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Victory over cancer! #9 Dr. Kelly Victory · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:24
  Cancer is one of to me the dirtiest words in the English language.
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  Probably even more serious than four letter words, I think.
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  And when it comes into your life and you hear that word, it's uh it's a game changer.
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  I've seen, listen, I've seen family members, I've seen friends go through uh life changing moments.
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  Uh and and I think the other thing I want to say about cancer right up front here is we all know somebody who's gone through it.
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  We've known somebody who has been diagnosed, and we probably know somebody who may not have made the journey forward.
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  Uh and uh and I always wish, I tell you this all the time.
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  I always pray that as as as humanity, as a people, we would um uh get the upper hand on this.
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  It's it and it's the other one, you you know, I always talk to you about this cancer, and the other one is uh Alzheimer's and dementia, the the other things that um worry me because these are things I think as a people, we should be that much further ahead.
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  And I think if we start stopped bickering with each other, we probably would be further ahead.
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  But in any event, here welcome into the broadcast, my fellow Americans.
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  It is Malcolm Albloud here.
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  And we have Dr.
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  Kelly Victory in the house, and I'm very, very excited to have her here because she is the real deal.
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  Uh, there's no doubt we just chatted a little bit before coming on, and uh, I could not be more thrilled to have her here.
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  Let me just tell you quickly about her.
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  She's a board certified trauma and emergency specialist with over 30 years of clinical experience.
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  She served as CMO for whole health management, delivering on-site health care services to Fortune 500 companies, very, very cool.
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  She holds a BS from Duke University and her MD from the University of North Carolina.
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  Uh, and what's all also cool, and another tidbit about it is uh Dr.
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  Victory is chief of emergency and disaster medicine at the wellness company, and they are doing some extraordinary work.
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  I keep telling you in this space, and I look at it this way, Dr.
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  Kelly.
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  They are I find the wellness is one of the most innovative companies in this space that I've seen today.
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  And I've been saying this for some time on air.
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  That's how I describe them.
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  How about you?
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  Well, thanks very much for having me, Malcolm.
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  I agree with you.
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  I am honored and blessed to be part of the wellness company, uh, an organization, frankly, that was founded out of the COVID debacle.
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  It was the result of a group of us understanding that medicine and health care has taken a very, very dark and dangerous turn.
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  And fortunately, rather than just scriping about it and uh, you know, retiring early or whatever else one might do, we had the good fortune to band together and say there's a better way to do this, and we can.
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  Uh, and I feel, as I said, very, very fortunate to have been brought on board to join uh people like uh Dr.
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  Peter McCullough and Harvey Reish, uh, as well as our founders, Foster Colson and Peter Kaluli to do this, because I think that the value we are providing for people, the services, the products, the approach, the commitment, the mission to the American people to health care and to medical autonomy, medical freedom, uh, I think is unsurpassed.
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  It is a class group of people that you just described, and that's what comes to my mind is class and dignity, uh, authenticity, these things cannot be uh made up.
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  You either have those or you don't.
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  And in this medium here, people can tell that a million miles away if you're full of it or if uh you're the real deal.
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  So, anyways, uh that is a great way to start here.
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  I want to jump now into your story because uh this is what I am most fascinated with.
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  And and we'll talk a little bit more about some of the personal things that I've seen myself when it comes to cancer, and uh, you know, it's uh it's a life changing uh it's a life-changing element to your life when you hear that word uh to whatever degree it is.
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  And and the other thing I will say, Dr.
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  Victory, is when it comes to the quick go to when they want to go to radiation and chemo, and and we'll talk more about that after here, but it I don't always find that's the answer.
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  I feel it ravages the body, it it takes you on a horrific journey.
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  I've seen friends go through some where they got sicker from that than they did the actual disease, and it did some harm.
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  So that's another point to this.
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  And so I always feel like we need something else.
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  And but let's first, before we get into other elements of this, because we get lost easy in this conversation.
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  I want to bring it to you and tell us uh what the journey is like for you, how it entered your life, uh, what the emotions were like, uh, and uh what those first thoughts that come to your mind, please.
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  Absolutely.
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  Well, as you said, Malcolm, cancer is a complex subject, uh both in its etiology, the causes, and the way that we think about the risks and certainly how we treat it.
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  But I can tell you one thing with absolute certainty.
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  When you hear that word when it's applied to you as a patient, it is life-changing.
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  Uh, yes, I'm a physician, I've been a physician for 35 uh years, but when I found out that I had cancer, which was uh the result of a screening mammogram, uh prior to that, I would have considered myself, I still do consider myself to be extraordinarily healthy.
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  Uh I've always eaten an impeccable diet.
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  Uh, I am a workout fiend.
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  I live in the gym.
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  I work out seven days a week, was a distance runner.
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  I've never smoked, I drink in moderation.
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  Um, and on and on.
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  So I went in for my routine screening mammogram, and lo and behold, they said, Oh, there's something um that looks a little odd there.
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  Let's um let's watch that and repeat the mammogram in six months.
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  And I said, how about let's not?
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  How about let's stick a needle in it today?
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  Um, I am not a wait and see kind of girl.
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  And I'll tell you, I think it was God in my ear.
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  Um, because as much as I didn't want to hear it, I something about it said, put a needle in that, Kelly, and find out what that odd thing they're seeing is.
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  And it came back very quickly.
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  It was less than 48 hours when I found out that I not only had breast cancer, but a very aggressive uh form of breast cancer.
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  Now, let me let me stop you there a moment here.
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  So, what had happened if you did not push the envelope on that point?
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  What do you think would have happened?
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  Well, I can tell you right now, there is no such good thing as waiting uh and seeing when it comes to cancer, uh, particularly the aggressive form of cancer that I had uh in terms of the how the rapidity with which the thing replicated and would have spread.
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  So I would be guessing, but I would have to really say it's reasonable to think that it would have not only grown in size, but likely would have spread.
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  Right, right.
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  Now you had the wherewithal to bring that up and say, no, put a need in Linda right now.
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  And I have to tell you, we have a very similar personality, I think, because that would be my approach right there, Doctor.
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  That's what I would say.
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  No, I want to know now.
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  We sort of want to control that outcome, don't we?
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  You know, right?
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  Well, yeah, I and I think honestly, I I wish that people would feel empowered in medicine and health care to apply the same common sense that they would in their everyday lives.
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  If you came down in the morning and saw smoke coming from your toaster, you wouldn't have said, Well, that's odd.
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  I'll check back on that in a couple hours.
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  You would you okay?
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  You would you would say, whoa, like maybe it's nothing, but that's a great point.
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  That's a great way to put it.
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  But but unfortunately, people feel, and I understand it's been there's this mysticism about health care and physicians and the system has been on a pedestal for so long that frequently people don't feel empowered to push back even the littlest bit, even to say, well, Doctor, okay, we could wait and see, but why wouldn't we do a biopsy today?
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  Or why would we wait six months and actually even push back a little?
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  So you think they're scared?
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  Do you think that's why they do it?
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  Are people scared?
