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How to Get Your Start In The Entertainment Industry with Jake Fleischman · Clyde Confidential

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  Speaker 1: My title was coordinator and I never said that out loud.
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  Speaker 1: And I said to them, I will never say that
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  Speaker 1: word out loud. I will introduce myself as a manager.
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  Speaker 1: You're not paying me enough to tell me what title
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  Speaker 1: to call me, honestly.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, guys, welcome back to another episode of Clyde Confidential.
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  Speaker 3: Today.
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  Speaker 2: I have a very good friend and kind of a colleague.
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  Speaker 2: I guess we could say that my dear friend, Jake Fleischman,
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  Speaker 2: who is a manager at Untitled Entertainment.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome Jake, thank you, thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 3: You're so welcome. Jake was very quick to say yes,
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  Speaker 3: but once he got here, he was like, there's a camera.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're real nervous coming in.
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  Speaker 1: You're in full glam. I rolled out of bed.
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  Speaker 3: I'm supposed to throw me under the busy.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, second person to do this on the podcast.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm a girl.
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  Speaker 1: You said it was casual.
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  Speaker 3: It is casual. I'm in leg. Here's chill. How are you.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't seen you since the summer.
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  Speaker 1: I'm good. I've been Yeah. Jason's party, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Very fun party.
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  Speaker 2: I brought my parents party that I did.
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  Speaker 3: Hang out with your parents after and it was really fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I haven't been here since then pretty much.
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  Speaker 3: You've been where everywhere else? Tell us.
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  Speaker 1: I was in La well, actually, in fairness, I was
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  Speaker 1: there the rest of the summer and that working, and
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  Speaker 1: then uh I was in Tellur, Ride, Venice, London, Toronto,
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  Speaker 1: La Home, back to La. Now I'm on your couch.
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  Speaker 3: That's cuckoo.
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  Speaker 1: Cuckoo.
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  Speaker 3: Do you go to every festival?
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  Speaker 1: No, I really don't go anywhere a client is not.
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  Speaker 3: I don't only go to a festival.
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  Speaker 1: If you have I go to a festso if I
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  Speaker 1: need to be there, same thing with events. I just like,
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather be on my couch with my dog.
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  Speaker 3: How is Moose?
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  Speaker 1: He's good. He's a camp right now.
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  Speaker 3: What is that daycare that Moose goes to the lake? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's the best. So you know that
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  Speaker 1: guy who goes up to people on the street and
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  Speaker 1: is like, what do you do for a living or
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  Speaker 1: how much you make in a year? Yeah, So they
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  Speaker 1: approached Chad, this guy who runs Bark and Burn was
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  Speaker 1: loading dogs into the van and I feel like that's planned.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's by the way, when I say van,
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  Speaker 1: it's this like gorgeous sprinter like I think Jay Z
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  Speaker 1: and Beyonce of the same one. It's stunning. It's like
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  Speaker 1: Matt Gray. The inside is you could eat off the floor.
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  Speaker 1: But there's twenty dogs in the back.
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  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: And the guy walks up, Oh what do you do
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  Speaker 1: or whatever? They say, what do you make in a year?
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  Speaker 1: And Moose was the dog he was loading. So I
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  Speaker 1: woke up one morning I forgot where I was because
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  Speaker 1: obviously I was in a place where I was sleeping
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  Speaker 1: when everyone's awake, and to like fifty Instagram dms, which like,
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  Speaker 1: at first I was really excited, and then no.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, I wish and it's all people forwarding me this
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  Speaker 1: video of Moose. The opening of the video is this
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  Speaker 1: guy walking up to him, and Moose seeing this guy
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  Speaker 1: and immediately rolling over on his back to get BALI
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  Speaker 1: roads obviously have a very protective dog, and they showed
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  Speaker 1: kind of what he does, and it's the most incredible.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I have a sixty pound lab and I
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  Speaker 1: live in New York City. It would be really unfair
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  Speaker 1: to I mean, I know lots of dogs do it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's fine. All they want to do is
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  Speaker 1: sleep anyways. Yeah, but I think for a three year
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  Speaker 1: old puppy who was used to La by the way
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  Speaker 1: I got him when I lived in La, I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to get him out of the city. So four days
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  Speaker 1: a week he gets in this van and Chad picks
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  Speaker 1: a different like reserve or you know, park somewhere outside
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  Speaker 1: the city, drives them an hour. They swim, they run,
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  Speaker 1: they chase him on a bike and they'll do like
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  Speaker 1: five seven on Fridays it's Golden Duah and they'll do
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  Speaker 1: ten to fifteen miles.
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  Speaker 3: Insane.
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  Speaker 1: Moose is so tired when he gets home, it's heaven.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't even really want to go out at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the night.
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  Speaker 2: Like I've seen the videos on Instagram, and this guy
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  Speaker 2: has how many dogs at a time, like twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Dogs, I think it's fifteen to twenty.
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  Speaker 2: And they go on these trails and they're off leash
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  Speaker 2: and they're all following him like a wolf pack, and
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  Speaker 2: it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: And I know you're having Gabby so showed. Maybe I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why you'd be talking about this again, but
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  Speaker 1: if you bring this up. Yeah, I got Chad to
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  Speaker 1: invite her two dogs to the program, and she.
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  Speaker 3: Told me she was very grateful.
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  Speaker 1: And because it's a life saver, I go to an
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  Speaker 1: office every day. Yeah, I felt so bad leaving him
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  Speaker 1: at home for eight hours and then needing a walker
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  Speaker 1: to come to, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And this core so walker who you trust. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So she was insistent with Chad that he brings both
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  Speaker 1: her dogs at the same time, and Chad said, I'd
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  Speaker 1: really rather bring one than the next than both them together.
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  Speaker 1: But Abby persisted and he brought both and they failed
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  Speaker 1: out of their test day pretty much, and Chad said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm willing to try it again with one dog at
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  Speaker 1: a time if my way and the way after that,
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  Speaker 1: they were totally fine and part of the pack. This
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  Speaker 1: guy just knows dogs so well. It's really amazing.
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  Speaker 3: How long how did you find him? And how long
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  Speaker 3: has he been doing this?
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  Speaker 1: He's been doing it since twenty twenty. I really actually,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I knew a little bit about kind of
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  Speaker 1: how he got into it from knowing him, but I
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  Speaker 1: learned most of it on this Instagram video everyone's sending me.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy he got into bark and burn.
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  Speaker 2: Bark and Burn. Everyone needs to watch this account. It's
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  Speaker 2: It's also just such a shot of dot womine going
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  Speaker 2: on Instagram and watching these dogs.
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  Speaker 1: Like swim and I sit at my desk the birthdays.
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  Speaker 1: The birthdays kill me, and my dog is glued and free.
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  Speaker 1: He's allergic to grain, so he has to sit and
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  Speaker 1: watch these cakes be fed to the other dogs and
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  Speaker 1: can't have any. It breaks my heart. It's so sad,
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  Speaker 1: but also it's kind of funny. It's funny because Moss
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  Speaker 1: just sits there and knows he can't have it, and
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  Speaker 1: his like the head kind of goes down. And I
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  Speaker 1: know I shouldn't be laughing at my dog's sadness, but
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  Speaker 1: it's really funny.
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  Speaker 3: It's good.
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  Speaker 1: But and I think now he's like a four hundred
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  Speaker 1: dog four hundred plus dog weightlist. I mean, of all the.
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  Speaker 3: Relationship to get in touch, and I was placed on
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  Speaker 3: the weight list.
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  Speaker 1: Of all the relationships I have on this on this planet,
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  Speaker 1: in this world. From my job, what is most wanted
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  Speaker 1: out of me is skipping the weightlist into bark and burn.
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  Speaker 1: I get a text about bark and burn every day.
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  Speaker 3: That's hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: Every day text about bark and burn and not hey,
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  Speaker 2: can you get me into via groded?
