention,
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  Speaker 3: Trump senior advisor Chris Lasavita told Jonathan Martin of Politico
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  Speaker 3: that Project 2025 is, quote, a.
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  Speaker 1: Pain in the ass to them. Points for honesty.
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  Speaker 9: I know.
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  Speaker 3: Is this the big vulnerability for Republicans over the next
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  Speaker 3: 15 weeks?
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  Speaker 10: I think so.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I think we should talk about what it
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  Speaker 11: is for a second, which is, It's the playbook for authoritarianism.
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  Speaker 11: It's a turnkey operation for an authoritarian state. This thing
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  Speaker 11: is 900 pages. It's backed by a $ 22 million budget.
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  Speaker 11: So this is not a bunch of liberals puffing something up,
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  Speaker 11: manufacturing a controversy for a campaign. This is a real threat.
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  Speaker 11: And it covers policy, personnel. So they're vetting. They have
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  Speaker 11: a database of people vetted, not for qualifications, but for
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  Speaker 11: loyalty to Donald Trump. They have training for the next
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  Speaker 11: generation of MAGA extremists. And there is a first 180-day
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  Speaker 11: script for Donald Trump to follow. And by the way,
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  Speaker 11: I think he implemented like 60% of the Heritage Foundation's
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  Speaker 11: policies in his first term. So they want to do
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  Speaker 11: things like take full control of federal agencies. They want
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  Speaker 11: to push out qualified civil servants and replace them with
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  Speaker 11: the vetted MAGA extremists. They want the FBI to directly
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  Speaker 11: report to the President of the United States. You don't
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  Speaker 11: have to be a, constitutional scholar to see how that
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  Speaker 11: could go south. And by the way, the FBI has
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  Speaker 11: never been run by a Democrat in its history. This
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  Speaker 11: is the most conservative organization in the government, yet it's
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  Speaker 11: still not conservative enough for Donald Trump. It should make
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  Speaker 11: you think for a second. Uh, they're planning mass deportations.
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  Speaker 11: They want to ban medical abortion. They want to ban Mifepristone.
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  Speaker 11: They want to roll back LGBT rights. They want to, uh,
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  Speaker 11: basically just take control of the entire government and magnify it.
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  Speaker 11: So this is a massive sweeping change to the federal government.
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  Speaker 11: It's a massive invasion in our privacy. It is not
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  Speaker 11: libertarian in any way. It's a huge overreach. So I
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  Speaker 11: do think this is something, Project 2025, it wasn't an
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  Speaker 11: issue that I think the Biden campaign identified. they noticed
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  Speaker 11: that it was going super viral on TikTok when people
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  Speaker 11: were talking about it. So this is an issue that
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  Speaker 11: was identified by voters. This is something voters were organically
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  Speaker 11: concerned about because it touches every part of our life
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  Speaker 11: from abortion to criminalizing porn.
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  Speaker 10: Maybe those are related. I have no idea.
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  Speaker 11: But like, so I do think this is something we
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  Speaker 11: should be hammering every single day from now until election day.
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  Speaker 11: And the value here is it doesn't matter who's at
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  Speaker 11: the top of the tickets. Project 2025 is going to
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  Speaker 11: affect all of us as citizens equally, whether it's Kamala Harris,
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  Speaker 11: Joe Biden, or somebody else.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And we were canvassing today, and some of the folks
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  Speaker 3: we were talking to just brought up Project 2025 organically.
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  Speaker 1: First door we were at. Yeah, first door we were at.
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  Speaker 1: We knocked on the door.
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  Speaker 8: We said, what issues do you think about this election?
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  Speaker 8: She said, saving democracy and stopping Project 2025. It's like,
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  Speaker 8: we'll mark you down as a one.
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  Speaker 1: It's happening. It's happening.
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  Speaker 10: We want to hug you.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, when we come back, a game.
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  Speaker 2: And we're back!
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  Speaker 1: Have you heard the good news? He is risen. And
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  Speaker 1: he has some pretty crazy ideas about love. Namely, if
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  Speaker 1: you don't love him, he'll storm the Capitol. Anyway, it's
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  Speaker 1: time for a game we call Okay, Stop! And this
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  Speaker 1: will be our RNC Dear Leader edition. Let's roll the clip.
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  Speaker 12: At our club championship in March, I watched President Trump
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  Speaker 12: hit a perfect 210-yard four iron to within 10 feet
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  Speaker 12: of the hole.
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  Speaker 7: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: He needed to sink that putt to win. Do you
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  Speaker 1: think he sank it? You better believe you sunk that putt. Okay, stop.
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  Speaker 1: I love this guy. We're lucky he's not the nominee.
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  Speaker 1: This is a 300 electoral vote getting guy. This guy rules.
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  Speaker 1: Best toast at the wedding, this guy. I love him.
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  Speaker 1: I think that guy spoke at the North Korea Politburo meeting.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 13: You know?
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  Speaker 11: Kim Jong-un, yeah, you got a 19 on 18 holes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Pretty good. Pretty good.
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  Speaker 5: No, 210 yard for iron within 10 feet of the hole.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, here, you... You need these, first of all.
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  Speaker 2: But also golf. We're talking about golf.
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  Speaker 5: They love talking about golf. Joe Biden's biggest electoral weakness
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  Speaker 5: is golf.
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  Speaker 3: That was also one of two speakers who talked about golf.
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  Speaker 3: It was like the manager of Trump, Doral.
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  Speaker 1: Doral, yes. Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 5: And how Trump is empowering women, empowered her. That is
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  Speaker 5: also the Donald Trump that we don't know, apparently, is
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  Speaker 5: a Trump that empowers women just FYI.
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  Speaker 1: A full speech. about managing a resort. I liked it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's see the rest.
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  Speaker 12: Donald Trump, 21 club championships.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Biden, zero. Okay, stop. I love this. Repeatedly winning
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  Speaker 1: club champion at the country club you own would be
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  Speaker 1: like me winning Crooked Media Employee of the Month. which
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  Speaker 1: I have month after month because I am the best.
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  Speaker 10: Don't clap for that.
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  Speaker 6: Most Americans own a couple golf courses and have been
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  Speaker 6: the club champion a couple times. So it's just weird
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  Speaker 6: to have a president who doesn't own a bunch of
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  Speaker 6: golf courses.
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  Speaker 1: It's not relatable for people.
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  Speaker 9: Definitely.
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  Speaker 1: Let's keep rolling.
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  Speaker 14: Proverbs 28 reads, the wicked flee, though no one pursues,
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  Speaker 14: but the righteous are as bold as a lion. And
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  Speaker 14: that truly epitomizes Donald Trump. He is a lion.
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  Speaker 9: On Saturday, the devil came to Pennsylvania holding a rifle.
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  Speaker 9: but an American lion got back up on his feet,
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  Speaker 9: and he roared!
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  Speaker 1: Okay, stop. What are we doing here? This is a
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: job about sending Medicare checks and, like, paving fucking roads.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: American lion. What are we talking about? Love it. As
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Tim Scott's number one supporter, do you have anything to
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: say here? Yeah, did you work on that speech? Oh,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: you've never been disappointed by someone you thought was great
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: like Tim Scott before?
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Poor Tim Scott's still doing this.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: He doesn't really get considered for VP. What? this whole thing.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: He's still there. He's roaring at the convention.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: He is roaring.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: He's roaring for Donald Trump. He's so extra.
• 19:57
  Speaker 9: Brutal.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He got engaged. At least he'll have time to
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: focus on planning the wedding.
• 20:07
  Speaker 9: True.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll be very interested in picking out the
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: invitations and the flowers and things and all the other
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: fun parts of planning a wedding when you get engaged
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: the Monday before you endorse. Let's keep rolling.
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: We cannot know what the future holds, but we know
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: damn sure who holds the future in his hands. Because
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: God is not finished with him yet.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Server just came up to God's table and said, are
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: you finished with that yet? God said, yeah, I'm still
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: going to nibble.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I just.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: God was not finished with Sarah Huckabee Sanders, apparently, either.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, look, don't know if there's a new Donald Trump,
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: but there was definitely a new Sarah Huckabee Sanders on
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: that stage. And also, I mean, you know, hey, the
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: future looks very huge when you see it in his
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: two little hands on the stage.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: His tiny little hands. It's, um, I don't, the God
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: isn't finished with him yet thing, it's like, okay, like,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: God isn't finished with Putin yet either, I guess, by
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: the same standard, or people that spit their gum in urinals,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: even though there's a garbage can right there, you know,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: somebody's got to clean it up.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: God is still working on me. I mean, hey, who
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: among us?
