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Stale Cookies and 'Cheating' Influencers · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, a young
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  Speaker 1: woman is claiming the husband of a well-known Aussie influencer
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  Speaker 1: has impregnated her. Anna McAvoy calls Matt Sikowsky out for
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  Speaker 1: not inviting her to his joint Bucks party and the
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  Speaker 1: cookie pop-up labeled a scam. But first, twin sisters and influencers,
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  Speaker 1: Bridget and Danielle Folong have shocked the internet After revealing
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  Speaker 1: they share their underwear and only have one bra between them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so the 27-year-old influencers share over 725,000 followers on Instagram
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  Speaker 1: and they were interviewed on the Gals on the Go
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  Speaker 1: podcast when they made the shock confession. Let's have a
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  Speaker 1: listen to what they said. We only have one bra.
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  Speaker 2: We.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Oh, stop. Because we, and we share underwear. So
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  Speaker 1: that's crazy. We share underwear. Like a shared drawer. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And we only have one bra because we don't wear bras.
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  Speaker 1: But whenever we need a bra, we're like, wait, we're
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  Speaker 1: fighting over it. Who has the bra? Well, right now
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  Speaker 1: I'm wearing it. But this is a rare occasion. We
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  Speaker 1: have two bras, but we share both of them. But
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  Speaker 1: one's nude, one's black. So it's basically half and one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: one's black, one's nude. And we share underwear. And I
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  Speaker 1: just feel like, no, that is so niche. Like the
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  Speaker 1: listeners are going to be like, you guys are weird
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  Speaker 1: as f * * k. As a triplet, I kind
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  Speaker 1: of get the sharing of underpants. Amy has told me
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  Speaker 1: not to say this, but I kind of get it
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  Speaker 1: because if you live together and you're doing the washing,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you might get confused about which pair's yours, but
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  Speaker 1: what has stumped me is the fact that they share bras.
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  Speaker 1: Like that is a surefire way to have a huge
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  Speaker 1: argument because what if one day you're wearing a white
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  Speaker 1: top or you're both wearing white tops and you want
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  Speaker 1: the white bra? Like that's just pandemonium. Well, I actually
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  Speaker 1: think it's more revolting to share underpants than it is
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  Speaker 1: a bra.
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 1: They get washed. Because like there's stuff going on. Like I, look,
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  Speaker 1: when we were kids, we probably incidentally shared underpants because
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  Speaker 1: whose parent is really separating their undies? But when we
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  Speaker 1: moved in together- It was clear. These are my undies.
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  Speaker 1: These are your undies. I'm opposite. Yeah, some of them
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  Speaker 1: could have been mixed up. But I'm opposite. I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: chilled with this sort of stuff. I'm wearing your undies.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't disgust me. Like to be honest, I've got
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  Speaker 1: a couple of pairs of Kate's underpants at my house
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  Speaker 1: that somehow got intertwined when we moved and I just
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  Speaker 1: wear them. I don't care. This is disgusting and I
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  Speaker 1: just can sense some kind of Daily Mail article. Hopefully not.
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  Speaker 1: Who cares? They get washed. It's funny because you just
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  Speaker 1: mentioned about the white and the black bra because after
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  Speaker 1: the girls made the confession on this podcast– one of
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  Speaker 1: the hosts said, well, who's wearing the bra today? And
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  Speaker 1: they said, well, actually, we both have a bra on.
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  Speaker 1: So we have one black bra and one white bra,
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  Speaker 1: but things do get heated if they need that one
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  Speaker 1: colored bra. Yeah. Well, I can, that's just stupid. Like
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  Speaker 1: just go and buy a bra each. And obviously well
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  Speaker 1: off as well. They've got 725,000 followers. Maybe this was
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  Speaker 1: a ploy to get some lingerie brands to send them
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  Speaker 1: some underwear and bras. I mean, as if they haven't
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  Speaker 1: had any already sending them stuff. I also think it's
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  Speaker 1: because it's a new cool girl, young thing not to
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  Speaker 1: wear bras anymore. Like I've heard on the grapevine that
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  Speaker 1: small perky tits is apparently in fashion. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know when it went out of fashion having perky tits,
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  Speaker 1: but apparently everyone wants small tits. So we are in fashion, Amy. Yes. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I did notice this because a lot of the mannequins
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  Speaker 1: in the stores don't have bras on as well. How
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  Speaker 1: old does that make me sound? But a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people have had a lot of opinions on this online
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  Speaker 1: and So there were twins who were weighing into the
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  Speaker 1: comment section of the Now Viral podcast clip. One twin said,
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  Speaker 1: my twin and I don't even hug, let alone share underwear. No,
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  Speaker 1: straight to jail. Another one said, my twin and I
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  Speaker 1: would first fight every day if we did this. Now
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  Speaker 1: there were some other sisters defending the girl's decision and
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  Speaker 1: they said, well, they have the same DNA. Well, another
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  Speaker 1: twin said she and her sister also do this. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's weird. I actually do not think
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  Speaker 1: it's weird at all. A 27 to share underpants? No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's weird because they probably live together.
