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UK Column News - 26th May 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. Today is Monday, the twenty sixth of May
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK
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Speaker 1: Column News. I'm your host Brian Gerrish with me in
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Speaker 1: the studio, Ben Rubin. We're delighted to have Diane Rasmus
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Speaker 1: and Mucandi joining us from the North of England. Now,
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Speaker 1: if the general public in UK were not aware, it
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Speaker 1: was a weekend of major strife and upheaval with a
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Speaker 1: national strike which hit a number of cities. This was
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Speaker 1: really incredible stuff and major events happened in Plymouth and Ben,
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Speaker 1: you were there.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, I was, yes, great to be here. So police
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Speaker 2: reported a tense, challenging, insensitive day over the weekend on Saturday,
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Speaker 2: as a wave of anti government protests and counter protests
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Speaker 2: were staged in towns and cities around the UK. And
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Speaker 2: I think staged is probably a good way to describe it.
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Speaker 2: I went down to Plymouth to take a look for myself. Hello,
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Speaker 2: it's Ben Rubin from UK Column in Plymouth. And a
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Speaker 2: few days ago, Devon Live shared a story about an
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Speaker 2: upcoming protest which is happening today being organized by a
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Speaker 2: national strike movement protesting against the labor government, it's got
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Speaker 2: a bunch of demands, it's got an agenda, bit of
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Speaker 2: a manifesto, and they're going to be out on the
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Speaker 2: street protesting. Interestingly, there is a counter protest which just
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Speaker 2: happens to have been organized for the exact same time,
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Speaker 2: and the counter protest is coming out, one would have
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Speaker 2: to guess on the side of the government, and that
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Speaker 2: one's been organized by a bunch of unions, including Unison
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Speaker 2: organizations like Stand Up to Racism I've spoken about previously
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Speaker 2: on the column, which is headed up by people like
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Speaker 2: Diane Abbott, the long time labor MP. And I think
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Speaker 2: there's something a little bit fishy going on here. Where
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Speaker 2: do these protests come from, what are they actually for,
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Speaker 2: who's behind them, and what's going to happen on the
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Speaker 2: ground today in Plymouth.
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Speaker 3: Let's find out interesting observations, Ben, and I think you'll
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Speaker 3: spot on something very strange.
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Speaker 1: What did you discuss?
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Speaker 2: Something very strange going on? A protest and the counter
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Speaker 2: protest all conveniently organized at the same time. This Devin
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Speaker 2: Live article that I mentioned in that little piece there
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Speaker 2: is how I came across this, but it's been all
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Speaker 2: across social media. Police prepare for national strike in Plymouth
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Speaker 2: this Saturday. Concerns have been raised of a repeat of
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Speaker 2: last summer's disorder. That's referring to some low level violence
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Speaker 2: and a few arrests that were made on August the
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Speaker 2: fifth last year, which is in the immediate aftermath of
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Speaker 2: the Southport killings. There were lots of protests all around
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Speaker 2: the country, including the Walthamstone protest which I reported on,
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Speaker 2: which was actively, if not arranged by then, certainly led
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Speaker 2: by stand Up to Racism. As are going to get
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Speaker 2: into a little bit later on in the piece, but
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Speaker 2: let's have a look here at back to the article.
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Speaker 2: There's a bit of description about this national strike. A
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Speaker 2: quote from the organizers the people of the UK are
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Speaker 2: under attack from the very people elected to service. I
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Speaker 2: have so that I agree with that. They say, let
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Speaker 2: our government, local councils and judiciary know that we are
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Speaker 2: great Britain. So this is a patriotic message. There is
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Speaker 2: discussion or illegal immigration, demands to leave the European Court
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Speaker 2: of Human Rights, the cancellation of net zero, the scrapping
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Speaker 2: of inheritance tax, the demand for the government to release
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Speaker 2: all documentation with regards to the Pakistani rap gang, inquiry,
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Speaker 2: calls for freedom of speech provisions for the UK to
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Speaker 2: prevent beliefs and opinions being criminalized. I think a lot
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Speaker 2: of this stuff is it's fairly reasonable, to be honest
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Speaker 2: with you. It also says, by coincidence, these are consistently
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Speaker 2: the talking points by MPs and councilors belonging to Reform
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Speaker 2: and previously UKIP as well as conservative MPs. This has
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Speaker 2: very much been positioned on the right wing. This is
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Speaker 2: the national strike, anti government protest.
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Speaker 1: Can I be a bit tough for Ben and say
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Speaker 1: to me, this is anybody who's actually challenging the government
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Speaker 1: quite rightly in these areas is now going to be
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Speaker 1: smeared with activities by this unknown group of people. That's
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Speaker 1: my take.
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Speaker 2: That's certainly what it feels like. There's also some quite
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Speaker 2: inflammatory language in there. So actually it talks about justice
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Speaker 2: for an estimated and million plus little girls with the
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Speaker 2: Pakistani rape gangs. I think that's probably overestimating it. I
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Speaker 2: think it certainly tends maybe hundreds of thousands, and I'm
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Speaker 2: not diminishing that at all, right, but actually they've they've
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Speaker 2: they've over engineered that statistic a little bit, I think,
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Speaker 2: And also there's again just this focus on the Pakistani
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Speaker 2: rape game issue, which certainly is an issue, but actually
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Speaker 2: this is a much broader problem. Right, So there's a
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Speaker 2: lot of stuff in here that actually I think that
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Speaker 2: I would agree with, but then actually it feels like
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Speaker 2: they've overdone it in certain areas and actually I'm a
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Speaker 2: little bit suspicious about why they might want to do that,
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Speaker 2: to be honest with you. We'll come back to that
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Speaker 2: as we go along. Who's behind this? So is this organization,
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Speaker 2: the Great British National Strike, which is run by a
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Speaker 2: former soldier called Richard Donaldson. And this just popped up
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Speaker 2: in August last year, all right, So we got this
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Speaker 2: relatively new, relatively unknown organization which is just somehow managed
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Speaker 2: to organize a network of protests all around the UK.
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Speaker 2: So there were three in Devon and Cornwall alone. I
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Speaker 2: think we had a talkie Exeter, Plymouth, and then there's
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Speaker 2: have been going all around the country Lincoln, Norwich, Swansea, Manchester,
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Speaker 2: Edinburgh and actually apparently there's some stuff been going on
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Speaker 2: internationally as well. The places Amsterdam. I've heard talk that
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Speaker 2: there was a similar thing happening on the same day
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Speaker 2: based around the same issues, not saying that all the
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Speaker 2: international stuff was necessarily organized by this organization. But there
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Speaker 2: does appear to be quite a lot of coordination happening
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Speaker 2: here around the supposedly organic street protests. Anyway, let's head
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Speaker 2: back to the article because as I said, there is
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Speaker 2: a counter protest as well. Really importantly, the counter protest,
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Speaker 2: as I mentioned in the film comes from Unison, so
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Speaker 2: this is a union backed thing, the National Education Union,
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Speaker 2: the RMT Plymouth Women's Network, So we're getting this kind
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Speaker 2: of gender based, intersectional perspective coming into this. And importantly
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Speaker 2: groups such as Stand Up to Racism, who we spoke
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Speaker 2: about again last year Diane Abbott was the president. This
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Speaker 2: is very closely linked into the top levels of the
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Speaker 2: labor government right up to cabinet, but also the kind
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Speaker 2: of historical anti fascist movement hope not hate, these kinds
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Speaker 2: of all oranizations right, and this sort of anti fascist
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Speaker 2: message was absolutely central, as you can see again here
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Speaker 2: on the piece. No fascists in Plymouth join the counter demo.
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Speaker 2: Far right groups online have called for demonstrations in cities
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Speaker 2: across the UK under the farstical banner of a national strike,
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Speaker 2: even though they're not backed by a union. Apparently there's
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Speaker 2: only unions you can strike, and apparently this strike is
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Speaker 2: in favor of at tax on immigrants in Asian communities,
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Speaker 2: tax exemptions for millionaire farmers, and climate change to ninn
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Speaker 2: conspiracy theories.
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Speaker 1: So I've got to say, this agenda to me is
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Speaker 1: being wound up by Devon Live. I wonder whether this
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Speaker 1: is a democracy reporter who's actually put this together. So
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Speaker 1: we've got unknown people who establish a supposedly nationwide demonstration,
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Speaker 1: then they're supported by bona fide organizations. How does that work?
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Speaker 1: And then they get massive coverage in Devon Live. If
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Speaker 1: this was just an event which have been created by
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Speaker 1: some of the let's say reform, would it have the
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Speaker 1: coverage and Devin Live that this event has got and
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Speaker 1: I would suggest no.
