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Why Naturopathy Works: The Missing Piece · Life TV now

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Speaker 1: Has a doctor ever looked you in the eye and
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Speaker 1: told you everything is normal, but you know that it's not.
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Speaker 1: Your labs are within range, yet you're exhausted, gaining weight
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Speaker 1: and dealing with symptoms. No one seems able to explain,
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Speaker 1: So what's really going on? Are they missing something or
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Speaker 1: are they measuring all of the wrong things in the
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Speaker 1: first place. Today we're talking with a doctor who challenges
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Speaker 1: the conventional model because there's a difference between being within
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Speaker 1: range and actually being well, and understanding that gap is
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Speaker 1: often the key to real healing. He Hello everybody, and
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Speaker 1: welcome back to Life TV Now, where we unpack all
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Speaker 1: matters of truth, faith and freedom. I'm Joe Artist Horned.
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Speaker 1: Today we have an absolutely explosive program planned for you,
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Speaker 1: but before we dive in, let me introduce who's here.
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Speaker 1: She's an integrative nutrition health coach with a Master of
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Speaker 1: Science and health education. Please welcome our executive producer, Jamie Woodhull,
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Speaker 1: and she's a traditional naturopath with a doctorate and holistic
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Speaker 1: we're also joined by one of my dear friends and
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Speaker 1: we were joking before the program started this is kind
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Speaker 1: of becoming the Secrets in Healthcare television program because you know,
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Speaker 1: like every other guest now is coming by way of
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Speaker 1: my introduction to Billy Koppitch. She has been a cross
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Speaker 1: pollinator for me for sure, Doctor Brian Artist, John Richardson,
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Speaker 1: doctor Steve Hewlett, and of course I would be remissed
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Speaker 1: if I didn't mention our good friend doctor Ralph Umbriaco,
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Speaker 1: who was recently on the program talking about muscle testing
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Speaker 1: and applied kinesiology. That's a great program. Go back to
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Speaker 1: the archives wherever you watch Life TV now, Doctor Hines,
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Speaker 1: your path into this field is very unique. What led
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Speaker 1: you to pursue naturopathic medicine in the first place, Because
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Speaker 1: a lot of our viewers might even be unfamiliar with
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Speaker 1: the term naturopathic medicine. Maybe they've heard the word allopathic
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Speaker 1: metas they've heard healthcare framed in words like conventional or
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Speaker 1: traditional medicine, which isn't even what a lot of people
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Speaker 1: think it is because they think of the big hospitals
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Speaker 1: with the big machines and the big interventions. Why did
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Speaker 1: you get into this field and what do you see
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Speaker 1: it doing with your patients?
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Speaker 2: All Right? So I was originally going to go to
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Speaker 2: medical school, and I moved to Chicago, started school there,
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Speaker 2: and I was working for an oncologist full time while
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Speaker 2: I went to school, and I worked there for four years,
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Speaker 2: and it was a wonderful experience. I worked with very caring,
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Speaker 2: knowledgeable staff, some of the best nurses I've ever worked with.
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Speaker 2: We had four outpatient clinics in the Chicago Land area
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Speaker 2: where we gave chemotherapy, and this was new at the time.
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Speaker 2: Very good people. I learned a lot working there, and
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Speaker 2: I just observed a lot while I was working there.
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Speaker 2: I still use a lot of that knowledge in my
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Speaker 2: clinic today. One of the things that occurred while I
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Speaker 2: was working there was the American Cancer Society published data
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Speaker 2: on cruciferous vegetables and their use in preventing cancer. This
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Speaker 2: was based on data that he been researched as far
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Speaker 2: back as the seventies. So I ordered the posters and
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Speaker 2: put them in all the rooms. Christopher's vegetables for anybody
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Speaker 2: who doesn't know, is broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, things like that.
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Speaker 2: And so I was really enthusiastic about, you know, sharing
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Speaker 2: this information with patients. But that got me thinking, what
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Speaker 2: if we could do something before they get to this point?
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Speaker 2: How do those play a role? What upstream inputs, what
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Speaker 2: physiology changes can we make that will change the trajectory
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Speaker 2: that someone is on. And so that made me change
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Speaker 2: my mind about the direction I was taking, and I
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Speaker 2: decided to go a different path.
