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Sharri | 12 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening Major news tonight, as the majority of Liberal
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Speaker 2: MPs support dumping net zero, with the big announcement to
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Speaker 2: be made tomorrow. I'll discuss this with Michael Kroeger shortly.
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Speaker 2: Also on the show, we'll expose the hypocrisy of the left,
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Speaker 2: outraged by the neo Nazi rally, yet silent in the
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Speaker 2: face of similar offensive remarks from Bobka and Jenny Leong.
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Speaker 2: Also today, Justina Alan announces tough sentences for youth offenders, but.
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Speaker 3: Will the Melbourne courts ever follow through.
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Speaker 2: Plus Keir Starmer, now fighting for his leadership, We'll get
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Speaker 2: the latest with Tom Slater the first tonight.
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Speaker 3: The Liberal Party.
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Speaker 2: Is set to officially dump its support of net zero tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: This after the majority of the party room today spoke
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Speaker 2: in favor of abandoning the twenty fifty targets that will
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Speaker 2: never be met and are making life unaffordable for Australians.
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Speaker 2: Every Liberal was given a chance to speak at today's
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Speaker 2: party route. It went in alphabetical order and each politician
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Speaker 2: had five.
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Speaker 3: Minutes to express their view.
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Speaker 2: Some told me it felt like they were back at school.
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Speaker 2: Everyone spoke except for the leader Susan Lee. As I
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Speaker 2: first reported earlier this evening, twenty eight liberals supported dumping
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Speaker 2: net zero, seventeen wanted to keep the target, and the
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Speaker 2: position of four Liberals was unclear. There was no formal vote.
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Speaker 2: Those numbers were from an informal tally of every speaker
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Speaker 2: in the room. So the message has been heard loud
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Speaker 2: and clear by the Liberal leadership and Dantean will take
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Speaker 2: a final policy position to Shadow Cabinet tomorrow. He'll then
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Speaker 2: hold a press conference. Now let's turn to some of
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Speaker 2: the speakers today in the party room. Andrew Hasty, in
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Speaker 2: his speech said, with more authoritarian figures globally, Australia needs
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Speaker 2: to be self reliant when it comes to energy. Paul
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Speaker 2: Scarr advocated for the Queensland position of using more coal
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Speaker 2: to keep energy affordable whilst still backing net zero, and
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Speaker 2: WA liberal Melissa Price said the party had no credibility
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Speaker 2: on climate action and so it should retain support for
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Speaker 2: net zero. That's just a cross section of variety of
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Speaker 2: the views. But heading into the meeting it was a
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Speaker 2: show of force from Conservative Liberals and Susan Lee's two
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Speaker 2: leadership rivals, Angus Taylor and Andrew Hasty walked in side
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Speaker 2: by side and several of those Lee has dumped were
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Speaker 2: also front and center, including Sarah Henderson and Justina nampajimper Price.
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Speaker 2: It was a clear sign that the Conservatives knew they
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Speaker 2: had the numbers to dump the net zero by twenty
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Speaker 2: fifty targets. Now the party will retain the commitment to
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Speaker 2: lowering emissions, but will abandon the legislated binding targets that
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Speaker 2: even the Albanese government, although they support, they won't meet.
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Speaker 2: The federal Liberal Party director Andrew Hurst told the party
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Speaker 2: room that Australians do mostly support climate targets, but that
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Speaker 2: focus group research done in recent weeks shows support then
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Speaker 2: falls away when the topic of energy bills comes up.
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Speaker 2: So Hearst told all of the Liberals gathered that net
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Speaker 2: zero is seen by many voters as a proxy for
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Speaker 2: action on climate change. He also said that voters want
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Speaker 2: sensible action on climate change. But he then presented the
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Speaker 2: findings from focus group research that laid out some arguments
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Speaker 2: that could change voter perception that could change voter perceptions
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Speaker 2: of net zero.
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Speaker 3: Particularly around cost.
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Speaker 2: So that was laying the pathway for the Liberals as
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Speaker 2: to how to campaign on this issue.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: The research he told the party about is pretty similar
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Speaker 2: to what Nationals MP Matt Canavan told us about the
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Speaker 2: National's own research on net zero last week, that most
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Speaker 2: voters do currently support it.
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Speaker 4: We went through the research the polling on this in
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Speaker 4: our party room and we're wanted to no illusions here
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Speaker 4: that we've got to change people's minds.
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Speaker 3: So you've already got research.
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Speaker 2: So what does it show the majority of people currently
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Speaker 2: support net zero?
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Speaker 4: No, it does show that really it's a little bit
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Speaker 4: under that, but it's a plurality that means that more
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Speaker 4: people support net zero than don't, but it's actually under
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Speaker 4: fifty percent in most of the research, which is a
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Speaker 4: little I think shows the vulnerability of the net zero campaign.
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Speaker 2: But as Canavan and others point out, around sixty percent
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Speaker 2: of Australians supported the Voice at the start of twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty three and it was then comprehensively defeated by the
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Speaker 2: time it went to the referendum in October. And for
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Speaker 2: the Voice campaign you had strong figures like just Into Namba,
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Speaker 2: jimper Price and Peter Dutton leading the No side. And
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Speaker 2: we're yet to see who will lead the anti net
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Speaker 2: zero campaign for the coalition. But after six months of
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Speaker 2: dithering on policy and focusing on themselves, there will now
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Speaker 2: be a genuine political contest.
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Speaker 3: The fight will get fiery, and if.
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Speaker 2: The Liberals can get their act together, they'll start putting
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Speaker 2: the Albanezy government under pressure over high electricity bills and
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Speaker 2: the cost of living. Now, this is no question a
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Speaker 2: high risk strategy for the Liberals, but when they're sitting
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Speaker 2: at just twenty four percent prime revote, they have little
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Speaker 2: to lose.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: I've spoken over the past two nights about the hypocrisy
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Speaker 2: of the left, outraged by the Neo Nazi rally, yet
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Speaker 2: silent in the face of equally disturbing remarks from some
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Speaker 2: pro Palestinian activists. The double standard is especially glaring in
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Speaker 2: the cases of bobka and Greens MP Jenny Leong. Today
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Speaker 2: the Australians Jonni Bashan exposed the absence of condemnation of
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Speaker 2: Bobkarr's rehetoric, noting how some of his language is eerily
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Speaker 2: similar to some of the remarks expressed by the Neo Nazis. Now,
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Speaker 2: to break this down, here were the Neo Nazis on
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Speaker 2: Saturday outside Parliament complaining about Jewish groups.
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Speaker 5: The Jewish lobby is one of the most powerful lobbies
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Speaker 5: in Australia. They bribe our politicians. Our politicians, they send
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Speaker 5: them on all expenses, pay trips to Israel to educate them,
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Speaker 5: to indoctrinate them.
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Speaker 6: So that they can come back and do their wishes.
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Speaker 6: They own our politicians.
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Speaker 3: That was the Neo Nazis.
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Speaker 2: Now here's Bob Krr also criticizing the so called Jewish
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Speaker 2: Lobby Israel.
