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Jaret Reddick of Bowling For Soup · Caught on the Mike...

• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Caught on the Mike.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: And for more than 30 years, I swear I've been saying 30 years a lot lately.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's just the age we're at.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: Bowling for soup have turned giant hooks, big laughs, and genuine connection into a career most bands could only dream about.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: And Jarrett Reddick is still finding new ways to keep things interesting.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: There's new music on the horizon, a massive tour underway.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: And just recently, and by the time this comes out, it will already be out in the open.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: But Alexa Bliss tagged Jarrett in a very intriguing tease.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: So naturally, I have to find out what the hell is going on.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: Jarrett, how are you doing, man?
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: Man, I'm doing great.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: And uh thanks for having me.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: This is awesome.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, this is awesome, and it means the world to me.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh storied career.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm from Nebraska.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: I remember back in the day you guys showing up at the Ranch Bowl in Omaha.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: I remember you guys having shows at the House of Bricks and Des Moines.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: And what's funny is when I was playing in bands, it seemed like we would just miss you guys by a day or a couple of hours.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, isn't it funny how that how that works though?
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you you tend to be one step ahead or one step behind.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's the same bands all the time.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, it's like we're all out there working and hustling, and yeah, I mean, uh again, those days were amazing.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: And and you know, the the the new venue that we play in, Des Moines is so cool.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: That it's the old like dance hall.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it starts with a V, I think.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: But Vol Vaudville Muse.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it's great.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: So and it's good to be here.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: Man, so let's kind of get right into it.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: When you look back at those early bowling for soup years, what do you think you were doing right that allowed the band to survive long enough for everything else to happen?
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, first of all, you know, I always ran everything and still do.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: I I do run it like a business, but I also pretty much, you know, it's it's all about also the relationships within the you know, it's it's happy locker room, so to speak.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it you know, I I always felt felt like internally we had to have everything needed to be on the up and up, and and uh that we needed to any any differences that we had had to be sorted through because our relationship you know goes on to the stage, you know, and and it's such our our us our back and forth and and us actually genuinely enjoying putting on this show is such an important part of what it is we do.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: And then finally, the band is the sum of its parts.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I'm the guy that does all the talking and and does this and this and this, but without the other guys, it's it's just me, right?
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: And so everybody is equally as important.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: And and honestly, I treat my crew the same way, everybody's the same, and uh we just all have different responsibilities, but it takes it takes all of us to make that that show happen every night, and I have never ever gone off of that.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: I've I've stayed the course on that attitude for 32 years.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, that's amazing.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_01: The band started 1994, and I've been kind of reminiscing with a lot of my buddies lately about how the 90s feel like three decades crammed into one.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like with all the phase changes, the pop culture changes that occurred.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_01: But 1996, you moved from one city to another in Texas, and then two of your biggest hits kind of hit in 2002 and 2004, that had to have felt like a lifetime.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's crazy because it's it's like we we were in the van for nine years.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're that van that you can't nobody can say that we didn't earn this, you know.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we uh G Eric and I lived in it for two.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, we definitely put in the work and you know, we we had we we we did really well in Texas and the surrounding states for for all of for most of that time.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: And we still we were we were getting pretty big crowds by 97, 98 and uh and continued to and then we started to get a little bit of label attention and stuff like that, but we just we weren't ready.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I look back on those times and I'm like, you know, when we did our first showcases in like 96, 97 or whatever, and we didn't get record deals, but you know, I I I always knew that it just yeah, it's just not time.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_00: We're just not I don't know that it's that we're ready.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_00: I just don't think the songs are there yet.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: And and I think once they're there, it's just it it's just a matter of time before it all comes together.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_00: And it took nine years to have a hit, you know, and but you know, once once that happened, you know, it sort of kicked in.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: But yes, it does.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: It it seems like a lifetime ago.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's funny to look back on things and just be like, oh my God, we had only been together 10 years when that happened, and now it's 32 years, you know.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_00: So there's there's quite a few lifetimes in this in this run, that's for sure.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: One of my favorite podcasts that I've listened to over the years is Rob Harvilla's 60 Songs That Made the 90s, and then he's got a second version that where he starts talking about the 2000s in one year in particular, two years in particular, talks a lot about 1997 through 1999.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: And you just mentioned you guys played some of your first showcases at that time.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe sometimes the best thing to happen is the thing that didn't happen.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know, in that regard, because I feel like the industry in 97, 98, and 99 really didn't know what the hell was going on itself.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's funny that you say that because A, you know, it's like it's, you know, to quote Garth Brooks, you know, you thank God for unanswered prayers, right?
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's it's you know, it's like we all we wanted was a record deal.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: But had we signed one then, we were not ready.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: And it would not, we wouldn't be, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: We would have had a probably a 10, 12 year career, and that, and that that's it, right?
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: So, but when we did that first showcase, Lava Atlantic was there and then Republic Records was there.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: Lava Atlantic was about to release that Kid Rock record, the really big one.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: And Republic had just signed Godsmack and Oleander.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, Godsmack obviously went on to have, you know, still have a great career.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oleander had a had a big, big song or two, you know, and and I'm not really sure what happened to those guys.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: But again, they made the right decisions.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that those were those were the bands that they really needed to be working with at the time.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I remember even listening to that because they gave us copies of those, both both of them came with music and and gave it.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: So we listened to it on the way home.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: And you just, you know, I hear bah with the ba bang and dang, dig it, dig it, digging, said the boogie, you know, and you're just like, oh shit, this is gonna be massive.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like this is going to be massive.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: And we are not, this is not where we're at.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: And then you hear the the Ole Ender stuff.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: They had that, I can't take this anymore, and I'm almost pretty sure.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_00: Remember that song?
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: And they had like the violin, and you know, and you're just like, okay, so this is what's happening right now.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's not us.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, pop punk wasn't even a thing yet.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't even know what we were doing, you know.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so, yeah, unanswered prayers, you know, it's it's the it's some of those things, but but you know what?
