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Episode 88: It's a Book Review Episode! Reviewing the Star Wars Novel "Rebel Rising" by Beth Revis · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello, there. It's time for most things
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  Kenobi. Hi everyone, welcome to another
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  episode of most things can o be a podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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  and all things Star Wars. I'm your host Leanne and I'm
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  your host Lauren. And this week, we haven't done
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  many of these. Have we book reviews know.
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  We've done a few short stories. Yeah, it's so far, right?
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  So this is our first book review, like an actual, it's
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  because we like it, right? It's yeah, I'm a picky star.
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  Wars book reader honestly between Lauren and I bet you we
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  could name like three books out of the Star Wars books list that
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  we actually like yeah. And this is one of them.
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  They were we are reviewing Rebel Rising by Beth Revis or Reavis.
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  I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
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  Yeah, I see it either where. I mean, I should have knowledge,
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  he's Beth. Yeah, you did a fabulous job but
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  sorry really. Did you really did?
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  This is a good one. And in fact, our friend and
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  Patron Kevin was the one that suggested we read it and he was
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  not wrong. Yes, yeah, it was good.
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  It was and it was not, I think it's kind of like a young adult
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  book, isn't it? Allegedly, but what does that
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  even mean anymore? I've read, I've read so many
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  series that were dubbed. Young adult that were fantastic.
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  Beautiful character building World building, some scandalous.
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  - in them, and they were labeled young adults, just like Clone
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  Wars skid shell. Right.
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  Right. Exactly.
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  Well, it because it was young adult, it was like larger print
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  on the page and I could read it way faster because I love
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  reading but I don't have a lot of time for reading.
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  What we love gin. Yes, I love gin and I got
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  through it way faster than some of the other books.
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  So yeah, I didn't get to like page 50 and say nope with this
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  one which is awesome. What happens?
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  With Star Wars books like yeah can you and I are very similar.
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  We are. And I think a big part of it is
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  tone like getting the characters voice.
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  Yes, it is really important to me and I think to you also and
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  not every writer is really good at capturing.
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  Like Luke is always terrible like these misrepresented in my
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  opinion, A lot of the times. So I'm really picky about
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  Stories about Luke. Did, I misrepresent him in my
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  story that I wrote about know, you did it, it takes knowing a
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  character. I think, pretty well to give
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  them a voice, right? So I think so, yeah.
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  And you can to me like how I kind of do it as I just absorb a
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  lot of material. Yeah.
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  And then, my brain kind of naturally starts to think that
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  happened to me even watching Better Call Saul.
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  I started thinking In so Goodman's voice for a few days
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  because we're binging it so much.
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  I was like I need to take a break.
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  My parents loved that show. By the way, it's a very good
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  show. I will say I'm kind of bummed.
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  The Bob Odenkirk beat Diego Luna for the Critics Choice Award,
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  although he is an excellent actor.
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  I felt like Diego deserve something.
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  He'll get it maybe season 2. Yeah, to be honored in a Sci-Fi
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  show of any kind is like, I remember when Lord of the Rings
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  won best movie for Return of the King.
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  That was like, a big moment because like fantasy just
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  doesn't get the accolades that a lot of stuff does and you have
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  to bring a human factor to it otherwise it's just fluff,
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  right? Yeah, well I mean, speaking of
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  human factor there's plenty of this in here and What I really
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  like is that there's not a lot of dialogue.
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  It's a lot of ginseng, thoughts, Jin's interpretation Jin's fears
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  which we know she has a lot of. She doesn't talk a lot anyway.
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  Mmm. Like you know when she does,
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  it's very grandiose and you know, Rogue one button You can
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  tell, she's kind of she's stews. She Broods.
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  Hmm, and I mean, it comes from what will you end up learning in
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  this book? Like what happened after saw
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  gerrera, picks her up out of that safety tunnel, or bunker or
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  whatever her parents made for her, right?
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  That's where this picks up. Yeah, it's this book is actually
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  quite sad. It is, it is, especially after I
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  read it after watching and or and kind of like while I was
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  watching Hang it and to see their parallel backstories is
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  pretty bleak, honestly. Yeah, yeah.
