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taylor swift canceling herself feat. sidney bg · gasp! the pod

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I started noticing the trend where it's like every time we
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clowned really hard for rap. What did she do?
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She played maroon. That's what all of you guys get.
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Talk about gamers all you want to, but you, you guys can come
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for me the moment you get rap TV.
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It was like the one thing that Swifty is wanted and so now
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people don't clown for anything Taylor Swift anymore.
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They only just clown for Tavis. You're not a Gaylor.
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What do you clown for now? You only clown for a wedding.
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Like do you guys care about any new music she puts out or is it
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just a wedding? Hello guys, welcome back to GAS
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the Pod, the podcast for the gays, the girls, the gay girls,
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and welcome back one of my favorite guests of all time.
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We had to have him on again, Sydney Baker Green, and thank
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you so much for coming on again. Wait, what?
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How's that too? Like Travis Kelsey, I'm like.
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What is the situation today? First of all, I have a janky set
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up and Sydney has the most professional setup of all time.
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I am in a hotel motel room in Los Angeles and that's why this
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looks bad. But that's the nature of an
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indie podcast. You guys, obviously me and
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Sydney dab offline as well. We decided to do another online
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conversation because we have some things to say.
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Sydney has some things to say. It's going to be another Gaylor
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State of the union pretty much. We need to check in and
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especially with the fact that Eris tour final show, Taylor
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Swift documentary end of an era docu series will be released in
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by the time this is this episode comes out, it'll come out in the
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next week. So this is perfect timing for us
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to get our theories and and also talk everything performance
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Artler and Gaylor, etcetera. So Sydney, how are you?
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In in the gaylor world or just in general?
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You know however, however you want to take the question.
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Honestly, in the Gaylor world, I'm like kicking my feet up and
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laughing. I I, I listen to the life of a
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showgirl and I just start busting out laughing.
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This album itself, I think it's funny.
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We can get into more of that later.
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But yeah, that like I have been doing pretty good.
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I cannot complain. It's winter, a lot of creative
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stuff going on. Lock And do you feel like you
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are one of the most refreshing voices in the Gaylord scene and
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even just like pop culture Taylor Swift?
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Because whenever I feel myself straying from or like doubting
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and have those like seeds of doubt and like letting like
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mainstream Swifties maybe like get into my brain a little bit
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too much, I will get like a FaceTime call or like a voice
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memo from you. And it's just like a maniacal
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laugh. And I'm like, thank God, just
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like. Like this stuff is just it's
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just comical. And then, Oh my God, what's
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their names? The the two people who are like
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the living definition of just because you have a platform
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doesn't mean you need a microphone.
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The Swift watch Taylor watch, Taylor watch Taylor watch.
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Yes, even they were getting so close to the point where they're
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like, you know, it seems almost like, you know, I think the
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wedding dress is going to be Ralph Lauren.
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Like it's almost like they have a partnership.
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No, no, no, no, there's no way that they like there's just a
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really like close business friendship type situation.
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But she's not she's not partnered with Ralph Lauren as
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they like talk about literally the perfect photo op with the
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Ralph Lauren bag. And then I was laughing because
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I think that post found the wrong side of TikTok because
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there was it did, it was so funny.
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Like people were like, every time she's in there, she's
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clocked in. She's like, and I'm like, oh.
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Yeah, when I checked the comments of that, I was like,
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maybe this this TikTok like slipped through the cracks for
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them or maybe they just don't have as many listeners as they
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think. Because I was like, why is this
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a Gaylord video right now? Like people.
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I mean, it is so funny when you are trying to defend someone for
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being the most perfect version of how you think they are.
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In your mind, you're going to become someone that looks stupid
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because you are watching someone so obviously brand themselves
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and you. Who's not on Taylor's bankroll,
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by the way, are just like out here being like, no, they had to
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go to Ralph Lauren because like, it's a good place to go in the
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winter. Like what are you talk?
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Why are you doing this? Are you tree pain?
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Why are you doing this? That last time I remember, her
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favorite place to go in the winter is that restaurant
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underneath Karlie Kloss's apartment.
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But, And that's why I really, really love this album.
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And I feel like, like we were talking, we were talking about
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earlier, how I feel like everybody has collectively lost
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the plot for a minute, whether your performance aren't there.
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And I mean, some people are coming back to center.
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There's some people I need to talk to, but some people are
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coming back and and getting a grip.
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And then like mainstream had lost the plot for a minute.
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But it's just a prime example of how when you try to have your
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projections on to somebody, it makes you look stupid.
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Wish list is the funniest song to me.
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Wish list is my new Roman Empire because on face at face value,
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well, at first of all, at face value, it's the weakest love
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song of the world because she says, I just want you have a
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it's got the whole block looking like you.
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So doesn't even try to rhyme you with anything else.
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Says we want the world to leave us the F alone if they do.
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And then she's like, wow, That's like, first of all, wow.
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When I was watching, when I was like listening to this album
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live for the first time, that's why I lost it.
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Like it just became so obvious that this is like literally
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either she got a lobotomy or this is so clearly satire
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because we're all acting like we don't have memories.
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I'm so sick of people being like, guys, It's just such a
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simplistic love song because all she wants is him.
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I'm like, have you guys ever listened to Taylor Swift before?
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Ever heard Reputation? And I'm just like, this girl can
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really write a love song when she wants to, right?
