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Ken Rosenthal on Braves pursuit of Rizzo before Olson, Elly’s rise, M’s choices + Cubs-White Sox battle · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: All right, time for our first guest of the day,
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  Speaker 1: a dear friend of mine, the senior writer for The Athletic.
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  Speaker 1: You guys know him as your insider on foul Territory. Hello, Kenny,
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  Speaker 1: how are you today?
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  Speaker 2: Katie?
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  Speaker 1: I have to put on my best for you. Kenny.
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  Speaker 1: You know this, plus c AJ prisients let him know.
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  Speaker 1: Let him know that the first nineteen minutes or so
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  Speaker 1: not terrible. But let's get to you got a new
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  Speaker 1: notes call him out on The Athletic this morning, headlining
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  Speaker 1: with some previously unreported news on the Freddy Freeman Matt
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  Speaker 1: Olsen saga. Remember when the Braves acquired Olsen and Freddie
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  Speaker 1: went to LA That was over five years ago. You've
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  Speaker 1: put reported that the Braves also tried to sign Anthony Rizzo.
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  Speaker 1: Let's break that down a little.
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  Speaker 2: Bit, well, Katie.
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  Speaker 3: As I mentioned at the start of the article, it's
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  Speaker 3: no point, there's no point relitigating what happened Freddy leaving
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  Speaker 3: at Landa.
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  Speaker 2: The whole saga that we heard about.
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  Speaker 3: But at the same time, when I was talking to
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  Speaker 3: some people about just what I wanted to do with
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  Speaker 3: a comparison between Freddie Freeman and matt Olsen, I did
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  Speaker 3: learn that, yes, the Braves, in between finding out they
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  Speaker 3: were losing Freddy and trading for Olsen, actually tried to
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  Speaker 3: get Rizzo. And why is this significant. It's not that
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  Speaker 3: significant in the grand scheme of things. But if you
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  Speaker 3: recall at the time, there was a perception, a narrative
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  Speaker 3: that this is what the Braves wanted all along. They
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  Speaker 3: just wanted to get rid of Freddy get matt Olsen.
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  Speaker 3: And granted they acted very quickly after losing Freddie Freeman
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  Speaker 3: to acquire matt Olsen. This all happened within a span
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  Speaker 3: of three or four days, and they signed Olsen right
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  Speaker 3: away to a long term extension. But before they even
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  Speaker 3: got serious with the a's about Olsen, they did try
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  Speaker 3: for Rizzo. It never got closed. They wanted to do
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  Speaker 3: one year, according to one source. Another source said, well,
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  Speaker 3: Rizzo wanted to opt out, and the Braves don't do that.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever.
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  Speaker 3: The point is that the idea that they were simply
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  Speaker 3: on the Olsen train never made that much sense to me.
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  Speaker 2: They tried to sign Freddy until the end.
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  Speaker 4: You can debate whether.
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  Speaker 3: They tried hard enough, okay, but that is why I
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  Speaker 3: reported what I did. The gist of the item is
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  Speaker 3: that both teams, the Dodgers and the Braves, end up
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  Speaker 3: extremely happy.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 3: Have won two World Series, Freddy said two of the
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  Speaker 3: great home runs in postseason history, and the Braves have
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  Speaker 3: three more years of Matt Olsen after this one plus
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  Speaker 3: a club option. He is in his prime, he's having
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  Speaker 3: one of his best years. He has played every game
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  Speaker 3: possible since joining the Braves. So they're quite happy too.
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  Speaker 5: So when we get into trade season, we can be
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  Speaker 5: reminded of this train because it was a trade. Yes,
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  Speaker 5: they didn't they didn't re sign Freddy. They traded Matt
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  Speaker 5: Olson for the a starting catcher, Shae langleires. So there
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  Speaker 5: are trades like this.
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  Speaker 4: That work out well.
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  Speaker 5: But is there fear that one side's always getting ambushed
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  Speaker 5: in a trade. When I'm talking about just this trade,
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  Speaker 5: part of the Shay langliers for the Matt Olsen side.
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  Speaker 3: There's always fear, and certainly in the Braves case, they
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  Speaker 3: traded four prospects. That's not something they generally like to
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  Speaker 3: do that. They've done it a couple of times. They
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  Speaker 3: did this get Sean Murphy as well. And yes, when
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  Speaker 3: you trade prospects, you know that there's a possibility that
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  Speaker 3: they might come back to haunt you, that you might
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  Speaker 3: have traded the wrong players. But the Braves knew what
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  Speaker 3: they had in Langoliers. They knew he was very good.