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Speaker 1: Jewish Lobby in Australia is a foreign influence operation. It's
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Speaker 1: designed to put the interests of Israel above the interests
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Speaker 1: of Australia and foreign polists. No one else has an
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Speaker 1: operation as well funded. No other country has an operation
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Speaker 1: with offices in every Australian capital city. No one else
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Speaker 1: organizes donations to attempt to elevate its influence in the
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Speaker 1: way the Jewish Lobby does in Australia.
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Speaker 2: And yet there wasn't the same level of outrage over those.
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Speaker 3: Remarks by Bob Karr. In fact, the.
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Speaker 2: Men's government rewarded cart just last week with an eighty
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year appointment to the Sydney water Board,
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Speaker 2: as reported by Janni Bishan today. That's fresh off another
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Speaker 2: Bord appointment to the Australian Heritage Council. Now, the Premier,
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Speaker 2: Chris Mens was asked about all of this today.
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Speaker 7: Former Labor Premier Bob Karr has criticized the Jewish lobby
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Speaker 7: in the past. He's previously said it has its influence
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Speaker 7: on Australia's policy has reached an unhealthy level. Now his
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Speaker 7: comments don't go as far as those neo Nazi comments.
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, I think that's the point. They don't
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Speaker 8: and I don't agree with those comments, but I think
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Speaker 8: it's not fair to him or a public presentation of
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Speaker 8: people's view to suggest that they're in the same ballpark
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Speaker 8: they're not. I mean, there's a big difference between a Nazi.
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Speaker 7: Rally and.
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Speaker 8: A political critique, even one that I don't agree with,
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Speaker 8: and I should say that I don't agree with it now.
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Speaker 2: I approached Karr for comment today.
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Speaker 3: He did not respond.
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Speaker 2: But he's not a neo Nazi or an anti Semite
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Speaker 2: and his comments did not go as far as what
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Speaker 2: I've just played from the neo Nazis.
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Speaker 3: Outside of New South.
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Speaker 2: Wales Parliament, he has reportedly dismissed any comparison and said
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Speaker 2: his criticism of the Israel lobby was with its unwavering
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Speaker 2: support of a government in Israel. I'm quoting Car here
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Speaker 2: pursuing a policy of genocide in.
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Speaker 3: Gaza and apartheid in the West Bank.
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Speaker 2: Of course, as we know, Israel has not committed a
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Speaker 2: genocide and has taken every effort to minimize civilian casualties.
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Speaker 2: But back to the Premier who said there's a big
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Speaker 2: difference between the two remarks, Well, is there a big
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Speaker 2: difference between the two remarks? Frankly, I don't think there
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Speaker 2: is anither, does Damien Tudorhope, who spoke about Karr's remarks
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Speaker 2: in Parliament yesterday, He described them as typical anti Semitic
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Speaker 2: dog whistling.
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Speaker 9: That the theme of secret Jewish control and undue influence
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Speaker 9: has been standard anti Semitic trope. Car's call to not
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Speaker 9: being intimidated by the rich, well funded Jewish lobby is
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Speaker 9: typical anti Semitic dog whistling and should not be rewarded
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Speaker 9: by the offer of a board position on Sydney Water.
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Speaker 9: This is exactly exactly the hypocrisy of those opposites.
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Speaker 2: There are clear double standards here, and then there's Greens
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Speaker 2: and p Jenny Leon now you recall she spoke about
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Speaker 2: Jewish tentacles trying to influence those in power.
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Speaker 10: The Jewish lobby and the Zionus lobby are infiltrating into every.
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Speaker 11: Single asset of what is at their community groups.
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Speaker 12: They rock up and they're part of the campaign.
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Speaker 10: They offer support for things like the campaign against the
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Speaker 10: eighteen C resulificational as they offer solidarity. They rock up
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Speaker 10: every community event and meaning to offer that connection because
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Speaker 10: they their tentacles reach in to the areas that try
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Speaker 10: and influence power.
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Speaker 6: And I think that we need to call that out
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Speaker 6: and expose it.
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Speaker 2: Yet in Parliament this week, that same politician, Jenny Leong
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Speaker 2: has been demanding answers from the Men's government on anti
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Speaker 2: semitism because of the Neo Nazis.
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Speaker 10: My question is for the Premiere Premier, beyond holding those
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Speaker 10: who participated in the Neo Nazi rally outside parliament to account,
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Speaker 10: what steps is your government taking to ensure that their
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Speaker 10: dangerous views and rhetoric are not allowed to proliferate in
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Speaker 10: our communities and the root causes of their divisive anti
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Speaker 10: Semitic and indeed broadly racist ideologies addressed.
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Speaker 2: Jenny Leong has the audacity to lecture others on anti Semitism,
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Speaker 2: despite her own history of remarks so offensive that she
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Speaker 2: had no option but to issue a groveling apology after
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Speaker 2: her comments were widely condemned.
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Speaker 3: Are her own comments about.
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Speaker 2: Jewish tentacles significantly different from what we heard from the
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Speaker 2: mouths of neo Nazis on Saturday?
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Speaker 3: Now?
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Speaker 2: Hate should be unacceptable, no matter who expresses it, Yet
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Speaker 2: the left has turned a blind eye to the hatred
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Speaker 2: emanating from some Palestinian activists and from radical Islam, while
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Speaker 2: working themselves into a lather over neo Nazis. All right,
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Speaker 2: lots to come in the show tonight, but let's bring
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Speaker 2: in now former president of the Victorian Liberal Party Michael
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Speaker 2: Kroger and Sky News host Joe Heldebrandon. Me great to
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Speaker 2: see you both, and let's return to the net zero
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Speaker 2: meeting of the Liberal Party today. Michael, given the sentiment
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Speaker 2: in the room, given the number of Liberals who spoke
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Speaker 2: out again.
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Speaker 3: It's not zero.
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Speaker 2: It is very clear that they will be dumping the
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Speaker 2: policy tomorrow. How do you think this is going to
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Speaker 2: play out politically?
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Speaker 13: It does look that way, and the document that Dan
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Speaker 13: team produced today at the meeting was a very good
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Speaker 13: piece of work. I must say. It was an exercise
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Speaker 13: in realism, in economic realism. And the challenge now going forward,
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Speaker 13: and this is why I've always had hesitations about dumping
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Speaker 13: that zero, is that the challenge now is to sell
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Speaker 13: that policy against a phalanx of opponents on the left
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Speaker 13: who and you know, if they talk about the Israel lobby,
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Speaker 13: for goodness sake, if you want to see a real
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Speaker 13: lobby in Australia, have a look at the renewal energy lobby.
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Speaker 13: They are the most powerful lobby in this country, back
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Speaker 13: by hundreds of millions of dollars. They will go bananas,
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Speaker 13: as will the left wing media, environmental groups, the ALP,
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Speaker 13: you know, the whole left orchestra will be playing over
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Speaker 13: the next year or so. And the challenge for the
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Speaker 13: coalition is to be able to win that argument. And
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Speaker 13: you win that argument, by the way, as I've always said,
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Speaker 13: by turning this debate not about to be not in
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Speaker 13: a debate about simply net zero, but about the costs
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Speaker 13: net zero. This is an economic argument, and amongst the
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Speaker 13: arguments the team put forward today, simply so we'll do
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Speaker 13: what the rest of our comparable countries are doing. But
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Speaker 13: we're not going to damage our economy more than everybody
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Speaker 13: else is being damaged. So that's the challenge to make
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Speaker 13: this a simple argument and then to be able to
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Speaker 13: sell it, as you said, then done.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I have to say I agree with you.