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  Speaker 1: It's probably very difficult. They're the same size. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's quite a smart decision because you only have to
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  Speaker 1: do one load of washing. Like I share a towel
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  Speaker 1: with my partner. That's gross. I'm sorry, you're a grub.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm concerned now. Do you have my underwear in
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  Speaker 1: your house? No. I wouldn't fucking take your underwear. Your
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  Speaker 1: old Bond shit. So if I said to you, Sophie, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, like say you had to get changed
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, here's a pair of my underpants.
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  Speaker 1: You can wear them. Would you wear them? Depends what
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  Speaker 1: type they were. See, I would not if you said
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather fucking have no undies on. What's the difference
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  Speaker 1: between socks? Intimate about sharing someone's underpants. I think it's weird. Now,
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  Speaker 1: what I love about these girls is they have been
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  Speaker 1: having fun with this. So they recently shared a TikTok
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  Speaker 1: joking that they were finally moving away from each other
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  Speaker 1: after living together their whole lives. And in the video,
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  Speaker 1: the girls are seen fighting over the nude bra. I
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  Speaker 1: wonder if they were caught off guard about this because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's some like multiple like twin, triplet things
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  Speaker 1: that you think are normal. Yeah. And then suddenly when
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  Speaker 1: you repeat it to another person, you're like, oh, fuck,
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  Speaker 1: this is actually quite weird. No, I think they were
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  Speaker 1: aware that they were going to cop shit over this.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to put something up on our Instagram and
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  Speaker 1: in our Facebook community. Any twins, triplets, sisters, reach out.
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  Speaker 1: Do you share the same underpants and is it weird?
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  Speaker 1: Who's paying $ 17. 50 for a stale fucking cookie? Not me.
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  Speaker 1: Australian fans of US cookie giant Crumble thought they were
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  Speaker 1: in for a sweet treat when news broke on social
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  Speaker 1: media that a pop-up shop selling the popular cookies was
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  Speaker 1: coming to North Bondi. However, fans have labelled the pop-up
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  Speaker 1: store as a scam and accused the organisers of selling
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  Speaker 1: stale cookies. Amy, I need to know more about this. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people on TikTok are currently saying that
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  Speaker 1: this is their Roman empire. So hundreds of people lined
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  Speaker 1: up to get their hands on the popular cookies after
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  Speaker 1: seeing promotions all over Instagram and Facebook from an account
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  Speaker 1: called Crumble Sydney. Now, for those who haven't heard of Crumble,
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  Speaker 1: it is a US-owned store which started in 2017 and
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  Speaker 1: it is spread across the US and Canada. There are
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  Speaker 1: currently no Crumble stores in Australia. So this is why
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people got excited when they heard about
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  Speaker 1: the pop-up store. And what has sparked a lot of anger, firstly,
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  Speaker 1: is the price of the cookies. A crumble cookie in
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  Speaker 1: the US will set you back around five US dollars,
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  Speaker 1: which is the equivalent of seven Australian dollars. However, when
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  Speaker 1: people arrived at this pop-up store, they were being charged
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  Speaker 1: $ 17. 50 per cookie. Like firstly, who has $ 17. 50 in this
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  Speaker 1: cost of living crisis to spend on a cookie? That
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  Speaker 1: is extortionate. I'm sorry, that is absolutely taking the piss
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  Speaker 1: and taking advantage of people. Well, you could get a
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  Speaker 1: box of five cookies for $ 45. That's still $ 45. fucking crazy.