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Speaker 1: For somebody watching this program, though that might not be aware,
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Speaker 1: there's still those out there going, okay, but you keep
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Speaker 1: saying this word naturopath, what natural something? What is naturopathy?
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Speaker 1: And how does that differ from what their view of
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Speaker 1: probably what they have been told is conventional medicine or
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Speaker 1: what they've seen cast it as allopathic medicine, the different types,
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Speaker 1: and so that they understand, like what do you do?
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Speaker 2: Right? So naturopathy uses diet, lifestyle and targeted nutrition to
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Speaker 2: make changes in a person's physiology. The reason it seems
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Speaker 2: different is because for the last hundred years or so,
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Speaker 2: we've had a pharmaceutical based medical system. Yeah, we have,
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Speaker 2: and so when you understand that that's where we're coming from,
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Speaker 2: anything outside that seems unusual or different. Sometimes it's called alternative,
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Speaker 2: but honestly it was there before the pharmaceutical model was there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I No, that's a great response because I often
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Speaker 1: struggle because you'll see literature conventional verses, and it's like,
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Speaker 1: where's the verses coming from. It's the fact that pharmaceutical
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Speaker 1: companies have kind of hijacked everyone's perception of what health
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Speaker 1: is supposed to look like. You know. I would suggest
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Speaker 1: that traditional medicine really does go back to the time
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Speaker 1: of ancient herb use and distribution, people that grew their
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Speaker 1: own food and we didn't need organic labels on everything
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Speaker 1: because food was inherently unadulterated, right the way it came
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Speaker 1: out of the earth. Right. What sets your approach apart though,
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Speaker 1: when you're working with patients, like what might someone expect
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Speaker 1: if they go to your office and maybe they're on
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Speaker 1: the fence, you know, and maybe they've got family. This
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Speaker 1: is another very common tale. They've got family even advising
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Speaker 1: not to go see the crazy woohoo up the road
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Speaker 1: that's going to sell them like a snake oil. You
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Speaker 1: got to see a real doctor. I've heard that in
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Speaker 1: my own family dynamics over the decades, years and years ago.
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Speaker 1: Before they understood that it was a lost cause on
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Speaker 1: me for sure, and it was said, you got to
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Speaker 1: go see a real doctor.
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Speaker 2: Can I tell you a funny story?
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Speaker 1: I would love a funny story. Yes.
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Speaker 2: I was sitting with a patient once and we were
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Speaker 2: talking and at one point she said, well, I was
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Speaker 2: talking to my real doctor. And then she stopped because
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Speaker 2: she said, oh, I'm so sorry, but you're not a
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Speaker 2: real doctor. And I said that's okay. I'm also a
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Speaker 2: fake mother because I have adoctive children.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's a very classy response. I like that.
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Speaker 2: So we just laughed and went on. I don't take offense.
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Speaker 2: But you know, another patient asked me why can't all
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Speaker 2: doctors be naturopaths, and I said, well, they really could,
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Speaker 2: and in some ways really used to be. Because really
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Speaker 2: what we're talking about is the approach to the patient
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Speaker 2: minus the pharmaceutical approach, you know, is really the difference
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Speaker 2: before we had the system that we have now, things
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Speaker 2: like homeopathy, colloidal silver, herbology. These were widely in use
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Speaker 2: by what would then have been called conventional doctors, and
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Speaker 2: homeopathy is widely misunderstood. A lot of times people use
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Speaker 2: naturalopathy and homeopathy interchangeably, and so I'll just delineate those
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Speaker 2: for people. Naturalopathy is a broad umbrella term that just
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Speaker 2: means any kind of natural medicine. It's very simple. But
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Speaker 2: homeopathy is a very specific form of medicine under that
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Speaker 2: umbrella term that is energy medicine. You can have a
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Speaker 2: doctorate in homeopathy. In fact, to the Queen of England
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Speaker 2: who lived into her mid nineties, her personal physician was
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Speaker 2: a homeopath. So that's what homeopathy is versus naturopathy.