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: We got the experience.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: We got to go to New York for the first time.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: We literally drove there, played the played the thing, and drove back 27 hours each way.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: And but we knew what it was like to showcase for a label, and we got an attorney out of the thing.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, it's again, you just every little thing, you go out there and you play that show like it's like there's a hundred thousand people in front of you because you never know who's watching.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: And uh so yeah, man, it was definitely it just wasn't our time.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, our time came.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: Just to kind of personalize this a little bit.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: I was playing in a ska band at the time, it was 1997, 1998, and there's this great bit where the mad caddies in this documentary called Pick It Up Ska in the 90s, they talk about this six-month period of time where ska was on top of the world, yeah, and when new metal took over, and how it was like the same kids that completely turned on the ska kids at the time.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember having that, it was a very visceral experience for me because I'm in a ska band in Iowa at the time.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: We played one of the last Slipknot shows before they went and recorded their debut album with Ross Robinson.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember six months before, all these kids absolutely loved us.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: Me being upbeat ska guy.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking, oh, that's a good idea.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: Let's throw some candy out in the audience when we opened up for Slipknot.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still recovering from welts I got from candy being pitched my way.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I've always I've always wondered about I've always wondered what the club days for Slipknot were like.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, did they all get up on stage?
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like, were there nine dudes up there and they all dressed up in scary costumes and shit?
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like, is that how they started?
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah, it is it is like the wildest thing ever.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: And the bands that played with them, so I'm still friends with their the manager that discovered them at the time and helped them get their deal.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: And it is crazy because the lineups that they would play on, you wouldn't imagine in a million years.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: It would be slipknot, real big fish, goldfinger, and the urge.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it was like, and it was always combinations like that.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: So they didn't really think those fans were killing in that.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the urge was so big in that in the Midwest.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, I mean, massive in like St.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: Louis and and in the the Omaha's and the Lincolns, and right?
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they were fucking massive.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then, of course, real big fish and goldfinger were on the radio.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it uh that I mean that's smart, you know?
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, it's genius.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I'm not gonna kind of talk like I know inside baseball, but it was very calculated business and it made a lot of sense.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then so when you kind of see how things are playing out with the band now, and this is not talking any ships, sure, sure, sure.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but when you see how things are playing out with the slipknot lineup now, you're like, well, it's always been the course of history, they're always gonna do what's best for business in the grand scheme of things.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe you don't see it from outward looking in, but from the inside, it probably makes sense logistically.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: No, uh, people don't really understand that that being in a band is a business, you know?
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: And you have to sort of make that determination of, hey, so uh we're gonna, we this we do have a business to run.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean I you know, I'll tell you, you know, speaking of businesses, like I we never have been a band that just we don't just divide up the money.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh like everybody make takes a modest salary every month, and it's not a lot of money, but it's it's enough to live and pay your bills.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: We get bonuses every once in a while.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: But guess what?
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: When the pandemic happened, we all got our paychecks.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't play a show for almost two years, but and I got to pay crew guys and I got to I and we we had obviously we depleted the shit out of it, but but you know, but I the way I had always said, you know, if we can't play a show for a year or two years, we need to at least be able to pay our bills.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then it happened again, and that was just all because it's a business.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: And uh for me, so I have a degree in marketing and dream psychology, and I used to say that that you know I threw all that away to be in a band, but obviously I used that stuff, and so it's like it was important, it's important to me that like when we did our first show, we already had merch, you know.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: There were we had already stickered the entire city, you know, like everybody wondered who the hell bowling pursuit or what it was, you know.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, that's just it, you know.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I would think that that that that makes a lot of sense to me to know that, like, hey, you know, we've got this idea, let's see if this plays out, and obviously it worked for those guys.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, for sure.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, your music has always had humor, but there's always been a real emotional honesty behind it, and maybe that is partially due to your degree and your background.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: After all these decades, has your definition of what makes bowling for soup and the music you create with bowling for soup change?
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's it's definitely that's something that I talk about quite often because you know, we we got into the you know, we just I just wanted to start the punk rock beatles, and obviously that would be a huge undertaking, but I was somewhat paraphrasing.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: I just I wanted a band where everybody could sing, you know, that where everybody was a character in their own right, so that like not one person was like more visible, especially during the show, than that you wanted to watch everybody, and then and again, our first couple of records, Eric was co-lead singer.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: We we both sang, and that was by design, and everybody being able to do harmonies has always been part of it.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: But once we realized, you know, what what our kind of music was gonna be, and once you know it it became you know, by probably our fourth or second EP, you know, like probably you know, midnight, mid late midnight, 97, 98, 98, probably, we knew what we sounded like.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: So there was never really any attempt by us to reinvent that.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like we even when Blink 182, you know, because again, we when everybody everybody was funny in 2000, right?
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know, some 41 was funny, Blink 182 were funny, Green Day were funny, everybody was funny.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: And then all of a sudden everybody else stopped being funny, but they made great music.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: But I was just like, ah, this is kind of what we do, you know.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't want to make a metal record, we're not shredders, I don't want to make a political record.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: I certainly don't want to make an artsy record.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: And the all those bands went in and made great ones, but that's not us.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: So I write like I talk, and really the substance comes from me early stuff.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: I you know, I'm trying to put things into the world that are real and that mean something, but at the same time, I really wasn't confident in my lyrics.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: So the silliness and the jokiness was just what I I would hide behind.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's like we when you're a fat kid, you hide behind the comedy, right?
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I was a fat kid.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, you're you're you get people to like you easily if you're funny.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter if you're if you're chubby, you know, it's just if you're you know, if you're funny, and especially if you can control it like a superpower when to do it.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: If you can make teachers laugh instead of getting sent into the hallway, that's a gift.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I fucking had it.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: I had the superpower, right?
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: So it when I would write the songs, I it was just like, oh, well, I can I can start to say something serious here, but then if I say something funny, it it's not like I'm trying to be serious, right?
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so then I you just you learn to that evolves into being like, okay, well, I'm gonna I wrote this song called You and Me, which was on Tell Me When to Woe, our second EP.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: So our fourth, fifth, fourth recording.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: I look up there because they're all up there in order.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: Love it.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, so we had recorded uh our two albums and then two EPs.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: And that was the first one where I was just like, all right, I'm not gonna hide behind humor, and people loved it.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was just like, okay, now I think I can kind of start writing from the heart.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I think that's the thing that really surprises people that only know us as being the silly band is that if you really start to listen to the songs, that there's substance in there, and like there's stuff that makes you think.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I love when people get it.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's it happens to me all the time.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: A friend will just go, Oh man, I was listening to your old album and you say this line, and I never it never really hit me what it was you're saying.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: Holy shit.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: And and because I, you know, I do, I am proud of the lyrics that I write.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not just, you know, you can't, it's like uh like Eddie Murphy used to say, like, man, you can't do no curse show.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I can't just write a fucking real fart joke song.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like I unless I was just being an idiot, you know, and and trying to just be silly.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: But if you can write a smart song that makes people laugh, then they last, you know?