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Roll it.
• 21:29
  Speaker 15: Isn't just an American entrepreneur... He became a folk hero.
• 21:34
  Speaker 15: Celebrities and sports stars wanted to be seen with him.
• 21:38
  Speaker 15: Politicians sought his approval.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop.
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: Donald Trump is the most approval-craving person in the entire universe.
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: I know.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: This is somebody who.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: There's all this reporting about how he would give donations
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: to politicians totally for access so he could be around them.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: He was constantly trying to buddy up to celebrities.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: He hosted a show where failed celebrities would come and
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: try to supplicate. This is his entire thing. And all
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: the real celebrities hate him. But what about.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Hannibal Lecter, though?
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: How does Hannibal Lecter feel?
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: The late, great Hannibal Lecter. It's full of love.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Just checking.
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I just wonder whether he wrote the script for this video.
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: No doubt.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: You can tell. You can tell. He hand-selected the photos.
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: The guy didn't look at the federal budget one time
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: in four years, but he picked out the photo of
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: Mike Tyson individually for this.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: They had to.
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: Digitally retouch to remove the Sharpie before they put it
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: into the video.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a funny thing because this is the
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: story he tells in his own mind. This is the
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: vision he had for what it meant for Donald Trump
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: to be in New York, a folk hero, you know,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: like the kind of folk hero we all remember learning
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: about growing up, the kinds that become famous for cheating
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: on their wives and it being in page six. Like
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Paul Bunyan, right? Any final thoughts? And that's okay, stop.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: When we come back, Tommy sits down with Senator Tammy Baldwin.
• 23:35
  Speaker 11: I am thrilled to welcome to the show tonight, from
• 23:38
  Speaker 11: the great state of Wisconsin, your Senator, Tammy Baldwin.
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: All right.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Good to see you. Thank you.
• 24:02
  Speaker 16: It's great to see you. Thanks for being here.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: It's great to be here.
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: It's great to be out of Milwaukee.
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 24:08
  Speaker 16: I was doing a few events around the periphery just
• 24:12
  Speaker 16: to draw some attention away.
• 24:14
  Speaker 10: Yeah, we were there too. It was weird.
• 24:17
  Speaker 11: So we were talking with an elected official in Milwaukee
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: earlier this week who was genuinely in awe and maybe
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: a little jealous of your ability to to win elections
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: in Wisconsin, but also win by bigger margins than any
• 24:33
  Speaker 11: other statewide official. In 2012, you beat Tommy Thompson, who
• 24:42
  Speaker 11: was governor, who was HHS.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Secretary, with 51.4% of the vote. And then in 2018,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you were reelected with 55.4% of the vote. Yeah, clap
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: for that.
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: That's a huge margin, especially in a state where we're
• 25:02
  Speaker 11: all used to, you know.
• 25:04
  Speaker 16: One percent.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: One vote.
• 25:05
  Speaker 11: Counting thousands of votes by the end. Race within margins.
• 25:08
  Speaker 11: What's the secret sauce? How are you outpacing everybody else?
• 25:12
  Speaker 11: And can you tell Joe Biden about it?
• 25:17
  Speaker 16: So, secret sauce is travel everywhere. And don't just go
• 25:22
  Speaker 16: to blue areas. Go to red areas and purple areas.
• 25:27
  Speaker 16: Go to rural areas, suburban areas, and listen. One of
• 25:32
  Speaker 16: the most important things that somebody who's serving the public
• 25:37
  Speaker 16: needs to do. And frankly, I listen and I hear
• 25:41
  Speaker 16: what people are challenged by, what they're struggling with, what
• 25:44
  Speaker 16: they're hopeful for, and take that back and it informs
• 25:48
  Speaker 16: what I do. But there is no substitute for getting
• 25:53
  Speaker 16: out there. I love the people of this state. hardworking,
• 26:00
  Speaker 16: decent people. And to hear, whether it's Donald Trump or
• 26:05
  Speaker 16: my opponent, Eric Hovde, speak insulting folks, it's very clear
• 26:11
  Speaker 16: that he's more familiar with the boardroom or the yacht
• 26:15
  Speaker 16: than he is with hardworking Wisconsinites.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you about that, Goober, in a minute.
• 26:25
  Speaker 11: But there have been some recent polls that show you
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: running several points ahead of President Biden in the state.
• 26:32
  Speaker 11: Just wondering why you think that is.
• 26:34
  Speaker 16: You know, I think that it is about showing up
• 26:39
  Speaker 16: and exactly what I just said in answer to your
• 26:41
  Speaker 16: last question. I'm a known quantity. I have gotten out
• 26:48
  Speaker 16: there and fight for our farmers, fight for our natural resources,
• 26:52
  Speaker 16: fight to bring jobs back. And we make things in
• 26:57
  Speaker 16: the state of Wisconsin. And my Buy America rules are
• 27:02
  Speaker 16: bringing new jobs back to Wisconsin. So, you know, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 16: it's the chance to really get to know my state
• 27:14
  Speaker 16: and the people. And I think that accounts for it.
• 27:17
  Speaker 16: But I also worry, I mean, I think in this
• 27:20
  Speaker 16: particular year, I had ticket splitters in 2018. I'm not
• 27:26
  Speaker 16: sure there's going to be as many this time around.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Why is that? I don't know.
• 27:32
  Speaker 16: I have met a few Trump-Tammy voters in my time.
• 27:36
  Speaker 10: What are they like?
• 27:38
  Speaker 16: Well, I'll give you an example. I was visiting Nina Foundry.
• 27:46
  Speaker 16: For those of you who travel, you always look down
• 27:48
  Speaker 16: at the manhole covers.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, that was made in Wisconsin.
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: Yay.
• 27:52
  Speaker 16: And I was visiting right before my last election. And
• 28:00
  Speaker 16: they were showing me how they make things. And the
• 28:02
  Speaker 16: guy who brings the molten metal and operates the machinery
• 28:08
  Speaker 16: to pour it into the molds, He started the conversation
• 28:12
  Speaker 16: by like, why do you keep picking on my guy, Trump?
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: What?
• 28:16
  Speaker 16: Why do you keep picking on my guy, Trump? Well,
• 28:19
  Speaker 16: maybe he deserves it. The guy didn't even crack a smile.
• 28:23
  Speaker 16: He shows me what he does. And after I moved on,
• 28:25
  Speaker 16: a staffer went to engage him and said, okay, you're
• 28:28
  Speaker 16: a big Trump supporter. What do you think of Tammy Baldwin?
• 28:31
  Speaker 16: And he stopped and he said, look what I make.
• 28:35
  Speaker 16: I make manhole covers and things for our infrastructure. If
• 28:38
  Speaker 16: it weren't for Buy America rules, I wouldn't have a job,
• 28:41
  Speaker 16: and Nina Foundry might not even be in Wisconsin. Of
• 28:46
  Speaker 16: course I'm voting for her. So that's... I also have
• 28:51
  Speaker 16: a couple of folks who work hard as dairy farmers
• 28:58
  Speaker 16: and know that I've gone to bat for them. And
• 29:00
  Speaker 16: I remember one guy with a big Trump bumper sticker
• 29:03
  Speaker 16: on his pickup truck, but he's definitely a strong supporter.
• 29:06
  Speaker 16: I'd like him to put a Baldwin bumper sticker next
• 29:09
  Speaker 16: to that. I'm not sure what signal that would send,
• 29:14
  Speaker 16: but I think I do worry in this particular race
• 29:18
  Speaker 16: that we have become hardened in our divides, and so
• 29:26
  Speaker 16: we're working to earn every vote. Trump last night said
• 29:30
  Speaker 16: he was going to buy every vote. My opponent looks
• 29:32
  Speaker 16: like he's trying to do that, but I'm working really
• 29:35
  Speaker 16: hard to earn every vote.
• 29:40
  Speaker 11: Speaking of divides, I mean, can you win statewide in
• 29:44
  Speaker 11: Wisconsin if you are lactose intolerant?
• 29:48
  Speaker 16: You know, I wouldn't brag about it, but you could
• 29:50
  Speaker 16: probably still tell.
• 29:51
  Speaker 10: Just leave it out?
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 29:53
  Speaker 10: It's a good tip for Lovett if he moves here.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Oh, no.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I love milk.