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  Speaker 3: They also knew that they were getting Matt Olsen. I
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  Speaker 3: don't remember the amount of club control he was under
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  Speaker 3: at that time, but it was multiple years so and
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  Speaker 3: that was before signing into the extension.
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  Speaker 2: So they make the trade.
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  Speaker 3: You do what you have to do, and come trade
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  Speaker 3: season you will see teams we know this, We see
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  Speaker 3: it every year that are reluctant to move prospects, that
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  Speaker 3: hug their prospects. And sometimes that's for the better and
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  Speaker 3: sometimes it's for the worse. Look at the Baltimore Orioles
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  Speaker 3: right now, a reasonable argument can be made, a more
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  Speaker 3: than reasonable argument can be made that they held on
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  Speaker 3: to some of their young players too long.
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  Speaker 6: I want to talk about the Mariners now a little bit,
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  Speaker 6: talk about starting pitching.
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  Speaker 7: Specifically, how do you think, what do you think this
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  Speaker 7: team is going to do?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, come trade deadline, you think they'll find another
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  Speaker 6: starting pitcher. We talked about Luis Castillo struggling with a
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  Speaker 6: little bad luck.
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  Speaker 7: Kate Anderson's looming too.
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  Speaker 6: Man, talk a little about this team and what you
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  Speaker 6: see as the future looms forward here, Todd.
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  Speaker 3: Right now they've got six including Emmerson Hancock who is
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  Speaker 3: not going anywhere, and yes, Kate Anderson is tearing up
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  Speaker 3: double A in the minors. So conceivably at the deadline,
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  Speaker 3: if everyone is healthy, they can at least enter tain
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  Speaker 3: the idea of trading a starting pitcher. Now, we all
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  Speaker 3: know that doing that is extremely dangerous because the minute you.
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  Speaker 2: Trade one is the minute you lose another, and then
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  Speaker 2: you need starting pitching.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know that the Mariners will do this.
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  Speaker 3: But what's interesting about their situation is that next year
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  Speaker 3: they've got Randy Rosereina, the left fielder facing free agency.
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  Speaker 3: They've got JP Crawford, who will be replaced most likely
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  Speaker 3: by Colt Emerson, also facing free agency. They'll need a
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  Speaker 3: third basement if Emerson is playing short as well as
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  Speaker 3: a left fielder. So if you're the Mariners at the deadline,
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  Speaker 3: do you address this or try to address it now
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  Speaker 3: or do you wait until the off season when you'll
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  Speaker 3: have more options available, Although the free agent market is
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  Speaker 3: quite thin and you're going to be looking.
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  Speaker 2: At a lockout and all of that. So I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what they will do.
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  Speaker 3: My suspicion is that they'll keep all their starting pitchers,
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  Speaker 3: assuming they're healthy, and if they're healthy, they'll count their
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  Speaker 3: blessings and go from there.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we kind of can meld these two teams together.
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  Speaker 5: They had a ton of starting pitching and they needed
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  Speaker 5: a bat and they weren't willing to trade away from
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  Speaker 5: that starting pitching to get that bat. And now they've
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  Speaker 5: signed some guys. But before we hit another topic, I
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  Speaker 5: want to ask you about col Nobody can find the
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  Speaker 5: replacement for cal Raley. Do teams at this time of
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  Speaker 5: the year say, starting catching is just so difficult, we
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  Speaker 5: just have to find two backups to fill it in.
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  Speaker 5: Because even at the trade deadline, you rarely see starting
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  Speaker 5: catching get moved. It's like, if it's going to happen,
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  Speaker 5: it's rare case, and it's usually like more of like
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  Speaker 5: a backup kind of guy, like a Christian Vasquez, that
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  Speaker 5: type of thing. But do the Mariners make a move
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  Speaker 5: here with Col's news of him being out, because they're
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  Speaker 5: never used to him being out and they're barely able
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  Speaker 5: to cover it with him being out well.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, Eric, we don't know how long he's
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  Speaker 3: going to be out yet, and they have not.
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  Speaker 2: Said anything about that.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, it's an oblique it's going to be weeks and
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  Speaker 3: maybe even months, who knows. But I don't expect them
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  Speaker 3: necessarily to make a move. And remember they did trade
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  Speaker 3: Harry Ford in the offseason to the Washington Nationals. He's
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  Speaker 3: still in the minor leagues, but he was their top
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  Speaker 3: catching prospect and they got Farrere.