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Speaker 2: Given the performance of the Liberals over the past six month,
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Speaker 2: the current team, I don't have confidence that they can
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Speaker 2: sell this, Joe. I'm interested though, in how the Albanezy government,
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Speaker 2: your mate Albo will.
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Speaker 3: Be perceiving this decision.
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Speaker 2: You know, will he be happy that the Liberals are
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Speaker 2: dumping that zero gives him another scare campaign.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 14: I think it's fair to say that Labor and I
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Speaker 14: won't speak to what the PM says, but Labor generally
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Speaker 14: just cannot believe their luck in terms of how the
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Speaker 14: Liberals are imploding. And my response to that has been,
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Speaker 14: and I wrote about it recently, that they should be
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Speaker 14: very careful not to just assume that because this will
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Speaker 14: blow up the Libs or cause division, it's good news
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Speaker 14: for Labor. I think the I think the biggest achilles
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Speaker 14: here or the government has is higher power prices, and
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Speaker 14: one of the things that has kind of blunted Coalition
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Speaker 14: attacks on that is that both the Coalition and Labor
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Speaker 14: had committed to net zero, so that the Coalition was
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Speaker 14: sort of fighting with one hand tied behind its back.
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Speaker 14: I still think they will really struggle with this, in
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Speaker 14: part because it means they've kissed goodbye forever to those
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Speaker 14: TiAl seats, which is why I've seen people like Tim
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Speaker 14: Wilson really really worried about this. So you can kiss
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Speaker 14: goodbye to all those seats. So where are they going
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Speaker 14: to get their money from? As Michael said, you know
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Speaker 14: a lot. There's a lot of money in those seats
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Speaker 14: and a lot of money for net zero. And the
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Speaker 14: other question is, you know where do they expect to
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Speaker 14: make up the difference. I mean, if they're just appealing
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Speaker 14: to their base and shoring up their base, well that's
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Speaker 14: all well and good, but where do they get those
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Speaker 14: extra swinging suburban votes in the middle, especially women who
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Speaker 14: let down the Coalition enormously last time, or vice versa,
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Speaker 14: depending on how you look at it. Still a majority
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Speaker 14: of people supporting net zero, About half of those don't
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Speaker 14: think we'll get there. I don't think we'll get there,
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Speaker 14: but I think people want to be seen to having
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Speaker 14: a go. It does come with a cost, as soon
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Speaker 14: as the cost gets factored in, that does peel away,
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Speaker 14: but especially young people. And again if the coalition, the
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Speaker 14: coalition's youth fos collapse the last election, this isn't going
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Speaker 14: to do anything to get it back. So I can
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Speaker 14: understand they're in an invidious position, but I don't see
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Speaker 14: it getting much better. But again, higher power pot I.
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Speaker 2: Will say about the Teal seats is I'm told that
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Speaker 2: even the research in the Teal seats shows that the
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Speaker 2: top issue is affordability, is cost of living, and that's
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Speaker 2: and you know, I think that's what you're.
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Speaker 3: Going to get.
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Speaker 2: It is absolutely true over the next couple of ti
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Speaker 2: years as inflation looks like it's really setting in. Michael,
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Speaker 2: I'm interested in what you thought of the conservative block
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Speaker 2: of Liberals walking into.
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Speaker 3: The party room together. I mean, it was quite the squad,
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Speaker 3: well it.
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Speaker 13: Was, and some good friends of mine in the front
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Speaker 13: row there. But anyway, putting that aside, look, it was
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Speaker 13: just a sign of unity amongst a group of people
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Speaker 13: that wanted to get rid of net zero, and they
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Speaker 13: didn't want there to be any doubt about the strength
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Speaker 13: of their argument, the strength of their position, and the
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Speaker 13: strength of their belief. So they wanted to make that
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Speaker 13: you can sit on the screen there. They wanted to
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Speaker 13: make it very clear to their colleagues and to the
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Speaker 13: public that that was their view. And I think we
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Speaker 13: saw that group and another ten speak against net zero today.
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Speaker 13: So that's why I think it's pretty clear that netzero
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Speaker 13: will get the chop tomorrow. But it's an unusual thing.
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Speaker 13: It usually happens during leadership challenges. It's more of a
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Speaker 13: labour thing than liberal thing. But we've soon it on
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Speaker 13: outside in the past. I don't particularly like it, by
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Speaker 13: the way, but anyway, that's that's a matter for them.
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Speaker 3: I enjoy it. I definitely enjoy it, but it was
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Speaker 3: when you're a journalist, you'd love it.
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Speaker 2: Of course they would telling that Susan Lee, knowing how
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Speaker 2: all of this would be reported, she walked in all
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Speaker 2: that alone, you know one person.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's right, which in a labor context would mean
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Speaker 14: that you cooked victorious contender and the loser. Indeed, it
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Speaker 14: would always be balanced by their pretorian guard.
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Speaker 2: But on the other hand, she didn't want to have
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Speaker 2: her own view, she didn't want to express it.
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Speaker 14: No, this is another problem for her. So I mean, firstly,
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Speaker 14: even if Susan Lee in terms of her own leadship.
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Speaker 14: If she dumps net zero and so she doesn't believe it,
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Speaker 14: believe in it anymore, who's going to believe her? Because
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Speaker 14: you know, five minutes ago she did and everyone knows
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Speaker 14: that her instincts is a moderate to believe it. The
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Speaker 14: other problem they have is that this is a target
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Speaker 14: that it wasn't Labor that signed up to it. It was
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Speaker 14: the Morrison government. It was something that a right wing
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Speaker 14: factional member of the of the Liberal Party actually signed
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Speaker 14: up to. So you have to explain why their last
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Speaker 14: prime minister was wrong, why she herself was wrong the
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Speaker 14: last time she spoke about it, and why she should
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Speaker 14: be believed when she suddenly says well I don't believe
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Speaker 14: in any of that anymore. I so well, what do
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Speaker 14: you believe in? How can we trust you on the
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Speaker 14: next thing? So I think those are problems too.
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Speaker 2: Just in defense of Scott Morrison, he has come out
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Speaker 2: on this program and in an interview with Australian to
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Speaker 2: explain his change in position and not to reprosecute his argument,
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Speaker 2: but he has come out publicly to say this is
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Speaker 2: why I signed up to it at the time, and
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Speaker 2: this is why he doesn't believe the party should support
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Speaker 2: net zero now because the times have changed.
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Speaker 3: Now let's turn to the crime wave in Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: It is so bad that finally the premiere today announced
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Speaker 2: legislating life sentences for teens who commit serious offenses.
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Speaker 15: There are too many victims and not enough consequences. And
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Speaker 15: why Victoria will introduce adult time for violent crime, where
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Speaker 15: the courts will treat children for these crimes like adults,
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Speaker 15: where jail will be more likely and sentences will be longer.