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  Speaker 1: And they were also selling crumble cookie cutters for a
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  Speaker 1: whopping $ 75 each. For one cookie cutter? Yeah. Oh, fuck.
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  Speaker 1: What's the shape of the cookie cutter? What, a circle? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing that remarkable. And a lot of the people in
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  Speaker 1: this line were actually TikTokers because people were wanting to
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  Speaker 1: do a lot of the taste test videos. So I
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  Speaker 1: saw one woman on TikTok who had bought 10 cookies
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  Speaker 1: costing $ 175. Wow. Now the shit really hit the fan
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  Speaker 1: after the pop-up when dozens of disappointed customers hit out
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  Speaker 1: at the organizers on social media and they started to
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  Speaker 1: complain that the cookies tasted stale and it became evident
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  Speaker 1: that the event was not a real crumble pop-up and
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  Speaker 1: unhappy customers started labeling the organizers as deceptive and dishonest.
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  Speaker 1: Now can you believe that it has actually come out
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  Speaker 1: that the event was organized by some randoms who basically
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  Speaker 1: just flew to the US, bought a thousand crumble cookies
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  Speaker 1: over there and flew them back. Like that is the reality. Wait,
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  Speaker 1: so how did they fly them all back though? Like
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  Speaker 1: what they brought over so many suitcases or sent them.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, no one of these things was stale. They
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  Speaker 1: probably tasted like rocks. I know. So everything basically began
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  Speaker 1: unraveling online. And that's when the organizers shut down their
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  Speaker 1: Instagram page And they started removing all of their posts
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  Speaker 1: on TikTok and they tried to distance themselves from this firestorm.
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  Speaker 1: So the backlash prompted the organizers to finally release a statement,
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  Speaker 1: which is linked on their TikTok account. And it's funny
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  Speaker 1: because they've since changed their bio. So it now reads,
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  Speaker 1: not endorsed by Crumble, just fans importing. Now the release
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  Speaker 1: they put out was incredibly detailed. And I think this
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  Speaker 1: is because this is becoming a huge story. It's making
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  Speaker 1: international headlines. And in the statement, they confirmed they were
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  Speaker 1: not officially crumble, but claimed it was clearly stated in
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  Speaker 1: their bio and comments. They wrote, our goal was to
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  Speaker 1: bring the authentic crumble cookies to Australia by importing the
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  Speaker 1: cookies directly from the USA. They also confirmed that the
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  Speaker 1: cookies were genuine crumble cookies because there are a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people on TikTok saying, well, did they just bring
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  Speaker 1: in the boxes and make their own cookies? So they
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  Speaker 1: confirmed that they traveled to the US to purchase them
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  Speaker 1: and they imported them with their original packaging. They even
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  Speaker 1: included receipts to show exactly how much they paid for
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  Speaker 1: the cookies. The statement also addressed the trademark concern, saying
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  Speaker 1: at no point did they use their trademark in their
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  Speaker 1: videos on TikTok. But if you look at all of
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  Speaker 1: the videos on TikTok of the pop-up store that other
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  Speaker 1: people are sharing, you can clearly see that the crumble
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  Speaker 1: logo is on a lot of the marketing material. Now,
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  Speaker 1: in regards to food standards, because there was a lot
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  Speaker 1: of concern by TikTok users saying, well, What would have
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  Speaker 1: happened if someone got seriously ill from one of these cookies?
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  Speaker 1: And how old are they? Yeah. So a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people were actually saying, I actually felt quite sick after
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  Speaker 1: consuming one. So the organizers claim that the crumble cookies
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  Speaker 1: should be kept at room temperature in an airtight container
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  Speaker 1: for up to three days or refrigerated for up to
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  Speaker 1: seven days. That's not long for a cookie to last,
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  Speaker 1: particularly when you consider the fact that they're full of sugar,
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  Speaker 1: which makes them last longer. Yeah, they would have been awful.
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  Speaker 1: So the organiser said, we kept them to these requirements.
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  Speaker 1: Some were warm to enhance their texture, which is what
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  Speaker 1: crumble does as well. I mean, what kind of proof
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  Speaker 1: do they have though? Because they were importing a huge
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  Speaker 1: amount of cookies into the country and Like I highly
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  Speaker 1: doubt that these were refrigerated. Now, things got really juicy
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  Speaker 1: when they released information on their apparent profits and costs.
