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Ed Coan: Training Tips, Stories, and the Secret to Strength · The Best Experience

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  Speaker 2: And then we got we're getting to.
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  Speaker 1: The questions, all right, and this is another perk of
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So man asked how to practice not getting angry
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  Speaker 2: and cultivating patients thank you with gratitude. Uh, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: that's all something we always continue to work on because,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you care about anything deeply, you're you're
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  Speaker 2: going to get upset when things aren't quite going right
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  Speaker 2: with those things. Anyway, people get real passionate about things
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  Speaker 2: and stuff like that, but you have to realize getting
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  Speaker 2: angry for the for the things. You have to ask
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  Speaker 2: you a question, is it going to do any good?
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  Speaker 2: How can this help in a positive way? How will
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  Speaker 2: this change someone's mind? Because in the end, that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of what made you angry, was the thing that they
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  Speaker 2: did that you didn't necessarily like that much. Is it
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  Speaker 2: is it? Is it them? Is it you? So the
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  Speaker 2: question is is how do you change that and not
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  Speaker 2: lose your temper and get angry. The best way to
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  Speaker 2: do it is kind of separate yourself from the emotion
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  Speaker 2: and kind of go by the facts of the situation,
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  Speaker 2: which is completely the opposite of what probably the most
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  Speaker 2: of the media in the world tries to push people towards,
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  Speaker 2: and just kind of stick to what the actual facts
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  Speaker 2: of that situation are and understand, you know, it's not
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  Speaker 2: going to be you. It's going to be you know.
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  Speaker 2: It's the main issue is usually with other people and
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  Speaker 2: other problems and stuff like that. So basically, just take
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  Speaker 2: a deep breath, separate out, think about the things logically,
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  Speaker 2: and if logically you're in the wrong, then you're in
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  Speaker 2: the wrong, and accepting that is a big deal. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not always right. I try to be as much
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  Speaker 2: as I can, but I have definitely not always right
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  Speaker 2: about everything. And it's having the grace to understand where
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  Speaker 2: you got it wrong and apologize, move forwards, and don't
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  Speaker 2: make those mistakes again, and that'll do a lot to
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  Speaker 2: keep you from The ego has a lot to do
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  Speaker 2: with getting angry when you've done something that's not quite
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  Speaker 2: right and then letting that ego go to apologize and
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  Speaker 2: to fix it and do the best you can to
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  Speaker 2: fix it. In some cases that will help, and the
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  Speaker 2: other person that is upset at you will kind of
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  Speaker 2: like settle down and you'll start to work together, you know,
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  Speaker 2: or as a team, or just agree to coexist and
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  Speaker 2: not have a problem anymore. The other thing is sometimes
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  Speaker 2: it's them that's wrong and can't accept that their point
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  Speaker 2: of view isn't quite what the facts back up, and
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  Speaker 2: they have to You have to realize it's not you
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  Speaker 2: if they can't come to that reality, if they can't
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  Speaker 2: look at it logically and see that you know, this
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  Speaker 2: is what the issue truly was, and it has It's
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  Speaker 2: not a personal thing towards them. It's just these are
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  Speaker 2: the facts and they were on the wrong side of them.
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  Speaker 2: Realize that's them. And if there's nothing you can do
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  Speaker 2: to educate them to that fact, if they're just unwilling
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  Speaker 2: to listen, sometimes the best way to not get angry
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  Speaker 2: is just to go, Okay, well I've tried, I'm here
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  Speaker 2: to talk, I'm here to help if you're willing to listen.
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  Speaker 2: If you're not willing to listen, you just have to
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  Speaker 2: let it go and move on to the next thing
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  Speaker 2: you really do. And if it's a personal issue where
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  Speaker 2: it puts your existence in danger, you must either stand
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  Speaker 2: your ground or flee. Those are basically the two issues
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  Speaker 2: that you have, but try to have the patience to
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  Speaker 2: deal with people that won't understand and try to listen
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  Speaker 2: to what they have to say. Repeat back what they
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  Speaker 2: what their issue was, and what they're ununderstanding was, so
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  Speaker 2: that you can show them that you you hear their
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  Speaker 2: point of view and then just go and and you know,
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  Speaker 2: I would like to reflect on that this is where
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  Speaker 2: my point of view for this is. These are the
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  Speaker 2: things that happened that I saw that happened, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: I hopefully hopefully you can come to some understanding that
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  Speaker 2: you know, this is where I see it coming from,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, don't get frustrated with it. That's going
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  Speaker 2: to be the biggest issue is don't get frustrated with
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  Speaker 2: it if they can't understand or see your side of it.
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  Speaker 2: Just to explain it the best you can and breathe
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  Speaker 2: and stick to the facts. That's all you can really
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  Speaker 2: do is just stick stick to the facts and just
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  Speaker 2: make sure you're not harm's with That's it. That's that's
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  Speaker 2: about what your true options are, and you know, do
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  Speaker 2: the best you can explain what you are. If they're
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  Speaker 2: completely unwilling to listen, don't get frustrated with it, and
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  Speaker 2: just I feel bad for people that just won't listen
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  Speaker 2: at all. You know that they're so stuck in there
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  Speaker 2: in their way of thinking that they cannot conceive or
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  Speaker 2: understand what another point of view comes from. That's that's
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  Speaker 2: not a you issue.
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  Speaker 1: That's not an issue at all.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody has a question for Ed. It's not here yet.
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  Speaker 2: I'm about to, uh quickly send them a little text text.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's the one thing about lives. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we get it in.
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  Speaker 1: And we get a lot of things happen during these things,
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  Speaker 1: and that's the greatest part, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: And you know that's the Patreon way. You know, we
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  Speaker 1: get to enjoy these brief moments here and there. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know Ed comes in and that we can because
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's one thing too. But it going a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people. He owned tigers Man. That was so insane.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they talk about a life live the stories
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  Speaker 1: that he's told me, and I know we just barely
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  Speaker 1: scratched him.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah, I mean we could probably talk
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  Speaker 2: for with Ed for probably a month straight and still
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  Speaker 2: not Yeah, here are all the stuff that's going on
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  Speaker 2: there in text.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so let's get into question three.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully you didn't misunderstand the time.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well you know that that's the one thing
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  Speaker 3: about time zones. You know what I'm saying, That would be.
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  Speaker 2: My fault if I didn't explain that well enough.
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  Speaker 1: Ah no, it's so right now. It's the same thing
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  Speaker 1: we had. I had a meeting earlier in today and
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  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I thought you meant three o'clock my time.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, no, three o'clock my time. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like, especially when you're doing these
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  Speaker 1: live streams, and then also too even when you're doing podcasts,
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  Speaker 1: it's always hard to collect as much as possible. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know it just sometimes when things happen. But I
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  Speaker 1: guess what, at least another opportunity to jump in for
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  Speaker 1: the next.
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  Speaker 4: One, right right exactly.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we actually got to this, uh this weekend
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  Speaker 1: to Fat Seals and uh enjoyed a few sandwiches and
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  Speaker 1: uh they were pretty good, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: Nick did rate them in the video. But so if
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  Speaker 1: you guys have an opportunity, a chance to go check
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  Speaker 1: it out and make sure you guys go check it out.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's just joining us now.
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  Speaker 4: All right, all right.
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  Speaker 5: It would have been nice if you told me when
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  Speaker 5: we were going to do this.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, that would be my father if I
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  Speaker 2: messed up the time.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you said, hey, you want to want to do
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  Speaker 5: my podcast next week?
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  Speaker 2: Next week at like six, Yeah that's fine or seven.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, time I was telling them.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry, no, that's fine, it's fine.
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  Speaker 2: I love you.
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  Speaker 5: I was out in Michigan all day.
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  Speaker 2: Oh how was that?
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  Speaker 5: Uh it was a white out on the way there
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  Speaker 5: through Indiana, so it wasn't fun driving. Yeah, it's all
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  Speaker 5: highway all the way there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well at least that's good.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah I'm back, so it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, true, true.
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  Speaker 1: Well, now that you caught us in, we're actually answering
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  Speaker 1: uh Patreon member questions and someone actually wrote it question
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  Speaker 1: in for you.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'd like let's just see hi, I'd like to
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  Speaker 2: ask ed another question. Back in his era, there was
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  Speaker 2: far less access to training information than there is today,
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  Speaker 2: without social media or modern coaching systems. What do you
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  Speaker 2: what does he think? Uh? Enabled him to build such
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  Speaker 2: a precise technique and stay consistent for so long?