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Speaker 1: So how many times, not asking it literally litigate this,
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Speaker 1: but how many times? How often? How frequent do you
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Speaker 1: see new patients come in and they're mystified at why
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Speaker 1: they're still suffering an ailment and their opening line is,
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Speaker 1: but all my labs look normal. They're telling me this
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Speaker 1: is psychosomatic. They're telling me my thyroid is great, everything's
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Speaker 1: in normal range. But they don't factor in things like
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Speaker 1: bioindividuality or the fact that somebody's autoimmunity is actually a
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Speaker 1: side effect of maybe a gut health issue that's underlying
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Speaker 1: that nobody has ever addressed. What do you make of
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Speaker 1: that whole concept that my labs are in range?
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Speaker 2: That's probably one of the most common things I hear.
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Speaker 2: And patients will come in and sometimes they don't bring
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Speaker 2: the actual labs, and they'll tell me they were normal,
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Speaker 2: And I want to know the numbers because what I
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Speaker 2: consider normal might not be the same. And really I
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Speaker 2: want to say, do you want to be normal or
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Speaker 2: do you want to feel good? Because those two things
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Speaker 2: are mutually exclusive.
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Speaker 1: Often Yeah, wow, that belongs on a T shirt. Say
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Speaker 1: that again for people that missed.
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Speaker 2: It, do you want to be normal or do you
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Speaker 2: want to feel good?
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Speaker 1: Right right? You know? For decades and for the people
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Speaker 1: unfamiliar with my journey, we're not going to talk about
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Speaker 1: that today, but for decades. And I know that Jamie
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Speaker 1: has a history very similar in terms of gut health,
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Speaker 1: pancreatic function, autoimmune disease, digestive disorder, dysregulation, disase all throughout
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Speaker 1: our bodies and all the while. And I was told
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Speaker 1: over and over again, a mix of this is genetic.
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Speaker 1: Another really common one was, we don't really know what
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Speaker 1: causes this disease, but we know what treats it. All
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Speaker 1: of my labs look pretty normal, you know, other than
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Speaker 1: fatty liver and some hormonal issues, most of it looks
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Speaker 1: pretty normal. And then of course they recite all of
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Speaker 1: the HDL and LDL and your cholesterol and that you
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Speaker 1: got to eat from the four food groups and the
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Speaker 1: food pyramid, and you know, like if your heart is concerning,
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Speaker 1: or if you're a type two diabetic, make sure you
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Speaker 1: eat your grains first thing in the morning. And by
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Speaker 1: the way, I just want to say in the middle
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Speaker 1: of this episode, we are not here whatsoever to disparage
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Speaker 1: our friends who are allopathic physicians. I know some fabulous
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Speaker 1: ones that love the Lord with all of their heart,
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Speaker 1: oncologists that are praying with their patients through disease for
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Speaker 1: healthy outcomes. This is not an attack. This is just
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Speaker 1: trying to, like you said, delineate the different approaches to medicine.
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Speaker 1: And I will tell you that in my lifetime, the
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Speaker 1: one that has helped me the most, and it's not
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Speaker 1: even a close contest, is everything that I started pursuing
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Speaker 1: a decade ago in natural medicine, homeopathic medicine, seeing my
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Speaker 1: chiropractors like doctor Ralph Umbriaco who's a master of herbalism,
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Speaker 1: And what did God put in the soil that helps
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Speaker 1: our body heal? What are some common patterns, or let's
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Speaker 1: call them red flags that you observe that you think
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Speaker 1: is being overlooked in traditional medicine.
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Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned thyroid, and that's a really common one.
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Speaker 2: Most of the time they'll just run a TSA to
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Speaker 2: determine if the thyroid is functioning. But there's so much
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Speaker 2: more to the thyroid than TSH. In fact, TSH is
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Speaker 2: not even a thyroid hormone. That's a pituitary signaling hormone.
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Speaker 2: So the range for TSH is very broad. Labs vary
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Speaker 2: a little bit, but it's point something to four point
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Speaker 2: five or five something are the very broad range. I
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Speaker 2: find most of the time women don't feel good unless
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Speaker 2: it's under two. But that's only one little piece of information.
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Speaker 2: When that number rises, that is the petuitary basically yelling
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Speaker 2: at the thyroid like we need more hormone, and the
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Speaker 2: thyroid isn't responding. That's why it goes up. But the
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Speaker 2: thyrid produces T one T two, T three, T four calcitonin.
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Speaker 2: There's so much more to the thyroid that we need
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Speaker 2: to look at, and so that's a really common one.
