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Mega Edition: Transcripts From The DOJ's Sit Down With Ghislaine Maxwell (Part 10-12) (6/7/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
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back in to Glenn Maxwell's fireside chat with her good
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buddy Todd Blanche, Blanche, I don't want you to be burdened.
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I want you to just tell the truth the best
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you can. So I don't want you to be burdened
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by what people said at trial or what you know
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the press says about you. So, Maxwell, I thought that
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it was illustrative when you asked me the question, Blanche,
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and it was it was Maxwell, because it doesn't I
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did not. I absolutely have no memory at any Now
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I'm leaving redacted separate to this obviously, Blanche au huh, Maxwell,
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so that's a separate story. I'm not going to pretend, well,
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we'll come to her, Blanche, We'll get to her. Go ahead, Maxwell, So, yes,
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she but in the terms of the scheme or whatever
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however you want to determine what you're calling that, I
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have no memory, no act of anything, of having seen
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anybody that resembles a young child, let's call it what
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it is, at the house giving him a massage at all.
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It's not even like I did this, it's an at all,
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And forty four people didn't see me or talk about
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me either, including redacted Blanche. And when you say that, house,
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Maxwell responds, Oh, sorry pom Beach, Blanche. Yeah, no, I
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understand what you mean. But does the same memory or
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lack thereof apply to planes in New Mexico in New York? Maxwell, well,
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with some important caveats on that, But Julian Jane in
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my trial was clearly underage, clearly a child, and I
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only saw her in pom Beach, and I only saw
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her with her mother. The other person who's clearly also
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not an adult or even close redacted, I believe I
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remember her now. That would be the only two or
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three whatever that is. Yeah, what about Carolyn? What about Carolyn?
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You know the girl who ended up killing herself after
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you and your disgusting egg dick friend Jeffrey Epstein abused her.
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What about her? Blanche? So, did you ever know mister
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Epstein to communicate with FBI agents, either like intelligence FBI agents,
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like as a source, or just generally with FBI agents? Maxwell, No, Blanche,
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do you think if he had done that, you would
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have known, like he would have told you something like
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that like, if I said to you, mister Epstein was
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a source for the FBI, would you say that's crazy? No,
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he wasn't, or maybe he was. He wouldn't have told
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me that anyway. Maxwell, I have two answers for that.
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I think if he was for real, I think he
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would have bragged about it to me as a show off,
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because he could be a show off. And if he wasn't,
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he might have dropped it like he was cool. And
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I don't think I don't remember him doing either. Now,
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with again the caveat that before I met him finding money,
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I think he may have suggested that there were some
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people who helped him. But that's the only context that
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I recall that in. For the four hundredth time, Glenne
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Maxwell was not the confidant you people think she was.
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She was a She was somebody that was involved in
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one portion of Epstein's bullshit. She's not this Rosetta stone.
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And the only people that are pitching her like that
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are people that are going to benefit from that kind
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of narrative, because make no mistake, this whole entire thing
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was geared towards you shutting up. That's what the whole
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goal is here. Blanche, What do you mean by that
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when you say finding money? What do you mean? Maxwell? Well,
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his business where he remember, I told you, Blanche? Uh huh? Maxwell,
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I think in that context he showed me a photograph
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that he had with some African warlords or something that
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he told me. And you know, I get I don't
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remember if that's what I interpreted like that kind of thing,
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or whether it was something like that. That's the only
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actual active memory I have of something nefarious, well, not nefarious.
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I don't even know if it was nefarious, but covert.
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I suppose it would be the word blanche. And what
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about any other intelligence agency like the CIA, or Defense
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Intelligence or any other law enforcement agency. Maxwell, Okay, I
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don't think so. I think that I don't remember anything
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like that. I just don't think he had the wherewithal.
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And I think the whole aspect of that is, can
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I use a bad word, David Marcus, Yes, Blanche? Yes, Maxwell? Bullshit?
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Imagine this lady calling anything bullshit. If bullshit could walk,
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if bullshit had two legs, lady, you'd be it. Blanche. Okay,
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And what do you think why do you think it's bullshit? Meaning?
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What do you mean Marcus, Would you have known if
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he was, would he have been bragging to you? Would
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he have been saying these things? So none of it
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makes sense, right, Maxwell says she knows nothing about Jeffrey Epstein,
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nothing about his intimate life, so how would she know
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if he's an intelligence agent? Maxwell, I think, well, sorry,
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I think that one of the reasons why he liked
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me was because of my you know, my family connections,
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and why I liked other people was because they were
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cool or whatever. And I think that certainly early when
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I met him, he would have tried to impress me
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or tried, you know, show off if you will, like
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he was that guy, you know, and he wasn't that guy,
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And so I think that he would have tried to
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bullshit me, and he didn't. So I think it's to
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that she's cut off by Blanche who gets one word in?