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  Speaker 1: So the organizers claimed it was never about making money
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  Speaker 1: from this pop-up. They said it was all about bringing
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  Speaker 1: the cookies to crumble fans. So is that why they
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  Speaker 1: charged extortionate prices and $ 75 for a fucking cookie cutter? Like,
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  Speaker 1: come on. I think they know they're in the wrong
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  Speaker 1: because they've even itemized their costs. So they've said they
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  Speaker 1: spent $ 4, 000 on flights and luggage to get the cookies back.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure they probably went over and had
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a holiday in the US. They didn't
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  Speaker 1: just go over to get cookies oh it's all very
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  Speaker 1: professional why am I getting in my head Newman from
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  Speaker 1: Seinfeld when he was brought in with all of the
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  Speaker 1: bags of muffins like for some reason I just imagine
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  Speaker 1: this you know just all these cookies and different suitcases
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  Speaker 1: makes me feel sick um they also said that they
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  Speaker 1: spent six thousand dollars on the cookies and packaging two
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars on duties and taxes because they did claim
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  Speaker 1: the cookies when they brought them into Australia and they
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  Speaker 1: said they spent over one thousand dollars on staff fees
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  Speaker 1: So this equals $ 13, 000 in costs. Now, if you do
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  Speaker 1: the sums, they had around a thousand cookies, which they
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  Speaker 1: were selling for $ 17. 50. So I'm not taking into account
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  Speaker 1: the cookie cutters, but they would have made around 17
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  Speaker 1: and a half grand. So they're trying to imply that
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  Speaker 1: they only made a profit of four and a half grand.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, would you really go to all of this
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  Speaker 1: effort for four and a half grand? Well, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like they would have made a fuck ton if anyone
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  Speaker 1: was buying those cookie cutters as well. But it's clear
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  Speaker 1: that they did this for a profit. They didn't just
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  Speaker 1: do it out of the goodness of their hearts because
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  Speaker 1: they're so keen to bring these cookies to Australia. And
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  Speaker 1: it's such a dumb move because they've opened themselves up to, one,
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  Speaker 1: what if people got really sick from the cookies? Two,
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  Speaker 1: the legalities around taking a brand's name and pretending that
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  Speaker 1: you're part of that brand. Yeah, well, on the legal front,
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  Speaker 1: they also went on to claim in this statement that
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  Speaker 1: what they did wasn't illegal. So they said it is
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  Speaker 1: called parallel importing. So parallel importing is defined as a
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  Speaker 1: business who buys genuine products from overseas and imports and
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  Speaker 1: sells them in Australia without authorization from the manufacturer. So
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  Speaker 1: it's also known as gray importing. So a business who
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  Speaker 1: is supplying parallel imports must, one, make sure the products
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  Speaker 1: comply with Australian product safety and labeling requirements. And this
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  Speaker 1: is where I think they might be in a bit
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  Speaker 1: of hot water because I don't know if they can
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  Speaker 1: actually say that it complied with Australian food and safety laws.
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  Speaker 1: Where was it written that the cookies had to be
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  Speaker 1: refrigerated after three days or whatever they're saying? Where I
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  Speaker 1: think they might get in hot water is under the
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  Speaker 1: consumer rights section of parallel importing. It states that people
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  Speaker 1: engaging in parallel importing cannot identify a relationship or any
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  Speaker 1: association between the seller and the manufacturer. And they have
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  Speaker 1: come out on Instagram and TikTok calling themselves crumble Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: If you are Joe Blow and you say that, you
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  Speaker 1: just assume they are part of the crumble business. This
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  Speaker 1: story is everywhere. And the Today Show interviewed Sydney lawyer,
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  Speaker 1: Jahan Kalanta, who weighed in on the debacle. So he
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  Speaker 1: said it was clearly a case of them scamming people.