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Speaker 2: People come in they say, my TSH is normal? Well
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Speaker 2: what is normal? One point seven? Four point two? There
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Speaker 2: could be any number of things, and what's what are
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Speaker 2: the other numbers looking like? To go even deeper, I'd
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Speaker 2: like to just back up a minute. I want to
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Speaker 2: basically pull the curtain back on the Wizard of It
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Speaker 2: were you know that scene where the wizard is, you know,
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Speaker 2: he's so great and powerful and terrifying, and then the
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Speaker 2: dog pulls the curtain back and it's just this little
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Speaker 2: man operating things. So I kind of or the Emperor's
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Speaker 2: New Clothes analogy. I kind of want to expose that
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Speaker 2: all disease is really a combination of two factors, impediments
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Speaker 2: and lack of tools. What are the impediments, that's your genetics,
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Speaker 2: illnesses and injuries, talks and exposure. We're all exposed to
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Speaker 2: variety of toxins and our air, water, food, soil, So
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Speaker 2: those impediments that rack up, and then what are the tools?
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Speaker 2: What are the tools that our body uses. If we
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Speaker 2: start with the understanding that this body has its own
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Speaker 2: built in intelligence. How do we know that the heart
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Speaker 2: is beating four or five thousand times per hour without
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Speaker 2: our say so, we have no input on that. The
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Speaker 2: kidneys are filtering our blood almost every five minutes. All
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Speaker 2: the blood goes through there, and I don't have any
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Speaker 2: idea how to make a red blood cell. Our body's
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Speaker 2: just made two million. So that's a high level of intelligence.
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Speaker 2: So if we start with that premise, the next question
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Speaker 2: is when something goes wrong, what's the body missing? Okay, well,
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Speaker 2: we talked about the impediments. What are the tools the
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Speaker 2: body uses to do that every day? Vitamins, minerals, cofactors.
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Speaker 2: There are about ninety essential nutrients our body needs every day.
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Speaker 2: Sixty of those are minerals. If we are not getting those,
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Speaker 2: something's going to break down. Like your car if you
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Speaker 2: don't put the right oil in, if you don't put
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Speaker 2: the right gas in, it's not going to run right.
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Speaker 2: So if we can identify some of these impediments and
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Speaker 2: do something about them, if we can identify some of
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Speaker 2: the tools that are missing, the body uses its intelligence
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Speaker 2: to then close that gap. In that gap, we get
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Speaker 2: these symptoms that alert us that something is wrong, and
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Speaker 2: we typically will gather symptoms together and give them a name.
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Speaker 2: It's usually a Latin name, yes, or it's the name
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Speaker 2: of the doctor that coined the phrase, like Alzheimer's or Parkinson's.
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Speaker 2: Those are named after the doctor, and I see the
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Speaker 2: value of naming them. If you go into your doctor
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Speaker 2: and say, my joint's heart and they're inflamed, he might say, Okay,
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Speaker 2: we're going to run some tests, see what's going on.
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Speaker 2: You come back next week and he says, good news,
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Speaker 2: we have a diagnosis. You have arthritis. He just said
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Speaker 2: to you in Latin what you said in English. But
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Speaker 2: when we say it in English, why do we think
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Speaker 2: it's normal that all Americans pretty much as they age
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Speaker 2: get inflammation in their joints to the point that it's crippling.
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Speaker 2: That doesn't sound normal. But when you say everyone gets arthritis,
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Speaker 2: somehow we seem to think that's normal. So I try
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Speaker 2: to demystify it a little bit for people. Let's identify
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Speaker 2: the impediments, let's identify the missing tools, and let the
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Speaker 2: body close the gap.
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Speaker 1: And when you say you just said it in English
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Speaker 1: for context, what you mean is when you went into
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Speaker 1: the doctors in the first place, saying my joints hurt,
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Speaker 1: My joints hurt. That's basically what you're getting at. Yes,
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Speaker 1: for context, Yet he gives it a name, it's identified
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Speaker 1: in terms of a diagnosis, and then usually a pharmaceutical
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Speaker 1: is offered, but there aren't enough people asking why is
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Speaker 1: the joint inflame?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Do you agree?
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Speaker 2: Yes? Absolutely. In another context, cholesterol is a big one.