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  Speaker 1: Literally it's yeah, truly, it's that and like my parents
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  Speaker 1: wanting to get to SNL. It's like those two, have
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  Speaker 1: you taken them yet? No, but I've been bothering them.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, and I do prioritize my parents
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  Speaker 1: more than like anything.
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  Speaker 3: They're great, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: The best. Yes, truly, I mean the best. Yeah, I've
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  Speaker 1: never taken it seriously, like I've never even I don't
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  Speaker 1: think i've ever even asked carry or anyone there. Like
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  Speaker 1: my parents. My dad has watched every episode since fifty
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  Speaker 1: Oh it can curse fifty fucking years ago. It's so exciting.
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  Speaker 1: So and then I finally like sent the text, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I've really never asked for anything. I
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  Speaker 1: need this great.
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  Speaker 3: You should go. Is your dad's coming up? Is there
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  Speaker 3: an anniversary they can go with them? You should go
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  Speaker 3: with them. It would be so special. Well, I also
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  Speaker 3: would like to go to SNEL, but I've got my
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  Speaker 3: own people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're okay. Yeah, you don't need me.
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  Speaker 1: I need you.
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  Speaker 3: We need each other.
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  Speaker 2: And well there will be a time where I spoke
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  Speaker 2: with someone about this the other day, just the importance
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  Speaker 2: of doing things for people without asking for anything in return.
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  Speaker 2: Because down the road they're going to remember that you
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  Speaker 2: did something for them and then they'll looking to.
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  Speaker 3: Help you out.
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  Speaker 1: And the way I look at it is like one,
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  Speaker 1: I'm the first to be like, sure, easy done. And
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  Speaker 1: it's actually something I really saw in Jason, right Weineberg
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  Speaker 1: my boss.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, by the way, I think I've brought him up
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  Speaker 2: on every single episode, so there, but we're pure pressuring.
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  Speaker 3: Him to come on the podcast. So this is good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Jason so quickly says yes to everyone who
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  Speaker 1: asked him for help. He could have met them the
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  Speaker 1: day before. They could have been his waiter, his uber.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but like anything, and he's so willing
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  Speaker 1: to help so quickly. And I mean, I've only been
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  Speaker 1: at Untitled for six months, but I've known Jason's.
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  Speaker 3: Only six months. Yeah, I feel so much longer than that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny. I also hear that at the office, but
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's just because I'm too loud. But it's only
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  Speaker 1: been six months, you.
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  Speaker 4: Were like that, it feels like it's been six.
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  Speaker 1: Years literally literally, And but Jason, it's something I think
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  Speaker 1: we had in common. Obviously him far beyond me, but
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  Speaker 1: it is something I saw on him that. I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: there's a similarity there, Like I've always just quick been
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  Speaker 1: so quick to say yes. I can be mad at
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  Speaker 1: people and say yes, and I'm like, why did I
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  Speaker 1: do that? I mean literally, we were just talking abot SVB.
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  Speaker 1: Like a friend who pissed me the fuck off last
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  Speaker 1: week and never apologize. His first text to me was
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  Speaker 1: I need help getting into SVB. And I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I maybe I forgot I was mad at him
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  Speaker 1: for the moment, but it was like I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: of course, you know, not that I have any sway there,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, I think it's a feeling. They don't really
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  Speaker 1: listen to me. I just like push and push and push,
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  Speaker 1: and I think, number one, it doesn't take anything from me, right.
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  Speaker 1: There are certain things of course that like you're calling
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  Speaker 1: in a favor, fine, but even still, I I I
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  Speaker 1: think because I operate in such a way, this is
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  Speaker 1: like you have to be self aware. I don't even
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  Speaker 1: if it's true about myself.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows you are self aware?
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  Speaker 1: But but I operate in such a way of I
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  Speaker 1: don't really think when I'm if someone asked me to help,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna help. So I hope that in return when
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  Speaker 1: I do call in those favors, which are rare. I've
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  Speaker 1: tried to build a life where I don't really need
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  Speaker 1: to ask for favors. Yeah right, I think because there
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  Speaker 1: are people I'm not one. You know, I have a
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  Speaker 1: friend actually who I know. Every time someone asked that
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  Speaker 1: person for something, you are indebted to them, whatever level
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  Speaker 1: of they're keeping tasks. And I think it is the
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  Speaker 1: most disgusting trait I have ever seen. I hate it.
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  Speaker 1: I hate it. I forget one. I just forget almost everything,
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  Speaker 1: which I don't know how. I'm a manager, just kidding.
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  Speaker 1: I remember the important things. What I don't ever remember
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  Speaker 1: is like if I help someone on people. Someone said
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  Speaker 1: it the other day, like, oh my god, you remember
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  Speaker 1: when you dragged me. This is dating back now to
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  Speaker 1: like right after college, but like I dragged someone into
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  Speaker 1: a club. I don't remember this, And I was like no,
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  Speaker 1: but it's that a hundred times over. It's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: why would I allow helping someone to get into via
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  Speaker 1: coroda or wherever or SVB or you know, help them
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  Speaker 1: figure out a flight path to somewhere. Why would that
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  Speaker 1: keep brain space? Like I don't have the space in
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  Speaker 1: my brain for that I have nineteen clients, yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: a little brother and parents who I have now become
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  Speaker 1: their full travel agent and manager and assistant too, like
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  Speaker 1: my brother too, his girlfriend. Like inclusive of all, there's
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  Speaker 1: like twenty five people, including myself and Moose obviously.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to.
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  Speaker 1: I'm tracking everything in their lives. I don't have time
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  Speaker 1: to remember a favor I did for someone, or or
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  Speaker 1: being mad at a friend. Like you just kind of
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  Speaker 1: become a machine about it.
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  Speaker 3: When did you what you were? You? You were?
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  Speaker 2: I graduated college twenty fifteen, Okay, okay, so I'm only
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  Speaker 2: one year older than you.
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  Speaker 3: I was twenty fourteen. And when you when you graduated,
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  Speaker 3: you went into.
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  Speaker 1: The mailroom right right away, well kind of right away?
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  Speaker 3: How did you do that?
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  Speaker 2: Because I think one of the biggest questions, yeah, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of younger folks is when I graduate, do how
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  Speaker 2: do I work in entertainment?
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  Speaker 3: Do I go into a mail room? Do what internship?
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  Speaker 3: Do I get? What did that look like for you?
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  Speaker 2: And how early on did you know that you want
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  Speaker 2: to become this big boss manager?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's relax. Well, back up, I knew I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do this, and I know this is so not
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  Speaker 1: the norm. I wanted to be a talent representative when
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  Speaker 1: I was fourteen years old. And I hate saying this
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  Speaker 1: out loud, say it well, it was twofold. One half
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  Speaker 1: I hate saying out loud. The other half is great.
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  Speaker 1: I saw Entourage and I was like, Wow, I want
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  Speaker 1: to be Ari Gold. But I think I like men.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, can you do both? And I
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  Speaker 1: grew up in Connecticut. I didn't know a single person
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  Speaker 1: in entertainment. I knew that my neighbor a few houses
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  Speaker 1: down were Frank Gifford and Kathy Lee, and I knew
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  Speaker 1: they were on TV. And he played football. I played football,
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  Speaker 1: one of the greatest football players of all time. You know.
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  Speaker 1: That was the closest. And then this guy, something Bartel's.
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  Speaker 1: He was the CEO of Island def Jam and my
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  Speaker 1: little brother was friends with his son. Those were my
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  Speaker 1: only two remotely. And my neighbor who actually ended up
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  Speaker 1: not convincing me, but was the one to really push
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  Speaker 1: me to apply. Mike Perlis, who was the CEO of
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  Speaker 1: Playboy and then the CEO of Forbes, and he had
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  Speaker 1: gone to New House and he's the one who explained
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  Speaker 1: to me what an amazing opportunity the New House School
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  Speaker 1: at Syracuse was I mean, I didn't. I was thinking about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, small liberal arts schools in the Northeast. I
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: was not thinking a big school. I you know, I
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  Speaker 1: had no interest in sports really, you know, cheering them on.