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Speaker 2: No, certainly not. And there was an ITV crew down
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Speaker 2: there and it's been on the BBC and it's been
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Speaker 2: pretty much blanket coverage actually right, So call me suspicious.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, the counter protest interestingly kicked off first, so
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Speaker 2: I went down to the city center and I had
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Speaker 2: a little look at what was going on. You can
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Speaker 2: see quite a bit of police presence there. This is
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Speaker 2: just after eleven o'clock in the morning on Saturday. Lots
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Speaker 2: of people who were sort of not quite coppers, so
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Speaker 2: the community people and private security, and you can see
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Speaker 2: all the flags are there, so units there, Unison, the
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Speaker 2: refugees welcome, stop the far right, banners from stand up
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Speaker 2: to racism. And there's a lot of people, about one
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Speaker 2: hundred people, and this crowd grow to about one hundred
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Speaker 2: and fifty two two hundred, A lot of people like
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Speaker 2: this fella here with a mask on and really not
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Speaker 2: wanting to have anyone see who he is. Actually, right,
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Speaker 2: there were quite a few people like that, and I
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Speaker 2: spoke to someone in the crowd. He said that they
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Speaker 2: had spoken to some people who were masked up who
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Speaker 2: come from out of town. Right, So actually I get
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Speaker 2: the sense that quite a few of these people are
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Speaker 2: not from Plymouth, although they are interestingly, given that this
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Speaker 2: is a counter process to the anti government protest. They
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Speaker 2: are actually quite down on Keir Starmer's There's a little
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Speaker 2: sign you can see there he says Starmer has blood
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Speaker 2: on his hands, which is absolutely correct. Might be a
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Speaker 2: little bit small on screen for some people, but down
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Speaker 2: the bottom in the center there you can see that,
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Speaker 2: and that's obviously to do with this. And these were
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Speaker 2: the two largest flags flying on the day. So you've
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Speaker 2: got the Palestinian flag on the left hand side there,
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Speaker 2: and then what I see is essentially the globalist flag, right.
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Speaker 2: That's what that flag is to me, that transgender LGBTQ flag.
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Speaker 2: That's about globalism ultimately. And the key thing for me
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Speaker 2: here is that you're not going to unite the British
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Speaker 2: people under those two flags. Those aren't our flags, right.
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Speaker 2: It's not to say that we don't care about guys there,
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Speaker 2: we don't care about Palestine, but if you're going to
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Speaker 2: try to create a united national movement to fix the country,
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Speaker 2: you've got to do it under your own flag ultimately, right,
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Speaker 2: really importantly, and that's not what these people do. Who
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Speaker 2: else was there? So this was the TUC Plymouth Trades
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Speaker 2: Union Council, who actually were established in eighteen ninety seven.
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Speaker 2: I know I said a minute ago that I think
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Speaker 2: quite a lot of these people from out of town
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Speaker 2: or their students and that kind of thing. There were
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Speaker 2: some routes here, right, So to give them their due.
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Speaker 2: This is an organization it's been in Plymouth, no doubt,
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Speaker 2: looking out for the wealth affair of working people for
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Speaker 2: a long time, right, So it wasn't just the case,
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Speaker 2: but they were also some of these kind of not
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Speaker 2: quite paramilitary groups, but certainly activist, anti fascist types and
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Speaker 2: the sorts of people that you get along with that, right.
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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of young men in groups with
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Speaker 2: masks looking quite uncomfortable, to be honest with you, right,
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Speaker 2: And then you've got a real sense with this lot,
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Speaker 2: and I'll get into it a bit more in a moment,
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Speaker 2: that actually they're quite intimidated, they're quite they're scared of
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Speaker 2: this sort of far right bogey man basically, and I
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Speaker 2: think that's driving a lot of the behavior that all
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Speaker 2: the messaging was being driven by essentially a ring leader.
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Speaker 2: So there's this guy here. I don't know who this is,
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Speaker 2: but i'd certainly like to found out find out, and
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Speaker 2: he was leading chance through the day. They were handing
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Speaker 2: out his leaflets. You know, this is all very very
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Speaker 2: well organized. To pull a few of these out so
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Speaker 2: we can have a look at them. The top one
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Speaker 2: was repeated a lot, saying we are many of you,
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Speaker 2: are few, we are plymouth? Who are you? And that
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Speaker 2: was all being directed to the opposition side, right, And
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Speaker 2: actually I see that as a provocation because actually, as
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Speaker 2: we'll come on to it a little bit later, the
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Speaker 2: people on the other side of the square that were
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Speaker 2: in the protest were Plymothians. You go and talk to
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Speaker 2: them and you can hear it, right, their accent was
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Speaker 2: a local accent. They're local people, They're concerned about the
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Speaker 2: future of the country. So I see this as a provocation,
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Speaker 2: not just that chart, but really a lot of the
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Speaker 2: behavior on the ground as well. Health and housing degradation
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Speaker 2: is not caused by immigration bs. I won't say the word,
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Speaker 2: but you know what I'm saying, come off it. The
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Speaker 2: enemy is profit. So there's a lot of this sort
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Speaker 2: of it's illogical, right, Health and housing degradation is not
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Speaker 2: caused by immigration. Well, it might not be the only
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Speaker 2: thing that causes it, but actually, if you load in
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Speaker 2: millions of additional people into the country, then the health
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Speaker 2: system is going to suffer. Housing is going to suffer,
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Speaker 2: it's going to degrade. So you're chanting things which just
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Speaker 2: aren't true. And then a really really heavy anti nationalists,
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Speaker 2: globalist message and no borders, no nations. Yeah, yeah, we're
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Speaker 2: going to they want to destroy the nation state. Brick
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Speaker 2: by brick wall by wall, racist, borders have to fall.
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Speaker 2: Borders a racist This is the position that we're being
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Speaker 2: presented with. That is a totally radical position. Yeah, there
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Speaker 2: is nothing mainstream about that really when you get into it.
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Speaker 2: All right, but we're being told that this is supposedly
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Speaker 2: the voice of Plymouth, the voice of the people of
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Speaker 2: the Southwest, and I'm not sure I buy it.
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Speaker 1: I think there's a good way of putting it. Ben
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Speaker 1: This demonstration, orchestrated by unknown people, is to tell us something.
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Speaker 1: It's to tell us how we should think. Yes, so
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Speaker 1: highly manipulative event, not only manipulating the people who attended,
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Speaker 1: but also the people who receive the message via the
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Speaker 1: word of mainstream press. There's something very devious going on.
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Speaker 2: Indeed there is. Yeah, now let's just have a little
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Speaker 2: listen to the chance. Got a quick video for you.
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Speaker 2: We are who are you?
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Speaker 4: We are?
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Speaker 5: We are? We are? We are many?
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Speaker 6: Who are you.
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Speaker 7: Are?
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Speaker 2: So they go, we are Plymouth, who are you? You're
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Speaker 2: the fascists, you're the Nazis? And who's he actually talking about? Well,
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Speaker 2: you look on the other side of the square when
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Speaker 2: that was happening. You basically got about twenty older ladies, grandmothers,
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Speaker 2: grandmothers who are concerned about what's going on in the country. Basically,
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Speaker 2: they're talking about the boats, they're talking about two tier justice,
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Speaker 2: they're talking about the issue of net zero. Lucy Connolly
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Speaker 2: was a name that came up a lot, and the
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Speaker 2: left wing the counter protesters are basically standing there screaming
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Speaker 2: at these people from the other side of the square
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Speaker 2: at eleven o'clock in the morning. You know, the tone
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Speaker 2: of it was remarkable, as I go on to describe
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Speaker 2: in this next little clip, So this is kind of mad. Actually,
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Speaker 2: it's basically what we've got is the anti bascists over there,
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Speaker 2: who are fairly numerous and very clearly quite well organized.
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Speaker 2: Lots of banners are leglets go on a microphone. Who's
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Speaker 2: leading this charm? And there's probably, i know, a couple
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Speaker 2: of hundred peopletops. And then on the other side of
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Speaker 2: the fountain you've got this the main protest, which hasn't
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Speaker 2: started yet. So this slot started at eleven and the
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Speaker 2: active protest is starting in midday supposedly, and under this
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Speaker 2: side of the fountain, we've got it's basically about twenty
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Speaker 2: people and they're all standing there looking quite the news.
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Speaker 2: By the whole thing, to be honest with you, and
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Speaker 2: the guy leading the chanting over there, I don't know
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Speaker 2: who that is. Basically, he's spent about five minutes explaining
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Speaker 2: to all of the people in his crowd that they
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Speaker 2: should be scared of the fascists, and then they need
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Speaker 2: to stay together so they don't get attacked, and then
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Speaker 2: to follow him thirty feet over there so that they
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Speaker 2: can basically stand there and shout at these other people.