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  I mean, it's awful, but it's it kind of makes me think like it's
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  no surprise. They sacrifice themselves, you
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  know what I mean? Like right, they tried so hard
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  over and over and over to do good and then like that was
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  their crowning moment, like all of this sadness led to something
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  really incredible? Yeah, Animo.
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  Until like redeem, some Gin did some pretty terrible shit and
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  this book that's, I don't know. It was an interesting portrayal
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  because it's basically watching a person Scratch Out survival
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  the whole time the whole time, which is very common in real
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  life. So many people Follow this
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  unfortunate path. When I mean, she interpreted,
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  well, it was interesting because she wavered between feeling like
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  there was some hope that she'd find her dad eventually that he
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  didn't mean to leave her and then she wavered back to, he
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  abandoned me. He really is like, for the
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  Empire and he can't be trusted. And I think that's interesting.
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  When you look at it, from the point of view of Rogue one where
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  she was. So, Like she was so relieved to
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  see her father she wanted to get to her father.
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  I think everyone holds on to that hope that their parent
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  didn't abandon them. Yeah.
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  And I think you see that more in the film than is portrayed in
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  the books and she's let's talk about this a little bit because
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  I was kind of like, why did they come to this conclusion?
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  Honestly, because they're on lamu.
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  They're in hiding Jin knows. They're in hiding.
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  And saw knows that they're in hiding.
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  And the reason they would call him is because quranic found
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  them. That's exactly what happened.
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  So why does he tell Jin that? Your father has chosen the
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  Empire over you my thought was to disconnect her from him.
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  Yeah. Like there's no hope stop hoping
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  you're ever going to see him disconnect from that because
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  you're not going to survive because she had to be in hiding.
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  She Could not say who she was? She was just some girl saw his
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  girl. So I was a little girl, right?
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  You know, everyone in like the bandits is his band of of
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  people, I don't even know what to call them his ne'er-do-wells.
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  Yeah, like his green Ruffians. Yeah, it didn't ask questions,
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  but they wondered who she was and obviously, it was very
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  obvious. That's all loved her in his own
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  way, right? That was weeks, it's so much
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  more sad. I know it's very deeply sad and
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  I really liked how we get a look at saw in a way we never have
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  before because we see him. I guess we're introduced to
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  maybe on onderon and Clone Wars. I think that's the first time.
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  Yeah. And yeah.
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  And it's sisters alive. So keep that in mind.
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  Yeah. And what like it's literally his
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  action that creates her death which is just fucking
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  devastating. It is so depressing.
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  Thing to watch all the episodes of the under on Ark, and that's
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  how it ends. You're just like, what?
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  The fuck? Clone Wars terrible kids show.
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  Yeah, exactly. God, it's awful.
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  You're like, oh, they win. Oh, they don't win.
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  But it brings this weird dynamic between him and gin where it's
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  like, you know, he cares about her and he loves her and he
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  calls her his daughter and he's proud of her.
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  But then he has this coldness also where Doesn't have.
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  He doesn't know how to care for a child.
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  So like he just gives her nutritive milk and that's it for
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  food and like basically teaches her, how to survive and protect
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  herself. But he has this way of
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  withholding his approval as like, a way, a means of
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  controlling her behavior which is maybe not even a conscious
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  choice. I know because he's he's clearly
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  battling his own demons of his Stir this entire book?
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  Yeah, he's He knows that he loves Jin.
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  He wants her to survive, he wants her to make it because his
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  sister didn't, and he's trying to make up for that.
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  I think that's my interpretation, but he also
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  knows that getting too close and loving someone too much leads to
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  hurt because it did for. Yeah, it's vulnerability for
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  sure that he is really uncomfortable with, which if you
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  think about, Diego. What's his name and or cassia?
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  Yeah, he had a loving openly loving set of parents
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  stepparents, right. Mmm.
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  And he distanced himself it, I mean he loved his mother but
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  like There was a weird. Like he had it was almost like
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  he's trying to keep himself from it.
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  Because he knows that you had also it all of this leads to
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  pain because as a child he got separated from his sister and it
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  creates a deep divide and the same thing for Jin.