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Speaker 2: Let me lay out the difference between different types of medicine.
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Speaker 2: When you go to your conventional doctor and your cholesterol
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Speaker 2: is elevated, you're likely to get a statin to bring
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Speaker 2: that down. Now, if you stop taking the statin, the
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Speaker 2: cholesterol will rise again because we didn't address the root
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Speaker 2: cause of why in the first place exactly. Functional practitioners
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Speaker 2: will give you something like red yeast Rise or Bergamo
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Speaker 2: and that will effectively lower it without the toxic side
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Speaker 2: effects of a statin, but as soon as you get
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Speaker 2: off of them, it will rise again. When you see
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Speaker 2: a holistic practitioner or a nature path the first question
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Speaker 2: is going to be well, first of all, is it
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Speaker 2: really high because two one or two oh six is
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Speaker 2: not really high. But if it is rising, why what
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Speaker 2: is the body trying to do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and oftentimes if you find out that answer, what
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Speaker 1: you're going to use to fuel health mitigates. Like you
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Speaker 1: said this very quickly, but I want this to land.
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Speaker 1: The harmful side effects of something like a statin would
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Speaker 1: be your assertion, because a lot of people watching this program,
16:56
Speaker 1: there's still again many of you on the fence. You're
16:58
Speaker 1: not sure yet what to make this crazy talk about
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Speaker 1: natural medicine versus traditional medicine, and that might be the
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Speaker 1: first thing that they ask. Yeah, but if the staton
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Speaker 1: lowers the harmful cholesterol, why not take it? And by
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Speaker 1: the way, I'm seeing this war on social media right
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Speaker 1: now on GLP ones, and people are saying to me
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Speaker 1: when I've kind of pushed back on GLP ones, They're saying, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but what's worse having a heart attack because I'm obese,
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Speaker 1: or what's worse me suffering from mobility issues because I'm overweight. Look,
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Speaker 1: I am not disparaging the people that are upset with me,
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Speaker 1: even I understand that this is just decades and decades
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Speaker 1: of us being conditioned to take a medicinal intervention to
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Speaker 1: fix a problem. But to those people, I see them
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Speaker 1: as victims of a system that wants them to take
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Speaker 1: that position because again, and I love you all, but
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Speaker 1: why are you struggling with obesity? Is the fork and
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Speaker 1: the plate being addressed at all? Is this sounding judgmental
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Speaker 1: and kind of I'm on a stump today or is
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Speaker 1: this resonating because I mean it from my heart and love,
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Speaker 1: but I feel sorry for these people who have never
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Speaker 1: been told, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: if you're struggling with weight, let's look at your thyroid
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Speaker 1: properly and thoroughly, let's look at what you're eating. But
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Speaker 1: that's not what's happening. And then they're told, yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: the risks of type two diabetes are much much worse
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Speaker 1: than maybe this intervention, And it's.
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Speaker 2: A literal war.
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Speaker 1: This program exists because this is a war over the
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Speaker 1: mind of an entire generation that believes in this system.
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Speaker 1: And again, we're not disparaging the doctors, but we want
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Speaker 1: to see true health restored for people, not symptoms masked.
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Speaker 3: I think it needs to be said too that Joe,
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Speaker 3: both you and I have been on that side where
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Speaker 3: we were relying on pharmaceuticals and we weren't getting better.
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Speaker 3: So if you are watching this and you haven't seen
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Speaker 3: our pilot episode or episode number two, where we talk
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Speaker 3: about our journey from conventional medicine to more of a
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Speaker 3: traditional path because the conventional weight was not giving us
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Speaker 3: the answers we needed. Please, I encourage you to go
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Speaker 3: back and watch the pilot in episode two. So this
18:56
Speaker 3: is coming from a place of compassion and care that
18:59
Speaker 3: we want people to find real health and healing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is personal for us. That's a great point.
19:08
Speaker 1: And these programs always go way too fast. There's a
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Speaker 1: couple of things I want to get at before we
19:13
Speaker 1: run out of time. Here. I've been to your clinic.
19:16
Speaker 1: I was there about what five weeks ago. Is a
19:18
Speaker 1: beautiful clinic. Super impressed. I pull up PhD on the window.