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: And if you so, you know, if you can write a song that makes people smile, but that you know, in 23 years, it's still you know, it's still listenable.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't age out, it's not easy to do.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: So it's funny because so many people that write with me want to write bowling for soup songs, and I'm like, I don't need any help with that.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, let's write something else.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, Yeah, but I just got I got this idea.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's called I'm dating a porn star, and I'm like, this is why you don't write funny songs.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's fucking stupid, right?
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like that's a dumb idea, dude.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's funny because that you point out something without directly pointing it out, but there is a through line and a bit of nuance with people that are good with humor and being emotionally intelligent at the same time, you know.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: The most humorous people I know, I have probably had the most serious conversations with that actually like are not only articulate and intelligent, but they approach levels of depth that somebody that's trying too hard to be funny can't get, you know?
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: There's the comedians that always have to be every line has to be a joke.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then there's the comedians that you can sit down and have dinner with and just talk about life and shit.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: And and then, and those are usually the funniest ones.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to be a stand-up comedian.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: I just really didn't have the balls nor the opportunity.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's from a small town.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like we had open comedy mics and and nights.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so the band afforded me a way to do both.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: To like, okay, well, all right, I figured this out.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, we can play songs, and then I can fucking, if I want to do crowd work for three minutes, I can fucking just start picking on somebody in the in the crowd and do crowd work or whatever.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: And and that's obviously a big part of our show, is not necessarily crowd work, but interactiveness with the with the audience.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: Funny, fun between us, trying to make people laugh.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I have as much in common, I think, with comedians as I do with musicians, which is nice.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I and a lot of comedians like our band, you know, it's it's and probably because of what you just said, and I really appreciate you saying that.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, it's it's not easy to write a smart, funny song.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's if you don't if if it's not just in you, you can't just sit down and do that, you know.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's it's it's interesting.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, I think people think it's easy and then kind of get into it and go, okay, well, that's that guy's thing, you know, like yes.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: Well, speaking of crowd work and all of that, you guys have reached a point where multiple generations are now showing up to the same shows.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: What does it feel like watching people who grew up with the brand bring their own kids into this world?
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: For us, it's always been like that.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: So now it's like those kids are bringing their kids, and then the parent and then the grandparents are coming.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: Three and four generations is amazing.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um and to me, I look out and the crowd looks exactly the same.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like it is, it just it really hasn't changed.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: What changes is is that it rotates.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: So the people that used to be on the barrier are now either back by the soundboard or they're back by the bar.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then and then the younger kids are up in the front, and then there's a couple of those that are just like lifers that are like, I'm standing by this barrier no matter what.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, that and and uh and then you've got children on their parents' shoulders holding up a sign and say, This is my first show, or this is my birthday, and this is what I wanted to do for my birthday.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, but frankly, it's always been like that, you know, for us.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: We we were a bar band first, and not necessarily so we we sort of we existed in again as a business.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: We were a cover band, but we were never a cover band in an area where we were also an original band.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: So in Dallas, for example, we have an area called Deep Ellen, that's where all of the original bands play.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: But there's five, six, seven different pockets of city around here to where you could go and play a cover show and no one would ever know, right?
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: And that that's where you make the money, right?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: So we could we financed bowling for soup by being bowling for soup the cover band.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: But the way that it worked was is we played all of our songs like they were a bowling for soup song.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: So if we did Beach Boys, it sounded like bowling for soup.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: Elvis, bowling for soup.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: We did whatever.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: We could do any song and we would just speed it up, put octaves on it, put harmonies in it, and it sounded like us.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: And what was cool about that was this a side note is that then when we would do original shows, every time you saw us, we could do a different cover.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: I called it wacky cover.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: And you couldn't believe it.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: I just saw them last week and they played this other song, and now they're playing.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: We had 80 fucking covers, you know.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: But again, that our that's what how our crowd was built.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: So our crowd wasn't built just playing in the original clubs, it was also built in playing in the cover clubs.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: And then when we started to do our own shows and we were able to start filling rooms up, it was already diverse.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: So we were bringing people in that didn't necessarily go to deep Elm all the time, right?
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: Because these people would come see us every six or eight weeks.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Over here at the Pig and Whistle in Fort Worth, where we did four hours of covers and they actually got up and danced and stuff.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: And now they're coming to see us doing original stuff.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, so yeah, the crowd, though it does change, it evolves.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: But really, from my from my line of sight, it really does.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: It looks the same.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, not to go off on a side tangent, but it is so amazing and refreshing to hear you talk about that because there's so many bands that I knew from back in my era as well, where we would do things like that.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: You go play the cover gig so you could financially support your original gig.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: And the same thing, it's like you could pull a cover out of your ass out of nowhere.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I used to call them set savers.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like if you know you're bomb, you knew you might be bombing a little bit, pull out the cover song, you reel the crowd back in, and you have them for the rest of the set.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's an amazing thing.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: So it worked, it was uh it was such a big and nobody else could do it because all these other bands were just building their original thing and really pushing these things.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: But we had we had built we had built that whole thing into so many cities that we could come back to Texas for a month and make enough money to put ourselves out on the road for six months, and of course we were charging up credit cards too, but at least we could get out there.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: And by the time labels even started looking at us, we were already a touring machine.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it's yeah, is it's definitely, and also it just it makes you so tight when you when you're playing four-hour shows and then you're and you're throwing in three new ones a week, like you get to the point where you can learn a song without even having to rehearse it.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: You're just everybody just have this down, you know, and we'll we'll throw it in and see how it goes.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, so our drummer used to say, we're tighter than a facelift, because we were, we were so tight.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, we were we would here's this cover band coming in from across town to play an original show, and we would just murder every time.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, again, I I'm proud of that.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: I really am.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know, a lot of my buddies from the band times, we've all got kids that are now in bands and playing bands all over the place, and my daughter is.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: And one thing that we also talk about is how there's no shame to it like there used to be.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: There used to be a shame if you were a cover band versus an original band.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: It was the dumbest shit ever.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: But I think some of that, and again, to repeat something I've said a million times on my show, if you look for silver linings around streaming platforms, it's the fact that the guardrails have been removed and kids just look at music as being music now.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: They don't look at it so much like genre and I have to adhere to a style and so on and so on.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's the thing, right?