• 29:56
  Speaker 16: Cheese curds?
• 29:57
  Speaker 10: Have you had cheese curds? So we had two different
• 29:59
  Speaker 10: kinds of cheese curds.
• 30:00
  Speaker 11: Deep fried and fresh. One of them were like pancake-y almost,
• 30:04
  Speaker 11: with syrup and powdered sugar on them.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Really? I didn't make them.
• 30:11
  Speaker 16: I like them fresh and squeaky.
• 30:13
  Speaker 11: Yeah, we had some squeaky ones too. God, I'm going
• 30:16
  Speaker 11: to get run out of this place. All right, now
• 30:20
  Speaker 11: for the annoying questions. So ever since the debate, the
• 30:23
  Speaker 11: Democratic Party has had this roiling debate conversation about whether
• 30:26
  Speaker 11: President Biden should step aside or and let, you know,
• 30:29
  Speaker 11: Vice President Harris or somebody else run against Donald Trump.
• 30:33
  Speaker 11: As of Friday evening, when we're recording this, four U.S. senators,
• 30:38
  Speaker 11: four of your colleagues have asked President Biden to step down,
• 30:41
  Speaker 11: along with a couple dozen members of Congress. Do you
• 30:44
  Speaker 11: think President Biden should step aside?
• 30:47
  Speaker 16: Look, as I travel, I have had countless conversations now
• 30:51
  Speaker 16: of people coming up to me and saying, that they're
• 30:55
  Speaker 16: very worried about the top of the ticket. And these
• 30:58
  Speaker 16: are legitimate concerns. And it's been my job, I feel,
• 31:02
  Speaker 16: to convey it in no uncertain terms to the White
• 31:05
  Speaker 16: House and the campaign. And I have been doing that. Ultimately,
• 31:11
  Speaker 16: it is.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 31:16
  Speaker 16: Ultimately, it is the choice for Joe Biden to make.
• 31:22
  Speaker 16: And I.
• 31:24
  Speaker 16: I hope they are taking and weighing very seriously the
• 31:28
  Speaker 16: input that we're providing. Uh, but in the end, whatever
• 31:32
  Speaker 16: the decision I am for the democratic ticket from the
• 31:35
  Speaker 16: very bottom to the very top.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Um, I'm look, I am totally where you are.
• 31:46
  Speaker 11: If Joe Biden is the nominee, I will be do
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: everything I can to support him. Um, I'm so glad
• 31:52
  Speaker 11: to hear that you're conveying these concerns because they do
• 31:55
  Speaker 11: feel widespread.
• 31:56
  Speaker 10: I don't think this is an elite problem.
• 31:58
  Speaker 11: And I'm just wondering if you feel like the White
• 32:01
  Speaker 11: House is listening because this is, of course, Joe Biden's decision.
• 32:05
  Speaker 11: It's a very human, personal decision, right? I mean, this
• 32:08
  Speaker 11: is his life's work and purpose. And saying, I no
• 32:11
  Speaker 11: longer get to do that would be unbelievably painful. But ultimately,
• 32:15
  Speaker 11: he's just a citizen.
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: We're all citizens. We all own this together.
• 32:19
  Speaker 11: And I just worry a little bit whether the messages
• 32:22
  Speaker 11: you're conveying from constituents are getting to the top.
• 32:26
  Speaker 16: Yeah, well, I know there's also been face-to-face discussions with
• 32:31
  Speaker 16: a number of my colleagues and President Biden, but I
• 32:37
  Speaker 16: have to trust that when I convey what I've been hearing,
• 32:41
  Speaker 16: that it is going directly to him. That's what I
• 32:43
  Speaker 16: was promised, and I hope that is the case.
• 32:47
  Speaker 11: So I live in Los Angeles. Your opponent is Eric
• 32:51
  Speaker 11: Hovde is basically my neighbor. He's down the road in
• 32:56
  Speaker 11: Laguna Beach, which is a hell of a lot closer
• 32:58
  Speaker 11: than Madison, Wisconsin. So I saw that he also has
• 33:02
  Speaker 11: a house in Washington, D.C. that I believe he gifted
• 33:05
  Speaker 11: to his brother.
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 33:07
  Speaker 10: As one does.
• 33:10
  Speaker 16: For 24 years, he ran a hedge fund in Washington, D.C.
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: Oh.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: And then.
• 33:14
  Speaker 16: came back and ran for Senate in 2012, and now
• 33:18
  Speaker 16: he owns a $ 3 billion bank.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Salt of the Earth.
• 33:24
  Speaker 16: And lives in Orange County, California.
• 33:28
  Speaker 11: $ 7 million house. This is a sincere question. Why is
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: a bank owner from California running for Senate in Wisconsin?
• 33:38
  Speaker 16: That is a question for the voters, right?
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Like, where did this guy come from?
• 33:43
  Speaker 16: And as I was saying, I just feel when I
• 33:47
  Speaker 16: hear what he says that he doesn't get us, that
• 33:50
  Speaker 16: he doesn't understand the hardworking folks that I have the
• 33:56
  Speaker 16: honor of representing. And he talks down to folks. He
• 34:00
  Speaker 16: said that seniors in nursing homes shouldn't be.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Able to vote.
• 34:06
  Speaker 16: He disparages single moms. He calls farmers lazy.
• 34:13
  Speaker 10: In Wisconsin?
• 34:14
  Speaker 16: In Wisconsin.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Okay. All right.
• 34:17
  Speaker 16: I mean, you can't look down to the people that
• 34:21
  Speaker 16: you're seeking to represent. And I hope people really listen
• 34:28
  Speaker 16: and understand. You know, he seems much more conversant in
• 34:32
  Speaker 16: the boardroom than he does visiting a family farm or
• 34:37
  Speaker 16: a factory here in the state of Wisconsin.
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: Ugh.
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: Carpetbagging just seems so awkward, you know? You just gotta
• 34:49
  Speaker 11: pretend you know.
• 34:50
  Speaker 16: And it seems increasingly frequent these days.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a frequent thing.
• 34:52
  Speaker 16: I mean, it's amazing to me.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Bizarre.
• 34:55
  Speaker 11: I saw a recent interview with former governor Scott Walker.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I think it was at the RNC.
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: He was asked by a local Green Bay TV station
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: about Hovde's residency issues. And in his answer, in the
• 35:11
  Speaker 11: course of like a minute and 20 seconds, he got
• 35:14
  Speaker 11: to a place where he suggested that criticism of Hovde's
• 35:17
  Speaker 11: residency was the kind of extreme rhetoric that led to
• 35:21
  Speaker 11: the 2017 shooting of Congressman Steve Scalise and the assassination
• 35:26
  Speaker 11: attempt on Donald Trump. And my question is, what the
• 35:30
  Speaker 11: hell is Scott Walker talking about?
• 35:33
  Speaker 16: I want to say, okay, stop.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: Oh, my.
• 35:44
  Speaker 16: Oh my, there was this day a few weeks back
• 35:48
  Speaker 16: where he was due to stop by the Oconto County
• 35:54
  Speaker 16: Republican Party for a meet and greet. He was a no-show.
• 35:58
  Speaker 16: I mean, he's on the billing for this. Come meet
• 36:00
  Speaker 16: Eric Hovde. Same day, a neighbor of his in California
• 36:05
  Speaker 16: snapped a picture of him on the beach, in Laguna Beach.
• 36:09
  Speaker 10: Come on, man.
• 36:10
  Speaker 16: I mean, really.
• 36:11
  Speaker 10: What are you doing?
• 36:11
  Speaker 16: I mean, really.
• 36:12
  Speaker 10: Unbelievable.
• 36:13
  Speaker 11: Turning back to some Senate business, you called on your
• 36:16
  Speaker 11: Senate colleague, Democratic colleague, Bob Menendez, to resign after he
• 36:20
  Speaker 11: was found guilty.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, applause for that.
• 36:23
  Speaker 11: He was found guilty on 16 charges, including bribery, extortion,
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: acting as a foreign agent. He had literal gold bars
• 36:29
  Speaker 11: in his house. You've also expressed willingness to expel Menendez
• 36:34
  Speaker 11: if he doesn't, if he won't leave. He said he's
• 36:38
  Speaker 11: not going to resign. He says he's going to appeal
• 36:40
  Speaker 11: the case. What happens next? What's the process for expelling
• 36:43
  Speaker 11: a U.S.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Senator?