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  Speaker 5: We took the basics and made it our own. So
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  Speaker 5: we had to learn our own bodies, which I think
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  Speaker 5: it you know, at the beginning, it may be a
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  Speaker 5: little bit harder, but you learn so much about yourself,
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  Speaker 5: and I think it makes you last longer because I
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  Speaker 5: knew what felt good for me. Like if someone said, oh, well,
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  Speaker 5: you bend over too much in the squad, I would
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  Speaker 5: be like, uh, I don't know, I just squatted a
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  Speaker 5: thousand pounds. It's pretty good for me, you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: you know, so I don't I never went by anything,
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  Speaker 5: but if it felt really good and the list went up,
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  Speaker 5: then that was my version of.
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  Speaker 2: Perfect right right. And I don't think people understand that
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  Speaker 2: a lot. I mean I learned that from you. I
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  Speaker 2: really did, because I god, I've trained that way ever since.
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  Speaker 2: Probably Yeah. How can how.
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  Speaker 5: Can someone tell you? How can someone tell you how
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  Speaker 5: you feel? Now? If you're a really good trainer, as
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  Speaker 5: you you you actually know is when you're helping someone,
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  Speaker 5: you ask them how does that feel? Yes, Okay, it
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  Speaker 5: looks really good. How does it feel? Okay? If it doesn't, well,
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  Speaker 5: how does this feel? Then? How does this feel? It's
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  Speaker 5: worth the time and short effort to do that? To
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  Speaker 5: find your version of what really makes you work. And
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  Speaker 5: then after that you say, okay, well I know that
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  Speaker 5: feels good. That plays to my strength where am I
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  Speaker 5: weak at? So I will do a version Like for
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  Speaker 5: the squad, I would do a version of a squad
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  Speaker 5: that were of my weakness, which was a high bar
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  Speaker 5: closer stance and not a front squad. Right, So some
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  Speaker 5: people it was a front squad, some people it's it's
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  Speaker 5: it's you know, higher reps. Some people you know it
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  Speaker 5: really really some people got stuff out of leg presses.
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  Speaker 2: It was squat and leg press.
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  Speaker 5: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Those that really helped me develop my squad as best
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  Speaker 2: as I could get.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I think is missing now is a
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  Speaker 5: lot of the people stopped thinking for themselves and just
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  Speaker 5: want to pay someone who really isn't an expert. After
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  Speaker 5: they do one meet, all of a sudden they're, you know,
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  Speaker 5: a power lifter trainer online and they take money. Yeah
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  Speaker 5: and yeah, I loved it so much, and as I'm
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  Speaker 5: sure anybody that really comes in the gym has to
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  Speaker 5: love it and have a good reason to be there,
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  Speaker 5: whether it be to look better physically, to be healthier,
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  Speaker 5: to get strong as hell, or all the above and
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  Speaker 5: if you really love it, it's it was never a chore. No, No,
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  Speaker 5: I think I might have said it before that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: every time I was in the gym and I trained
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  Speaker 5: really hard and either I, let's say I threw up,
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  Speaker 5: or I had a bloody nose, or I had a
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  Speaker 5: tiny strain and a muscle because it's something I probably
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  Speaker 5: did wrong, or I shp my pants from squatn my
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  Speaker 5: tail was wagging one another time. I loved every single
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  Speaker 5: part of it. Yeah, so it was it was never
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  Speaker 5: It was never hard. You know, Oh you gotta you
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  Speaker 5: gotta go through these workouts that are so grueling, that
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  Speaker 5: so this, and it's like, so what, I fucking love it.
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  Speaker 5: It's that this is a gift. I was gifted myself
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  Speaker 5: every time I got to go in the gym. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it showed pretty much everything that you did.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you really do.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, if you love it, you'll never If you don't
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  Speaker 5: love it, you'll never be good at it because it
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  Speaker 5: won't be fun. You can make anything fun. My dad
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  Speaker 5: was just a businessman. He was a nerd for numbers
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  Speaker 5: and he loved it. He had a very very successful business,
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  Speaker 5: but he still did accounting work in the basement for
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  Speaker 5: people because you just loved it. You would hear like
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  Speaker 5: the old not calculator, the old adding machine. Were you either, like, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: that's what he had with a regular you know, ticker
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  Speaker 5: tape coming out. I remember all that stuff, and he said,
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  Speaker 5: I just love it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean if you if you do
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  Speaker 2: something that you love and you're able to make a
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  Speaker 2: living from it, you'll never work a day in your life.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, oh no, no, that's that's that's the old adage,
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  Speaker 5: and it's you know, even even today. I I know
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  Speaker 5: that if I tried to be the old me, I
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  Speaker 5: would get hurt and probably disappointed. So I'd just be
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  Speaker 5: a little bit of the version I was, and I'm
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  Speaker 5: happy with it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm starting to come to grips with that a
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  Speaker 2: little bit now, I really am.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, when you can put some good effort into whatever
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  Speaker 5: lift you're doing or event training you may be doing,
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  Speaker 5: is if you could put enough effort in there to
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  Speaker 5: feel good about it and make your body feel good,
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  Speaker 5: that's success.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more so. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: and that's the thing these kids will pick, like anybody
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  Speaker 2: to coach them.
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  Speaker 4: And it's.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of one of the issues I see now
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  Speaker 2: is everybody has a coach. And I mean we really
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  Speaker 2: didn't have a whole lot of coaches back then.
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  Speaker 5: We've there was there was nobody that could help us.
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  Speaker 5: You had to be in the gym and part of
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  Speaker 5: a team for someone to coach, right, and even and
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  Speaker 5: and even those people had the limited uh some amount
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  Speaker 5: of limited knowledge themselves because they were experiment on you
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  Speaker 5: a little.
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  Speaker 2: Bit, right right, which yeah, which is like massive and
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of like what it's like, how do these
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  Speaker 2: kids now find and pick somebody that's going to be
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  Speaker 2: good for them?
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  Speaker 5: I mean they don't know. They just whoever's got something
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  Speaker 5: cool on social media?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Well, and that's the thing that's not it,
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  Speaker 2: to be quite honest with you, that's that's.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's why that that's why there's only so many
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  Speaker 5: people that are.
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  Speaker 2: Great, right exactly. So the question is is what should
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  Speaker 2: they really be looking for if they want to get
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  Speaker 2: better at something instead of what's out there and available.
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  Speaker 5: Well, if you truly love it, the first thing you
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  Speaker 5: should do is take your time so you get the
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  Speaker 5: perfect technique for you, whatever feels the best and then
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  Speaker 5: you do a basic routine. Now, a basic routine depending
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  Speaker 5: on how you pick your numbers, pick your assistance work,
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  Speaker 5: pick your sets in reps. Isn't so basic anymore, no,
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  Speaker 5: you know, Albert Einstein had a line where there's genius
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  Speaker 5: and simplicity. So to me, I took that like, if
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  Speaker 5: it looks too complicated on paper, it's not for me.
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  Speaker 5: So what you got to do is, like I, I
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  Speaker 5: kind of have an image of the glacier and the Titanic.
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  Speaker 5: It's what's underneath the water. So if you understood how
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  Speaker 5: I picked my numbers, how I picked my technique, how
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  Speaker 5: I picked my recovery, the sets and reps and mindset,
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  Speaker 5: then you realize, well, there's the genius part. How do
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  Speaker 5: you make that simplicity work? It's the basic everything is
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  Speaker 5: should be simple.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's funny how we over complicate this in
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  Speaker 2: like this day and age, we over complicate a lot
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  Speaker 2: of stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, that's because it makes it it sound better
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  Speaker 5: and make you know, if it makes it sound better.
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  Speaker 5: So usually by people that want to sell you the
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  Speaker 5: new invention of a wheel. Yeah, agreed, Yeah, you make
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  Speaker 5: it sound really cool, dress it up a lot, you know,
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  Speaker 5: lipstick on a pig.
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  Speaker 2: Now here's a question. Do you think it's your ability
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  Speaker 2: to watch somebody and analyze something like in ninety six
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  Speaker 2: when you and Kirk just walked up to help me.
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  Speaker 2: You guys sat there and helped me threw warm it up,
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  Speaker 2: and it was like I was, I was just on
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  Speaker 2: a whole another level of excitement.
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  Speaker 5: Well, see what, I will take some of the credit.
