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The Late Debate | 5 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us on the Late Debate. I'm James
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  Speaker 3: Macpherson with freyer Leitch and Caleb Bond coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Australians divided over a plan to teach pawn literacy to
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  Speaker 3: eleven year old children, plus Danes outraged after a zoo
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  Speaker 3: invites people to donate their pets to help feed the lions,
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  Speaker 3: and counselors proposed monitoring people's happiness in a bid to
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  Speaker 3: transform Melbourne into Australia's most optimistic place but first. Plans
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  Speaker 3: to host the Olympic Games in Brisbane have hit another obstacle,
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  Speaker 3: this time in the form of an Aboriginal land claim.
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  Speaker 3: Aboriginal leaders have filed a legal application to block development
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  Speaker 3: of the proposed Olympic stadium.
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  Speaker 4: At Victoria Park.
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  Speaker 3: The group claims the site is of profound cultural and
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  Speaker 3: spiritual significance, which is interesting since a large chunk of
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  Speaker 3: the site is a golf course and before that a
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  Speaker 3: rubbish dump, and no one was claiming profound cultural significance
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  Speaker 3: then only now that someone's proposing to build something useful
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  Speaker 3: on it. Indigenous leaders are arguing the site contains ancient
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  Speaker 3: trees presumably of the sort that are routinely cleared without
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  Speaker 3: complaint to make way for solar and wind farms. They
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  Speaker 3: also claim Victoria Park contains Aboriginal artifacts and possibly ancestral remains,
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  Speaker 3: not actual remains, possible ones because nothing says solid legal
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  Speaker 3: ground like a good maybe, but the objection may be
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  Speaker 3: for nothing. The LNP government recently passed laws enabling Olympic
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  Speaker 3: infrastructure projects to bypass existing heritage and environmental protections.
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  Speaker 4: But whether the land.
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  Speaker 3: Claim is successful or not, people are so weary of
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  Speaker 3: these claims and freyer you get the feeling this action
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  Speaker 3: was inevitable wherever the stadium was going to be built.
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  Speaker 1: There are some.
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  Speaker 5: People that just want to oppose things for the sake
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  Speaker 5: of opposing them, and unfortunately for Indigenous Australians, when these
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  Speaker 5: sorts of vexatious complaints are launched against genuinely useful infrastructure
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  Speaker 5: that we serve Australians for the twenty thirty two Olympics
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  Speaker 5: and beyond, when projects like that are opposed, it weakens
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  Speaker 5: all Indigenous land claims because people just go, seriously, this
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  Speaker 5: is what you're complaining about. I mean it's a park.
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  Speaker 5: It was a golf course, a rubbish tip. This is
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  Speaker 5: hardly in the original state it was once used by
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  Speaker 5: Indigenous people for it's been a long time since it
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  Speaker 5: had any significance. I'm sorry, but that's the reality. So seriously,
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  Speaker 5: you're actually doing.
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  Speaker 1: A disservice to all Indigenous land claims.
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  Speaker 6: That's exactly why I hope it is successful, because I
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  Speaker 6: hope it makes an example of these land claims.
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  Speaker 4: My eye ample still in the.
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  Speaker 6: I hate virtue signaling and I hate people who will
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  Speaker 6: talk the talk but won't walk the walk. And this
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  Speaker 6: Olympic Games in Brisbane in twenty thirty two bost of
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  Speaker 6: the fact that will be the first Olympic Games ever
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  Speaker 6: with a reconciliation action plan. It says on the Olympics
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  Speaker 6: website that our vision is to uplift Aboriginal and Torres
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  Speaker 6: strait Under peoples and communities economically, socially, emotionally and physically, before, during,
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  Speaker 6: and after the Games.
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  Speaker 2: Well, how do you like them?
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  Speaker 4: Apples?
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  Speaker 6: The Aboriginal people say, we don't want you to do this,
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  Speaker 6: but you have committed to a reconciliation action plan that
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  Speaker 6: says you're going to do great things for Aboriginal people.
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  Speaker 2: Now you have a big problem.
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  Speaker 6: Governments create these laws and so I hope on that
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  Speaker 6: basis they are successful. So they have to force the
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  Speaker 6: virtue signalers in Queensland and the Olympics to eat their words.
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  Speaker 6: And I also hope they're successful because I don't think
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  Speaker 6: Victoria Park should be turned into a great, big bloody stadium.
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  Speaker 4: Can I just start some question.
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  Speaker 3: Did you say that part of their reconciliation plan for
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  Speaker 3: the Olympic Games? Yes, is to make Indigenous people feel better?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, it says etional, economically, socially, emotionally, physically, before, during.
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  Speaker 7: And after the games. There you go, that's that's what
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  Speaker 7: the Olympics has to do.
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  Speaker 8: So if aboriginallycisely, precisely this which is the thing, if
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  Speaker 8: they want to say that we'll have reconciliation action plans
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  Speaker 8: and look how great we are.
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  Speaker 2: If Aboriginal people.
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  Speaker 6: Then turn around and say, well, actually we don't want
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  Speaker 6: you to do it there, how can they say no
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  Speaker 6: to that? Because they've already dug themselves the whole in
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  Speaker 6: which they have to abide by these sorts of things,
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  Speaker 6: have they not?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, and they're not really following the reconciliation action
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  Speaker 5: plan at all.
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  Speaker 1: Already, straight off the bat.
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  Speaker 5: They've passed new laws which means they can override any
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  Speaker 5: heritage or environmental laws. And so this group is actually
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  Speaker 5: appealing to the federal courts to strike down those state
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  Speaker 5: laws that the LNP government has put through so they
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  Speaker 5: don't have to listen to indigenous communities. So I mean,
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  Speaker 5: just pick aside and stick to it. That's the point here.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know why they can't find some rubbish bit
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  Speaker 6: of lands, so a bit like they did with Sydney
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  Speaker 6: Olympic Park. You know, it was called Homebush when they
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  Speaker 6: originally developed it, but that was a rubbish tip that
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  Speaker 6: was then contaminated with all sorts of gear and they
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  Speaker 6: remediated it and turned it into something useful instead.
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  Speaker 3: Of nowhere home bushes in the middle of nowhere was
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  Speaker 3: Victoria Park is just minutes from the city of Britain.