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Is that like the the lines got blurred even before that.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I you know, I think about when I was in high school, you know, I went to school high school in the 80s, I graduated in 90.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: And if you listen to this kind of music, then you dressed like this and these were your friends.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: And if you listen to this kind of music, well, then you dressed like this and these were your friends.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: And there really were no departures from that.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like you, you that that wasn't, wasn't it?
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, then by the time that we started to, you know, like let's say really the UK is where it really started to to really blur early for me was this right around 2000 was you know, email had started, people could email us and and all of that, and they and you know, once we started to go to the UK, people would be like, I so cool.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: I got to see you guys play this festival.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: My two favorite bands are Bowling for Soup and Rage Against the Machine, and you'd be like, What?
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: And but that was so rad.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, then you saw that happen and all the clicks and stuff musically just dissolved here, and you could like what you want.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's honestly though, it's like I don't know how old you are, but you you you couldn't wear shoes from Target to school when I was in high school.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: Same.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: Even even if you didn't give a shit, you just didn't do it, right?
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: People don't give a fuck where you get your shoes now.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: My kids do not care about there's not they have not one brand do they give a shit about.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, my I'm my oldest is 23, and she has never asked for something.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe those Jesus sandals, you know, that got popular a while ago.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, the Birkenstocks.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, or but but everything she doesn't care what what her gene what brand her genes are or any of this stuff.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: And it'd feel like all of that just went away at the same time, right?
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's accessibility, right?
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: As as you're saying.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that's what what what as you know we started to get into people stealing music and streaming or whatever.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: You just could like a song, you know, and it didn't have to be this whole I don't need to, I don't need to dress like Robert Smith to go to school.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: But I I think that's another thing where the internet has ruined our perception of time, though, now too, in the same way, because we're so constantly online, we don't realize that five years ago was five years ago, if that makes sense.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: I saw a meme that said, when I think five years ago, I'm thinking 2009, not 2021, you know?
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: So no, you're exactly right.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: And here's the thing, right?
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's funny because I keep showing my age, but when I was in school, you would have 50s day at school, right?
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody would wear poodle skirts and slick our hair back and stuff like that.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, now they have 80s day and they have 90s day, but what's 2000s day look like?
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: It just to me, it's just there's no real look to it.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: There's no, I guess you could dress emo or whatever, but it wasn't near as sectioned off.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like when you think 80s, you know exactly what it looks like, right?
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know what color it is in your head, you know everything, you know what movie it is, you know the soundtrack.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, even nineties, though, and I do agree with you.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's like 90s is like cut up.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: There's early 90s when the grunge happened and hair metal is squashed, and that's like, whoa, I don't listen to Guns N Roses anymore.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: Don't you fucking say that to me, you know, and then and then there's like mid-90s, and then there's like the fucking late 90s, better than Ezra and Tonic and you know, all of that kind of shit, which is where it's just it's frat guy, frat guy nineties, right?
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: Hootie and the blowfish.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: And but even then, you know what it looks like.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm with you.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: It seems like now it's just every year we're just like, yeah, it was it's just the same thing we did last year.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we all wear the same shit, you know.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I felt it yesterday.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: I saw another meme that was like, if smashing pumpkins had written 1979 right now, it would be called 2010.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's the I did see that.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: And then I yeah, because there's the 1985 one, right?
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: That circulates all the time.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: And it would be like, I think it'd be 2002 or something, or 2005 or something.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's not far away.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: But when 1985 was that it 1985 seemed like a fucking million miles back there when we recorded that song, you know, in 2004.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: That seemed like forever ago, and now it'd be yeah, it'd be 2004, which seems nuts.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: I already had I I already had a kid.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but yeah, I saw the Smashing Pumpkins one, and that's one where I hadn't thought about that in a while, you know.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's so funny to to to think about.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like it, you know, it'd be interesting.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like uh summer of 69, right?
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that would that came out in what '84, something like that.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: So like summer of 69 would be about you know, 2004, 2005, something like that.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I don't know.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, my buddy pointed out yesterday, he was like, you do realize there was only six years between Motley Cruz Primal Scream and Generation Swine coming out, but it felt like a whole fucking generation between that time.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's just I think you're right though.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think our brains don't, we process time completely differently.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen a couple of articles about this, of that how you know, we always do the thing where like you go, like I think about this.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I was in marching band in the 80s, and I remember looking at things and and going, this is crazy because this is what marching band looks like, and this is what marching band looked like in the 60s.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not that different, you know.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, now if you look at marching band, it's fucking wild.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: They're they they have they're they all have semi-trucks and stuff.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: The percussion section takes the whole side of the field.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's just it's such a huge now.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: They've got drag.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: I swear to God, I went to a high school football game, a fucking dragon came on the came on the field.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: You're in the band marching, and you're just like, what is happening?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so like and they're playing contemporary music, you know.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: They don't play contemporary music.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: You're not gonna see everybody's not just playing fucking Star Wars and shit.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's it's crazy, but it is so weird how you do that.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: You you do the movie thing when you're just like, this is what movies looked like this time, and this is what they look like here, and this is what they look like now.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like things start to evolve less and less and less, is really where I was saying.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's like going from like the band marching competition in the 60s to the 80s, there's kind of a big change or whatever, and then the 80s and the 90s, but now it's like where do they go from here?
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: And it's right, movies are the same, right?
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: And music too.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: What's I there's not ever gonna I don't I don't see how there could ever be a U2 ever again because we just don't have the attention span for it.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and we don't have the monoculture for any of that stuff anymore either.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have that moment where everybody in the world is glued, maybe the Super Bowl, but yeah, like maybe that, but even then now we're now we're making that a controversy, so now people are boycotting that because we can't have nice things.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's just the fucking this world is so wild how we just have to build things up just to tear them down.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like every time Taylor Swift releases an album, I'm not like so pro Taylor Swift that I really care this much, but I have to take a day off the internet because all of these fucking hypocrites get and just want to tear her down after building her up.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: And it's so frustrating because you're just like, why can't she just still be great?
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: She writes fucking great songs.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: You whether you're a fan or not, if you know anything about music, there's no musicians that aren't just being dicks that are going to tell you that Taylor Swift isn't a great songwriter because she just is.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and all those people complaining are probably not funny.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: They're not funny.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: Fuck them.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: They're not smart enough to be.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it just drives me crazy the hypocritical aspect of things.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's like we love Patrick Mahomes.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh shit.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_00: He won four Super Bowls.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: We don't like Patrick Mahomes anymore.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we just have to build it up so we can tear it down.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: It makes that that that mentality of the human being to me is just insane.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: And having experienced it in a in a way, the English press did that to us.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: They just turned on us in the 2010s, and all of a sudden we weren't the darlings of the of the UK press anymore.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: And it was just people just saying mean shit.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: And it, you know, it was like, God damn it, what did we do?