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  She could separate it from her parents and though she was taken
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  by someone who quote loved her, it might have been hard to ever
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  feel like you're fully fully accepted because even the simple
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  thing of having the kyber crystal necklace.
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  Yes. So I was like, you have to cover
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  that shit up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  All the time because people are looking at it right and it
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  explains why she has the scarf and Rogue one that she wears but
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  like I just think of what that does to a child, you know, from
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  a very early age, trying to get approval, from somebody who is
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  kind of cold in a little bit scary, you're not even quite
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  sure. They even liked you at first and
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  then they tell you to, like, cover up part of yourself
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  because other people won't like it.
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  It's just this child, just needs a hug really, though, like, oh,
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  she got that. You got one at the very end.
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  Oh God one. As the only one, who hugs her
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  while they die. I can't.
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  They both like he needs one too. It's just the saddest parallel
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  ever. Do you believe that the force
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  brought them together? I do.
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  I mean, Tony Gilroy brother together.
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  Well, yeah, I mean literally, but I don't know, like, I'm, I'm
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  I'm working on a fix right now that like I skirt around the
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  edge of the force with it because they kind of both of
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  them. Don't really believe it that
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  much right. Which is interesting because in
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  my opinion I think the force works like that.
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  It does draw like Souls together, it's a like-minded but
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  similar. Souls together.
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  These two lost hurting abandoned people in one way or another
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  find each other, but a lot of people don't believe that the
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  force works like that. You could say, that's, you know,
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  a topic of like faith and all this stuff that we won't touch
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  upon but it is very similar. Yeah.
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  But it's the two people who didn't believe in it.
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  That war kyber crystal. Necklace has both of them,
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  right? I've had them come together.
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  Like, I love that. I do too.
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  I think it's it's something that I think both the characters also
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  kind of like, they know that Jedi existed and yeah, the
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  Khyber has power and Jin knows that powered the Jedi's
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  lightsaber and every now and then she reaches out and touches
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  it and holds it in the book, in the movie, in the movie.
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  Yeah. Multiple times.
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  And they even say it. In the book, at least I think in
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  the Rogue one book she doesn't know if it has spiritual power
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  but she's willing to like accept it if it does, if it's going to
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  help what they're trying to do. So yeah, I don't know.
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  I think that's a really interesting question honestly
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  because yes I would like to think that since they're such
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  desperate disparate character. Yeah.
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  That they spend their entire lives.
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  Surviving. You know.
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  Yeah. Living.
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  But like no just in survival mode constantly.
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  And but we do see in this book she lives a little when she gets
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  with the family, the mom and the and the sun.
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  Yeah, it was the name of the planet.
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  They were on. I thought it was a cool planet
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  the way it sounded goal, I think something like that, it's okay,
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  because it sounded to me like Prince Edward Island like long,
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  sweeping grasses and plateaus. And not necessarily like lothal
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  but I don't know. I had this beautiful idea of
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  like Eastern Canada, fareeza Canada, like with cowboy town in
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  the middle. Kind of yeah.
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  That's Prairie Canada, but right, because I was thinking
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  more Maritime. Well, I mean they said, I had
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  this small town with a Cantina in the middle and every sickly
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  everybody knew each other and yeah, it, yeah.
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  Yeah it definitely made me think of Frontier living.
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  Yeah some kind or another. Yeah that was that was that
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  whole thing, is she lived a little bit?
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  She got to experience a little bit of living versus survive
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  still so on survival mode because I don't think Jin knows
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  any other mode. But she did get to experience
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  like some of the pleasures of like being free for one.
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  Yeah. And I think that's what's so
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  fucking sad is. So it's the word down.
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  She finally let her guard down. Little bit and it ends so badly
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  and you just know it. Will they never kind of release
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  you from that overhanging Doom the whole time she's there but
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  ah, I had hope reading it that it didn't do and it but yeah,
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  who's the fool us. So ours is pain.
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  Come on now. Lee Anne, you know better
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  there's a cluster here down the an well I just wanted so
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  desperately for Jinda, not be disappointed.
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  Yeah, we literally see throughout this book.
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  Why is she so guarded in Rogue one?
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  And she has every right to be because this book doesn't just
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  plot out her life at, like, in the years that we don't see
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  prior to Rogue one. It plots out her time in the, in
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  the prison. Yes.