• 36:44
  Speaker 16: Well, I've never gone through that process before. But it is,
• 36:52
  Speaker 16: you know, bring an expulsion resolution to the floor and
• 37:00
  Speaker 16: we'll vote on it. I think that the rule of
• 37:04
  Speaker 16: law matters. And When we look at the threat to
• 37:10
  Speaker 16: the rule of law posed by Donald Trump and the
• 37:14
  Speaker 16: plans that he has for the future, we have to
• 37:16
  Speaker 16: be very clear that regardless of whether this is a
• 37:19
  Speaker 16: Democrat or a Republican, that he's been convicted. I called
• 37:23
  Speaker 16: on him to resign after the charges because they were
• 37:26
  Speaker 16: so serious. But I certainly hope he resigns and we
• 37:31
  Speaker 16: don't have to expel him, but that's what we should do.
• 37:34
  Speaker 15: Agreed.
• 37:40
  Speaker 11: So the Dobbs decision that stripped away abortion access for
• 37:45
  Speaker 11: millions of women in this country upended politics nationally. But
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: we were talking earlier before the show about how it
• 37:52
  Speaker 11: was especially impactful in Wisconsin. I was hoping you could
• 37:55
  Speaker 11: explain to the audience what the impact of Dobbs has
• 37:59
  Speaker 11: been and whether this was the only thing we talked
• 38:02
  Speaker 11: about going into the 2022 midterms. There's been a lot
• 38:05
  Speaker 11: of noise out of D.C. that we discussed a minute ago.
• 38:08
  Speaker 11: But are you hearing about the issue as much when
• 38:10
  Speaker 11: you're at town hall meetings, on the doors, etc.
• 38:13
  Speaker 16: I am hearing about it a lot. First of all,
• 38:15
  Speaker 16: just the Dobbs decision stripped away the rights and freedoms
• 38:21
  Speaker 16: of half of America. And half of America now has
• 38:24
  Speaker 16: fewer rights and freedoms than their mothers and their grandmothers had.
• 38:29
  Speaker 16: And in Wisconsin, you know, when that happened, the law
• 38:34
  Speaker 16: reverted to state law. In our state, we have a
• 38:39
  Speaker 16: criminal statute passed in 1849, one year after statehood, that
• 38:46
  Speaker 16: was widely perceived as a criminal abortion ban. Services stopped
• 38:51
  Speaker 16: in this state the moment that decision came out. And
• 38:56
  Speaker 16: I have heard harrowing stories of what happened to people
• 39:02
  Speaker 16: during that time. To be told that we can't treat you,
• 39:07
  Speaker 16: a woman who I met in Eau Claire, her water
• 39:12
  Speaker 16: broke at 17 weeks. And she went in to her doctor,
• 39:18
  Speaker 16: and he said, I can't do anything. They basically have
• 39:21
  Speaker 16: lawyers practicing medicine, like, no, no, no, you might be
• 39:25
  Speaker 16: prosecuted if you do anything. So they sent her home,
• 39:28
  Speaker 16: and they didn't provide her with care. until she was
• 39:33
  Speaker 16: at risk of sepsis and had a fever of 101.
• 39:36
  Speaker 16: That should not be in America. This is health care.
• 39:42
  Speaker 16: You can't say that half of the population has no
• 39:45
  Speaker 16: access to comprehensive health care. Now, since that time, a
• 39:56
  Speaker 16: trial court judge has ruled that that 1849 statute is
• 40:03
  Speaker 16: unconstitutional and not intended to serve this, to restrict access.
• 40:12
  Speaker 16: And so now we have three counties with Planned Parenthood
• 40:16
  Speaker 16: clinics that have reopened. Dane County, Milwaukee, and Sheboygan. But
• 40:22
  Speaker 16: we have 69 counties that don't have services, and we've
• 40:27
  Speaker 16: got to change that. I'm proud to be the lead
• 40:29
  Speaker 16: sponsor of the Women's Health Protection Act, which would codify Roe.
• 40:36
  Speaker 16: And it would take the necessary additional step of telling
• 40:43
  Speaker 16: states like Wisconsin and Texas and Florida that you can't
• 40:46
  Speaker 16: pass laws at the state level that make it impossible
• 40:50
  Speaker 16: to access those rights. So we have to pass that.
• 40:56
  Speaker 10: Amen.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Final question for you.
• 41:01
  Speaker 11: So we are constantly trying to figure out what issues
• 41:04
  Speaker 11: do voters care about? We're looking at polls. You're looking
• 41:07
  Speaker 11: at focus groups. You're literally on the road, doing town
• 41:10
  Speaker 11: hall meetings, knocking on doors, talking to people. What do
• 41:13
  Speaker 11: you hear about the most? And do you have any
• 41:16
  Speaker 11: advice for Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or anybody at
• 41:19
  Speaker 11: the top of the ticket about how to refocus the
• 41:23
  Speaker 11: conversation on the things that you're hearing about in Wisconsin
• 41:26
  Speaker 11: and not whatever else is getting media attention.
• 41:30
  Speaker 16: Yeah. So the things I hear about the high cost
• 41:34
  Speaker 16: of things, but we have such a story to tell
• 41:38
  Speaker 16: about lowering the cost of prescription drugs and asthma inhalers
• 41:42
  Speaker 16: and insulin and fighting so hard to make healthcare accessible
• 41:48
  Speaker 16: to all I hear a lot about the fact that
• 41:55
  Speaker 16: we have for the first time, or I shouldn't say
• 41:57
  Speaker 16: the first time, but as a country seen rights and
• 42:00
  Speaker 16: freedoms that were fought for be taken away. I think
• 42:06
  Speaker 16: all of us think of America as a place where
• 42:09
  Speaker 16: we advance our state motto forward. And to see that
• 42:15
  Speaker 16: rights and freedoms being taken away is shocking. And we
• 42:19
  Speaker 16: don't we're not just talking about right to access abortion.
• 42:24
  Speaker 16: We're talking about ways in which accessing the ballot box
• 42:29
  Speaker 16: is becoming more difficult. The right to unionize and organize
• 42:36
  Speaker 16: to collectively bargain is being blocked. And so all of
• 42:40
  Speaker 16: these rights and freedoms are more constrained these days, and
• 42:46
  Speaker 16: people want their rights and freedoms back. And they're voting
• 42:49
  Speaker 16: about that. They're very fearful that we could lose our
• 42:53
  Speaker 16: democracy in this election. And so that's what I'm hearing.
• 43:00
  Speaker 16: But that's also what the democratic agenda is all about,
• 43:05
  Speaker 16: is making it possible for people to work hard, play
• 43:09
  Speaker 16: by the rules, and get ahead, and lead a fulfilling,
• 43:13
  Speaker 16: prosperous life.
• 43:15
  Speaker 9: Amen.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Last, last question.
• 43:20
  Speaker 11: How can people help you out?
• 43:24
  Speaker 10: Where should they go if they're listening at home, they
• 43:26
  Speaker 10: want to volunteer, they want to give?
• 43:28
  Speaker 16: Well, start with TammyBaldwin.com. Easy to remember. And there's so
• 43:33
  Speaker 16: many things people can do in terms of volunteering, in
• 43:38
  Speaker 16: terms of amplifying our message. Yeah, go and follow me
• 43:45
  Speaker 16: on social media. And when you see something that you
• 43:47
  Speaker 16: think your friends might care about, Spread the word.
• 43:50
  Speaker 10: Good advice.
• 43:51
  Speaker 16: And maybe occasionally look at what he's saying on his website.
• 43:55
  Speaker 16: I don't do that very much. But just sort of, wow,
• 43:58
  Speaker 16: this is what we're up against. certainly people can make donations.
• 44:02
  Speaker 16: I'm running, uh, you know, it's a multimillionaire who's running
• 44:05
  Speaker 16: against me. He's put $ 13 million of his own wealth
• 44:08
  Speaker 16: into the campaign. His brother formed a super PAC cause
• 44:12
  Speaker 16: he didn't want to be, uh, held back by the limits.
• 44:16
  Speaker 16: And so he's put $ 2 million into super PAC. Oh
• 44:19
  Speaker 16: my gosh.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: So yeah.
• 44:21
  Speaker 16: Uh, but calling doors, all of those things, yard signs,
• 44:25
  Speaker 16: you know, there's all this internal discussion in, uh, in politics, like,
• 44:31
  Speaker 16: lawn signs don't vote. Visibility matters these days. And, you know,
• 44:37
  Speaker 16: there's people who haven't taken their Trump signs down yet.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: They just crossed out Pence.