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  Speaker 5: I won't take credit for Kirk's physique or his mindset,
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: though part of it is mindset. When you when you
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: don't miss in training, you develop a positive mindset pretty easy. True. Now,
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: So I gave Kirk as the routine that I did,
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: and I would talk to him on the phone all
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: the time every week, so you know, his his switch
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: at the end was different because he was a little
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: more psycho. Oh yeah, so a little bit I'm being
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: nice and yeah, he's slightly more aggressive.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: That's so he would go ahead, Yeah, I was gonna say.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: So he would like to take some like a heavy
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: single at the end, not a MAX but a heavy
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: single usually. And the difference was I would end on
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: a double and I would feel good about it. He
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: would need to feel the way, let me feel it.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: You know that's Kirk, So just a little sweat show.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: You let him do that as long as it doesn't
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: bring him to a peek and overtrain.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Which I'm kind of like a mixture between the two.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: There's times where I could go with the two or three,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: or there's times I'll go up and hit a heavy single.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Well see, you know. And in powerlifting, I would say
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: the routine has to be pretty much fully written to
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: get you the result you want. Again, if you change
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: any part of it, it changes the outcome.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: You can't miss. And that's the thing.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: You can't miss, but you can't have it to where
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: it's such a ball buster right before the meat that
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: it it all of a sudden, Now your peak is
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: on because you're already peaked now. With strong Man, it's different.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: It's a lot more repetitive, super heavy stuff because it's
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: not so much a lift as it is a body
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: movement that you have to master, so that that's a
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: little bit different. So when you train for that, you
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: have to keep your powerlifting lifts heavy but not maxing
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: out because you got to go so heavy on the
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: other stuff, right, and vice versa. If you want to
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: do a little strong man with powerlifting as assistance exercises,
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: you take it as that. You know, powerlifting for strong
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: man is an assistance exercise. Strong wind for powerlifting isn't
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: a sistance exercise. Yeah, yeah, And that's how it has
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: to be treated.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Right, And when your priority is a strong man contest,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: the powerlifting becomes your assistance and just a good base
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: to have and then yeah, you're doing a powerloating meat.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: The strong man becomes the assistant stuff and a good
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: bass to have going into.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's much more, much more multi dimensional with strong
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: man than it is powerlift. Yeah, but most of most
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: of your best, most of your best strong men good squat,
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: bench and deadlift the funk out of.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Ship, Yeah, the really good ones. Yeah. Yeah, for and
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: it would have been interesting and that's that.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: And look at the deadlift.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: It had been kind of interesting to see Eddie and
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Brian do a parlating meat back in their heyday. It
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: would have been fun to watch. Oh they could have
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: done because I mean both Eddie and.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: Brian, Eddie's Eddie's squat and bench would have been world records,
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: no problem.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it's dead.
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, if if he didn't have a heart attack,
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: after squats. That's how big he was.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: His death of strength was extraordinary. But to be able
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: to hold on to a bar all the way through
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: with no straps would have been harder for these guys
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: because they were so big. Now they may have like
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: Brian has one of the best grips in the world,
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: but the overall size of his hand and then the
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: size of the bar, you know, that would have been
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: a detriment where you know, my hands were huge, but
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: they weren't as.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Thick, right, Yeah, yeah, exactly, they're like Eddie's hands when
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: he was at his biggest, we're just like grabbing a
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: catcher's mitt. They really were, and Brian's as well.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: But yeah, there was so much thickness in there that
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: his fucking wristler as big as my leg.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Say something else, well, Brian, Brian could still. The thing
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: is it's like a big, heavy, larger handle farmers walk to.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Brian could handle all those as well. Yeah, Eddie, Eddie's
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: got an incredible grip, But when he was at his biggest,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: that was that was a kind of like a when
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: your hand just got much better.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: When your hand is that thick, only so much of
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: it covers the bar less actually less, there's less that
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: actually covers the bar. One of my advantages. I've have
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: a really really wide hand, so more bar sits across it.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: You're one of the it was never a problem. Yeah,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: you're one of the few people I still I know.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: When I go to shake your hand, I have to
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: be ready.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: Good hand, yet, gotta shake like a man.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: You got to come prepared.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: Has Haga shakes her hand the same way, freaking Vikings.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: That's awesome.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: It's good stuff. But oh yeah, and then the difference
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: in the bars. Now, the deadlift bars are lot thinner than.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: They're thinner and longer with better neuraling, and that enables
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: the guys to hold on to it. Plus it makes
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: him lift a lot. The more weight you use, the
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: more it helps you.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's it's obvious.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we had a I mean, back at my best stuff,
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: it was just a regular short, stiff bar.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the same Barie squad On.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: There's a couple of good guys right now. The deadlift
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: over nine hundred with a stiff bar. That's you know, hey,
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: Zeus Alivaris. Yeah, and then you got the guy Arius
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: who just pulled a little over nine, and you had
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: that guy Sir Dave, who was like fucking a nine
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: to fifty pole, and h Kyle Kurvey who's just a
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: frickin monster of everything about him is huge and strong.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: So there's a few guys, there's not as many lightweight guys.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: I think. I think a hack could pull around, could
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: pull like maybe eight fifty on a stiff bar. Yeah,
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: so yeah, he is no slowsh and that's just a
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: little over two twenty body weight.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, hacks like that guy is obnoxiously.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: Strong for his Yeah, he's very strong.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: And he's a good dude. He's fun to hang out with.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: He's really he's really nice. He doesn't he doesn't bad
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: mouth anyone, which is very very cool, very cool.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I did that seminar with him. That was a
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: lot of fun.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was my fill in. Yeah you hear that
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: John my fill in.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Beause I know he plays.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I love doing seminars with you though. It's so
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: much fun and it's just talk.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: It's easy.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like, look like how we're talking now. It
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: could go on for two hours and would only feel
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: like a half hour at best.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, easy.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: Because it flows. It's not like it's not all the
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: same ions, bullshit formal crap. You won't learn anything that way.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Well, it's like the people that have to sit there
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: and explain it and prove it to you over and
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: over any game.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: Don't know it. They don't know it. Like it. If
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: we give a cue, okay, the funny one the video
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: when we did when you did you took it off
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: the rack in the basement of the gym at the hotel. Yeah,
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: I gave you like one cue. Just do this. A
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: lot of the guys now, the trainers will give you
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: four different cues on how to do that when you
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: don't need one. You want the Charles Pollock when you
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: used to call it his thumb in the IQ's that
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: one thumb in the eye ends the fight. Yeah, so
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: it has a domino effect. So if I tell you
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: and the squad or the deadlift to pick up your sternum,
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden, your shoulders set back up, your
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: your stirnham comes up. All the muscles in your back
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: from top to bottom lock up and stay tight embraced. Yep.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: So there's nothing else you really have to do.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: No, it hits, It hits it does the it does.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it sets everything in motion right.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: And the crazy thing is is got to be like, oh,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: we'll do this and do that and do this and breathe.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: At this point, it's like, just take your deep breath,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: lift your Sturnham, and go down. Crack your hips.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: And so when when you pick up a sandbag, yep
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: from a layman that doesn't know any better. For me watching,
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: it looks like everyone picks it up exactly the same way,
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: do they? Nope?
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Why because there's some ways there are a lot easier
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: than others and a lot faster than.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: Others, depending on how they're built.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Correct. Oh yeah, yeah that too, Yeah for sure.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: So everything. The only disadvantage as strong men would have
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: is a lot of their stuff is time that they
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: don't have. They don't have all always has enough enough
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: time to set up as perfect as they would want to.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll agree with that.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, especially if they're timed.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially multiple pickups.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: Yes mm hm that's why yo, perfect practice, yeah yep.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: And again, if you love it that much, you want
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: to be able to do it forever. So if you
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: take your time to get it down right, it gives
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: you the chance to do that.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, one hundred percent. And it's one of
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: those things where if you love it that much, you're
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: going to research it that much and you're going to
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: experiment with yourself with it that much. Like like you
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: were saying earlier, the perfect technique is the one that
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: you lift the most with without getting hurt in, the
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: one that fits your body the best, because your body
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: and my body are very different.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: And then after that, so after you find that first
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: perfect technique on that lift that you want to get
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: the best, then you say, where am I the weak
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: is at? And what exercise helps this?
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: Yes, because here's what it is. We are all born
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: with a strength here and a weakness here. Certain things
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: are strong, certain things are weak. If we don't develop
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: that much in between and bring that weakness up towards
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: the strength, the gap gets bigger and bigger, and that's
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: when that weakness is detrimental to everything you want to do.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: And that's where injury or being frustrated comes in. And
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: it's just not fun anymore, right because you didn't take
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: your time. It was so much fun doing this exercise
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: that that's all I did. Well, then you got really
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: week and other exercises. If it was in the bench,
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: then all of a sudden your shoulders got all fucked
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: up because you didn't focus on your upper back or
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: your triceps or your biceps or another part of your
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: chest or whatever. And the same in the squad and deadlift.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: So I mean, take your time, make it. Dot your
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: eyes and cross your t's. You can go from a
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: perfect paper having an A to not doing your punctuation
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: and get a cry.