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Speaker 2: And that's what they'll be doing for the bar st
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Speaker 2: five or ten minutes. So the crowd did get significantly
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Speaker 2: larger racially on the other side of the fountain, and
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Speaker 2: a lot more men turned up. The ladies were there early,
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Speaker 2: and but it was a really interesting mix of people.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't an organized group. Particularly they heard about this
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Speaker 2: on social media. They wanted to come out and basically
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Speaker 2: I would imagine have a bit of a discussion and
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Speaker 2: a debate about what's going on in the country, but
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Speaker 2: they were being prevented from doing that by just this
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Speaker 2: racket coming from the counter protest on the other side
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Speaker 2: of the square. And I had some great conversations a
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Speaker 2: couple of people who recognized me, a couple of UK
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Speaker 2: column viewers, came up to say hi. It was fantastic.
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Speaker 2: One of the things that I was slightly concerned about.
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Speaker 2: You can just see here the lady police. Is that
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Speaker 2: what I say that the police ladies just wogging around.
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Speaker 2: They were wearing cameras, right, and so it was always
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Speaker 2: in the back of my mind. Actually, a lot of
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Speaker 2: this is a data gathering exercise, right, and I think
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Speaker 2: that the people who've set this thing up essentially want
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Speaker 2: to see who comes out, how they behave and and
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Speaker 2: and get a load of information about what's happening in
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Speaker 2: the city ultimately, and it has been going on all around
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Speaker 2: the UK.
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Speaker 8: Now.
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Speaker 2: That was that was just five minutes into the start
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Speaker 2: of the protest. They carried on going with their chanting
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Speaker 2: for the next hour and a half. As I described
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Speaker 2: in this last little clip, that's not cool past one
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Speaker 2: and the anti fascists is anti fascist. They're still going.
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Speaker 2: They've just been They've been chanting for about an hour
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Speaker 2: and a half now, and you've got a bunch of
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Speaker 2: people on the other side of the fountain there. A
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Speaker 2: lot of them were just it's just not people concerned
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Speaker 2: about the direction of the country. Has some very interesting conversations.
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Speaker 2: People basically saying we're being governed by an international crime syndicate,
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Speaker 2: which I completely agree with, and we've got a lot
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Speaker 2: of concerns about what that international crime syndicate is doing
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Speaker 2: in the country. And that's all seems perfectly reasonable, but
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Speaker 2: there's no actual discussion going on because the anti fascists,
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Speaker 2: with their Stand Up to Racism banners and they're socialist
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Speaker 2: worker banners and all the kind of usual suspects, are
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Speaker 2: just shouting at people, which actually seems to be the
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Speaker 2: tone of national debate more broadly, doesn't it. People just
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Speaker 2: shouting at each other, and in the volume, no appreciation
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Speaker 2: for shared shared heritage, shared objectives, you know, any of
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Speaker 2: the things that would actually lead to useful progress in
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Speaker 2: the country. Now, obviously this has been presented by Stand
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Speaker 2: Up to Racism as some kind of great victory against
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Speaker 2: the far right. We can see here from the website
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Speaker 2: the far right Great British Strike has been seen off
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Speaker 2: by a determined anti racist resistance who just happen to
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Speaker 2: want to destroy the nation's state. That is their literal
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Speaker 2: stated positions what they're out there talking about. And what
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Speaker 2: about the National strike movement? Well Unn pulled this out
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Speaker 2: from Twitter, which I think speaks volumes. Actually this is
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Speaker 2: a bit of interaction here between an account called NECKI.
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Speaker 2: Another one of these nationalist accounts has popped up in
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Speaker 2: the last year or two saying when do you think
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Speaker 2: we will reach the stage of civil war in the UK?
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Speaker 2: The Great British National Strike group saying I feel like
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Speaker 2: it's imminent, right, So, actually, it strikes me that this
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Speaker 2: is part of this narrative and this attempt to spark
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Speaker 2: off civil conflict and unn good on them. So these
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Speaker 2: people are going to mark the Tommy Todd's at the
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Speaker 2: top of the hill and then run off, just watch,
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Speaker 2: and I think that that's probably fair to say screams
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Speaker 2: of psychological operation being run by the establishment, and it's
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Speaker 2: basically a direct attack on patriotic working class men and women.
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Speaker 2: That's the way that I took it. And interestingly, as
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Speaker 2: a final point, the Great British National Strike Twitter page
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Speaker 2: has just been taken down and we don't know what's
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Speaker 2: going on there, but I'm sure we'll find out more
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Speaker 2: as the week goes on.
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Speaker 1: Ben, thank you very much for that excellent summary of
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Speaker 1: events in Plymouth. We've taken quite a long time to
22:51
Speaker 1: cover this because we think it's so important because of
22:54
Speaker 1: course it wasn't just happening and hasn't just happened in Plymouth.
22:58
Speaker 1: It's happened in other cities as well. It's happened in
23:01
Speaker 1: Northern Ireland, and as many people are now beginning to think,
23:06
Speaker 1: is this type of event designed to not only demoralize
23:10
Speaker 1: people in the country but to destabilize communities. Meanwhile, we
23:17
Speaker 1: get the globalist agender pushed through and if you dare
23:22
Speaker 1: challenge it, you will some sort of right wing extremist.
23:26
Speaker 1: So we regard this as a very very dangerous precedence
23:31
Speaker 1: on the streets the UK and we're certainly going to
23:33
Speaker 1: be digging it into it more. If any of our
23:36
Speaker 1: viewers and listeners have information about who was behind who
23:40
Speaker 1: is behind these sorts of events, then please do let
23:43
Speaker 1: us know. Well, we're going to move on by going
23:47
Speaker 1: to another hot spot, this time on the global stage,
23:51
Speaker 1: and that's Ukraine, and surprisingly or not, emotions very high
23:57
Speaker 1: around Ukraine as well. Weekend we've had Trump supposedly calling
24:03
Speaker 1: Putin absolutely crazy as a result of the fact that the
24:06
Speaker 1: Russians unleashed another massive drone strike across Ukraine as a
24:11
Speaker 1: whole over the last couple of days and the Kremlin
24:15
Speaker 1: looking at the West and saying everything. Everybody's very emotional.
24:19
Speaker 1: So we've got bloodshed on a truly horrific scale in
24:24
Speaker 1: Ukraine continuing, but the West is deeply unhappy because their
24:28
Speaker 1: narrative is falling apart. Let's have a look at this
24:32
Speaker 1: interview clip with Colonel Douglas McGregor talking on how he
24:36
Speaker 1: sees Ukraine.
24:39
Speaker 8: My point is that the Upper River is a natural barrier.
24:43
Speaker 8: And I've said over and over and over again. I'm
24:45
Speaker 8: sure the Russian general staff, these are competent men. I'm
24:48
Speaker 8: sure they've said to the president, mister President, let's march
24:52
Speaker 8: to the river. Whatever we do, let us control everything
24:55
Speaker 8: east of the river that gives us a buffer zone
24:58
Speaker 8: against any future threats that may emanate from what remains
25:03
Speaker 8: of Ukraine, and let the rest of it go. After all,
25:07
Speaker 8: the Poles, Romanians, the Hungarians, probably the Lithuanians, the Moldovans,
25:12
Speaker 8: everybody is making claims on portions of western Ukraine. The
25:16
Speaker 8: Romanians would like to have bess Arabia back. Most of
25:20
Speaker 8: the people listening to us today don't even know what
25:22
Speaker 8: that is. My point is, this is a very old
25:25
Speaker 8: part of the world. We need to get out of it.
25:28
Speaker 8: It's not us. We know nothing about it, but everybody
25:33
Speaker 8: who lives in it and around it does know about it.
25:37
Speaker 8: They need to sort this out, and I can guarantee
25:40
Speaker 8: you that there's very little enthusiasm for crossing that Yepper
25:43
Speaker 8: River and moving further west. They don't want to do it. It's
25:47
Speaker 8: more trouble than it's worth. You end up with lots
25:49
Speaker 8: of people under your administrative control that hate you and
25:53
Speaker 8: always have because of that boundary that I just discussed,
25:56
Speaker 8: which has been valid for hundreds of years. So the
25:59
Speaker 8: bottom line is, let's stop the nonsense. President Trump, suspend
26:05
Speaker 8: all further aid to this Ukrainian disaster. Get out offered
26:11
Speaker 8: to host a conference. We can host it in Europe,
26:14
Speaker 8: we can host it anywhere they would like. Let them
26:16
Speaker 8: all come without us. By the way, we could have
26:19
Speaker 8: a representative it sits in and listens. But let the
26:23
Speaker 8: people that live in it and around it make the
26:25
Speaker 8: decision on where the new boundaries will be drawn and
26:29
Speaker 8: let it go. It's not us, it's not our country.
26:35
Speaker 1: Well, I wonder whether any reasonable person could disagree with
26:39
Speaker 1: what General McGregor had to say on that. I certainly
26:42
Speaker 1: couldn't disagree with anything, but the interview that that clip
26:46
Speaker 1: was part of, there were some other things which would discuss.
26:49
Speaker 1: Let's have a listen.