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  Oh yeah. Which is absolutely Bleek,
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  Bleek. The bleakest thing I've ever
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  read. It was well done her.
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  Roommates made me very sad. Yeah.
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  And then you think now that you watch and or and then you talk
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  about this book, the day and day out of his prison sentence if
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  you will and their survival and his roommates or his Corridor
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  mates. Yes cells.
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  They weren't Bridges or levels or something.
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  Yeah, right. It's just awful.
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  What the empire did to break the spirit of so many is just Awful.
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  Yeah, it's really crazy. And God, there were so many
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  moments and like, it kept escalating with her in the
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  prison. Like every time they would do a
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  little chapter in the middle of whatever was going on where they
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  kind of bring you back to. Whoa.
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  Bonnie. Because the intersperse will
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  Bonnie throughout the whole book.
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  If you read the top where it starts, it describes her charges
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  almost every time there's a new section of what.
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  Bonnie, she has a new charge. Yeah.
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  And it's because either she does something or she gets caught up
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  in the middle of something that she had really nothing to do
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  with. I mean bright and like one time
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  she picked up a piece of metal or piece of glass something.
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  Yes. And they charged her with having
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  a weapon. It's yes.
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  Like she was going to It as a weapon for sure.
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  Just like fuck. I just picked it up.
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  Like I didn't even do anything. I think the hardest part of all
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  of those chapters for me was her like, furry, her long-haired
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  made mad fuck. That was the most depressing
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  part of this book that and when like saw never came back for
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  her, he really did leave her. Yes.
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  Do we ever get, why was it out of necessity?
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  Or did he just leave her there? Do we not know.
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  I was going to ask you. opinion on that because that sequence in
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  the book, they get betrayed by one of the characters and You
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  start to realize. Oh, this is that moment where
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  she's like the last time I saw you you give me a knife at a
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  little Blaster and told me to wait in a bunker because yeah,
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  that wasn't obvious to me until all of a sudden.
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  I was just like, wait, this is that moment?
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  What the fuck? Yeah.
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  And like, saw is bleeding to death, he's also fighting the
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  guy who betrayed them. Yes.
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  And that he just tells Jin to get the fuck out of here,
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  basically. Yeah.
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  Well the place is Blows and she makes it out, right because of
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  his instruction and he says, I will come back for you and he
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  never does. And it's like Jin has to make a
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  choice. Do I stay here and wait, or is
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  it just someone else that abandons me?
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  So maybe he did. He was like horribly injured and
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  I wondered do some of his like injuries and see in Rogue one
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  come from this moment. Okay?
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  Because like I think so yeah it was a lot of breathing
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  injury-related like all over his face.
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  All fucked up and yeah, it was just a bad situation.
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  So Oh God, I don't know. I don't know.
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  She had to get out of there though because she was starving.
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  Right? She was and in there were like
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  the planet was becoming chaos. It was pretty horrible us.
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  And like, so she also is wondering, if saw is dead but
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  that she finds out later he's not and he just literally is
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  never coming looking for her. Yeah.
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  Yeah. She knows some what he sent
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  someone to find her to leave she died on us.
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  Yeah, he still cares. Right?
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  Question, mark in his weird way because that's the other thing
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  too with saw, is he has this moral, he's like lives in the
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  gray zone, right, where he has a moral code but it's really
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  fucking weird. It's very loose and it changed.
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  Yes, it changes. He's like, yeah, because she
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  finds out like, damn, this is what our mission is what the
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  fuck's saw. Right.
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  And he's like, you know, for the greater good, whatever it takes,
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  we do what we have to do And it's like, yes and no, maybe no.
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  Yes, it keeps you guessing which I really like because it
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  challenges the readers stance also, right.
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  And you see, you see that play into and or two when he was much
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  too have meeting with Lutheran where they're talking about Aunt
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  or Krieger. Oh my God, I love it.
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  Yes. Yes.
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  Saw goes on that rant about Kriegers.
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  A separatist and met a pays a deal, Republican and there.
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  You're just an alliance sector as human cultures.
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  I fucking love that line because then he's like, I am the only
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  one with Clarity of purpose and lose and just laughs at him.