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: That's same equivalents. Yeah, and take your time and make
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: it right. It's a very short time. You could do
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: that in one training cycle of some slight experimentation and
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: figure it out and then you got it. You've got
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: a template for life. What routine did you follow? Did
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: you change it up all the time? People ask me, no,
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: why because what I did work. I'm not going to
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: change it if it keeps working right.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: And I don't think people do that as much as
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: they should either.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they think they have to change everything and it's
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: not I mean, I know Louis used to like to
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: do that a lot, but a lot of that was
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: those guys were such a handling such monstrous amounts of
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: weights with a lot of boards and chains and bands
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: and box squats and stuff like that, that they had
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: to be a lot more careful because the loads on
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: their bodies were so much greater, right, and those lists
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: that they were doing, and because a lot of those
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: lists were done because it helped out when they put
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: on the equipment.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no exactly. And that's the thing. It's like, yeah,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I always wanted to be that strong walking down the street.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I wanted to look you know, it's the only
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: sports that if someone says you look like a gorilla,
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: it's like thank you.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. I don't think people realized, like back in
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: the day when you had your vent shirt or the
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: squad suit that you put on. I remember watching you
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: in the back put your squat seat on and your
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: bench shirt for that man, Yeah, and they just slid on.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah. It was only because I really had to wear
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: them for the competition.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Right, I mean it was it was so funny watching
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: you just slide your your squat seat on, I mean,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: just by yourself.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: I was a pretty I was a pretty fast lifter.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: I like to my descent on all my lists to
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: go fairly quick, and the equipment prevented me to do
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: that from doing that, so then it didn't feel like
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: it was part of my real movement. Then that benefited me.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: It didn't feel good, right, and so you know a
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: lot of times soone, when you practice too much with
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: that stuff, it takes away from your raw strength, which
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: is why I got into it. And I didn't like
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: if my raws tank was going to go down. Nope, nope,
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: I don't like that.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: And you know, if it took off more on my
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: bench or whatever, because not a type, that's I'm fine
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: with it.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it was funny because I still have
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: one of your bench press shirts, which is all that's
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: fun really cool. Yeah, it's I remember he handed it
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: to me in one of the meats in Vegas. When
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: you're done, you're like, here, I'm just I took that
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: ran before you could change your mind.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: Oh I wouldn't have changed my mind.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: I hope.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I was so excited that day. It was pretty cool.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: And there was there was a lifter, uh and I
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: was from Bulgaria named Eugenny really Eugene pop Off. He
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: used to compete against Alexeyev Oh wow, okay. He was
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: the number two dog and he got into powerlifting when
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: he was older and a super heavyweight, and I gave
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: him one of I would always give him my bench
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: shirt at a contest for him to use. Yeah, that's
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: how I lose my bench shirts were.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I got the shirt and I think I was
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: in the two seventy five's at the time, and I
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: remember looking at the number on the shirt and it
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: was like three sizes bigger than the one I wore.
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I just I didn't like it. Couldn't handle it.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then watching you put it on, I mean
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: just it just went on it. You know. There wasn't
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: guys ripping all the skin off their knuckles trying to
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: get it down your arms. You know what I didn't.
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: I didn't like the way. See, at one time, the
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: front in the back of the shirt were exactly the
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: same material. That's when it used to cut your arm
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: puts and ripping the shreds. I am actually the one
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: that got Insurre to change the front and the back material.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: I said, I had a really really big back. Yeah,
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: so it didn't. It didn't. That type material didn't work
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: well on my back because my back couldn't breathe and
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: my last couldn't move in the bench like I wanted
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: them to move. So I think that that's why he
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: changed it, because I kept begging him to do something
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: about that.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would totally makes sense because those things were
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: just like literally then they would dig through your arm
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: pits and stuff and leave like bloody well.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: Everywhere, like the old the old school, like Ernie France
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: squat shoots suits. He had it so tight around the
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: legs that you would actually bleed on your thighs.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I remember that.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that wasn't fun.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: That's insane.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Or you'd have all the like the the marks
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: across your hips from trying to get down and hit
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: depth and it takes like two weeks from the hill.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah if they healed yeah before.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that that's yeah, that that you know, I've never.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, when you when you take when you take a shower,
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: when you take a shower afterwards and that water hits
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: those fresh.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Wools, oh yeah, just jump right out of the shower,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: raw out well. And then you used to wrap your
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: own knees.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: Too, right, Yeah, it was like there were just like
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: two meter wraps back in the days. So yeah, I
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: like to wrap it because I knew how I like
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: to go. If I had done furnace rapping one time
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: and he took the skin off the back of my
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: leg and I couldn't go down in a squad as
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: fast as I wanted to, so I didn't like the
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: way it fell.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember I had john Ford once wrap my
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: knees with some TP five thousands, oh my, and those
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: things they were good for maybe three uses if you
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: were lucky, and they would just tear. Like the skin
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: on the back of my legs was just gone. After
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: that was over, it was.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: You're gonna I can I can make you laugh? Okay, Wait,
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: I gotta put down the seat and it's.
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: Like an old guy.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: In your living room.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: So it sits underneath the table.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome. It's funny. Like the normal size now
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: it's two and a half meters and then there are
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: a lot to go up to three meters and.
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: And it's a little bit different material to while a lot.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: But and what's funny is like before they invented velcrow, yeah,
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: on wrist wraps with a loop, we used to just
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: take an old pair of knee wraps and cut it
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: in half.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Yep. I've done that. Yeah, And then you you take
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: the like a lighter and like burn the edge of
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: the knee wrap so it didn't fray.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: When you were doing Oh I never did that.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that way they didn't pray because you use
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: them about two or three weeks and they start to fray.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Must have been a California thing on a Midwest think.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Sorry. Yeah, well, you know, you come up with those things,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: you see a problem. You're like, why are these coming
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: up so fast?
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: And that's that's who made them out. There was George
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: Zengis out in California too, And.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Then uh god, what was the guy that had the
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: marathon deadlift suit? Do you remember that thing?
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: I do remember, well, Georgeis made those. Yeah, those ones,
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: like would they would make a guy have an instant camelton?
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah. The crazy thing is is they
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: actually worked on for a conventional deadlift. They were the
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: most painful things you had ever put on. I mean
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: you would you'd take the thing off and you'd at
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: least three or four octaves higher when you were talking.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: If you were if you were if you were more
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: of a back deadlifter. They weren't great. They weren't great.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Yep, oh there, but the design everything just lost and
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: nobody has come up with anything close.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: And the material was stiffer too. Yeah, well that's why
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: it dug in.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: It was stiffer, and I think the fabric, the fabric
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: gave one way and didn't give the other. So yeah,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: the design they put it in, they had the fabric
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: not giving in one direction. And you put that thing
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: on one way and you could get into the suit.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: And then once you put the straps up like stuff
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: in a sausage, Well you almost needed to wear a
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: cup just to be safe. Yeah, you really did. It
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: was oh man. But yeah, but those would you probably
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: get fifty sixty pounds out of those Back in the day.
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: A lot of people didn't.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't wear I never wore a dead lift suit.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah I know.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Well the way I built it wasn't really conducive.