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  Speaker 6: But are you telling me that Sydney Olympic Park did
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  Speaker 6: not work successfully in the Sydney Olympics.
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  Speaker 4: I hate going there for the football. It's miles oh.
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  Speaker 7: Were you complaining about what? But it's still useful.
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  Speaker 6: It's got the show grounds there, but everyone goes there
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  Speaker 6: for the Sydney East to show there's nothing wrong with homebooks.
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  Speaker 6: So you want to take you want to take a
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  Speaker 6: park that's been there since the eighteen sixties, that was
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  Speaker 6: set aside in the early days of Brisbane to be
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  Speaker 6: open green space for people, and say, let's just put
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  Speaker 6: concrete over the top of it, because there will be
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  Speaker 6: no bloody green space left in our country soon. If
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  Speaker 6: that's what you want to.
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  Speaker 3: Do, I think it's much better use of that land
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  Speaker 3: than just green space.
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  Speaker 4: Have a massive state. Let's ript it doesn't work.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's rip up.
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  Speaker 6: Let's rip up Centennial Park in Sydney and turn it
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  Speaker 6: into into more states.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's let's let's rip up.
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  Speaker 3: Let's rip up Central Park in New Yorkoria parks in
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  Speaker 3: perfect location for a stage.
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  Speaker 1: You have to go back. We have to go back
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  Speaker 1: to what is the point of a park. Is it
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  Speaker 1: just there for.
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  Speaker 5: The aesthetics of endless green space or is it there
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  Speaker 5: to enhance human flourishing and the development of Brisbane and
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  Speaker 5: the overall experience of the city. Having a stadium within
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  Speaker 5: minutes of the city, in a place that is already
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  Speaker 5: connected to transport, it's the most cost efact to build
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  Speaker 5: the stadium.
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  Speaker 1: This was the best place to build it.
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  Speaker 3: And the alternative was Nathan which is out sort of
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  Speaker 3: near McGregor Sunnybank area, which again is or they.
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  Speaker 7: Could read the Gabba, but they don't want to read it.
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  Speaker 6: Well, these rail yards about a kilometer away from Victoria
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  Speaker 6: Park that are absolutely awful that they could turn into
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  Speaker 6: a into a stadium, But anyway, they're not going to
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  Speaker 6: do that, are they now?
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  Speaker 2: Jin Z.
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  Speaker 6: It seems they're all feeling a particular way and so
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  Speaker 6: they're all asking themselves this question.
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  Speaker 9: Wellow good but to Hank Williams Junior and Linda Ronstad
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  Speaker 9: for a Tuesday Night here on the Late Debate, but.
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  Speaker 6: To report in the Sydney Morning Herald today that jen
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  Speaker 6: Z feel like they are losing the opportunity to find love.
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  Speaker 6: They are abandoning, so he says the headline the idea
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  Speaker 6: of love because the window is closing. They're getting too
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  Speaker 6: old now and feeling like, well, my parents were getting
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  Speaker 6: married and having kids at this point in their life,
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  Speaker 6: and where am I. I don't have a house to
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  Speaker 6: my name, I've barely finished my university degree and I
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  Speaker 6: don't have anyone to date. They're feeling a bit hopeless
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  Speaker 6: and helpless. Annabelle King was quoted in the Sydney Morning Herald,
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  Speaker 6: She's twenty seven saying I feel like I just finished school,
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  Speaker 6: went to university, got a professional job, and then it
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  Speaker 6: was just like bam, everyone else has gotten a head
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  Speaker 6: and I'm still here.
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  Speaker 2: Hold On, I've got no prospects.
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  Speaker 6: I look at this timeline. I'm turning twenty this year.
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, well, hold on, I also have a body.
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  Speaker 2: Clock to work with.
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  Speaker 6: It's freaked me out so much that I am freezing
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  Speaker 6: my eggs. Roger Lang twenty three also said finding something
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  Speaker 6: that you like is kind of exhaust some Body I
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  Speaker 6: should say that you like is kind of exhausting, and
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  Speaker 6: then for them to like you back is also a process.
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  Speaker 6: It's a lot now, Roger. That's how dating has always worked.
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  Speaker 6: I hate to tell you, but there is one major
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  Speaker 6: difference in the dating game these days, and that is.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, dating apps.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if you've been to a pub or
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  Speaker 6: a restaurant or a bar or anything. Recently, people don't
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  Speaker 6: talk to each other anymore. They don't pull up to
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  Speaker 6: someone in a bar and say can I bar you
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  Speaker 6: a drink and have a chat. They'll actually sit in
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  Speaker 6: a bar. On dating apps wiping away. You know, blokes
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  Speaker 6: all do it while girls are sitting at the other
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  Speaker 6: table doing exactly the same thing, and they look like you,
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  Speaker 6: look at you, like you some sort of martian who's
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  Speaker 6: come from another planet if you're there to go and
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  Speaker 6: approach them in person. I fear that dating apps have
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  Speaker 6: done to dating what social media has done to socialization.
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  Speaker 7: It is an.
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  Speaker 6: Extension of the loneliness epidemic.
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  Speaker 7: We live in a.
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  Speaker 6: World where we are more connected than ever in some ways,
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  Speaker 6: and yet we have grown further apart than we have
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  Speaker 6: ever been. Combine that with a lifestyle that now says
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  Speaker 6: that you know, you must go to university at all
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  Speaker 6: costs and keep studying and whatever. You don't leave home
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  Speaker 6: now until your late twenties in many cases because you
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  Speaker 6: can't afford to buy a house. You're not really living
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  Speaker 6: a lifestyle that is conducive to finding a long term partner.
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  Speaker 6: Sure you might be able to go and date a
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  Speaker 6: bit and hang out every now and again, but it's
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  Speaker 6: not the sort of circumstance where you can see a
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  Speaker 6: vision of buying a house together and having kids and
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  Speaker 6: a life and all that sort of thing. So it
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  Speaker 6: seems to make sense that we would end up in
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  Speaker 6: this position where gen Z's like, I just can't do
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  Speaker 6: it anymore.