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  Speaker 2: For him, a left handed reliever. They're sitting on Mitch.
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  Speaker 3: Garver right now, who they re signed because they wanted
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  Speaker 3: him to be the backup to cal Raley. Cal Raley
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  Speaker 3: wanted him to be the backup as well, and they've
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  Speaker 3: got Parada, who is a strong defensive catcher, as the
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  Speaker 3: backup to Garver. If that's how they're going to play it,
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  Speaker 3: they'll probably split time with both of those. So I
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  Speaker 3: don't necessarily see them making a move. We just did
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  Speaker 3: see a starting catcher get traded, a highly unusual trade,
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  Speaker 3: especially in May. Patrick Bailey went from the Giants to
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  Speaker 3: the Guardians. But you're right, Catchers routinely do not get traded,
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  Speaker 3: in part because it's hard for a catcher to adapt
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  Speaker 3: to an entire new staff and pitching system going from
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  Speaker 3: one team to another. That's a difficult thing to ask
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  Speaker 3: of anyone. So I don't know that they're going to
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  Speaker 3: replace him. I don't know that they can replace him.
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  Speaker 1: you think that will impact any possible trade conversations of CJ.
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  Speaker 1: Abrams going forward?
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  Speaker 2: Yes and no. Both, And here's why I say that.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, because the new front office, liked the new front
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  Speaker 3: office in Saint Louis sees this as not something that's
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  Speaker 3: going to be fixed in one year. It's going to
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  Speaker 3: take some time.
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  Speaker 2: So therefore C. J. Abrams is a trade candidate.
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  Speaker 3: And when I say no, it's not going to have
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  Speaker 3: any impact because he already was a trade candidate. So
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that it makes much difference. It is
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  Speaker 3: what it is now. We had Spencer Andnusbaum of the
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  Speaker 3: really the best offensive shortstop in baseball, his defensive metrics
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  Speaker 3: are not good and there's always been talk of him
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  Speaker 3: possibly moving to second base. How does this impact them
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  Speaker 3: in trade discussions?
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  Speaker 2: Unclear.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly a team could trade for Abrams to play second base,
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  Speaker 3: or they could trade for him to be their shortstop
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  Speaker 3: and hopefully improve his defense. Generally speaking, as I wrote,
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  Speaker 3: in particular, are difficult to move unless you haven't open it.
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  Speaker 3: Now with shortstops, most teams are set, So unless there's
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  Speaker 3: an injury, I don't really see it. I did mention
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  Speaker 3: Tampa Bay as a possibility for Abrams, but Tampa Bay
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  Speaker 3: greatly values defense, so if his defense is in question,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how interested the Rais would be. But
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  Speaker 3: at the same time, the Nationals at some point are
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  Speaker 3: probably going to want to leverage what they have with
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  Speaker 3: Abrams to get multiple pieces back. He's got two years
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  Speaker 3: of control after this one.
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  Speaker 2: His salary is rising. It shouldn't matter.
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  Speaker 3: They don't much have much of a payroll anyway, but
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  Speaker 3: they're going to look to move him, if not at
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  Speaker 3: the deadline, which they probably will explore certainly.
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  Speaker 2: I would think this offseason.
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  Speaker 6: As you know me, Kenny, we talk about this all
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  Speaker 6: the time. One way together, about results. I'm a results
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  Speaker 6: based guy. I'm not a numbers guy.
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  Speaker 7: I look at you in the eye, I watch you play.
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  Speaker 6: I want that guy my team, right, and we're talking
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  Speaker 6: about Elie day La Cruz, one of the best in
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  Speaker 6: the game. If we're talking about results and I think
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  Speaker 6: that's fantastic. Got the guy that wanted my team. Now,
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  Speaker 6: can you enlighten us a little bit more about this story?
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  Speaker 6: How he wasn't you know, spoken about in an article
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  Speaker 6: or in the news about you know, positively, and you
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  Speaker 6: know about what the Cincinnati reads, how good.
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  Speaker 7: They've been doing even though they've been struggling.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: I wrote about him because I was talking with our
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  Speaker 3: Beat writers. He's Trent Rosecrants, and I said, hey, man,
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  Speaker 3: what's up with Elie? Why the improvement? Is there any
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  Speaker 3: story there? And Trent said, there is a story here,
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  Speaker 3: and the story is that he is focused on becoming
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  Speaker 3: a winning player, not just chasing metrics, not just trying
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  Speaker 3: to throw the ball as hard as he can or.