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And it just makes me laugh, though, because, again, just
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going back to wishlist for a second.
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First of all, she's never told the world to leave them alone.
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She refused to give them an American football reference.
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Why Real Madrid caught a stray, I don't know, but.
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What was up with that? Anyways, like Oh my God, this is
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just like such a sweet song. The fact that she released it on
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Travis's birth and I'm like are y'all missing how every single S
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including the S in kids is a dollar sign?
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Right it literally and Elizabeth Taylor she contradicts that's
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all the statements that she's saying in wish list.
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She's like I would trade the Cartier for someone to trust.
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Just kidding, just kidding. No, truly I but I just want to
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take a real Hitler because I've never met them in real life and
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take them and shake them and be like please tell me how that
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makes sense because it's directly contradicting the
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other. Which one is she lying about?
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Just Kidding is also my Roman Empire.
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And it's funny because in that song she's like Elizabeth
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Taylor. Do you think it's forever?
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The answer is chemically no. It was indeed not forever.
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It was very like, what was it, a marriage a year for like 7 years
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or something like that? Or like like clockwork.
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And the fact that they're seeing like Laura Dern come back and
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say no, yeah, she's Easter egging me.
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I'm just so happy to be a part of this.
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The fact that you see Queen Pat coming out here being like the
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Bejeweled music video is the teaser to the Showgirl era,
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which again, Gayla is a performance artless if you're
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losing your crap clock in. Or the fact that she said when
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she's when I said I didn't want marriage, she never said she
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didn't believe in marriage. She said no to Joe leaving him
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Crespo on the landing or whoever she was writing about.
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And she said no to the 1950s shit they want from me.
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She never said that she didn't want to be married.
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I'm sorry, I'm going on a soap. Opera No, no, this is what this
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is for. Literally, this album is truly
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the manifestation of the lies and of the performance of her
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life. And I really think either you're
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paying attention or you're not. And again, like for people that
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don't care to pay attention to like celebrities in there and
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all of this, like that's not your thing.
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But don't act like you do pay attention and then excuse
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everything because like it is so in your face.
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And I don't know how people I don't see, I mean, she has done
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multiple interviews. She's saying that like this
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album, she goes in and out of character in the album.
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She's in the character of a showgirl.
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It it doesn't make any sense if you think that this this album
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is about her real life and then she's saying that she is a
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showgirl. Like true, truly, it doesn't
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make any sense. So I totally agree.
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Like this is the most performance artler we could have
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gotten. And anyone that is a performance
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artler, don't lose your yeah, don't lose your craft.
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Because if anything, this is like the manifestation of it.
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It's like the double Downing on everything.
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And even though that's kind of like disheartening, if you like,
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think that this is the real her, the whole point is that this,
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this isn't the real her. We, I want to get, I want to say
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something before, sure, before we actually have to have the
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State of the Union. You aren't.
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You're so correct. And this is the look behind
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like, you know what my life was like on the Eras Tour.
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And in the ending trap, she says you don't want to know the life
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of a showgirl and you're never, ever gonna play it in their face
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pain hidden by the lipstick and lace sequins are forever.
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How is she happy again? Everyone's like, where's the
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heiress tour song? Where's the song talking about
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the heiress tour and performing? You know what I mean?
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Because everyone's like, oh, I'm missing that aspect.
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The entire album is that Taylor Swift has done this amazing
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thing that truly, if you don't look past and it honestly goes
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beyond Gaylor a certain lens, you're going to miss it is that
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she puts in a lot of different songs about many different
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things and uses a romantic like Muse as the way to communicate
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that message. Because she knows it's kind of
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like Sara Bareilles's love love song that she has to give them a
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love song. She needs to give people the
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love song she wants to write about other things in her life.
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She did that with the greatest, the smallest man, whoever lived.
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Everyone was like, that's Maddie Healey.
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That's Maddie Healey. And it's the one time where I'm
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going to be like, no, actually, that is about Scooter Braun.
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Do you are you guys listening? This album is about her public
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life. It's not about Travis.
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It's like if you think about things for more than one second
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and take away the romantic muse, it just makes a lot more sense.
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Like this whole album is talking about her performing and being a
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showgirl and like giving the people what they want and like
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going in and out of character. Giving them what they want is so
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important too because when I heard the lyrics to these this
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album, I'm like oh this is a Hitler.
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All in my comment section every single comment that I've gotten
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from a Hitler is a lyric it is out sometimes word for word have
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a couple kids settle down I. Truly think.
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I truly think she went through comments and like copy and
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paste. Yeah, because.
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When last time we came on the podcast, we talked about this
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too, how disgusting Hitler's can be.
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And I say Hitler's because I do think the majority of like
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Swifties are like kind of normal and like maybe just aren't so
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insane. Like the reason why I think
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there's so much of A Hitler Gaylor feud is because Hitler's
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get into my business. I don't even care what you
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think, just leave me the fuck alone and let me have my own
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theories. Like leaving the fuck alone But
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they say the grossest fucking shit about her getting Dick
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down. And I think Taylor saw these
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comments, copy and pasted them and put them in wood because she
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literally wrote an album with the lyrics that people had
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already written in comments and that's why it took 2 seconds to
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make this album. Exactly, and that's why it feels
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like it took 2 seconds to make this album.
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Right. And that's why the lyrics aren't
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good, because they're not her her lyrics.