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  Speaker 1: I always played sports as a kid, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I was competitive skier my whole life, but
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  Speaker 1: I never watched sports, and I knew Syracuse that was important.
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  Speaker 1: It was actually an anxiety of mine, like I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to go to school that revolves around these sports teams.
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  Speaker 1: But he convinced me that New House was so singular
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  Speaker 1: and amazing, and I ended up going there. But those
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  Speaker 1: were my touch points centertainment so barely there you early on,
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  Speaker 1: you early on.
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  Speaker 3: I think it is kind of rare for people totally.
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  Speaker 2: There's still young twenty two year old and twenty three
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  Speaker 2: year olds who don't really know what they want to
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  Speaker 2: do when they get spit out from college and dumped
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  Speaker 2: into not dumped into New York.
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  Speaker 3: But like, yeah, no, truth, there's no handbook.
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  Speaker 1: But by the way, we have friends our age who
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  Speaker 1: still don't know what they want to do.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know until my late twenties. Really, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: But and I think that's more than fine. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's actually I don't know the word, but I mean
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  Speaker 1: I do, I just can't think of it. There's something
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  Speaker 1: really beautiful, I think, and intriguing and interesting to me
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  Speaker 1: of the people that I know who are still just
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  Speaker 1: trying to find their path and kind of flow through
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  Speaker 1: life in this really natural way, similarly to an artist
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  Speaker 1: in a way. I've never had that freedom, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I've always been and I'm not saying this is a negative,
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  Speaker 1: but I have always been so locked on a path
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  Speaker 1: that I don't know that kind of role with it mentality.
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  Speaker 1: I've never had it. I funny enough, and this relates
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  Speaker 1: to dating more than anything. But like song with my
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  Speaker 1: therapists and I got out of therapy and I texted
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  Speaker 1: ten friends. I want to know what's the thing people like?
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  Speaker 1: I know what you all think of me? Or a
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  Speaker 1: version of it, maybe you fucking hate me, who knows,
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  Speaker 1: But like, what are when I walk into a room?
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  Speaker 1: What is it that people who don't really know me think?
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  Speaker 1: You know, like there's a million versions of it, right,
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  Speaker 1: Oh he seems really cool, but he thinks he's better
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  Speaker 1: than you, or oh he seems really cool, but he's
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  Speaker 1: never whatever.
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  Speaker 3: It is you asked your friends question.
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  Speaker 1: A handful of them in relation to dating more than anything,
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  Speaker 1: to see how self aware I am. Really. But the
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  Speaker 1: reason I bring this up this was literally yesterday. The
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  Speaker 1: reason I bring this up is because almost every single
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  Speaker 1: one of them had nice things to say, obviously because
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: they wanted to. And I said, like, be me, be blunt,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: like tell me the things that could be hurtful. I've
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: prepared myself for your answers. They all said a lot
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: of nice things, but they also every single one of
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: them said, you are so direct that sometimes you turn
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: people off because you will say you you cut to
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: the point, you say how you feel, and you call
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: people out. And in fairness, I welcome people to call
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: me out. I need it all the time. I can
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: be a fucking preck the first to say it, and
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: I can totally get locked in my own path and
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: forget to consider others. And things that said, like gay
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Ski Week, you know I plan for forty people Like
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: it's a weird balance. But point being, the fuck did
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: we get here? We were talking. There's a reason. It
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: was about directness, what you want to do, knowing what
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: you want to do. Okay, thank you, good job. Glad
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: someone hears a brain, because I've been that way since
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: I was fourteen. And it's funny. We both know Marty
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Sands and I think it's wet. I know we'll circle back,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: we have to, We'll circle back to Marty. Marty needs
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: air time. We know Marty, we know we got un
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: we got you so but but I tell this story
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: as Marty, but I'm actually not convinced it was Marty.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Around when I was that age, when auntourage came out
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: all this somebody and I wish I remembered who, And
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I swear just put Marty's face on it because it
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, asked me what I wanted to do,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: and I think I said a version of do what
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: my dad does. And my dad's a lawyer. My dad
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: had an incredible career as a DA in the Justice
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Department and then in class action litigation. And I just
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: thought it was the coolest thing ever. Like he tried
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: these big cases, he talked to presidents, he you know,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: he would these grand jury trials with all this evidence
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: out on the table, and I thought that was one
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: of the most theatrical things I had ever seen in
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: real life, you know, or at least been told stories about,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: and that person, whoever it was, set a version of
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: you don't want to live in your dad's shadow. But
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I loved movies my whole life. I've been obsessed. I
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: sit in front of a TV and watch movies and
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: TV my entire life, and kind of the the intersection
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: of those two things was to be a Hollywood agent,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote, And so it stuck. And I
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: went into Rite Country day and I was like, teach
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: me how to be this and they were and they
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: were like, take photography, because like, what does a private
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: school in Westchester County really know about that? And I
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: was so lucky. I had this incredible photography teacher. Her
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: name was Linda Greenhouse. I will never forget her, and
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: she took a real interest in me and took time
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: to learn what to tell me about in this entertainment world,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: which put me on the path of Syracuse. Went to
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: a new house where I actually learned some things. There
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: are incredible professors there. I think there's senior year. I
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: took camm Law, which is really for people headed in
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the path of either going to business affairs or becoming
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: entertainment lawyers or any kind of lawyer in the space.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: But that is probably the class that I still refer
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: back to to this day and was taught things that
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: are relevant to my career. So I went to the
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: new house, I graduated, I moved home. I applied for
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: every agency. I applied to ICM.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: How did you do this, by the way back in
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: the day, because this is over ten years ago, sure,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: which is so dark?
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: So dark?
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Don't say that. I really again, I didn't know anyone
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: in entertainment, so I think I just applied on I
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: mean I there was a well, actually I do know.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: So did you go on those websites?
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Let me back up.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I applied to all of them online prior to Clyde.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: How did you get prior to Clyde? Yeah, prior to Clyde.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: I applied online. I googled, or I researched the big agencies,
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: and I knew is ICM, and UTA and CIA and WM.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: And maybe. I applied to GERSH and a few of
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: the others and I never heard back from WA. I
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: got an interview at ICM, I got an interview at UTA,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and I, farther down the line, got an interview at
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: CIA those three, and I remember I flew to LA.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: My parents got me a plane ticket to LA and
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I stayed at that hotel that's right across from CIA
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: from my interview, the Intercontinental maybe or maybe it was
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: a Fairmont at the time they just readid it so irrelevant?