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  Because I'm thinking for a moment here, let me just uh say, I'm thinking of my wife and this as we're having this conversation, because she would not have been a she would have taken, which is a great way to put it, actually, when you talk about the smoke coming from the toaster, man.
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  That my eyes open up with that for real, because that tells you there's a problem there.
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  Right and you don't wait on something like that.
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  Well, why is it?
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  And and I'm uh I'm not picking on my wife, but you she knows what I'm talking about.
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  She would take the other way and say, no, it'll be fine, I'll just wait.
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  And what you have to be aggressive.
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  Why is it we're willing to accept the um the smoke coming from our body, but we're not willing to accept it coming from the toaster.
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  What's that mindset about?
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  Because well, I was a psychologist before I was a physician and surgeon.
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  So I can tell you um part of it is you know that you know, colloquially, that head in the sand is out of fear.
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  Uh, people don't want to know, they don't want to know necessarily um that they have cancer or another disease or that something's going sideways, they'd prefer, you know, ignorance is bliss.
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  And all I can do is say that that that isn't the case when it comes to your own health care.
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  You have to be your own advocate.
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  And in today's world, where there's so much concern about cost containment, for example, and I'm not saying that's why the the radiologist suggested that I wish.
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  I think he truly believed that was a reasonable course.
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  But you have to be your own advocate and at least be willing to push back, ask those tough questions, even if it means sooner than later, you're going to hear the big C word or whatever it is, you're going to hear that that scary word.
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  And in my case, it was cancer.
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  So, you know, with the way we just uh laid this out right now, and for folks who are watching and listening to the broadcast here on Project Out Loud, I want to tell you something here.
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  If we really take this for what it is, we could have just saved lots of lives.
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  If you would take what what Dr.
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  Victory just put out there for real, and including my own wife, if she would take that literally and understand the importance of that, see, because I believe our health is a gift, it's a blessing, and we have to treat it as such.
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  And I, and as I was telling you earlier, I think a healthy there's no compromising Dr.
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  Victory for a healthy immune system.
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  There's none.
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  That is the gift that we all need to strive for.
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  Because at the end of the day, we don't have our health, we have nothing.
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  We have nothing.
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  I mean, there's no other point to life at that point if we don't have our health because we're on borrowed time, uh, versus, you know, that we can have a quality life.
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  So I sort of like you, I walk every day, I walk five miles every day.
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  I'm very much about my immune system.
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  I watch, I eat very I've never smoked and I've never taken drugs or never smoked anything.
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  I also drink moderation.
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  I'm same thing, same ticket as you are, same same profile, but I'm in the male version of that.
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  Right.
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  And and that's how kind of how I live my life and the way you are.
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  And yet, but hold on now.
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  Here's what I want to ask you.
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  So, even though you were doing the right things, and a lot of people feel they are, I feel I am.
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  There are no guarantees with cancer, is it?
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  I mean, you know, you had no guarantees that that C word wasn't going to come up at some point.
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  So we kind of don't have control on this, do we?
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  You don't have control of all of it for sure.
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  And 100% you are spot on with regard to your immune health.
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  That is the common denominator for so many things, and certainly with cancer.
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  Um, number one, when it comes to breast cancer, one in eight women will develop breast cancer in their lifetimes.
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  That's just a fact, as overwhelming as it is.
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  For me, my single biggest risk factor that I was not controlling and still struggle to control is stress.
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  Um I have a very stressful job, I have a very stressful, you know, career.
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  I have, you know, I take things very, you know, I internalize things.
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  So stress is a huge strain on your immune system.
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  Okay.
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  So even though all the good things I was doing, the stress by itself is an immune killer.
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  And so if I had to put my finger on one thing that put me at higher risk, it undoubtedly would have been that.
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  So you're saying, hold on, I did not, I did not capsulate, I did not really understand.
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  I mean, I know stress is the worst thing for us.
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  I get that.
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  And damn it, how do you beat the ass out of stress?
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  I mean, I have the same problem.
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  Uh, that you know, you're trying, and and there are days like for me, I don't know how you feel, there are days for me like I like I tell my, you know, I'm on top of it, and I say to myself, I'm not gonna let that stuff bother me, or I keep positive things in my life and I keep positive energy around me.
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  And I kind of talk a lot about that, actually, that you don't want to be dealing with I even tell my kids that uh uh the college age now, but you know, don't keep negative energy in your life, right?
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  Make pa you want to surround yourself with positive energy.
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  It's a mindset, and it empowers you then to be able to do other things in many, many good ways.
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  So, but are you saying to me?
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  And I I never connected that, but I I just did for the first time in my life.
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  You're saying to me, I think that okay.
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  So if you're taking on stress all the time and has a factor in your body, and it does, and it's a packing your immune system in some way, and it does, and that it could potentially bring on some kind of cancer.
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  I mean, it it it kind of it is that right?
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  I never thought of that.
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  Oh, there's no question now because it suppresses your immune system.
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  And for me, just so you get into the actual weeds for me, uh, you know, as everybody knows, COVID started, it really hit in January of 2020.
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  Uh, and I was very much front and center.
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  I was one of the very first people uh ever kicked off of social media, uh, Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook.
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  That's a badge of honor today, by the way.
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  Exactly.
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  Yeah, I wear it like a corsage, but it was um it was for saying things like this was a lab created virus that came from Wuhan and on and on.
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  I know we don't want to talk about COVID, but that was happening within three weeks of that, the third week of January, and I, as I said, I was a very, very serious long distance runner.
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  Um, I ruptured my Achilles, uh devastating injury.
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  So COVID's just starting.
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  I'm right in the hot seat, front and center on social media.
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  I'm having my medical license threatened seven different times I had to go in front of the medical board.
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  I'm now incapacitated, cannot do the one thing that allows me to mitigate stress on a daily basis, which is running.
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  I'm we're all isolated, so I have all the stress that everybody else has.
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  We can't, you know, go.
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  I'm in the hospital now with a major surgery, nobody can come see me.
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  I'm alone, have to be there alone in the hospital, go through the whole thing, can't go to physical therapy because those are all shut down.
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  So the combination of all of this over a period, I have no question that my immune system, despite the fact that I was eating my body weight and arugula and fresh vegetables and trying to do everything else right, my immune system was getting crushed at the time by that combination of things and living in the truly, you know, suffering the slings and arrows is an understatement for those of us like Peter McCullough and myself who are on the front lines during COVID and taking it from every different direction, and then having that physical injury that literally sidelined me that put me in a chair with my leg up and ice packs and pain medication.
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  It was a toxic soup for me.
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  Wow.
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  When you say one in eight women will contract breast cancer, and I was wondering what that number was before the program is.
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  I wasn't really sure, because there are different stats out there, and you really don't know if they're accurate or not, you know.
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  Um, what is the do you know the number of in that one and eight?
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  What is the number of women who don't make it through who do die from breast cancer?
• 16:37
  It's it's a way, way smaller number because this is all comers and all breast cancers are not created equal.
• 16:44
  Uh, many of them are uh can be quite benign, treated with radiation or simple surgery, and it's one and done, and you need nothing else.