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  Speaker 1: And he even went as far as suggesting that the
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  Speaker 1: real crumble should pursue legal action. He said the reality
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  Speaker 1: is they pass themselves off as crumble and And once
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  Speaker 1: they were called out online, all of a sudden, they
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  Speaker 1: were claiming they're just cookie enthusiasts. They said they were
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  Speaker 1: just here to provide an experience or a taste, but
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  Speaker 1: it's a trademark infringement. Now, it's unclear whether the company
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  Speaker 1: will actually take legal action against this pop-up store. So far,
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  Speaker 1: we have only heard from one of Crumble's co-founders, Sawyer Hemsley.
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  Speaker 1: So he actually commented on an Australian TikToker's video and
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  Speaker 1: she had obtained 10 of the Crumble cookies from Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: And he wrote, you need to try them fresh in
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  Speaker 1: the US. P.S. This pop-up is not affiliated with crumble cookie.
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  Speaker 1: So it's quite clear the big wigs are aware of
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  Speaker 1: what is happening. Now, Sophie, do you think this is
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  Speaker 1: actually good or bad PR for crumble? I've never heard
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  Speaker 1: of crumble before, which I mean, people are probably like,
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  Speaker 1: what the hell? But I haven't, I've never traveled to America.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't understand the total craze over this cookie.
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  Speaker 1: So for me, it's made me more curious to think about,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder what it tastes like, wonder what the different
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  Speaker 1: flavors are. And clearly the fact that there were thousands
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  Speaker 1: of people or hundreds of people lining the street and
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  Speaker 1: willing to pay $ 17. 50 for a cookie, it shows that
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  Speaker 1: they must be delicious and it shows that it's a
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  Speaker 1: brand that there's a lot of interest and intrigue around. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this pop-up store has almost done a lot of hard
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  Speaker 1: lifting for Crumble because they've already tested the market for them.
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  Speaker 1: They know people want it desperately. But I think there
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  Speaker 1: are aspects that's quite bad for Crumble because a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people might not have been able to differentiate between
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  Speaker 1: the real Crumble store and this pop-up and they might
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  Speaker 1: assume that this is what their cookies taste like, old
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  Speaker 1: and stale. So it's probably good for Crumble that there
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  Speaker 1: has been so much publicity around it though. We'll have
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  Speaker 1: to wait and see what actually happens to the organisers.
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  Speaker 1: I think this will not be the last we hear
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  Speaker 1: of this story.
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  Speaker 2: You are fucking about to blow up. This man's lifer.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Popular author Kate Forster has dropped a bomb on TikTok,
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  Speaker 1: revealing that the husband of a well-known Aussie influencer has
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  Speaker 1: allegedly impregnated a young woman he was having an affair with. Now,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: before we get into the weeds, as a refresher, who
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: is Kate Forster? Well, her name will sound familiar because
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: back in August, we discussed how she'd gone viral for
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: calling out the Henny cardigan. That was actually one of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite segments in a long time. And since then,
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  Speaker 1: she has exploded in popularity on TikTok. She has over
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  Speaker 1: 60,000 followers and she offers advice and she does funny reviews.
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  Speaker 1: I absolutely love her content. I think she is a legend.
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  Speaker 1: And she's really taken on this new role of an
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  Speaker 1: agony aunt, which is why I think so many people
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  Speaker 1: feel comfortable sending her in gossip because she said that
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  Speaker 1: her DMs are full of information about influencers or people
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  Speaker 1: in the public eye. And she doesn't know what people
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  Speaker 1: want her to do with the information. Now, usually Kate
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  Speaker 1: sits on information like this. However, she decided to reveal
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  Speaker 1: a few details. So on TikTok, she shared a video
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: entitled Secrets in the DMs and added the tea is brewing. Now,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: in this video, Kate revealed that a woman in her
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: early 20s is allegedly having an affair with the husband
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: of a quite well-known Aussie influencer. Now, the young woman
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: claims she is now pregnant and wants to keep the baby,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: but the husband is adamant he doesn't want to keep
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: it and has not told his wife about the affair. Now,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: the reason that Kate chose to divulge this rumour is
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: because she believes the information is true. Here's what she said.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: It's just that the wife is selling this lifestyle and
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: it's not like that because the husband is fucking groping
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: for trout in a peculiar river, as Shakespeare once said.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: So....