• 44:44
  Speaker 16: We need to have a lot of visibility, especially in
• 44:48
  Speaker 16: those parts of the state where people need to know
• 44:52
  Speaker 16: their neighbors are sane voters, rational voters.
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: They need to see that.
• 45:00
  Speaker 11: Trump tried to cross out Pence for good, if you
• 45:03
  Speaker 11: know what I'm saying. Senator Baldwin, thank you so much
• 45:06
  Speaker 11: for being here.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: We're all rooting for you. Thank you so much.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you, Tom.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: And we're back.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about the Joe Biden of it all. Yesterday,
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: all the reporting made it seem like the president might
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: decide to get out of the race. Today, the Biden
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: campaign basically said not so fast. The president said he'll
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: be campaigning next week. In a statement, General Malley Dillon,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Biden's campaign chair, went on Mourning Joe, as one does,
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: to argue that they still have a path to win.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: The campaign sent out a similar memo. Meanwhile, another five
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: House Democrats And two senators, Martin Heinrich of New Mexico
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: and Sherrod Brown of Ohio, called on Biden to step aside.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: Even Chris Coons, the Delaware senator who's one of the
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: few people Biden is reportedly still talking to, said the
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: president is, quote, weighing who is the best candidate to
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: win in November.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: One member of Congress, one member.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Of Congress who's still riding with Biden is AOC, who
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: I think made a really honest, thoughtful argument last night
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: during an hour long live stream where she said this.
• 46:31
  Speaker 13: I just want people to at least come to their conclusions,
• 46:36
  Speaker 13: eyes wide open, regardless of what shakes out. We're going
• 46:45
  Speaker 13: to have to work harder than we've ever worked before.
• 46:49
  Speaker 13: Like if you're falling out of a coconut tree, God
• 46:52
  Speaker 13: bless you. If you're riding with the president, God bless.
• 47:00
  Speaker 13: I'm not an open convention person. I think that is crazy.
• 47:06
  Speaker 13: All you folks that are coconut pilled in the comments,
• 47:09
  Speaker 13: as you are identifying, buckle up.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: How many people know the coconut meme? All right. Maybe
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: you should explain it. Oh, how do I even explain it? What?
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: The coconut. Kamala Harris... Do you want to explain?
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: No.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Okay. Kamala Harris.
• 47:30
  Speaker 15: No.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I think I can do this.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris gave a speech at one point a couple
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: years ago where she said, do you think you just
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: fell out of a coconut tree? We exist in the
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: context of everything that has come before.
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 47:43
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 47:43
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 47:45
  Speaker 11: You're like, how can I explain this verbatim quote?
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: I was thinking in the context. And she laughed after
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: the coconut tree. And it's a very funny... She's correct.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: It's a good sociological analysis of the situation. But the
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: coconut tree... People who want Kamala Harris to be the
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: nominee have been putting coconut emojis all over Twitter and
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: their bio. This is all over TikTok. It's gone viral.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: It's like, It's a thing. It's a thing.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: They are unburdened by what has been.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: They are unburdened by what has been.
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Erin, I don't know if you caught all of AOC's
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: argument there, but what do you make of this whole mess?
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: We've been talking about it a lot.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Caught it all. Are you kidding?
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: I just stayed up for 90 minutes to watch Trump.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: I could not stay up for another hour to watch AOC.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Fair, fair.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: That's a lot.
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: But no, but I did catch some of it. And look,
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: I mean, I thought that what she really made a
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: good point about that I thought was good was talking
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: about how the conversation focusing on the donors instead of
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: the voters, right? And honestly, I think that that's probably
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: where President Joe Biden is, right? Like he's out there, well,
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: you know, pre-COVID, obviously, but he's out there.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: He's in Detroit.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: He's in North Carolina. He's in front of the voters
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: and the voters seem to be with him, right? They're
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: telling him, stay in the race. Don't drop out.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: He sees that. He's in the bubble. He's thinking, if
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: the voters are with me, what is this conversation? I
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: can do it. I can still win. The voters are
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: still with me. I can still do it.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: I think that that's a legitimate part of this argument
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: that as the party is still considering what to do,
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: as he is still trying to make that decision, and
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: it is, you know, still ultimately his decision, right? You know,
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: it comes down to, for him, I think a lot
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: of this calculation is, you know, what the voters say,
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: because the voters prove people.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Wrong in 2020, right? Maybe they prove people wrong again.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Lovett, what did you make of AOC's argument about the
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: risks of an open convention?
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about this a couple weeks ago
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: on Pod Save America, and I was sort of... I'm
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: not sure. I feel uncertain. I feel like anyone who
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: has certainty is probably worth discounting, and she doesn't, right? She's,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I think, being... What's so great about this is she's
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: having the uncertainty that this moment requires. I have the
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: same concerns about it. I think the idea... You know,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: we just went through a whole thing about how we
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: did need to have a Zoom roll call in July
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: because some of these deadlines... are not that urgent. At
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: the same time, the idea that we're gonna have an
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: open convention and wrap that up in time to get
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: on all these ballots without legal challenges, I think that
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: is also like kind of, I think, too much to
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: hope for. The other piece of this too is the
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: closer we get to the convention and the less planning
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: and discussion we have about the actual practical way in
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: which we could do this, the less realistic it is
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: that we could do anything like that in a matter of,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: we are now, we were saying, we are one month
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: away from the convention. I also do think there's a
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: little bit of psychology in the idea of it's not Biden,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: it's not Kamala, it's someone else, because it gives you
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: the confidence of saying you don't have the liabilities of Biden,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: but you don't have the liabilities, there are no liabilities
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: in your imagined perfect candidate, whoever it might be. So
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: you get to skip over the reality that any person
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: we put up is a person. with the flaws and
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: challenges a person would bring. And so you get to
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: like compare Joe Biden to kind of like a miasma
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: of Whitmer and Shapiro and Mark Kelly and Raphael Warnock.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: And it looks pretty amazing because it's all of them
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: in one kind of Gundam.
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: But you also literally have a sitting vice president that
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: is sitting right there that has been mirroring this man
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: for three and a half years.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: So we're talking about sitting vice president versus designated survivor.
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: Don't know who that is. I mean, that could, you know,
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: that could be whoever. And again, with exactly a month
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: to go, like, I just don't know. Yeah, I really wonder,
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: you know, if we are talking about somebody else, why
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: are we talking about somebody else when. this person has
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: been training for the job and whoever else we're talking
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: about would have to be in training.
• 51:53
  Speaker 11: It's the same broken brain shit that breaks up every
• 51:55
  Speaker 11: relationship because you're like, I got this great person.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: But I don't know.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: I see the meme. I see the meme, Tommy. I
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: see it.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Tommy, you okay?
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: I'm good.
• 52:07
  Speaker 8: I think the important part of what AOC said is
• 52:10
  Speaker 8: we all have to approach this with a lot of humility.
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: This is unprecedented. We don't know what's going to happen.
• 52:17
  Speaker 8: We don't know what the right answer is. Sticking with
• 52:19
  Speaker 8: Biden could be the right answer. Switching to Kamala could
• 52:21
  Speaker 8: be the right answer. Someone else could be the right answer.
• 52:24
  Speaker 8: It is totally unknown, and there's a huge amount of risk.
• 52:26
  Speaker 8: And so it's just this idea that there is exact
• 52:29
  Speaker 8: one right answer that guarantees victory is a fallacy.
• 52:32
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: I do think it's worth playing out to the open
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: convention point, like, what happens if, say, this week, Biden
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: decides to step aside?
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: He.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: ideally announces this with Kamala Harris by his side. Either
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: he endorses her or he says something very nice about her,
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: whatever it may be. She is the sitting vice president.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: If I was advising Kamala Harris, I would think it
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: would be best for her if she said, yeah, of course,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: we have a month to the convention. I would like
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: to compete with anyone who wants to compete with me.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: We're the Democratic Party. This is democracy. Let's do this.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: And then Shortly after that, there's only a couple weeks,
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: she starts getting a bunch of endorsements, right? The whole
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: party starts, people will go pretty fast. And then at
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: that point, who's going to really challenge her with four
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: weeks to go? She's the sitting vice president. She probably
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: just got the endorsement of Joe Biden. Now she's picking
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: up steam. But the benefit of at least saying, like,
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: I'm open to challengers is now she actually wins this.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: And she feels the sense of, like, real legitimacy from
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: going through a process. And everyone else looks at it
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: and is like, you know what? There was an open process.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: No one wanted to challenge her. A bunch of the
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: party just coalesced around her, which I think would absolutely
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: happen because she'd be the overwhelming frontrunner. And then we
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: wrap this thing up and we go to the convention and.