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Speaker 1: This gal has it going on, nice staff, beautiful wall
19:25
Speaker 1: of supplemental interventions. And then just within a few moments,
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Speaker 1: I could see your vision you're building on. It looks expansive.
19:31
Speaker 1: There's growth this movement. I call it like an exodus
19:35
Speaker 1: from Babylon. You're seeing farmers' markets pop up. You're seeing
19:38
Speaker 1: people pursue health conferences, and they are waking up to
19:42
Speaker 1: the fact that maybe some of the messaging on how
19:44
Speaker 1: we deal with viruses has been a train wreck, and
19:47
Speaker 1: maybe how we deal with our immune systems has been
19:49
Speaker 1: an abject train wreck. And they're getting more and more
19:52
Speaker 1: in a way. They don't just trust the mainstream media
19:55
Speaker 1: with their health decisions anymore. They've seen the costs, the
19:57
Speaker 1: side effects when somebody comes to you or clinic. First
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Speaker 1: of all, where is it? How can somebody learn more
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Speaker 1: about you online? And do you do things like remote
20:06
Speaker 1: or zoom interventions where somebody living let's say in you know, Chicago,
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Speaker 1: just can't come see you here in the Midwest. Walk
20:13
Speaker 1: us through that, because I guarantee you there's people watching
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Speaker 1: this program right now, like okay, I got to talk
20:17
Speaker 1: to this doctor Ann Hines.
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Speaker 2: Yes, we are located in Willow Springs, Missouri, which is
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Speaker 2: a small town east of Springfield, about eighty miles on
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Speaker 2: Highway sixty. I do remote. We actually have a map
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Speaker 2: up of patients all over the country. It's amazing. So
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Speaker 2: you can come in person, or we can do it
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Speaker 2: over zoom. Most of the work can be done over zoom.
20:37
Speaker 2: But when you come to my clinic as a patient,
20:39
Speaker 2: the first thing that I do is listen. Your average
20:42
Speaker 2: doctor visit in the country is ten or fifteen minutes.
20:44
Speaker 2: I can't even begin to understand where you are in
20:47
Speaker 2: ten or fifteen minutes. So your first appointment's going to
20:49
Speaker 2: be a good hour and a half, maybe two hours.
20:51
Speaker 2: I think ours was a little longer.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I went and saw doctor Ann and we just
20:55
Speaker 1: talked for like two hours, and I was so impressed
20:58
Speaker 1: at the kind of time you put aside for me.
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Speaker 1: It was amazing.
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Speaker 2: Yes, well, that's very important for me because when you
21:04
Speaker 2: are talking, I am listening for clues to understand. Sometimes
21:07
Speaker 2: a little comment that may not seem important is a
21:10
Speaker 2: lynchpin for me in understanding what's going on with your physiology.
21:14
Speaker 2: And then the next thing I do is a series
21:16
Speaker 2: of testing. I will use the lab work that you
21:19
Speaker 2: may already have and let me jump off for just
21:21
Speaker 2: a moment and say something about the conventional doctors they
21:24
Speaker 2: are waking up to. I will tell you that in
21:27
Speaker 2: the span of over thirty years that I've been working,
21:29
Speaker 2: I've gone from being fringe and a pariah to having
21:33
Speaker 2: a very good working relationship with the doctors in my area,
21:37
Speaker 2: and so we're able to work cooperatively for the benefit
21:40
Speaker 2: of our patient. I will communicate with them with what
21:42
Speaker 2: I'm doing. If they need medication changes, we'll discuss that.
21:46
Speaker 2: I have a very good relationship, and I have to
21:47
Speaker 2: say I've been very impressed with myriad doctors in my
21:51
Speaker 2: area that truly want their patients to get well and
21:54
Speaker 2: are open to other paths of getting them well. So
21:58
Speaker 2: I do testing in adition into labs. I will do
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Speaker 2: DNA Genetic testing is really one of the backbones of
22:04
Speaker 2: what I do because that is literally the blueprint of you.
22:07
Speaker 2: I do tissue mineral analysis that's through a sample of
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Speaker 2: your hair. Back to what I was saying about those
22:11
Speaker 2: ninety nutrients, and sixty of them are minerals, those mineral
22:15
Speaker 2: interactions that are driving the biology in our in our bodies.