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  Yes. Yes.
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  So that okay, so luthan has been to the Keystone, which is saw in
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  a sense. The Keystone that is, you know,
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  brings it all all full circle in Rogue one with gin and cassia,
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  right? And Lutheran is like in the
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  middle of this and we see that finally and and or but you think
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  about it like when did lose and come find saw was it before or
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  after gin because we never saw Jin, I'm assuming hate but do
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  you still not like fully fucked up?
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  It's all right. Isn't physically.
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  Well then there's the whole interspersing in the book Rebel
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  Rising with idrisa. I'm not sure if I'm saying her
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  name, right? But yeah.
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  Oh yes, her. Yes.
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  It's The kind of imply that she's with the quote real Rebel
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  Alliance. Yeah.
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  But it's like in the timeline, where does this fall into place
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  with what's going on in and or, and like, what luthan is
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  building? I'm really, I would like to
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  like, look into that in more detail because there's so many
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  just like what saw says, there's so many different factions.
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  Yes, kind of all working towards the same.
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  Well, not even just just fighting the Empire right.
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  And right, right? He will work with some of them
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  but not all of them. And if the money's right, he'll
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  do it. You know, even changed his mind
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  about Anto Krieger in. Yeah.
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  Yeah. In and or he changed his mind,
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  too late. Too late.
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  I just was sitting here thinking, has anyone laughed and
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  saw his face and lived? Besides luthan.
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  I don't, they That's boss mode shit.
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  That whole scene was so tense, and I loved it because like, you
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  said, I think Lutheran's the only one who could get away with
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  it, right. I want to know why though, I
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  think, cause he really calls about his shit, because that's
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  when he says, I have it written down here because I love it so
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  much. Anika is a seductive concept, a
• 23:30
  bit of a luxury, I'd argue to a man who is hiding and cold caves
• 23:34
  and begging for spare parts and saws.
• 23:37
  Like fuck you, but you're right, you're you're fucking right, but
• 23:41
  fuck you. Hey, if you come with facts
• 23:48
  story, you know what I mean? If you come to correct size, not
• 23:52
  gonna hate on that know, he kind of respects.
• 23:55
  Directness honest. Yeah, Yeah, I love that.
• 23:59
  I love that. Those two are entangled in some
• 24:01
  way. I'm glad they put that in and or
• 24:03
  me too. And I just a lot going on.
• 24:05
  There's a lot of politics in these Rebel factions.
• 24:08
  Hmm. Yeah.
• 24:09
  And part of why saw hates Krieger is because he was a
• 24:13
  separatist and the separatists are.
• 24:14
  Why his sister? Yes.
• 24:16
  And yeah, I mean there's some there's some cold grudges that
• 24:22
  are carried over. I'll tell you what the Clone
• 24:25
  Wars was a big big thing for a lot of people.
• 24:28
  Yeah, ended up in the on this side of the Empire like them,
• 24:31
  taking over, right? I mean, even what's his name
• 24:38
  Jin's? Father, yeah, Galen right he
• 24:42
  works with the Empire to begin with because he thought it was
• 24:46
  better than the war they were all experiencing and they were
• 24:50
  going to fund his research. So you know, maybe it won't be
• 24:54
  so bad and poor Cassie and unknowingly built parts to form
• 25:01
  the Death. Star that Fucking bad Jin's.
• 25:06
  Father developed, there's an adult entertainment.
• 25:11
  Don't even know how entangled they are web.
• 25:14
  We weave in the Galaxy, it's okay.
• 25:18
  Fucking albertine. I blame palps, this motherfucker
• 25:23
  brought so much pain to everybody fuck you palps.
• 25:27
  He did he ruined a lot of lives as he did and pong Krell gets a
• 25:31
  break in this episode because it's fuck palp.
• 25:33
  In this one bug Croquettes a break.
• 25:36
  I love it. Just this episode.
• 25:40
  Maybe some others been. So okay, let's talk about Jin's
• 25:45
  like talent for making a clearance codes.
• 25:49
  How fucking cool is that? So fucking cool.
• 25:52
  She's and she also becomes becomes a counterfeit.
• 25:57
  ER, also. Yeah.