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: And although a great lunch now, but back then, I
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: think it was a Fairmont. Stayed there, went across because
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: ICM and CA were right next to each other, and
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: those are my two interviews.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Didn't want to be late across the street.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: By the way, the funny thing with me is like
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I will be fifteen minutes early to something that I
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: need to travel to. If it's near my apartment or
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: near the hotel i'm staying in, or in my lobby,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I will be late.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Oh really, yeah, if it's time today. You live really
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: close to me.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: As a general sense, I am a very punctual person.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: But if I'm going to be late, it's because I'm
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: it's where I'm staying. I get that in my head.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I get rid of travel time. Whereas I build in
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: travel time, I build an extra.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: More time than you do. Exactly that actually happens to
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: me too. I'm working on it.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: So anyways, I go to LA I have these interviews.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: The Greenwich Film Festival was happening MYCENI as I graduated
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: senior year, was the first one ever, and they gave
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: me an internship position. And there was this woman named
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Ali Wolfe who I still am in touch with, who
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: kept calling me like John or Jeff or something like
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: ten times, and I was like, finally, bitch, my name
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: is Jake. Like enough. I didn't say it like that,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: obviously because she was my boss, but I very kindly said,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: my fucking name is Jake. Okay. At the end of
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the festival, she's like she she took an interest in
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: me for whatever reason, you know. Whether it's because I
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: had done a good job for them, I don't know,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: but she took an interest in me. She clearly thought
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: she does something. And her husband was friends with an
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: agent at UTA named Scott Schacter, And so I got
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: that interview after that first too. That was my first
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: touch point in this industry, and I went in back
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: for my UTA interview, and then there's a panel interview.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: After you pass this first round of an interview, you
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: have to sit in front of seven agents who ask
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: you these.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Questions just to get into the mill room, just.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: To get into the mill.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: This is still their process.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I'll ask intense. And it's run
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: by this woman, Laura Ronick, who was like, my I mean,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I've had a lot, I've been so lucky. I have
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: such great champions in this business. But Laura, and I
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: was tough as an essas like I was rough. I
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: mean I quit once and unquit. I uta at uta.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I almost came and worked for Scott Ruden, and I
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: quit while my boss was in Berlin. My first boss
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: over email and I was staying with my parents. I
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: was here and I walked downstairs and I was like,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I'm going to the producer. I quit uta, and I
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: was like, excuse me, no, you're not, and I unquit.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: My dad crafted this email unquitting, and I'll never forget
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: my first boss's response. I guess it's easier than hiring
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: someone new, and it's like perfect. All I could ask
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: for here is.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I feel like if it was anyone else but you,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: they would be fired.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know, we're still quit.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: That's actually a wild story.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I thank god, I know, and I mean it's I
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: think about it all the time, and I now have
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: clients who have worked with Scott and and but it's interesting,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: it's I wonder what path that would have put me on,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: because I am I I really look up to and
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: look up to is maybe the wrong word, but I
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: but I definitely producers and people who really focus on
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the creative development of a project is a skill set
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I don't have. I mean, I can read a script,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: of course, and give notes and I that's huge, the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: biggest part of my job, one of the biggest parts
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: of my job. But it's different to be able to
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: go and lay out micro and macro notes and how
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: this will affect And I don't know that I would
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: have figured it out, right, That's part of I think
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: why I do what I do is because I can
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: figure it out. But it wouldn't have been as natural, right.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I think for me, this is about representing humans, right,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: That's the strong suit of mine is being able to
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: translate what someone needs or wants back to them in
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: a way they can better understand it and to this
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: world that is foreign to them, and vice versa. And
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: so anyways, Laura Ronick sits at the head of this table,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and then there's five or six or seven agents. I
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: don't remember, I do will never, ever, ever forget Shaney
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Rosenswag was one of the agents in the room, and
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: so was Jacob Fenton, who so I guess, let's explain, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: well yeah, and I was gonna say spoiler alert. I
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: ended up at UTI. Yeah. But and they would ask
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: these questions, what's the last book you read, Why did
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: you like it or not like it? What's your favorite movie?
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Those are hard fucking questions. And I remember I had
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: just read the book Resilience by Eric Bryden's. And the
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: only reason I remember this is because going senior year,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I'd gone through this traumatic experience. You know, I was jumped.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: You know this, and and just jumped.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: More than once. You just told me you were jumped
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: with my dog.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: My dog was jumped in the west in Greenwich Village
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: over the summer. But he's fine. I'm fine, that's nuts, nuts.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: But I would not Moose, and I walked away from
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that totally unscathed. I mean, I'm sure Moose was. I mean,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: actually I was. I was probably freaked out more than
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Moose was. Moose was like, that was weird. It was
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: after a dog crazy people.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Screwed golden retriever and a French bulldog. I would be toasted. Yeah,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: my dogs can't fight back.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Moose didn't fight back. Moose by the way, the sixty
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: pound labby like rolled over. He thought it was fun
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: until it wasn't. No, but I was. I was actually
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: like attacked, going senior of college. Took a while to
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: kind of get back on my feet after that. I think, No,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I don't apologize. I think it shapes a lot of
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: who I am today. I think it taught me to
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: be tough and I think we kind of bounced around.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: But to go back to my friends, I'll texting me like,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: you are so direct and sure of who you are,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: and that comes from that experience, I think, and the
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: growth after it more than anything. But so you know,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: people always I think my dad and brother still harbor
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: so much anger for that event, whereas I don't. I
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: really don't. I think that that event put me on
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: a trajectory that I was never on before. So anyways,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: someone in this this group of agents asked me what's
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: your favorite book? And I said Resilience by your graidance
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: and back then it was still really raw.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: This was now a year out from it, a year yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: a year out because I hadn't going too my senior
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: year and this was and it was hard. Now I
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: could talk about it. I can tell you every intimate
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: event of it, a moment of it. But back then
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: it was really hard to talk about, like, especially as
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: a young man, I was figuring out my sexuality, I
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: was figuring out all these things about myself to have
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: been attacked and go down and be like quote unquote
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the loser in that event, right, I lost that. I
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: know my dad's gonna freak out for me saying that,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: cause like you didn't lose whatever so long ago. And
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I started getting really emotional in this panel interview with
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: all these agents about having been jumped. That could have
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: gone two ways. One it was really endearing and they
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: would hire me, or it was a fucking train wreck.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: It was like this kid's emotionally unstable.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: It's like he's gonna cry if we asked him to
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: say something crazy.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: And so I called I flew home. I called shit.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I never forget his name. There was a guy who
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: ran HR and the agent training program forever. Michael, Shoot,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: he was great, he was my first.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: And I can't believe. I still can't believe they made
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: you do seven interviews.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, all seven agents are in
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: one room. It's just two interviews. So I called this
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: guy Michael, I can't believe, can't remember his last name,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and I said, CEA has offered me a position and
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: put a clock on it of twenty four hours.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: But it's true or was this a tactic?
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Bullshit? Oh?
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Nice?
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Bullshit? They never offered me a job actually, but UTA
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: is my first choice, and I you know, but I
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: need to know because I can't turn down a job.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: And he said, this isn't how we do things. But
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: let me just confer with the team and we'll come
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: back to you. And he called me back like three
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: hours later. He said, Okay, we're going to offer you
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: the position in the mail room. And years later Laura
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Ronick would tell me, you know, your panel interview was
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: a fucking train raper.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Why did they hire you?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I think I think
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: that move actually is what did it? I think they
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they knew or didn't know that
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I didn't actually have an off from CA. My guess
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: is they probably didn't know, but just the like.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: You taking go to them for SA and say that
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: my first choice.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: And I remember, and it was over the summer, and
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: they said, we don't have room in the September mailroom,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: so you'll have to start October fifteenth. I said, fine,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: So I started in the mailroom. My first boss was
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: in the well, I'll back up. Actually I got to
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: that mailroom and knew the second I walked in, I
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: am the fuck out of here, the fuck out. Every
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: desk would open up, and I would walk into Chris Hansen,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: who's the head of the mailroom's office, and be like,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I want to interview and he's like, you're not interviewing
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: for a managing partner's desk. You've been here four days,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and I'm like why. Finally a guy named Rich Klubec's
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: desk opened up.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: I know him.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Everyone knows Clubec. And I mean, there's a lot of
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: amazing agents at UTA. I mean I could talk for
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: hours on end about it, not just UTA. By the way,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: there's so many agient relationships I have that I like,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I look up to them in a way that's probably
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: slightly unhealthy, but also just like I think it's what
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: they do is brilliant and I loved doing it. But clueback,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: his list was kind of defined everything I wanted. That
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: is the business I wanted to learn. I don't remember how,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: but the mail rooms that I couldn't interview.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: How typical is it?
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: So when you're in a mail room, I've never been
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: in one, and I'm jealous because I think that's where
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I lack you. And everyone who comes out of a
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: mail room knows who reps who. There's so many people
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: clearly who shaped you in your younger years in the
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: industry and who have been maybe mentors for you or
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: folks that you've looked up to. And that's why you're
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: so good at your job and why you're here today.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Because we were going to people business and if you
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: earn a single bridge, the industry is really small. But
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: if you have to cultivate relationships but also maintain these relationships,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: and you're gonna have them your entire career. Right the
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: desk that you were on, I'm sure you and Klubec
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: do a ton of business together.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Now, well, well, let me just finish that story and
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: then we'll go. But yeah, so I figured out how
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the mailm said no, I couldn't interview with rich I
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: don't know how, but I figured out my way into
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: his office and I interviewed.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: After how many days of being in the room?
