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I Am All In…Again: Why This Episode is Perfect (Season 4 E2 “The Lorelai’s First Day at Yale”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in again.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, that's just you. Hi am all in again with
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  Speaker 2: Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I'm all in Podcasts one of
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  Speaker 1: eleven productions iHeartRadio Media. iHeart Podcasts. We are going to
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  Speaker 1: recap season four episode to the Laurelize First Day Yale
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  Speaker 1: air date September thirty, two thousand and three. Were very
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  Speaker 1: special guest Margaret Easy. Hello, Margaret, welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited and.
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  Speaker 1: We're excited to have you. You're an actress, writer, producer.
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  Speaker 1: You did one episode as Helen, You hire Lareleons, scud
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  Speaker 1: Be cater a Party. You also made it appearances in
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  Speaker 1: other shows like Modern Family, n CIS Alias Scrubbs, executive
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  Speaker 1: produced miniseries Manifa, Manifest, Manifest, Manifest. Welcome Mark. All right,
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  Speaker 1: so we have a synopsis here. Today is can Rory
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  Speaker 1: is moving into her dorm room at Yale and meets
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  Speaker 1: her new roommates. Meanwhile, Nicholson's a team of lawyers to
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  Speaker 1: Luke's to draw up paperwork for their divorce. Directed by
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  Speaker 1: the one and Only Chris Long and written by the
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  Speaker 1: the extraordinarily talented Dan Pallatino. Before we get into it, Margaret,
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  Speaker 1: this episode didn't feature anyone else really besides Rory and Luke.
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  Speaker 1: What'd you think of it?
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was fantastic. I thought, I remember, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when I watched it back in the day, and then
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  Speaker 2: now watching it again as a writer, like that's that's
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  Speaker 2: been my career shift. It is such a beautiful example
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  Speaker 2: of of a repilot, you know, of resetting a show
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  Speaker 2: that everyone had fallen in love with, and it was
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  Speaker 2: so beautifully and quietly and emotionally done, where you have
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  Speaker 2: this duo that has grounded the show for years and
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  Speaker 2: you're now you're putting one half of that duo in
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  Speaker 2: a completely different environment. So I thought it was just
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  Speaker 2: it's beautifully done. And you know, I know several people
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  Speaker 2: have said this. I think Asha Davis just said this
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  Speaker 2: on your podcast. But watching it back in the day
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  Speaker 2: and then watching it now, I have an eighteen year
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  Speaker 2: old daughter, so watching it now, it's just the resonance
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  Speaker 2: of watching your child go off and become an adult
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  Speaker 2: and how hard that is, and how these like stutter
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  Speaker 2: steps help us finally let go the fact that they
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  Speaker 2: took and I think you said it perfectly. They didn't
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  Speaker 2: have a ton of other characters in here. They just
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  Speaker 2: really had the core characters, and they used them to
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  Speaker 2: emotionally establish where all of these people were in this transition.
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  Speaker 2: And there wasn't a lot of like a lot of
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  Speaker 2: real drama. It was very.
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  Speaker 1: Just.
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  Speaker 2: It was very rich emotionally between them. I love the
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  Speaker 2: fact that, like there was still conflict with the mattress
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  Speaker 2: and you know, with the lawyers, but it was stuff
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  Speaker 2: that was not taking away from the importance of the moment.
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  Speaker 2: It was all stuff that was fun and bantery, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was really lovely good.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it. The Laurel eyes at Yale. Rory
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  Speaker 1: packs for Yale. They used Luke's truck, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: good truck's humor in here, had to haul off all
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  Speaker 1: of things. Even the Laurela has trouble starting at driving it,
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  Speaker 1: shifting the gears. Luke being very possessive of that iconic truck.
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  Speaker 1: They arrive at Yale, they meet tests Rory's freshman counselor.
