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Understanding the 8th & 12th Houses · Astrology for Beginners

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  SPEAKER_00: Hello everyone, welcome back to the Astrology for Beginners podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Stephanie Kate Boucher, and I am so happy to have you here.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the podcast for you if you have ever wanted to learn how to read a natal
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  SPEAKER_00: chart or were kind of interested in astrology and wished that you understood more
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  SPEAKER_00: about it but didn't know where to begin or it seemed too complicated and you didn't
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  SPEAKER_00: have the time or the resources to invest in learning it.
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  SPEAKER_00: My goal is to break things down for you episode by episode in the most simplified
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  SPEAKER_00: way that I can so that you can learn to speak the language of the stars.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for learning astrology with me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome, astrology friends.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or perhaps I'm actually just welcoming myself back.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's been a couple of weeks since I last recorded, and I've missed it.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a weekly podcast, and that's generally how I like it and the way I want it to be.
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  SPEAKER_00: That being said,
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  SPEAKER_00: sometimes life happens,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I've had a lot of life happening lately,
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  SPEAKER_00: both personally and professionally.
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  SPEAKER_00: Good things, fortunately, but that life has required a lot of my time, focus, and energy.
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  SPEAKER_00: So rather than give you a half-hearted or rushed attempt at an episode last week, I made the decision to
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  SPEAKER_00: honor the space that I was in and be fully present for the big, big things I had going on.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in fact,
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  SPEAKER_00: this is something that I am working on and have been working on for a while now,
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  SPEAKER_00: full presence.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've been working on that,
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  SPEAKER_00: well,
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  SPEAKER_00: always,
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  SPEAKER_00: but in earnest since about 2021 when we were all going through the pandemic and I
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  SPEAKER_00: was also going through my own health challenges.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've been trying since then to be more fully immersed whenever possible in whatever
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  SPEAKER_00: or wherever I am in the moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: That sounds a lot easier than it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sounds like a simple concept, but our culture doesn't always support that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our culture wants us to multitask and spread our energy into a million different things at all costs.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it sets us up to have lives where that becomes a necessity or even a survival mechanism.
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  SPEAKER_00: But really,
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  SPEAKER_00: presence,
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  SPEAKER_00: full and singular presence without apology,
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  SPEAKER_00: allows us to have richer and more fulfilling human experiences than is possible
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  SPEAKER_00: when we spread ourselves too thin because we've fallen into the trappings of
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  SPEAKER_00: productivity culture.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I leaned into that as best I could last week.
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  SPEAKER_00: In any case, we're here now and I'm going to address another user question.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love, by the way, that some of you have been sending me questions.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's really valuable to me to hear about how this journey is going for you all,
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  SPEAKER_00: to hear about which things still seem confusing or which things you've been
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  SPEAKER_00: pondering or all the little nuances you've been trying to put your finger on.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that's great, and I want to address as many of those things as I can.
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  SPEAKER_00: They may not all be covered here or covered in an entire episode,
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  SPEAKER_00: and some of them may simply be written responses to your comments or your emails,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I really do like getting to dive more deeply into your questions.
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  SPEAKER_00: So one person had said recently that they were struggling to understand what the
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  SPEAKER_00: differences were between the 8th house and the 12th house because it seems like
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  SPEAKER_00: both houses shared a lot of similar things,
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  SPEAKER_00: like spirituality and intuition or mysteries and hidden things or endings.
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  SPEAKER_00: Both houses can be challenging in that particular way, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So...
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  SPEAKER_00: I think this question is fantastic because it's a very common one to have.
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  SPEAKER_00: It really can feel tricky with these two.
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  SPEAKER_00: They can feel similar.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about that today and go through these two houses and discuss some of
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  SPEAKER_00: the similarities and the differences so that hopefully by the end,
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  SPEAKER_00: anyone who is confused about these two houses can find some further clarity.
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  SPEAKER_00: Both the 8th and the 12th houses are very mystical and associated with these ideas
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  SPEAKER_00: that are less tangible and more ethereal.