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Speaker 2: So this is great in theory, Michael, but the issue
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Speaker 2: we've seen in Melbourne with the courts is that even
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Speaker 2: if the tough sentences are available to them, they don't
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Speaker 2: seem to implement them. Give the criminals the toughest profsible sentences.
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Speaker 3: Do you have any confidence in this?
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Speaker 13: I don't have a single iota of confidence in just
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Speaker 13: Cindra Alline. Of course, it's a matter for the judges ultimately,
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Speaker 13: and they can change the sentencing directions and sentencing rules.
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Speaker 13: But look, this premier will say or do anything to
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Speaker 13: get elected. She stands there with a straight face. So
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Speaker 13: now in Victoria they're going to bring in a law
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Speaker 13: if you're fourteen and you're guilty of aggravated burg meaning
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Speaker 13: into a house and others. You go into a house
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Speaker 13: with a weapon or with another person or you know
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Speaker 13: the people are home. That's aggravated burglary. If you do
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Speaker 13: that and you're caught and you're fourteen, you can go
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Speaker 13: for life in jail. Okay, it's so serious we have
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Speaker 13: to put fourteen year olds in jail for life. But
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Speaker 13: don't forget two weeks ago this premier said Victoria, the
21:23
Speaker 13: CBD in Victoria is completely safe CBD in Victoria, it's
21:28
Speaker 13: completely safed after Mashetti attacks and people with false guns
21:31
Speaker 13: and ever running around the city. So on the one hand,
21:35
Speaker 13: Melbourne City is completely safe for people and pedestrians and
21:38
Speaker 13: shop workers. But on the other hand, crime is so
21:42
Speaker 13: serious that fourteen year olds have to go to jail
21:45
Speaker 13: for life for aggravated burglary. I mean, this premier will
21:48
Speaker 13: say or do anything to get elected. This is labor
21:50
Speaker 13: and it's absolute worse right desperate pole Driven just says
21:54
Speaker 13: to the pollster, what have I got to do to
21:56
Speaker 13: get elected? What have I got to say? Now they've
21:59
Speaker 13: been in government for twelve years, they've only just worken
22:01
Speaker 13: up today. That crime is an issue. Oh, for goodness sake,
22:04
Speaker 13: the whole thing's the whole thing's laughable. Yeah, and the
22:07
Speaker 13: suit of the Brad Baton gets elected, who's the next policeman?
22:09
Speaker 2: The better, although a lot of people are saying they
22:13
Speaker 2: don't have confidence that the Liberal Party can get elected
22:17
Speaker 2: in Melbourne even with how bad things are.
22:18
Speaker 14: Joe Yeah, which goes to show just how important it
22:21
Speaker 14: is to have a strong opposition that holds the government
22:23
Speaker 14: of the day accountable. Again, I think this government has
22:26
Speaker 14: been absolutely pathetic. It's embarrassing that's had to copy and
22:30
Speaker 14: paste basically a coalition policy at Queensland l and P
22:34
Speaker 14: policy and drip feed it to try and look like
22:37
Speaker 14: they're suddenly tough on crime when they've been previously trying
22:40
Speaker 14: to gaslight their own population as to whether or not
22:43
Speaker 14: there was even a crime problem to begin with. I've
22:45
Speaker 14: always said there is nothing progressive about being soft on crime.
22:49
Speaker 14: It is poorer people who are far more likely to
22:52
Speaker 14: be victims of crime, victims of these criminals that often
22:55
Speaker 14: the Left seem so desperate to protect. And ironically it's
22:58
Speaker 14: only once this eidemics started to intrude on some of
23:01
Speaker 14: the more affluent areas of Melbourne, that this supposedly left
23:05
Speaker 14: wing labor government actually started paying attention and.
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Speaker 2: Doing what it's I know, I think that I don't
23:11
Speaker 2: know that analysis is quite right, and just think because
23:16
Speaker 2: people are just that it became everyone was becoming affected.
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Speaker 3: What do you think, Michael, very quickly.
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Speaker 13: No, I think it's more in the western suburbss, more
23:26
Speaker 13: in labor labor areas with some MASHETI eject attacks a
23:32
Speaker 13: shopping centers, violated workers in retail shops and buntings being attacked.
23:39
Speaker 13: So I don't think it's because they've they've come to
23:42
Speaker 13: the leafy suburbs. I live in near Chapel Street. Jay,
23:45
Speaker 13: We've we've had crime there forever Mate.
23:47
Speaker 14: No, No, But people, people in very wealthy suburbs where
23:50
Speaker 14: you were previously not seeing any crime at all or
23:54
Speaker 14: minimum amounts, were getting their houses broken into and their
23:57
Speaker 14: cars stolen as part of the purer sacking ring. And
24:00
Speaker 14: that was when everyone started paying attention. And that is
24:03
Speaker 14: that particular type of crime for example, that just doesn't
24:05
Speaker 14: really occur.
24:05
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that's why she has acted. I
24:08
Speaker 2: think it just became such an overwhelming problem.
24:11
Speaker 14: It's been happening in those working class areas for years
24:15
Speaker 14: and years and years and years, and this supposedly labor
24:17
Speaker 14: government has done nothing.
24:19
Speaker 2: It's just the biggest issues front page of the Herald
24:21
Speaker 2: Sun almost every other day because it's jump the tracks
24:25
Speaker 2: all right before we go. As you might have noticed,
24:28
Speaker 2: this is the first Wednesday since Richo passed away, and
24:32
Speaker 2: he's been on this program for the past few years,
24:35
Speaker 2: mostly on a Wednesday with Michael Kroger that was the
24:38
Speaker 2: regular panel.
24:40
Speaker 3: And look, we just looked looking back at the footage.
24:43
Speaker 2: Michael, it's quite amazing that on Richo's last appearance on
24:47
Speaker 2: this program you actually showed him.
24:50
Speaker 3: You didn't you couldn't have had no way of knowing.
24:52
Speaker 2: What would be his last and yet you showed him
24:55
Speaker 2: some really beautiful appreciation of what he brings to public debate.
25:01
Speaker 3: Let's just have a look at that.
25:03
Speaker 13: But look, Graham, there's a reason you're on this show mate,
25:06
Speaker 13: because you tell the truth. You've been a labor icon
25:09
Speaker 13: for all my life. You tell the truth.
25:13
Speaker 2: I agree with every word you said, Michael. Incredible that
25:18
Speaker 2: those were your sentiments to rich O, heart to heart.
25:23
Speaker 2: You never could have known that was your last appearance.
25:27
Speaker 3: What are your.
25:27
Speaker 2: Reflections on on rich oh and working alongside him over
25:32
Speaker 2: the past couple of years.
25:35
Speaker 13: Well, not only on this show, but I date back
25:37
Speaker 13: to the late eighties. I think my first election coverage
25:39
Speaker 13: with Richo might have been in eighty seven or eighty
25:42
Speaker 13: eight on the Channel nine networks. I did many courages
25:46
Speaker 13: with him and have been in hundreds of debates with
25:50
Speaker 13: him in Morrisly and Your Show, which I enjoyed immensely,
25:52
Speaker 13: and I know he enjoyed immensely being on with you
25:56
Speaker 13: Wednesday nights. He and I both worked for Kerry Packer
25:58
Speaker 13: for a while, which was very interesting. But look, this
26:03
Speaker 13: guy was he was. He had a brilliant political mind.