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  Speaker 2: Hit it as hard as he can.
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  Speaker 3: So he certainly does that. He's trying to do things
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  Speaker 3: that winning players do. What you're talking about, Todd results.
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  Speaker 3: So I thought that was really interesting and for a
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  Speaker 3: young player, a guy who has not yet made money
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  Speaker 3: to understand that he needs to operate within a team
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  Speaker 3: concept and get the best out of himself for the team,
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  Speaker 3: to me, that's a good story, and that's why I
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  Speaker 3: wrote what I did about him. I talked to a
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  Speaker 3: number of people before I wrote that, and they all
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  Speaker 3: kind of had the same view of this, that this
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  Speaker 3: is a guy who was doing some really special things.
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  Speaker 3: Nathaniel Lowe said, when I was on the other side,
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  Speaker 3: when I was his opponent, I thought, Okay, he's really dynamic,
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  Speaker 3: he does all these cool things, but is he going
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  Speaker 3: to be consistent? Is he going to be that kind
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  Speaker 3: of player? And the answer Nathaniel Lowe has found is yes.
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  Speaker 3: And then I talked to their general manager, Nick Krawl.
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  Speaker 3: He said, Ellie's not just stealing basis to steal bases anymore.
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  Speaker 3: He's doing it strategically, doing it for the right reasons.
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  Speaker 3: And then Brian Hayes, the third baseman, who was kind
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  Speaker 3: of an influence on Elie Delacruz because to Brian Hayes
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  Speaker 3: is one of the great fielders in the game. He said,
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  Speaker 3: he's not worried about throwing the ball one hundred miles
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  Speaker 3: an hour across the field anymore. He's worried about getting outs.
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  Speaker 3: All of these things combined to make Elie Delacruz not
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  Speaker 3: just an extremely gifted player, but a player who is
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  Speaker 3: all about winning, trying to do the best he can
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  Speaker 3: for the team.
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  Speaker 2: And making plays.
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  Speaker 3: As he has done is like detail in the story
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  Speaker 3: that really go to those lengths. So it's a cool
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  Speaker 3: story because he is just twenty four still and it's
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  Speaker 3: a cool thing that he has kind of founded and
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  Speaker 3: his work ethic has responded to all these challenges that
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  Speaker 3: he's faced, and here he is now and he's a
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  Speaker 3: top five war guy. I think right now there's not
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  Speaker 3: much more he can say about it than that.
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  Speaker 5: Can you tell us what you wrote in the article
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  Speaker 5: about the penalties that the infield I think it's all
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  Speaker 5: the infielders with the Reds incur if they make an air,
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  Speaker 5: and I think Heno Suarez came up with it, but
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  Speaker 5: I'm not you you know more.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Henria Suarez in his first stint with the Reds
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  Speaker 3: twenty fifteen to twenty would do this with Joey Vado
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  Speaker 3: and Zach Coozart and that group. And basically, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if there's inflation here spending much money on this
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  Speaker 3: betting game that they have regardless, but what happens is
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  Speaker 3: an infield practice.
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  Speaker 2: If one of the infielders misses a throw.
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  Speaker 3: Or botches a ground ball, he has to pay the
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  Speaker 3: other infielders twenty dollars.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 3: One of the funny things about this is that second
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  Speaker 3: baseman Matt McClain is generally not included in these games
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  Speaker 3: because they feel the throw from second the first is
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  Speaker 3: too easy and he's got an advantage. But first baseman
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  Speaker 3: Sustar aohaner Suarez who still plays third, as well as Dhing, Cabrian, Hayes,
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  Speaker 3: Elie Dela Cruz. They're all part of it, and there's
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  Speaker 3: some dispute who has the lead right now.
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  Speaker 2: Cabrian said they're all even and Aohan said, no, I
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  Speaker 2: haven't made a mistake yet.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever, it's something that again forces players to get in
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  Speaker 3: the right practice habits for the game and actually kind
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  Speaker 3: of enhances.
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  Speaker 2: The attention to detail, which is what you're seeking.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back and hello to Jesse Rogers of ESPN, our
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  Speaker 1: next guest here on this Friday edition of Foul Territory.
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  Speaker 1: Jesse based in Chicago, Big Series in the South Side.