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Yeah. And I guess we can kind of start
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transitioning into how it's like, you know, gaylors who have
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lost the plot and performance artlers who have lost the plot
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and are starting to fall for like who are who are holding 2
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conflicting thoughts of I think this is a performance, but I
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also think this is Taylor because it's going against what
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I'm comfortable with. And This is why I'm friends with
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you, because it's so important to be reminded because I
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sometimes lose the plot. And then it's like, if Taylor,
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because she is, is living all of her life in order to be liked,
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to have a certain vision of herself, why would she stop that
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now? Like a lot of people are Like,
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would she really lie about all these things she's been dimming
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in her whole career? Why would this be a line that
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she wouldn't cross? I like 6 songs on the album.
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There's yeah. Listen to Oh, I listen to though
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I listen to The Fate of Ophelia. I listen to Father Figure.
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I listen to Actually Romantic. I listen to Cancelled is my
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girl. I've actually grown to like
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cancelled. Cancelled is my girl, cancelled
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is for Gaylors, and cancelled is probably also about Blake Lively
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even though I can't stand her. It's not about Brittany Mahomes
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and I don't know why people think it's about Brittany
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Mahomes. If you're a gayler or
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performance artler who thought that that was like a MAGA song,
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Baby Brittany Mahomes was never cancelled.
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She just wasn't liked. There is like my whiskey sour
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and poison thorny flowers toned, deaf and hot.
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Let's effing off her. Blake Lively, when she did the
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promo for It Ends With Us was dressed in all floorings.
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Yeah, it makes. Her whiskey brand to also
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promote this movie, which caused like a lot of backlash because
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alcohol and domestic violence don't mix well together, but
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like it makes the most sense to be about her.
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And then the last song is the life of showgirl.
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Now I do like I liked opalite in the beginning, but I think
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mainstream druin that song because they were trying to make
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the song about Kayla Nicole. And if you know, like you
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probably saw my tik toks where I was going in on everybody who
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was like, you know, have something to say about Kayla
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Nicole, because to me, it was just so disingenuous to sit here
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and act like you care about racism, that you care about
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ableism and that you care about homophobia when there's a large
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percentage of your fandoms swifties who do this thing to do
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these things to gaylors and the people of color on the Internet
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all the time. You cannot sit here and tell me
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you care about racism. When you guys came after CJ
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Gardner's restaurant? When you posted monkeys and T
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air tweeds Instagram comments like y'all can spare me with
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that for? Real.
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It is like they're so easy to set up because all I had to do
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was mention gaylors and all the homophobic ones came into the
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comments section and proved the point.
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Which then allowed me to start tagging the Sarahs and Hannahs
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who want to be like oh you're just excusing this because
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you're black. Which, excuse you, I just don't
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want to hear from the group of people who act like they care
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about homophobia and gave Jason Kelsey the epsilor pass like not
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even a year ago. And and that's the thing really,
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because it never is consistent because there are people that
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were like, I'm going to stay out of the Keela Nicole
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conversation. And then they saw her tweets and
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they were like, knew it. I knew it.
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I knew I had a reason to. I knew I had a reason to.
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And Travis, they have seen those since day one and they were like
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giving excuses left and fucking right.
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And it's just so inconsistent and it pisses me off.
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And if you're going to be inconsistent, maybe side with
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the non white man because. Kayla Nicole had heat for
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everybody. And I'm like, I like, I've read
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her tweets and I started laughing.
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I'm like, Dang, she really? That's not right.
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No, like, that's a little homophobic, Kayla.
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That's but I like the song OPA Light in the beginning, but I
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don't know, I kind of replaced that with Tony Braxton's.
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He wasn't man enough for me just because of the the the
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conversation around it, which we can talk about a little bit
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more, but I don't believe that song is about Kayla Nicole.
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And if that was thrown in there to make people think it was
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about Kayla Nicole, I think Kayla Nicole is on the payroll.
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I really do. Makes perfect sense.
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And if you people think that was about Kayla Nicole, I just have
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a question. Why?
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How come when you hear Onyx night or anything darkness or
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bad bitch and savage, you automatically think about a
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black woman? Maybe there's some things to
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unpack there. The Kayla Napole stuff, a lot of
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this like truly I just like watching being like like you
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were saying about her being on Taylor's payroll.
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You have to be delusional if you think there was not even bare
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minimum a conversation with Taylor and Kayla.
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The amount of PR that goes into Taylor pretty much talking with
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anyone. Why do we only hear people
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singing praises at Taylor? I think that she is a very nice
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person, probably alive. And I think that, like, you
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know, she is like lovely to me, but like, you're not hearing so
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many celebrities get leaks from everyone.
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Even if there was a stylist that she had 20 years ago that maybe
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thought that Taylor was annoying for at one point in time would
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have gone to any magazine at this point and would have been
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like, Taylor ordered a Subway sandwich and Bowen, she was a
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bitch. And she would get paid so much
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money for that story. The reason why we're not hearing
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random leaks, even if they're irrelevant, even if they're
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lies, is because she has her shit on lock.
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He is one of the only celebrities that we don't hear
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this stuff from. We hear from Ariana Grande, we
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hear it from Britney Spears. We hear from all of these like
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pop Queens of random little people just coming out of the
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woodwork and giving us details about that person's life.