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  Speaker 3: So we're talking about young people age between twenty eight
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  Speaker 3: and thirty three, more than half of whom say they
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  Speaker 3: have never had a.
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  Speaker 4: Real relationship in their life.
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  Speaker 3: These are people twenty eight to thirty three year olds,
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  Speaker 3: and of course most of their parents were well and
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  Speaker 3: truly married and starting families by that age, and has
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  Speaker 3: massive effects for society. You've got declining birth rates, so
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  Speaker 3: clearly this is not good for populating the country.
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  Speaker 4: You get social isolation.
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  Speaker 3: As you mentioned Caleb, which then has mental health effects
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  Speaker 3: that's going to cost a motza in terms of public health.
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  Speaker 3: And then you've got delayed economic development because if you're
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  Speaker 3: not partnering up, you're not having children, you're not buying
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  Speaker 3: a home, you're not settling down and developing that equity.
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  Speaker 3: And so the inability of young people to find partners
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  Speaker 3: has long term effects for all of society.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, and I think there are a few
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  Speaker 5: things going on here. I think one of the big
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  Speaker 5: challenges for young people is they do not know how
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  Speaker 5: to behave There is a massive mismatch between young men
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  Speaker 5: and young women, like they just don't talk to each
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  Speaker 5: other anymore, they don't socialize together. There is no standard
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  Speaker 5: etiquette for how to date. And because torn down all
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  Speaker 5: of these social boundaries, all of these manners that traditionally
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  Speaker 5: guided the way you date. You take someone out, you
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  Speaker 5: pay for dinner, you drop her home, none of that
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  Speaker 5: happens anymore, and so young people don't know how to
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  Speaker 5: interact with each other, so.
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  Speaker 1: They're just left swiping with dating apps.
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  Speaker 5: But the problem with dating apps is they then treat
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  Speaker 5: every human as basically a transactional object that has to
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  Speaker 5: meet your criteria for what you're looking for, and if
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  Speaker 5: they're not good enough, well swipe right or left, whichever
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  Speaker 5: one it is, and keep looking. And that's what one
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  Speaker 5: of these psychologists who is quoted in the article said
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  Speaker 5: about dating apps. She said, people constantly think that love
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  Speaker 5: is disposable, that the grass is going to be greener.
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  Speaker 5: They're always looking to be someone at the next swipe
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  Speaker 5: or online. It creates this sense of almost like an
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  Speaker 5: uber eats of romantic relationships when many people tend to
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  Speaker 5: tie their bonds loosely because they're prepared to unravel them
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  Speaker 5: quickly so they can move on to the next person
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  Speaker 5: and that's the fundamental thing. If you see relationships as
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  Speaker 5: about yourself and meeting your own.
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  Speaker 1: Needs and finding the best.
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  Speaker 5: Partner to enhance your life, then you're never going to
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  Speaker 5: have a fulfilling relationship. Even if you do find someone
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  Speaker 5: that meets all your criteria, it has to be about
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  Speaker 5: self sacrifice, commitment, and loyalty, which is the opposite of
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  Speaker 5: the hedonistic, selfish narrative the GenZ has been told all
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  Speaker 5: their life.
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  Speaker 6: But it also avoids one of the major determinants of
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  Speaker 6: whether you want to date someone, which is beyond the looks,
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  Speaker 6: what their personality is.
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  Speaker 7: Like, or perhaps other attributes that they have.
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  Speaker 6: Because I know, men tend to be more visual and
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  Speaker 6: women tend to be more oral. That's a biological fact,
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  Speaker 6: and so there are certain things that you can overcome
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  Speaker 6: if you're not the best look and failure in the world,
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  Speaker 6: and I can admit that I'm not, if you have
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  Speaker 6: other attributes that someone might find attractive. So you might
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  Speaker 6: initially on a dating app go, oh, that doesn't really
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  Speaker 6: look like the sort of person I'm attracted to, But
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  Speaker 6: if you met them in a room and how to
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  Speaker 6: chat with them, might go they're the funniest person I've
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  Speaker 6: ever met in my life, and so you miss those
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  Speaker 6: opportunities to have those sorts of interactions and connections, and
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  Speaker 6: so you're dismissing possible opportunities on the basis of looks alone,
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  Speaker 6: which is quite sad.
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  Speaker 4: The other issues are ones that you mentioned.
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  Speaker 3: You've got major lifestyle choices now where people pursue an
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  Speaker 3: academic degree first and that's their focus, and we know
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  Speaker 3: that most young people try two or three different degrees
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  Speaker 3: before they finally settle on one, so you're chewing up
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  Speaker 3: valuable time there. Then people want to get their career
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  Speaker 3: established and be financially independent because they're expecting the relationship's
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  Speaker 3: not going to last, so they want to be financially independent.
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  Speaker 4: So it's your lifestyle issues. Then you've got cultural issues
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  Speaker 4: where we have.
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  Speaker 3: This prolonged adolescence now where you're in your early twenties,
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  Speaker 3: you're still living at home with no expectation that you'll
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  Speaker 3: move out.
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  Speaker 4: Cost of living factors.
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  Speaker 3: In there, so the whole window for where you're looking
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  Speaker 3: for a serious relationship is getting pushed further and further back,
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  Speaker 3: and that's got to be problematic as well.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly, and if you actually look at birth rates within marriages.
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  Speaker 5: They've stayed roughly steady over the last fifty years. People
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  Speaker 5: who are married are still having the same number of
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  Speaker 5: kids roughly that they were before. But the massive drop
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  Speaker 5: has come from the rise in singleness. Because if you're
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  Speaker 5: going to have children, will step number one is finding someone.
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  Speaker 1: To have children with.
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  Speaker 5: And if that is not happening, then people won't have
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  Speaker 5: children and that is going to compound so many of
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  Speaker 5: the economic and social problems that we already have in Australia.
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  Speaker 5: But another massive social problem that is facing our country,
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  Speaker 5: and on a similar note, is the rise of pornography.
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  Speaker 1: The average age of.
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  Speaker 5: First exposure to pornography is just eleven years old. That
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  Speaker 5: is just shocking to think about eleven year old children
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  Speaker 5: viewing pornography. That's led to one sex education crusader, Chanelle Kontos,
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  Speaker 5: to call for porn literacy to be implemented in school career.