• 40:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah, true, man, it was just just I wish today
• 41:02
  Speaker 8: the kids would understand the difference between what they're doing
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: now and what the sport is now and where it
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: was back then.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: They they they they won't because it would, uh, it
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: would be a hit to their egos mm hmm. And
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: I don't necessarily mean that like against them, like in
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: a bad way, right, because what they're doing and they
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: loved because they didn't, they didn't learn any differently correct.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: That's why it's so hard. You can't compare. It's too
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: hard to compare eras.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, just the two hour way in, I mean
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: that you have to do. And guys don't get that anymore.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: They don't under they're other than the IPF, I think,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: and the guys who compete in that federation.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's about it. That's only it.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: It's the only one. People don't get that anymore. I
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: mean it's like you had me, so two hours before
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: your contest started.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, before your session started, you had the wigh.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: In, so if you were in the heavier weight classes,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: you you had to watch your tail all day. Not
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: just because sometimes our contest didn't start to like five
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: six in the afternoon, so.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: I barely had time to eat anything because I was
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: at the end of the realm, but I had to
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: start warming up as soon as possible. So, I mean,
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: it's when your session starts. So if you if they want,
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: if you wanted to, if they wanted to have a
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: way in four hours before your session started, it was illegal.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it literally and they had to stick to
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: schedules a little bit more than they do now. And
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: they they ran you through the heats.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: You had to go, oh yeah, now there's a lot
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: of meats where a lot of shit is. Let let's
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: slide because they want the big lifts in those meat
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: that's what it's designed for.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: When I I did a couple of those meats, and
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: then I went my last met, which was I don't
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: know if it was the Nationals or Worlds, and you know,
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: one of the pseudo worlds, you know, for it was
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: for people they can't go to a real world, so
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: here's another world. And I remember all of a sudden,
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: after squats, I'm sitting back there breathing heavy, and they said, well,
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: you better start getting ready because your session, your ben
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: session is about to start. I was like shit. Then
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: I realized how spoiled I was at some of these
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: other meets.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I mean the moment you walk out the platform, you
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: had to start getting the patch. Yeah, moment you walked
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: out the platform, you had to start getting ready for deadlift.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: There's yep, and you had maybe twelve to fifteen minutes
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: that's it.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: And sometimes there's pretty fucking quick.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: So not only did you have to be strong, you
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: had to be in decent.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: Enough shape there. But see, if that's what you're doing,
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: and that's the way it is, that's just the way
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: it is. You just didn't. I mean in the old days.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: I remember when I was still at one eighty one
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: up until that time in the that was like eighty four.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: That was because eighty five I think that's when they
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: came out with the round system. And for some meets,
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: and I mean I had to like they they had
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: meet the eighty ones in the one ninety eights together
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: at Nationals. So in the deadlift there was only one
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: guy at one ninety eight and I was at one
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: eighty one that could deadlift a higher seven. That was
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: a guy named Buddy Duke. So I took my opener
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: deadlift at seven forty nine. Then he went and he
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: was over with Then I had to follow him right
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: away and took I took seven ninety one to break
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: the record. And back in those days, the way the lift,
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: the bar couldn't stop on the way up. It had
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: to keep moving. It stopped at my knees and then
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: went straight up. It didn't go back down, but it
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: stopped and and whent uh kept going So I got
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: red lighted. Well, I had a minute to call my
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: attempt in three minutes to go again because there was
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: no one else left in the realm but me. So
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: then you had to You had to repeat it and
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: do it. Didn't think anything of.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: It, just nailed it.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Just you have to and then screw your head on
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: straight and go pull. Yeah, you can breathe when you're done.
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's only it's only hard. It's only harder
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: if you bitch about it. True, this is what you
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: gotta do.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, nothing changes, no, And there's.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: A lot of that with just like in general, I mean,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: people waste a lot of times. People waste more energy
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: complaining about something.
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: It's not worth it when you're looking.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Done with it.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you you inject a negative into your psyche which
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: prohibits you from doing your best.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Right, which which is a massive deterrent for pretty much anything.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: When you go into contest and we've both had it
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: where Okay, I feel great after my second attempt. I'm
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: going to go for this because I know I can
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: get it. Or it's like my second attempt was this hard.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: Let's just go up a little bit and make this
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: because I want to try to go nine for nine
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: in the meet. That's the object is not to miss
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: an attempt, not to you know, let's say you squat
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: at nine hundred and the record was nine fifty. If
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: you're so set on getting nine to fifty one even
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: when you're not really capable of it that day, Let's
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: say you're only capable of nine thirty, Let's say you
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: make nine thirty. But let's say, on the other hand,
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: let's say you tried and missed, and then some guy
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: comes and he benches more than you and deadlist more
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: than you and wins and you lost by ten pounds.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: Who's the dummy. You're a powerlifter first. That means squat,
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: bench deadlift total. If you want to go in a
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: records meet, that's fine, but that should You got to
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: realize what your goal is.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Right, There's something else that the kids really of today
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: don't understand. You. You probably remember this as much as I do.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: You couldn't set world records in anything butt three lift meets.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: There were no single lift meets.
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they had that, they and it had to be
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: a nationals and worlds that had qualifying international refs there, yep.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: So if you couldn't get to one of those level meets,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: you weren't setting a world record.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: Now all you have to do is you can go
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: into little meets and say it's a world record exceeding
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: list with your buddies judging, and get it past them.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: Now it's a record.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Slightly different, Yeah, slightly different. I'm it's just seeing
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: the changes over the years. It's just kind of interesting
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: how it is now. Some of the federations were so
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: uptight they almost tried to like intentionally make you miserable
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: while you're competing, and it was about.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's because they were run by people that were
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: never any good top level lifters, right.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: And then there it's like consistent and fair judging is.
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: That's all I want for me? If I'm judging, if
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: the lifter makes me even think for a second about
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: that lift, I give a white light.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Right, And it's kind of how it should be, you know, yeah,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: it really should. I'm kind of the same way if
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I got to sit there and wonder, you know, now,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: if I have to question myself, you got the lift.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: If I don't have to question it, you know, like
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: it's either oh no, that's not even close, or if
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I'm going, you got the lift? Yeah, so yeah, and
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: it's it's sometimes it gets kind of a hot seat
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: to be sitting in with your judgment as well. Oh yeah,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, we talked about that.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: Thank God. I don't care. Right, I'm in the judge seat.
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: And that's it. If you want to ask me why
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: I read light, did you, I'll tell you. Yeah. I
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: mean I have my own meat. Every May. It's I
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: think it's May sixteenth this year in Omaha, and I'm
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: the head judge for the whole meet. Every single lift.
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: I have two other judges that are more than enough qualified.
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: I don't question the other judges. They are not sitting
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: where I'm sitting. I am not sitting where they they're sitting.
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: I may not really agree with it, but I'm not
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: sitting in their seat, right, and the story right, that's it.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: That's one thing I kind of like turns off is
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: you'll have you know, the judges like go over to
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: the other judges and like say things.
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: It's like, now, it's then they should have given a
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: white lives.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: I should stop, you know, it really should. It's look,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: you're the judge you're in the chair, even if you're
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: being trained, you can go back and look at it
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: yourself again later. There's enough video on those things to
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: where you can change.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: I'd make mistakes. Yeah, we all make mistakes. I mean,
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: here's my biggest mistake. You'll probably get calls on this, okay.
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: Scott Mendelssohn did the raw record at like seven fourteen
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: when it was that and that I was so nervous
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: as the head judge, I believe I think it was
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: in New England. I was so nervous as the head
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: judge that my press command was so fucking fast it
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: didn't even pause. Yeah, And I was like, oh shit.
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: Then he took a third attempt at seven and I
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: made sure I waited. It was a great pause press.
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: It was three quarters the way up, going easy, and
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: it let it drift out in front of him. I
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: was so pissed he didn't get that lift. Not the
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: fact that I was I was rooting for him to
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: get the lift, for him to get the record, but
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: the simple fact that the record that was going to
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: count was the one that I fucking messed up on
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: the pressure.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Before, right, And that's that's kind of Yeah, that's that's
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: one of the things that kind of makes you nervous.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: This is like when you're judging. It's like if you
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: make a mistake and then the guy comes up again,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: it's like, I need you to make this because this
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: will fix the one I screwed up on.
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: Well, ye know what. That's why I have two other judges.
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: Oh there was another judge that fucked up too.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my god. It's it's just it's just like
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: I said, it's just kind of interesting and it can
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: be a hot seat because sometimes you can make some
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: stuff that's pretty make the things that are pretty unpopular.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: It's like, no, dude, I'm sorry. Your knees were bent
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: a little bit, which makes your hips not able to
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: come through. Your hips aren't through your hips. And you
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: shoulders being back another thing, you know, get them back.
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: Stand up straight, Yeah, erect, stand up.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Straight, erect and get your shoulders back, not leaning forwards back.
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: That that would be a problem I would have nowadays
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: with the uh, the the new noodle bars that deadlift
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: with and a lot of the sumo pillars pillars when
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: they are going hook grip, they're not even close to
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: being locked out with their shoulders back, and I don't
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: I don't really like that. I think they get away
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: with a lot of bullshit and too many meats. Not
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: all the meats, but most of the meats.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And you can see it too, because it's like
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: it's they're they're in a they're yeah.
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: You're rolled all the way fucking forward.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: You're not here.
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: That's not the rule here. That's not the rule here.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: And it's like, no, it's here, yep, you know, it's
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: it's not that big of a difference, but it makes
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: a big difference that.
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: It's enough where it looks where if you know how
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: to judge.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: It is and people have to understand what they're looking
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: at as well, and it's like, oh yeah, that's.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: The thing that they they It's it's like a lot
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: of things nowadays where certain things have become the norm
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: so they say it's okay. And that's that's when the
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: organization or or the sport itself or society in itself
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: starts to fail and go downhill where they start start
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: accepting ship that really isn't good.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which it slowly erodes kind of the you know,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: integrity of the sport itself. It's like, how much does
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: it mean when everybody gets a record?