22:19
Speaker 2: I do fatty acid testing. You know, Omega threes get
22:22
Speaker 2: a lot of talk fish oil. If you eat wild
22:25
Speaker 2: caught salmon every single day, you're still not getting enough
22:28
Speaker 2: omega three. It really does need to be a supplement,
22:31
Speaker 2: and so I do a testing to that because I
22:33
Speaker 2: don't like to guess. I like to know where you
22:35
Speaker 2: are and I like to see the numbers change. I
22:38
Speaker 2: want my patients to come back and subjectively tell me
22:40
Speaker 2: that they feel better, but I also want to see
22:42
Speaker 2: the numbers change on the lab. I want to get
22:45
Speaker 2: them well and then send them on their way so
22:47
Speaker 2: that they are no longer dependent on me, because over
22:50
Speaker 2: the course of the time we're working together, I'm going
22:52
Speaker 2: to teach you about your body and how to maintain
22:55
Speaker 2: that health.
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Speaker 1: One of the things that you said when I was
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Speaker 1: at your clinic several weeks ago that I have not forgotten.
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Speaker 1: This was so profound because I've lived through this in
23:05
Speaker 1: both allopathic and then early on in naturopathic medicine as well.
23:09
Speaker 1: In fact, I wrote about in my book time Bomb.
23:11
Speaker 1: One of the first experiences I had with a naturopathic
23:14
Speaker 1: doctor was not a good one. It was a wall
23:17
Speaker 1: of money up front, no results whatsoever, and my wife
23:20
Speaker 1: is here would a test. This is not me being
23:22
Speaker 1: a victim, because I've given lots of praise to people
23:25
Speaker 1: like Matthew Sam's and doctor Ralph Embriaco and Josh Vance
23:28
Speaker 1: and my good buddy Daniel Belt. This is not me
23:30
Speaker 1: being a victim. I've said these people helped me a
23:32
Speaker 1: lot before they came along. My first one was not
23:34
Speaker 1: a good experience, and I didn't put her name in
23:36
Speaker 1: the book. It was one of those everything's a paywall,
23:39
Speaker 1: wall of cash, every test, no revelation, and then no access,
23:44
Speaker 1: no availability. I had very basic questions and I took
23:47
Speaker 1: her literally every assignment. She said, just eat bone broth.
23:49
Speaker 1: I went home and almost starve myself to death. My
23:52
Speaker 1: wife watching me do this for a week, I'm like
23:55
Speaker 1: shaken and I'm withdrawal and I have no carbs in
23:57
Speaker 1: my body at all, Like straight from zero to one
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Speaker 1: thousand overnight, was just drinking bone broth because she said,
24:04
Speaker 1: drink bone broth. And I'm thinking, maybe this is like
24:07
Speaker 1: a cleanse. I don't know what's happening anyway, not a
24:10
Speaker 1: good experience, and I don't want to go any further
24:13
Speaker 1: into details with that. But one of the things that
24:14
Speaker 1: you said that I absolutely loved, and it was very
24:16
Speaker 1: profound with just a couple of minutes left on the clock,
24:19
Speaker 1: is you said, I want to address what's happening in
24:22
Speaker 1: the patient's body, but I want to do it in
24:24
Speaker 1: the right sequence, in the right order. That is so important.
24:27
Speaker 1: I tell people as a holistic health practitioner board certified
24:31
Speaker 1: through the American Association of Drugglist Practitioners, people ask me
24:34
Speaker 1: questions and I tell them, do not do this fast
24:37
Speaker 1: moving parasite detox that you're seeing online. Do not do
24:41
Speaker 1: this quick paced liver detox. If you do this out
24:44
Speaker 1: of order, you end up with all kinds of detox illness.
24:47
Speaker 1: To Hrzeimer's effect, you may end up with your liver
24:49
Speaker 1: is like unable to keep up, and then suddenly the
24:51
Speaker 1: enzymes are through the sky and you're very ill and
24:53
Speaker 1: you're very weak, and you need in a lot of cases,
24:56
Speaker 1: if it's really really bad, in my view, you need
24:59
Speaker 1: to be coached by someone who knows where to begin.
25:01
Speaker 1: And it's not always the quick thirty second YouTube gimmick
25:05
Speaker 1: video that says, hey, this is the thing to all
25:07
Speaker 1: your problems. You have a sequence, and it's usually tailored
25:11
Speaker 1: to the person.