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She ever said on lock. If you think that there has not
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been a conversation between Taylor's PR team and Kayla
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Nicole, whether it's in a positive way or whether it's
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shut the fuck up and we're going to sue your ass and like
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whatever it has been. If you think that Taylor decided
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to write this little lyric and just hope that Kayla didn't
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freak out about it, that didn't happen.
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Like this isn't like you starting to date someone and
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then their ex with high school Instagram posting about it.
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Like we, we take our own lives and we think that that's what's
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happening with them and it's just not.
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And it's like people like really didn't clock tea because two
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weeks before Kayla Nicole posted the outfit in homage to Toni
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Braxton, somebody commented and said you should dress up as Toni
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Braxton for Halloween as if that's not a setup.
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And when you think about it, it's like Swifties just really
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look dumb on the opposite end because Taylor has you fighting
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this battle and you are getting dog walked by the rest of the
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public. The rest of the public is like
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Swifty's versus everyone else, and they're out here fighting
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for their lives because the rest of the public is on Kayla
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Nicole's side. I really think what's so
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interesting about the whole Swifty conversation, it's just
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really emblematic of like the type of people you, the type of
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person you can be right now in the world.
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You can be someone that is defending someone you don't know
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over any other person. And even someone who has told
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you I don't need to be defended. Taylor has said.
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I don't need to be defended. I don't need you to be like
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protecting me. Like, I can do good.
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I don't worry about stuff on the Internet.
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You can spend your time so worried about her and like other
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people, or you can be a normal person and like, I just don't
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know how you're going to go out here thinking that like Kayla,
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Nicole. He's somehow this evil person
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for dressing up on Halloween and like being funny.
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Truly grow up. Truly grow up.
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It's a billionaire. Look at the power dynamic.
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Are you, are you kidding me? Because all of these situations
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that have come up, like Taylor Swift said, like our job as an
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entertainer to be a mirror, like you need to look into the mirror
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with how you feel. Like all of these things are
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like coming back up as is this you to the fandom.
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Like what's the fandom is getting back Is literally the
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biggest this you? There is something interesting
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that's going on surrounding this album and Taylor writing an
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album that is a complete departure over what she's done
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before, and it has only sparked these big conversations that she
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wants to spark, right? There's been a huge switch in
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the fandom, and not only in the fandom, but how she's perceived
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in the world. She has this reputation period,
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as we know, where she is struggling with her reputation.
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But since then, there is still like a victimhood placed on her
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that I don't necessarily think that she places on.
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Herself, she's not in a vacuum with this specifically, and I
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think it speaks a lot more to pop culture in general.
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Why are Beyoncé fans the same way?
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Why are Nicki Minaj fans the same way?
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I think part of it as to why Swifty's you know, if I had to
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give some benefit of the doubt to all of these fandoms, the one
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thing that I think all of them have in common is that at one
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point it was kind of cringy to like said artist.
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Now they're so famous and you have so many numbers, you get to
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be the bully back. And I think that's honestly
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what's happened with Swifties is that they take these
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opportunities, opportunities to flex and be bullies.
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All the comments are the same. They need to learn not to mess
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with Swifties. This is what happens when you
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mess with Swifties. We're going to cancel you.
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Like same things with Kayla, Nicole.
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If that's not bully culture, then what is?
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And so I think what's happened is that there's this, you know,
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I don't think it's really Taylor's fault if she came out
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in a press interview and said, I don't like the way that my fans
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treat certain people. Her fans are probably to tell
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her to STFU the same way that Beyoncé tried it and her fans
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told her to STFU, right? The only way you can really stop
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this, you know, her people hurt people.
22:41
Her people bleed their herds onto other people.
22:44
Unhealed people bleed their hurts onto other people.
22:46
The only way you could probably really kill this beast is to
22:48
destroy the reputation. It is this dynamic of like a,
22:53
yeah, bullied kid in high school becoming a senior and doing the
22:56
same thing, or like hazing culture.
22:59
You've got haze as a freshman when you become the popular frat
23:04
kid. Stockholm Syndrome.
23:05
Stockholm Syndrome. Yeah.
23:06
Are you just going to decide, no, we like equality now?
23:10
No, you're going to haze them right back.
23:11
Like there is this feeling of we have this righteousness on our
23:17
side because we were with Taylor during the time that the world
23:22
hated her. And so therefore.
23:25
Any which they were, they were, they were part of the world that
23:28
hated her. But.
23:29
And no one talks about that because who?
23:32
Who were all the millions of people that were added onto the
23:34
fandom? Like, they didn't come out of
23:36
nowhere. Yeah, it's this, like, we were
23:38
the victims. Therefore we get to now decide
23:41
who the victims are. The only way to destroy and to
23:44
change this dynamic, which is a super toxic dynamic where, like,
23:48
Taylor has lost her own kind of control over her fandom a little
23:53
bit. So like, what can you do?
23:55
You give them 1950s shit, Want you to be like Dick down all the
23:59
time. You just deliver that and you
24:02
push it and push it and push it until like it doesn't make sense
24:06
anymore and it crumbles. And I think that's kind of like
24:09
her point where she's tired of it.
24:11
I think Taylor Swift is also super disappointed that she has
24:14
created a culture of I'm teaching you guys to look at
24:18
Easter eggs and they can see every single Easter egg except
24:21
for the one that makes her authentically her.