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  Speaker 1: She gives a lot of instructions and Rory sees a
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  Speaker 1: room for the first time. She's preoccupied. Oil makes her
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  Speaker 1: walk in again. She meets Tanna, her sixteen year old roommate,
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  Speaker 1: and then Paris shows up. Of all people, she made
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  Speaker 1: a call to be Her father called the university and
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  Speaker 1: made it happen. And we can't really tell by Rory's
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  Speaker 1: reaction whether she's well, we know she's perplexed, but if
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  Speaker 1: she's pleased or not. And so Paris even shows up
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  Speaker 1: with a life coach, Terrence. Larela I leaves for good,
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  Speaker 1: but Rory gets homesick right away and has to continue
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  Speaker 1: using Luke's truck and heads back to Yale. Rory starts
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  Speaker 1: freaking out about college, so Laurli stays the night and
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  Speaker 1: has a takeout party with all the spots near her
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  Speaker 1: Rory's dorm. They invite others to the dorm and it
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  Speaker 1: turns into a real party. She spends the night. She
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  Speaker 1: sleeps in the ile mattress. They howl back and forth,
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  Speaker 1: the guys howling outside. The next day, laurel I leaves
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  Speaker 1: for good. A group of girls found the bus places
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  Speaker 1: for coffee. They laurelied coined the term. They laurelied a
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  Speaker 1: few places and go to freshmen assembly together. So Rory's
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  Speaker 1: making friends. It's all good. Everybody's feeling good, and as
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  Speaker 1: an audience, right, Margaret, we feel better for Rory, and
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  Speaker 1: we feel better about this inevitable right of passage for
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  Speaker 1: a parent and child's sending their child off to college.
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  Speaker 1: So now we feel a little we do as an audience,
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  Speaker 1: I felt more comfortable. I'm glad that the through the party.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad she did all that extra stuff because that's
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  Speaker 1: what she would have done in her own home to
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  Speaker 1: celebrate a birthday party. So she turned it into her
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  Speaker 1: own home and celebrating her daughter. So I thought a
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  Speaker 1: brilliant move. Even though Margaret, we're not spending a lot
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  Speaker 1: of time in stars Hollow, do you think I mean
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  Speaker 1: this was a good starting point for Rory's college years
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  Speaker 1: at Yale anything. I mean, it was a good, good
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  Speaker 1: jumping off point.
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  Speaker 2: It was perfect. I mean again, to me, it was
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  Speaker 2: like a repilot. You you really established the world, you
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  Speaker 2: established these characters, you established The way that you know
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  Speaker 2: they introduced Tanna was so funny, just the fact that
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  Speaker 2: you know, you walk in and she's sitting there, and
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  Speaker 2: she doesn't introduced herself in a standard way that you
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  Speaker 2: would see on any other show. She's just sitting there
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  Speaker 2: and then you know, so she's quirky, but then you
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  Speaker 2: have that really human moment where she says, Rory, are
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  Speaker 2: you nervous, Susy, Yeah, she's just good, like you understand
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  Speaker 2: that it's quirky and it's fun, but there's all this
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  Speaker 2: gurgling emotion and fear that that is going to connect
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  Speaker 2: these girls moving forward?
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  Speaker 1: Right right right? Have you ever had an experience like this?
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  Speaker 2: I am my daughter's eighteen, she's a senior. I'm about
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  Speaker 2: to so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I feel like
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  Speaker 2: now I have absolute justification to order all the pizzas
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  Speaker 2: and food from more around the world and check out
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  Speaker 2: the delivery guys and stay with her. She might not agree,
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  Speaker 2: but right, But what I love about the way they
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  Speaker 2: did it is I think it was right for them.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: So, I know some people had strong feelings about well
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  Speaker 2: that was that's codependent that she stayed, but I think
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  Speaker 2: it was it was what this relationship needed. And one
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  Speaker 2: thing I realized in this episode is there a couple
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  Speaker 2: of like false starts. It was actually off of what
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  Speaker 2: you were just saying, Like they go into the room
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  Speaker 2: and Lourlai takes her out and makes her go back
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  Speaker 2: in the room, Lorlai drives away and she comes back in.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's there's these moments of just resetting. It's
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  Speaker 2: not ripping the band aid off.