26:52
Speaker 9: Yeah, it could be that Trumps moving in that direction
26:54
Speaker 9: because he did say that the two sides are going
26:58
Speaker 9: to be the ones who are going to figure this
26:59
Speaker 9: part out. We are not going to So apparently he
27:01
Speaker 9: is out of the mediating business. We'll see if that
27:04
Speaker 9: continues to be the case. But what could be and
27:07
Speaker 9: not a stress could be motivating him and hopefully to
27:10
Speaker 9: make the very decision you just articulated, is because he's
27:13
Speaker 9: taken a look and things are literally starting to crumble
27:16
Speaker 9: on the battlefield. We've been talking about the possibility this
27:19
Speaker 9: for a long time, but there are more signs that
27:21
Speaker 9: something is afoot here. First of all, a week or
27:24
Speaker 9: so ago, the New York Times reported from the Institute
27:28
Speaker 9: for the Study of War, which sometimes has good numbers,
27:31
Speaker 9: even if their analysis is just hideous, but they said,
27:34
Speaker 9: over the previous sixteen months, the Russians had taken one
27:38
Speaker 9: eight hundred square kilometers from Ukraine. They don't even talk
27:41
Speaker 9: about in there how many troops that the Ukraine side
27:44
Speaker 9: had lost. But then they point out that in wars
27:46
Speaker 9: of attrition, incremental gains can presage a breakthrough if the
27:50
Speaker 9: losing side runs out of troops, ammunition and its defensive
27:53
Speaker 9: lines collapse. Now then we have in the last few
27:57
Speaker 9: days here the commander of the forty seventh Mechanized brig
28:00
Speaker 9: was resigned and then this is their premier mechanized Brigade,
28:04
Speaker 9: forty seventh. Because he said, these stupid decisions that these
28:08
Speaker 9: guys keep making that get us killed and don't even
28:11
Speaker 9: have a chance of success, he finally resigned in discussed.
28:15
Speaker 9: Then right after that the commander of the fifty ninth
28:18
Speaker 9: Brigade was fired because and when you read down into
28:22
Speaker 9: the details, it's not just that he didn't do a
28:25
Speaker 9: good job.
28:26
Speaker 2: It's that in the.
28:26
Speaker 9: Pokrowsk area that Julian Rukier was showing just a second ago,
28:30
Speaker 9: he had a tactical redeployment of his troops from an
28:33
Speaker 9: unfavorable position to a favorable position, but it was a
28:37
Speaker 9: little bit further back, and so almost like a Hitler
28:41
Speaker 9: top deal the Ukraine leadership with Serski, and then of
28:44
Speaker 9: course Zelenski says not one inch, No, you can't reemploy anywhere,
28:48
Speaker 9: even if it makes sense.
28:52
Speaker 1: So more detail the disaster on the battlefield for Ukraine.
28:57
Speaker 1: And this is this is the correct situation on the
29:02
Speaker 1: battlefield at the moment, and this is the reason why
29:07
Speaker 1: the West at the moment is so uncertain in reporting
29:10
Speaker 1: they dare report what is actually happening on the battlefield.
29:14
Speaker 1: Are the Russians taking losses? Absolutely? Are they continuing to
29:19
Speaker 1: move forward? Absolutely? So let's contrast that opinion with how
29:25
Speaker 1: the West likes to project what's happening on the battlefield.
29:29
Speaker 1: And we've got a little clip here with General Ben
29:32
Speaker 1: Hodges and Times Radio. Hello, and welcome to friend line
29:37
Speaker 1: for Times Radio with me Khbo and we are joined
29:39
Speaker 1: today by senior retired American general, Lieutenant General Ben Hodges.
29:45
Speaker 4: After eleven years of this war, with Russia having every advantage,
29:50
Speaker 4: they still onner control about eighteen percent of Ukraine and
29:54
Speaker 4: it's not getting any better. They do not have the
29:56
Speaker 4: ability to knock Ukraine out of the war. They don't
29:59
Speaker 4: have any massive breakthrough capabilities or some force that could
30:05
Speaker 4: exploit any penetration along the front lines. In fact, what
30:10
Speaker 4: we're seeing the Russians is just continuation of these meat
30:15
Speaker 4: whether Ukrainians referred to as meat assaults people on mopeds
30:19
Speaker 4: and motorcycles and east scooters and golf carts, and they're
30:24
Speaker 4: getting slaughtered. I mean they lost, according to British intelligence,
30:27
Speaker 4: almost four hundred thousand casualties last year for a gain
30:31
Speaker 4: of almost zero.
30:36
Speaker 2: The Traputins never said that he wants to control Ukraine.
30:40
Speaker 1: Absolutely. A key points at the West continually talking about
30:44
Speaker 1: Putin wanting to invade and take over the whole of Ukraine,
30:48
Speaker 1: when clearly that's not the reality. But this is the
30:51
Speaker 1: opinion that's consistently put across to the UK public and
30:55
Speaker 1: the American property. So we've got to get to the
30:58
Speaker 1: bottom of what's going on here are The fact is
31:01
Speaker 1: that Russia is moving forward on the battlefield. These are
31:05
Speaker 1: some more reports from the Kiev Independent. Russian troops have
31:09
Speaker 1: up the intensity of their denets or blast offensive in
31:12
Speaker 1: recent weeks, increasing increasingly pressure pressurizing a relatively large Ukrainian
31:18
Speaker 1: pocket between some of the last cities in the region.
31:22
Speaker 1: But these pockets are forming all over the Ukraine front.
31:25
Speaker 1: At the moment. Russian troops have been pushing forward towards
31:30
Speaker 1: Constantinifica from two directions, slowly closing in on the Ukrainian
31:35
Speaker 1: pocket west of Turetsk. This is not a stalled battlefield.
31:38
Speaker 1: This is a battlefield which is moving, and the Russians
31:41
Speaker 1: are moving forward, but the West doesn't want to report it.
31:45
Speaker 1: Ukrainian soldiers who spoke to the Kiev Independent often criticize
31:49
Speaker 1: their command to hold until the end, even if the
31:53
Speaker 1: positions would soon be overrun by Russian troops and the
31:57
Speaker 1: Ukrainians would be left without proper evacuation or orderly withdrawal.
32:01
Speaker 1: And this is the situation that's repeated, and of course
32:05
Speaker 1: the withdrawal is not orderly. This is when the Ukrainians
32:09
Speaker 1: take such huge losses. But who's reporting in any case
32:13
Speaker 1: from Ukraine. Well, here's the Kiev Independent. And if we
32:17
Speaker 1: have a look at the young journalist who wrote the article,
32:20
Speaker 1: I've just read those excerpts from Assami Terajima. Now, this
32:27
Speaker 1: young lady says that originally she was living in Russia
32:30
Speaker 1: with her family. They then moved to Ukraine. Her mum
32:34
Speaker 1: and dad now can't be in Ukraine, so they've moved
32:37
Speaker 1: to Poland. But she's still there reporting. She's very very young,
32:42
Speaker 1: and I was fascinated that when I have a look
32:44
Speaker 1: at her, she was apparently featured in the Media Development
32:48
Speaker 1: Foundations twenty five under twenty five Young and Bold list
32:53
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty three, And that's a list of emerging
32:57
Speaker 1: media makers in Ukraine. So let's have a look at
33:00
Speaker 1: a bit more detail. So there's a photo you can
33:03
Speaker 1: see how young she is, twenty one year old college
33:06
Speaker 1: student who's apparently now reporting factually on the wall on
33:11
Speaker 1: the battlefield, but who's in the background providing the support
33:16
Speaker 1: for these kind of young journalists that are spewing out
33:19
Speaker 1: the Western desired media. Well this one, you know, Ben,
33:24
Speaker 1: you've come across before, the Sagrid Rousing Trust.
33:27
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, Tetrapac, the people who make the milk cartons.
33:30
Speaker 1: Is that family just a family. Well that's a very
33:33
Speaker 1: interesting point, as we'll see in a minute. So it's
33:37
Speaker 1: saying here that the Rousing Trust has given the Media
33:40
Speaker 1: Development Foundation one hundred and twenty thousand in March twenty
33:44
Speaker 1: twenty two in response to the crisis in Ukraine. And
33:48
Speaker 1: if we have a looked at the Rousing Trust, we
33:51
Speaker 1: notice that it's got a strong open society's flavor. But
33:55
Speaker 1: this is where it gets fascinating. For a family foundation,
33:59
Speaker 1: they put out nine hundred plus grants since nineteen ninety five.