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Four? That was my fourth day.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: That's cuckoo. Does that ever happen?
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure you know. By the way I say
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: this like I got out so quick. One of my closest, closest,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: if not closest confidant and partner in this business is
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: one of the most brilliant young producers former agents, Ruby
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Kay at working title, who we came up together. She
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: was in the mailroom so long that they threatened to
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: fire her if she didn't land an interview. And you
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: know what, I look at the I think I started
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: with twenty or twenty five people in the mailroom. I
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: don't know where three quarters of them are. By the way,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean they don't have amazing lives and careers,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: but only a handful are still in this business doing this.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Ruby could not get arrested, and she is now one
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: of the most successful people from our mailroom class.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: I met her at can at Amelia's birthday lunch.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, with me two years ago.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: I met her this year. Can okay, are you at
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: the table for us? No?
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: No, I wasn't there this year, the one Jason went
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: to this year. Yes, yes, yes, So anyways, Rich finished,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: We finished the interview and Jeremy Zimmer, the CEO of Time,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: is walking by and Rich like calls him and he's like,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: this guy thinks she's a good skier, you know, And
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: they both kind of laugh at me, like little do
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: they know? I was real? They know I'm a legendary
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: well not legendary, but like I skied competitively Mogus and
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Arias my whole life, like that was my career. But
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: we'll let them think they're really really good skiers. And
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: at the end of the interview, I wrote a letter
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I followed up. I was like, both I bombarded this
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: guy to the point where Rich told his assistant tell
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: this Jake kid to stop reaching out. We will let
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: him know. And ultimately Rich called me in and was like, so,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: you're not smart enough for my desk, but my colleague
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: needs an assistant. He walked me in and that was
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: my first desk. About a year later, after having quit
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: and unquit and promising a year and then being beholden
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: to that year and not being released and threatening to
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: quit again and follow Ruby to CIA. Ruby Ruby actually
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: ended up working for Quebec. That was the dust she
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: ultimately got.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: She then went to Maha at CIA from Rich, and
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I took her spot on Rich's desk, and I worked
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: for Rich for a year and it was one of
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: the most educational, inspiring, amazing year. Like I look and
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: by the way, and I say this because people know it.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: He's incredibly tough boss. All of my bosses were. Actually
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I had three bosses as an assistant, and all three
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: are notes to be incredibly tough bosses. And two of them,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: the latter two was Rich Klubeck and Teresa Peters. I
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: talked to almost every single day. I go to them
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: whenever I don't know something. They have become the greatest
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: champions of mine in the world. Not in the world.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: My parents are my greatest champions, but some among some
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: of the greatest champions of mine. And I as I
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: was kind of finishing being an assistant at UTA, they
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: started this externship which was for college students to come
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: learn about it, which was not something I had we
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: weren't offered that.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Is that a co op.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: It's a two day thing and you meet a bunch
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: of people, you walk around this gorgeous building. And when
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: they started that they I was actually the assistant that
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: came and spoke to them a bunch and then I
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: did it too with the training program or the people
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: before the training program and what I say. And to
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: this day I have lunch with all of our assistants
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: when I'm in La next October ninth or tenth, can
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I come? Yeah, come, if you're out there, come, It's
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: my favorite thing to do. I love it because I'm
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: such a product of being an assistant and those years
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: were so invaluable to.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Me, so formative, so formative beyond and sleep on assistant jobs.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I learned more in those years, especially professionally than anything.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: But I also learned how to work hard and how
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: to let shit roll off my back and have a
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: thick skin and honestly learn. And this is so important,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: especially if you want to be a rap. But really
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: anything like you learn, and Rich is really who taught
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: me this first clueback you learn what is a priority
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: and what's not. My life kind of runs in this
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: timeline of when I know things are due, and that
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: is something I learned from being an assistant. But going
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: back the reason, the thing I say to everyone I
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: talk to all these young I'm young people, I'm fucking young.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I'm thirty two, bitch. But the younger people is find
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the hard bosses, like, find the tough ones, the ones
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: who are just gonna crush you, because one it's always
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: the most rewarding when you get through. I remember, so
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I was about to be promoted and lit off Klubec's
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: desk and I went into his office and I said,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: he's going to be annoyed to tell the story if
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I can tell it anyways, fuck it. And I said,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I want to learn talent. I want to go work
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: in talent and I really want to learn that business.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: And at the time, he represented Angelina Jolie and you
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: and McGregor and Julianne Nicholson, oh my god, like augh
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: and the most brilliant and I mean now it's Timothy
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Shallomey and a lot of him and it goes on
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: and on. But like he was kind of one step,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: one foot in talent, mostly in lit when I worked
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: for him, and that little bit of talent. That was
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: enough to make me want to do it. And I
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: remember him saying a version of like, oh yeah, that
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: makes sense for your brain, because the thinking was like
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: in lit, you like take this and you build this package,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: and you think about writers, and you think about director talent,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: You're just like shooting darts at a wall, right, And
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: that is the most boiled down, incorrect version of that.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: But I remember like it was the most becky and
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: dig of all time.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: And I was like, what did you How did you respond? Yeah?
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: By that point I worked from for a year. I
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: knew exactly how to respond. So he said, all right,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: well then there's a handful of great agents to learn from.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: But you need to go learn from Teresa Peters, who
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: built that talent apartment. I mean, she promoted more partners there,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: hired more people. She'd come over from William Morris, brought
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: a handful of people, and she just she's done it.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: She's you know, she's a legend. She's done it first
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: is a legend. She's a legend. She's also an incredibly
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: challenging boss and she's gonna be mad at me. But
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I say that in the most loving way, because again,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: she's like I talked to her, respect her decisions and
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the way she handles her business. And you know, it
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: is a it's a tough business. People are constantly trying
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to take your clients and it's hard to get people jobs.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: There are no patrol managers, isn't There are no post
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: managers have a no poaching role.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: But it's funny. I've had managers, you know, like flirt
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: with my clients and it's like, I think it's kind
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: of human nature. Sadly, it's like, I don't like, I'm
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: not going to do it. I don't want to take
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: food off someone else's table. It's not how it's raised.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: It's not in my value system. There's enough to go around,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: and I love my business. I don't I don't need
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: to hurt someone else to build my business. I'm confident
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: in myself to continue to find relationships.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: And I think it's the type of thing where if
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: your client doesn't feel the same way about the relationship
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: that you're in with them, then okay, let them.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Right by the way, bye by the way. One thousand percent.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: And it's people always ask you have contracts with your clients.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: There's no contracts in my business. Obviously they are, but
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: for client manager relationships at will, if you don't want
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: to be with me, you should not be with me.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: And I'm specific. We haven't even gotten to me as
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: a manager, but like, yeah, I'm a very specific type
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: of person and manager. Going back to the thing I
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: asked my friends, like, I work for some people and
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I work for don't and I don't work for others,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: you know, And I think that I do believe there
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: are star reps as much as there are star talent.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: They're stars like they are the star. You know. There's
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: a reason talent is attracted to them, and there's a
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: reason executives and producers are attracted to their ideas, you know.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: And the way that those individuals came up in the
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: industry is also insane to think about. Yeah, pre all
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: the tools that we have today and finding their way
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: and their version of the mail was even whackier. Well
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: even those stories I want to talk about those are.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I mean yea and yeah, I mean, the industry was
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: just different. And it's funny because I've been trying to
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I've been holding off on one name now that our
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: whole conversation because she has really stepped into center stage
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: as my mentor of the last four or five years.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: And her name's Mereth Wector. She's really who gave me
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: my first big shot as like a big boy manager
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I was. I was at Grand View. I was making
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: forty five thousand dollars a year less than I was
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: as an assistance.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Then I made it in fashion.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: By the way, nine dollars totally and by the way,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: that's a lot of money. But as an executive. And
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: it's funny because they gave me the name co ordinat
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: my title was coordinator and I never said that out loud,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: and I said to them, I will never say that
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: word out loud. I will introduce myself as a manager.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: You're not paying me enough to tell me what title
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: to call me, honestly. And I was at grand View.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I had this small group of clients and who were