• 53:55
  Speaker 8: Work our asses off. There is this conspiracy theory. There
• 54:04
  Speaker 8: are two conspiracy theories going around. One is that some
• 54:07
  Speaker 8: group of party poobahs would just pass over Kamala Harris.
• 54:10
  Speaker 8: And the other one is that the party that's those
• 54:12
  Speaker 8: same party people will rig it for Kamala Harris.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing.
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: The moment Joe Biden says he is not running for
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: the nomination of the Democratic Party, all of the delegates
• 54:22
  Speaker 8: are unpledged.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: They can vote for anyone they want. They are unburdened
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: by what was. They are unburdened, yes.
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: They might have fallen out of a coconut tree. And
• 54:30
  Speaker 8: so Kamala Harris is going to have to earn their votes.
• 54:34
  Speaker 8: If someone else wants to run, that could be someone...
• 54:36
  Speaker 8: of great stature, like one of the governors we're talking about,
• 54:39
  Speaker 8: or a senator we're talking about, or it could just
• 54:40
  Speaker 8: be literally anyone can seek the votes of that convention.
• 54:45
  Speaker 8: And so there has to be, by DNC rules, an
• 54:49
  Speaker 8: open process. Whether someone will challenge or not is an
• 54:51
  Speaker 8: open question, and I can see a lot of arguments
• 54:53
  Speaker 8: why people wouldn't do that, but it is an open
• 54:55
  Speaker 8: process for the majority of those delegates.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: But like, I mean, look, I hear what you're saying.
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: But we also have to admit that this country is
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: burdened by what has been, right? We have never elected
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: a woman to be president of the United States, so sure,
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: she may be the most qualified, and if she's the
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: most qualified, then she comes out on top at the
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: end of an open process. Wow, again, we're leapfrogging over
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: the sitting vice president to choose somebody else. I think
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: we've seen kind of what happens when the person that
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: is the most qualified, if they are a woman, That
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: doesn't always work out, right? That doesn't always work out.
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: We've got to be honest about that. So, you know,
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: I don't know. You would like to think that it
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: should be about, you know, maybe the person's leadership, you know,
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: maybe the person's resume, maybe the person's track record. But,
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: you know, if we're talking about that person being a woman,
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: I think it is a different calculation, and you have
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: to acknowledge that.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I also do think, like, I think, yes. I
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: think we're talking about two scenarios. In both of them,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: she says, I am... I am seeking the nomination. I
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: hope to earn the support of the delegates. In one scenario,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: no one serious challenges her. And this is sort of
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: a moot point. And she begins the campaign against Trump immediately.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: And by the way, in that scenario, the reason no
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: one challenges her is because they think her political position
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: is so strong that.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I could not win. And that benefits her. That's my argument.
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: And the other is that there is a serious challenge.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: And then I actually do think this is an argument
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: we're going to have. And I think she starts out
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: ahead in that argument. And I think now whether or
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: not you want that, you know, I... My view is,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: is it worth having that fight? Do we want to
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: just hit the ground running right away with Kamala running
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: hard against Trump and no one else? Or do we
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: want to have that fight where she comes out ahead
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: and proves that she's the leader of this party by
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: keeping what she kills? I don't know. Wow. And nobody
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: remembers the movie Triple X? That's crazy. Oh, not Triple X.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: He's in it. I don't know what you're talking about.
• 56:58
  Speaker 8: I just think the odds that if there is a process,
• 57:00
  Speaker 8: she is by far the overwhelming favorite.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Yep. She's the best known.
• 57:04
  Speaker 8: The polls show that she is the choice of the
• 57:06
  Speaker 8: Democratic primary voters who don't have a voice here.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 57:09
  Speaker 8: And also just from the delegates winning an open convention,
• 57:12
  Speaker 8: which is something we have not had to do for many,
• 57:14
  Speaker 8: many years, is about math. And she also happens to
• 57:18
  Speaker 8: be not just vice president, but the vice president from California.
• 57:20
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: The largest Democratic delegation. And so she.
• 57:24
  Speaker 8: I would be shocked if someone of great consequence decided
• 57:27
  Speaker 8: to run against her in this process. And I would
• 57:29
  Speaker 8: be even more shocked if she did not beat that
• 57:32
  Speaker 8: person who chose to run against her in that process.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: And P.S., this is a non-starter for black women.
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: I mean, I was just at Essence, and these black
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: women were like, what are we talking about?
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: This is not real. Black women, most loyal, base of
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: the Democratic Party. We know this, right? They're going to vote.
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: But like what you need is what the Democratic Party
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: needs is black women who are going to not only vote,
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: but take their church members, their household, their sorority, whoever else.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: They can take to the poll.
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: How I mean, and voter enthusiasm energy is a thing
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: like it is it is a thing this cycle. And,
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: you know, if you don't have black women on board
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: because you threw the black woman overboard.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Like you got a problem.
• 58:13
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:19
  Speaker 11: God only knows what the right answer is. The only
• 58:21
  Speaker 11: thing I want to say is I watched that whole
• 58:24
  Speaker 11: live earlier today and I just, it was so nice.
• 58:27
  Speaker 11: I actually don't agree with her conclusion. I didn't agree
• 58:30
  Speaker 11: with a lot of the analysis, but hearing a member
• 58:32
  Speaker 11: of Congress lay it all out, honestly, like warts and
• 58:36
  Speaker 11: all and be like, here's the process. Here's what I'm hearing.
• 58:40
  Speaker 11: Here's why this whole process is fucked up and bad.
• 58:42
  Speaker 11: It's like, thank you. Thank you for respecting the intelligence
• 58:45
  Speaker 11: of the people watching this, your constituents and, the Democratic Party,
• 58:49
  Speaker 11: and just talking it out. That's such a better path
• 58:53
  Speaker 11: than hiding or giving background quotes to Axios or whatever
• 58:58
  Speaker 11: others are doing.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: And I do want to make two quick points. It
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: is Chronicles of Riddick starring Vin Diesel. That's a good movie.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: We're back on track, people.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: I'm glad we circled back to that. That's the sequel, right?
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Fact check. Pitch Black is the original. Anyway, that was
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: the most important point that I wanted to make about that.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: So we are getting ahead of ourselves. Tommy, the reporting
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: today is that they're No decision has been made that
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Biden is still weighing this decision.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: And headed back to the campaign trail.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Although it was interesting. The statement said, we'll be back
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: on the campaign trail next week. We'll be talking about it.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: It was very, I don't know. You can read into it.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: But the campaign is making it seem like full speed ahead.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: They had Jen out on Morning Joe. He's going to
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: the campaign trail. What do you think is going on
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: there with the, like, no decision, but the campaign looks
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: like it's moving full speed ahead?
• 59:55
  Speaker 11: Jenna Malley-Dillon, the campaign manager on Morning Joe, Yeah, I mean, look,
• 59:58
  Speaker 11: they have no choice but to proceed ahead, right? Because
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 11: if you show any daylight, if there's any weakness, that
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 11: leads to more members of Congress saying like, oh, I
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 11: see where this train is going. Let's get in front
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 11: of it, call it a parade. It leads to the
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 11: donors cutting off funds. It leads to another terrible news cycle.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 11: So they're just stuck. And I think the reality is
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 11: very few people have any real information. It's like Joe Biden,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 11: Jill Biden, a couple of close family members, one or
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 11: two staffers, that are kind of cloistered off.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Israeli intelligence.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 11: Israeli intelligence. Maybe the Russians, maybe the Chinese. The French
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 11: have some good collection.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: So they're going to figure it out.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 11: And I guess moments like this is when I have
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 11: so much empathy for the Biden team, because his campaign
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 11: and his White House is really good. They have some
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 11: of the smartest, most effective, great people in the Democratic Party.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: We know them.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 11: They are our friends. They were pissed at us. We
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 11: feel bad about that. But they are in an impossible position.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 11: They are trying to figure out a path forward when
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 11: no one knows what that path is. So they're going
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 11: to be professionals. They're going to do their jobs. They're
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 11: going to keep doing what it takes to win. And
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 11: then Joe Biden's going to make a decision.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: Which brings me to, Dan, I saved the easy question
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: for you. It is getting pretty late. This has now
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: been going on for three weeks. More Democrats are expected
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: to come out next week. calling on Biden to step aside.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: If Biden stays, digs in, congressional Democrats stay dug in.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Like, what happens?