34:04
Speaker 1: Look at the sum of money they're dealing with, over
34:07
Speaker 1: a half a billion pounds available to help shape the
34:12
Speaker 1: media in Ukraine. So is this free media? I don't
34:16
Speaker 1: think so, There's something else going on. And if you
34:19
Speaker 1: also want a little take on the situation in Ukraine,
34:23
Speaker 1: this is the Kiev Post from back in April, the
34:26
Speaker 1: end of April, and they were reporting that Mike Waltz
34:31
Speaker 1: was saying information about Ukraine that wasn't true, so they'd
34:37
Speaker 1: fact checked it. US National Security Advisor at the time,
34:41
Speaker 1: Waltz pushes alternative facts on Ukraine. He said Ukraine is
34:46
Speaker 1: a disastrous, speed corrupt country in the oversight of US
34:50
Speaker 1: resources given to Ukraine is poorly tracked. He went on
34:54
Speaker 1: to say that Ukraine was one off and is one
34:57
Speaker 1: of the most corrupt countries in the world. Well, this
35:00
Speaker 1: was fact checked by the Kiev Post. It said the
35:04
Speaker 1: part about Ukraine being one of the world's most corrupt
35:07
Speaker 1: countries is false, and they went on to then say
35:11
Speaker 1: that according to Transparency International's twenty twenty four Corruptions Perceptions Index,
35:17
Speaker 1: corruption in Ukraine is mid range on a worldwide standard,
35:22
Speaker 1: and Ukraine has achieved the one hundred and fifth place
35:26
Speaker 1: from amongst one hundred and eighty countries, along with Serbia,
35:30
Speaker 1: Sandwich between Dominique and Republic, and Algeria. So if you
35:34
Speaker 1: want to see the site that came from here, it
35:36
Speaker 1: is with a list of countries on the let. Apparently
35:39
Speaker 1: Denmark came top of the Squeaky Clean list, but you'll
35:44
Speaker 1: have to look way down for UK here at number twenty.
35:49
Speaker 1: So is it all okay that we're providing all this
35:53
Speaker 1: help and support for a corrupt country to run a
35:57
Speaker 1: war where millions of men on both sides are being
36:01
Speaker 1: killed and maimed. It's pretty despicable. I think. I don't
36:06
Speaker 1: know whether you've got any comments on that organization, Ben,
36:09
Speaker 1: but I found it quite incredible that a family organization
36:12
Speaker 1: has got half a billion to hand out to help
36:16
Speaker 1: shake global journalism.
36:19
Speaker 2: Absolutely yes, and also what else are they into. We're
36:22
Speaker 2: going to have to come back to that another time.
36:23
Speaker 2: I'm also quite struck that the UK is only twentieth.
36:26
Speaker 2: I think we're more corrupt than that, but we do
36:27
Speaker 2: a good job of convincing people we are.
36:29
Speaker 1: Yes, that's absolutely true. Well, on that unhappy note, I
36:34
Speaker 1: think we need a little bit more concentration on who
36:36
Speaker 1: is doing what to try and help the country. So Diane,
36:39
Speaker 1: let's bring you in with us. You have been starting
36:42
Speaker 1: to really pay attention to who's out there in UK
36:45
Speaker 1: trying to do the right things. What have you got
36:48
Speaker 1: for us today?
36:51
Speaker 5: Thanks Brian, Hello Ben. It's really great to be here today.
36:54
Speaker 5: And I absolutely believe that if we don't start to
36:57
Speaker 5: act locally, we're not going to be able to fight
36:59
Speaker 5: against DUNDA, which I've said several times when I will
37:02
Speaker 5: say again. Yesterday I went out to a stand in
37:05
Speaker 5: the Park event in County Durham. It's a beautiful place
37:09
Speaker 5: until it started raining and we all left. But if
37:12
Speaker 5: anyone remembers stand in the Park events that started back
37:14
Speaker 5: when they locked us up a few years ago, this
37:17
Speaker 5: particular group in County Durham has been quite strong and
37:20
Speaker 5: has been going since August of twenty twenty one and
37:22
Speaker 5: they meet every Sunday. And so they were there, they
37:26
Speaker 5: were making breakfasts, having they offered me a cup of coffee.
37:29
Speaker 5: Soon showed up. There were several UK Column members who
37:33
Speaker 5: were there. They were wearing UK Column hats and later
37:36
Speaker 5: in the day, based on an invitation I received while
37:39
Speaker 5: I was there. In the morning, I went to one
37:41
Speaker 5: of the houses one of the members for coffee and
37:43
Speaker 5: it was really nice to see a copy of your
37:45
Speaker 5: Life in their hands, right there on his coffee table.
37:48
Speaker 5: So it was really great to see that they were
37:50
Speaker 5: so involved in UK column. So I've recorded an interview
37:54
Speaker 5: with one of the gentlemen who was at the meeting
37:57
Speaker 5: yesterday morning and his name is him Culture, And what
38:01
Speaker 5: he had been doing was he wrote letters too and
38:04
Speaker 5: ps asking about the issue of informed consent or obviously
38:08
Speaker 5: lack thereof, regarding the COVID jabs and what happened to him,
38:11
Speaker 5: So here's just a short clip of that interview.
38:15
Speaker 10: That he really didn't have ability to make the claim.
38:19
Speaker 10: So of course the whole business of the COVID debacle
38:22
Speaker 10: has been a lot of people making ludicrous claims and
38:26
Speaker 10: not being able to back it up with any actual
38:28
Speaker 10: real fat And so I then prost similar notice to
38:34
Speaker 10: the MP and the fact two notices the after that
38:39
Speaker 10: he didn't want to speak to me.
38:46
Speaker 5: So that sounds a bit familiar, doesn't it. And within
38:50
Speaker 5: this group there's another group called We the People Northeast,
38:53
Speaker 5: and they handed me a business card. They have a
38:55
Speaker 5: Rumble channel and the link to their channel will be
38:58
Speaker 5: in the show notes. They do what they because seeking
39:00
Speaker 5: the truth through insightful interviews. And so I looked at
39:04
Speaker 5: this channel and chose a clip of one of our
39:07
Speaker 5: favorite journalists. Let's see what he had to say to
39:09
Speaker 5: this group.
39:12
Speaker 6: Can I ask you both individually if you think there's
39:16
Speaker 6: one particular direction we should be concentrated on to actually
39:20
Speaker 6: get a message across to a problement about was about
39:25
Speaker 6: any of these sales? Which or which.
39:28
Speaker 1: Direction should we constantly on? The keys we should be
39:31
Speaker 1: talking about is the government's use of applied psychology on us? Yeah,
39:35
Speaker 1: because this is where the whole distortion of perception starts.
39:39
Speaker 1: In their document dated twenty ten, the Cabinet Office said,
39:43
Speaker 1: we can change the way people behave. That means think
39:48
Speaker 1: and behave and they will not necessarily know this has
39:53
Speaker 1: been done to them. Right now, it's scary if they
39:57
Speaker 1: use that type of deployed psychology or a ordinary member
40:00
Speaker 1: of the public. But what happens when they use that
40:03
Speaker 1: psychology on somebody they're going to use to train other people?
40:08
Speaker 1: Then you end up with a trainer who has themselves
40:11
Speaker 1: been affected by the technology, subjecting other people to another
40:16
Speaker 1: dose of psychology, but by a person who's not even
40:20
Speaker 1: the normal self right, So at each iteration the thing
40:24
Speaker 1: gets worse. And if I was just having a guess,
40:29
Speaker 1: I'm not guessing this is going on because the government's
40:31
Speaker 1: own documents said it was going on. And during lockdown,
40:35
Speaker 1: the Behavioral Insights Team is working inside the spy b
40:40
Speaker 1: system for the government, advising on the COVID road saying
40:44
Speaker 1: we need to make the public more frightened in order
40:48
Speaker 1: to increase lockdown. So the one to go for is
40:54
Speaker 1: the attack on our minds.
40:59
Speaker 5: And I know, Brian, we hear this from you quite often,
41:02
Speaker 5: and I think you're absolutely spot on. But I think
41:04
Speaker 5: it's really important to see that you could Column team
41:08
Speaker 5: members as well as people who pay per memberships and
41:11
Speaker 5: watch the UK column, that we're all getting it out
41:13
Speaker 5: and doing things and sharing the messages and more that
41:15
Speaker 5: we did as the mart We'll spread and I believe
41:17
Speaker 5: this is one of the ways that we can write back.
41:19
Speaker 5: And I don't know if you think, Brian.
41:22
Speaker 1: Well, it's knowing what you're fighting against is the key thing.
41:26
Speaker 1: Unless you know what you're fighting against and you can
41:29
Speaker 1: see it and identify it, you cannot fight it's that simple.
41:33
Speaker 1: And what we have been pushing for for so many
41:36
Speaker 1: years is that it's not a simple battle between good
41:42
Speaker 1: and bad people. We've got manipulation of perceptions as well.
41:46
Speaker 1: And as we're seeing with the protests that we've just
41:49
Speaker 1: started today's news with, was that a genuine protest created
41:54
Speaker 1: by people with genuine reasons to protest or is this
41:59
Speaker 1: something that's actually been created in order to change public
42:03
Speaker 1: perception of not only individual but viewpoints. And I would
42:07
Speaker 1: say it's the latter. So we've got to keep educating
42:11
Speaker 1: people as to what they're actually fighting and calling out
42:14
Speaker 1: people who are doing the wrong thing. And what is
42:17
Speaker 1: really dangerous is where we get lured into believing that
42:21
Speaker 1: a label of a group of people means that everybody
42:25
Speaker 1: under that label is bad. If your right wing, you're bad.