• 25:58
  Yeah, she's really good at these skills.
• 26:01
  It's pretty fucking cool. I just Loved that.
• 26:04
  I loved it so much and she was saying that she was like
• 26:06
  bartering or haggling with an emperor and Empire person who
• 26:11
  was like gambling too much. I love that.
• 26:13
  That's so like pedestrian for a nail Empire has just because it
• 26:17
  shows that like, okay, they're a big corporate entity government
• 26:22
  entity, that's terrifying but they're only as strong as the
• 26:26
  morons who work with them. Right?
• 26:27
  Right. And if there's people like this
• 26:31
  who are kind of bored in their post and Really give a shit
• 26:34
  what's going on. I thought that was a really
• 26:36
  interesting take. It's very different than what we
• 26:38
  normally see with Imperial characters.
• 26:43
  Yeah. Yes I love a good gambling
• 26:45
  problem. Amongst Imperial seat holders
• 26:51
  shows some realness in the Galaxy.
• 26:53
  Some seediness. You know because dude, no good
• 26:56
  can come from gambling debts, none.
• 26:58
  Nope but no good comes from negotiating with the Empire also
• 27:04
  notes, never the sequence of events that happens in the
• 27:08
  second half of this book is fucking nuts, right?
• 27:11
  So, she goes to the Five Points station immediately gets pulled
• 27:15
  into the Empire by Commander Solange, which I think is how
• 27:19
  you say that name. Go for instantly gets broke by
• 27:24
  Alejandro R. So for counterfeiting, his money
• 27:28
  gets put on a slave ship liberates.
• 27:31
  The slave ship gets Back in by the Empire by Admiral, Rock win,
• 27:38
  or whatever. The fuck that person's name is
• 27:40
  and then gets placed by her. This m, this Admiral into the
• 27:44
  partisan crew that she then betrays like it is.
• 27:49
  Yes. Yeah.
• 27:50
  So fucking depressing and she can't get a goddamn break.
• 27:53
  No, she can't. But we see how she knows how to
• 27:58
  fight so well, because Assad basically throughout this book
• 28:01
  how she can finagle. Eagle her way in and out of
• 28:04
  things. You know, why?
• 28:07
  She's so defensive all the time. In Rogue one, I'm talking like,
• 28:10
  we see the origins of it, and God damn it.
• 28:13
  I don't blame her one bit for being a cold hard bitch at the
• 28:16
  beginning of Rogue one, or at least throughout a lot of Rogue
• 28:19
  one. Distrusting of people, you know,
• 28:24
  just not believing in. It just stay.
• 28:25
  As far as far away from it. As you can, you know, any kind
• 28:29
  of like, I'm for, or against. She wants to stay neutral in the
• 28:32
  middle. With as little involvement as
• 28:35
  possible because look she went one way.
• 28:37
  Got caught went the opposite way got caught like each time, it
• 28:40
  was punishment for her and she lost people and was betrayed by
• 28:44
  people. I mean it's she really dislikes
• 28:47
  the rebels in this book especially right because they
• 28:51
  came in right but like she did say What's the difference?
• 28:55
  They what was their name Hatter and oh God I don't remember
• 29:00
  actually I I think is his mother's name.
• 29:03
  It was the family that you kind of lived with and she actually,
• 29:06
  I think had a relationship with the boy.
• 29:08
  They kind of come to. I started to fall in love a
• 29:10
  little bit. Well.
• 29:11
  Well, well well, well, how she kind of thought that casting
• 29:15
  looked like him with that jet black hair?
• 29:18
  Yeah. Oh my God, it was vaguely.
• 29:21
  Vaguely hinted at and I was like oh anyway sorry.
• 29:25
  Yeah no you're good. I think that when they get
• 29:29
  killed she thinks the rebels kill them and that's why.
• 29:33
  Hates the Empire, she hates the rebels.
• 29:35
  And that's why it's such a big fucking deal when Cassie and
• 29:39
  says, welcome home. Yeah.
• 29:42
  Because it's not him saying, welcome home to the Rebel
• 29:45
  Alliance because they're going rogue against the Rebel
• 29:48
  Alliance. It's welcome home to loyalty,
• 29:51
  like someone's going to stand by her side, all the way to the
• 29:54
  end. If that's what it takes.