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  Speaker 1: How are you today.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: I'm good. I mean, i'd like to say I put
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: on the sport coat for you guys, but it's Cubs
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: versus Socks, both teams above five hundred. That rarely happens
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: around here, So we're all juiced up for this series.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, the White Sox are playing some really good baseball,
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: and of course the Cubs got off to a great start.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: So good to be with you.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk a little bit about Let's talk about
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: the White Sox because I think coming into the season,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: you saw some of the moves they did on the margins,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: you're still thinking, all right, they're a little bit of
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: ways out of out of playing into contention. The Ale
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Central is one of the I would say, more mediocre
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: divisions in baseball. But as we're looking six weeks into
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: the season, we passed the forty game quarter mark threshold point.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Do you think the Chicago White Sox are legit.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: To think so? And I've been doing this for about
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: ten days or so, just kind of looking under the hood.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: Are they doing something so amazing right now that they're
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: bound to have some regression? I don't see it. Yes,
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: A lot of their offense has been concentrated in three
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: players more Commy Vargas and Colson Montgomery. But even as
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: of lately against the Royals, they just swept them more
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: Commedy didn't do much except take some walks. Their six
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: through nine hitters are pretty good. They're league average. They're
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: pitching really well in clutch moments, but not so much
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: that you expect some regression. Like the Reds, for example,
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: we're in that category. They were way above everyone else
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: in clutch moments, pitching wise, high leverage, and they came
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: back to the pack. In fact, I think the Padres,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: for example, are in that category. Hitting wise. I think
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: they might come back to the pack. So that's what
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: I'm getting at, Like the Socks are not doing something
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: where you're like, well, that's not gonna last, other than
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: they're very young and you just don't know if young
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: team can pace themselves for one sixty two. And of course,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: the biggest thing is what you just said. The division
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: seems wide open. There's a couple of rebuilds that have
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: somewhat stalled. The Kansas City Royals might be one of them. Certainly,
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Detroit Tigers have some issues with Scooble down and some
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: other issues as well. Cleveland is still Cleveland. But I
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: do think the situation the division is going to allow
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: for the White Sox to hang around.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: You talk about them hanging around, Now, tell me and
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: explain to me who who's the leader of that team.
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: Who's the guy right now that.
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: Is leading in the charge there with this resurgence of
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: this white White Sox team and how good they've been doing.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: It's funny. I asked that of Sam Antonaci the other
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: day and he said, Mike Vassel, who's had elbow surgery,
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: is not even part of the mix on the mound.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: But it does feel like a little bit of a
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: group effort. More Commie has certainly injected some life in there.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Chase my draft might be the heart and soul kind
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: of thing along with Antonachi since he's come up, but
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: mydraf has a little bit more experiences. It's hard to
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: pinpoint one person. I think they congregate around Miguel Vargas
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: a little bit. So it is a different sort of
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: feeling every day over there. It is in some ways
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: similar to the Cubs. The sum is better than the parts.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: They certainly had a MVP Calbert kind of candidate early
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: on here with more Kami. But you think of that
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: team like that bullpen is as important as anything, and
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: you can't really point to one guy. It's a bunch
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: of guys back there, Hudson and Sir Anthony Domingus, who's
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: given up some runs but gotten the saves done and
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: Sean Newcomb. So my best answer is Mike Vassil, who's
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: on the injured list, or else it's Chased my Dress
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: who's kind of leading the charge.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: Do you think more Kami is what you said, an
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: MVP type of candidate or is it more of just
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: like a second place rookie of the year.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's a tough question. I do think
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: he is turning into that three true outcome kind of player,
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: a mini or man's Kyle Schrober. I think that's in him.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: I think that's the most surprising thing, as it was
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: told to me when he was in Japan. He hit
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: fifty six runs a few years ago. I think he
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: started to chase those home runs as like the true
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: slugger in his lineup, and he got a kind of
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: got away from himself. Comes over here. And what's been
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: so shocking is is the takes, the walks, the on
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: basis at three seventy, a lot of strikeouts, a lot
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: of walks, a lot of home runs. That nearly got
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Kyle Schwarver the MVP last year. So I'm not gonna
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: say no, but you know it's hard for a rookie
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: to do it for one sixty two and and and
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: you know, hard enough to win Rookie of the Year.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know if he'll be an MVP candidate towards
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: the end of the year. You got Aaron Judge, you
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: got some good players in the American League, but certainly
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: Rookie of the Year and certainly surprising people. His takes
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: are elite, and after a good take usually comes a
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: good pitch, and he's been able to do damage on it.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Jesse, knowing all the time that we spent together in
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: the NL Central, I'm a little surprised, to say the least,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: about the quality of baseball from all five teams in