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and then of course they came back around because you can't fuck with us anymore.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: We've been together 32 years and we we draw more people than we ever have.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: What are you gonna say to try and and convince your reader something negative about us?
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, you guys get the last laugh too.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: You're co-headlighting slam dunk in May with real big fish.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and our and uh yeah, you talk about family, and that's gonna be a family reunion because the it's all the bands that we're the closest to Less Than Jake, Real Big Fish, Simple Plan, you know, it's just those are all our fucking just our they're our family, and so I am so excited about that.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, that's amazing.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: Speaking of shows, you guys have spent this year playing alongside bands like Simple Plan 303, and now you're deep into your own headlining run with Bally Who.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: What have you learned about the band's live identity after a 30 plus years that you probably couldn't have understood whenever you started?
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean I don't know.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: I sort of understood it.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: I really have had a deep understanding of what our live show is from the get-go.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's the evolution of the humor, which you know, again, started because we needed to fill time at the cover shows.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: So we learned magic tricks and shit, you know, like and it was and it became and it became this deal.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: It was just like, okay, so wait a minute, if we start putting, if we start putting that aspect of the, then we're this sets us apart.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: We're different.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: And it and honestly, it really wasn't planned.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: It it really happened more organically, that we started to just take time in between songs and fuck with people in the crowd and and uh or each other or whatever, you know, check on our day and you know, and make the crowd a part of all of that.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so yeah, I mean, I I have a deep understanding of like that that that that that we're different in that regard.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: I know Blink182 talked talked between songs, and No Effects talked a lot between songs too, and it's and it's every that everybody's got their kind of way that they do that, you know, and we've got our way of doing it.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, and I don't think there's anybody that does it the same as us.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so yeah, I I uh you know, I I just I guess the thing is over the course of of all of these years, I just realized that we're not just a band, we're entertainers, and we're putting on quote unquote a show.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: When you come see us, you come and you see a performance, right?
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not scripted.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of times we don't even use a set list.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: I try not to recycle jokes.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: I will recycle bits that are poignant to a song or something just because it it if it works, it works, and you and you sort of can recycle those things.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: But I try to even change those up as much as I can.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, here's the thing the way we do our show makes it fun for us.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of our peers rehearse their show to the point of like literally they are going out there and everything fires, and they say have this certain amount of time that they can talk and they say, you know, all of these things because that's what that's the way that they want their performance to go.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: They don't want any question marks out there, they don't want anything to to uh and I get it, I really do.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: I but that's not what we want.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: We don't play to a click and we don't play to tracks because I want to be able to stop in the middle of a song and just start talking about something and go into a different song, you know, like if that's what we want to do.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: And uh so yeah, I think that's the thing that I realized over the course of the years that I probably didn't understand at first would be hey, we're entertainers, we're we're we're up here to entertain.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we we play songs, but the idea is to really just give people a night, an experience that that maybe they don't get when they go see everybody else.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: Hell yes.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, throwing the socio-political divide out the window, that's not my lane.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: I don't talk about that shit.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: But I will talk around it and I'll say one thing that I think people are kind of turning away from on the internet, in a sense of trying to rediscover the unity that we should be having, that we have more in common than we do different, is that sense of authenticity.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're putting on a genuinely authentic show that is not robotic, yeah, audiences are gonna know it.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's funny you say that because I it's like we even sort of even with trends, right?
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like we are, we it's it's sort of it is sort of conforming, isn't it?
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and and we're all guilty of it.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like I jump on a trend every once in a while because hey, I I happen to enjoy social media.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm one of the dinosaurs out here in this fucking business that actually gets a kick out of it.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a theater kid.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: So making people laugh or talking about mental health or whatever it is in 30 seconds or 90 seconds or whatever it is, or I enjoy that.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's weird that I edit video more than I make music now, but it's part of my job.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I see exactly what you're saying.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think that our attention spans, again, like it's so wild.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like my wife watches, I didn't even know you could do this, but she watches her TikTok in fast motion.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I guess you can hold down on the left and it goes faster.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so not only is she like thumbing through these videos, but she's thumbing through these videos at a fucking rapid pace.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's how her ADHD brain works.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I it takes me three seconds to even realize that that, oh, okay, okay, this isn't the same guy that was just on there.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, what are we watching here?
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and okay, well, I'm not interested in that lasagna, you know, whatever.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: But it's an interesting thing.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, here's the other thing that you're learning is is that the that social media companies are so good at at marketing to us that like when you start talking to somebody else about their algorithm, and if you really, really get into it, it is fascinating because you don't see the same shit as your closest friend, and you y'all probably have two or three things in common on your algorithm.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_00: Everything else is completely different, right?
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and my wife watches these videos where if there's somebody talking about something on this side, there has to be another video on this side of there being clay pot being made or something, so that that these two things have nothing to do with one another.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: But in order for her to be able to pay attention to this person talking, there needs to be some action happening over here.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I have never I've never seen one of those videos that isn't on her phone.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's crazy, right?
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: And and honestly, it's a it's a visual hook.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: And being podcast marketing guy, I've like, I've seen a lot of nerdy analytics on some of that shit.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: And you're absolutely correct.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: You can talk to your best friend and have maybe three things in common, but everything else is different.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: And you you're like talking to them about something you saw online, they're like, I didn't see that.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't see that.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: I would and sometimes they're eat they'll even go like, Why would I see that?
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: And the other day I was telling Casey about my wife, about the that blonde weather girl that like just reads the mean comments out or whatever, and she's we have the same algorithm, right?
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so and she's beautiful, but and she's thick, and so like, but people just talk about how thick she is or whatever, and sometimes it's really mean and she just reads them, but she's having the last laugh.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like that she's a genuine creator now because these people chose to do that.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, I go, You've seen that?
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: And she goes, No, I don't have news people on my algorithm.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought for a second, I go, I do have a lot of hot news chicks on my algorithm.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I just I don't know, I like news chicks.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and it's the fact it's the fact that she reads them in her news voice and it makes it funny, you know?