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  The number, however, who go on to need as I did, I had surgery and um did 25 rounds of radiation.
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  Um, so that already puts me in a subset because of the aggressiveness of my cancer.
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  Uh, and then I chose not to, I declined the recommendation to do chemotherapy, and we can talk about why.
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  But I want to get back to something you said at the very beginning about when you first get that diagnosis, Malcolm.
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  And I can tell you, having been there, no matter, and as a physician as prepared and as yeah, informed as I am, your world kind of caves in.
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  There's a moment where you feel like you're in a free fall, and at the same time there are people around you, the system urging you to make decisions on treatment in immediately without having adequate information.
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  So the first thing I would say to anyone who's watching this, if you were a loved one, hears that those dreaded words that this is the biopsy was positive or this is cancer, take a deep breath, step back.
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  You have some time to engage trusted experts, trusted friends, people who have been through this.
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  You know, I'm not saying you've got months necessarily to do that, but you sure as heck have days and weeks to make some decisions before you should ever be forced into making a decision on treatment options.
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  And I'm glad, you know, I made a decision that very day that I got the biopsy back.
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  I called a surgeon friend of mine.
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  I said, What are you doing on Thursday?
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  I need to have I need uh, you know, to get this out.
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  Uh, and I did, and I had surgery four days later.
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  I uh and then went on with radiation.
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  But the decision, for example, whether or not to go to chemotherapy is one that I spent quite some time considering, uh, despite pressure from the system, pressure from the oncologist, pressure from people saying you need to do this.
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  This is the protocol.
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  And I pushed back again and said, I don't, I don't necessarily like your protocol.
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  I'm not sure that your protocol is what's right for me.
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  And that's what you know, I I love what we are doing at the wellness company because medical freedom, medical autonomy, personal autonomy is one of the four pillars of medical ethics, Malcolm.
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  And if we don't respect really personal medical autonomy, then there is no ethics any longer in medicine.
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  Yeah, and informed consent was was a big deal, wasn't it?
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  Through all of that.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, it was a real problem through the COVID years.
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  I mean, people had no idea.
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  It was sort of a bait and uh bait and switch, I guess, that was going on in many ways.
• 19:36
  Um, so the uh the way you describe when you hear the word, uh, like your reference to step back, take a moment, because I think you're right, and to really consider what the plan is.
• 19:51
  Let me ask you about I we have a lot of natural health experts on the network here that are very good in that space, and we
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  I've seen the convergence in some ways of uh natural health and allopathic in some ways.
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  There, there is a there is a um space for that.
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  There is a field for that.
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  You know what I'm saying?
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  People who do cross over and understand.
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  In fact, Dr.
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  McCullough is one of those people, uh, my dear friend uh McCullough because he um he has great uh admiration for for this space and uh is always has an open mind.
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  I think that's what's important in today's world is to have an open mind.
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  What about an open mind with this with this uh these cancers when they come up?
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  There's a lot of natural remedies and things people try.
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  I hear stories sometimes, they uh some success stories.
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  I see others who tried things, it didn't succeed.
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  They refuse to have the the um the the the radiation, you know, that path, the the allopathic path, uh that basic path that they typically the system puts you in.
• 20:56
  And I and I wonder myself, Dr.
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  Victor, because I question myself as well.
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  I I had a friend just recently who um had a very rare form of leukemia, uh that and I've shared this with listeners and viewers, so they've they've heard this a little bit, but take just a quick moment.
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  But I I want you to understand, I I she got this, and uh they did a very it was very aggressive chemo radiation treatment, very aggressive.
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  And um, bottom line is uh it destroyed her body, her organs in her body.
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  And so it got to a point just a little bit later, she was on oxygen, she couldn't get off the oxygen anymore.
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  Her lungs were ravaged from the whole ordeal, and they said to the husband, uh, my my dear friend has said to him, uh, um, well, the it looks like we can't see the cancer anymore.
• 21:44
  Well, yeah, we can't see the cancer anymore because you just killed her freaking lungs.
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  She can't, she is her body parts are blowing up from the from the hit.
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  I don't know if that was just too too much too, I don't know enough about that genov is it's just too aggressive or too something.
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  I don't know.
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  But she died, she died from it all done.
• 22:02
  The reality, unfortunately, Malcolm, and and nobody tells you this is that uh the state of chemotherapy, really traditional chemotherapy, and by that I mean what we call cytotoxic chemotherapy, chemotherapy intended to kill cancer cells, which is different from uh some of these newer targeted immunotherapies.
• 22:20
  Okay, but classic chemotherapy is absolutely the crudest way to approach anything.
• 22:27
  It would be tantamount to my saying, you know, cancer is dangerous.
• 22:30
  So if you look up and you see a black widow spider on the wall, that is a dangerous thing.
• 22:35
  And if I take out a shotgun, I can kill that black widow spider on the wall.
• 22:40
  Uh in the meantime, I will leave a gaping hole in the drywall and perhaps damage to the structure behind it.
• 22:46
  Probably better to look to use a shoe, by the way.
• 22:48
  Yeah, well, and that's my point is that will a shotgun kill the spider?
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  Absolutely.
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  Will chemotherapy kill the cancer?
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  Well, yes, it will, and it will leave a smoldering crater where that cancer used to be.
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  It wipes out all everything else in the process.
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  Your immune system, your T cells, your B cells, you may well be left with permanent heart damage, neuropathy.
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  So you have a patient who you have quote, cured or or at least temporarily killed a cancer, you have left them now potentially a cardiac cripple, you know, with a weakened immune system, permanent neuropathy, they can't feel their hands and their feet.
• 23:27
  What quality of life?
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  What have you really given that person?
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  And unfortunately, that is the nature of chemotherapy.
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  So when I was in a position myself, and way before this, for decades, I've counseled patients in this way and said we always have to make sure that the cure isn't worse than the disease.
• 23:49
  We have to think about how we can approach this.
• 23:52
  And the brass ring for me, always before I was a patient was how can we get rid of this cancer, keep it from coming back without causing collateral damage?
• 24:05
  And what you're getting at now, these quote natural or alternative, and I don't even call them alternative.
• 24:10
  I call they should be mainstream approaches to cancer are how can we find repurpose things that will kill the cancer and at the same time actually enhance your immune function, make you healthier, make you more resilient, make you less likely to develop another cancer.
• 24:29
  And I think we now have a host of those things in the form of supplements and repurposed medications that this is not snake oil.
• 24:39
  This is these things, Malcolm, have been had decades.
• 24:42
  It turns out many of these things have decades of research behind them, but it's been suppressed by the mainstream because big pharma doesn't stand to make any money on.
• 24:52
  God bless you, God bless you for uh sharing the information and uh you know your description.
• 24:59
  I've never heard it put quite the way you just said you you have a great way of putting things, but when you talk about the black widow spider, and you're so right.
• 25:07
  And I've been, you know, that is a great way to put it.
• 25:10
  I'll I I'll know I will not forget that only because no, I I I've never had I've never had cancer, I've never had chemo radiation, but I've seen what people go through.