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: We're in a standoff here? We've got four weeks to
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: the convention.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 8: Ultimately, this is Joe Biden's decision, which he claims to
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 8: have made. And he keeps saying he's made it, and
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 8: no one keeps listening to him.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Are you sure? Are you sure? I mean, we keep
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: looking for something that is not there. Like, there has never.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 8: yet been real solid reporting that he himself is open
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 8: to changing his mind. There's reporting that people around him
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 8: have recognized the inevitability of the decision. There's been reporting
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 8: that members of his family have at least considered if
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 8: he were to make a decision, how he might decide,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 8: announce that decision, but nothing that Joe Biden himself has done.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 8: We've gotten detailed readouts from a lot of phone calls
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 8: that have been happening with President Biden over the last week.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 8: And the reason we're getting those detailed readouts is because
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 8: in those phone calls, Joe Biden has at no point
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 8: evinced any doubt about it.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: But it is his decision.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 8: So he can do this if he wants to do it,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 8: and no one can stop him. I do, however, believe
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 8: we have now crossed the Rubicon where it is not
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 8: possible to run an effective campaign under these circumstances. The
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 8: donors have left. They have shifted their money to the
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 8: House and the Senate because they believe that Joe Biden
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 8: is unlikely to win, and they want to do everything
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 8: they possibly can to set up a bulwark against complete
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 8: MAGA control of our government, and that would be in
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 8: the House or the Senate. And just imagine how this
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 8: campaign works if he.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Continues as we are here, right?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 8: He's gonna go to Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and put the
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 8: vulnerable senators and Senate candidates in those states in the
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 8: position every single day, during every trip, of deciding how
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 8: they're gonna respond to the president.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: That puts him in an impossible position.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 8: How do you run when most of the Democrats, including
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 8: the leaders, have indicated publicly or quasi-publicly that they don't
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 8: want you to run?
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Like, he can do it.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 8: And maybe there's a way that I cannot conjure in
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 8: my brain that that campaign can be successful. But it
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 8: feels to me like a very, very dangerous death spiral
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 8: that lends itself to a landslide Trump victory that brings
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 8: the House and the Senate with it. And so it
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 8: is his choice. And if they have a plan for
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 8: how to navigate these waters and to do it in
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 8: a way that Joe Biden can execute, they really have
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 8: to lay that out.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Because as we sit here today, I just can't see.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 8: And every day that we are not running a race
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 8: against Donald Trump is a day we will never, ever
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 8: get back. And if Kamala Harris is going to be
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 8: our nominee, we want her out there yesterday, not 10
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 8: days from now.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: And so.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: It's been a psychologically grueling week. We've got to bring
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Ben back out. Oh, let's bring Ben back out. Ben,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: you take my spot. I'm going to come over here.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: I remember how it all works. Hi, Ben.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 6: Hi, John.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: You at the beach earlier or something? Unbelievable. It's been
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: grueling watching the Republican National Convention. And there's something I
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: always turn to. For self-soothing, it's called dairy. Luckily, we're
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. Unfortunately, we're in Wisconsin for the RNC. So tonight,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: we must bridge the divide between our greatest love, Wisconsin,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: and its dairy. And something we dislike, the Republican Party.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: And we're going to do it all in a game
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: we're calling Cheese, Cheese, Cheese. Cheese, cheese, cheese. Don't prove
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: I'm right. Terrific.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: Can I just note that in Wisconsin, we are proud
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 6: that when the temperature goes above 40, we put on
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 6: our flip-flops.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: That's what we do in Wisconsin. A little esprit de...
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: You thought, okay. Coastal elite.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: You live your truth. Live your truth.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: It's true. I am a member of the coastal elite.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: But I eat.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Like a Wisconsinite with nothing to lose. All right. So
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: here's how it works. I'm going to divide you into teams.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: The teams will be Aaron and John versus Ben, Tommy,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: and Dan. I'm going to ask you Wisconsin trivia. Some
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: of it will be about dairy. Some of it will
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: be about Republicans. All right.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 10: They get Ben? We get Wickler.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: What the fuck?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 16: It's a ringer.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: It's a ringer. Don't panic, guys. We're going to be okay.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: I feel good about this. Ben, you're going to help
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: both teams. No, that's okay. No, Erin and I are
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: going to do it. We're going to win on our own.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: It seems like you're not happy with any option. Sounds
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: like a Democrat to me. All right. Let's start with Ben, Tommy,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: and Dan. Between 1895 and 1967, Wisconsin outlawed witch product,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: forcing residents to smuggle it in from across state lines
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: and A, cough syrup, B, margarine, C, root beer, or D, lube?
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: We'll take margarine. That is correct.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 13: Wow.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: The state banned the manufacture and sale of yellow margarine
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: to protect dairy farmers, and that ban remained in place
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: for 72 years. Aaron and John... What 1965 incident precipitated
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: the end of the margarine ban? A, a staunchly anti-margarine
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: state senator agreed to take a blind taste test of
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: margarine and butter and failed it. B, a deep-pocketed margarine
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: magnate funded a full renovation of the state capitol. C,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: a butter warehouse exploded. Or D, Rock Hudson appeared in
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: a sexy magazine ad, his naked torso slathered in margarine.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: It's like, maybe B?
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 16: A or B.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Found a friend.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Um, What was A? A was a staunchly anti-margarine state
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: senator agreed to a blind taste test. That's the right one. A. A.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 9: Subtle.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Subtle tip.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: We appreciate you. Was that your can?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Shout out to them. Who was that? You want us
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: to have fun up here or you want to just
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: be smart? Wow. A. You got it. We got this.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: GOP State Senator Gordon Roseleap failed a blind taste test.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: It later came out that his wife had been secretly
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: serving him margarine instead of butter for years.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: Damn.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: Sometimes to be your own people.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: Call is coming from inside the house.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Margarine. Yuck. All right. What percentage, this is for Ben, Dan,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: and Tommy, what percentage of Wisconsin milk is made into cheese?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: 50%, 75%, 25%, or 90%?
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: We're going big. We're going for 90%. Wow. Correct.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: This game is called Cheese, Cheese, Cheese.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 16: Cheese, Cheese, Cheese.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 13: Big.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: We're going for 90%. Wow. Correct.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 16: Wow.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: This game is called Cheese, Cheese, Cheese. Let's be real, people.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: I just want to point out that when you asked
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: that question, a hush fell over the crowd.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: It really did. You ask the question, people go, ooh.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: It's because people were worried, like, what if there's not
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: enough cheese? But it turns out there's enough cheese. 2.8
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: billion pounds of cheese a year. Yay, cheese. All right,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Aaron and John. How many varieties of cheese does Wisconsin produce?
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Is it A, 50, B, 100, C, 300, or D, 600?
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: How much cheese? C. Incorrect, it is D, 600. Wow,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: that's so... More than double the cheeses that the next
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: cheesiest state, California, produces.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: We don't talk about that.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: Those fags don't know shit about cheese. Sorry.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: Wow, guess I have to stick around. I have not
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: tried all the cheeses.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of cheese.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: Wow, I have work to do.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: What'd you say?
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Wow, what does that.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: You said I know about cheese. What does she know
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: about you? You said... Thank you. I feel... I feel seen.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 10: Uh.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Ben, Tommy, and Dan, true or false, Wisconsin has a
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: total of 10 festivals dedicated entirely to cheese. At least.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: At least. It might be false because it's too few.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. You know what that is, my friends?
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: Game theory. By the way, the best that we could
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: do is at least 13. Which is a little bit like, hey, Wisconsin,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: how many cheese festivals do you have? 13 that I
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: know of. All right. Moving on to Republican trivia. Deal
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: with it. Oh, it's the world. We exist in the context.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Aaron and John. On Tuesday, Rudy Giuliani did what on
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: camera at the RNC? Oh, he fell.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 9: He tripped.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he did. He blundered into a row of chairs.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: We have the clip. I don't think we should show this.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: This is not cheese related.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 16: Wow.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: It's a bummer. I regret this. I regret this. I
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: regret this. Is that like cheese fever? What does that
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: have to do with cheese? I shifted from schadenfreude to
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: just pure sadness on Rudy when he got overheard in
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: Mar-a-Lago saying that his life is a living nightmare. G's
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: in karma. All right, Ben, Tommy, and John. And Dan,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: I know your name. During a live interview from the
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: RNC floor with CNN, who said about Matt Gaetz he's
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: got an ethics complaint for paying a 17-year-old?