24:23
Whether you want to look at the Lover album, they completely
24:25
miss the plot. They miss the biggest Easter
24:27
egg. And like I said, wish list where
24:29
all the dollar signs are like, like those things are like bold
24:33
in your face. And that's why I think back a
24:35
lot of the times to that song You're Losing Me, which is how
24:38
long can we be a sad song till we were too far gone to bring
24:40
back to life that entire bridge right there.
24:43
I feel like it's to the fandom. I think when she said, remember
24:46
looking at this room, we loved it because of the light.
24:48
And then I think back to the opening of the Heirs tour where
24:51
she's talking about let's go on these memories one last time.
24:54
The errors are fading into Gray, but how the errors tour starts
24:57
with her in all of these. Rooms, a lot of these songs that
24:59
we think are romantic or like the poems that she releases that
25:02
we think are like all about love.
25:04
I think are about her fans. I think there's like a morning
25:06
there of like, look at what I created a little bit.
25:10
And she probably feels such a disconnect from how people kind
25:15
of think she is. And that's a concept.
25:18
She toys around, she toys a lot around with, she toys around a
25:24
lot with. And and that whole concept
25:28
really comes down to what Gaylors and performance art lers
25:30
have been talking about, which is like these multiple tailors.
25:33
And and I don't know how you can really like not see that because
25:39
it's kind of a concept that makes sense in for entertainment
25:42
in general, version of you, for the public, a version of
25:45
yourself, like a version of and it's just heightened and
25:49
extreme. We we see that with tons of
25:52
different, you know, entertainers.
25:55
We saw it with Ke$ha. How Ke$ha?
25:57
Right. Persona and how she's actually
26:00
like this girl who doesn't need auto tune.
26:03
This woman who doesn't need auto tune and has layers and if I was
26:08
in Taylor's shoes, I would always kind of be like torn
26:11
because I'm so thankful for the fact that you've made me rich
26:15
period. I want to be here if it wasn't
26:18
for you. But at the same time, it's like
26:21
you really don't understand me. And how hard must it be for the
26:25
the group of people who claims to love you the most?
26:27
Not really get you point where she's able to use love to
26:32
describe relationships with her fans mastermind.
26:36
It's straight up that that ability where it sounds like a
26:40
love song where it's plotting and I'm going to get this person
26:42
that I want, but then also like it's like, no, it's about how
26:45
I'm going to lay the groundwork and watch all of this happen and
26:48
now you're going to be mine or Long live the way that she uses
26:53
like this love song. I'm like, you know, fighting
26:55
these battles and like, you know, this imagery of Dragons as
26:59
the time on a tour, which is crazy to think about.
27:01
Like it's speak now girl, it's just but like and so she she
27:07
does have a way with creating imagery and metaphors.
27:10
What I do, what I do want to go back to that you, you wanted me
27:13
to, is the lyrics of the album and like what people think are
27:19
good versus bad, Like are they intentionally bad lyrics?
27:24
And also like I feel like this is the time before we get into
27:26
like the docu series and like prediction.
27:29
It's like this is the time for the State of the Union.
27:31
If you are one of the gamers of performance ardors who's like I
27:34
do not like this album because the lyrics are just not there.
27:38
It's like that. That's the whole point.
27:40
The lyrics aren't supposed to be good because we're right.
27:44
That's the whole the lyrics aren't good because we are
27:48
right, which is part of the reason why, like when I say game
27:51
is a performance artless, we're losing the plot with a lot of
27:54
the discourse that I have seen. Haley I was kind of like
27:57
enjoying my last like bits of summer was with Melinda and
28:01
James. We listened to the album all the
28:03
way through. I was drinking vodka and
28:05
Gatorade just laughing the entire time.
28:08
And like at the end I'm like, oh, OK, cool.
28:10
Like exactly. But we thought not you Google
28:13
then. So then like I realized the
28:15
mainstream softy group chat that I was in was dead the next
28:18
morning. I'm like, y'all hated it.
28:19
That's funny. And gaylors are like
28:21
collectively losing it like and I'm like, OK, she's a what?
28:25
She's a trap wife. Then the next weekend the
28:28
weekend starts and all of a sudden she's racist and
28:31
mainstream is losing the plot and so she's then Masons and
28:34
MAGA and a Tran wife. I come back from when the
28:37
weekend is open and then she a Nazi and I'm like what time?
28:42
Nazi gate really was like I was like OK hold up.
28:46
I was never thinking she is MAGA, she is Trump or pro Trump.
28:52
I was thinking I'm high, I don't like this album.
28:58
Then I was thinking MAGA likes this album.
29:02
And then I took some time and I was like, I like the concept you
29:08
have. It's a different type of album
29:10
and it's not for consuming in a way that you're like, oh, this
29:13
is poetry. And in the best music she's ever
29:16
written, we Taylor Swift is way bigger than that.
29:20
She sees herself way bigger than that.
29:22
She has this interview where she's like, I'm focused on
29:25
legacy here, people. And it's like, right, get with
29:28
the program, guys. This is pretty much so high
29:31
school worth and an entire album.
29:34
We are beyond enjoying songs now like we are in a commentary of
29:42
entertainment right now. And if you think about how we
29:46
really understood the antihero music video, again, gaylors and
29:49
performance artlers lock in. We saw the tortured poets
29:53
department Taylor. We saw the real Taylor and the
29:56
Taylor that was teaching this Taylor right.