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: that division. And I'm also still surprised about the White Sox.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: So my question for you here is what's the bigger surprise,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: how well the Cubs have played given all of their
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: pitching injuries, or that the White Sox are simply a
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: five hundred team.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: No, it's definitely the White Socks. I mean, the Cubs
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: are coming off of ninety two when a season they
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: added to their pitching staff, they reinforced got some depth,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: Edward Cabrera being the main guy there. So I don't
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: think what the Cubs are doing is a surprise at all.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: I thought it would be a lengthy, deep lineup, and
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: for the most part it has been. It's a little
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: bit streaky because when they're not passing the baton, when
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: they face at Jacob de gram or Chris Sale, it
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: can stall a little bit. They don't have that true
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: MVP caliber player in the middle to carry them through
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: some tough times. Maybe Saya Suzuki's as close as they get,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: but they're ten to twelve deep if you include Michael Confordo,
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: who's come out of nowhere. So not surprised by the Cubs.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: I think everybody in Chicago, including the lighte Sicks themselves.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Maybe not the players, but I think the personnel around
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: that team are pretty surprised. This team's twenty two and
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: twenty one. This was supposed to be just another stepping
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: stone in their rebuild, and they may actually contend for
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: a playoff spot.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: All right, Jesse, make sure we say this about the
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: Cubs first, because this is AJ's team. We have to
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: make sure we get no love here. But most teams
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: stall when they face Jacob deGrom or Chris Sales. So
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: that's okay for that Cubs lineup, But I have one
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: more socks question. With the team doing better, I get it,
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: I don't believe they're a playoff team. I don't think
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: anybody don't think you said that. I don't think anybody
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: said that. With Andrew benattendee struggling still, do you think
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: this front office is okay taking at bats away from him,
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: a guy who's still up for one more year on
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: his contract, of his five year, seventy five million dollars
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: deal that he signed four years ago. Do they would
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: they be in a spot to take at bats away
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: from him this year to give them to younger guys
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: as most rebuilding teams do.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: The answer is yes, I think so. We've already seen
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: him get dropped in the lineup. It's not necessarily playing
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: every day now. They don't have a deep outfield, so
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: that's where he's going to get some some bats still,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: But they have some guys coming like Bradon Montgomery's on
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: the rise. He could be up here basically any day.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: So the answer question is yes. And look, the longer
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: they stay in the race, the more you think about
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: only winning, and you put out the best nine guys
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: every day that are gonna help you win. So we
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: get to the second half and they are in the race.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: I think, yeah, benettende's hitting, he'll play. If he's not,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: he'll play less. I think he has been a good,
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: sort of experienced veteran in that locker room. But there
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: are other guys certainly performing better. He's no longer in
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: like the top four or five hitters, which he was
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: a lot early on this season. So I definitely think
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: the answer to your question is yes.
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: All right, now let's go to AJ's Cubs, because this
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: team is leading the NL Central. This team spent money
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: in the offseason bringing in a bragman that we normally
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: wouldn't see this team do other years, and they extended PCA,
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: and they extended Nico Horner. Is this team succeeding the
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: way that they built the team to succeed, because when
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: you look at it, the money's given to kind of
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: the intangibles, sometimes defense, base running, and not necessarily the
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: super We brought in Kyle Tucker because he's the star
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: and we're gonna sign him. So are they succeeding in
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: that way or are they succeeding because they put runs
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: on the board.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: I think they're succeeding in the way they built the team.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: You're right, they didn't want to concentrate money into one player,
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: that this was going to be more spread out. Add
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: some free agents along with guys that have come up
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: you know from their miners themselves Pca and Nico Horner
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: for example, but add in Bregman and Danceby Swanson a
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: few years ago. No, I think this is the division
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: that Jed had when he broke up the last team,
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: you know, back in twenty one, trading Rizzo and Bryant
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: those guys. It was always going to take some time.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: They weren't going to be a quick, fixed team because
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: that usually costs you money right away. So I think
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: he is slowly but surely added on and and yeah,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: it turns out like, Okay, you don't have to pay
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: for defense as much as you do for home runs,
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: but home a run saved is just as good as
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: a run scored. So they've been able to put together
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: a pretty good offensive team. Would they really good defensive
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: team and enough pitching to win? We saw that basically
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: last year, and I think they're a little bit better
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: this year.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Let's uh, there we are. Jesse when you look at
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: the NL Central, the Cubs I think, based on their
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: off seasons, should be right where they are even with
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: all those injuries. We can never really count out the Brewers.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: They just find a way to win every year. The
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Cardinals supposed to be going through a rebuild. They're playing
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: their best ball in the last three years. Who is
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the front runner in this division right now?