42:29
Speaker 1: That is never true for everybody. Similarly for left wing,
42:33
Speaker 1: it's not true for those supporting Israel, it's not true
42:38
Speaker 1: of people supporting Gaza. We have to look at what
42:43
Speaker 1: they are actually saying at any particular time, and we
42:46
Speaker 1: have to break out of this intense drive to lock
42:51
Speaker 1: us into the fact that you've got a label, and
42:54
Speaker 1: therefore everybody put under that label is bad and is
42:59
Speaker 1: doing the wrong thing. I don't know how else to
43:02
Speaker 1: explain that then, but I think it's a critical that
43:04
Speaker 1: thing for us.
43:05
Speaker 2: That is the critical point, right, it's the divide and
43:08
Speaker 2: rule left v right, men v women, black v white.
43:12
Speaker 2: That's what they're trying to embed and in trench and
43:15
Speaker 2: that's what will stop us from being successful.
43:18
Speaker 8: Right.
43:18
Speaker 1: But people have got to get out. They've got to
43:22
Speaker 1: be doing their very best to challenge what's going on.
43:25
Speaker 1: And that means in every reasonable way they can violence
43:30
Speaker 1: locks you into the state system. They want the violence.
43:34
Speaker 1: So non violent protests in every possible way is the
43:38
Speaker 1: right way to go.
43:39
Speaker 2: And if I might add discussion, because the overriding sense
43:44
Speaker 2: that I got from the event on Saturday was that
43:48
Speaker 2: people over there who were shouting at these people, actually
43:51
Speaker 2: they should just go and talk to them and they'd
43:53
Speaker 2: find they had a lot of a lot in common.
43:55
Speaker 1: Actually a lot more to talk about this. We can
43:58
Speaker 1: do more in extra after today's news, but let's first
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44:41
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44:52
Speaker 1: got very interesting that I'm sure will be a very
44:55
Speaker 1: interesting session from German Warfare. But Ben, you've also recently
45:01
Speaker 1: completed this interview with Dr David Miller and Vanessa Beeley.
45:06
Speaker 1: What have you been looking at here Ukraine and Israel?
45:10
Speaker 2: Looking at the historical and contemporary links between Israel and
45:14
Speaker 2: Ukraine and questioning as to whether they may actually be
45:17
Speaker 2: more closely aligned than most people realize. That's it coming
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Speaker 2: up tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so teaser there, Ben, thank you for that. But
45:25
Speaker 1: this is a really really interesting subject. The more you
45:29
Speaker 1: delve into Ukraine, the more you're coming up against the
45:33
Speaker 1: parent influence of Israel, and I think this is something
45:36
Speaker 1: that we need to lift the stone on if we're
45:40
Speaker 1: going to help the path to peace in Ukraine. We'll
45:43
Speaker 1: see what you have to say there now, Diane, You've
45:47
Speaker 1: also got Defensive Libraries here, which is another group working
45:53
Speaker 1: to challenge what's happening. What's happening for these events.
45:58
Speaker 5: Well, this is actually sponsored by the Buckingham Branch of
46:02
Speaker 5: Academics for Academic Freedom through Professor Dennis Hayes, and I
46:06
Speaker 5: will be speaking at this event. It says there why
46:08
Speaker 5: we need to challenge woke approaches if we are to
46:11
Speaker 5: preserve our libraries. This will be a talk that I've
46:14
Speaker 5: been invited to give on the twelfth of June at
46:16
Speaker 5: six pm. If you can get down to Buckingham Milton
46:19
Speaker 5: Keynes area, I'd love to see you there. Tickets are free, okay,
46:23
Speaker 5: thank you for that.
46:23
Speaker 1: And we've also got an objection to the geo engineering
46:27
Speaker 1: experiment experiments.
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Speaker 5: Yes, this is just a protest that's happening on the
46:33
Speaker 5: twenty first of June down in London, if you can
46:35
Speaker 5: get down there. And I thought this one was particularly
46:38
Speaker 5: worth of noticing because of friends of ours at the
46:41
Speaker 5: UK Column. Sonia Pulton as well as Mark Devlin will
46:44
Speaker 5: be two of the speakers there and we've been digging
46:47
Speaker 5: into quite a bit of geoengineering topics recently, which we
46:50
Speaker 5: will do later in the news as well. So just
46:52
Speaker 5: get down to Hyde Park if you can't the twenty
46:54
Speaker 5: first of June.
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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you for that. And as we've been reporting,
46:58
Speaker 1: we've got the Sounds Beautiful Festival June the twenty sixth
47:02
Speaker 1: of the twenty ninth in Wimborne, Dorset. We've got the
47:05
Speaker 1: Theptford Truth and Freedom Beer Festival Friday the eighteenth, nineteenth
47:11
Speaker 1: of July. And we've also got the Bank Holiday Weekend
47:17
Speaker 1: Freedom Music Festival that's the twenty second to the twenty
47:22
Speaker 1: fifth of August. And if you are going to that,
47:26
Speaker 1: we will see you there, which will be really good. Now,
47:29
Speaker 1: very very quickly of an eye on the time. At
47:33
Speaker 1: the moment, we have this report that the BBC has
47:39
Speaker 1: picked up from France. Now I will have to come
47:41
Speaker 1: back to this because there's so much in this report.
47:44
Speaker 1: It's a report about a court case around a particularly
47:48
Speaker 1: vile pedophile who was operating through the medical system in France.
47:53
Speaker 1: And the interesting thing is that the headline starts to
47:57
Speaker 1: ask a question victims in Landmark child abuse trial ask
48:02
Speaker 1: why France doesn't want to know. And I was very
48:05
Speaker 1: interested in this. And I've got to say an interesting
48:09
Speaker 1: article from Andrew Hardy, and if we look into some
48:12
Speaker 1: of the detail that he's written, he says that basically,
48:15
Speaker 1: the the trial of France's most prolific pedophile, ll Scranek,
48:22
Speaker 1: a retired surgeon who was admitted in court to raping
48:26
Speaker 1: or sexually assaulting two hundred and ninety nine people, almost
48:29
Speaker 1: all of them children, is coming to an end this Wednesday,
48:32
Speaker 1: amid widespread frustration. And it goes on to quote this
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Speaker 1: particular lady, one of the victims of this horrible man.
48:42
Speaker 1: She said, I'm exhausted, I'm angry right now. I don't
48:45
Speaker 1: have much hope. Society seems totally indifferent. It's frightening to
48:50
Speaker 1: think that the rapes could happen again. And why is
48:54
Speaker 1: this Well, we get an appreciation because we've got another
48:58
Speaker 1: lady here, miss Lemoine, who says that that herself and
49:04
Speaker 1: some of the fifty other victims have been stung by
49:07
Speaker 1: an apparent lack of public interest in the trial, and
49:11
Speaker 1: they formed their own campaign group to pressure the French authorities,
49:15
Speaker 1: accusing the government of ignoring what they say is a
49:19
Speaker 1: landmark case which exposed a true laboratory of institutional failures.
49:26
Speaker 1: Now this is very very similar to what we hear
49:29
Speaker 1: in UK, so we just go on here. It says.
49:33
Speaker 1: The issue is that this trial is about the sexual
49:35
Speaker 1: abuse of children. There's a virtual or meta on this
49:39
Speaker 1: topic globally, but particularly in France. We simply don't want
49:43
Speaker 1: to acknowledge it, said the lawyer representing several of the victims. Now,
49:48
Speaker 1: what she's talking about there is the Mafia code of silence,
49:53
Speaker 1: and this is being picked up by people in this case.
50:00
Speaker 1: And the lawyer who reported on the case, who's been
50:04
Speaker 1: supporting the victims, says, there's a very important standoff between
50:09
Speaker 1: those who want to denounce child sexual violence and those
50:13
Speaker 1: who want to cover it up. And this standoff is
50:15
Speaker 1: taking place today in this trial. Who will win? She wondered, Well,
50:21
Speaker 1: if we go and have a look at the BBC article,
50:24
Speaker 1: let's see whether we can bring this up. Stephanie, you'll
50:29
Speaker 1: have to advance the slide form we please? Can we
50:34
Speaker 1: do that? Can you advance the slide please? Okay, all right,
50:46
Speaker 1: we seem to be there with a small technical issue.