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  SPEAKER_00: These are the houses where many of the more shadowy, unseen aspects of life live.
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  SPEAKER_00: Both houses are often associated with spirituality, for example.
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  SPEAKER_00: Spirituality isn't a tangible thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not clear-cut or concrete.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not always easy to define.
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  SPEAKER_00: Both of these houses are associated with either what's beneath the surface,
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  SPEAKER_00: like with the 8th house,
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  SPEAKER_00: or with things that are hidden,
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  SPEAKER_00: like with the 12th house.
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  SPEAKER_00: Under the surface and hidden can seem like the same thing, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like they're secrets.
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  SPEAKER_00: But they're also kind of different.
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  SPEAKER_00: These are small nuances we're talking about.
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  SPEAKER_00: Both houses can be related to our intuition,
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  SPEAKER_00: to psychic abilities,
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  SPEAKER_00: and both houses can be associated with endings or even death.
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  SPEAKER_00: The eighth house literally being referred to as the house of
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  SPEAKER_00: sex,
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  SPEAKER_00: death,
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  SPEAKER_00: and taxes,
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  SPEAKER_00: and the 12th being the house of completion or the completion of cycles,
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  SPEAKER_00: which sometimes can mean death.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's no wonder that a lot of people have trouble discerning the difference between the two.
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  SPEAKER_00: They do share some similarities, at least on the surface.
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  SPEAKER_00: But there are some notable differences, and these differences are, again, really nuanced.
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  SPEAKER_00: I find that these differences,
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  SPEAKER_00: at least for me,
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  SPEAKER_00: can be felt,
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  SPEAKER_00: quote unquote,
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  SPEAKER_00: felt emotionally and spiritually more than they can be intellectualized.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lots of things with spirituality are like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're not always as easy to intellectualize.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I'm going to try to intellectualize this here as best I can to help people
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  SPEAKER_00: expand their understanding of these two distinct parts of your chart.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think the best place to start would be to recap what each of these houses means
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  SPEAKER_00: and which parts of life they represent.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, I also covered all of the houses back in, I think it was episode three.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you're fuzzy on the meanings of any of the 12 houses,
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  SPEAKER_00: I would encourage you to go back and re-listen to that episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I will recap these two houses here and add a few more details.
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  SPEAKER_00: The eighth house.
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  SPEAKER_00: The eighth house gets called a number of different things and it has a number of different names.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's because it does,
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  SPEAKER_00: like many of the houses,
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  SPEAKER_00: govern a lot of different but kind of overlapping parts of our lives.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I feel like each house is kind of a Venn diagram, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Where you have all the different circles of different subjects,
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  SPEAKER_00: different topics,
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  SPEAKER_00: but they all kind of overlap.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just a second ago called it the house of sex, death, and taxes.
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  SPEAKER_00: You'll hear that a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: It also gets called the house of death and rebirth.
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  SPEAKER_00: Occasionally,
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  SPEAKER_00: that could mean physical death,
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  SPEAKER_00: but most often what we're talking about is a metaphorical death.
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  SPEAKER_00: In other words, a transformation.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's often called the house of transformation.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a really, really big one.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the theme I think of the most when I consider the eighth house.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our resilience is built in the eighth house and in the events that come along with the eighth house.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can be the house where trauma or wounding of some kind is represented,
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  SPEAKER_00: but the healing of those wounds also happens in the eighth house,
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  SPEAKER_00: and that's a transformation.
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  SPEAKER_00: It gets called the house of intimacy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Intimacy forces us to dig down deeper, and that transforms us.
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  SPEAKER_00: It gets called the house of shared resources or the house of other people's money.
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  SPEAKER_00: Chani Nicholas,
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  SPEAKER_00: a well-known astrologer who I very much respect,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think sometimes calls the eighth house the house of collaborations,
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  SPEAKER_00: or at least I don't know if she officially calls it that,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I've heard her refer to collaborations or collaborative efforts a lot when this
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  SPEAKER_00: house comes up.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's all of these things.