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_00: So that's so good, and just and she can and then the fact that there's people laughing in the background because that's how a newsroom, if you've ever been in in a newsroom, that's how it is.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's people around that are just being really quiet, but they're hanging on every word.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so when they can react, they will.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_00: And but yeah, that yeah, it's uh we could go on for days about this.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, that leads me to a good point.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, speaking of algorithms, a video that came up in my algorithm earlier this year, late last year, that I absolutely loved, and it ended up being a cover that you were a part of, the cover of Elastica's connection with Able Machines, that showed it for a while there.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: That was like every third video on my TikTok scroll, and I was not the least bit mad about it.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, my best friend is Linus of Hollywood, and he has a band called Able Machines, and uh he's been producing Bowling for Soup records since 2009.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_00: We write a bunch of stuff together for Bowling for Soup and for other bands and stuff.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_00: But I was like, man, what we should do a they're more of an electronic band.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I go, let's do, let's do a cross cover.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like, let's do something, you know.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I threw out a couple of songs and and they love the idea of doing connection.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so yeah, I think that that came out brilliantly.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: I love crossovers like that.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the things this is where I thought you were heading earlier when you were talking about streaming and the handcuffs coming off, so to speak, is that and and and maybe a young man is watching this and doesn't know, but you can cover any song you want and put it on social media.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: You you just can't sell it.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_00: But if you you want to cover something and put it out there and put it on the internet, you could put it on YouTube, you could make a video, you can do whatever you want.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: And the writer of that song gets paid, and you get to put a cover out into the world for free because the social media platforms have to do the accounting for you, you know, and that's one thing.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: People are like, why do you do so many covers?
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: Because we can.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's freaking fun, you know?
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, and and I I like reimagined shit.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: So, like that, or like the uh Kid Cuddy song that we did during the pandemic, or there's been a lot of we've done a few Taylor Swift songs, I think.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: And we had a big one for us was we managed to get flowers by Miley Cyrus on the internet three weeks after she released it, you know.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: And that was also during the pandemic, I think.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: But but yeah, you know, that's a cool thing about covers.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: But yes, I that was a really fun one.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: So our idea is to do two more and try to complete the story that we started with the um with the alien?
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: With the alien, yeah.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: So that's that's that's the plan.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's kind of talk about something that we started talking about before we pressed record.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, by the time this comes out, the news will be out in the open.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: But Alexa Bliss recently tagged you in a pretty cryptic tease that got people talking.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: What can you tell us about what she has cooking now that it's out?
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us about the song and the whole how it came together.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it it started out as one of those things where everybody was doing the thing where you could have an app turn your your text into a song, right?
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so Ryan did that for for Lexi and and played it for her in the car and it was a it was a huge video and stuff.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: So then I guess he got the idea to just, hey, I'm just gonna go take this and I'm gonna arrange it and put actual music to it and like play this and and record this song.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well if you know our song Alexa Bliss, that one of the lines is, and I hear she can even sing uh because she can sing.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: So instead of having AI do it, you know, he went and actually played all the instruments and and and arranged it as being like a real song and had her sing on it.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: And then I I it's pretty flattering actually you know she's a big pop pump fan.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_00: Girl of the bad guys wanted is like one of her favorite songs.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: She actually has a replica of my Texas guitar, you know, hanging in their house.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so you know she's she's a she's a pop punk fan and so this the song got made and they they they got like an all-star cast to sing background vocals on it.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: But before they finalized it she was like I really want Jarrett to play guitar on this.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's he does this thing like and it just makes it sound like what I want it to sound like and I couldn't get it done before tour.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so they actually waited for me and I got back and I got down to the last night literally the last night that I could do it.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like man I will throw it on right now and I did and and and yeah so it's like it's it's me like the the lead guitar stuff is me on there.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and you know it's it's what I do.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_00: It sounds like bowling pursuit you know it's octaves and and you know uh shit like that.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of me no ne no no and um and so uh but yeah yeah I'm flattered that that she wanted me to be that involved in it.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know they've been friends of mine for a long time.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean I've known Ryan since he was a kid and you know that the fact that they ended up being married is just crazy because he's from here and used to open up for Bowling for Soup in his band Rubik's Groove.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: And and then you know and then I knew Lexi and wrote her song and stuff and then they met and you know and end up getting married.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah so uh I guess by the time this is out the song will be out and uh it's really good and it's just a cute story.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know they did it together and the lyrics are funny and you know you get a little insight into you know who she is outside of the Alexa Bliss character, you know, because it's her actual texts.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just really really well done.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: Produced by Nash from uh the band Totshell Ray.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_00: Wow so uh it's got pop punk all over it.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah yeah so without speaking on her or Ryan's behalf wrestlers are a lot more cognizant of the the length of time with their career than maybe they used to be yeah could you see this being Elaine that she pursues in the future?