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Did then he's cut off by Maxwell. Well, he may
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have tried to bullshit me, but no, I couldn't, Blanche, right,
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Glenn Maxwell, Sorry, Blanche. So I just want to shift
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for a few minutes to talk about post two thousand,
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two thousand, to kind of when your relationship changed over
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the years with them. Did there come a time when
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mister Epstein did meet members of the royal family. Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
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when was that, Maxwell, So I need to go back
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because I think I may have misspoke, Blanche. Okay, Maxwell,
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I didn't misspeak, but Blanche, Yeah, Okay, go ahead, Maxwell,
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it's something I have forgotten, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell. Before I
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met Epstein, he lived in London for a period of time,
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I don't know for how long, and he met and
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he knew some truly fancy people, like people high society
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people that included Princess Diana's best friend. Her name was
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Rosa Monkton, and Rose's husband Dominic Lawson, who was a
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famous journalist, actually is a very well known journalist. And
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when I and he had he was friends with the
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Barings Barings Bank, and he had like sort of Blanche,
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that was what you're talking about, Maxwell, before he met me,
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Blanche before so in Maxwell, the eighties, Blanche eighties, okay, Maxwell,
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he was dating Eva Anderson, Miss Sweden. I think I
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don't know when she became Miss Sweden. Blanche, Okay, so
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earlier when you said to me that, then later Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
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you think he may have met some members of the
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royal family or certainly British high society. Maxwell. I don't
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know about the royal family, but he certainly met high
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society Blanche okay Maxwell. And the reason why I know
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this is because sometimes this is a documentable thing. Whatever,
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there's a photograph that can give you the date, because
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I don't remember what the date is of this, So
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there's something that will peg whatever the date is. I
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don't remember when that is. Epstein went to London without me.
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He often went everywhere without me, but he was in
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London without me, which was decently unusual because London's my hometown. Again,
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he went everywhere without me, did this without me, did
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that without me? So what the fuck do you think
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Layne Maxwell has to offer to this conversation. But anyway,
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he went without me and went to a big event
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in I think it was in any Way, it was
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a big event. It's on it's on the news, and
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it's like there's photographs of it. And I don't know
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if he sat with Diana or he met Diana and
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he'd already met her. I don't know, But this I
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believe was organized by Rosa and so there's I don't
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know if she was being set up for a day
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with him, maybe because I don't want to speak so
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bad of Diana, but I'm not going to do that, Blanche. Okay,
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So that was pre meeting you, Maxwell, No, that was
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that event. Happened when we were Blanche Okay, that was inaudible,
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Maxwell and I would sometimes Blanche interrupts her. Understood, Maxwell,
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it's when we once again Blanche interrupts her. Okay, Maxwell,
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I'm not going to say together. But how about this
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when I was his employee. That's a bit better, Todd, Blanche, Okay.
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So now moving back to the two thousands, did there
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come a time when mister Epstein met Prince Andrew Maxwell, Yes,
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Blanche and others in the royal family or just Prince
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Andrew as far as you know, Maxwell, Well, so as
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much as I can piece it together, all right. First
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of all, let's just state I did not introduce him
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to Prince Andrew. I did not introduce them to Prince
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Andrew or to Sarah Ferguson. That's just a flat untruth.
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I'll start with that. So now I'm going to tell
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you how he did actually meet him. So if you
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find that photograph, I can date that time when he
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met Princess Diana at that event, and based on that,
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I'll be able to tell you if it's pre your
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post that event, because I haven't looked it up and
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I've never bothered to check. So Lynn Forrester who was
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a client or some type of client, or I think
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she actually tried to date him or might have dated
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him for the record. She was in Do you want
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to ask me something, Blanche, No, go ahead, Maxwell. She
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had a house or she rented a house in the vineyard.
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I think it was in the Vineyard or Nantucket. I
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can't remember now which one it was. It was one
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of those. It was either in Nantucket or the Vineyard,
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and invited Epstein to go, and I believe that's when
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he met Prince Andrew. However, I believe before that event
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he had gone to the Bahamas and hung out with
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Sarah Ferguson, and Sarah called Epstein and had arranged with
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Lynn or I don't know. I don't know now, I'm speculating. Anyway,
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long and short, he met Andrew up there, Blanche, and
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I'm not holding you to exact date, but when approximately
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it was that, Maxwell, Well, we can date it from
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that picture. If you find me the picture, Blanche. But
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do you know, without looking at a photo in your mind,
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approximately when that was Maxwell. I want to say it
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was by two thousand, No, probably two thousand and one,
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two thousand and two, Todd, Blanche, early two thousands, Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
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And I think it was actually Prince Andrew himself who
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suggested that he met Jeffrey Epstein through you. Maxwell. I
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think that's true. So well, Leasafian, it's true that Prince
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Andrew said that. Maxwell. Yeah, no, I'm sure it's true
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because I'm English and my close friends are all close
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friends with Sarah and Andrew. And I would not say
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that I was close friends with Andrew before, but certainly
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we were friendly and certainly as best friends. Some of
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them are very close with me. And I think that
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my friendship, me being present or me is what made
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Andrew like Jeffrey Moore like trust him or I think
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that's the idea, Blanche. So you don't dispute that you're
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kind of had a role in them getting together. You're
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just saying you didn't say, Prince, here's Jeffrey. Maxwell. I
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would never have introduced them. It would never have occurred
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to me to introduce them. I couldn't imagine them being
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friends to chalk and cheese, would never I mean, for real,
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there's nothing there to connect them, but there is. This
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lady's just straight up lying. At this point. Everybody knows
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that you and Prince Andrew were playing hide the salami?