50:49
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about that. So here's the BBC article. Now
50:57
Speaker 1: we should be able to actually run through there and
51:01
Speaker 1: you will see how long it is, how extensive, how
51:05
Speaker 1: much information there is in this BBC article. Now, remember
51:09
Speaker 1: this is about a pedophile in France, albeit a high
51:13
Speaker 1: profile court case, but the BBC is really dug into this,
51:19
Speaker 1: although they haven't challenged the French government at all. Now
51:23
Speaker 1: I want to remind you as that UK column has
51:25
Speaker 1: been reporting on what is a massive abuse of children
51:29
Speaker 1: case for Nethie in Scotland. But within UK we've been
51:34
Speaker 1: reporting now for quite some time on this and what
51:39
Speaker 1: has the BBC been doing. Well, I think it's that
51:42
Speaker 1: wall of silence that the French people also talking about,
51:47
Speaker 1: because if we compare the BBC's report of the case here,
51:51
Speaker 1: let's have a look at the length of their article.
51:54
Speaker 1: So this was as a result of the court case
51:57
Speaker 1: coming up, but we know that over the years that
52:01
Speaker 1: for Nethie was operating, thousands of little girls went through
52:05
Speaker 1: it and clearly one hundreds, possibly thousands were abused. But
52:11
Speaker 1: the BBC simply not dealing with this for giving us
52:14
Speaker 1: a demonstration of this wall of silence. Ben, It's remarkable
52:19
Speaker 1: when you get into this very harrowing subject, how the
52:22
Speaker 1: BBC does not want to engage with reporting anything around
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Speaker 1: child abuse in the UK.
52:30
Speaker 2: Hard to explain, Brian, It is.
52:32
Speaker 1: Hard to explain, Diane. Let's bring you back with us
52:36
Speaker 1: and tell us more about the petition against geoengineering.
52:43
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. The UK government petition that had
52:46
Speaker 5: been filed to make all forms of geoengineering affecting the
52:50
Speaker 5: environment's illegal, which did get passed around quite a bit.
52:53
Speaker 5: It took a while to gain some traction, but it's
52:55
Speaker 5: finally got there. It now has around one hundred and
52:58
Speaker 5: fifties just under one hundred fifty six thousand signatures as
53:01
Speaker 5: of this morning last time I checked. So that means that,
53:04
Speaker 5: of course that Parliament will debate this. The debate in
53:06
Speaker 5: Parliament will take place later on in June. And it's
53:11
Speaker 5: able to dig a little bit into the written response
53:13
Speaker 5: and kind of what this means for how they've responded
53:17
Speaker 5: so far. So the written response, I've quoted it part
53:20
Speaker 5: of it here on this slide, which is sort of
53:22
Speaker 5: repeating the Clean Energy twenty thirty net zero agenda. They
53:28
Speaker 5: say the priority, of course is to reduce greenhouse gas
53:31
Speaker 5: emissions from human activities and to adapt to climate change,
53:35
Speaker 5: and they put you engineering into two categories. One is
53:39
Speaker 5: the solar radiation modification, which is the dimming of the sun,
53:42
Speaker 5: et cetera. And one is the greenhouse gas removals. So
53:45
Speaker 5: what does that mean. That means that they are admitting
53:48
Speaker 5: that they are going to be looking at doing greenhouse
53:50
Speaker 5: gas removals and it says this will be important for
53:53
Speaker 5: reaching net zero. Now what do we know about greenhouse
53:56
Speaker 5: gas removals and who is sort of supporting this agenda.
54:01
Speaker 5: There is a particular professor down in Oxford. He's the
54:05
Speaker 5: professor of Earth Sciences University College at Oxford. His name
54:09
Speaker 5: is Professor Gideon Henderson. He is only twenty percent at
54:12
Speaker 5: Oxford of his time at this particular moment, eighty percent
54:17
Speaker 5: of his time, as we'll see and the next slide,
54:19
Speaker 5: is spent working for the government. He is the Director
54:22
Speaker 5: General for Science Analysis and DEPHRA. He is the chief
54:26
Speaker 5: Scientific Advisor for that particular part of the government. And
54:30
Speaker 5: I have the video hit from him explaining to us,
54:33
Speaker 5: and this was from six years ago, explaining what this
54:36
Speaker 5: means about the greenhouse gas reductions.
54:45
Speaker 11: To avoid dangerous climate change, the UK needs to reduce
54:48
Speaker 11: its emission of greenhouse gases to zero We can reduce
54:52
Speaker 11: our emissions a lot, but we still can't get rid
54:55
Speaker 11: of all of the emissions from the industries that we
54:57
Speaker 11: rely on, so to compensate, we also need to actively
55:01
Speaker 11: remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. The Raw Society and
55:06
Speaker 11: the Royal Academy of Engineering have just published a report
55:09
Speaker 11: which describes the various ways that we can use to
55:11
Speaker 11: achieve that removal. Some of them seem like common sense.
55:15
Speaker 11: We can plant more trees, we can change farming practices
55:19
Speaker 11: to store more carbon in soils, or we can use
55:21
Speaker 11: more wood in our buildings. But there's only so much
55:25
Speaker 11: space for trees and for buildings, so we also need
55:28
Speaker 11: to explore other routes to removal of greenhouse gases if
55:32
Speaker 11: we're going to reach net zero. One of these is
55:36
Speaker 11: to use more bio fuel in our power stations and
55:40
Speaker 11: capture the resulting CO two and bury it underground in rocks.
55:45
Speaker 11: An alternative is to actively suck carbon out of the
55:48
Speaker 11: atmosphere for storage. It will be challenging and will need
55:52
Speaker 11: research and investment starting now, but if we combine all
55:56
Speaker 11: available approaches, the UK can reach net zero by twenty fifty.
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Speaker 11: If we do so, it maintains the UK's leading global
56:05
Speaker 11: position in tackling climate change and ensures that we play
56:09
Speaker 11: our part in stewarding the planet for future generations.
56:16
Speaker 5: So that goes that goes back to what I've reported
56:19
Speaker 5: a few weeks ago using seaweed to suck the carbon
56:22
Speaker 5: out of the sea. So not only do we need
56:25
Speaker 5: to be thinking about what's going on in the skies,
56:26
Speaker 5: but also what they're doing underwater. And I would like
56:29
Speaker 5: to recommend to the audience that they take a look
56:32
Speaker 5: at this and submit to it if they can. That
56:35
Speaker 5: the government is currently doing an independent review with asking
56:40
Speaker 5: for evidence related to greenhouse gas removals, and they want
56:43
Speaker 5: to hear from members of the public. So anyone can
56:46
Speaker 5: go through a click through this form share what they think.
56:49
Speaker 5: And I know it's easy to think that it doesn't matter,
56:51
Speaker 5: they won't listen to us, but if enough of us
56:53
Speaker 5: do it again, it's strengthen numbers. So I would encourage
56:56
Speaker 5: everyone to go in and submit and say what they know,
56:58
Speaker 5: what they have to think about this greenhouse gas removal
57:01
Speaker 5: agenda that's going on right now.
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Speaker 1: Diane, if I can just come in there and say
57:06
Speaker 1: that this is something a lot of people have trouble
57:08
Speaker 1: with it won't make any difference. Well, one of the
57:11
Speaker 1: things that UK column has been reporting over recent weeks
57:15
Speaker 1: is the fact that clearly the rules based international order
57:19
Speaker 1: is desperately worried that their plans are running behind time.
57:23
Speaker 1: And why are they running slow because of the pushback
57:27
Speaker 1: from the wider population, not only in UK but worldwide.
57:31
Speaker 1: So it does make a difference. And of course, if
57:34
Speaker 1: ten people send a comment back in to that request
57:39
Speaker 1: for information from the public, it's not going to have
57:42
Speaker 1: much effect. If ten million pushed back, it's going to
57:46
Speaker 1: have a huge effect. So don't sit there and say
57:49
Speaker 1: we can't do anything. Take the opportunity to gather some
57:53
Speaker 1: people together to tackle it. And Ben beg your pardon, Diane,
57:59
Speaker 1: more good news with respect to people who are saying
58:03
Speaker 1: no library should be for a proper purpose.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. So I would like to talk about the World
58:12
Speaker 5: Library Association because they have just asked me to join
58:15
Speaker 5: their team and I was really happy to accept it.
58:18
Speaker 5: They are really focused on the basic topic which I've
58:22
Speaker 5: been reporting on as well, on age appropriateness and libraries,
58:25
Speaker 5: and they are all based so far in America at
58:27
Speaker 5: this point, so they were joking with me that even
58:29
Speaker 5: though I have an American passport, I'm the first international member,
58:33
Speaker 5: making it a truly World Library Association. The executive director
58:38
Speaker 5: of the World Library Association is Dan Kleinman, who I
58:41
Speaker 5: have interviewed previously on UK column Back in December. You
58:45
Speaker 5: can watch an hour long interview with us talking about
58:49
Speaker 5: specific actions that they have been taking in America to
58:51
Speaker 5: fight the books and the content of some of the
58:55
Speaker 5: terribly graphic sexual materials, violent materials that are showing up
58:58
Speaker 5: in school libraries and public libraries around Western countries. The
59:03
Speaker 5: mission of the World Library Association is what they just say,
59:06
Speaker 5: is your library, your way. We make best practice suggestions,
59:10
Speaker 5: you decide whether to use them to help you improve
59:12
Speaker 5: your local library services. And this basically means in America,
59:16
Speaker 5: it means they're going into library board meetings or going
59:19
Speaker 5: into school board meetings and their local areas. And these
59:21
Speaker 5: are people that are speaking out, making a difference by
59:24
Speaker 5: doing things like reading directly from the content of some
59:27
Speaker 5: of these books, and in some cases the content is
59:30
Speaker 5: so violent and so sexualized putting this in front of
59:34
Speaker 5: children that the people get banned and thrown out of
59:36
Speaker 5: the meetings because they're exposing things that are so graphic.