• 25:20
  Right.
• 25:20
  I've seen it around me, and I have to tell you I get if that comes up in my life somewhere, Dr.
• 25:26
  Victory.
• 25:26
  Um I'm I probably will call you first and talk to you about whatever.
• 25:30
  But I mean, I it's a warning.
• 25:32
  I mean, I'm not jumping into that chemo thing at all.
• 25:34
  It does not do anything for me.
• 25:36
  And and but you know, you you chose radiation.
• 25:39
  Um, and you felt comfortable with that.
• 25:42
  Yeah, please tell me, please.
• 25:43
  Yeah, and again, some of this I tried in some ways to take off my medical hat take and say, what makes common sense?
• 25:53
  So if you have something that's toxic, this in my case, as aggressive as the the tumor was from a microscopic level, it was very, very small.
• 26:04
  So I said, let's go in there first of all and get that out of there.
• 26:07
  There's nothing good that comes from leaving there.
• 26:09
  So surgery was a no-brainer to me.
• 26:11
  Go in and get it out.
• 26:13
  And fortunately, it had not spread to my lymph nodes.
• 26:16
  So that's great.
• 26:17
  So we get it out and it's in a bucket somewhere.
• 26:20
  The reason I felt compelled to do the radiation is that there's some, I think, clear evidence, and it makes sense that the biopsy that they the process of doing a biopsy itself can actually cause your tumor to your cancer to spread.
• 26:36
  Think about it.
• 26:37
  You have a tumor somewhere.
• 26:38
  I don't know if in my case it was in my breast, somebody else might be in their prostate.
• 26:42
  They gotta get a piece of it somehow.
• 26:44
  So in my case, they stick a needle in there and they get a piece of it and then they pull it back out.
• 26:49
  That whole track where they are pulling that needle back out.
• 26:53
  What makes you think they didn't leave a cell or two or three along the way?
• 26:58
  Yeah.
• 26:59
  So I'm thinking, like a scientist, I'm saying, you know, I how in the world could they have stuck a needle in there and not potentially spread a little bit of that, you know, like a like a weed in your garden.
• 27:13
  It takes one seed to sprout up again somewhere else.
• 27:17
  So I decided number one surgery is a no-brainer, and number two, we are gonna carpet bomb all the tissue in that area and make sure that any little seed that got left behind uh gets sent away to cancer heaven.
• 27:32
  So that's what we did.
• 27:33
  Yeah, is it cancer heaven or is it cancer hell?
• 27:36
  Cancer hell, I'm not sure.
• 27:39
  Probably is, right?
• 27:41
  But but but so I and I'm not trying to make light of this at all.
• 27:45
  I'm simply saying I I truly relied on more what I would have said and made sense in my head.
• 27:52
  I said, okay.
• 27:53
  Um, and given as bad as it was, 25 rounds of radiation is no walk in the park, but it doesn't do massive systemic damage um to your immune system and other things.
• 28:05
  So while I did the can did the surgery, recovered from that very quickly and went on to have the radiation.
• 28:11
  I was doubling down on all the things that I normally did for immune support, and in the process, also really researching, researching, researching and saying, what else can I be doing that will enhance my immune function?
• 28:26
  I want my immune system to be out there looking survey, doing what it was, you know, given to us to do, which is surveillance, do that surveillance.
• 28:36
  And you know, I I also really took the approach that I want to create in my body a hostile environment for cancer.
• 28:45
  I love it.
• 28:46
  I want to make my can't play my body a place that cancer does not want to be because it's I've got armies fighting it from every direction.
• 28:56
  Yeah, no, I get it.
• 28:57
  I totally totally get it.
• 28:58
  Uh I had my annual physical uh about uh month and a half ago or something like that, month and half two months ago.
• 29:05
  And uh I'm in, you know, before you get the results back, you know, not for nothing, but you know, you you you kind of for me at least, uh, because I take it pretty serious.
• 29:16
  I am on pins and needles a little bit because I want to see the numbers, you know, I want to see what it's at, and I want to make sure there are no telltale signs there that everything is healthy and that the red and white are uh are doing what they need to be doing, and that's yeah, you know, and so everything is good.
• 29:31
  And I remember it coming back uh very uh it was all it was all positive news, and uh, and uh so it was really, really good.
• 29:39
  I think I even shared it online with Dr.
• 29:41
  McCullough and I probably on pulse, but anyways, another story.
• 29:45
  And I remember um thinking uh, you know, you can't ever take that for granted.
• 29:49
  You can't take your immune system for granted.
• 29:51
  You can't take anything for granted.
• 29:52
  And that's part of what I some of I want to talk to you about a little bit here too.
• 29:56
  So I want to get into lifestyle a little bit.
• 29:58
  I want to talk about because you're
• 30:00
  There are things within society itself and lifestyle that sometimes make people more candidates for cancer, I'm going to suggest, probably than those who don't, than the way we try to live our lives.
• 30:12
  And I think we can help people out a little bit more by diving into that.
• 30:15
  And I'd like to learn a little more about it as well.
• 30:17
  Although I certainly have looked at this part of the program to uh to uh ward off cancer.
• 30:24
  I mean, I've become pretty uh pretty much a nut job when it comes to a healthy immune system.
• 30:32
  Uh I'm very careful about uh what I eat, uh what I do, um, you know, all those things.
• 30:38
  I uh where I could learn some lessons, we probably both could it's the stress factor, so we keep that away.
• 30:42
  We just got to stay with positive people and positive things in our life and just push that nasty stuff away and say, get the hell out of here.
• 30:48
  I don't want to deal with that.
• 30:49
  So, anyways, all right.
• 30:50
  So, we're talking to Dr.
• 30:51
  Kelly Victory here.
• 30:53
  And what a what a treat.
• 30:54
  I mean, what a personal story, first of all, Dr.
• 30:57
  Victory, you share.
• 30:58
  And I I'm so uh pleased.
• 31:00
  I I knew we would have an enormous time here, and it is an absolute blessing and a privilege to um to do this with you.
• 31:08
  Uh it's it's uh very heartfelt.
• 31:11
  Uh well, I I appreciate I appreciate the platform.
• 31:14
  Uh, as you know, we were talking about it a little before we started um this session.
• 31:19
  Uh I I am very faith-based.
• 31:21
  I believe, you know, I my approach to this was uh that this was sent to me for a reason.
• 31:27
  Um, I didn't want to go this path.
• 31:29
  I I frankly never wanted to have an oncologist, but here we are.
• 31:34
  Uh and so when I got that diagnosis, I said, you know, why?
• 31:38
  I've done everything right, God, like why am I doing this?
• 31:42
  And I think this is the why, Malcolm, because I was meant to go down this journey and perhaps make a different set of choices so that I could personally experience it and share it with others.
• 31:53
  I am not here to tell anyone what he or she should do if you get this diagnosis.
• 31:58
  That's a personal choice and one you need to make with your doctor, with your oncologists, your family, whoever it is who you engage.