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think easily I mean she's that good and she's married to a really great musician and all of their friends are musicians.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: They're they're in that same circle Travis from we the kings who who who writes uh and Ryan writes with Avril and so does Travis they're they're they're in that world already and so you know I think it would be an easy transition for her.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think you know it'd be interesting to see I I haven't really thought about that till you just asked me but because I I know you know they're they're parents now and I'm sure they're probably going to want to have another kid and I don't know if you go back to wrestling after two kids.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know the answer to that but I could see her doing this this kind of thing but also I I could really see her being a creator.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: She's just got such a yes um she's an amazing personality I know she tried to start a podcast at one point not sure really where that went but she is she's a great human and uh and really talented Ryan is an amazing human really talented so I think whatever it is they decide to do when it's time for for her to hang up her wrestling boots uh I think it'll be it'll be something in the creative world for sure.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I I would certainly have her on a bowling for soup song any day.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: Dude I'm glad you say that and honestly at no disrespect to the wrestling career because she's done amazing with that but I've always as somebody that's brought my kids up through wrestling until they didn't give a shit about it anymore.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: But my one of my stepdaughters she is was the biggest Alexa Bliss fan when she was in junior high.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean she saved the WWE during the pandemic.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_00: She literally single handedly saved WWE you know I mean that storyline made sense to do without an audience there.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_00: And they and that that's she did that you know and it's like I don't think I'm not certain that people I don't hear enough talk about it.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't I'm not a so the only reason I got back into wrestling I'm a I was a wrestling a wrestling fan as a kid.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_00: I like the Von Ericks from and the Freebirds from here in Texas.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_00: But my 20 year old no yeah my 20 year old when he was you know nine or 10 back when I met Alexa Bliss he he was into it and uh that's how we started going and that's how she and I connected.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't really know but I I don't he I don't feel like I hear enough people talking about the fact that if it weren't for her during the pandemic they would have lost every one of their viewers.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: And that's that's exactly where I was going is like no disrespect to wrestling but everything that she has done in wrestling transcends wrestling.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and it always looked like you know she could do so much more beyond that.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_01: And my story is very similar to yours.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_01: I I was a huge wrestling fan as a kid fun fact I lived in Amarillo for four years and my dad used to do work with Terry Funk.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: Terry Funk used to sponsor race cars and my dad worked for several car dealerships in Amarillo and so so weird stuff.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah I uh I was into wrestling as a kid got out of it did the rock rock and roll thing the music thing and then when my kids got into it I got sucked back in and yeah I started doing some graphic design work for some of the indies and right before AJ Styles re-signed or signed with WWE I did some graphic design work with him but I really feel privileged to have watched her career come through the ranks the way it has in wrestling and like I said my stepdaughter she was she was Chloe's girl now Chloe cheers in college so yeah well she that that's her thing too right she was right and that's that's what I was getting at just no no coincidences maybe yeah it's pretty crazy she's you know she she came to the house when we did the the video for Alexa Bliss the song by Blink for Soup and you know it's she just got on the trampoline and started I she could she could jump on that thing and get 30 feet in the air and do backflips and you know she's again I I can't stress enough about how I don't really know her as a wrestler.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: I I know because I wrote the song I had to ask my friend who's a wrestling fan a bunch of stuff about her to be able to even finish it because I just know her as a person and she's just a sweet sweet human being her family's awesome and the same with Ryan you know he's a he's a good kid and he's from a great family here in Dallas and you know I I just know that whatever it is that they decide to do either individually or or uh separately whatever but it it's it's gonna be awesome well let's talk about some new bowling for soup music you're recording the first bowling for soup album since 2022 after everything the band has experienced since that last record what do you want this new chapter to sound and feel like it is it's amazing it's done it'll be out early next year I hope you know it is it's it's a it's a really cool thing for us right now because it's the first album ever produced by Bowling for Soup.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_00: You know Chris retired a couple years ago and uh it it was you know it's is very very different carrying on and sort of trying to figure not really trying to figure out but just figuring out it all happened organically it was like okay well we're gonna fill up the sound by doing this I'm gonna play this a little bit different Rob's gonna play this or whatever still gonna sound full and we do and I'm very proud of that.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: But it also really became like hey you know we've got a band together so to speak and like if we're gonna do this let's just freaking do it you know let's be a team let's let's all be involved in everything and so it really has become um a three-way thing and instead of me and Linus producing the record uh bowling for soup produced the record with Dan Malsh who engineered it and uh he does things like Ghost and Event Sevenfold but he owns the studio up there in the poconos where we went and uh man I couldn't be more proud you know we're all involved in it from front to back Rob co-wrote about half the record which is also new having guys in my own band writing songs really hasn't been a thing since the really early days and uh yeah I mean I I think there's enough there's songs that feel like they could be on an album from 97 from us uh but sonically way better and then there's songs where we're you know definitely just evolving into you know what it is I feel like we should be at this time and it's current and it sounds good and there's the funny songs and there's the the songs that got the heart and there's songs about mental health and there's songs about girls and it's it's a really good bowling for soup album man I'm I'm super excited about it.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_01: So any tease about when we're gonna start hearing things trickle out?
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: Man I'm hoping soon we're actually signing with the with a record label since the first for the first time since 2009.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_00: Wow so we were we were self-sufficient until 99 when we signed with Jive we got dropped uh after 10 years 2009 and we've been we've been self self everything DIY since then uh we have a majing managers obviously that that help us with all of that so I can't take the credit for doing literally everything but again still DIY it's all within our camp but yeah we're we're gonna go for it we're gonna really see if we can't take Bowling for Soup to the next level up an up another notch which and and I really believe in it that much I really do you know and I think also it's just a good time for pop punk to be back.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know yellow card two number ones uh Paradox had a number one you know so we've got we've got c uh you know guys that are nostalgic that are that are hitting we got new guys that are hitting and and uh man there's new bands out there that are killer there's I love that all my friends are back doing it again.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's just awesome I it's just a really good feeling time for this genre and and I think you know I don't think pot punk's ever going to go away.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's gonna be like hair metal.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think it'll ebb and flow and it'll have its time where it sort of like floats back up to the surface and and blows up again and then maybe it settles back down into the and then it just blows back up again and we see it all the time, right?
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: Motley Crue and Def Leopard and Poison just did stadiums you know I mean these guys started on the Sunset strip and they just did stadiums 50 years, 40 years into their career.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_00: So I I don't think any of us are going anywhere.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I I I and I think that's good.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know I and and you know I think everybody's got a lot more to to to do and to say and and uh I'm excited to see where that goes.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_00: You and me both man I think we're all better for it.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well my friend I gotta be honest with you and I'm just laying it out here I'm not shining ass.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: This has been one of my most favorite conversations I've had in like 275 episodes six years of doing this show.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: I have thoroughly enjoyed this from start to finish.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much man I I I really have as well.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_00: I was really looking forward to this uh and then for those for those of you who are watching listening I had to cancel at the last minute last week and Mike could not have been more cool about rescheduling and you know I because I'm at home and so life is happening.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know it's like in fact when we finish here I got to go get my kid from theater practice.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: He's had a long day he left the house at 6 30 he had school football practice and then theater practice so he's gonna be wiped out.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I have a feeling it's football night on the couch while he does his homework.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah mine's mine's my wife has made dinner the last three nights it's my turn tonight.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah what are you making I'm just gonna throw a pizza in the oven at a boy.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah at a boy yeah well my friend my closing question I ask this of every single guest because I enjoy everybody's unique perspectives on it.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_01: And it's through your eyes and your experience but what's your advice for making the world a better place tomorrow than it is today.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't want to be cliche but I just think it's so simple.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's just so simple and we're just getting further and further and further away from it.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_00: I we're arguing over everything.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know you you're not allowed to be on a different team anymore.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_00: And it's so sad.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know it's like my ex-wife's grandparents one was a devout Republican one was a devout Democrat and they were married sixty something years or until they're until they died.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: And it was a peaceful great house and it's just crazy to me and not just politically it's like you know I it it's like the internet like why do we why does everybody just seem to just want to fucking say something mean but it just keep keep going you know keep going it doesn't but it doesn't matter like I mean it just so just be kind.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know it's the golden rule is the golden rule for a reason.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's just to me it just seems easy and it's so much better for your own mental health.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_00: If you're I swear to God if you're listening to me right now try it one day just try not to be a dick try not to be an asshole and just be kind smile at the person giving you your coffee take a minute wave at the person that that uh you just gave the that that gave you the right of way you know do kind things and and be kind and don't put a bunch of negative shit on the internet and see how much better you sleep.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_01: Dude wholeheartedly wholeheartedly I was just having this internal monologue about this just the other day that the entire world and everything about life exists in a spectrum like you can't be beholden to one lane or another everything is a spectrum with the exception of like egregious human rights stuff.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_01: Sure sure everything exists in a spectrum but yeah I I totally agree with you the world has lost nuance and we need to find it again and maybe it starts by maybe shutting off the podcast or shutting off the the internet for a bit and go see a live motherfucking show.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I I I think all of that you know like I think you know I think shows like this though are are important.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know this is it's you know I it's accessibility right like I you know one of the great things about being a music fan now again that think about this in a positive way is like just the access you have to your favorite artist now.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like I I've said this a thousand times in 1986 if I would have known what Nikki Six had for breakfast I would have shit my pants like are you serious?