26:08
Speaker 13: You know, amongst the great labor political brains that I've
26:11
Speaker 13: seen over the years, Richardson probably top Peter Barron, who
26:16
Speaker 13: was I think an advisor Neville Ran And'd be right
26:19
Speaker 13: up there. This guy had a common feel. He had
26:22
Speaker 13: the feel that a Bob Hawk had, that of John
26:24
Speaker 13: Howard had in different ways. Richer had an antenna that
26:30
Speaker 13: you rarely find in politics, and that's why he was
26:32
Speaker 13: so incredibly successful as a politician. I know he's been
26:35
Speaker 13: subject to lots of criticisms for other reasons in the
26:37
Speaker 13: Fairfax Press. But that was never I never was involved
26:41
Speaker 13: with him in those types of things, only as a
26:43
Speaker 13: fellow commentator, and he was the best of the best
26:46
Speaker 13: on the labor side.
26:48
Speaker 3: He was, indeed and will certainly miss him.
26:50
Speaker 2: On a Wednesday, thank you and I'm so glad you
26:53
Speaker 2: said those words to.
26:54
Speaker 3: Him on that final appearance together. Michael, really really beautiful.
26:58
Speaker 13: Me too, Me too.
27:00
Speaker 3: Always got to let people know how you feel about.
27:02
Speaker 14: It, absolutely, whether it's good or bad, you never know.
27:04
Speaker 14: He was a great, great man. I'm honored to be
27:06
Speaker 14: in his chair. I idolized him through my whole life
27:10
Speaker 14: as a political and labor obsessive, and I was honored
27:13
Speaker 14: to be able to call him my friend towards the
27:14
Speaker 14: end of his life. So yes, thank you for letting
27:18
Speaker 14: me temporarily sit in his throne.
27:22
Speaker 5: Joe.
27:22
Speaker 3: Great to have you, Michael, see you next week.
27:27
Speaker 8: Well.
27:27
Speaker 2: In breaking news today, UK Prime Minister Kiir Starmer is
27:30
Speaker 2: staring down a leadership challenge, with his allies doing the
27:34
Speaker 2: media rounds to shore up support. One solt set of Starma.
27:38
Speaker 2: He will fight this. He's one of only two people
27:41
Speaker 2: alive who've won a general.
27:43
Speaker 3: Election for labor.
27:44
Speaker 2: It'd be madness to run against him after seventeen months,
27:49
Speaker 2: and that's cross to London now where we have spiked
27:51
Speaker 2: online editor Tom Slater, Tom, good to see you again.
27:55
Speaker 3: Look, the polls have been.
27:56
Speaker 2: Bad for Starma for a while now, so how curious
28:00
Speaker 2: is this talk now of a leadership challenge.
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Speaker 16: I think it's very serious because, as you say, Kirs
28:07
Speaker 16: Starmer is a remarkably unpopular prime minister, the most unpopular
28:10
Speaker 16: serving prime minister since the posters have ever bothered to
28:13
Speaker 16: answer the question. But there's always been this big problem
28:15
Speaker 16: of who moves against him and when. What we've seen
28:18
Speaker 16: over the course of the past twelve hours, his sources
28:20
Speaker 16: around the Prime Minister heavily briefing against West Streeting, the
28:23
Speaker 16: Health Secretary who's made no mystery about his leadership ambitions.
28:28
Speaker 16: And yet we're in a situation now we are West
28:30
Speaker 16: Streeting is doing the morning broadcast rounds at the moment
28:32
Speaker 16: saying that he is loyal to Keir Starmer and that
28:35
Speaker 16: he's blaming these briefings on just very tetchy gameplaying people
28:39
Speaker 16: in Number ten Downing Street who have a habit of
28:42
Speaker 16: trying to sow dissension. So it's a complete mess it's
28:44
Speaker 16: not obvious what all of this briefing was meant to
28:46
Speaker 16: achieve overnight, part from maybe trying to flush out West
28:48
Speaker 16: streeting and force him to say something positive about the
28:51
Speaker 16: Prime Minister on the airwaves. But the way in which
28:55
Speaker 16: they're just fighting like rats in the proverbial sack at
28:57
Speaker 16: the moment, it's really not helping. The image of this
28:59
Speaker 16: governm is completely adrift and with no idea what it's doing.
29:03
Speaker 13: Well.
29:04
Speaker 2: Be fascinating to see how long Starmer Now has left.
29:08
Speaker 2: I want a return to the BBC scandal. We've been
29:10
Speaker 2: covering it heavily on the show. Trump, as we know, yesterday,
29:15
Speaker 2: threatened to sue will Now. He has said that he
29:18
Speaker 2: has an obligation to take legal action.
29:21
Speaker 3: Have a look.
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Speaker 12: They actually changed my January sixth speech, which was a
29:25
Speaker 12: beautiful speech, which was a very calming speech, and they
29:28
Speaker 12: made it sound radical and they actually changed it. What
29:32
Speaker 12: they did was rather incredible. So they're showing me the
29:35
Speaker 12: results later on the results of what they did, how
29:37
Speaker 12: they butchered it up. But it was very dishonest and
29:40
Speaker 12: the headman quit and a lot of the other people.
29:42
Speaker 17: We're actually going to play it, but tonight you are saying.
29:44
Speaker 3: To our viewers that you will go forward.
29:47
Speaker 13: And file a defamation lawsuit against the BBC.
29:50
Speaker 12: Well, I think I have an obligation to do it,
29:52
Speaker 12: because you can't get people, you can't allow people to
29:55
Speaker 12: do that.
29:57
Speaker 2: Tom, what do you think about that you've written about
30:00
Speaker 2: this topic in your column. A lot of people have
30:03
Speaker 2: been frustrated with the BBC bias, just like they are
30:06
Speaker 2: with the ABC buys here, but very few who have
30:09
Speaker 2: the power the money to take action. Pretty good that
30:12
Speaker 2: the President is in that position and that he is
30:16
Speaker 2: holding them to account.
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Speaker 16: And I suppose I should say that, as someone who
30:20
Speaker 16: is compelled to pay that BBC license Fie, I'd rather
30:22
Speaker 16: not see a penny of it spent on trying to
30:25
Speaker 16: make up for the BBC's mistakes. But you're absolutely right
30:27
Speaker 16: that the White House have put the BBC on the
30:30
Speaker 16: defensive rightly so people can say that this is a
30:34
Speaker 16: leader of a foreign government meddling with our internal affairs,
30:37
Speaker 16: but they did lie about him. And whilst I hope
30:39
Speaker 16: this is resolved with an apology rather than a lawsuit,
30:42
Speaker 16: which seems to be what Trump is requesting before he
30:45
Speaker 16: proceeds with that mitigation, it still comes down to the
30:49
Speaker 16: fact that they lied, they manipulated footage. This wasn't a
30:52
Speaker 16: slip up, This was an attempt to misrepresent someone because
30:55
Speaker 16: as we all know, the people who work at the
30:57
Speaker 16: BBC don't have a lot of time for Donald Trump,
30:58
Speaker 16: so of course it was going to invite this kind
31:00
Speaker 16: of reaction.