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Who you kidding? So he met Prince Andrew and then
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he had a really good relationship. I don't like that word.
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It sounds clunky. They had a friendship. She gets cut
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off by Marcus acquaintance ship Maxwell, thank you, and through
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Sarah actually, and just to be clearer during a real deposition,
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because that's not what this is. This is a fireside chat.
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Marcus couldn't jump in like that and coaches client Maxwell
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would just have to answer the questions or plead the fifth.
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But considering this is a fireside chat and not a
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real deposition, well here you are. I think Sarah's the
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one that pushed that, and they met and they hung out.
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I want to say two or three times. That had
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nothing to do with me. I wasn't communicating with Andrew,
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I wasn't in touch with him. And I know this
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because I was annoyed and I felt left out. I
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felt disrespected and I was like, this is weird. I
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couldn't even imagine Epstein and Andrew together. And I thought
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that with Sarah was trying to put the moves on Jeffrey,
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if I'm being honest, and I thought the whole thing
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was annoying, and I was pissed off. Everybody's fault but hers, Oh,
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it's Sarah Ferguson's fault. I don't know whose fault it is,
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but don't look at me. Basically what she's telling us
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right Meanwhile, this vile Skuffuza has already been convicted of
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these crimes. So at this point, all she's doing is
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trying to rewrite the narrative, Blanche, So what happened with
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their relationship? Putting aside the publicity around Prince Andrew's purported
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relationship with redacted, what happened as far as you know,
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with Prince Andrew and mister Epstein's relationship from the time
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you just described or you give me Maxwell, Okay, So
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after that, at some point Jeffrey told me. Epstein told
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me that Andrew was coming to New York and I
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needed to organize the whole thing. That's classic, by the way,
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classic Epstein. Of course, if someone, I'm like, all right, fine, whatever,
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and because he wanted to make sure that Andrew was
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taken care of and that he was comfortable, he had
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whatever he needed, YadA, YadA, YadA. And I'm like, well,
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I'm going to meet him or are you just going
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to have me do all the job? And he said, well,
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you know you can come and say hello, Like wow,
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well that's real nice of you, for real, because you
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have to understand, Like, I don't know if I told
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you this before, but I did not have the keys
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to I was not allowed to go to his house
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unless I was summoned or told. I was not allowed
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to answer his phone. We can go there, but anyway,
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so you can tell there's a bit of a sore point.
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Perhaps this lady is unbelievable, and the fact that Blanche
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is just sitting through it, I can't even imagine. Anyway,
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So Andrew came and of course the minute we got together,
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I was like yay hi. And then it was so
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nice because the difference of being in England with Prince
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Andrew versus being in New York without all the bullshit
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was insane and our friendship just like lit up like
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this because, first of all, he knew that I'm safe.
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I mean safe as in I'm not yeah, you know,
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Nigel Dempster or taking a picture. I mean not in
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a million years would I do something so gross. And
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we honestly got on like a house fire. I really
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liked him a lot, and it was so nice and
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we just became really really good friends, much more so
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than when we were in London. If I'm honest, Blanche.
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And then with the respect or adapted in Prince Andrew,
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what do you know about that relationship? All right, we're
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gonna wrap up right here and in the next episode
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we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of
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the information that goes with this episode can be found
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in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to
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another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
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picking up where we left off with Todd Blanche having
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tea and crumpets with Glenn Maxwell. Maxwell, what's an even
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bigger word than bullshit? Todd Blanche? Okay, why, well go ahead,
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but finish that thought. What do you think Maxwell? I'm
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going to tell you right now, I'm so happy to
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tell you I'm like excited, beyond excited. So there's been
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this mixture of what I've actually seen and know from
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the evidence and versus what I've put together. Impossible for
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me at this point to separate everything, But I'll tell
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you what I know versus what I saw and what
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I physically have in here. But it's helpful for you
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to know. So the allegations I have to go with
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the allegation. The allegation was that at my house in
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London in March whatever that was, two thousand and one.
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I believe we went to London, especially so that redacted
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could have a or redacted could have a relationship with
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Prince Andrew, and she was paid a vast amount of
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money for that purpose, okay, And that she then got
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in my bathroom in my house in London and had
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sex sexual relations with them, and then went into my
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guest room and had full blown sex and then left
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my house or he left, and she felt used and disgusting,
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and a photograph was taken of them just before all
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these events took place in my study. That is what
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is the story. Oh and then after that she met
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him several other times, but we'll come to that. This
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is where it will allegedly start Leah Safian and they
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went to tram maxwell. Oh. Right, we went to a
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nightclub that night, we went to dinner. Right, we went
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to dinner and then to tram Okay. So the first
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thing about that weekend, that specific weekend, was it was
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my mom's eightieth birthday and I was in the country
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and I have some corroborating evidence for that and a
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lot of testimonial that you can check. So that takes
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care of the reason why I won, of the reasons
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why her story doesn't hold water. The second reason, so,
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by the way, when I say that my mom turned eighty,
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that actual weekend was her birthday is on March the eleventh.