59:40
Speaker 5: So I want to talk here particular about a member
59:42
Speaker 5: of the World Library Association. Her name is Julie Gaheparts,
59:45
Speaker 5: and I had an interview with her over the weekend,
59:48
Speaker 5: and this is I've been to play this part of
59:51
Speaker 5: our discussion and then I'll talk a little bit more
59:53
Speaker 5: about it. She's made some major breakthroughs recently. But this
59:57
Speaker 5: is her story right here of how she got started
1:00:00
Speaker 5: being active in the World Library Association and pushing against it.
1:00:03
Speaker 5: And this photo that I'll be showing along with the
1:00:05
Speaker 5: audio is a picture of Julie actually going to a
1:00:09
Speaker 5: board meeting and speaking up.
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Speaker 12: So about four years ago, I had a fifteen year
1:00:14
Speaker 12: old daughter in a public high school here, just obviously
1:00:18
Speaker 12: in a local public high school, and she came home
1:00:20
Speaker 12: asking me to get a book for her, and I
1:00:23
Speaker 12: just popped online and did a quick search, and the
1:00:28
Speaker 12: review that I found said, this book contains graphic incestuous
1:00:33
Speaker 12: rape of a I think night or eleven year old
1:00:35
Speaker 12: by her father. It contained thoughtomy, bestiality, pedophilia like on
1:00:41
Speaker 12: and on, masturbation, prostitution, I mean, everything you can even
1:00:46
Speaker 12: imagine in detail in this book. And so I was
1:00:51
Speaker 12: stunned because I had not really experienced anything like it
1:00:55
Speaker 12: in the public school. Then my kids had been in
1:00:58
Speaker 12: public school even.
1:00:59
Speaker 5: In California, have never seen anything like it. But that
1:01:02
Speaker 5: was like my moment of.
1:01:04
Speaker 12: Reality check and started digging at that point into what
1:01:08
Speaker 12: was going on in our schools.
1:01:13
Speaker 5: So Julie told me is that she is very aware
1:01:16
Speaker 5: of the battle between the light and the dark, and
1:01:19
Speaker 5: she is a Christian. She quoted from e Fusians five eleven,
1:01:23
Speaker 5: which seems to motivate a lot of what she's doing.
1:01:25
Speaker 5: So the King James version of that versus the Bible
1:01:28
Speaker 5: is have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness,
1:01:31
Speaker 5: but rather expose them. She believes that we're starting to
1:01:35
Speaker 5: make a progress because she thinks that people are waking
1:01:38
Speaker 5: up and the light is starting to wind over the dark.
1:01:40
Speaker 5: But we have to keep fighting. This is going to happen.
1:01:43
Speaker 5: I asked her for some examples of some of the
1:01:45
Speaker 5: books that she's been fighting against, and the one that
1:01:47
Speaker 5: she mentioned in that audio clip that her daughter was
1:01:51
Speaker 5: at rasked to read for school is called The Bluest
1:01:54
Speaker 5: Eye by Tony Morrison. Some other authors that she mentioned
1:01:57
Speaker 5: are Ellen Hopkins, who writes for young adult at a
1:02:01
Speaker 5: reading level for young adults and children, but the content
1:02:04
Speaker 5: is not at all for young adults and children. Another
1:02:06
Speaker 5: one is Craig Thompson is another author some books that
1:02:10
Speaker 5: they have found in their local middle schools, which in
1:02:12
Speaker 5: America is for sort of ages eleven to fourteen. This
1:02:15
Speaker 5: book is Gay, which contains basically a sex manual of
1:02:18
Speaker 5: all types of sex, of very deviant sexual behaviors and
1:02:22
Speaker 5: telling children whoever is reading was how to do them.
1:02:25
Speaker 5: When I read the book myself, I was not even
1:02:27
Speaker 5: familiar with a lot of what it was talking about myself.
1:02:30
Speaker 5: There's a book called All Boys Aren't Blue, which is
1:02:33
Speaker 5: another one that is frequently challenged and in the US
1:02:36
Speaker 5: in particular, that the reason that they're getting away with
1:02:39
Speaker 5: these books in the libraries is because the definition of
1:02:42
Speaker 5: obscenity is based on what something's called the three pronged
1:02:45
Speaker 5: Miller test, and three says that if the work, taken
1:02:49
Speaker 5: as an entire whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, scientific value,
1:02:56
Speaker 5: then it can be defined as obscene. But if they
1:02:58
Speaker 5: can say that somehow it has a little or scientific
1:03:01
Speaker 5: value as part of a novel, then it's not considered
1:03:04
Speaker 5: to be obscene and therefore allowable to be in libraries
1:03:07
Speaker 5: for anyone of all ages. And just a quick note
1:03:10
Speaker 5: about how this all happened was that she lives in
1:03:13
Speaker 5: Hillsborough County, Florida, and she's been fighting about this, and
1:03:17
Speaker 5: eventually the Conditioner of Education got word of what was
1:03:20
Speaker 5: going on because there was a legislator in Florida, Dana Treepuci,
1:03:25
Speaker 5: who was in the Florida House of Representatives. Julie was
1:03:28
Speaker 5: sending information about the content of some of these books
1:03:31
Speaker 5: to Dana, and she started posting on social media about
1:03:35
Speaker 5: how disgusting and deviant this all was, and then eventually
1:03:39
Speaker 5: the Attorney General in Flora saw what she was sharing.
1:03:42
Speaker 5: The superintendent responded by asking to be asking to come
1:03:47
Speaker 5: to the meeting at the state level to explain why
1:03:49
Speaker 5: he wasn't doing anything about it. And so essentially what's
1:03:53
Speaker 5: happened now is that the Attorney General of Florida has
1:03:55
Speaker 5: spoken up. So we have a short clip from him
1:03:57
Speaker 5: from a press conference that he gave last week. Say
1:04:00
Speaker 5: what he's doing.
1:04:02
Speaker 7: I will tell you that Office of Parnal Rights. While
1:04:05
Speaker 7: we're only a couple weeks open, we are already busy,
1:04:07
Speaker 7: already receiving input from the public and taking action. Just
1:04:12
Speaker 7: last week we sent a letter to Hillsborough County notifying
1:04:15
Speaker 7: them that there's harmful sexualized content in the school system
1:04:20
Speaker 7: there pornographic in nature. We were delighted that it only
1:04:24
Speaker 7: took a day for them to get that harmful content
1:04:26
Speaker 7: out of the schools, and a couple counties have quickly
1:04:30
Speaker 7: followed suit.
1:04:34
Speaker 5: So this is just one amazing example. I take of
1:04:36
Speaker 5: one woman who's a mother who was just concerned about
1:04:40
Speaker 5: what her children were reading. Yourquid to read at school,
1:04:44
Speaker 5: and she's made a difference at county levels, and it's
1:04:46
Speaker 5: spreading to more counties throughout the state. Now the Attorney
1:04:49
Speaker 5: General has stepped in to sort of push this forward.
1:04:52
Speaker 5: So we have just the last screenshot here of a
1:04:55
Speaker 5: tweet that she posted, so you can follow her on
1:04:58
Speaker 5: x seeing that you know the This is great that
1:05:00
Speaker 5: they're taking these actions, but she's still expecting to want
1:05:03
Speaker 5: to see more and she hopes that it continues in
1:05:06
Speaker 5: this direction. But this is just one mother doing something incredible.
1:05:10
Speaker 5: And I'm very proud now to be a member of
1:05:13
Speaker 5: the board of the World Library Association. Brian, so I
1:05:15
Speaker 5: hope I can do even.
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Speaker 1: More very much. What a brilliant place to end on.
1:05:21
Speaker 1: We've got to shine light into the darkness and we've
1:05:24
Speaker 1: got to take the top off this terrible grooming of children.
1:05:28
Speaker 1: Children are our future, so this is clearly an area
1:05:31
Speaker 1: which we've got to focus on. But overall, the good
1:05:35
Speaker 1: news is that that rules based international order is telling
1:05:39
Speaker 1: us they're running late with their plans, and that is
1:05:42
Speaker 1: because of increasing pushback. And if we can stay discerning,
1:05:46
Speaker 1: we can work out when we're watching planned demonstrations in
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