31:01
Speaker 2: This is just one example, though, I mean, can you
31:03
Speaker 2: tell us a bit about how the BBC pushes its
31:07
Speaker 2: own propaganda and agenda.
31:11
Speaker 16: I'm so glad you asked that, Charry, because one thing
31:13
Speaker 16: that's got lost in all of this is that this
31:14
Speaker 16: is not just about one documentary about Donald Trump. The
31:17
Speaker 16: memo which those allegations were in is full of examples,
31:21
Speaker 16: even more egregious BBC Arabic Service giving hundreds of appearances
31:26
Speaker 16: to open anti Semites in their coverage of Israel and Gaza.
31:30
Speaker 16: An LGBTQ plus team at the BBC, there is such
31:34
Speaker 16: a thing that was supposedly actively censoring stories about the
31:38
Speaker 16: gender issue, making sure that detransitioners and dissenters weren't on
31:42
Speaker 16: the air even BBC verified them. Anti Misinformation Unit at
31:45
Speaker 16: the BBC had to have its first big investigation, which
31:48
Speaker 16: was into supposedly racist car insurance prices taken down a
31:53
Speaker 16: very rare step because the data was so shoddy and
31:56
Speaker 16: it couldn't prove the claims that it was attempting to make.
31:58
Speaker 16: So from top to bottom, issues to issue, this isn't
32:01
Speaker 16: about Donald Trump. This is about an agenda that is
32:03
Speaker 16: being pushed almost without the people who are pushing it
32:05
Speaker 16: knowing that that's what they're doing. So this is not
32:07
Speaker 16: just about one edit. It goes the rot runs a
32:09
Speaker 16: hell of a lot deeper.
32:11
Speaker 2: I have to say Chris Kenny has been doing a
32:13
Speaker 2: terrific job only show this week of covering the similarities
32:19
Speaker 2: with the BBC's bias and the ABC's bias here in Australia.
32:23
Speaker 3: I'm sure you know some of.
32:24
Speaker 2: It, but it's nearly identical that Green Left agenda. Even
32:29
Speaker 2: if each individual story technically will pass, you know, a
32:33
Speaker 2: balance test, it's the stories they choose to pursue, the
32:38
Speaker 2: people they choose to platform to interview, and the narrative
32:42
Speaker 2: is clear to anyone who looks at it, and they're
32:45
Speaker 2: being very sensitive and defensive. The ABC executives in pushing
32:50
Speaker 2: back at some of the things Chris Kenny has exposed,
32:53
Speaker 2: including the same speech from January sixth, of Donald Trump
32:58
Speaker 2: where they removed the exact same part. I mean they
33:02
Speaker 2: cut back in on a different section, but they removed
33:04
Speaker 2: the same part, So the same misleading practices. We'll see
33:08
Speaker 2: if there's any accountability here. I'm not confident anyway, Tom Slater,
33:12
Speaker 2: thank you very much for joining me. Still to come,
33:16
Speaker 2: Violence erupts at a turning point to USA event. Kosher
33:20
Speaker 2: Gata has the details and Azio's latest warning to business
33:25
Speaker 2: that's coming up. Let's return to tonight's top story. The
33:33
Speaker 2: Liberals are set to dump net zero tomorrow after today's
33:37
Speaker 2: marathon meeting where every Liberal had their say. And I'm
33:40
Speaker 2: Joe now by national MP Michael McCormack. Michael, good to
33:44
Speaker 2: see you. Thank you very much for your time. So
33:47
Speaker 2: the Liberals are still fiercely divided. While the majority support
33:52
Speaker 2: dumping net zero, there are still seventeen moderate MPs who.
33:56
Speaker 3: Are fiercely are fiercely.
33:59
Speaker 2: Backing the net zero targets. I spoke to some of
34:01
Speaker 2: them this afternoon. In my view, this indicates that the
34:05
Speaker 2: internal division will continue. The fact that they feel so
34:09
Speaker 2: strongly about net zero, do you think it's going to
34:11
Speaker 2: be harder to fight the next election with the disunity
34:15
Speaker 2: we're seeing playing play out publicly with the liberals.
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Speaker 18: Well, it's November twenty twenty five, Sherry, and the next
34:23
Speaker 18: selection is not due until twenty twenty eight, and so
34:27
Speaker 18: let's see where we can go in the intervening period.
34:30
Speaker 18: It's a long time until the next selection. There's going
34:33
Speaker 18: to be a lot of poles, there's going to be
34:34
Speaker 18: a lot of water pass under the bridge. Indeed, there's
34:37
Speaker 18: going to be a lot of coal dug up and
34:38
Speaker 18: iron all dug up, a extported overseas. So let's wait
34:42
Speaker 18: and see. We live in a democracy where majority rules
34:46
Speaker 18: and majority wins. And so those liberals, those moderates who
34:50
Speaker 18: think that it's a good idea to hang on to
34:53
Speaker 18: this policy, or to visit the river and are electorate
34:56
Speaker 18: and talk to some of the farmers who have been
34:58
Speaker 18: carpet bombed lately with windows. They need to talk to
35:02
Speaker 18: some of the volunteer firefighters who are worried about putting
35:04
Speaker 18: out the fires from battery energy storage systems, the toxicity
35:08
Speaker 18: of those flames, and they should talk to some people
35:11
Speaker 18: for whom solo factories are becoming a blight on the
35:16
Speaker 18: landscape because they're taking up so much of the previously
35:19
Speaker 18: pristine arable farmland in this nation, and then they might
35:23
Speaker 18: just change their minds.
35:26
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of speculation about the leadership and
35:29
Speaker 2: the coalition and do you expect, as a former leader yourself,
35:34
Speaker 2: that both Susan Lee and David Little Proud will be
35:37
Speaker 2: the leadership team that take you to the next election.
35:42
Speaker 18: Well, I hope so, because David Little Proud has certainly
35:45
Speaker 18: led from the front in this regard and the National
35:48
Speaker 18: Party once again has shown the way. We showed the
35:51
Speaker 18: way on the voice, we showed the way on nuclear
35:54
Speaker 18: and we've certainly had our say first in relation to
35:58
Speaker 18: net zero. Matt Canavan, of course, has been championing this
36:03
Speaker 18: from day dot. Susan Lee has been the leader of
36:06
Speaker 18: the Liberal Party for six months. So let's give us
36:09
Speaker 18: some clear air. Let's allow the Shadow Cabinet to meet
36:13
Speaker 18: in the morning. Let's see the press conference tomorrow at
36:16
Speaker 18: midday where Susan Lee and Dan teen and no doubt
36:20
Speaker 18: others too will clearly articulate, articulate where they see the
36:26
Speaker 18: coalition going forward. And we'll certainly wait for all of
36:30
Speaker 18: those announcements and pronouncements and Regional Australia and indeed, all
36:35
Speaker 18: of Australia will know that we're not going to do
36:37
Speaker 18: industrialized Australia. We're not going to send our jobs overseas.