29:59
The showgirl Taylor was what we call the evil Taylor, Which
30:02
again, we shouldn't be surprised if this is performance art.
30:06
But what did evil Taylor have to do to survive?
30:09
She literally molded herself into everything to make the fans
30:13
like her. She became the most palatable
30:15
version of herself. So why would be surprised if
30:19
that Taylor is getting personified right and she's
30:22
bringing this character to life? That's what this album is.
30:26
We got the Taylor. I feel like we got the real
30:28
Taylor at Midnight's to be honest.
30:30
That sounds like that girl. We got the TTPD version.
30:33
I was a functioning alcoholic till nobody noticed my new
30:36
aesthetic and then proceeded to watch her get drunk at all of
30:39
these word shows and say nothing.
30:40
And I'm not saying that the girl had alcohol in her drinks, but
30:44
like the fact that her fans aren't like hey Taylor girl, you
30:47
good you. OK, why are you always drinking
30:50
in these public occasions? You are with your boyfriend.
30:53
I exactly Showgirl Taylor. My light just died.
30:57
Look. At China, shine some light like
31:00
laughing you like Does this help?
31:03
I'm dead. Because I would be like, yeah,
31:04
that works, whatever, it's just going to die and that's OK.
31:07
She is turning into the type of person that she presented in
31:13
anti hearing music video literally like the person that
31:16
we see the one who's like drinking and and taking shots.
31:21
I mean that is so clearly showing like this is the girl
31:25
that is the evil 1. And what does an evil person do?
31:29
She doesn't talk about politics. She makes people think that she
31:34
he's kind of a trad wife. And at the end of the day, I do
31:38
think that Taylor is doing that intentionally.
31:40
You can debate if that's moral all you want, but like, I do
31:45
think this is part of her plan. And maybe she, honestly, when
31:50
she set this out four years ago, I don't think she was
31:54
necessarily thinking like, oh, is Trump going to win in 2024,
31:58
you know? You know, the other part about
32:00
it is, you know, if you believe this is performance art and you
32:03
have a hard time with her not saying anything politically or
32:07
if you think this is a a big and she's about to pull the rug
32:12
underneath everybody's feet with this PR relationship.
32:16
It. I don't know how people are so
32:17
hard pressed to realize that that doesn't then force people
32:20
to listen. And honestly, though, if you if
32:23
you really want to think about the message, right, that Taylor
32:26
Swift would be sending with this whole era of performance art, if
32:30
you think that she is doing performance art, it's how easy
32:34
the media can take control of a narrative and paint a picture
32:38
for you to consume. And that's what you were forced
32:41
to believe because she's done the exact opposite of what the
32:44
all the article said. But yet they're still forced to
32:46
consume this. So she has all of these people
32:49
invested, pulls the rug out and then explains, yeah, actually
32:52
this was performance art. All of it was fake.
32:54
And there was a point that I was trying to prove.
32:56
Here's a little bit more of the real me.
32:58
Now you're forced to Listen, I understand a lot of people have
33:03
the perception that the NFL is MAGA.
33:06
And I think we got to clarify a couple of things.
33:08
Majority of those players are black, one of the few people who
33:14
actually kneeled once they find Colin Kaepernick and continue to
33:19
so do we not? Do we forget how they teed him
33:22
up with Pfizer? It's like, you know, remember
33:24
the reputation prologue of if there wasn't a picture of it,
33:27
then it didn't happen. If you really think this is
33:29
performance art, that there's a point where it's like it's
33:31
designed to get you to question things.
33:33
And maybe we have to caution ourselves to not fall for
33:36
optics. Yeah, and I do think as much as
33:40
you were right that Rep, the whole reputation is not going to
33:43
be released. She did say she would release
33:46
the vault. Tracks.
33:47
No, we get in those vault tracks.
33:48
I think canceled was a vault track because just what you said
33:51
right there. It's easy to love you when
33:53
you're popular. The optics click, everyone
33:56
prospers, but one single drop, you're off the roster, tone deaf
34:01
and hot. Let's fucking offer.
34:03
I'm sorry, but Titan University. She's absolutely foreshadowing.
34:08
I think of reputation times 2, except this time it's like on
34:12
purpose and last time it wasn't. What if the first time it was on
34:15
purpose? Love.
34:17
Everyone loves a redemption story.
34:20
Yes. And think about the like the
34:22
whole Caleb Nicole of it all and thinking people are on the
34:24
payroll. You know, everybody got their
34:28
fan base where they wanted of the Kardashians got the people
34:31
who love them. Kanye got the people who like
34:34
they you weren't going to really go outside of your groups
34:37
anyway. And so everybody just kind of
34:39
got their fan base is riled up because you were going to hate
34:42
each other anyway. I think she is mastered the
34:47
ability to weave around a narrative, yes, and figure out
34:52
what works for her. And a lot of that is in order to
34:55
stay relevant as a female artist, and a lot of it is
34:57
really genius. You dug my dug me out of the
35:00
grave and saved my heart from the fate of Ophelia, who was
35:05
Taylor Swift digging up out of the grave in the beginning, the
35:08
old she was burying the old Taylor.
35:10
I I think it's an interesting thought because reputation, one
35:13
of the main reasons why Taylor profited, not profited, but
35:17
personally it was beneficial for her to be cancelled is because
35:20
she went off the grid for a whole year and got to be with
35:22
the person that she loved for a whole fucking year.