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And the reason why I went to London, and I
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presume this I don't remember, is why when we were there.
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So the whole trip started because of Alberto Pinto, who
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is a decorator for the island and for New York
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as well, and he wanted Epstein to go and see
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what the house in Marrakesh, if I remember rightly, and
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went via Alhambra. It was also for New Mexico, so
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there's architectural pieces, you know, pain and that was the
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basis of that trip. And I suspect now that that
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trip was planned all around the fact that I had
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to be in and wanted to be in, was going
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to be in London no matter what, for my mom's
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eightieth birthday at my brother's house in the country, which
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is approximately an hour outside of London, an hour and
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a half Leasafian an hour and a half Maxwell an
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hour and a half outside of London in my brother's home,
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and we all congregated on the Saturday for her birthday
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celebration on the Sunday, and then we left. So that's that.
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The second reason why, probably maybe even the more important
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reason than my mom's birthday that I think it's absolute
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rubbish is that Prince Andrew the idea of him doing
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anything of that nature in my house. That's the size
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of this room is so mind blowingly not conceivable to
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me as a man or what. I just can't I
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can't even know, Marcus, Is there any way that it
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could have happened? Maxwell, No, David Marcus Okay, Leisafian described
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the physical plan. Maxwell, Oh, the physical So the house
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was tiny. I think it's nine hundred square feet in total. Well,
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maybe that is that right? Maybe nine? Leisafian, Yes, Maxwell,
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it is on three floors, however, so you're talking about little.
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It's a jewel. It used to be a stable for
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a horse. It was a stable for the big house.
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It was a little poor man's home behind the rich
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man's home. It's a jewel. It was a gorgeous little piece.
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But it's the size of a nut. If you make
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a noise, let's say, a little burp or something you
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don't want, you don't hear. It's just where she says
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that they had relations in the bathroom. First of all,
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the bath is an old Victorian bath. I'm quite small.
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It's tight for me. I put my brother in there
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to see what would happen, and it looks like a blavette,
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which is a sausage, and like a very tight skin.
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So her description or whatever the two people were doing
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in the tub, that wouldn't work. The bathroom itself is
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so small you can't lie flat on the floor, so
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it couldn't happen on the floor because you physically physically
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can This bathroom is too small to even be on
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the floor. And then the kicker of all the kickers
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is that because the bathroom was so small, I decorated
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it to try to make it look huge, which meant
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that I put mirrors the whole way around it. And
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that was so fun about being in there is that
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you stood in the bathroom, you saw like one hundred
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of you, like if you were in Marcus, a funhouse, Maxwell, Yeah,
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Alice in Wonderland or one of those things, that you
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would see yourself going stretching everything and the image if
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you said you were let's say you were Let's say
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that redacted was telling the truth. She could say that
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she was having sex with five thousand generations of the
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royal family, because that's how far back you could see yourself.
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There is no way on God's green Earth if that
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had taken place that this is something that you would
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miss because you couldn't miss it. If you were standing there,
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you'd see the whole the FBI, the whole Department of
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Justice standing behind you. It's like, no blanche, did you Saffian?
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And also, let me just explain where the tap was
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in the bathtub. Maxwell, Oh, well, it's an old Victorian
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It had a tap. So if you were in, if
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you were in the tap top right, this is the tub,
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my tap would be here. I think, no Blanche, So
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you think it's kind of logistically and physically not something
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that could have happened, Glenn Maxwell. While there's that, and
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there's just Andrew would he's so English. He had a
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tie on, yo. He had a tie on, folks. So
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that's the end of it. Because he's wearing a tie,
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he couldn't have done this. And furthermore, if Prince Andrew
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didn't do this, why didn't his dumbass fight it in court.
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Let's go to discovery, prove that she's a liar, and
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let's keep it moving. As I've said a million times before,
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I'm willing to look at whatever evidence is out there.
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If you have evidence that says that Prince Andrew's innocent,
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let's see that shit. David Marcus, do you think there's
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any way that it could have happened or No? Maxwell?
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Absolutely not. Wait, I haven't finished, so on her, Blanche Maxwell? Sorry, Marcus, No,
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go ahead, go ahead, Maxwell, I'm sorry, Blanche, go ahead,
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Please go ahead and finish? Maxwell? Sorry? Can I finish? Blanche? Okay? Maxwell?
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When all this nonsense took place, where this whole story
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with the picture and this and that and this bullshit,
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I believe that this whole thing was manufactured, and I
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can point you to some potentially corroborating evidence of this.
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So when she gave the photograph to the FBI in Australia,
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Diego Pastana. Just to be clear, the photo you're talking about,
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you're talking about this famous one, Glenn Maxwell. Yeah, I
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have an image of it here. Who wants to look
22:12
at it? Diego Pastana where Andrew is holding redacted and
22:15
you're in the background, Maxwell, the fake Just to be clear.