36:41
Speaker 18: We're going to have a manufacturing base here. But most
36:43
Speaker 18: importantly for your viewers, we're going to address the crisis
36:49
Speaker 18: with the energy bills. And it is a crisis, make
36:52
Speaker 18: no mistake, it is an absolute crisis. Every quarter when
36:55
Speaker 18: people open their bills, they should see bones face because
36:59
Speaker 18: the price is now forty percent higher than what they
37:02
Speaker 18: were when Labor took office in May twenty twenty two.
37:04
Speaker 18: And that is a tragedy that it is impoverishing pensioners,
37:08
Speaker 18: it's making people sleeping cars, and it's making everyday household
37:12
Speaker 18: budgets that much more difficult to adjust and it's just
37:17
Speaker 18: not right in a country we should be blessed with
37:20
Speaker 18: cheap energy.
37:22
Speaker 2: Look, it's extraordinary when you hear Chris Bowen in Parliament
37:26
Speaker 2: in question time on a regular basis saying that the
37:29
Speaker 2: wholesale prices are coming down. When everyone who opens their
37:34
Speaker 2: electricity bill and pays it know that it doesn't matter
37:37
Speaker 2: what the wholesale prices are doing. The retail prices it's
37:40
Speaker 2: going up. And this is obviously what Andrew Hurst's research
37:44
Speaker 2: showed that people are very, very worried about cost. I
37:48
Speaker 2: think we're just about out of time, so I was
37:49
Speaker 2: going to quickly ask you about one of the guiding
37:52
Speaker 2: principles is that you are still committed as a coalition
37:55
Speaker 2: to lowering emissions, but it's the priority is now affordability.
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Speaker 18: Michael, can we work with other nations. I spoke to
38:05
Speaker 18: Matt Canavan tonight actually, and we'll still work with other
38:08
Speaker 18: nations to play our part to do what we need
38:10
Speaker 18: to do in the international area, as far as on
38:15
Speaker 18: the international stage, as far as making sure that we
38:17
Speaker 18: lower emissions, and this is important. We need to play
38:21
Speaker 18: our part as a global player, but we're not going
38:25
Speaker 18: to do it at the expense of everyday ordinary mister
38:28
Speaker 18: and missus average Australia, at the expense of farmers, at
38:32
Speaker 18: the expensive factory operators, at the expensive manufacturing, the expense
38:36
Speaker 18: of Australia. We need to play our part in this
38:39
Speaker 18: area of global economics and global politics, but we're going
38:44
Speaker 18: to do it at the expense of stending this country
38:47
Speaker 18: broke and sending the people who rely on us to
38:49
Speaker 18: do the job for them broke. Yes, we have to
38:52
Speaker 18: obviously look after the climate, of course we do, but
38:54
Speaker 18: we're not going to send Australia break in trying to
38:57
Speaker 18: achieve that.
38:58
Speaker 3: All right, Michael McCormack, appreciate your time. Thank you so much.
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Speaker 18: AK Sharing total.
39:03
Speaker 3: Still to come.
39:04
Speaker 2: The Azo bus reveals the real threat China poses to
39:07
Speaker 2: business and infrastructure, and the US shutdown crisis is coming
39:12
Speaker 2: to an end. Finally, we'll get the latest on that
39:14
Speaker 2: and the violent scenes at a turning point event with
39:17
Speaker 2: Koshergarta next.
39:22
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
39:23
Speaker 2: We'll in major news the US government's longest shutdown is
39:27
Speaker 2: coming to an end. Eight Democrats broke ranks to put
39:30
Speaker 2: the crisis to its final end and joining me now
39:34
Speaker 2: Sky News contributor Koshigata Kosher, I mean, this has been
39:39
Speaker 2: a crisis, to say the least, over two thousand flights
39:42
Speaker 2: counseled on Sunday alone. This has been so problematic. Tell
39:47
Speaker 2: us what's happened over the past twelve hours.
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Speaker 11: The longest shutdown in history forty one days. The second
39:55
Speaker 11: longest was thirty five days in Trump's first term. Probably
39:58
Speaker 11: no coincidence there, because it's a very divided government and
40:02
Speaker 11: people have dug in. I think The issue here is,
40:04
Speaker 11: as you say, it is the Democrats ultimately that had
40:07
Speaker 11: to quote unquote cave and they did. Those eight of
40:10
Speaker 11: them broke ranks. They represent moderate to in some cases
40:14
Speaker 11: been slightly right leaning constituencies, so they are more vulnerable politically,
40:19
Speaker 11: and that probably is what ended up causing them to
40:22
Speaker 11: defect from their ranks over there. But that doesn't mean
40:25
Speaker 11: that the Republicans didn't get out scott free because things
40:28
Speaker 11: like air traffic control shortages and other things, and it
40:31
Speaker 11: was starting to hurt the everyday person. And then healthcare
40:35
Speaker 11: subsidies that was one of the sticking points in this fight.
40:37
Speaker 11: That's a carryover from Obamacare now two decades ago. But
40:41
Speaker 11: those prices are actually going to start hitting people's pocketbooks
40:44
Speaker 11: now that is going to hurt the party in power,
40:46
Speaker 11: which is the Republican. So these things just in general
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Speaker 11: hurt everybody, hurt the government in power. Is just a
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Speaker 11: reminder of the inefficiency and the gridlock that we have
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Speaker 11: in Washington. But unfortunately that is what it is.
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Speaker 3: Mmmmm.
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Speaker 2: Now, I also want to turn to this violence at
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Speaker 2: the Turning Point USA event. This was at the University
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Speaker 2: of Berkeley, ambushed by protests left wing agitators, that it
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Speaker 2: turned violent, there were brawls between police and the protesters.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a look at this because attendees of the
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Speaker 2: Turning Point event were also heckled. Now coach of this
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Speaker 2: is obviously particularly troubling because it's only a few weeks ago,
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Speaker 2: maybe a month or so ago, that Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
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Speaker 3: It is.
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Speaker 11: It definitely puts a different light on this. I think
41:52
Speaker 11: it was two months ago and the wound is still
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Speaker 11: fresh in everybody's minds, and you know, people will say that, okay,
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Speaker 11: it's free speed and you have the right to protest
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Speaker 11: as vile as some of those comments were, and there
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Speaker 11: were racial epithets and you know, calling Turning Point fascist
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Speaker 11: and other people went on camera and talked about how
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Speaker 11: vile Charlie was and all the rest of it. But
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Speaker 11: when obviously it turns violent, that's an issue. The other
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Speaker 11: bigger story here is that the reporting is that it
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Speaker 11: was Antifa organized. Again, that of course, is the organization
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Speaker 11: that the Trump administration is designated as a domestic organization,
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Speaker 11: which opens up other statutes potentially going after criminal at
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Speaker 11: the civil level, criminal conspiracies of how they organize and
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Speaker 11: the fact that it's not a both sides problem. These
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Speaker 11: assaults tend to be really coming more from one side
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Speaker 11: against the right side of politics for the most part.
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Speaker 11: And so that's the thing that I think will be interesting.
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Speaker 11: And Hermie Dillon, who's the head of the Civil Rights
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Speaker 11: Division in the US government right now in a dj
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Speaker 11: is the one who's actually she sued in her private
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Speaker 11: capacity Berkeley before for allegedly not being prepared enough and
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Speaker 11: equally prepared to defend and attendees and guests of conservative
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Speaker 11: events as opposed to other speakers. And it sounds like
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Speaker 11: she's alleging that that's potentially what may have happened here
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Speaker 11: again because they had advanced notice about this and were
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Speaker 11: they deliberately underprepared to prevent this kind of thing from happening.