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_00: He had a bagel sandwich I love those you know what I mean and now you just get that shit for free.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_00: You just all of this stuff and these conversations and all of the all of this is out there for you for free.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_00: So you don't need to go beat up on the things that you don't like.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_00: Enjoy more of this that you do hopefully you enjoy this.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't like me that's fine fucking then you don't need to tell me how much weight I've gained I know by the way I've lost 70 pounds you can go fucking thank you anyway the the thing is is that I just feel like we're all it's it's like that whole thing of people can't just think thoughts anymore.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_00: You're not gonna say it to my face.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_00: You're not gonna say it to this guy's face.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's like Mike Tyson says right you guys have all lived this life where you think you can say something and you haven't been punched in the mouth for it right like because when I grew up you if you said some of the shit that people say on the internet you just got popped in the mouth and you learned not to run your fucking mouth anymore right but now it's like you just you think things and you just feel like you have to type it because for some reason there's and then you're going back and you're checking to see if anybody's liked it or if they've made a comment against you so you can fight with them.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_00: And it's the dopamine rush everybody's addicted what a weird thing right no and and I man I've fallen victim to that starting shit on the internet I have a a a very very close friend who's also our assistant tour manager who's over in the UK and he started out as a major fan or whatever.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_00: But anytime he sees that I'm starting to buy into somebody or fight with somebody about something or whatever he'll go okay time to put the phone down and he just sends me a text or whatever because I just you know because we've all it is hard not to especially if somebody's saying something about one of your friends you know or this or you know it's like you know again I don't even I'm not gonna give you any examples because I don't feel like they need to be put in the world.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_00: I just feel like let's just be kind it's easy really is easy.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_01: My wife can read when it's happened to me because I start pacing around the totally because I won't respond.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like I I'm now I've gotten really good where I don't engage.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll just set my phone down and I'll just start pacing and I start breathing heavy and it's like you're gonna have a heart attack you realize that my wife can tell by how hard my thumbs hit the screen but you're freakishly typing over there.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_00: What's going on?
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_00: Do you need to take a break not at some point?
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_00: No that's my thumbs no I yeah man I I I'm the same way man I I I have to just move on I mean honestly it sucks because on the internet anybody can say anything they want with no repercussions now.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know and it just sucks not to be able to defend yourself.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_00: But then if you do defend yourself I actually got it I know we're ending but I'll tell you this this one thing that happened to me is that I had I hired somebody to do a cover for one of our cover singles like and they apparently used AI.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_00: I did not know all I know is is they they brought me back exactly what I wanted and I paid them a certain amount of money.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_00: I paid an artist and I so I did what I'm supposed to do and apparently they used AI but it was exactly what I wanted right so I put it on this well the the they the the fucking AI slop and all that starts and I'm like oh shit well one person in particular took it to Reddit threads and started Jarrett Reddick is looking he's doing this on purpose whatever.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I I started defending myself well apparently if you're if you're if you're I guess if you're famous and you defend yourself then that's pathetic right so the Reddit people come after me about like why are you picking on this pit blah blah blah blah blah blah and I'm just like hey he fucking came at me you know what did I but you you know there's just can't do it.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_00: Can't do it.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know dude I I tell you you know not to go off on another tangent but I agree like I I take a neutral stance as far as the AI thing goes but the AI is getting so good now that you don't know in a lot of cases if something has been AI or not except they run it through these they run it through these filters right they run it through these filters so that and it tells them whether it is but that's the thing right is that like I have graphic designers on staff right so we have our management company has we share one and then I share one with Blue October the band and then you know and they we literally pay them monthly for this stuff.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_00: And then we've got two more that they're they do certain things and they bill us for stuff.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_00: They all have slipped shit in there and use AI and but the argument is is that if I use AI I'm not paying somebody that could be getting paid but I'm like I fucking paid for it.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_00: Right I but anyway I just you know I'm just my stance now is just like I just don't have I can't deal with it.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_00: So please just don't fucking use AI you know and I because I can't deal with it.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_00: Right exactly but it's like I I'm like I know it looks cool this is really fucking neat but we can't do it you know and and again but I think you're right.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean eventually what are you gonna do?
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know and these the fucking AI slot people just say that just to start shit even if it's absolutely 100% it's just they learn something right oh I've learned that AI is bad.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just gonna say that every time I see something that could be AI AI slot fuck AI don't use AI it's just full circle it's the dopamine rush dopamine rush of call and response man.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah absolutely man it's just it's infuriating at times but uh you know I don't know like I've had friends get in trouble for making a shirt and we get somebody fucked with me about a shirt or whatever and I went back to the artist and they swear it's not and I'm just like I what do you want me to do?
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_00: I paid the guy he says it's not I you know what am I supposed to do?
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway you got me all worked up now I gotta tell you man I again just to repeat myself I have thoroughly enjoyed this conversation.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_01: I am definitely throwing you in the friend column and I hope you do the same with me and absolutely when uh when it gets time for that album to come out I I think we should do something like this again.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do it.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do it and then and man bring the family to a show and uh you know anytime and just uh you know where to find me.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_01: Hell yeah man Jarrett Reddick thank you so much for doing the show the world is a much better place with you in it my friends