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  SPEAKER_00: All of these names and different ideas are correct.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you think about what comes right before the eighth house,
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  SPEAKER_00: which of course is the seventh house,
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  SPEAKER_00: that seventh house is about partnership and getting along or not with other people one-on-one.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what happens when you're in partnership with another person,
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  SPEAKER_00: any sort of partnership,
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  SPEAKER_00: for an extended amount of time at all?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well,
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  SPEAKER_00: Eighth house issues come up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Intimacy develops.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have to get more vulnerable with that person at some point, or there is no partnership anymore.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have to allow yourself and all of the less rosy, less pleasant parts of yourself to be seen.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you, in turn, have to see the less rosy parts of the other person.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's difficult and scary,
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  SPEAKER_00: but it leads to intimacy and intimacy transforms the relationship and it transforms
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  SPEAKER_00: the people in the relationship.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's that word again, transformation.
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  SPEAKER_00: It transforms the relationship from one thing to a different and new thing, hopefully something better.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if it's a romantic partnership we're talking about, then there may be sex involved.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this eighth house version of sex is not the just for fun,
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  SPEAKER_00: lighthearted,
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  SPEAKER_00: dating sex of the fifth house,
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  SPEAKER_00: but the much more intimate soul sharing type that comes from feeling really bonded
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  SPEAKER_00: to another person.
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  SPEAKER_00: The bonding is really important here.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's another type of transformation and another form of collaboration.
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  SPEAKER_00: The eighth house is also about the resources that we share with other people.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's the money and the goods that flow back and forth between you and other people, all types of people.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're
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  SPEAKER_00: partner or spouse and their money is included in this, certainly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your family's money, like an inheritance or a trust fund or things like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, are you a trust fund baby?
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  SPEAKER_00: And if so, you might have some stuff going on in your eighth house.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's prizes that you win, the lottery, monetary awards that you receive.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's also loans that you take out, credit that you use.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is also about the money that you owe to other people and not just the money
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  SPEAKER_00: that you receive from others.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's why taxes are here.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it is also the money that you make through your dealings with other people,
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  SPEAKER_00: sometimes like in business.
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  SPEAKER_00: The stock market is a great example of an eighth house thing, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Lots of people who work in finance have strong eighth house placements in their
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  SPEAKER_00: natal chart because they're working with other people's money.
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  SPEAKER_00: The economy and the way it creates this web of resources through all kinds of
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  SPEAKER_00: different people and different entities and throughout society itself,
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  SPEAKER_00: these are all collaborative ideas and they all have the ability to transform us and
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  SPEAKER_00: others and the way we live our lives.
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  SPEAKER_00: Another thing that is ruled by the eighth house that is really significant is
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  SPEAKER_00: psychology or the human psyche and what it is that makes us tick.
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  SPEAKER_00: Remember, the eighth house is naturally ruled by the sign of Scorpio and the planet Pluto.
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  SPEAKER_00: So a lot of those planets
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  SPEAKER_00: brooding,
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  SPEAKER_00: shrewd,
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  SPEAKER_00: piercingly astute and observant qualities that are inherent in Scorpio and Pluto
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  SPEAKER_00: show up here in the eighth house.
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  SPEAKER_00: So psychology definitely is here.
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  SPEAKER_00: The eighth house and Scorpio and Pluto are all very good at psychology and figuring
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  SPEAKER_00: out the human psyche and why people do what they do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes that includes our darker emotions and experiences because those can play
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  SPEAKER_00: a role in the way we think or act too.
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  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes those things are part of what's making us tick, in certain situations at least.
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  SPEAKER_00: With Scorpio and Pluto involved, there can be lessons too around control and power.
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  SPEAKER_00: Power and control are forms of collaboration, even if they're not the rosiest ones.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the eighth house can also be about our psychic abilities and some of the more
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  SPEAKER_00: spiritual parts of life because that's part of our psyche too.
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  SPEAKER_00: And our spiritual identities are also what is beneath the surface of our physical form.
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  SPEAKER_00: At our very core, we are actually all spiritual beings.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what's at the heart of us.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that shows up here as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Spirituality is also very healing and very transformative.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are few things, in fact, more transformative than spirituality.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's that idea of transformation again.