22:20
So on the back of that, and this is in
22:22
the discovery by the way, I don't know if it's
22:24
in I don't know where which discovery I saw it
22:26
in now, But she wrote redacted wrote on the back
22:31
of it, the picture that was taken in January of
22:33
two thousand and on two thousand or two thousand and one,
22:36
I don't remember, Blanche okay Maxwell. So now in her
22:40
handwriting that she's given the FBI this picture, suddenly now
22:43
it's March. How do you go from her writing it's
22:46
January to March. It's because only it's the only one
22:49
that could fit with the flight logs that when she
22:53
could be in London and this took place. The second
22:56
thing is that I'm so excited to tell you this,
22:59
there's a journalist. I know you guys are quite well,
23:01
I don't know the fake news is at work here.
23:04
So there's this journalist called Channon Churcher, there is a
23:07
lawyer call Brad Edwards these two, and there is a
23:10
Southern District of Florida prosecutor called Villa Fauna. I would
23:13
very much look forward to showing you the relationship between
23:16
these three parties that created that story. Blanche. Why, well,
23:21
without putting aside the relationship, why do you think they
23:23
created that story? Maxwell? I believe that story was created
23:27
for the purpose of Well, they're multiple. The first one
23:30
is financial, the second one is for the purpose of
23:33
the CVR case. The third one was for a serialization
23:37
both of her book and in the papers, and the
23:39
story to attack the royal family. And just so, as
23:43
Blanche interrupts her, so I think when when we were
23:46
just about to ask about the photo, you said, actually
23:48
you thought the photo was fake. Do you think it
23:51
was just misdated or do you think it's a fake,
23:53
literally a fake Maxwell. I believe it's literally a fake photo. Blanche.
23:58
Why do you think that, Maxwell? Well, first of all,
24:01
I don't remember it, Blanche, but you Maxwell, right, Okay,
24:05
but the outfit I'm wearing, Blanche. Yeah, Maxwell, the outfit
24:09
from my mom's birthday party, Blanche. So you don't have
24:13
any Do you dispute that they've met each other, David Marcus,
24:17
do you know whether they've met each other? Maxwell, I
24:20
do not know that they met. She just perjured herself. Again.
24:23
I've pointed out now three different times where Maxwell has
24:26
perjured herself. But this Justice department just keeps it moving,
24:31
doesn't challenge her, doesn't question her, and doesn't do anything
24:35
about it. Blanche. Okay, so you think the photograph is fake,
24:40
but you also are not even positive they actually ever
24:42
met each other. Maxwell, I'm not, Blanche. So you don't
24:46
have a specific recollection of kind of being at an
24:49
event or a party at your apartment or you know,
24:52
you're flat in London with Prince Andrew and a redacted Maxwell.
24:55
Absolutely not. David Marcus interjects here because he knows she's
24:59
per during herself. She doesn't know one way or the other, Todd,
25:03
Blanche understand that, and this is called coaching. In a
25:07
real deposition, this doesn't occur. Just take a look at
25:10
the other depositions we went through, and look how contentious.
25:13
They all are certainly not a friendly tone, like you're
25:16
having a cup of tea and chewing on some crumpets. Maxwell.
25:20
The reason I'm not hesitant, I just don't have any
25:23
memory of that. That's not the issue. The issue is
25:26
could Andrew have come to the house to see me
25:28
or see Epstein and say hi, and she had been there? Yes,
25:31
I can't say that that didn't happen. So why'd you
25:34
have a seventeen year old girl with you in England?
25:36
Just because? What about all the other photos together? What
25:39
about the photos from Zoro Ranch or the other photos
25:42
at different properties? Are those all fake? Two? But what
25:47
I can absolutely categorically say is that I never, at
25:50
any time set Andrew up to have relations with her
25:53
or any other human being ever. And I can categorically
25:56
state that her characterization of whatever may ormain not have happened.
26:00
Could physically would just know. And Plus I was in
26:05
the country, so all of that's just not conceivable. Blanche.
26:08
Did you attend did you attend social parties? I really
26:12
now am focused on two thousand plus, so not not
26:15
the earlier where mister Epstein would host a party or
26:18
be a big part of hosting a party and some
26:21
of or many of the young women who were messuses
26:23
would be invited to the party as guests or his entertainment.