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: making starting to make a little bit of money, and
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: people are starting to know their names, and some of
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: them were signing with bigger agencies. And it's Teresa who
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: called Meredith as she left w me to start the
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: management division at Sugar twenty three who and the two
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: of them connected me to Meredith. Teresa connected me to
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Meredith and well, actually she called me and was like,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: you can't call her. I mean, she can't call you,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: but I know they're hiring, so maybe you should give
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: her a ring. Here's her number.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: And I called her and we had this like five
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: min eight minute conversation that I got on a zoom
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: with her and Michael, and it was one of those
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: moments we were talking about this before we started of
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: like have I made it? And again I said to
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: you earlier, like I've had a lot. I still have
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: those moments, hinch me moments. I sent my mom this
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: text and I actually started to tear up in the
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Montrose Airport, real beautiful place. And I was flying from
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Tell your Ride to Venice from one client to the
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: other this past fall festival season. It was twenty nine
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: hours and it was four flights with a stop at
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: home for forty five minutes for a quick sand Umbros
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: chicken cutlet. And I texted my mom being like, holy fuck,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: like I have worked so hard for almost a decade,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: for eight years from graduating college, nine years that I'm
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: traveling from one of the chapest, most prestigious vestivals in
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the world to another with two clients who are very
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: much my clients, you know who. And it was this
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: moment of like WHOA made it? And those moments we
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: were talking about this earlier, like they happen all the time,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: not all the time, and they're going to keep having
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: the second they stopped happen. The second they stop happening,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I will do something else because that excitement to all
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: this has disappeared. And I say that knowing they will
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: never stop. And and they're as small as I told
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: this story. If we started, like I remember the first
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: not the first time, but I remember the first time
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: staying at this at Sunset Tower and I checked in
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: and you know, a young manager this is now four
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: years ago or three years ago, and I booked a
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Queen Superior room for whatever the base rate is, the
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: cheapest way I could get into that hotel. And I
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: got there and they had upgraded me and I had
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: this chocolate tower that I now know they put in
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: every room, but still but I did have this note
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: on Jeff Kleines stationery that said welcome home, Jak, XOXO Jeff.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: And that was a moment like they can come. And
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I was like I've made it, like this big hotelier
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: like has welcoming me to a hotel, upgrading me, like
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: on my own volition, Like my parents know nothing. I
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: knew nothing about this business. I mean, you know, not
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: that I grew up wanting for anything an amazing childhood
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: and young adulthood, but I really did make every relationship
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: I have in this business and beyond it myself, you know,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: with the help of these amazing mentors that I've been
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: talking about, right, And that all comes from being an assistant,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: I have to say, like it all comes from learning
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: and watching my bosses. And then later even like I
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: still I sit in a meeting with Meredith or when
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: we were at the same company, and now Jason, like
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: we had dinner last night, and I think I said
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: like thirty words. But I the way I look at
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: it is like if I'm talking, they're not. And I
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: definitely have something to learn every time they're talking, whether
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: it's learned a way I want to do something the
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: same way or differently, you know. But I do think
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: that finding your mentors in this business is crucial. It's crucial,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: and I think it's the only reason. I mean, I
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: don't know where I am, but it's the only reason
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I am where I am is because of kind of
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: these north stars that I've aligned myself with and still
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: lean on. I mean I lean on them all the time.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I was doing a deal recently that was something I
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: had never It was a deal with intricacies that I
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: had never dealt with. I still call them, I still
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: ask Meredith. I talked to Meredith at least twice a day,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: five to seven days a week, every day. And because
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: she's so respected in this industry, and oh that we
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: got here talking about star reps. I mean, she's certainly
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: a star rep. She's you know, she's one of those
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: people that you either absolutely love her or you stay away.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I mean her Instagram is Hannibal Wecter, which is why
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I know she's okay with me saying that. But her
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: clients fucking die for her, die for her because they
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: know she will die for them. And it was, you know,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: watching that from the front row taught me a lot
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: about being a you know, relationships relationships with your clients,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: but with everyone you know, and making sure your clients
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: really feel that you will stab someone in the fucking
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: neck for them, you know. Of course, I worked for
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Rich for a little over a year. I worked for
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Teresa for a little over year. Teresa got me promoted
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: in talent. I was secretly hip pocketing my first client,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: who was a young actor, and he got this big
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: role that the every person like him in town wanted,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: and no one knew who represented this guy. And his sister,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: who I had known a bit socially, introduced me to
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: him because he was looking for managers at the time
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: and wanted advice. And I remember walking in and just
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: it kind of hits you when you see him. You're like, oh,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: there's this electric force field around you. And we sat
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: at Soho House, West, Hollywood. I can tell her this now.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: She doesn't even know this story. Teresa was flying for
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: she's flying to Europe, and I figured out what airline
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: did and have Wi Fi yet, and I put her
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: on that flight so I could go meet him and
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: know she couldn't contact me for ten hours two year out.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: So Savage and we went and.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: We sat at the idea now she does if she listens.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: And we sat there for like, I don't know, two
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: or three hours, and I pretty much my pitch was like,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: why do you need a manager? I worked for one
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: of the most powerful agents in Hollywood. I have access
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: to everything. Let me just represent you and I did,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: and to this day it's my brother. I mean, it's
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: my first not my actual you know, he is a
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: brother to me, and he's my first client, and you know.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: I didn't know he was your first client.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: First client, first client.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: And how long have you been working together?
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: So I left UTA and pretty much that situation kind
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: of blew up in a way that I saw the
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: kind of darker side to agents at UTA that I
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: didn't want to see, is they kind of wanted to
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: custodian him and take him from me. And I was like, look,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: I for the rest of my career want to find
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: people who just excite me and light me up and
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: make me want to do this, and I don't need
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: them taken from me every time I do. So I
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: called him over the weekend and I said, if I
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: become your man, can I become your manager? If I
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: become manager, will you come to me and I will
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: never forget for the rest of my life. He said,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: without a beat, what, you're my guy, Whatever you want
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: to do, you're my guy. Pinch me a moment, probably
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: one of the most formative pinch me moments of my
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: entire career. I think back to that moment far more
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: than I should, because that moment was really the It
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: was my first client who was all mine.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: And not only that, it was a client who clearly
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: believed in me at a young age. I mean as
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: much as I was taking a chance leaving a job
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: where I was promoted, I mean I was on a
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: track there. I had so many allies among the partnership,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: but I just saw something in this this guy that
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta do this. This is my
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: is your calling, my calling.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: And pivoting from agent soon to be agentear trajectory to management.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I got a job. I remember when I told clueback.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: It was not an easy exit. It got rough because
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: they just promoted me, and people were a little annoyed
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: by that, rightfully so. And I remember telling Rich I said,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: I'm leaving to become a manager, and he was like,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: what moron? I mean, truly, and by the way, in
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: hindsight I think about it all the time, is that
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: the decision I would I would have made with the
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: knowledge I have today. I mean, I'm so happy with
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: where I am. I am exactly where I meant to be.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: But in hindsight, I don't know I would have. There's
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: so much soake out of an agency, you know, I
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: don't know that I would have left so quickly. But anyways,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I said, he said, and where are you going? And
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: I said grand View and he goes, what the fuck
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: is grand View? Full Circle untitled in grand View are
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: now one company and I work with all of my
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: colleagues that were my first colleagues after UTA, and I
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: remember when I was Clubec's assistant, Eric Mendoza sat next
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: to me working for David Kramer, and we were so
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: close and he had gone to grand View a little
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: bit before me, I think, or a little bit a
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: little bit right before me a couple months so I
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: walked in and we were like reconnected again. And then
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: now five years later we were reconnected again and it's
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: it's been this really funny full circle moment. But anyways,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I had to do this. Teresa made me do this
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: full tour and tell every single partner that I was
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: leaving in Talent and Led. It was like a two
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: hour tour and I remember going to Blairs and just
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: like lying on the couch and for a breather. I
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: was so overwhelmed which is good.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Does everyone do that or what was the point was?