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: Well, I think it's the Cubs, though they have the injuries.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Having said that, until they knock the Brewers off, you
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: kind of respect Milwaukee, you absolutely do. I'm not going
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: to pick a winner, but I will say this, and
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: I said this in February and March regarding the Cubs.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: If not now win, If not this team with this payroll,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: which they're going to pay the tax and everything, how
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: and win, are they going to beat the Brewers. This
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: is as good as it's probably going to get. They're
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: not investing for four hundred five hundred million in Trek
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: school ball. They already passed on and Kyle Tucker, but
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: are paying Alex Spragman. I mean, so that's kind of
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: my feeling. If not now, when having said that Milwaukee
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: might win the division, I don't know, but I do
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: agree that I think it's those two teams I mentioned
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: kind of the clutch, high leverage moments. Saint Louis has
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: certainly exceeded in that Cincinnati has as well. I do
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: think there's some regression there. Certainly the Reds have already
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: shown that a little bit. Pittsburgh is probably being, you know,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: doing what they should be doing. They'll probably be a
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: five hundred ish team and making those kinds of improvements
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: in the standings based on what they did in the offseason.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: So I still look at it as the Brewers and
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: Cubs as the class. But man, if the Cubs don't
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: win the division this year, I don't know when they're
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: going to.
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: Well that's a tough one.
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: I mean, if you're a Chicago fan, you're like, all right,
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: pressure's on right now. Talk a little about their pitching. Man,
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: they've been hit with some setbacks. Wharton's out for the year.
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: Still how to set back, talk about my man and
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: Boyd all of a sudden getting hurt with his kids.
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: I listen, I tested it out. I've been hurt with
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: my kids too when I'm messing around with them all
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: the time. Now, all pun intended, but talk a little
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: about that, and they're still doing it. So I mean
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: that goes to show you a sign of winning ball club.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: Now, yeah, I mean, we could get to the end
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: of the year and they just come up short, and
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: we could blame it on Kate Horton and Justin Steele
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: set back. Now, Steele was coming back from elbow surgery anyway,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: so you better not have counted on him necessarily. But
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: obviously Horton came out of nowhere in some ways, although
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: he has shown a history of injury. So I guess
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: I'm saying there's really no excuses. They did think about
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: these things when they traded for Edward Cabrera and rebuilt
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: their bullpen. Jed Hoyer will certainly need to do some
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: work at the deadline. Best starter available, best reliever available,
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: that kind of thing thinking I think is important here.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: You know, go back to twenty sixteen. They traded their
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: best prospect for all this Chapman. So I would say,
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: if you're following the Cubs, I don't care how they
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: get better on their mound reliever starter. They're going to
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: need to do that in July. But we're far away
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: from July. I think Ben Brown has emerged as a
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: really good pitcher. He's now in the starting rotation showed
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: to Imanaga has reinvented himself in some ways. He's pitching
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: like a cy young candidate. So they are overcoming right now,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: but as you guys know, six months is a long
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: time to overcome a couple big injuries. Hopefully Justin Steele
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: comes back for them, but July is going to definitely
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: be important. The end of July early August, specifically for
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: Jed Hoyer. They probably can't go as far as they
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: want built built as is, but I think they can.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: They can still do well and hang in there until
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: reinforcements come.
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: All right, well kind of two parter. Then when is
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: Jed Hoyer ever made that big move in season? Yes,
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: we got Edward Cabrera, which was not necessarily the like
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: Corbyn Burns type of last year type of guy that
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: you're getting, Like, there were some question marks about Edward
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: and you know they're still there. But is he that guy?