26:27
Why does this guy keep calling people massuses? Our sixteen
26:31
year old high school girls massuses? Don't you have to
26:33
be like licensed and shit? So he's out here just
26:37
talking nonsense once again, has no idea what he's doing,
26:40
just floundering around and letting Glaine Maxwell and David Marcus
26:44
lead the dance. Maxwell, I certainly went to his house
26:48
when he would have people who would be there. I
26:51
called them the way I would think of it, and
26:53
I would characterize it where his entourage. That's how I
26:56
thought about it, and that certainly was in the later
26:58
two thousands. Yes, Blanche, did you attend any weddings of
27:02
famous people with mister Epstein? Again, I'm mostly focused on
27:05
post post two thousand, but if there's something that comes
27:09
to mind in the nineties, that's fine as well. Maxwell,
27:12
a wedding Blanche weddings Maxwell with Epstein. I don't think
27:16
I ever went to a wedding with Epstein. I can't
27:19
think of a wedding that I ever went to with him, Blanche,
27:22
do you know so? Don't you don't remember you didn't
27:25
attend President Clinton's daughter's wedding, Maxwell, I did, Blanche Chelsea
27:31
Clinton's Maxwell, Right, Blanche, but that wasn't with mister Epstein. Maxwell, No,
27:36
it was with Ted Waite, my boyfriend, Blanche. Say it again,
27:40
with Ted Waite, my boyfriend, Blanche. Okay. Do you know
27:43
whether mister Epstein was at that wedding, Glenn Maxwell, he
27:47
was not. All right, We're gonna wrap up right here,
27:50
and in the next episode we're gonna pick up where
27:52
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27:59
and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
28:03
this episode, we're getting right back to the transcripts from
28:07
Glenn Maxwell's DOJ meeting Todd Blanche. Okay, and how did
28:15
you have a relationship? Why did you get invited to
28:18
that wedding? Maxwell? Because Ted and the Clinton's were very close, Blanche?
28:24
And how were you close to them? Like that was
28:26
the reason you were close to them? Maxwell? I met
28:30
President Clinton. Well, first of all, I went to the
28:32
White House with Epstein once for I think it was
28:35
for a historical like one of those benefits, and I
28:38
met the President then, but like a thousand other people
28:41
shook his hand. And then after that, I had a
28:43
very good friend of mine that was the mayor known
28:46
to be the mayor of Miami Beach. Philip Levine. And
28:49
Philip and the President were very good friends, and Philip
28:52
was very and I were very good friends. So I
28:55
actually was introduced to the president post is coming out
28:58
of the White House and can't friendly with them because
29:01
of Philip Levine, David Marcus, because of what Glenn Maxwell,
29:05
Philip Levine, Blanche, there are some names that have been
29:08
publicly associated with mister Epstein that I just want to
29:12
ask you if you know about Pierre's Morgan Glenn Maxwell.
29:16
Is he friendly with who? Todd Blanche? Mister Epstein, Glenn Maxwell,
29:20
have no idea? Never, I doubt it, Blanche. Yeah, there's
29:24
no trick question. I'm trying Maxwell. Okay, Yeah, Blanche, I'm
29:28
not suggesting that I know the answer to it. I'm
29:30
generally just asking Glen Maxwell. Well, I would be astonished.
29:35
I can't imagine they had anything in common either, Blanche.
29:38
How about to that she's cut off Diego pastana cuts
29:43
in Were you friends with Pierres Morgan, Glenn Maxwell, I've
29:46
met him. I've met him. I met him at an
29:49
event in Manhattan. I can't remember what in more recently,
29:53
so probably in twenty twelve or thirteen, something like that,
29:56
and we had a very nice conversation. So I remember that.
30:00
I remember thinking, I don't remember if I had never
30:03
met him before, but I remember thinking how nice he was,
30:06
and I was surprised, so I liked him. What can
30:09
I tell you? So that's the only one, that's the
30:11
only memory I have of that. I'm not sure if
30:14
that's correct, but that's what I think, Blanche. I don't
30:17
have a correct or incorrect answer. I just want you
30:20
to tell the truth. Maxwell, No, I just don't. I
30:23
just want to try, and Blanche, No, I want you
30:26
to believe me, because I mean this. There is so
30:29
much information in the public sphere. Maxwell. Oh, I see, okay, Blanche,
30:33
about you, about mister Epstein and others around, and some
30:37
of it is definitely true and some of it is
30:39
definitely false. Maxwell, Okay, all right, I guess that, Blanche.
30:44
So when I ask a question, if I think that
30:47
you're not being honest or that you're missing something, I'm
30:50
not Look, this isn't to get you Maxwell. Okay, I'll
30:55
say that to you. Did you ever meet JFK Junior
30:58
Glenn Maxwell? I'm sorry, Blanche. Did you ever meet JFK Junior? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche?
31:04
When was that? Maxwell? I met him at Andrew Cuomo's wedding. No,
31:09
Carrie's wedding. Carrie's wedding? Who did Carrie Mary? Andrew Cuomo? Sorry, Blanche? Okay,
31:15
Maxwell Andrew Cuomo's wedding in Blanche? So then would that
31:20
have been approximately Maxwell nineteen ninety Blanche, so before Maxwell
31:25
ninety nine. I don't something like that, Blanche, but you
31:29
would have been before you met mister Epstein Maxwell. Maybe, yes, Blanche.
31:33
Did you have any sort of professional or social relationship
31:37
with JFK Junior? Maxwell? I fancied him, Blanche? You what? Maxwell?
31:42
I thought he was very attractive, Blanche. Oh, you fancied
31:46
him Maxwell? Sorry, Blanche. Besides him finding him attractive and
31:50
fancying him, did you have any sort of, you know,
31:52
social relationship with him? Maxwell? I mean we knew each other.
31:56
I thought he was wonderful and fun, and I enjoyed
31:58
meeting him. We went out. I want to say we
32:01
had a dinner or two. But obviously I was very excited.
32:04
But that was it, Blanche. And then Alan Dershowitz. Maxwell,
32:08
what's the question with Alan? Blanche? Do you say that again? Maxwell?