• 32:05
  But I could tell you that I that I do believe that I was intended to go down this path, experience it myself, make a set of different choices and be able to share the results of those choices with others in hopes that they may have a better outcome.
• 32:20
  I love what you just say right there.
• 32:22
  And and I'm gonna do something a little uh with a little spontaneity here.
• 32:26
  And you know, I'm always doing spontaneity, but I'm gonna do something a little uh spontaneous here for a moment here.
• 32:31
  And for uh for our viewers and listeners and those who know um uh the platform and we we want to help as many people out as we can.
• 32:39
  And as we're talking at Dr.
• 32:40
  Kelly Victory here now, all right.
• 32:42
  I'll tell you what, when you hear this or you see this, uh, because it plays on the talk radar network, it'll play on the video podcast networks and the whole spiel.
• 32:50
  But when you do, if you have a question in this in this uh sphere of what we're talking about on the show today, and I again just spontaneous here.
• 32:59
  I'm gonna tell you to send the send them in.
• 33:02
  So just hear me out, send them in.
• 33:03
  Questions you have in in any of this with the immune system, cancer, uh, what you might do different, what maybe an experience you had or something like that.
• 33:11
  I don't know, just send them in.
• 33:12
  Uh let me give you the well, you know, just you can go to America Outloud.news and hit contact, and you know the message will come into the network.
• 33:18
  But let me give you another direct address that'll come in to me as well.
• 33:22
  And uh you can send it to Liberty at AmericaOutloud.news, Liberty at America Outloud dot news.
• 33:30
  I'll see those, and I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what.
• 33:32
  If you do that and send some of those QA's in and your heartfelt thoughts about this, uh we'll we'll do the we'll do another pro.
• 33:40
  Uh well, I'm gonna do I'm gonna do a lot small with Dr.
• 33:42
  Kelly Victory, I'll tell you that.
• 33:44
  But but I'll have her back uh on this next chapter, and we'll we'll answer some of those questions and and really which yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:51
  That'd be deal because we do it.
• 33:53
  We we we are noted for that here.
• 33:55
  And I think uh I think our audience or the the family, America Art Loud family will get a lot of value out of me saying that.
• 34:00
  But anyways, all right now I want to take the the privilege of doing something here again, a little unusual.
• 34:06
  Listen, everybody knows me enough.
• 34:08
  I mean, we developed this shop through the COVID years that Dr.
• 34:12
  Victory was talking about.
• 34:13
  I think you all know we we our claim to fame, and we we rose to help as many people as we could through great information and insights, and it was a blessing of a lifetime, absolute blessing of a lifetime.
• 34:24
  I never expected this.
• 34:25
  Uh, it was not on my menu.
• 34:27
  Um, but it really is what happened, and that's kind of what this network has been about.
• 34:32
  It's it's just been uh really God's mission.
• 34:35
  And it started that way in 2016 when we launched this network.
• 34:39
  I I had no idea it was going to take the the path it did.
• 34:42
  I I really didn't.
• 34:43
  None of this was uh forecasted, but I I was ready for the journey of my lifetime.
• 34:48
  I always knew it.
• 34:49
  I want to tell you something because I want Dr.
• 34:51
  Kelly Victory to hear this as well.
• 34:53
  In my lifetime, I knew, and I'm gonna tell you, and and you you may have heard me say this before, it's been a long time uh shared this, but I knew I was gonna uh when I was about 14, 15 years old, I knew the Lord was going to use me in some interesting ways down the road.
• 35:08
  I just knew it.
• 35:09
  I didn't know why, I didn't know how, I didn't know when I didn't know a lot of things, but I knew that I would be making a difference in the world at some point.
• 35:18
  I just knew it.
• 35:19
  And sure enough, throughout that whole COVID episode, that's when we really rose to action and got into a position to be able to help a lot of people.
• 35:28
  And we went through a lot of struggles together, my friends.
• 35:31
  As you know, I did on my own personal journey with my wife, which I was telling Dr.
• 35:35
  Victory about before we come on.
• 35:36
  And you you might may have heard the story before.
• 35:39
  We I almost lost her, and we went through a horrific time, as some of you did out there as well in lost family members.
• 35:45
  But we we we grew together, we learned a lot together.
• 35:49
  Uh, and that's what life is all about helping people, help.
• 35:52
  There's no greater gift than to help thy fellow man.
• 35:54
  There is no greater gift in the world than to do exactly that.
• 35:58
  And that is the blessing of this.
• 36:00
  So that's when we created this America Out Loud Dot Shop.
• 36:04
  We focused on health and wellness because it was important to Malcolm.
• 36:07
  It was important to me.
• 36:08
  We could have sold pillows, we could have sold gold and silver, we could have sold all that.
• 36:12
  They all wanted in here.
• 36:13
  They all wanted in, but I wasn't uh comfortable with selling that stuff from the trunk of my car, and that's kind of what it felt like.
• 36:20
  And I didn't want to do it.
• 36:21
  So health and wellness became our space, and I'd never looked back from that.
• 36:26
  I never looked back.
• 36:27
  That was the glory of this whole thing, being being uh able to help people in that way.
• 36:32
  And so those of you out there know me, know what we're doing.
• 36:36
  I just had a conversation earlier today with uh uh the beer bar, uh, you know, uh that that company with the those savory energy bars.
• 36:44
  And I don't know if Dr.
• 36:45
  Victory's tried it, but it is phenomenal.
• 36:47
  Uh and I was just talking to him today, uh, who we're gonna have on a program, by the way, Brian Bowers out of California.
• 36:53
  And uh that uh six uh simple ingredients and that bar tastes like incredible.
• 36:58
  Not the crap you buy at the grocery store with all the gooey crap, because I'm gonna talk to her after this moment here about the processed foods of some of that stuff because I I hate that crap.
• 37:08
  This is all healthy, the savory energy bar, simple pure ingredients, uh, six grams of protein, 100% plant-based, glutinous soy free.
• 37:16
  And it tastes incredible.
• 37:17
  And by the way, Dr.
• 37:19
  Bercy, you're gonna laugh.
• 37:20
  It actually is very good with a glass of wine too for happy hour, by the way.
• 37:26
  I've done it, I've done it, and it's good, it's good.
• 37:28
  But uh, gotta get to some of those, but you'll love that.
• 37:31
  And you do get a discount, use code out loud as you do all this stuff.
• 37:34
  But what I want to do, do something a little different here.
• 37:36
  Haven't done this before, but I do want to talk about Shields, and I haven't done this in the way that I would like to, because I don't know a great deal about it at this point, but now we're speaking to uh an author of the product.
• 37:50
  I say an author of the product.
• 37:52
  You are what the person behind this, I believe.
• 37:54
  Correct me on this if I'm wrong.
• 37:56
  But I think it was it was in this it is.
• 37:59
  Uh SHIELD is a two-part product that we uh created at the wellness company, and it really was born out of my personal experience, uh, treating my own cancer and my own cancer journey with regard to my immune health.