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: As far as I could tell, and she sent me
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: some Instagram receipts, I think it is true. And I
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: said to her, you are fucking about to blow this
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: man's life up if you go public with this because
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: she wants to go public. And I said, and you're
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: going to blow the wife's life up because she clearly
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: doesn't know or looks like she doesn't know. I don't know.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: You can't tell anything about social media.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I feel really sorry for this particular influencer if this
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: is true because it would be awful if having all
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: of these people know this information about you, but you
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: don't know anything about it yet. Yeah. I feel a
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: lot of sympathy for her as well. Now, Kate was
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: careful not to outline too many distinguishing details about the
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: couple to the point where I'm struggling to figure out
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: who it is myself. Yeah. And I think it would
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: be irresponsible for us to even guess who it is
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: because you'd We have no idea. We don't even know
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: if this story is true. This is just a rumor. Now,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: the only real clues are that the wife is an
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Aussie influencer who is trying to build a TikTok following.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: So that could be so many people and that the
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: couple are selling this lifestyle that doesn't appear to be true.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm guessing they post about having the perfect family
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: and the perfect relationship. And in defense of this Aussie influencer,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: if she doesn't know about the cheating and maybe she
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: thinks that her and her husband do have a perfect
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: relationship and she's been blindsided by the whole thing. So
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: what she is sharing online feels real to her, if
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah. I mean, look, we've spoken about
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: it before. A lot of what you see on Instagram
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: and TikTok, we all know it's fake. Yeah. Well, this
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: just makes me feel so sick because can you imagine
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: if your husband was having an affair and instead of
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: him or this woman coming to you privately and telling
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: you what happened, you find out by literally a TikTok video,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: like someone going public about it online, presumably for clout
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, I was going to say, I mean,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: what are her motivations for going public? I mean, if
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: she really wants the wife to know, why doesn't she
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: just contact her in her DMs and send proof? Why
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: does it have to be so public? And also, why
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: is she contacting Kate Forster? Yeah, I don't understand why
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: you would DM a total stranger about this private information.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: The only reason I can think of is that This
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: woman is incredibly young and she's pregnant at the moment.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: So she probably feels out of control and really vulnerable.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: And maybe she's going to Kate because she's seen her
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: videos online. Maybe she views her as a bit of
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: a motherly figure. and she can't speak to her friends
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: and family in her life. Maybe they don't know that
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: this affair has been going on and she doesn't feel
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: like she can trust anyone else. Or maybe she feels
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: like they're going to judge her. But it is quite
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: a weird thing to do. It is really weird. I
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: have noticed this trend on TikTok, though, where a lot
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: of former influencers or just general people are calling out influencers,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: but not naming them and saying they've had this run
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: in or this happened to an event. And it's kind of,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're obviously talking about it now. We're not
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: naming any names. But one, as a viewer, it's incredibly
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: frustrating because you want to know who they're talking about.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I also really enjoy it because it's almost that fun
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: game of working out who it is, which can be
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: damaging as well. Yeah, the only people who would not
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: be having fun with this trend is the influencers themselves
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: who are then being like tagged in the comment section. Well,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I also think there's probably a part of this young
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: woman who wants the information to go public and that's
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: why she's telling Kate. Maybe she thinks that by Kate
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: putting this video out there, it'll act as a bit
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: of a warning to the husband that she means business
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: and maybe it'll force him to tell the wife. Well,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: let's hope he's following Kate Forster so he can see
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: the video. I was interested to hear Kate's advice to
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: the woman. So she told her that she is always
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: going to be the mistress and that she is basically
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: going to fuck up her life by going public with
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: this news. She also told her that the husband is
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: probably having numerous affairs and she's not special and that
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: if she goes ahead with her pregnancy... her future child
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: is going to grow up with a shit dad. Wow.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: And also if the wife does find out, that kid
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: will probably never be included in any family things. I mean,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: the advice is pretty spot on. Well, she has got
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: a point there because if you think about any traditional
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: media stories that come out on mistresses or affairs, it
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: is always the woman's fault somehow. Well, it's quite interesting
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: because I don't know if Kate has been monitoring her
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: comment section and because surprisingly, there haven't been many guesses
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: as to who the couple is. I think that she's