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  SPEAKER_00: Transformation is really the key word to consider, I think.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now,
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  SPEAKER_00: people who have the eighth house emphasized in their natal chart or people who have
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  SPEAKER_00: a lot of Scorpio or a very prominent Pluto are likely to experience a greater than
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  SPEAKER_00: average number of transformations throughout their lives.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a set of lessons that they're actively taking on.
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  SPEAKER_00: they may get to reinvent themselves multiple times throughout their lifetime.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's not always an easy thing to do, but it tends to be very profound and rewarding.
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  SPEAKER_00: They lean into the idea of metamorphosis or possibly circumstances may thrusted upon them at times.
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  SPEAKER_00: And these are incredibly resilient people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Eighth house people can make it through tough situations like almost no one else
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  SPEAKER_00: can because they have almost regenerative powers.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's very much a phoenix quality with the eighth house placements and a
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  SPEAKER_00: marked ability to rise from the ashes whenever they need to.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is very, very cool, in fact, how resilient the eighth house is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now,
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  SPEAKER_00: of course,
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  SPEAKER_00: there is a spiritual quality to this idea of rising from the ashes and to the idea
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  SPEAKER_00: of a phoenix.
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  SPEAKER_00: But notice here,
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  SPEAKER_00: if you can,
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  SPEAKER_00: all of the things I've just described and how they have less to do with a higher
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  SPEAKER_00: connection to God energy or divine energy than they do to digging down deep within
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  SPEAKER_00: yourself to find what you need.
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  SPEAKER_00: or working with others, other people, to get the support that you need.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's that too.
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  SPEAKER_00: In other words, this house is very much directed towards humans.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the eighth house, you're going within.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're going within the human psyche.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're going within your intuition.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you're going within your connections to others.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the 12th house,
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  SPEAKER_00: though,
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  SPEAKER_00: you're looking outward and you're reaching for something higher than yourself.
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  SPEAKER_00: The 12th house is about connecting to a higher consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is the house that's naturally ruled by the sign of Pisces and the planet Neptune.
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  SPEAKER_00: So imagine those qualities that you think of when you consider Pisces and Neptune
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  SPEAKER_00: and the parts of your life that they might show up in.
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  SPEAKER_00: rather than the inward-looking Scorpio-Pluto combo of the 8th house.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now we're talking about outward-looking Pisces-Neptune energy.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a quick tip, by the way.
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  SPEAKER_00: When you get confused about the difference between the 8th and the 12th houses,
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  SPEAKER_00: you can try thinking about the difference between Scorpio energy and Pisces energy.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not a perfect comparison, but it's a similar exercise.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the 12th house is the house where you connect with something bigger and greater
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  SPEAKER_00: than yourself and your human existence.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not that our spiritual selves don't get acknowledged in the 8th house too.
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  SPEAKER_00: They do.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that spiritual consciousness of the 8th house is directed internally toward the
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  SPEAKER_00: psyche rather than externally to source energy.
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  SPEAKER_00: The eighth house is figuring out who you really are and what's really going on
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  SPEAKER_00: underneath the surface and doing the transformational work.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that can lead to a greater, deeper sense of spirituality.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you might try to figure out with the eighth house how spirituality works,
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  SPEAKER_00: for example,
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  SPEAKER_00: like say,
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  SPEAKER_00: for example,
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  SPEAKER_00: how astrology works and what the inner mechanisms of it are.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the 12th house takes who you are and everything you've learned and connects it
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  SPEAKER_00: all to something higher.
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  SPEAKER_00: The 12th house projects that spiritual awareness you now have in a more outward
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  SPEAKER_00: direction toward universal consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the 12th house,
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  SPEAKER_00: in a sense,
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  SPEAKER_00: is like a space that functions as a link between our human reality and what your
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  SPEAKER_00: quote-unquote real life is and whatever lies beyond that.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's why 12th house things have such an otherworldly quality to them.