32:13
What's the question, Blanche? Do you know mister Dershowitz? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche,
32:18
do you know whether he knew mister Epstein? Do you
32:20
know the nature of their relationship? Maxwell? Okay, I definitely
32:23
do know Alan. I want him just trying to remember
32:26
if I knew him. I'm trying to remember how I
32:28
met him, Blanche, okay. And if I met him separate,
32:31
I don't remember, Blanche, okay, Maxwell, so that I have
32:35
no recollection. I know that he was Epstein's lawyer. I
32:39
don't know if they had any relationship prior to that.
32:41
I don't remember. I do Actually, sorry, I think they
32:45
met at the same Martha's vineyard through Lynn Forrester. I
32:48
think that's what happened. I think that's it, Blanche. Why
32:51
do you think that, Maxwell? Because it just popped into
32:54
my head. Blanche okay? And did you you said that
32:58
mister Dershowitz was mister Epstein's attorney. Do you know whether
33:01
they had socialized? Maxwell? So, my personal memory of when
33:05
I remember. I have two distinct memories with Alan. One
33:08
is with them and his wife at the island, and
33:10
I actually remember that, and I remember, I think going
33:14
to his house in Boston, if he had a house
33:16
in Boston. That was the only two times I remember, Blanche,
33:20
did you ever observe mister Dershowitz doing anything appropriate with
33:23
young women around Epstein? Maxwell? Never, Blanche? Did you ever
33:27
hear anybody? Did anybody ever tell you that he had
33:30
done anything inappropriate? Maxwell? Absolutely not, Blanche, did you or
33:36
do you know, one way or the other whether mister
33:39
Dershowitz ever got a massage at the island or any
33:43
of the locations that he was at with mister Epstein Maxwell,
33:46
I don't remember anything about him ever getting a massage.
33:49
I don't ever have any recollection. I don't believe I
33:52
ever even saw him in a bathrobe. I have no
33:54
knowledge of that, Blanche. I'm jumping around a little bit.
33:58
You mentioned, I think briefly, the Taramar project. Maxwell. Yes, Blanche,
34:03
what's that? Maxwell? I founded Taromar. Well, the idea of
34:07
Taramar came I think in twenty ten. So I just
34:10
want to explain Taramar a little bit. So Ted and
34:13
I bought a boat. Well, Ted bought a boat, and
34:16
the basis of the boat was to do explorations and
34:19
see exploratory stuff. This really started because I have and
34:23
have had since I was a child, a love of
34:25
the ocean and everything aquatic, and I've always been I'm
34:29
nervous about the state of the ocean. When Ted and
34:32
I we worked with National Geographic and we did exploratory
34:35
work and the most exciting We did many exciting things,
34:39
but one of the most fabulous ones we did was
34:42
we looked for Amelia Earhart twice. I did two expeditions
34:46
to look for Amelia Earhart as an example of exploration
34:50
that we did. And he had a foundation for the ocean,
34:53
and we work with that geo. We worked with woods Hull,
34:56
We did amazing things. He bought the Remis six thousands.
35:00
So when the plane went missing, the plane that went
35:03
was it ur France from Brazil to Paris that went down.
35:06
It was the Remiss six thousand that found that plane.
35:09
It's one of those deep sea explorers. Anyway, when I
35:13
broke up with Ted, one of the things I did
35:15
not want to give up was my love for the
35:17
ocean and everything that we did at Taramar, and Genesis
35:20
of Taramara came from that. So Taramar obviously means land
35:24
and sea. And the story of the ocean is that
35:26
Earth really shouldn't be called earth, it should be called
35:30
ocean because three quarters of its ocean. So I wanted
35:34
to not clash with anything to do with Ted, because
35:38
it was a bit awkward between us, and he took
35:40
all the part of the ocean that was close to land,
35:44
so within two hundred miles, and so I decided I
35:47
would focus on all the part of the ocean that
35:50
was outside of national borders, Teramar. And that's how that's
35:54
how the genesis of Taramarah came to be, Okay, Blanche,
35:58
So what was the time period of that maxwell I
36:01
think after I broke up with Ted, so twenty ten
36:04
eleven is when it started. And then I ran it
36:08
all the way up until whenever the Epstein drama struck,
36:11
and then I just shut it down. Not I shut
36:14
it down because I didn't want what was happening to
36:17
hurt any of the Smithsonian or nat GEO. So I
36:21
couldn't let everything be hurt by what was happening to me, Blanche.
36:25
Do you know Jean Luke Brunel Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, how
36:29
do you know him? Maxwell? I met him so when
36:32
I told you I was working for the European for
36:34
my dad, Blanche, uh huh, and I was in charge Blanche.
36:39
So back in the nineties early nineties Maxwell, Yeah, and
36:42
I was running a magazine. One of the things in
36:45
the magazine is fashion, and so I was going to
36:47
some fashion shows and I was looking for fashion sponsorship.
36:50
And in fact, when I came to America, one of
36:53
the first sponsors that I got for it was Ron
36:55
Perlman at Revlon, who was great. And I met Jean
36:58
Luke through just in Paris like that, but socially not.