35:25
And I do think it's interesting that before the whole Kanye
35:28
situation happened, kiss gate happened.
35:30
How are we going to find a way to be together if we're
35:32
constantly going to have cameras in her face?
35:35
You need to go off the grid for a year.
35:37
And then we have a similar like the tie between Carly and Kanye.
35:42
Those two dramas happening at the same time is interesting.
35:45
And then we also have The Masters and Lover coming out
35:51
right around the same time. Politics and gender roles and
35:53
you're not sure and I don't know.
35:55
Yeah, no, I think it's really, I think it's interesting and I
35:58
just like the fact that now we're not getting Reputation and
36:01
now she's getting cancelled. And so maybe she wrote a crappy
36:04
album and didn't expect it. Then why is there a song about
36:07
cancellation? Why is there a whole poem being
36:10
like, they're gonna tear me apart if you're at the peak of
36:15
your happiness? But like, yeah, she's like, I
36:18
wanted to make this album for a really, really long time, which
36:21
kind of this bit like I've wanted to like burn this down
36:25
for a while. I just think I'm kind of ready
36:27
for it. And like you said, foreshadowing
36:29
A cancellation. I think it comes back to I'm
36:31
going to be get you back where it's I can feel it coming,
36:35
humming in the way you move, push the reset button or
36:37
becoming something new. Eras fading into Gray.
36:39
Whatever it is that she need wants to accomplish, the eras
36:43
have to fade into Gray. I've been wanting to make this
36:45
album for a very long time, yes. I don't know about your
36:48
definition of a very long time, but I would say that that's
36:52
longer than two years. Oh yeah.
36:54
I would say that's longer than a year and a half, which when she
36:57
wrote this album, she'd been with Travis for maybe a little
37:01
over a year. When she said that she wrote
37:04
this album, she said summer of 2024 they started dating.
37:07
Summer of 2023, there have been together for one year.
37:10
When she's writing these songs, when she's saying she's writing
37:14
these songs, so she's saying, I've been wanting to make this
37:17
album for a very long time. The entire album, Swifties are
37:20
saying he's about Travis. They're saying every single song
37:23
is about Travis. So what the fuck are you?
37:27
That's another lie. If you think she's writing the
37:30
song about the album about Travis, then one of them isn't
37:34
true. Should we talk about I?
37:37
Think the docu series is what we should talk.
37:39
About yeah, it might be her perhaps final chapter or maybe
37:43
cementing chapter and she says it like the final era or like.
37:47
No, she says. The only thing left is to close
37:49
the book to. Close the fucking book of the
37:53
era, you guys. The eras are done.
37:56
It goes back to the manuscript. Yeah.
38:00
The years passed like scenes in a show, the professor said to
38:04
write what, you know, looking backwards is the only way to
38:07
move forward. Then the actors were hitting
38:09
their marks, The actors, the heiress tour, dancers like
38:12
Travis Kelsey was on the Errors tour.
38:14
And I feel like, again, he's an actor, right?
38:17
And so when she says the only thing that's left is to close
38:20
the book, it's like the only thing that's left is the
38:22
manuscript. One last souvenir trip to your
38:24
shores, right? I feel like the Eris tour was
38:27
really that last souvenir, and then it was probably gonna go
38:31
all downhill from there. I don't know if there's a fear,
38:33
but this is my hope. I would like it to show how all
38:37
of these things have been choreographed.
38:39
I think it would be funny if that phone call where it's like
38:42
you're really good at what you do and I'm really good at what I
38:44
do. Like we I would laugh if that
38:46
phone call was like from 2020. Dude, or if this phone call was
38:51
like, yeah, like you're performing on stage, we both
38:54
perform or some there's going to be something in there.
38:57
Like, like if you think this, that she is performance art
39:01
learning, of course Travis is going to be in it because if he
39:04
wasn't in it, I would be like, are they real?
39:07
I think that fans are going into it with this expert.
39:10
It's like the same beat and switch.
39:11
I'm seeing you and there's some Travis content getting you all
39:13
excited for the Tavis. And then it's going to be like,
39:16
wait a minute, this is not what I expected.
39:18
Wait a minute this year. And I think that's maybe what
39:22
like, like I said, I just expect there to be more about like
39:27
pulling back the curtain. And she's talked about that.
39:30
And I think that the pulling back the curtain is a series of
39:33
events that happened. You pull back the curtain, and
39:36
who is it? The wizard.
39:38
He's been choreographing this entire thing.
39:42
You pull back the curtain and it's not a love story.
39:44
You pull back the curtain and it's Taylor Swift, the
39:45
mastermind. Because she starts off, you
39:48
know, people think that talk about phenomenons as if
39:50
everything just falls into place.
39:52
And I think she's going to show how like, no, everything did not
39:54
just fall into place. Everything was perfectly planned
39:57
like. We are going to get footage of
39:59
something involving the French. Ship bracelet.
40:02
And I think that's kind of like, I think it's going to blow up
40:04
the timeline in some way. I guess that's my thinking.
40:06
I don't know how, but it's going to blow up the timeline.
40:08
It's probably going to blow up the Maddie Healey timeline a
40:10
little bit too. Yeah, I think it's probably
40:12
going to blow up the Joe time. I think it's just going to cause
40:15
a whole bunch of like people except for Gaylors to be like.