• 38:14
  I found myself, Malcolm, over a period uh during that first year uh following my diagnosis and initial treatment, I was finding more and more things, research on more and more things, supplements, natural ingredients that are have been shown over decades to not only support the immune system, but potentially to have direct impact on cancer, cancer recurrence and metastasis.
• 38:40
  And what I found was, and I was laughing one day with Peter Galouli, um, the CEO of the wellness company, and I said, you know, I have uh 30 uh I take 30 capsules twice a day of this different stuff.
• 38:51
  I said, This is crazy, people would think I'm nuts, but it certainly seems to be working.
• 38:55
  And I said, you know, what wouldn't it be great if we could actually provide people a simpler way to get this combination of products to combine these different supplements into a single thing that people could do, whether they have cancer or they simply are looking at sort of a super way to supercharge their immune systems.
• 39:15
  How did you know when you were doing that in your personal life?
• 39:18
  And I didn't know that story, so I'm thrilled to hear it right now.
• 39:21
  How did you know those things to use those things?
• 39:25
  And how did you know they would work for you?
• 39:28
  Well, I I honestly I was really I was spending my time during all of my recovery reading, reading, reading.
• 39:34
  Some of the things I already knew, for example, and I would say to anybody listening to this, if you don't know what your most what your vitamin D level is, you need to.
• 39:45
  Uh vitamin D is the simplest, most easily corrected issue that puts you at risk for having getting cancer as well as a lot of other things.
• 39:55
  I didn't vitamin D does that.
• 39:57
  Vitamin D vitamin D.
• 39:58
  And then that was important.
• 40:00
  Coming through COVID and all that.
• 40:01
  And by the way, I can't believe you're saying this.
• 40:04
  I'm a vitamin D nut.
• 40:06
  I mean, I take now I don't know.
• 40:08
  Okay, daily recruit just off the top, daily amount of IU.
• 40:11
  How many IUs would do you recommend?
• 40:13
  Well, well, let's go backwards for a second.
• 40:15
  Where your level needs to be, what you want, which you're aiming for, they the recommendations have been far too low, Malcolm.
• 40:23
  We've been told that 30 to 50 nanograms per milliliter on a blood test is normal.
• 40:28
  30 to 50 is where you want to be.
• 40:30
  So you come in at 35, your doctor says, all good.
• 40:33
  No, not all good.
• 40:34
  Your level needs to be between 80 and 100 to put you to decrease your risk of cancer.
• 40:40
  We knew that people who had a level over 60 had almost zero chance of getting hospitalized with COVID.
• 40:47
  So it's not just about cancer, it's about immune health.
• 40:50
  So with so how much do you take?
• 40:53
  The best thing to do is find out what your level is because then there are very clear algorithms that I can tell you how much to supplement.
• 41:00
  Some people need to be taking 20,000 IUs a day to get their levels up.
• 41:06
  Uh, it is a fat soluble vitamin, like K A and E.
• 41:11
  So in theory, you can become toxic on it because you don't urinate out the excess the way you do, say, with vitamin C.
• 41:19
  Okay.
• 41:20
  All that said, in 35 years of practicing medicine, I have never seen a case of vitamin D toxicity, nor do I know anyone who's seen a case of it.
• 41:30
  So I it is not easy to get.
• 41:33
  So most people, safe place to start.
• 41:36
  Most people should be taking a minimum of 5,000 IUs a day until and I would do that until such time as you can get your level checked.
• 41:45
  But number one, get your vitamin D level checked.
• 41:48
  Then I started looking at other the science behind things that are used in other cultures.
• 41:55
  In traditional Chinese medicine and in all Asian cultures, they use medicinal mushrooms uh to support immune health and to treat cancer.
• 42:04
  And interestingly, 12 years ago, when my Labrador retriever developed breast cancer, the veterinarian put her on turkey tail mushrooms 12 years ago.
• 42:17
  It's been well known in the veterinary world and been suppressed in human medicine, the value of these medicinal mushrooms, so Rishi, turkey tail, lion's main mushrooms, very, very important.
• 42:28
  So I added that.
• 42:30
  Then I started learning about really an understanding the metabolic basis of cancer.
• 42:37
  What does cancer love?
• 42:38
  Cancer loves sugar.
• 42:41
  Cancer, that sugar is cancer's best friend.
• 42:44
  It's its food of choice.
• 42:46
  And so I started understanding how I needed to manage and control my daily sugar intake, which means anything that turns into sugar, including unfortunately potatoes, pasta, you know, any rice, carbohydrates ultimately turn into sugar.
• 43:04
  And so I really changed my diet even more than I had before.
• 43:09
  I thought I was eating a great diet.
• 43:11
  I started cutting out a lot of those carbohydrates that turn into sugar, but I also started adding some of the supplements, quote unquote, the uh the whatever the nutraceuticals, if you will, that help you to manage blood sugar.
• 43:26
  The number one being berberine.
• 43:29
  Berberine is God's gift to us.
• 43:32
  You know, many, many diabetics uh can actually even get off of their medications for diabetes by taking uh berberine.
• 43:39
  It's a simple route, it's very, very well tolerated, super safe.
• 43:43
  Uh and it helps you to control blood sugar and therefore deprives any potential cancer cells of that uh that delight that they are looking for.
• 43:53
  So I added berberine.
• 43:55
  Then I started with things like Ashwaganda, which many people have heard of actually helps sleep, helps maintain it was a it was my attempt at something natural to help me with my stress issue and the fact that I'm a lousy sleeper, uh, because my mind just I get that monkey brain at night when I try to lay down at night and sleep.
• 44:14
  Um, and Ashwaganda is very good at sort of calming that.
• 44:17
  So one after the other, I started adding these things, you know, olive leaf, oregano oil, black seed oil.
• 44:24
  The the data, the the research is really remarkably rich in studies on these individual components, but nobody was combining them.
• 44:34
  So that's really how SHIELD came to be.
• 44:37
  I said, how many of these things can we bring together?
• 44:40
  Turmeric, another one, you know, very, very powerful antioxidant, very good at controlling inflammation, and again, seems to have some protective uh efficacy against uh against cancer.
• 44:54
  So we brought these together.
• 44:56
  SHIELD is a two-part system.
• 44:58
  There was so much stuff that we actually had to make it two parts.
• 45:00
  There are gel caps, soft caps, and then also a cocoa mix.
• 45:05
  It comes as a packet that initially we conceived of it that you would make it into a drink, that you would either make it as kind of a hot chocolate or put it in a in a cold drink.
• 45:15
  Um, I I am in I'm at in the winter time in a warm environment where drinking hot chocolate doesn't sound that great.
• 45:23
  So I mix it, the cocoa mix every day in a carton of plain yogurt, plain fat-free yogurt, and I make the most delicious chocolate yogurt uh for you know, and it's my my go-to dessert.
• 45:38
  I eat it every single day.
• 45:39
  How do you mix it up by hand or in a machine or anything?
• 45:42
  I just mix it up by hand.
• 45:43
  It's a powder, so I just pull it out of the phone.
• 45:46
  What do you got?
• 45:46
  A tub of it like so?
• 45:47
  Exactly.