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  SPEAKER_00: fantasies, imagination, worlds of fiction.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those things all live here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Escapism, escaping from your daily reality or escaping from the real world.
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  SPEAKER_00: Any activity or endeavor that involves that is very much about the 12th house.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mysticism, there's that Pisces-Neptune energy.
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  SPEAKER_00: compassion or spiritual service toward the greater good can also live here.
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  SPEAKER_00: The 12th house can be a place of service and compassion.
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  SPEAKER_00: People with strong 12th house placements,
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  SPEAKER_00: for example,
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  SPEAKER_00: often have a desire to participate in global healing,
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  SPEAKER_00: or they really want to make the world better and ensure that there's less suffering
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  SPEAKER_00: in the world and things like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But there's more than that, of course.
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  SPEAKER_00: In order to have these spiritual experiences or any kind of enlightenment,
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  SPEAKER_00: we need to first have space and time to reflect.
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  SPEAKER_00: We need to reflect on who we are.
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  SPEAKER_00: and what we've been doing in our work with the other 11 houses and reflect on what we'd like to do next.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's some solitude involved in this process because,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: when we're busy being with other people or doing all kinds of things out in the world,
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  SPEAKER_00: we're not reflecting.
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  SPEAKER_00: We
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  SPEAKER_00: solitude or alone time is a 12th house thing,
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  SPEAKER_00: as are all the other things that are related to your aloneness,
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  SPEAKER_00: like your secrets,
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  SPEAKER_00: your dreams,
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  SPEAKER_00: or even being asleep.
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  SPEAKER_00: I also really want to point out that these two houses,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I think this is a really good point,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I want to
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  SPEAKER_00: go to the spot next.
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  SPEAKER_00: The 8th and the 12th houses,
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  SPEAKER_00: they're both water houses and they form a trine with the 8th house,
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  SPEAKER_00: of course,
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  SPEAKER_00: coming first if you're going,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: counterclockwise around the wheel.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you can do this with any set of houses, by the way.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can look at the houses that form trines with each other.
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  SPEAKER_00: or sextiles or squares or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this will help you sort of start to see the natural progression of things in
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  SPEAKER_00: your life and how,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: lessons develop and how the houses get along with one another.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the case of this trine,
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  SPEAKER_00: this eighth house,
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  SPEAKER_00: twelfth house trine,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's two parts of a grand trine or a triangle between the fourth,
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  SPEAKER_00: eighth,
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  SPEAKER_00: and twelfth houses.
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  SPEAKER_00: all of which are considered water houses.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even if they're not ruled by water signs in your individual chart,
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  SPEAKER_00: they are still considered water houses.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I've heard of this particular trine being called the intuition trine.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember where I heard that,
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  SPEAKER_00: but the idea behind this is that any three houses that form a grand trine with one another,
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  SPEAKER_00: so that would be the first,
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  SPEAKER_00: fifth,
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  SPEAKER_00: and ninth houses,
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  SPEAKER_00: the second,
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  SPEAKER_00: sixth,
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  SPEAKER_00: and tenth houses,
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  SPEAKER_00: the third,
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  SPEAKER_00: seventh,
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  SPEAKER_00: and eleventh houses,
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  SPEAKER_00: and the fourth,
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  SPEAKER_00: eighth,
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  SPEAKER_00: and twelfth houses.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the houses that form trines with each other
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  SPEAKER_00: all serve to build upon one another over time and progress the lesson.
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  SPEAKER_00: So just as an example,
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  SPEAKER_00: using this watery intuition trine,
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  SPEAKER_00: one might have some challenges in early life that were centered around their home
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  SPEAKER_00: and family or their roots,
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  SPEAKER_00: right?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the fourth house.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that could all operate underneath the surface
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  SPEAKER_00: for a long time and finally show up later in life as wounding that then gets
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  SPEAKER_00: triggered in the eighth house,
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  SPEAKER_00: probably through an eighth house transit.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's typically how things get triggered is through transits.