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I had just campaigned for months to promote me and
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: they did, and then I was leaving literally that week.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Wow, And so I got Harvist to do that or
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: did you understand?
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: You know, I was terrified, getting really scary terrified. And
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: everyone had a different response, like every single Some could
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: care less, some were like great, like I don't barely
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: know you, right, and some had like Shaney had the
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: most Shaney response ever and that I'm not going to
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: say here, but it was hilarious. I not in the
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: moment and the moment's shit, but now in hindsight. And
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: so anyways, I went to graand I got this job
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: over the week and I called Josh Glick and I
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: was like, will you give me this job? And he
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: was like, I think I can get them to hire
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: you as coordinator And that was it. I went there
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: and it was amazing, you know, not that they paid
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: me anything or gave me a real title, but I
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: didn't need that. I needed the freedom of my day
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: to go meet every agent try and sign people. I mean,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: after my first client, my next three were almost immediately
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: after that, within six months.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: And it was one person who I saw an early
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: cut of a movie and I called the agents and
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: they were like, well, no, sorry, he's not taking a manager.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: And I didn't come up under agents who took that answer.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I'm going to go sign him now,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: like sorry. And I found out his girlfriend's sister was
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: in the mail room with me at the time, and
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I got her to connect me to her sister to him,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: and we went and got a macha at Alfred on
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Melrose and had this great hang and then he went
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: to shoot a movie with my friend Emily Wolf, who
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: was an executive on the movie at the time in Netflix,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: and she just fucking bombarded him with how great I am.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Then he came back and we had another meeting and
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: he was my third client.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: And before him, and i'll say her by name because
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: I know she loves it, was any Hamilton and I
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: signed her as an actress, and I remember she really
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: made me sweat. I mean I was twenty five. I
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: was twenty five years old, that is creat and she
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: was like, well, my mom thinks you're too young. And
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: I remember she like performatively, which nothing has changed since.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Performatively like went outside and was on the phone pacing
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: like she was just debating up until the moment. And
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: then we were outside the Grand View offices and she
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: was like, let's do this. And she's my second client
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: and now she I mean, she has knives out three
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: coming out. She wrote a movie for A twenty four,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: she wrote a movie she's going to direct with that
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Emma Stone is producing, and Ali Herding and she's on
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: fire and I've and then my fourth client, I these
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: major agents were flying to London to meet him and
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: big managers and I convinced somehow Graham View to fly
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: me there and I went and I had sent like
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: twenty projects and his UC agent will remember because he
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: was like, it was the craziest thing I've ever seen.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: I was sending a project to day for him to
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: audition for. And I got there and I met him
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: and with had this great hang, and I went back
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: to LA and kept sending projects and he had just
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: popped off this show and everyone was trying to sign him.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: And actually Tracy Brennan was one of the agents trying
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: to sign him at the time. And I remember calling Tracy,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: who I didn't know that well, but took a liking
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: to me and brought me into CIA and made everyone
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: in the town department come meet me right as a
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: brand new manager.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: And that also a testament to you and your relationships.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: But you know what, not thank you, but not really
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: because she didn't know me that well. This was truly
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: out of the goodness of someone's heart. Like, this was
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Tracy just being the amazing person that she is and
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: championing young people. And that two hours sitting in her
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: office made me some of my my best relationships in
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: the business, you know. I mean that started my relationship
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: with so many agents I love and work with at CIA.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: It honestly started my relationship with one of my best friends,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Harrison water Street, who I introduced to his wife like
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: who's my oldest friend, you know? And but so anyways,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: I call Tracy and I say, look, this person is
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: someone who will be good on your list, right, but
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: you don't need him, you know, you represent some of
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: the biggest stars in the world. What let me sign
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: him and get him to a place where he's ready
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: for you. And she went into her meeting and said,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Jake Fleischmann is an amazing young manager and I think
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: would be great and I will never forget. I mean,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: how do you forget that that's she gave up a client,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: you know, in that moment, grants that she sits in
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: a place where she'll be okay, whether without him, but
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: nonetheless she went in there and told him to sign
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: with someone else.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, and now Tracy and I share business now
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: and we talk every day.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Now she's this person's agent.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: No, he doesn't have a US agent, he's but I
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: share a different client with her. And it was another
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: one of those moments where you know, I saw the
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: greatness in some of these these these agents at that
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: level that has always kind of driven me to be
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: that person at the level I can be, you know,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: at the scale I can be it now I want
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: to emulate that. I think it's those moments that these
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: people have done for me that got me to where
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I am. And he was my fourth client my next
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: trip to London. I remember I was having tea or
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: a drink or something at a pub with another UK agent,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Jacomo Plazzo, and I looked at my phone and the
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: agent of this person was calling me and I looked
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: at Shaqa and I was like, I need to take
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: this and it was them telling me they were signing
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: with me, and it was another one of those moments.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: But those were my first four clients. And what I
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: love about my career is that I've really grown with
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: my clients. Those are the moments that make this all
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: worth it, worth it, but also I mean beyond worth it,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Like those are the firework moments. Those are the moments
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is why I do this, Like this
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: is why I don't sit at a bank or sell
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: real estate, not that I mean, look, I have friends
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: who are far more successful in me doing those things.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: But I wouldn't trade this for anything, I mean truly.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: So I was at Granby for two years. Meredith started
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: the management division at Sugar. It was her first hire.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: I worked with her there for four years. It was
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: so fun, like we had that's when we.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: Started doing work together, When you were working with Meredith.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she was She's the best. Like she tapped
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: me into everything I had, you know, she taught me
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: so much and she gave me access to people I
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: would have waited years to meet, and and it was amazing.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, I loved working with her. It was like
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: my business really grew there in a way. That had
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: never grown before. I mean that is where I really
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: cultivated and learned how to build my business. And then,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: you know, for whatever reasons, ultimately Meredith left Sugar and
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: we had this moment of choice where, you know, was
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: I going to go with her and we were going
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: to keep this going and or enter Jason, who I've
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: known forever. Jason's known me since I was an assistant
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: and truly, and we've talked about me coming there over
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: the years, and I was always I always knew I
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to go to untitled until I was walking
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: in with a business that stood on its own, because
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: that is the way I wanted to enter that company.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: And this felt like that right moment, and there were
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: so many pros to go with Meredith, and it was
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: I called her crying. It took about a week between
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: the two companies and negotiating, and I remember calling her
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: and saying I was away with my family. I was
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: in Courchevelt and I walked away from lunch. It like
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: in the middle of lunch, I was like, I need
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: to go make a call. And I got up and
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: I walked away and I called her and started crying,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: and I was like, if I don't come with you,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: will you still love me? And then she got choked
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: up and she was like, of course, like are you kidding?