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  Speaker 1: They're doing it slowly and the way that works for
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  Speaker 1: both them right right, well, leaving leaving home for the
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  Speaker 1: first time for college or moving away, so you will
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  Speaker 1: have soon have this experience. Yes, I'm gonna I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: have this experience in a couple of years. I'm dreading it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's what you want, but it's brutal.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Luke's divorce helping laurel I with the move.
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  Speaker 1: Uh Luke's on edge about lorala I using his truck
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  Speaker 1: because he's dealing with his divorce, his non divorce. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want anything. That was really funny.
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  Speaker 2: It was amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Those lawyers are really good. I'm a patient man.
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  Speaker 2: You're allowed your core different men. That was incredible.
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  Speaker 1: Uh So the divorce lawyers are sitting in the in
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  Speaker 1: the diner. Uh Luke blows him off and he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: want anything from Nicole. He's sarcastic, and he he tells this,
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  Speaker 1: I you know this, this one didn't land for me.
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  Speaker 1: This Don Dewey from Dewey cheat him and how you
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  Speaker 1: know that's a you know, won't won't. A team team
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  Speaker 1: of lawyers are now at Luke's diner. Lorelei returns from Yale.
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  Speaker 1: They bug him on the settlement not hiring a lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: He thinks he married Nicole for money. Then Lorelai gives
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  Speaker 1: him the characteristic witnessed a testament, saying, when I think
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  Speaker 1: of Luke's danes, I think of nothing that such a
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  Speaker 1: and Luke's are smiling like see.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, it was such a great way to keep
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  Speaker 2: this this storyline going, having the lawyers come in without
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  Speaker 2: having to like, you got all the conflict, you got,
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  Speaker 2: the humor, you got the you know, the storyline was
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  Speaker 2: still churning, but it wasn't. You didn't have to move
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  Speaker 2: that storyline forward at all. It was so fun to
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  Speaker 2: watch you be like I want to, you know, want
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  Speaker 2: to move on, and you won't let me.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm hmm. Lorelei has a second load, as she
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  Speaker 1: referred to it, of stuff that she had to deliver
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  Speaker 1: to her daughter. So she and Luke argue about the mattress,
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  Speaker 1: the Yale mattress. You know that who's on first mattress?
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  Speaker 1: Argument was just classic, classic, and that was beautilessic. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was wow.
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  Speaker 2: This is wow.
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  Speaker 1: What a great episode for these two.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you really get the chemistry without it. It
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  Speaker 2: was again great because you really get the chemistry just
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  Speaker 2: on a sort of cellular level between these two characters
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  Speaker 2: without it being about their relationship because they had all
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  Speaker 2: these other things going on.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine going to work and getting to do
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  Speaker 1: this stuff. I got to do that.
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  Speaker 2: It's bananas. It is bananas.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what, we all knew it at the
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  Speaker 1: time too. We knew how lucky we were. We knew it.
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  Speaker 2: I remember, you know, I knew Lauren from Townies, uh huh,
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  Speaker 2: and so I had been watching the show just because
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  Speaker 2: I loved her and was such a fan. And I
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  Speaker 2: remember actually even before the show came out, there was
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  Speaker 2: so much buzz around it like this was this was
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  Speaker 2: this was something special and it really was. And even now,
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  Speaker 2: like when I'm pitching shows, we say stars hollow or
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  Speaker 2: we reference these characters because they're so a part of
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  Speaker 2: our cultural identity. It's such an iconic show. Yeah, just man, Yeah, congratulations.
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  Speaker 1: Hey man, I just I got lucky. I just no,
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  Speaker 1: I seriously do just just man, But.
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  Speaker 2: It's true, like the delivery, I mean, just like you
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  Speaker 2: were saying that delivery and repartee to be able to match,
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  Speaker 2: give back and improve upon. Soone I think is just
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  Speaker 2: such a brilliant comedian, and that made the chemistry work
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  Speaker 2: is that there was nobody who was jocking over the
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  Speaker 2: other person. It was so equally matched.