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: Because you talked about twenty sixteen. I mean, I'm pretty
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: sure THEO ain't making no trades. THEO works for a
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: lot of different teams and makes Leaue baseball and like
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: the women's professional Soccer League.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: He's everywhere, but.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: It's not twenty sixteen, and I think Jed Hoyer, I'm
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: not saying he's on the hot seat. I'm saying, with
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: these injuries, other teams that want to make the playoffs
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: set themselves up with a little more depth than what
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: I think Jed Hoyer put the Cubs in to start
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: the season.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm gonna disagree with you a little, but
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: I do think he did well enough in the offseason.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: But I do agree that aggressive muscle that you know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: that aggressive GM show. He hasn't always shown like that's
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: not a club in his bag that he takes out
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: very often. The first time I saw it as as
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: the headman was basically when they traded a top prospect
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: for Kyle Tucker a year ago, one year of Kyle Tucker.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: That showed me something that Jed hasn't necessarily done in
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: the past as much. That's why I use that phrase.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: And this is actually theo's phrase, if not now, when
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: he certainly said that when he traded g Libratrus for
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: all this Chapman in sixteen. I think we're entering the
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: same situation. We don't know what baseball is gonna look
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: like next year the Cubs are either going to be
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: in first or in the wildcar race come July, you know,
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: August second or third, whenever the deadline is. And I
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: think he really has to go for it. Maybe maybe
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: you only do it once every decade where you really
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: go for it. This should be it, And I agree
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: with you. Let's see if he pulls that club out
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: of his bag. I think he's been around long enough
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: and learned at the feet of theo Epstein to know
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: that if he has to shoot big, if he has
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: to give up a top prospect, maybe maybe not for rental,
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: you know, maybe maybe it's someone with team control, maybe
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: a second best prospect for you know, if he has
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: to make that aggressive mood, that's gonna hurt in years
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: to come. I like to believe he'll do it. I do,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: and I think he's at least shown the ability to
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: do it when you think about that Kyle Tucker trade.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: But I think Cup fans are gonna be waiting and
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: watching very closely for that big one come July.
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: Last question for me, we talk about rivalries all the time.
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: There's still some good rivalries in baseball.
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: You know, you got the White Sox, you got the Cubs, now, Yankees, Mets.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: I played for three out of those four teams. Where
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: do you think that Cubs White Sox rivalries sits in
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: the baseball world?
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna be honest. It probably not as good
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: as it should be. I tweeted this out last night.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: You guys know this by now, Like it's been since
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: June two thousand and eight when they faced each other,
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: and both teams have a winning record, So it's hard.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, the fans have a rivalry for sure, but
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: like one team's good, one team's bad, it's just tough
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: to get a lot of juice going. Finally, both teams
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: are decent, even if it's just one game over five
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: hundred for the White Sox. So look, it is a rivalry.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: It's a good one.
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  Speaker 7: You know.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: It's funny they play the White Sox, the Cubs do,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: and then right after that is the Milwaukee Brewers and
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: the Cubs. Brewers rivalry is at its peak. It is
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: as good as it gets. I might even put that
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: ahead of Cubs Socks in some ways, but at least
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: we have two winning teams going at each other. This weekend,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: sold out crowds. One team really hot, the other team
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: just got off a little losing skid, but they'd won
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: ten in a row twice already in the in the Cubs.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, it's good. It's good, and maybe it will
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  Speaker 4: grow if both teams continue to have success.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: Jesse, there's no there's like Cole Hamil said, there's no
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: rivalry between the Brewers and the Cubs. Cole Hamil's exact words,
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: where there's no rivalry between these two teams, and he's
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: seen rivalries. But my question is who's to blame that
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: it's not been a rivalry more because the whole your
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: whole tweet was since two thousand and eight. Yeah, so
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: who's been the worst? Who has the most blame on
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: the Chicago eh kind of rivalry?
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Probably the White Sox a little bit more, only because well,
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: you know, but I say that, but I was about
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: to say the White Socks have gone through two rebuilds
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: in that time at least, but some of the Cubs.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: Basically now, the Cubs had a World's Series in there,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: so you give him a little bit of a pass,
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: but I mean pretty equal, but a little bit more
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: with the White Sox. They set the record for most
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: losses in a single season, so yeah, I mean more recently,
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: it's certainly been on the White Sox. But you know,
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: even when Theoepski took over the Cubs, they didn't win
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: for a few years. And by the way, two thousand
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: and eight both teams made the postseason, so maybe there's
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: a little foreshadowing here.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: We love it.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: That's always the good stuff from Jesse Rogers of ESPN,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: so kind enough to join us before he heads to
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: the ballpark. Everyone's heading to the ballpark right now, Jesse
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: taking the much great stuff on all the stuff in
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Chicago Land.
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  Speaker 7: We'll see you soon.
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  Speaker 4: Great to be with you if you will.