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Speaker 11: So she and her department are investigating that, and we
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Speaker 11: shall see how that unfolds.
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Speaker 3: Coach you just quickly before you go.
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Speaker 2: I've been really appalled to see and this has actually
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Speaker 2: become quite a big global issue that Tucker Carlson, who's
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Speaker 2: got one of the now the most popular podcasts around
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Speaker 2: the world, has platformed a holocaust denier now normalizing those views.
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Speaker 2: Now he hasn't been canceled. Meghan Kelly just had him
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Speaker 2: on her tour. This is really worrying to me, the
43:48
Speaker 2: normalization of this extreme hate.
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Speaker 11: Yes, you're putting your finger on something that is a
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Speaker 11: bright red line right now, on the right side of
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Speaker 11: the isle in American politics, for sure. And all of
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Speaker 11: that is happening in real time that you mentioned the
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Speaker 11: people Tucker is hosting and Megan Kelly having her tour
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Speaker 11: and getting asked questions around that again and again, and
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Speaker 11: I think what it's doing is really bringing the freedom
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Speaker 11: of speech argument kind of like what we just talked
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Speaker 11: about in the earlier topic as well to four, because
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Speaker 11: where that civil war is happening on the right is
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Speaker 11: there are people who staunchly protect believe in free speed,
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Speaker 11: absolutism and the right for anybody to interview anybody and
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Speaker 11: conduct the interview in any manner that they wish and
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Speaker 11: let the marketplace of ideas sift out which ones are
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Speaker 11: vile and which ones are meritorious. And then there are
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Speaker 11: others who say we shouldn't be wasting our time even
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Speaker 11: doing that. So I think that fight is brewing, and
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Speaker 11: it's even more amplified because these are very big voices.
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Speaker 11: They are very important voices, the likes of Tucker and
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Speaker 11: Megan Kelly and the discourse. They have big platforms, tens
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Speaker 11: of millions of doors, and so that's yeah, that's dangerous enough.
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Speaker 2: But with the problem is we know takakas and is
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Speaker 2: totally naughty, So you know him doing this interview is
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Speaker 2: one thing, but then Meghan Kelly not canceling him and
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Speaker 2: platforming him inexcusable, unforgivable, disgusting, disgusting, Koshagada, thank you so much.
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Speaker 3: Still to come.
45:14
Speaker 2: Asio's warning about the threat from China to our infrastructure
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Speaker 2: that's next.
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Speaker 11: Well.
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Speaker 2: Today, ASIO Director General Mike Burgess has warned of the
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Speaker 2: dangers of Chinese state backed hackers infiltrating Australia's critical infrastructure,
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Speaker 2: including our airports and our telecommunications networks.
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Speaker 19: ASIO is aware of one nation state and no prize
45:42
Speaker 19: is for guessing who conducting multiple attempts to scan and
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Speaker 19: penetrate critical infrastructure in Australia and other five vised countries,
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Speaker 19: targeting water, transport, telecommunications and energy networks. This reconnaissance is
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Speaker 19: highly sophisticated, using top notch tradecraft to find your networks,
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Speaker 19: test for vulnerabilities, knock on the digital doors and check
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Speaker 19: the digital locks.
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Speaker 2: And joining me now is IPA Senior Fellow and chief
46:11
Speaker 2: economist Adam Crichton. Adam Mike Burgess also warned about the
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Speaker 2: cost to business of a cyber enabled sabotage that could
46:20
Speaker 2: cost the economy one point one billion dollars per incident.
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Speaker 2: Do you think this is something the business community needs
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Speaker 2: to take more seriously?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, certainly, Charity, that is true.
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Speaker 17: I mean, I think you said that espionage basically cost
46:34
Speaker 17: about twelve billion dollars last year alone.
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Speaker 6: So certainly it's already costing us a lot of money.
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Speaker 17: Businesses do need to take it seriously, and of course
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Speaker 17: the government needs to take it very seriously in terms
46:43
Speaker 17: of their funding allocations to AZO.
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Speaker 6: This is a serious threat.
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Speaker 17: I mean, it's very common, you know, talk about World
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Speaker 17: War three and so forth on the internet, but you
46:51
Speaker 17: know that war would not be anything like the First
46:54
Speaker 17: or Second World War.
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Speaker 6: Of course, it would be like, you know, these very
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Speaker 6: serious attacks.
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Speaker 17: On telecommunications or electricity, and it's pretty scary what could
47:03
Speaker 17: happen in extremists. I mean, just imagine even going with
47:05
Speaker 17: et electricity for a few days would cause an absolute
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Speaker 17: disaster and that is quite possible. We've already seen in
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Speaker 17: the US, for instance, and in other parts of the
47:14
Speaker 17: world where Chinese hackers, possibly Russian hackers.
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Speaker 6: Too, have been able to cause a lot of damage already.
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Speaker 17: And I think most critics say that they're actually better
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Speaker 17: at it than we are in the West.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he drew the comparison to the
47:27
Speaker 2: recent Optus outage and how much damage that caused just
47:32
Speaker 2: in a few hours. Adam, as youwerys might have noticed,
47:35
Speaker 2: you're in brennas Ares right now. Argentina's president has just
47:40
Speaker 2: won the midterm elections with a thumping majority. You've been
47:43
Speaker 2: interviewing senior members of his team there. What can you
47:47
Speaker 2: tell us about his style of politics, the economy, and
47:52
Speaker 2: what you.
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Speaker 3: Think the Liberal party here can learn from it.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, well, look, it's been an extraordinary economic experiment. Here's
47:58
Speaker 17: the funniest thing, Sharry, I think was talking to one
48:01
Speaker 17: of the energy ministers here and I said, look, you know.
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Speaker 6: WA's your net zero plan? What's your emissions plan? And
48:06
Speaker 6: he said, look, I think we have one, but I
48:08
Speaker 6: don't know what it is. And I don't really care
48:10
Speaker 6: because they are not concerned about that.
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Speaker 17: They are concerned about economic growth and boosting the wealth
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Speaker 17: of the country.
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Speaker 6: They're not concerned with the mission.
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Speaker 17: So you know, the government can forget Argentina when it's
48:21
Speaker 17: you know, when it's making its assumptions about who's doing what.
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Speaker 17: The biggest lesson I think for Australia is that you
48:28
Speaker 17: can cut spending by a huge amount. I mean, in
48:30
Speaker 17: the first few months of his term just two years
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Speaker 17: ago he cut federal spending by a third, So in
48:36
Speaker 17: the Australian context, that's two hundred and fifty billion dollars
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Speaker 17: gone in two months, right roughly. And the economy is
48:42
Speaker 17: booming five percent growth this year, six percent growth next year.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, and Adam, no one here seems to have the
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Speaker 2: appetite for cutting spending, sorry for cutting spending at all.
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Speaker 3: All right, I'm so sorry.
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Speaker 2: We're out of time. We'll get more from you next week.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow at eight. And right now, here's
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Speaker 2: James McPherson.