• 45:48
  Yeah, yeah.
• 45:49
  You could put it, you know.
• 45:50
  I have a great recipe for high protein um low sugar chocolate mousse, which requires uh cottage cheese and cocoa powder, and you just dump it in a blender and spin it up.
• 46:02
  Um, I just use uh the cocoa mix rather than cocoa powder.
• 46:06
  I use our shield cocoa mix, which has the mushrooms and all of these other good things in it, and it tastes wonderful.
• 46:13
  How much do you put in a uh uh uh one of these uh yogurt containers?
• 46:16
  In one yogurt container, I put one stick pack.
• 46:19
  So the same amount as you would add to the colour.
• 46:21
  Oh, I see.
• 46:21
  It comes in, I'm seeing here on the on my computer.
• 46:23
  Yes, it comes in little stick packs that's very convenient.
• 46:26
  So I travel an awful lot, so I always have three or four stick packs in my purse so that I can have them when I'm on the road.
• 46:33
  And that's the chocolate, that's the cocoa.
• 46:35
  That's the cocoa mix of the mix of all of those wonderful ingredients.
• 46:39
  Exactly.
• 46:40
  Yeah, and then what about the the jar?
• 46:41
  What's in the jar?
• 46:42
  The the shield.
• 46:43
  The the the those are the soft gels.
• 46:45
  That's what I thought.
• 46:46
  Soft capsules.
• 46:47
  Yes, and so the soft gel capsules have.
• 46:49
  How do you take that just down with uh three of three of those?
• 46:52
  Exactly.
• 46:52
  Three of those you can take you could three a day.
• 46:55
  Um, we recommend for people who are just starting.
• 46:57
  So if you aren't sure that you'll have sensitivity to any of these ingredients, you could take one in the morning, one in midday, and one at night.
• 47:05
  I take all three of mine together.
• 47:06
  Um, but you could certainly split them up.
• 47:09
  Um, benefit to split them up versus all at once or not, really.
• 47:12
  No, it doesn't really doesn't matter, but that has the you know, oregano oil has been known for years.
• 47:17
  I don't know why we didn't learn this in medicine.
• 47:19
  Um, I guess we really do.
• 47:21
  I say that tongue in cheek.
• 47:22
  We know why it's because nobody can make any money on it.
• 47:25
  Uh oregano oil is a very, very powerful antibacterial, anti uh it's got great properties, but also seems to have uh anti-cancer properties.
• 47:36
  So there's the nature has you know provided us with this incredible wealth of supplements.
• 47:43
  And then we haven't even touched on you know the big one, Malcolm, which is uh the use of the antiparasitic drugs, specifically ivermectin and mebendazole in treating cancer, and that again um uh like these other things has been actually known for decades, but largely hidden uh in in human medicine.
• 48:06
  And that study that uh that the wellness company just did with the McCullough Foundation was pretty incredible.
• 48:11
  The the information that came out of that, right?
• 48:13
  On the ivermectin and bentazole.
• 48:15
  Absolutely.
• 48:15
  What we did was an observational study where we looked at uh uh nearly 200 of our patients who are taking that combination of ivermectin and mobendazole for cancer, and 84% of them had a positive outcome, but we are hardly the first Malcolm.
• 48:31
  There have been decades of uh studies on ivermectin ammobenzole.
• 48:37
  Interestingly, Johns Hopkins University had a patent on mobendazole for the treatment of cancer 10 years ago.
• 48:44
  Oh my god.
• 48:45
  Uh I mean, this is going right.
• 48:47
  This is going back so far.
• 48:48
  Uh, so it more research needs to be done, some big, you know, but this was a big deal.
• 48:53
  Yeah, Peter Galilee and I just had a big conversation on it uh this week.
• 48:57
  There's a show on the program here, friends, on Project Out Loud with Peter and I talking about it.
• 49:02
  I got his perspective on some of it, which was very, very cool.
• 49:05
  All right.
• 49:05
  So I uh that is a good point.
• 49:07
  But so this shield now back to this a moment.
• 49:09
  So you're taking this stuff uh naturally at home uh uh yourself as a person with a lot of wisdom and knowledge and like you said, research experience, things you've been looking at because you went through this whole thing, and then you're you're on the other side of this cancer thing, and you want to take this to what to uh back to the healthy immune system, back to stopping off some other outbreak of cancer, maybe or something else.
• 49:36
  Is that the idea?
• 49:37
  Absolutely.
• 49:38
  I would say that you know the idea is every one of these supplements is uh is helps to support your immune system.
• 49:46
  That's what it all gets back to.
• 49:47
  You started the show with it and it comes full circle.
• 49:50
  They are all to support your immune system.
• 49:53
  So yeah, so shield isn't about isn't hold on though, shield and I I'm getting the sense now from you that.
• 50:00
  Shield isn't just about cancer now.
• 50:01
  It's about an immune system.
• 50:04
  It's about a shield, Malcolm, making providing a shield to the onslaught of toxins and threats and challenges that your immune system faces every single time.
• 50:17
  Well, I'm gonna get on shield right away.
• 50:19
  I did not know that.
• 50:20
  I thought it was a cancer thing.
• 50:21
  I I was missing entirely.
• 50:24
  Well, no, because it really is great for somebody like myself who's had cancer or somebody who's at home.
• 50:29
  I mean, it's a lot more than that.
• 50:30
  It's several ultimately it is that shield against, as I said, the onslaught of daily challenges to your it makes sense what you're saying with the toxins and what you're saying, the shield.
• 50:40
  I love the name of it now.
• 50:41
  I totally get it.
• 50:42
  Listen, all the light bulbs just went off in my brain at once.
• 50:45
  So I now I get it why you did this, why you called it that what it is.
• 50:48
  And I got to tell you here now, vitamin D.
• 50:50
  We talked a lot about vitamin D, uh, and as well as zinc and other things coming through COVID and all of that.
• 50:56
  No question about it.
• 50:57
  I became a huge advocate of vitamin D.
• 50:59
  I mean, you were talking my language.
• 51:00
  I was loving hearing you just earlier talk about it.
• 51:03
  You'd almost think I have steak in the vitamin D factory the way I talk about it, which I do not.
• 51:08
  But uh, but vitamin D, uh, like all right.
• 51:12
  So my wife and I, and it like I always tell uh my my uh my dear brother uh uh Dr.
• 51:18
  Peter McCullough that um uh you know I tell listeners uh that you have to play offense.
• 51:25
  I believe in playing offense with your health, not defense, offense.
• 51:29
  Uh so I play offense, and I always knew as a young lad playing ball that you won games with playing great offense.
• 51:35
  Uh you need a little defense too, but you need offense.
• 51:37
  You can't win without offense, and it's the same thing in life with this here when it comes to immune system.
• 51:41
  So, anyways, we would if if I felt something coming on, or like D, my wife, if D had wasn't feeling well or something else is going on.
• 51:48
  We would take the now, we take uh 10,000 IUs a day, by the way.
• 51:53
  And if something was coming at us or whatever, I'd bring that sucker right up to 15 or 20,000 IUs, and we we go right on offense.