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: kept it so vague that people aren't really sure, which
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: is a good thing, but also a bad thing, because
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I wonder how many married Aussie influencers are now suspicious
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: of their husbands over this past week, like checking their phones.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: She's probably had to keep it vague for legal reasons
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: as well, because you can't be making it too niche.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: There aren't that many Aussie influencers out there It's pretty
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: funny because in Kate's comment section, people are calling her
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: the real life gossip girl and said that her advice
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: was spot on. And another follower said, what a loser
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: husband sticking his unprotected dick wherever he wants and has
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: a wife at home. I hope he gets what he deserved.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: The response was quite mixed in our Facebook group though,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: because many people were saying that they love Kate and
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: she's the best thing to happen to TikTok. Whilst others said,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: felt like she'd lost them on this one. They thought
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: it wasn't really funny, particularly when children are involved. Well,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I'm just surprised it hasn't popped up on Aussie Influencer
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Updates or something like that. I have a bit of
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: a bones pick with you. Oh, I knew you were
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: going to follow me. Former Love Islander Anna McAvoy has
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: been left off the invite list of Tammy Hembrough and
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Matt Sikalski's joint Hucks party. The festivities are kicking off
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: this weekend on the Gold Coast with With Anna making
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: it clear she's hurt not to be included. So Anna
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: brought it up on her and Matt's joint podcast. Let's
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: have a listen to what she said. So Matt Zukowski,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: sitting in front of me right here, invited my brother
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: before I even copped an invite. I actually had to
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: ask for an invite from you. Fair enough. Which is
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: actually rude considering you crashed my hen's party. No, but
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: you didn't. You were like, do you have anything to
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: ask me? You answered the phone call like that. It's
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: just about the fact that we are long-term friends. Business partners.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to waste anyone's time. It would be
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: nice to help an invite. Well, did I not say
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: you're more than welcome to come? I don't want to
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: be more than welcome to come. I want to be invited.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: More than welcome to come feels like a pity party.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: What an absolute cop out to say, oh, you're more
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: than welcome to come. I would not feel comfortable, one,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: to book flights to the Gold Coast to attend a
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: party where I didn't get a proper invite because you
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: would literally feel like you were a second thought and
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: as if you were intruding on this. So the bad
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: PR train for Matt Zukoski is continuing. It's not a
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: good look for him. I mean, Anna sounded genuinely hurt.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: You could tell it in her voice. And there's going
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: to be so much hype around this Hux party as well.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: It's going to be all over social media. You would
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: feel so excluded. It's like a high school when you
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: don't get invited to the big party and you know
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it's happening that weekend. And I always think that exclusion
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: is a form of bullying, like at school. I wonder
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: if it's because it's only Matt's male friends that are
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: coming as his half of this Hux party. Well, he
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: said that he didn't invite her because she doesn't quote
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: unquote like the culture that his mates bring when he
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: hangs out with them. Oh, so they're douchebags. Well, that's
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: what I was going to say. So does that mean
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: he acts like an immature jerk around his friends or
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: maybe his friends are not trustworthy when they're on the piss? Like, again,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: that did not paint a good picture. Can I just
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: add in before we get anybody commenting in our reviews
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: that we've stuffed up the word bucks party, we're actually
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: referring to a hucks party. Now that is a term
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: for a joint hens and bucks party. Well, in terms
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: of who he's inviting, he has eight male friends. So
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: a handful of them are his groomsmen. So I get
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: why it could maybe feel weird if Anna was joining
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: them doing all the blokey activities. But I think at
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: the heart of this, she could have been invited to
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Tammy's section of it because they're all planning on meeting
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: up at the end of the night at this Airbnb
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: to keep the party going. So she could have a
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: bit separate. Yeah. So it's separate. So she, but, but
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Anna could have hung out with the girls and I
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: get that Tammy may be having a smaller group of
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: close friends, but you think you would try and include
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Anna because she is Matt's close friend and business partner. Okay.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Now I get it a little bit more because I
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: initially thought that this Hux party was one joint party.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize they were having separate things. I think
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: maybe this is a case of that Tammy doesn't really
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: want her there. And And she probably is friendly with Anna,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: but if she's only having super close friends, then having
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Matt's podcast host come there, it probably, I don't know,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: it might open the door up for other people who
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: now will be offended that they weren't invited. I just
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: think it plays into these consistent rumors that there's beef
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: between the two of them. And that started when Tammy