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: And she obviously turned around to the partners of that
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: company and we're like, get on a zoom with him.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Now we're losing him. And I got in the zoom.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: But I think by that point it was so natural.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: And I remember one of the previously mentioned mentors of
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: mine said, Jake, one of the most successful managers in
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: the world, who is gay and Jewish and married and
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: has amazing kids and balance and everything you want to be,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: and lives in New York and everything you want to
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: be in twenty years wants to hire you who you've
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: known and write as you saw before. This started a
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: bit of anxiety from time to time, and the idea
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: of starting in a new company where I really knew
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: no one was intimidating to me. Not that I didn't
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: think I'd figure it out, but nonetheless intimidating. And with Jason,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: it was this like warmth. It was like it felt
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: and Stephanie. I spoke to his partner obviously runs untitled
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: with him, and there was just this blanket warmth amongst
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: them that felt so obvious to me, Like anyone who
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: knows me knows I use the word cozy about a
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: thousand times a day. It is everything I stand for
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: to feel. Yes, I do is I'm always cozy, Like
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: I think that's like those are the moments, you know,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: those are where you recharge your batteries. So like if
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: I can feel cozy while sitting at my desk, God
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: bless and this company felt cozy. And there was something
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: special about going back to colleagues I had worked with already,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: you know, it worked with all the grand of you
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: guys and girls and and and ladies, and it was
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: the best I mean it was. That was a hard
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: week and I was going through it with a colleague
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: of mine named Jacob Snyder, who's also an amazing young
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: manager who's one of my best friends. We talk every day,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: every single day, we at least touch base to make
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: sure we're both all good. Literally it's a wellness check
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: on both sides. And every time I get to La,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: my first dinner is always d'antanna's martini with Jacob, like
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: like clockwork, and.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: I live up the street, so you have to me,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: I like live.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: At Dantana's as we all know, and that was that look. Obviously,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: I always loved Meredith, and I always saw her as
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: one of my greatest mentors and champions. But that moment
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: when I said to her, I'm leaving you, I'm going
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: to a competitor ultimately, you know, are we still good?
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: For her to say yes and not only that, ye,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: still champion, I mean, say yes but mean it, Say
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: yes but mean it and still like, That's when I
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: knew she was so beyond mentorship and just I found
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: a person who deeply cared about me and would stab
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: someone in the neck for me, right, I do that
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: for so many people, and I knew I had it
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: to have a moment where someone's added to that ilk
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: it's rare, and then to continuously double down on it,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: right Like she was on a plane. I was in
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: a really competitive signing pursuit a couple weeks ago that
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't get, but I love this person, like, and
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: we're having dinner in a couple weeks. Meredith ended up
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: sitting next to that person on a plane ride home
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: from Toronto and went in so hard about me and
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: how fucking amazing I am. And I know it from
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: both sides it's not just her telling me. It took
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: the signing pursuit to be like, by the way, this
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: person rides for you, and it was you know, there's like,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I think this this industry gets a rep
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: of rough personalities. And by the way, there's people in
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: this industry, no doubt, who think I am a rough personality.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: By the way, I can be a rough fucking personality.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Ask KaiA, my assistant. There's a good chance on any
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: given day, I'm a rough personality.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: But you're that tough boss, that someone who wants to
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: who's curious about this industry.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: That's the desk that you go work on. Your desk.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, truly and always respectful, very funny. I'm funny when
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, at least I'm funny to myself. Maybe kai
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: don yourself, Oh you know, you're a lot and and
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: so anyways, and I ended up at untitled. It's been
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: seven months, and it's amazing.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: It's when you get to a place. I you know,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: had you asked me to do this podcast six months ago,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: eight months ago, I don't know that I would have
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: said yes. I still don't know how I said. How
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: you got me to say yes? I can't believe it
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: must have been drunk when you texted me, but.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: But I'm so happy you said, yes, this was really fun.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: I was so I'm glad I did it.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: Say your story is crazy.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: I learned so much about you and you coming up
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: in the industry, and I feel the same way as you.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: There's so many people who I've met along the way
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: who are older than me, who have really championed for
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: me adjacent. For example, I met him when I was
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: working as one of Madonna's assistants, and we didn't really
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: know each other back then. I was her number three,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: I wasn't her number one, and he and I didn't
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: work together intimately at that stage. And then we kept
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: in touch and he is now responsible for half of
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: my business because he trusts me with his clients and
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: he will put me in a group chat with someone
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: and say you two should meet Megan. This person needs
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: help staffing their team. He is someone I look up
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: to immensely, and if I grow up to be half
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: as good as.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: Him, I would be so lucky.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: And just like you, these relationships with these people I
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: just look up to and want to be like, who
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: have championed for me over the years.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: I will always be grateful.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: And I got into this industry just like you through
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: relationships and connecting with people. And I think it's the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: most important piece of advice to anyone looking to get in.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: It's just go meet someone, Go work on a tough desk,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: go learn.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: Go network.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're in an industry of people and it's really
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: fun and there are so many pinch me moments that
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: still happen.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're just happy to be here.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: I think you have no idea what someone can do
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: for you or you can do for them down the line.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: Meet everyone.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: I I just imagine you on the phone all day.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: By the way, I am on the phone all day.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: I am on the phone literally all day. I mean,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: but that's my job, right, is to be on the
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: phone all day. And I think, but I do. What
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: you said is true, right, is like meeting people is
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: how you get anywhere in this business. Meeting people and.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: Being kind and being kind and doing favors why.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Not, yeah, easy and doing favors, but also just like
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: making people feel heard listening goes, I'll never I was
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: such a I'll have done his talk for the last
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: hour and fifteen minutes but I used to really like
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: I would just talk and I would spew this is
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: college and before college and shortly after right, just spew
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: nonsense like I didn't even know what the fuck I
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: was saying. Half the time, I just talked to hear
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: my own voice. And I remember my dad one day
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: being like, you don't want to be known as a sprayer,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: And it's word I still use when I meet people
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  Speaker 1: who are sprayers. Right, people just talk to talk to
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  Speaker 1: hear themselves. But that moment when he said that to me,
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  Speaker 1: I swear to God, it changed my life. Like I
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  Speaker 1: think I talked seventy percent less from that moment on,
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  Speaker 1: because you hold all your power when you're listening, right,
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  Speaker 1: and not in any kind of dynamic way. But if
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  Speaker 1: you're not talking, one you can't say anything wrong, but
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  Speaker 1: to you're giving someone else the ability to talk, and
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  Speaker 1: everyone wants to feel validated, right, And so I think
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  Speaker 1: what I did learn over these years is when I
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  Speaker 1: meet people, I kind of just listen. I'll say something
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  Speaker 1: if I really think it either drives a conversation forward
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  Speaker 1: or I want to know more about something, right, But
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  Speaker 1: when you're meeting people, if you let people talk, they'll
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  Speaker 1: always remember you as that person who let them talk.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny. I think people remember the conversations, remember the
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  Speaker 1: conversations where they're the ones talking far more than when
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  Speaker 1: someone else is talking, which is funny because you're supposed
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  Speaker 1: to remember conversations based on the person you're talking to
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  Speaker 1: and what they have to say, but you actually remember
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  Speaker 1: the ones where you're the one talking, right, And so
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  Speaker 1: if you give people that ability, they kind of never
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  Speaker 1: forget it, and it makes people feel validated.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: It's like as everyone's trying to figure out who they
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  Speaker 1: are in this world, which like you're never not doing
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  Speaker 1: and you never stop doing. You figure that out by
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  Speaker 1: meeting people and seeing the things in them you like
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  Speaker 1: or you agree with, or you disagree with or you
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  Speaker 1: feel similar to. And this is a business of talking,
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  Speaker 1: but it's really business of listening.
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  Speaker 3: You know, well said that that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to use that a few more times. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that was good.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone's such good advice. You're so impressive.
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  Speaker 1: Thank Youssive, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what else you do. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: six months or something months that untitled.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to keep you posting.
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  Speaker 3: It's got so much more to accomplish. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, when you're chasing all the people I
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  Speaker 1: just mentioned in the last hour and fifteen minutes, it's
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  Speaker 1: a lot to live up to, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm so proud of you. You're amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, You're amazing.
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  Speaker 3: How fun is this?
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  Speaker 1: This was great, far less stressful than I thought.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so chill. We're on my couch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fair.
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  Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Jake, Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 2: More to come, guys please follow along at Clyde Confidential
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  Speaker 2: on Instagram and our website clydeconfidential dot com.
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  Speaker 3: But this was amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you,