• 29:56
  Yeah. And she has never had that never
• 30:01
  and that, huh? That hurts.
• 30:03
  So bad. I know they were so perfect and
• 30:09
  deserved so much more her and Chasm.
• 30:11
  So mine own. God damn it.
• 30:16
  Well fuck, man. There's a bummer.
• 30:21
  I got them both. So dear things as pain.
• 30:23
  I know, I feel so strongly more. So with them than maybe other
• 30:29
  characters, even that they deserve so much fucking better
• 30:32
  than they got. Well, how often do we hear this?
• 30:35
  And Star Wars that same sentence, they deserve so much
• 30:38
  better than they got. That could go for just about 80%
• 30:41
  of the characters. I know, I just think that when
• 30:45
  you look at Luke, he at least had people who loved him, raise
• 30:48
  him, and he had a shelter childhood, and you think about
• 30:50
  Obi-Wan who had his life until it fell apart.
• 30:54
  Jinnah, Cassie, and had no joy or safety ever.
• 30:58
  Their entire flying moments, fleeting moments.
• 31:02
  Yeah, And as soon as they get settled, they just rip it away,
• 31:07
  you know, but that is some people's lot life.
• 31:10
  I mean, that is, you know, you just can't catch a break.
• 31:14
  Yeah, remember to be very blessed.
• 31:18
  Remember to stay thankful for what you've been blessed with.
• 31:21
  Because kassian and Jinn are examples of just They didn't
• 31:30
  have a chance from the start and in their passing gave everyone
• 31:36
  else a chance that they never got.
• 31:38
  I mean it's yeah it's a beautiful story, a heartbreaking
• 31:42
  one. But one that's very common.
• 31:44
  I mean we see it in the great literature of our time the
• 31:48
  sacrifice of one or two or many makes it possible for so many
• 31:55
  more to live a better life. It's lengthens I burned my life
• 31:59
  for the sunrise. Sighs.
• 32:00
  I'll Never See. I have it hanging directly in
• 32:02
  front of me. On my pegboard, what do you
• 32:05
  sacrifice? And it's this whole thing.
• 32:07
  And I've been looking at it, this whole fucking time.
• 32:10
  Because I never want to forget what he said ever and what he
• 32:13
  meant behind it. It's so brilliant.
• 32:16
  And so poignant and represents more characters than just
• 32:20
  himself honestly. So, that's why we wanted to talk
• 32:24
  about this book now post and or obviously post Rogue one but
• 32:29
  like, I wanted better for both of them.
• 32:35
  All of them, all of them. Oh my God.
• 32:38
  They deserved it serves that much better.
• 32:40
  How many times did I say it too? Many times?
• 32:43
  Say it one more time. Fuck.
• 32:44
  It said gin and Cassian deserved so much better.
• 32:48
  There you go. And of episode rubber Rising
• 32:52
  10/10 for me. Yeah, Sam and I loved it.
• 33:01
  The question this week for our audience and listeners is if
• 33:04
  you've read Rebel Rising, how many stars?
• 33:07
  Would you give it 10 out of 10, 10 being the best, one out of
• 33:11
  ten, being threw it in the garbage?
• 33:13
  I don't know. Yeah, let us know what your
• 33:16
  rating of the book Rebel Rising by Beth Revis.
• 33:22
  Next week we are going to focus on the very beautiful, very
• 33:27
  talented. Matt Lanter.
• 33:29
  Yes, and I will ask the question in hopes that he gives me an
• 33:33
  answer. What the fuck?
• 33:34
  Anakin Whispers to the zai Jian Queen, just throwing it out
• 33:38
  there. I tagged him on Instagram but he
• 33:40
  didn't look at it. I know you did.
• 33:44
  So maybe a whole episode about how great he is and how great
• 33:47
  his talents are Beyond Star Wars will.
• 33:50
  An answer. Yes.
• 33:51
  He's a very, very good on Screen Actor as well.
• 33:54
  So I have a show that I watched a binged and I can't wait to
• 33:59
  tell you about it. Oh, I'm here for it, let's talk.
• 34:02
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