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  Speaker 1: She ran a campaign called Teach Us.
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  Speaker 5: Consent, all about getting consent taught in schools and now
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  Speaker 5: she's saying that pornography is the next challenge for sex
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  Speaker 5: education in schools. Now, I totally understand kids should not
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  Speaker 5: be looking at pornography. This is absolutely terrible, But shouldn't
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  Speaker 5: we be educating parents first and foremost in how to
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  Speaker 5: set up blockers on their internet so kids can't access
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  Speaker 5: these sites. Shouldn't we be teaching parents how to set
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  Speaker 5: boundaries and confiscate devices. I'm always skeptical of introducing this
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  Speaker 5: stuff in schools, where we know people with progressive and
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  Speaker 5: left wing agendas tend to hijack things like this to
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  Speaker 5: push certain narratives that parents may not want their children
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  Speaker 5: being taught.
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  Speaker 1: So isn't the best idea here just to educate parents.
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  Speaker 3: We should point out that when you say the age
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  Speaker 3: at which most young people are in counting pornography is eleven,
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  Speaker 3: it's not that they're searching for it. Typically they're accidentally
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  Speaker 3: coming across it. So the issue is access to smartphones.
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  Speaker 3: Typically that's the issue. So you can cut it off
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  Speaker 3: at the source. If you simply don't give your child
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  Speaker 3: a smartphone, give them they call.
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  Speaker 4: Them a dumb phone.
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  Speaker 3: These days, with that internet access, you still contact your child,
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  Speaker 3: but they can't surf the web and look at this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with this sex educator that you want to
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  Speaker 3: have conversations and education with children about pornography.
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  Speaker 4: The question is who's doing the.
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  Speaker 3: Education and according to what values and what are the
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  Speaker 3: conversations like, And I would maintain that is something that
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  Speaker 3: should be the domain of parents, not educators, because you've.
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  Speaker 4: Got two things.
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  Speaker 3: You've got family values, which differ from family to family,
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  Speaker 3: so a school post can't possibly meet all the different
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  Speaker 3: nuances for that. And within a classroom of kids, not
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  Speaker 3: all eleven year olds are at the same.
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  Speaker 4: Point of development.
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  Speaker 3: Some are quite world at least, some are very innocent,
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  Speaker 3: and so you don't want a one size fits all
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  Speaker 3: educational approach.
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  Speaker 4: I agree with you.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Educate parents about the importance of talking to their children,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: help parents understand how to talk to their children, but
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: don't outsource.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Parenting to some. And it ends up being an activist.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying this lady is an activist, but it
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: ends up being an act or they hang on a second.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: When she's interviewed, it sounds good, but then she starts
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: talking about how in the United States we've got toxic
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: masculinity and male entitlement, and she talks about abortion rights
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: being cut away.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: And so clearly she has her own values, and fair enough,
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: we all do. But that's the problem.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Right, parents have values, it's their responsibility to teach their kids, Paul,
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: literacy is a good idea if it's coming from mom
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: and dad. It's a terrible idea if it's coming from
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: someone standing at the front of your kids classroom.
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I have no problem with it being
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: in school basics education if there is a complete transparency
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: of how what is going to be taught and be
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: it involves parental consent because then you know, the parent
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: can't say, well, you're teaching my kids things that I
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: don't know about. You have to make that decision. If
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: you don't want them to do it, you can do
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: it at home yourself. That's perfectly legitimate.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: So on that though, I disagree with that because what
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: it does is you get four or five kids who
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: are kept out of that class, and then they get teased,
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: they get mocked at school because oh you're et cetera,
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: et cetera. There's a peer pressure I think that operates there,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: and I reckon it's naive to say.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Well, parents can just have their kids opt out.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: That puts a lot of pressure on an eleven or
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: a twelve year old kid who's seen as weird or
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: backward or apprude or whatever, because they're not allowed to
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: attend that class.
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: They do scripture in public schools in New South Wales
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: and parents can elect to have their kids participate in
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: that or not, and that doesn't seem to be an
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: issue as far as I'm aware in primary schools. So
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: if you can make decisions about what your kids do
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: and don't want to be, and that's already happening, I
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: think you can extend that forward. But you're right, these
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: discussions absolutely need to be had with children, with parents
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: to children, and there is no fool proof way to
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: get around this. Because even if you have very strict
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: rules at home about access to internet, your kid's going
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: to go to Little Johnny's mats place at some point
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: and perhaps they don't have such strict rules about devices,
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: and so little Johnny is going to have an interaction
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: with a computer that he otherwise wouldn't have at home,
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: and maybe he will happen upon something.
• 19:23
  Speaker 7: And I know people who have had.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: These discussions in very general terms with much younger children
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: than eleven years old, to say, if you ever come
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: across something on the Internet that you don't understand or
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: scares you, or you're worried about it. Make sure you
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: come and tell me. You're never going to be in
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: trouble for coming and telling me, but make sure you
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: come and tell me, because a child has to feel
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: comfortable to have those discussions.
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: With their parent.
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: Because if you're confronted by sex for the first time
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: in your life and instead of you know, you know
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: it's a bit taboo or I don't want to tell
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: Mum and Da that I saw that because mom and
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: dad might give me a wrap around the years and
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: take don't look at that sort of gear. No, you
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: have to be able to say I saw this. I
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: want you to what's going on here, so you can
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: have a full and frank discussion with a kid, because
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: the reality is you just can't avoid it anymore.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: The Curer Mail took a poll to gauge the feelings
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: of people as to whether or not they support poor
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: literacy classes for eleven year olds, and forty five percent
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: of people polled said no, no, no, this is best
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: left to parents. I would suggest the other fifty five percent,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: people who are not parents, Let's go to Denmark now,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: where a zoo is accepting live pet donations, not for rehoming,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: but for feeding time.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: They're asking people to donate.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Their pet rabbits, guinea pigs, even their pet horse if
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: they've got one lying around to feed zoo predators. They
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: put out an advertisement reading, if you have a healthy
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: animal that needs to be put down for various reasons,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: you're welcome to donate it to us. The animals are
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: gently euthanized by train stuff and then used as food
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: by train staff for food.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: That way nothing goes to waste.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: And we ensure natural behavior, nutrition and well being of predators.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: I've got a problem with this, Frayer and Calor, because
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: if the point is to ensure natural behavior, then you
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: wouldn't euthanize the pet. You'd just throw it in live
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: ah Lah Jurassic Park, Freyerican ticket sales and zoos will
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: increase if that's the way they.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Fed the animals.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: So sure about that one.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: And why did they stop at guinea pigs and chickens,
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: why not dogs and cats and any sort of domestic animal.