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: You know, it doesn't mean anything. The rules are there
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: to protect the organization and the lifter, right.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like having an when you have an
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: all time world record, that's an all time world record,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, you either got the biggest squat of
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: all time in a weight class from all federations, all everything,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: or you don't.
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: And I mean yeah, but the sanctity of that record
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: should be you shouldn't be able to question it whatsoever.
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: It should be very blatantly clear that it was a
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: good lift.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Right right.
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: And that's why I'm good. I'm good with my career.
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: I'm happy with what I did and the way I
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: did it. I think I could have done a little more,
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: but it didn't happen that way, so I'm okay.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no big dealt. And the thing is is,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: nobody could ever question one of your squads, like nobody, Oh.
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: God, no, anyway, I felt better going lower than I did,
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: even I never even tried to cut a squad. I
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: didn't know how I would have felt weird.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember when they misloaded the bar on you
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: when you're trying to open nine forty seven and ended
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: up being in Vegas. Yeah, it ended up beat one
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: thousand and thirty six.
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you almost that wass be my opener, Ben,
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: you'll be.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that day took that day you took your
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: last opener out on the platform because they couldn't do
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: it in the back room. Yeah.
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: I think it was like eight eight, eight seventy or something. Yeah.
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: And I didn't even tie my shoe. I didn't tie
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: my shoes yet.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And so they misload the bar and to
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: ten six and he just about.
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: I just missed it because I fell forward with him.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: And so then listen to this, Ben. So the rule
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: is when there's a misload, you retake it at the
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: end of the round. I was the last person at
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: the end of the round. God, yeah, so I had to.
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: So I had to retake nine forty seven. So I
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: did with a very limited round of five minutes rest
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: at the most, let's say. And then when I hit
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: the bottom, I felt a slight little pull in the
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: back of my calf. So I shifted some weight over
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: onto the right side instead of the left side, pressed
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: it up, and I was like, I'm done. I'll took
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: a light bench and a light deadlift because I wasn't
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: gonna get out what I want. I wasn't gonna re hurt,
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: get any more hurt.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you got to know when to call
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: it too, and uh.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Oh oh man, I can. I can tell you right
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: when to call it. Yeah, he'll watch that.
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: You have no choice.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah that was a good second attempt, but you're done.
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: That's all. Save save your energy because it's not gonna
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: it's not gonna end.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you did that to me.
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: You have to have realistic, attainable goals, just like every
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: everything you do in training has to be doable. That
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: has to lead someone somewhere. It does. If it's all
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: full balls to the wall every single training session, you
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: have nowhere to go. You're trying to peak out every
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: single week and you don't grow. That's what progressive overload is.
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: And that's that's that's something people, and there's.
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: A lot of different ways to do progressive low overload.
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: I just preferred it the way I did it. It's
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: set very well in my brain and I could I
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: could do it.
• 57:46
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: Some people say, well know that the way you do
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: the perization blah blah, blah. I said, well, if you
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: knew how to pick your numbers like I did and
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: the assistance exercise, Uh, then you would completely understand it
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: and you would get better.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: True, very true. And it's it was a lot like
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: that when you when you help me do some of
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: the stuff, because I just kind of ask you questions.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: You just rifle it all off and I'm.
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: Like, keep it, keep it pretty simple and less perfect
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: these things, and then everything good happens. Yeah, it's the
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: you know, the the basic building blocks never ever go
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: out of style, a jab across in a hook. If
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: you can develop those where you're the master, that everything
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: else comes.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: Easy, everything everything, you know.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: One thing I've been blessed with is being able to
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: know you and know Nick. And I feel like I'm
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: there for training sessions, so I'm hearing the advice, I'm
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: hearing the thoughts, I'm hearing the explanations, and it's dialed
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: my training in itself so much more.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: And then but then you watch you get to watch
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: him apply it to himself. So now it's just not
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: talk exactly, it's action.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing that I think people need to
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: learn how to do for themselves to a certain degree
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: because they really don't do that that much anymore.
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: Nope, they got to figure out this said, They got
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: to know what feels correct and then go from there.
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: So it's like, Okay, you got to learn the right technique,
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: and you have to learn how much value I can take,
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: how heavy I can go, blah blah blah. And if
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: you don't learn that yourself, you may be doing a
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: routine that doesn't fit you as perfect. Like there's guys
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: that did different routines than me that still became world
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: champions and set world records. They might not have worked
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: as good on my routine.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Right, And that's the thing. There is no one perfect.
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: No, as long as as long as you stress the
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: body enough and work I should say work in the
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: right manner to get the results you want. The results happen.
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: When you just blindly go at it, you will be blind. Yeah,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: nothing will ever freaking happen. As long as you're putting
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: enough effort into it and picking the right numbers, you
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: get better. Now, how you're gonna do that, Let's figure
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: it out. If you're a trainer, Okay, let me figure
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: it out. My one buddy, Jared Martin, that I helped
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: for a long long time before I kicked him out
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: of the nest and let him see if he could
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: fly by himself. He was just at the World Games
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: in the IPF and he went super heavyweight. Probably weighed
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: about two ninety at the most. He's a bulked up
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: super heavyweight and he squatted oney twenty five like it
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: was water, like it was nothing. Yeah, and that's at
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: the World Games. He took second as a heavyweight. And
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: they go by formula. So in the off season I
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: take the leash off and he does a ton of
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: more volume. He figures it out himself. He loves a
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: lot more volume in the off season, and then when
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: it he has to dial it back to get ready
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: for a meet, he might call me and say, what
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: do I do now this hurts or that this doesn't
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: feel right. Okay, now this is what you gotta do,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: And then we go back to a little bit more
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: my style, which helps him peak better. I mean, the
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: only thing I would say about my routine that I
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: could have changed was I probably could have peaked a
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: little bit better sometimes. But I enjoyed the gym so
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: much that my trophy in the gym for patting myself
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: on the back for doing a good job was worth
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: worth more than a metal around my neck. There you go,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: because I got into it for me. I didn't you know,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: I never lifted for anybody else but me, because I,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: like I said, my tail was wagging from the start
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: to finish, from the day I started to the day
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: I finished. When I knew I couldn't be the old
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: me again, that's when it wouldn't be fun anymore. Oh yeah,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: let's just go to these meets and pick up some
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: IV trophies even though you're not gonna lift what you
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: what you used to be able to? No, yeah, no, no,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: it's not me. Wouldn't be me. So now I just
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: stay a little bit stronger. I train put enough effort
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: into it to look stronger than I what I really am,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: so I can lie.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but you're still that guy.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he's still inside. Oh he's still inside.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Boy. You see him crawl out every once in a while.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: You're like, yeah, once in a while, once in a while,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: but oh.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: My gosh, I just I just love the time that
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: I get to spend with you.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: And yeah, it's always good. I mean, I can I
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: can watch you guys train. When I went over to
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: your house the first time a few couple of years
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: ago in Vegas, and all of a sudden, Brian shows up,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: Thor's there, Mitchell Hooper's there, and it's a fucking deadlife party.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: It was like, Wow, this is cool, this is really cool.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: Then I get to watch you guys in action, which
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: is cool for me because that's not my sport. The
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: only thing I had to worry about that time, Ben
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: was getting stepped on in the garage.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: When you start getting around giants, it's the only time
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: I feel normal size.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: Oh man, that was a pretty cool day. If I
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: could have fell inside what of Thor's footprints in the
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: grass and had to crawl to get out, I'll tell you.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: I mean there's so many like really, I feel so
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: very blessed with some of the people I get to
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: call friends.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. See yo. Years and
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: years ago, when I did some stuff for Mark Bell,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: we talked about that and I said, no, it's not
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: the trophies and all that ship. Look at the relationships
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: I have out of powerlifting. I mean, look what Look
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: what I Look what I get to do. Look who
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: I get to travel to. Looking I've got friends all
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: over the world. I was just in I was just
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: in Argentina. Well how is Argentina? Well, let me see.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: They they they pay for me to get there, They
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: put me up, they paper all my food, They give
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: me money to do some seminars to teach them, which
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: I would love to do anyways, and then I get
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: to hang out at a powerlifting meet. Oh wow, that's
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: really tough.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: It's a hard life. It's a hard life, but you
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: got to do it.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: I told Dave Tate once, I said, you know, what
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: if and I told them that exact same thing, and
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: then I said, you know, if you want to ease
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: your life, it's really simple. Just don't be a dick.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: It's simple. Just don't be a dick. My life is
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: easier when I'm nicer to people. If I don't like you,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: I just won't talk to you. You're that you mean
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: nothing to me? What was that?