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  SPEAKER_00: And some circumstance or event,
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  SPEAKER_00: would come up in life during this transit so that this old fourth house wound or
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  SPEAKER_00: occurrence can be examined and dissected and healed,
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  SPEAKER_00: maybe through therapy or maybe through working with a healer of some kind,
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  SPEAKER_00: or even just through a whole lot of intensive inner work.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the transformation component.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then later than that,
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  SPEAKER_00: down the road from there,
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  SPEAKER_00: you finally can find closure around that particular set of challenges from the
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  SPEAKER_00: eighth house by focusing on 12th house themes and practices like finding a higher
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  SPEAKER_00: power or developing spiritual practices of some sort,
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  SPEAKER_00: getting in touch with divine energy.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you're progressing along the astrology wheel in the healthiest way,
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  SPEAKER_00: this house,
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  SPEAKER_00: this 12th house,
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  SPEAKER_00: could be where you find a deeper meaning within your experiences,
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  SPEAKER_00: even if they were painful.
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  SPEAKER_00: It could be that this is where you find compassion,
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  SPEAKER_00: either for yourself or for the other people that were involved in that wounding
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  SPEAKER_00: with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: You might also feel compassion for others out in the world who may share a similar experience.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a place of silence and reflection and contemplation.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can review all you've been through here and integrate it.
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  SPEAKER_00: reach outward then to source energy and find your kind of zen enlightenment experience.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's a continuation of the fourth, eighth house processes.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the 12th house completes it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It completes that triangle.
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  SPEAKER_00: So in fact, the 12th house completes all the houses really, because it's the final house.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this completion and integration are the goal and the objective in this cycle,
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  SPEAKER_00: the cycle of the 12 houses,
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  SPEAKER_00: if you're progressing through the cycle again in the healthiest possible way.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now,
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  SPEAKER_00: this can get tricky because there are people who sometimes don't progress through
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  SPEAKER_00: the cycle in the healthiest possible way.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you don't do the self-examination and the psychological and relationship and
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  SPEAKER_00: healing work of the eighth house,
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  SPEAKER_00: then things can get dicey for people when they're working with the 12th.
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  SPEAKER_00: Traditional astrology used to call the 12th house the house of self-undoing, and that's for a reason.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you have ignored or refused to do that eighth housework,
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  SPEAKER_00: or you've been unable to do it for some reason,
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  SPEAKER_00: and you're still carrying the wounds,
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  SPEAKER_00: or there are things that are still buried and unexamined and you're not aware of them,
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  SPEAKER_00: and they're still operating underneath the surface,
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  SPEAKER_00: then the 12th house can become a place where these buried things cause problems.
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  SPEAKER_00: Problems like escapism,
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  SPEAKER_00: problems like addiction,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is just a form of escapism,
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  SPEAKER_00: and any other sort of self-sabotaging behaviors.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's where the idea comes from, I think.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the good news is it really doesn't have to be this way, not at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ideally,
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  SPEAKER_00: the 12th house is going to simply be a place of quiet reflection and a place where
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  SPEAKER_00: you will be able to find self-compassion,
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  SPEAKER_00: compassion for others,
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  SPEAKER_00: and where you can let go of things that no longer serve you so that you can prepare
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  SPEAKER_00: for the next cycle when things move back into the first house and you begin a new
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  SPEAKER_00: chapter in your life.
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  SPEAKER_00: I hope that makes sense.
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  SPEAKER_00: Feel free to reach out to me with additional questions if you're still confused about these two houses.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: There are a lot of nuances here that aren't always that easy to grasp.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is a book on this topic if you really want to delve into it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's called Phoenixes and Angels by Carmen Turner Schott, and it's just about the 8th and 12th houses.
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  SPEAKER_00: I actually haven't read this book, so I can't speak to what's in it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I,
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  SPEAKER_00: in fact,
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  SPEAKER_00: don't really know,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I am aware of the book,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I've been wanting to check it out myself for a while now,
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: and it seems like it would be a really helpful resource for anyone who's interested
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: in this topic and wants to take a deeper dive.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I love this book's title, Phoenixes and Angels.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that's a beautiful encapsulation of the 8th and 12th houses, respectively.
• 27:39
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