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: Well, maybe they just don't think that they'll take to
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: eating them. I assume they have some idea of what
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: the animals prefer to eat.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: And honestly, I don't have.
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: An issue with it.
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: If you have to put your pet down for some
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: reason or another ill health or whatever it is, and
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: you know you can put them down and bury them
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: in the back garden. If you want to do that,
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: that's fine. But if you want it to be useful
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: for another purpose, then I don't see why we should
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: stand in the way of people being able to give
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: an animal to the zoo to be used in that way.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's I feel like so many people just
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: don't understand how the world actually works. You know, they
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: think milk comes from the supermarket. They've never been out
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: and seen how the agricultural world works, let alone nature,
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: and it does involve animals doing pretty awful things to
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: each other all the time. So this is a reasonably
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: humane way to feed zoo animal.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: It turns out lines aren't vegans, and you're not going
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: to get a Christian burial for your guinea pig, so
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: you might as well provide him with food to the zoo.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Then in Germany, Fray, you've got a situation where they
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: have shot dead after they did something to What did
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: they do to them before they shot them?
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to think what they did.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: They somehow sedated them, and then they shot these twelve
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: baboons dead because they literally ran out of enclosures. Fabilizes
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: the enclosure was built for forty twenty five baboons. They
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: ended up with forty three, and the baboons started attacking
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: each other and injuring each other, so they decided, you know,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: what best thing is to cull them, So they shot
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: twelve of these baboons dead. Well, the zoo ended up
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: with three hundred complaints, a couple of hundred people marching
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: through the city protesting Peter the animal rights organization, complaining
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: it was a baboon massacre.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: It was twelve monkeys that were shot for goodness.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Sake, setting a precept to make it socially acceptable to
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: cull animals for no good reason. It goes to what
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: you're saying, Caleb, is that we have sanitized exposure to nature.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: So you go to a zoo and everything's pristine and
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: everything's beautiful, and you forget that these animals are very
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: different in the wild. Most people don't have any firsthand
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: experience of the wild, and there's a lot of attributing
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: human characteristics to animals, as if they should somehow have
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: some sort of morality that we have, that they have
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: feelings and consciousness that we have, and so it all
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: gets very confused and jumbled up.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: I was talking to a South African who said they
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: actually have a problem with American tourists getting out of
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: the car on these game park rides and going up
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: and trying to pat lions because they've watched the Lion
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: King and they think you can snuggle up with lions
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: and their cubs, genuinely putting themselves.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: In extreme danger. And that's right.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: People do not understand how the animal world works. But
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: in defense of these protesters, the way feeding happened. So
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: they killed these baboons and then they fed them to
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: the lions. And someone who was there said that they
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: cut the heads and the limbs off of the baboons
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: and fed them in public of view to the lions.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty brutal.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: Well, have they watched Richard Attenborough David Attenborough, sorry Richard
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: was his brother.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: The real experience?
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: You haven't, honestly, honestly.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Like, how do they think the world works?
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: And I'll tell you if you were okay, it would
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: have been better if they had their heads on and
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: they were alive.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: What they didn't really like because they used the brain.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: They were studying the brains. That's why the baboon's heads
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: were removed. That was for scientific purposes. And then leftovers,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: because we believe in you know, sustainability and recycling and
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: using everything, the leftovers were fed to the lions.
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: I just wish animal activists realized how the real world
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: works and that in many cases, this is the most
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: humane thing to do. They had to cull the population
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: of those baboons because there.
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: Was too many of them.
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: I mean, in this country we have had sort of
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: waxes and wains depending on bush fires and things, but
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: we have too many koalas, for instance, and they're all
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: ridden with chlamydia. And then someone says, oh, we probably
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: should cull them.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Could you imagine, Oh, no, imagine they were feeding the
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: koalas to lions, though that.
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: Would not go well, Well, I don't know what you
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: do you catch chlamydia that way from a koala.
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: I'm not entirely sure.
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: It's the same with kangaroos. I mean, we have an
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: epidemic proportion of kangaroos in this country and they need
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: to be could but you say.
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: We're going to color the car. Oh the animal actors
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: come out, for goodness sake.
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: They just don't understand how the world works, especially when
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: an animal is in danger or its potentially suffering. The
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: most humane thing you can do is put a bullet
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: in its head. And I know that's harsh to say,
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: but that's just the reality of how life works on
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: farms and out in the bush. Talking about reality perhaps
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: be divorced from it. Tony Burke, the Immigration Minister, Homer
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: Fairs minister as well, is responsible for such things as visas,
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: and so he can take a look at any time
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: at the visa of anyone who is in this country
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: or anyone who's put in an application for a visa.
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: And say we don't want you here.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: And he's now boasting in the nine papers, particularly in
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: the AFR and the Sydney Morning Herald, that he's been
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: doing such a great job of canceling people's visas because,
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: wait for it, he wants to ensure social cohesion. Yes,
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: this federal government, known for its efforts on social cohesion,
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: now says they are denying visas for that purpose. He's
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: quoted in the Financial Review today as saying that he
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: has no interest in free speech whatsoever.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: He in one.
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: Quote says I really don't care about receiving criticisms on
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: free speech, like do not care, and also said I
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: could not care less about the freedom of speech argument
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: if I'm in the business of stopping hatred from being
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: imported into Australia. Some of the people he is not
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: led into the country Kanye West, who put out a
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: song recently called Hale Hitler, Candas Owens, who's been accused
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: of being anti Semitic. You'll also know he denied entry
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: to a prominent Israeli businessman because that was supposedly going
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: to cause discord in this country. As a rule, I
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: think more speech is better. When you start saying certain
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: people can talk and other people can't, you run the
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: risk of allowing certain forms of speech and not others,
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: which I think is bad.