• 52:00
  We'd like flatten it, yeah, uh, with the vitamin D.
• 52:04
  So I really that's what I do.
• 52:05
  That's what I do.
• 52:06
  And so you so you've got that in shield then.
• 52:09
  You've got that, you've got all this stuff in shield.
• 52:11
  Yeah, we did we left only because there's just so much from a from a volume perspective.
• 52:17
  We did not add the vitamin D because it's so easy to supplement that on its own.
• 52:22
  Oh, and I would recommend so there's not vitamin D in SHIELD, and many people are taking it already in other formulations, so we didn't want to confuse people.
• 52:31
  Okay, all right.
• 52:32
  So you but you got all these other things you talked about.
• 52:34
  Oh, yeah.
• 52:35
  Olive leaf, oregano oil, black seed oil, turmeric, ashwaganda, turkey tail, mushrooms, uh oregano oil, what else?
• 52:43
  Berberine.
• 52:44
  It it is reverbering, yeah.
• 52:46
  So you so you get to this point.
• 52:47
  So you're talking to Galulian.
• 52:48
  You said, you know, uh, I'm taking all this and this.
• 52:50
  Wouldn't it be nice if we could do this?
• 52:52
  The light bulb went off, and then what?
• 52:54
  And then you got busy, you come up with a we put the team to it.
• 52:57
  We've got this you know, it's bangarang team of people who uh could help us to formulate.
• 53:02
  We went through a few missteps and just too much something didn't taste right.
• 53:06
  I think they've got it now to a great, uh great formulation.
• 53:09
  As I said, um, we just are adding these recipe cards to show some people some different ways to use the cocoa um mix in case if you don't want to drink hot chocolate or you don't want to.
• 53:20
  It works great in smoothies.
• 53:21
  You can mash it up with bananas and freeze them into banana pops.
• 53:25
  I mean, there's a thousand ways to use it.
• 53:27
  The point is to try to get some of these supplements on board because there's no one out there, Malcolm, who isn't really suffering for them or exposed to uh everything.
• 53:38
  It's it's not just the the junk, the pollutants that are in our in our air and water, but also what's in our food system.
• 53:47
  Uh, you know, exactly.
• 53:48
  We we everyone's gotten more aware of the the flaws of overprocessed foods or the the dangers of them.
• 53:55
  And I want to dive more into that next time.
• 53:57
  A lot of the stuff we're gonna be tight on time, but I I want to talk more about that lifestyle, Dr.
• 54:03
  Victory, with you and talk more about because these are things I'm a bit of a fanatic about.
• 54:08
  Uh and I always tell people when you can't read the ingredients on the back of the 25 syllable words, probably you don't want to put that into your body, I would think maybe not.
• 54:16
  And um, but and then you know, anything coming out of a box or a package, you want to sort a question, uh, because typically there's other things going on in there, and a lot of the stuff is cancer causing and that kind of thing.
• 54:27
  Yes.
• 54:28
  Uh, so there are things we could take in our lives, and then when you're talking about things like this and what you did here, and now with your own journey of cancer and uh in telling us so now it's preventive in nature, and maybe again, and you also the light bulb went off too, by the way, with the stress factor in our lives and really makes me think we have got to listen to me here, my friends.
• 54:51
  We have got to limit our stress in our lives, and I mean this.
• 54:54
  And if something is really irritating you and or irritating me, and and I'm gonna do it right after this program.
• 55:00
  I'm gonna start you're stuck getting stuff from me, and I'm cutting things off or saying I don't want to do that anymore.
• 55:04
  You'll know why.
• 55:05
  Uh, because uh, you know, you want to take matters into your own hands and not let the stress eat you alive because the stress will tear your immune system apart.
• 55:15
  There's no doubt in my mind for that, but I never connected that with cancer.
• 55:19
  And Dr.
• 55:19
  Victory did that for me today to say, well, no, Malcolm, that's uh where cancer is coming from.
• 55:23
  Your immune system is compromised and badly, and then this thing takes over, these toxins and problems happen.
• 55:29
  And well, we so many of us are living at you know, in a constant state of hypervigilance and stress.
• 55:36
  You know, if you you know, we are well-oiled machines like a Lamborghini.
• 55:40
  Uh that that motor is meant to go from zero to 90 in you know, X number of seconds, but it's not meant to idle at 50,000 RPMs.
• 55:48
  You're supposed to come down.
• 55:50
  Listen, and listen, I got enough energy that I'm always idle and at that speed because I remember you know, I remember as a kid, people say, or as a young guy in business, people say, My God, do you realize the energy you have?
• 56:01
  And uh, because I would and I was just I don't know, I just always have this energy.
• 56:05
  I was I maybe that's why uh Dr.
• 56:07
  Victor, I never did drugs or I never I never even tried it.
• 56:10
  I never tried drugs, I never tried weed, I never tried that.
• 56:13
  I never even tried it.
• 56:14
  I wouldn't even know what it is, I don't know if it's cigarettes, never do any of that.
• 56:16
  And people say, Why didn't you do some of that?
• 56:18
  And I say, Well, I was already high, uh already.
• 56:21
  I didn't need it, basically.
• 56:23
  If I needed it, I probably would have had it, but I really didn't need it.
• 56:25
  I was already kind of just high on this life thing or whatever it is, which is interesting.
• 56:30
  You know, you are uh an incredible treat.
• 56:33
  You're just amazing in so many ways, and such a blessing to have you here.
• 56:37
  We're we're out of time, sadly.
• 56:38
  But uh uh, this will be the first of many.
• 56:41
  Uh a new friend here, Dr.
• 56:43
  Kelly Victory.
• 56:44
  Um, incredible.
• 56:45
  Thank you.
• 56:46
  Thank you.
• 56:47
  Well, thank you.
• 56:47
  And I'll take you up on if your viewers uh send in questions.
• 56:51
  I'd be delighted to come back and field those questions, in addition to talking about the lifestyle issues and particularly with regard to food.
• 56:59
  We're gonna have a lot of fun.
• 57:00
  We're gonna have a lot of fun ahead with Dr.
• 57:02
  Kelly Victory for sure.
• 57:03
  This was just more than I I knew we'd have a great program, friends, but this was even even went beyond my expectations, frankly.
• 57:11
  Uh, and it's because you're hearing things raw and authentic, and that's what it is.
• 57:15
  It's raw and authentic.
• 57:16
  It's real, it's real.
• 57:18
  And so, big big, big thank you here to Dr.
• 57:20
  Kelly Victory and the journey she went through.
• 57:22
  I want to check out the shield now.
• 57:24
  I'm I'm entitled, I'm gonna talk to my wife about it tonight, actually, and to discuss it with her a little more.
• 57:29
  Quite fascinating.
• 57:29
  We're gonna watch this together back on video.
• 57:32
  D and I will, and we'll report back to you out there what we think about it.
• 57:35
  But, anyways, thank you, friends, for joining me on the mission here.
• 57:38
  As always, it's time to get involved and get loud.
• 57:42
  Oh Mary.