40:19
Yeah, I think it's just going to show more inconsistencies and,
40:23
like, contradictions, like she's been saying also with the
40:26
recording of the like, Showgirl, she very plainly and clearly did
40:31
not record this album in the summer of 2024, period, like.
40:34
I also wondered if our theories about the surprise songs and
40:38
like, her doing like, really, really gay stuff is like, you
40:41
know, going to be in there. I just, yeah.
40:44
Footage of the friends of. Dorothea One.
40:48
I just think, I just think there's going to be so many
40:50
little things. What if we're featured?
40:53
What if like, you know, I've had this thing where I'm like, if I
40:57
hear my laugh? Yes, there's going to be a
41:02
montage of hate from the Internet and it's going to be
41:06
our faces, you know, in the beginning of the reputation
41:12
Stadium to her when like she has the montage at the news segments
41:15
like Nikki Glazers in it and they're like, she's just a
41:17
bitch. It's going to be like us.
41:20
Girl, if I hear that I'm shutting the TV off.
41:23
I'm trying to cut the cameras. This also like, makes me wonder
41:27
because I'm still a big believer that the ghosting of the Prince
41:30
happens. I'm a big believer.
41:33
I also think it's funny she wasn't there for the
41:35
Thanksgiving Day game. Mental gymnastics, it should be
41:38
the word should be the phrase of the year, I think because the
41:41
mental gymnastics to explain she's not at the game because
41:44
she doesn't go to away games. But it is Thanksgiving.
41:49
And by the way, you're telling me she can't go to away games
41:52
because of security, whatever the fuck.
41:54
Meanwhile, she's out getting dinner, she's out on the street,
41:58
she's out at new places in new cities.
42:00
She's never been to all this. See, she had the whole fucking
42:04
black thing covering her in the stadium, but she wouldn't do
42:08
that. She wouldn't do that for this
42:10
other game. This.
42:11
Is how swifties be doing mental gymnastics.
42:15
No for real, all these little like articles popping up
42:18
recently being like Taylor and Travis are fighting Taylor and
42:22
Travis the wedding like plans are like Taylor Inc.
42:27
Like I said, I'm a big fan of the ghosting of the Prince
42:30
happening. I think it would be funny if it
42:32
happened before the docu series came out because then Swifties
42:35
are going to have to watch it, which would be the funniest
42:40
thing in the world. I know the ghosting of the
42:43
Prince is going to happen and here's why I've been told to
42:45
enjoy the show by the pumpkin post, whether you believe in
42:48
those or not. But just like if anybody
42:50
mainstream is watching this, we already had Laura Dern confirm
42:53
she's been egging. We see the ring, we see the how
42:56
she's mocking a marriage proposal.
42:57
Y'all like we see how all of these things are like curated
43:01
for swifties, like those engagement photos.
43:03
Taylor Swift has so much more money.
43:05
So and we also see like queen Pat saying like, you know, hey,
43:08
this was the teaser for showgirl.
43:09
What happens? She goes to Prince.
43:11
I just don't know if it happens before, which I don't think it's
43:15
going to happen before the docu series.
43:16
I don't know if it's just going to be like, hey, actually this
43:18
wasn't real. And the the Eras Tour movie feel
43:21
like it comes before TS 13 because I feel like there is
43:26
going to be like some closure right to them.
43:31
She is, and you know her story and the queerness behind it.
43:36
Because like I said, you can't be a performance Artler without
43:38
being a Gaylord. Because if you're, what's the
43:41
point of the performance? Then there would be a level of
43:44
performance, but you would never do this much relationship
43:48
focused performance art. He is so much more performance
43:52
art focused and he's so perfectly cast in this role
43:56
because Joe was just indie enough to be like, oh, maybe
44:01
they are together, Travis. The whole thing just is so
44:06
comically Hallmark movie that it's so perfect for the movie
44:12
she is writing for us. I agree.
44:14
Yeah, we were talking for at least two hours.
44:17
It's crazy how fast it goes by though.
44:19
I'm very interested to see what's going to happen with this
44:22
Talk You series. I totally agree that we're going
44:25
to get some major timeline shifts here and I wonder like
44:29
how much is going to actually shake the Swifty base?
44:33
Any final thoughts from you? And the fact that she's doing it
44:36
over the course of, like it's not all being released at once,
44:39
right? Is it like over the course of?
44:40
Yeah, I think they're getting released on different days.
44:43
So it's like it gives time for discourse to happen and then
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more things to happen, which I think is.
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We'll love it. Thank you so much for coming on
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Sydney. Do you want to plug your
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socials? It is at Sydney Baker green
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SIDNEYBAKERGREEN That's it for YouTube.
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Y'all probably already know me on TikTok which is Google me.
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Following the TikTok guys like it is God like.
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So refreshing to see your face. Did you see my albums back
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there? Yeah, I love it.
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Well, that's it for episode you guys.
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I realized I didn't do any updates from the beginning of
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the episode. However, go to my Patreon and
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Spotify for some bonus episodes. I have on different Gaylord
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interpretations of some songs and I have a promotion going on
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in my link tree for Talkspace. Think that's about.
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If you ever start to hate the life of a showgirl, just
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remember that Taylor Swift wrote a song called Honey, supposedly
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about Travis Kelsey and it's all the time women were mean to her
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when they called her Honey. Dude right, that's it.
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Bye. See you guys.