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: For the world in general.
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: You know, he'll argue that he's denied entry to some
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: Israelis and also denied entry to some anti Semites, and
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: so on that basis it's all fair.
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: And we're just maintaining social cohesion.
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: But to say the words, as Paul Murray said earlier,
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: to openly utter the words I don't care about free
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: speech and I'm just going to wield my powers as
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: the Home Affairs minister. However I like to prevent it
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: in this country. I think is chilling.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're wielding the power, you don't have to
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: care about free speech because you can do what you want.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: This is a classic case of trying to lock the
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: gate after the horse has bolted and joined isis if
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: they were worried about social cohesion, they would have dealt
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: with this a couple of years ago, not now. And
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: if he is worried about social cohesion, great that he's
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: blocking people's visas from coming here. Have about a few
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: deportations that would be good for social cohesion if they're
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: serious about it. And as for his statement, I don't
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: care about freedom of speech. I'm all for being very
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: careful with who we allow into the country. But for
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: someone with that much power to be so cavalier in
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: his attitude towards freedom of speech is not impressive.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: It wasn't smart. It was a little bit alarming.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Well, he talks about he doesn't want to import hate.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: The hate is here.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: That's the problem, and that's why you're having to see
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: these hate speech laws and anti vilification laws come through.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: It's because we have a breakdown in our social cohesion.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: Now the government is scrambling to kind of to try
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: and patch it together, but that doesn't work. Free speech
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: is actually the cure. It is the cure to a
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: fragmented society. If you can debate ideas, if you can
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: discuss things, you can start to actually have a robust
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: public discourse and build trust between people. Investigate ideas, challenge
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: people's opinions. When you say that some things are off
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: limits and you can't talk about some things, it will
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: lead naturally to suspicion. One of the there's been a
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: really concerning rise in anti Semitism on the far right
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: as well, and part of that has been driven by
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: these anti hate speech laws. And people say, well, if
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: I can't question Israel or the Holocaust or Jews, then
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: there must be something going on, because why aren't I
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: allowed to talk about that?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: And so it actually breeds suspense.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: And then you know, we can celebrate at the visa
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: of Candice Owen's or Kanye West being canceled, but then
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: a couple weeks later it's Israeli visas being canceled. So
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: it only works when you control the levers of power.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: This is a very, very very dangerous road for Australia
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: to go down and to have a government minister bragging
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: about not caring about the free speech of Australians.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: This must be unprecedented.
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: And is it not better to let people speak and
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: make their views known so we know what they actually think?
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: I mean, how can you identify someone who is racist
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: if you tell them it's illegal to be racist. They
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: don't change their mind, They don't change what they actually think.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: They just won't say it in public because they're worried
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: about prosecution.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: They'll sure as hell say.
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: It in private, and they'll take their meetings with their
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: friends underground so we can't detect where they are. It's
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: actually better for the world for it to be known
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: what I think.
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: Rather it's illegal.
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: Now you can't do it. It's going to fix the problem.
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: It never fixes the problem.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Indeed, let's talk about another politician who may have problems,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: although I reckon he's all right. David christ Fully, the
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Queensland Premier, it's been revealed, spent five hundred and forty
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: four thousand dollars since being elected last October on private
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: jets traveling around the state. Now, just over half a
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: million dollars in eight months sounds like a lot of
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: money until you realize his predecessor, Steven Miles, spent half
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: of that in the four months that.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: He was premier. So Chris A.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Fooley really is doing just as his predecessor did. And
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: he's come up for a lot of criticism on this today,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: But I wouldn't be one of the critics.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Queensland is a massive state. David Chris A.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Foley was from Townsville for quite some time, so he
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: understands North Queenslanders often feel left out and ignored by
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: the political class in the southeast. So he's trying to
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: get out and about to a vast state. And unlike
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Stephen Miles, he's not taking private jets to deliver birthday
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: case to his friends. He's actually out with constituents. So
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I think storm in a teacup. It's a lot of money,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: but it's a big state. He's the premier. If he
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: wasn't getting out and about, we'd criticize him for being
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: stuck in the southeast corner. So half a million dollars
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: on flights in eight months, that's the price you pay
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: for living in a vast state with lots of regional cities.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: I really don't understand when people endlessly criticize politicians for
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: taking flights.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Sure, you want to avoid unnecessary expenses.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: Do you need to travel first class with you and
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: your twenty five staffers?
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: No, you can fly economy.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: Do you need to sit in the lounge and drink
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: champagne before going on your.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Trip to meet constituents?
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: No, you can just act like anyone else who's a
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: member of the public. This is part of the job though.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: They need to get around and we'd be criticizing them
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: if he wasn't.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Doing that, unless you're a climate catastrophised, in which case
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: you know you should be doing zoom calls.
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: I mean, did these An element of this I think is,
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: you know, somewhat just deserts. Because you'll remember that the
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: Queensland government went after Stephen Miles after he became opposition
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: leader for daring to have a glass of red when
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: he got on a Quantus flight and they made it like.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, how dare you You're drinking on the job.
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: I mean, please give it up. That was pathetic.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: But Queensland, as you say, is a big state.
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: Because anyone who knows anything about Queensland knows the relationship
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: between pilots and.
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: The Premiership of Queensland.
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: They've had official state owned planes for this purpose since
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: the nineteen seventies. I mean they used to have a
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: pilot specifically for the premiere to fly him around because
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: it's a bloody big place and you'd never be able
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: to get around and see constituents and far flung parts
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: of the state if he didn't have a plane.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: The bit I don't get is how it can cost
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: that much.
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: I mean, if you're already owned the plane, how does
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: it cost more than five hundred grand to fire up
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: the plane and fly around the state.
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: That seems a bit odd, But an issue with it.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Have you ever parked at an airport? How the money's that?
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: I do miss Melbourne Airport because I used to be
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: able to pack them for seven dollars a day.
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: But it's not quite so easy here in Sydney.
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: While we're talking about Melbourne, very quickly down there they've
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: decided the Lord Mayor, Nick Reese, has decided that it
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: should be the most optimistic city in the country. Nick Reecee,
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: of course a friend of Scar News. You'll often see
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: him on.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Paul Murray Live.