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  Speaker 1: When you have a scene partner on that level, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: then you can just let it fly. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know that you're you know, if you can serve
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty miles an hour, she's gonna sing
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  Speaker 1: it back at one hundred and twenty two, right, So
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  Speaker 1: like you level up or you die.
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  Speaker 2: And I came on set in season four, so nobody
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  Speaker 2: was phoning it in. No, no, no, no, nobody the
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  Speaker 2: season for.
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  Speaker 1: It, it was crackling, and you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: And and and for us as a group as a cast,
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  Speaker 1: we were all, you know, kind of this uh, we
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  Speaker 1: were kind of these you know, ravenous you know, theater
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  Speaker 1: train snobby. You know, everybody was kind of a hard
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  Speaker 1: ass and competitive, but but like minded and that we
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  Speaker 1: wanted to create great work. That's what we came to
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  Speaker 1: work to do. And everybody was was interested in doing
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  Speaker 1: only that. So there was such a low level of
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  Speaker 1: bs and a very high level of competence and uh
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  Speaker 1: unified purpose.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's why the show endured so much.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, my writing partner's daughter has watched the entire
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  Speaker 2: series I think four times now and she actually goes to.
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  Speaker 1: Yale mm hm o great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And there's just so many people who are like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of binging that or I just
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  Speaker 2: rewatched it. It's I think that level of commitment, that
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  Speaker 2: level of energy, the energy that's in the writing and
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  Speaker 2: then just you know, you guys delivered, And like I said,
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  Speaker 2: even in season four, there was this felt like the
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  Speaker 2: first episode of a new show because there's just that
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  Speaker 2: vibrance and connection and chemistry right right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it all begins with the writing and are you
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  Speaker 1: good enough to do this writing today? In this scene,
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  Speaker 1: we were constantly challenged. We were exhausted at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, but then still eager to come back
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  Speaker 1: the next day because you're going to get great writing
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  Speaker 1: and that is a rarity, that is a treat and
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  Speaker 1: we felt really spoiled, We felt really really taken care of,
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  Speaker 1: as like, boy, we don't have to question a darn
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  Speaker 1: thing here. You know, this is you know, not that
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  Speaker 1: they were asking for any opinions. They didn't need them, right,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't need them.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I've been on shows where it was I've been on
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  Speaker 1: shows where it's nothing but like, oh god, how am
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  Speaker 1: I going to say this? And can we just not
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  Speaker 1: say this? Can we cut this line? I mean you've
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  Speaker 1: been there, We've all been there, right, where the writing
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  Speaker 1: is just bad. Yeah, and it's obvious, and it's and
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  Speaker 1: it's like you're saying exactly what you're meant to say
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  Speaker 1: every line, right, and it's just like, guys, can we
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  Speaker 1: add some irony or depth to this somehow do we
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  Speaker 1: get And it's just that never happened on the show.
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  Speaker 2: No, there's so much like like even.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, just that monologue, remember okay, Luke's monologue
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  Speaker 1: to the lawyers. Whoever gets to do that? So so
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  Speaker 1: Lauren that was her every day, right, that was Lauren's
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  Speaker 1: every day. So once in a while I'd get like
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  Speaker 1: a great speech, right, And they're easy to they're easy
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  Speaker 1: to memorize. They're not difficult to memorize because it's all logical,
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  Speaker 1: it's all makes sense and the rhythm is so ingrained
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  Speaker 1: and it just kind of flows out and I'm watching
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  Speaker 1: I was watching it last night, I'm like, how the
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  Speaker 1: hell did I remember all those words?
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  Speaker 2: Because because they're so beautifully written, I think you're right
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  Speaker 2: when they make sense. And what I loved about that too,
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  Speaker 2: is I felt like you were keeping that thread of
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  Speaker 2: you know, the marriage to Nicole alive because you were
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  Speaker 2: so in that that monologue. You know, you could, you
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  Speaker 2: could we were living being through those terrible evenings watching
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  Speaker 2: Be the Artist, right, you had so much great stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It's like doing beautifully written plays and being allowed to
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  Speaker 1: act like you're in a play. It wasn't TV acting right,
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  Speaker 1: quote unquote, it was this is the real deal. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to do a theater piece for you in this
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  Speaker 1: scene because it is a theater scene, and we're going
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  Speaker 1: to do it like we're in the theater. Yep, that's
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  Speaker 1: what it was. That's why it's unique.