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: Uh? Denzel Washington and that one of those movies where
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: he says that the Russian guy says, you're like nothing
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: to me, like gum on the bottom of my shoe,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: you know, a bottle cap. You're nothing to me.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: So I just exclude those people out of my life
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: because they're not going to bring anything to it that's positive.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: Let let let's I'm not going to allow their misery
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: to creep into my.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: Life, exactly exactly.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing too, That's the one thing I
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: love when we get all three of us get to
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: hang out at these shows or at these events because you're,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: you know, everybody, everybody knows Nick and pretty cool, and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: every what we get to talk to is always nice.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, people that don't know Nick or don't
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: know me will know Nick and then when they look down,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: then they see me, and then Nick introduces them to me. Think,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: oh you're already Cohen.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean there's a reason why you called
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: the goat.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: It's just well, it's a small world. I think. You
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: know what, besides the weight you lift, it's uh, it's
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: it's the impact you had on the sport at the time.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: And I don't think anyone can beat that part that
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: I got. I mean there may be, I mean, with
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: with the stiff bar I used into our weigh ins
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: and some of that stuff, there's no one that can
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: beat my numbers for what I did then with the
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: new equipment, different way in times. Yeah, but uh, let
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: them have their fucking glory too. That doesn't mean John
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: Hack is a freaking stud. He's a fucking stud. So
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: how can how can someone thinks that I should say
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: something negative about John Hack? No, No, you can't, or
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: or a lot of these, a lot of these other guys.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: Look at some of these i p F lifters. You know, heyesus,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: there's a there's a there's another. It's a a blacklifter
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: at two seventy five who like deadlifts into the nines
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: drug free, And it's like this guy was born to
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: deadlift like that. He'll denlift. He'll be downlift a thousand
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: completely drug free in the IPF with a stiff bar.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: That's gonna be ain't.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: No one's gonna take anything away from him if someone
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: if someone said, wow, he's a better deadlifter than you,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: I'd say, yeah, yeah, good job, dude.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what the pleasan.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Influence that you've had with so many people in so
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: many careers and always being willing to jump in and
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: help and code you just give words of advice and
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, and it's well.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: Nick, you do have a lot of the same qualities.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: Is if you love it? Yeah, and you're not a dick.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: It's not hard to do, true. It's just like training.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: If I get to help someone, I I fucking love it.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: Not it's it's it's it's it's not hard. That's that's
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: that's how you that's that's how you live forever. Your
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 5: reputation won't die. So you know, someone, what what bad
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: could they say about me? If if you have a
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: problem with me after all these years, I think you
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: have a problem because if you needed something, I'd help you,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: you know, So then you got a problem. Okay, live
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: in your own misery.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: People have a tendency of doing that.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I feel sorry for him, but that's them,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: not me.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I wanted to shift a little bit. Uh.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: You know, Thor is uh going to be deadlifting in
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: Las Vegas here soon.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: And that enhanced games? What's the data on that?
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: Let me see if I can pull it up, because I.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: Was is it is?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 8: It?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: Is it in May?
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: I think it is in earlier.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Because he's supposed to be going the world's trongest man
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: this year. From what I'm hearing too.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's see that's in May.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: So it says Timber or it says Las Vegas. I'm
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: trying to see if I can find out where or
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: how when a time. Sometimes these websites don't give you
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: exact information. But you know he's gonna break the world
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: record again.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the Enhanced Games.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: Four.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be Okay, we're a resort world.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: Okay, let me look at it. Let me look into
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: tickets because I go be back by then.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: I know where you can stay.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: In the suite. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna come with
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: a a wooden sign for the door to bolt in.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: This says the Ed Cohen.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: Sweet, I will put that up. That'll be awesome.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that'll be great, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: And like I said, and talk about another huge deadlifter,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: and with Thorgan about to break it, it's like, what
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: what's the number he's gonna push, because you know he's
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: already what broken it twice?
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: What what's the record now? Eleven? What fourteen or something?
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: Oh that's a that's twenty two. Yeah, that's that's Oh well,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: he'll he'll break it by at least five kilos.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're thinking this was the last time.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: He'll he'll know on the second attempt what he's capable of. Yeah,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: and that's a that's a long pull.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a lot like that's like three.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 5: That's like three of my polls.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: But it smooth every time he's pulled it.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah. You know what, here, here's what I always say
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: when they say, well, this strong man or whatever did this.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: I go, yeah, supposed to. They're a monster. Monsters. Monsters
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: lift big ship. It's impressive, but I expect them to
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: lift big cool ship that I can't.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: Real talk right there, real talk.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what, We're all good at something I
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: can't do. I can't do strong man stuff like Nick did.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: But man, I can't change the oil on my car.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: I don't know how to do all the media and
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: all the camera shit that you do better. We're all
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: good at something. It doesn't matter, you know.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: That's it. Yeah, I'll just tell you.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: I'm definitely waiting to see that pool. You know what
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: I'm saying because, like I said that, the record being
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: broken again and also to being on another big world stage.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because they've really been pushing
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: these is these enhance games.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: For a long time. They were on Joe Rogan. They're
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: doing all this talk. Everyone's supposed to make it.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: Well, don't they have? Like Peter Thiel, a billionaire and
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: a couple other big money guys back and that ship exactly.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Some of the time it was.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 5: It was like in the old days when I went
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 5: to a White Sox game against the Oakland A's when
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 5: the Bash brothers Hogecon Jose Canseco, I almost said hogase
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: Canseco and and Mark McGuire followed each other in the order,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: and Jose and Seko comes up. He hits a line
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: drive out of the park that never ever went down
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: at all. It stayed the same speed, the same height
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: the whole time. And McGuire came up one and hit
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: one that is still in orbit now that I never
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: saw came down, I'll tell you. And those guys you know,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: might have been taking a little uh something at the time,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: you know, And it was fucking cool as shit. No
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: one cares, now what. Here's here's one. One of the
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: guys from sixty Minutes came to quadj Gym on the
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: North Side one time when I was up there. Yeah,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: And he asked the owner, was there any traders that
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 5: would go on tape to talk about the controversy with
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: all the drug testing in Major League Baseball? I said
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: I will, So he interviewed me, and then he started
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: saying all the stuff about Royd's and this and that.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: I said, let me ask you a question. Is it
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: banned in baseball? He goes, what do you mean? I go,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: it's not banned in baseball yet, So why is there
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: a controversy that never made it on their.
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  Speaker 2: Probably?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you could have been on sixty minutes.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well I'll never make it on there. For something good,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: And one thing I love talking with you about is
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: you have the most adventures that I've you know, say,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: powerlifting has tooken you through so many crazy events in
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: your life.
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  Speaker 3: And I always loved hearing all those stories.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, here's one. Then I was in Russia when it
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: was still USSR. I competed in the very first powerlifting
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: meet ever held in Russia. It was in actually it
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: was called Leningrad at the time, not Saint Petersburg. It
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 5: was still Leonigrad and it was it was in like
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: a three thousand seed auditorium that sold out in forty minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 5: They had Olympic lifting bars and bumper plates to lift on.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: I remember I squatted a sixty five and on the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: way down when the it starts fucking kicking and stuff
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: like that, I could just think about Eddie Murphy and
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: raw when he talks about falling down the stairs and
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: he's like, oh Lord, God, tell me I made so
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: many deals with God that I should be a priest
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  Speaker 5: right now.
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  Speaker 2: When Buddy's falling down the stairs. That's all, oh my god, yeah,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: oh my god.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, it was a it was a cool experience.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: I still have some some hats I got from there
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: at the time because it was still the ruble and
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: our money was worth so much. And I've got like
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: a kobib hat. Yeah that's pure silver, fox handmade and
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: that you gotta you gotta think that's uh about that's
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: like about forty years ago. So just imagine what that
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: hat's worth.
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  Speaker 3: Real God damn.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And like I said, it's it's the crazy.
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  Speaker 1: We were just having this conversation for you coun out
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: it's like you every time you tell these we hear
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: so many stories and it's like a new one pops
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: up every single time.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't I don't have to make up any lives.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: They're all cool, you know. Like I said, I was
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 5: just in Argentina. A lot of us have traveled to Nick.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: You traveled with the boys doing cool ship on A
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: and E. I in the summer, I was in I
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: was in Paris first, and then a month later, I
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: was in Norway. And and we're I'm with Nick and Norway,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: which you're gonna go to this.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Year, right, me and Christian Akama, we're trying to get
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: all our stuff situated so we can come down awesome.