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 10: Kevin McCarthy.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: You got it. Let's skip the clip. We've all seen it.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: All right, we can show it. Nah, it's over. Play it.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Play it. And the other part you have is one
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: person who raised the issue, he's got an ethics complaint
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: about sleeping with a 17-year-old. So that's the way they
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: would go. So that's the biggest challenge we have. That
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: guy is bitter. Kevin McCarthy and Matt Gaetz, I like
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: that they have a hatred towards each other that isn't political.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: It's they truly hate each other on a deeply personal level.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: People respond to authenticity, you know? Yeah, they do.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: Maybe it wasn't all about unity after all.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: I forgot about that.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right. There. John and Aaron, this year an English
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: bulldog stole the hearts and minds of the RNC owned
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: by West Virginia Governor Jim Justice. What is the name
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: of that dog? I'll give you, is it A, Mr. Chomp, B, Daniel, Texas, C, Sneakers,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: or D, Baby Dog? Baby Dog. It is, it's Baby Dog.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 10: Daniel's on it.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: I know that a lot of you want to meet
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: my little buddy. So if Baby Dog could come on
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: out here, she makes us smile.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God, Baby Dog.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: She loves everybody. So funny. Honestly, best part of the RNC.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: It really was. Baby Dog was a highlight of the week.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: That guy saying you could meet my little buddy could
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: end a lot different. You know what I mean? Look
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: at these. I love just, I like when dogs look
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: like they're owners.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: It's so sweet. I mean it in the best way.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Look at these two. Huh?
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: I hope baby dog got some cheese.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: The governor should be in a motorcycle and the dog
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: should be in a fucking sidecar. All right.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: And you know what that sound means?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: I don't actually. I'm terrible.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: Jesus.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 9: Jesus.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: It's time for a lightning round. We are calling truth
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: or dairy. There it is.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 11: Oh, yes.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: Bring out the dairy.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: What is happening?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. How long has that milk been out?
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: Bring out the lactaid. All right.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 16: Truth.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: I don't need to hear any questions.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 9: Truth.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, here's what's going to happen. I'm actually going to
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: take some Lactaid. I hate this. I'm going to ask
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: you each truth or dare questions. You can either choose
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: to answer it truthfully or make me consume dairy. That's right. Tonight,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: I am the designated milk martyr. I alone will bear
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: the brunt of your skipped dares because I am brave.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Like a lion. And because I figured you wouldn't want
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: to drink all this dairy, at least not as much
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: as I wanted to. All right. And we're going to
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: work our way up from skim all the way to,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: I think it goes from skim to yogurt.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Is that cottage cheese?
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm ready for this game.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 13: Cheese.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's start with John. John?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: Who actually did an incredible job with their RNC speech?
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: An incredible job? Yeah, who do you think did an
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: amazing speech? You can also say Derry. You know what?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: I think Kai Trump did a pretty good job. Kai
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: Trump did do a really good job. She was great.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: All right, I'll just drink some skim.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 6: Was that drinking dairy just because you wanted some milk?
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: Was it really the truth? I approve of that.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just having a skim to get started. All right, Aaron,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: you're up next. What is something you like about J.D.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 13: Vance?
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, boo. Usha.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: I was going to say Usha Vance's introduction speech was
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: very endearing.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Humanized him, really did.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: Ben, what's something you like about J.D. Vance? I have
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: a thing, but I want to watch you drink more dairy. Yeah.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: All right, let's do some whole milk. I'm pouring it
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: into a cup because I don't want to waste. I
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: skipped oat. I skipped oat.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: This is hard to watch.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: Beautiful. That's beautiful to see. Ben, do you remember when
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: I drank a quart of chocolate milk while you made
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: a case for the Wisconsin Democrats? Oh, yeah. I'll never
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: forget it. Tommy, you're up. About? About Jamie Vance? What
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: is some harsh feedback you want to say to Baby Dog? Wow.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: Let's get another photo of Baby Dog up there. You
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: need to rip this dog to fucking shreds.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 11: Watching this, my biggest fear was this sweet, adorable, loving,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 11: absolutely portly dog was gonna jump off the chair and
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 11: break its little tiny legs.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: You need longer legs, baby dog. Baby dog's not healthy,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: can we be honest about it?
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 10: Yeah, no, not at all, no. Does that count?
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Drink some shit, okay. What is this?
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: Buttermilk? I have to look away.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: For this part. I hate this. Is that buttermilk? Tell
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: me when.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: It's over, y'all.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: Dan, you have to kiss one RNC speaker on the lips.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: Who are you? Who's it going to be? I mean,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: it's a tough choice. Can I just say Derry or
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: do I have to answer both? Yeah, you can say Derry.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: I'll drink some of this buttermilk. Or, I mean, if
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: you had to pick, it'd have to be Baby Dog, right? Yeah,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: Baby Dog. Baby Dog, yeah. Is that the buttermilk? That's
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: actually really tough. It's kind of interesting. It's like sour.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: Stop it! That is terrible.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: I'm still doing it.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Not really a sipping beverage John, back
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: to you. Which of Trump's kids would you choose to
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: spend a full day with at a cheese festival and
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: you can't pick Tiffany? And you can't what? No Tiffany.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: And you know what? I'm taking Baron off the table.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 9: Fuck.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 13: Dairy.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: Dairy. Oh, oh God. Oh no.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 13: Sour cream?
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. Don't do it. I agree. I agree. That
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: was a big bite.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: This is so rough.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: We're proud of you, John.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: Thank you for your service.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 10: I want him to puke.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. Oh, man. Aaron, what are your genuine
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: thoughts on the don't step on me and MAGA ball
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: gowns that popped up in Milwaukee this week? Will you admit,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: will you admit, will you admit here and now that
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: they are, to some extent, serving? Will you admit it
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: here and now that despite, put your politics aside. Come on.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: Especially the one on the left. The Gadsden flag? Listen.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: If nothing else, they were getting these fits off this week.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: They were. I mean, look. This is a statement. It's
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: a statement. It's a statement that was made this week.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: They don't get to wear this, you know, back home
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: to Target, but here, here, Milwaukee was their runway.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: I have to give.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: It to them.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: Milwaukee was a runway, and they were serving.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: It was their beautiful, hardened, thickened runway.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 9: Thickened.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: It was. All right, I feel gross. I guess that's
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: our game.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: What a finish. What a finish. What was that?
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: What was that about?
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: That's our show for tonight. I want to interrupt for
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: one second. Yes, do it. All right. Wait, you can
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: pitch for as long as it takes me to drink what?
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of dairy left on that table. This
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: is a tradition that we have. We'll do 2%. Hold on.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: You'll do the pitch while I do 2%. I'm not
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: drinking this whole thing. I'll die. All right. I'll drink
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: a cup. Tell me when, John. You have as long
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: as it takes for me to drink this cup.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: Did you mix that with the buttermilk?
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little bit of buttermilk for texture. For texture.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: All right, I have a cup of 2%. Make your pitch.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: We've known doom and gloom. We remember when Wisconsin looked
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: like a red state. How many people here organized and
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: fought to make sure we beat.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 17: Scott Walker, that we elected Joe Biden, that we re-elected
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 17: Governor Evers, that we re-elected and won those Supreme Court races,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 17: and now we are going to win this November. If
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 17: it's Joe Biden and Kamala Harris on the ballot, who's
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 17: voting for them this November?
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: Who's going to do it? Who's going to organize? Who's
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: going to do the work?
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 17: And we have an election on, I'm just going, we
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 17: have an election on August 13th.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: Constitutional amendments. Republican power grabs.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 17: We are going to stop them from ripping up our
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 17: Constitution this August. And we're going to do the same
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 17: thing this November. People, politics is not a spectator sport.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: You can have opinions about the quarterback, but we are
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: players in this game. Every person here, everyone listening, has
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: the power to turn off voters. And when we work,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: we win. Yeah, we do.
• 1:22:18
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• 1:22:22
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• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: Tammy Baldwin. Thank you, Madison.
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• 1:23:00
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