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: But he's come up with some mad cap idea that
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: they need happiness KPIs in Melbourne to make them all
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: so terribly happy to be there. I suspect they could
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: meet their happiness KPIs if they just ripped out all
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: the bike lanes that they've installed in the CBD.
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: That would seem a pretty easy thing to do to me.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: This idea came out of a summit as to what
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: should Melbourne be like in twenty fifty. They filled the
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: town hall with a whole bunch of people who registered
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: to be part of this day and they came up
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: with some incredible ideas. As these talk fests do, Let's
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: show you a couple of them said, we need to
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: create a future more inspired by hope than fear. I'm
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: not sure how they're going to do that, but a
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: great thought intersectionality, acknowledge the climate emergency, create a positive
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: impact on our planet and opportunities for everyone country first
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: decision making, having a strategy to make well with the
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: most optimistic city, and redefining values from tolerance to knowledge,
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: appreciation and understanding all fine ideals, But freyer people just
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: want crime to be dealt with, potholes to be filled
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: and bike lanes removed, they'd be thrilled.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: And in reality, progressives are more likely to be depressed
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: and miserable. So maybe if you just dewoke the city
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: people will be a lot more happy.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: We're going to go to a break.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: including an interesting development in the Tickle versus Giggle case
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: with the transactivists demanding damages for being misgendered in media interviews.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Plus Queen's anteachers go on strike tomorrow and warn it's
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: the first of a number of strikes if they don't
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: get what they want. All of that and more interesting
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: moment Welcome back to the program. We're going to take
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: a look at what's making headlines tomorrow, starting Freyer with
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: the Australian.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: Yes and the headline tomorrow reads giving AI a license
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: to eat up Aussie artists. Big tech companies could gain
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: access to a vast library of copyrighted Australian content to
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: further fuel their AI capabilities under recommendations put forward by
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: the Productivity Commission, with the controversial scenario likely to leave
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: the nation's news media outlets and creative professionals without compensation
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: for their work. In an interim report on Unlocking the
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: benefits of AI and Data to Spark Growth released on
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: Tuesday night, the Commission called for feedback on what reforms
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: were needed to bring the copyright regime up to date
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: amid its concerns that the laws were outdated and ill
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: equipped to deal with the rise of artificial intelligence technology.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: Possible overhaul of the laws is expected to prompt fierce
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: backlash from industry figures, many of whom have previously aired
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: concerns the Big Tech routinely sourced their content it did
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: not own, as a means to further its products without
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: compensating the.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Owners of the copyright.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: Now, this is a concern we've heard all along from
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: news media, from creatives that their work is being used
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: by these generative AI models, being fed into their systems,
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: being cited by programs like chat GPT, but they're not
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: paid any compensation for producing it. Normally, I support a
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: light touch regulatory approach, but there does seem to be
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: attention here because we want our artists and the media
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: to survive.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: On the other hand, the Productivity Commissioner saying that AI
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: could be worth one hundred and twenty billion dollars over
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: a decade if it's allowed to develop freely in this country.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: So you've got that tension right between trying to protect
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: the rights of the creators of Bluey and Kylie Minogu
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: with her songs and allowing AI to prosper freely in
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: this country so we can reap the undoubted benefits of it.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: Well, it depends what you think benefits are. I think
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: it's the tension between the humans who live in this
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: world and the money that a small number of people
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: can potentially make out of taking what humans have created
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: and then feathering their own nest with it.
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: I mean the Productivity Commission.
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: We talked last night about their report into you know,
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: what we need to do with energy? The Productivity Commission
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: is quickly turning into how to bugger up the World Commission,
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: it would seem. And you know, I'm not a unionist,
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: never been one, but I tell you what, if this
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: is what becomes the status quo and law in this country,
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: I would be almost happy enough to come on and
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: lead a strike and encourage everyone in media and any
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: creative entity to walk out on strike and say we're
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: not doing anything anymore until you change that law, because
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: what will eventually happen is AI will take away all
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: those jobs. And once it's done that, it can take
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: anyone's job away, and that's bad for the world.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Well, the Productivity Commissioner recommending that the government workout where
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: copyright law is a barrier to building and training AI models,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: And I imagine the answer is it's a barrier everywhere.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: Copyright law is a problem.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: So you're going to have to really ride rough shot
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: over it if you're going to go full steam ahead
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: with AI.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then copyright law is also the reason artists
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: and creators get paid in the first place. So again,
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: who is going to suffer and who is going to benefit?
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: And I think, like Caleb said, it's probably going to
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: be a few people who benefit greatly and a lot
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: of people who are really significantly displaced by this. But
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: also in the Australian Tomorrow pay up for wrong pronoun.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: Giggle app founder Sal Grover she'd have to pay hefty
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: damages to trans woman rock sand Tickle because she missed
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: gendered her in media interviews. Miss Tiggle's legal team has
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: pleaded in a bombshell submission to the Federal Court in
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: a submission which, if accepted, would have far reaching implications
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: for free speech. Miss Tiggle's lawyers argued that miss Grover's
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: description of Miss Tiggle as a man in at least
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: fifty interviews should make her liable for significant aggravated damages.
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: Miss Grover's appealing a decision that she indirectly discriminated against
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: Miss Tiggle for rejecting her from Giggle for Girl's female
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: only networking.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: App because she appeared to be a man. Wow.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: I hope the court rejects that, because that is an
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: absurd argument. The idea that you can now claim aggravated
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: damages before a court for calling somebody the pronouns of
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: their biological sex, that's absurd.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Well, the judge may well award in favor of the
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: transgender person here, because the judge awarded ten thousand dollars
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: to the transgendered person after Sell Grover laughed at a
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: piece of satire presented to her as evidence in court,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: and she spontaneously laughed and got hit with a ten
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars payout to Tickle because of the hurt feelings
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: from the laughter. So I don't have any confidence that
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: this judge is going to rule according to what we
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: would regard as common sense here.