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  Speaker 5: And and that's in the mountains in fucking Norway, and
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 5: all the strong man and highland game stuff is on
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 5: the mountain itself on right, and on the grounds of
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: the hotel. It's incredible. Ben. You like to eat, so
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: you're gonna gain. They call it the Fay four fifteen.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: I'll put it.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 5: When when I was when I was in Paris, I
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: get to train some royals from one of your you know, uh, Katara,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 5: let's just say. And and I'm very fortunate to be
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 5: able to do that, and you get to you know what,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: you get to travel, you get to meet people and
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: they they'll blow your blow your old thoughts out of
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: the water on what preconceived things we think of because
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: we watch too much news and social media here, I've
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: never been around some of the nice there's some of
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: the nicest people I ever met. Like they they could
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: be like in the gym and you wouldn't even know
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: who they were. Well, don't brag. Everything they do is
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: for their family and for their country. So yeah, I don't.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: I don't have a I don't have a problem with anyone.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: I get to meet cool people, do cool ship and
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: uh and love every second of itfting. Yeah. Yeah, Well
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: it's not just powerlifting, it's who you are. Like I said,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: as long as you're not a dick and you're really
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 5: good at what you do and know how to explain
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 5: it in a very very easy way, it's easy.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's easiest takeaway from here.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: And that's that's a pretty good skill too, because a
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: lot of people want to talk in a way that
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: makes people, you know, people want to think. They want
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: to explain it a way that makes them feel smart.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: And it's like you know, it's the more basically you
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: can explain something that's complicated, the more people are going
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: to understand. And that's again that's all. There's genius and
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: simplicity exactly. It's not dumbing it down.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: If I have to understand it in my head in
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: a way that makes sense, and I know if I
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: can do that, I can portray that to you. Now,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: how I will coach you will I'm not going to
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: get up in your face and say motherfucker and all
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: this other shit that's going to turn you off. But
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: if I'm positive and I raise my voice slightly and
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: give you positive affirmations the whole time, you walk out
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: there feeling positive. Yeah, I know I can do I
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: know I can do this because my coach said I could,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: So I don't doubt that for one minute. Because you
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: put trust in your coach and how he is and
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: what he says, I would trust you the same way.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: It's it's the same thing, and most of most your
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 5: good guys do have that that talent to be able
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: to do it. Like you know, if if if I
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: was if I was lifting a heavy squat or going
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: for a heavy deadlift at my best and you. Brian
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: Shaw and Eddie Hall were there and you because this
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: is what you report, you could do this. I could
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: run through a brick wall. Oh yeah, yeah, because you
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: feel it. Oh. By the way, who did Eddie Hall
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: say was pound for pound the strongest man ever?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: You know a little exactly.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: I've got to say I got a little chubby from that.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: I was going to bring that up, but you beat
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: me to it. I was gonna bring that up.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah. That was pretty That was pretty cool. That was
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty cool. I was like Eddie,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: I couldn't agree.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: With you more exactly.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was me.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: That was meat and I'll agree with that. I will
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: absolutely well.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: You know, if you say this in powerlifting, I will say, yeah,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: but there's one oh five strong man stuff that I
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: couldn't do. There's one one oh five Olympic lifting stuff
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: I couldn't do, so and what I did. Yeah, but
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty realistic on it too. Is like like I said,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: I can't do what you did, Nick, or what Ben
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: does or any of that shit. So I'm happy being
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: doing I knew what I was good at and there
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: was no reason to try to be the best at
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: something I know I couldn't be the best at. My
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: brain isn't wired not to try to fully go after it. Right.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: I can't quit anything. There's things I don't start because
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: I can't quit. I know I'm fucking good. I just
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: won't quit.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't think I should be doing that
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: because if I get into that.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: Oh that's that's totally my mom. My mom was fucking
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: five five foot of fucking tear Irish terror and once
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: we signed up for something, if we were on a team, basketball, football, baseball,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: we were not allowed to quit, no matter what. Oh no,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: yeah that was my mom.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: No, that's awesome. It's kind of neat having that mentality though, too.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: It's like, you're going to do this and you're going
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: to put everything you are into it.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, you've got to. I think Mark Mark Bell
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: actually said it, and he said, you you have to
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: know who you are and you have to know who
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: you aren't yet. Yeah, I know what I'm good at.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: I know I'm a procrastinator like a motherfucker. So when
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: I say, well, I'll tell Haga, you know, Haga make
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: sure I do this. Yeah, Jesus will not let me
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: forget it.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: Right, which which is kind of neat because I need Yeah, it's.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: It's I need to balance.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It's having having people and good people around
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: you that know your strengths, know your weakness is that
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: will help you through the weaknesses without beating you up
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: for him, Yeah, because they're on your side, exactly. That's
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: kind of like an amazing thing to have in your life.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: So that's really cool. Sure, amazing.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: She really is.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: Well, you guys, look at look at you guys. Look
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: at what you guys go through and what you do
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: and what you trust him with, what he trusts you with,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: same thing.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: You never have to worry.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: That's it. Nope, that's it.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 5: I was in Michigan for the day. For me, it's well,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: usually only an hour and a half drive, but it
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: was a lot longer because it was a white out
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: completely going through Indiana espresly I was. I was going
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: between thirty and forty miles an hour for miles and
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: miles and miles, and you could feel the wind blowing
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: your your car a little bit. It's it's not a
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: comforting thing. But at our meeting, it's like, okay, hey, guys,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: this is what I need to be done because if
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: you don't have full transparency, what happens is someone like
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: me will start thinking there's something the fairy is going
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: on and then I don't like it. Bring it up,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: nip it in the ass. It's over with.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: It's it.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: Same with everything you do in life. It's training imitates
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: a lot of a lot of things.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: Definitely does it, Definitely does well.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: And you know, I know it's late for you where
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: you're at because we're a little bit.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: That's only ten twenty three. I got an hour and
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: a half. I gotta watch some Netflix and chill and
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: have a chocolate chip muffin before pats it.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: You know what, I my breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: only eat carves for breakfast and I eat eggs, chicken
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: and meat and maybe a little vegetables. And then at
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: night I save it all to have a muffin and
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: a protein shape. I'm good with it.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: You're not the only one who does stuff like that.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: You have to have balance again. It's it's like your
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: it's it's like your deadlift technique.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: Nick.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: Find what works for you. It worked for me. Here's
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: here's my idea before we go. When I was younger,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 5: and they used to say, what's your diet? Like I said,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: I make sure I get enough nutrients. And then since
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: your brain controls what happens in your body, I try
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: to make my brain really happy.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: That's pretty good. I like that.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 5: I like that very much. All right, Well, thank you
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: for taking. Oh you're welcome, guys. Hopefully at the end
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: of May, hag and I can get there. I'll start
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: looking online for for really nice tickets ahead of time.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 5: I know. I got a lot of points on Southwest too.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll have your room ready's room.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sleeping the same bed as Ben.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: Actually I'll get another. I'll get another bed in here.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: Oh, any kind of any kind, I don't care what,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: I don't care. If it's a blow up one, I'll.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: Put it in the extra room.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: So a blow up one, not your doll.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: But no, Jenny is not a doll.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 5: She's but she is.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: She is a doll. Oh my god, what a blessing
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: Texas everything. Yeah, she all. She definitely, she definitely brings
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: me peace.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: Oh and then in June I have to come back
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: out there. Anyways, there we go for the wedding.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right to make you.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: I knew him when I knew his son, when he
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 5: was this big.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They got in a chalk fight when he was
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: like two.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: It was so much fun. And that's that. That's how,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: that's how I got him away from being shy and
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 5: brought him into I had to I had to act
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: like I was, you know, two years old. I really
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: didn't have to change much. Were guys.
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  Speaker 2: It was kind of one of the most special things
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: I got to see. It was pretty darn Yeah, it
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: was fun.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: It was fun, all right, guys, Okay, all right, well,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 5: good night later yea boys, good.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: Night, ed, thank you, jo Joe, all right, and ladies
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: and gentlemen. That was the immortal Ed Cohen the goat.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: The goat, I mean, been a dear friend of mine
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: since the nineteen nineties. And he's one of the few
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: people that I can still look up to today. There's
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: not a whole lot of people that I looked up
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: to when I was younger that I can still look
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: up to and respect today. And he's he's he's that
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: type of guy, he really is. He will help anyone
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: if you're nice and you're a good person. He will
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: help you all day long and it's it's really neat
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: and special that he would come on and do this
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: for me. So thank you and as always you know,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: I hope you took something, some good stuff out of
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: this and as always, trained harder, train smart, and be
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: the best you can be. And Ben, thank you so
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: much for what you do.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: Love you man.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: Until next time, guys, have a great night and be good.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed it.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: Your give the best experience, what you think best.