37:02
She's cut off by Blanche. Did mister Epstein know him
37:05
as well? Did you later learn whether they knew each other.
37:08
I'm not sure he would have. Epstein had his own
37:12
fashion situation, so he didn't meet Jean Luke through me, Blanche.
37:17
Did you ever observe them together over the years? Maxwell? Absolutely, Yeah,
37:21
I saw them together many times, Blanche. Did he visit
37:26
the island? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche. Did he go to the
37:29
Pond Beach House? Maxwell? Yes, he went, Yeah, he went everywhere.
37:32
I saw him in every place. Blanche, did you ever
37:36
observe him getting a massage or do you know whether
37:39
he got a massage? Maybe you didn't observe him personally?
37:42
You don't remember Maxwell, I don't know. I mean I never.
37:46
I have no conscious memory of Jean Luke. I would
37:48
imagine that he did, but I never. I don't see it, Blanche.
37:53
How about mister Weinstein, Harvey Weinstein, Maxwell, what would you
37:57
like to know, Blanche? Do you know him? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche,
38:01
how do you know him? Like I guess when I
38:03
say how do you know him? Is it a relationship
38:06
you had kind of separate from Epstein or did you guys?
38:09
Did you meet him through mister Epstein or both? Maxwell,
38:12
I wouldn't say. First of all, I wouldn't say I
38:14
had any type of relationship with Harvey Weinstein, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
38:18
in any context socially, I would have met him because
38:22
I would go to events with Harvey and he would
38:24
be there. And also his wife was English back then, Georgina,
38:28
and I mean friendly also would be a big word,
38:31
more like acquaintance, and so we would see each other
38:35
and I would go to a mirror Max events. There
38:37
was a couple of people who work with Harvey, who
38:40
I was friendly with. His primary producer, whose name was
38:43
Meryl Poster, who I was friendly with. And yeah, Blanche,
38:48
do you know whether mister Epstein had his own relationship
38:50
with mister Weinstein Maxwell? He did, Blanche? Did they socialize
38:56
together at the island or in Palm Beach or in
38:58
New Mexico? Max? I never saw Harvey at any of
39:02
Epstein's houses, so socialize. I don't know that they were friends.
39:06
I mean, I can't see them together either, I mean literally,
39:09
but I know that they certainly do that I would imagine,
39:13
and in fact, I think I have a memory, but
39:15
I can't that when Harvey was trying to raise money
39:18
for whatever his business was called. I can't remember what
39:21
his business was called. Maybe he went there because Epstein
39:24
was good at raising money. I just don't know. But
39:27
I never saw them. I don't recall seeing Harvey in
39:31
any of Epstein's properties, Blanche. So let's take a few
39:35
more minutes and take a break. I know it's after lunch.
39:39
So we talked several hours ago about your father and
39:41
his business, A little bit after your father passed. Do
39:44
you know whether mister Epstein was involved in your family
39:48
business that you know of, Maxwell, absolutely not in any respect.
39:52
First of all, there was no family business left start
39:55
with that problem. And the second one is my family
39:58
didn't like him very much and they were busy dealing
40:01
with their own problems, and there was no relationship whatsoever.
40:04
I mean, my mom and he got along quite well.
40:07
That was it. But that was She's an old lady,
40:10
and you know he was nice to her. Blanche where
40:13
now being a little repetitive, but you're confident that before
40:16
you met mister Epstein, he didn't know your father, and
40:19
so there's no he wouldn't have done business with your
40:22
father's companies in the eighties either. Maxwell, absolutely not. I'm
40:26
one hundred percent sure of that. I never met him.
40:29
I never saw him, I never heard his name, nothing, Blanche.
40:34
So there's been a lot of conversation about whether mister
40:36
Epstein maintained like a list of people, like a book
40:39
of famous people that he knew, like it's called a
40:42
black book, or a client list or a list. Do
40:45
you know of the existence of any such list, Maxwell,
40:48
There is no list. We'll start with that. The genesis
40:51
of that story I can actually trace for you from
40:54
its absolute inception. If that's what you're interested in, Blanche,
40:58
it is. Well, first, you know, to be short, there
41:02
is no list. There's no client list, nothing like that. Maxwell. No,
41:06
there is nothing like that, Blanche, that you know of Maxwell,
41:10
that I obviously, yeah, Blanche, Right, okay, So you say
41:15
you think you know the genesis, So go ahead and
41:17
tell us. I'd like you to know that I have
41:19
brought some supporting corroborative evidence. Blanche, Well, tell me what
41:24
it is and then we'll get the corroboration. Saphian, Well,
41:29
why don't you tell him first? Marcus is this Do
41:32
you want to take a break here, because this is long, Blanche,
41:35
It's a long story. Maxwell, Yeah, this is long, Blanche. Yeah,
41:39
let's take a break. Spencer Horn, all right, the time
41:42
is two three, and we're going to take a break
41:44
right now, off the record at two o three. All right, folks,
41:48
we're gonna wrap this one up right here, and in
41:50
the next episode we'll pick up where we left off.
41:53
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