25:12
Speaker 2: Yes, not a mass.
25:13
Speaker 1: Conglomerate of copy paste people. It's the actual patient. Your
25:17
Speaker 1: approach is tailored and is very accustomed to what you're
25:20
Speaker 1: seeing their body needs. And something like a mineral test
25:23
Speaker 1: that's not even a blood draw, you could walk in
25:26
Speaker 1: in any condition and have that done right.
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Speaker 2: Correct. Correct. Yeah. I don't write the same protocol twice ever,
25:33
Speaker 2: and I don't write disease based protocols. I write people
25:36
Speaker 2: based protocols, and I think That's an important distinction. And
25:40
Speaker 2: then what you said about the sequencing is so important because,
25:43
Speaker 2: for instance, you know somebody says, oh, I think I
25:45
Speaker 2: have adrenal issues, and they're going to take this adrenal
25:47
Speaker 2: stimulant and it's going to make them worse because they
25:50
Speaker 2: aren't ready for that step. You have to look at
25:52
Speaker 2: where the bottlenecks are.
25:54
Speaker 1: Hen's going up all over the building. If that's you,
25:56
Speaker 1: raise your hand. That was me. I remember taking an
25:59
Speaker 1: adrenal stimulu at Disneyland one year early on, thinking it
26:02
Speaker 1: was going to help me in Oh my word, I
26:04
Speaker 1: was almost passing out. It was like, anyway, this isn't
26:07
Speaker 1: about me. I love that you're pragmatic about the process.
26:11
Speaker 1: In just a minute, because we're almost out of time,
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Speaker 1: doctor Anne. At the end of the day, what is
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Speaker 1: your goal for a patient that sees you.
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Speaker 2: My goal is to give them independence from me. I
26:22
Speaker 2: don't want a continuous patient. I want them to get
26:25
Speaker 2: well enough and be educated enough that they can maintain
26:28
Speaker 2: their health. And then I recommend they come in and
26:30
Speaker 2: check in with me, maybe once a year or something.
26:32
Speaker 2: We'll run a couple of basic tests to make sure
26:34
Speaker 2: they're still in range. How long it takes for them
26:38
Speaker 2: to get there depends on what condition they're in and
26:40
Speaker 2: how hard they're willing to work. Some people get there
26:42
Speaker 2: rather quickly. I had an eighty five year old that
26:45
Speaker 2: I just graduated. That's what I call it when I
26:46
Speaker 2: graduate them. It only took her ten months, and that's
26:50
Speaker 2: at eighty five years old. She's made incredible changes. And
26:53
Speaker 2: I have lots of stories like that. I know we're
26:55
Speaker 2: out of time, so I can't tell more of them,
26:57
Speaker 2: but that's always my goal, is to get them to
26:59
Speaker 2: that point where they are stable and they can manage
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Speaker 2: their own health and go on about living their lives.
27:05
Speaker 1: And that is honestly so unique to the thinking of
27:08
Speaker 1: natural medicine. Again, that's one of the things I appreciate
27:12
Speaker 1: about you. And we're basically out of time, but it
27:14
Speaker 1: isn't your goal to put somebody on one medication and
27:17
Speaker 1: then three medications and seven medications, and then ten years
27:19
Speaker 1: later they're on oxygen. And so if you look at
27:21
Speaker 1: the results of those two lanes, one of them being
27:24
Speaker 1: natural and the other one not, I think it's clear
27:26
Speaker 1: at this point what side of the aisle I fall on.
27:29
Speaker 1: How many of you think we need doctor and to
27:31
Speaker 1: come back again next week. Unfortunately we're all out of time.
27:39
Speaker 1: I hope you learned something profound today that maybe was
27:42
Speaker 1: your matrix moment where God is going to begin to
27:44
Speaker 1: move in your life and show you a new path
27:46
Speaker 1: for your healing journey. For everybody here in studio, doctor
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Speaker 1: Ann Heinz, Jamie, thank you so much for being back
27:52
Speaker 1: with us again this week right here on Life TV.
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Speaker 1: Now keep your eyes on the prize, which is Jesus Christ.
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Speaker 1: We'll be back
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