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: was promoting Bondi Sands and not Anna's tanning company. And
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: then Anna put out this cryptic video, which seemed like
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: it was about Tammy, which I actually think is all crap.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: But the sad thing is it just sort of buys
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: into this theory that they're not close. Even though, as
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: you say, if you were just having a super tight
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: and intimate hens party, you don't really want hangers on.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: But in this case, it's clear that Anna is upset
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: about it. And I think it's also extra rude of
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Matt because Matt attended her hens party. So she had
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: a three-day event and he dropped past to be involved
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: in the game. She said that he crashed the party.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: And it did seem like Tammy wasn't actually invited to
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Anna's hen's party as well. But if you think about it,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: that was back in April. So Tammy and Matt had
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: only been together for five months and Anna and Tammy
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: don't live in the same state. So it's not as
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: though they've exactly had all of this time to get
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: close and hang out with each other. But now that
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: they are going to be friends for life, I do
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: think Anna could have been included. I just think it's
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: a case of Matt not explaining things properly to Anna
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: and not having that sensitive conversation where he's like, I
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: really want you there, but I don't know, would you
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: feel comfortable being around my friends? Or could have she
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: joined up when everyone got together at the end? Yeah,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: but are you really flying all the way to the
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Gold Coast to meet up at like 12 o'clock at night? Yeah.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I just think it's such a weird idea because Matt
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: said that it was his idea to do the joint party.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: And his reason was that he wanted his friends and
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Tammy's friends to get to know each other and build
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: a rapport before the wedding. But is it really good
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: to meet up when everyone's shit-faced at the end of
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the night? Like isn't that when you don't want to
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: meet people because they're at their most obnoxious? Especially after
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: hearing Tammy's sisters interviewed on Matt and Anna's podcast. I
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: feel like I want to be a fly on the
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: wall of this Hux party. It's going to go off.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I wonder if the whole Hux party thing was down to–
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: a breakdown of trust because, you know, wild shit goes
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: on at Bucks parties. And maybe he knew that Tammy
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: would feel more comfortable knowing that they were sharing a
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: bed at the end of the night instead of it
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: being sort of up in the air. Well, Matt revealed
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: it's actually his best man that is planning the party.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: And so far he knows that his best mates are
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: all flying in from Melbourne. So all the boys are
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: heading to an activity, then going to dinner for steak
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: and whiskeys. And then they're joining up with Tammy and
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: the girls at a joint rental. I can kind of
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: see even more why Anna wasn't invited. Really? She wouldn't
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: want to go to a fucking steak restaurant with these guys.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: But I think the complete opposite. She should have been
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: invited to Tammy's shindig. Yeah, well, Tammy probably didn't want
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: her there as we've just established. But again, I've been
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: on the receiving end of this where I wasn't invited
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: to a former partner's best friend's hen's party. And it
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: doesn't feel good because you're like, well, they, especially if
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: they have a large group of people going, you're like, well,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: do they not like me? Like, why didn't I make
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: the cut? It's very awkward. Particularly when this is going
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: to be all over social media, like you would just
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: feel like you were missing out. Now, Matt has one
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: big job to take care of ahead of his wedding.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: And that is the removal of his ex-girlfriend's name, which
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: is tattooed across his ass. So he has Jen written
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: on his right bum cheek with a huge love heart
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: around it. It's Something that I personally would want my
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: partner to get rid of before we officially tied the knot.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: But I don't think he's going to be able to
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: get rid of it before November, because I'm pretty sure
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: you have to have about a four week break between
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: each laser session. This wasn't his first laser session. He
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: had been putting it off because he found the other
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: session so painful. Why is he advertising this though? Well,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: he's advertising it because he had a paid partnership. So
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: he realized he could monetize this process and he lined
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: up a deal with a numbing cream brand. So he
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: He is taking his followers along for the journey and
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: said he was able to return to get it removed
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: because he had the numbing cream, which made it less painful. Well,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: remember Tammy had Matt's name tattooed on her. I think
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: it was at a White Fox event really early on.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: And he ended up having Tammy on him as well. Oh, okay.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: So he hasn't learned his lesson. He's got a list
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: of girls tattooed on him. Now we've had so much
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: to cover in today's episode that we're going to keep
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: our highs and lows of the week. for our subs episode,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: which comes out on Friday. But thank you so much
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: for joining us for this episode. It was a lot
• 30:47
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