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: Look, it already has implications for free speech because I
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: now have to police what I'm saying at the moment
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: about Tickle, because I don't want to get sued. I mean,
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: that's the real Even though a decision has not yet
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: been made by the court, if that precedent is set,
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: I'm thinking about things I've set on air previously. I'm
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: being careful about what I'm saying now. Tickle is a
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: biological male. But I'm not going to say as a
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: man because if I do so, I don't know I
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: could end.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Up being sued. That's a thing about it, right.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: You have to say biological mail as if there's any
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: other sort other than a biological mail.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: What else is there? But you've got to say that in.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Order to save yourself from being taken to court. Let's
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: go to the front page of the Career Mail. Teachers
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: may take more action. It's just strike one, reads the headline.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Parents have been dealt another blow on the day of
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: the first teacher walk off in sixteen years, with the
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: union refusing to rule out a second strike. It means
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: the families of five hundred and sixty thousand state school
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: students who have had to take time off, figure out
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: alternate care arrangements, all leave kids at school without their
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: regular teachers may have to do it all over again.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: This is after teachers rejected a government offer of eight
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: percent pay rise over three years. On the other hand,
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: as the article says, it's the first time in sixteen
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: years that teachers have taken a strike. And if you're
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: looking at opinion polls in Queensland, the public scene can
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: be divided about fifty to fifty over whether or not
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: they support this strike, over whether or not they think
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: teachers should be paid more. So Strike one, I reckon
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: public support will stay strong. But if this ends up
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: with a second strike and then a third strike, public
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: support may well start.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: They've been offered a deal.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: And the reality is Queensland, like a lot of states
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: in Australia, are in so much debt.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: They have to balance the books.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: They can't be handing out massive pay rises to every
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: union that wants them.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: This is just the reality of life.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: And there's another question. Can you continually fail at naplan
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: results and yet paid more for it?
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: Look, it's you know, I think it's more about having
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: a go at the LNP government than it.
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: Is anything else.
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: On the front of the Daily Telegraph tomorrow, how good
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: is Lindsay Lohan looking. I'm glad she's back on the
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: straight and narrow and she's in Sydney. That photograph taken
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: in Bonda Junction also says iqck fugitive boasts about taking
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: money from Ossie's she'll be white mate, What a great headline.
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: And I Cac Runaway, accused of taking huge bribes in
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: return for issuing government contracts, allegedly boasted, quote where here
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: in their country taking their money? How good is that
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: former Transport for New South Wales employee Ibrahim Helmy who
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: vanished in May and is wanted by a police as
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: a central figure in a major public corruption inquiry examining
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: how three hundred and forty three million dollars in taxpayer
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: funds was doled out to companies working on regional roads.
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: The inquiry heard yesterday and associate text and helped me
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: saying he likes white people giving us money. Help me,
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: who holds Australian, Egyptian and US passports, responded saying it's
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: like they're giving us money to live in their country.
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: I what a ripper front page quickly through there so bad.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: Let's do that real quick, brutal goodbye. Just four years
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: after premiership glory, Demon's coach Simon Goodwin has been gutted
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: by sudden sacking.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: How sad is.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: That four years after winning a premiership he's out the
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: door and the Demons are so desperate to get rid
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: of him they're going to pay him a million dollars
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: next year.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: Not to coach the club.
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: Yep, well it's been a serious slump, so you can
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: understand we're going to.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Go to a break when we come back. Migan Markle's birthday.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: So who do you think is cheering most loudly for her?
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Well herself of course. And what does your phone lock
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: screen say about you? Well, a psychologist says, it reveals
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: the inner depths of your soul.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: We'll talk about that after the break.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Well, one of the big decisions you've got to make
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: in life these days is what image you put on
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: your lock screen on your phone, and clinical psychologist doctor
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Rebecca Ray says, the decision you make reveals a great
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: deal about what's important to you, which I guess is
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: why when popstar Taylor Swift put a photo of herself
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: and Travis Kelce on her phone. It indicated that they
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: were in a serious relationship. But I guess most people
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: are like Taylor Swift. They put a photograph of their
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: significant other or maybe their children, and if they don't
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: like their significant other or don't have children, they put
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: a photo of their dog. Or if you're Donald Trump,
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: you put a photo of yourself, because of course that's
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: what most to him. It seems I would have thought, Caleb,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: it's pretty obvious your lock screen reveals what you're most
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: passionate about because you look at it so often. It's
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: kind of a no brain all right.
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: It's kind of one of those, you know, newspaper needs
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: something to report on, so well, let's ask someone a
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: dumb question.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: To be honest, It is funny, though, that Trump has
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: typically he has a photo of himself on.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: His phone screen.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: No, I love that a lot.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: And someone else who I reckon has a photo of
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: themselves on their lock screen is Megan Markle. Because she
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: turned forty four and she received a gushing birthday message
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: from no one else but herself. Her own lifestyle brand
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: as Ever, posted on its official Instagram celebrating the woman
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: behind it all. She pours her heart, vision and magic
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: touch into every detail, and today we raise a.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Glass to her. Happy birthday to our founder.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: Now this is so awkward because in previous interviews she
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: has said she runs the Azeva social media herself. So
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: happy birthday, Megan, and I'm glad you're very excited for
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: your own best.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: But they should change the name of her company from
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: as Ever to as if that could be.
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: Well, well as if anyone else would have sent out
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: such a gushing birthday message to her, I mean not
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: even Harry would have a mind.
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: To do such a think.
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: Well, I just wish we could see the birthday messages
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: that the rest of the royal family would send, because
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: I suspect there'd be a lot more entertaining. Speaking of entertaining,
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: woman on the Gold Coast has just won a lot
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: o one point four million dollars worth of it, and
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: she is over the moon for no other reason that
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: it means she'll be able to buy a house in
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: which you can keep her cat. Because she said she's
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: a renter at the moment, and she's had to go
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: through the rigmarole every time the real estate agent comes around.
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: The property manager comes to look at the house.
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: She's had to hide the cat and pretend she doesn't
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: have it, and so she has said, I'll be able
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: to buy a house and no longer worry about inspections,
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: all the rent continuing to go up. This is a
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: win for my cat, and I'm sure that cat is
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: thrilled as hell.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: What do you reckon she had on her phone lock screen, Yeah.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: I reckon, probably the cat.
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: I'm visualizing Lotto winds.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: That's it from us.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Stick Around coming up because the reader Paneh show, we'll
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: see it tomorrow night.