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  Speaker 2: You're so right, it's so And that's one of the
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  Speaker 2: things is, like I said, you know, I used to
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  Speaker 2: watch as an actress, trying to figure out mannerisms and
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  Speaker 2: the way that someone would deliver a line and then
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  Speaker 2: rewatching it this time as a writer, and it is
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  Speaker 2: not written like a standard TV show, which is so
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  Speaker 2: great these moments of you know, there's a line that
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  Speaker 2: I loved that I'll hail the Queen of the non sequitters.
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  Speaker 2: I think this show is so many of those things
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  Speaker 2: where you're just following these experiences. You're not saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: we every scene has to end with like a new
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  Speaker 2: we have to have a new revelation. No, sometimes you
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  Speaker 2: can just live in these characters. Sometimes you just want
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  Speaker 2: to have those juicy connections and see what the crazy
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  Speaker 2: stuff that comes out, which is what I think is
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  Speaker 2: the magic of the show. It didn't go faster than
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  Speaker 2: it needed to because you wanted to hang out with them,
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  Speaker 2: wanted to hang out with everyone, and that's what we
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  Speaker 2: got to do by watching Yeah, and.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was never television. It was theater, or
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  Speaker 1: it was film, or it was indie film, because it
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  Speaker 1: would it would, it would separate itself from a film
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  Speaker 1: vibe to go into a cooler, edgier, risk here, more
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  Speaker 1: humorous that that was. That was what was masquerading his
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  Speaker 1: television was the indie film pop culture vibe. And then
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  Speaker 1: it would go back to film, and then it would
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  Speaker 1: go back to theater. It was never television.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great point. Yeah, that indie vibe, that's so true.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Scott Patterson, We're going to be in New Haven,
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  Speaker 1: All about a CEE over there, all right. So then
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  Speaker 1: the second time around with the new with the second load,
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  Speaker 1: Laura I gets a page from Rory. She gets a page.
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  Speaker 1: She has a pager asking Rory asking her to come back,
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  Speaker 1: and she has to use the truck against Laura Li
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  Speaker 1: goes back late. Then next day the mattress is still
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  Speaker 1: in the back of the truck, so she asked Luke
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  Speaker 1: to store it again once she returns to stars Hollow,
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  Speaker 1: and then, like you know, the mattress routine continues and
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  Speaker 1: it was still funny. He's like, I can't I can't
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  Speaker 1: get with this stupid mattress. He reluctantly agrees. Lorel I
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  Speaker 1: tells him thank you for everything, comes home to an
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  Speaker 1: empty house. That was a moment. And that is the
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  Speaker 1: brilliance of the Palladinos. They do this. They always end it,
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  Speaker 1: well not always, but it's they often ended on this,
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  Speaker 1: this with this tone, and it's just so full, no
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  Speaker 1: matter how many laughs you've had, no matter how enjoyable
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  Speaker 1: the episode was, they are going to pull at your
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  Speaker 1: heart strings. They're gonna they're gonna get you. And it's
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  Speaker 1: just you know, they are masters. They are just masters
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  Speaker 1: of this form.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, it's funny. I don't know if you
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: would have had that same impact if she hadn't had
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: to go back, like if she'd just gone home and
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: it was a sad moment, but real, let you know,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: that speech about wanting my mommy and going back and
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: like easing her into it, and and then I think
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: she felt like she had a purpose, like she was
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: needed to do that transition, and then she left and
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: her job was done. Oh god, I'm gonna cry. Yeah
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And again here we have another example of TV
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have done this, but film or theater would have
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  Speaker 1: right send her back to Yale, right exactly, so it happened.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so real, beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: I do wonder, like, I mean, I assume that that
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: you guys just got to you didn't have a ton
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: of notes by the time this was going from from
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: the higher ups that it was just this magic had
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: worked so much that you didn't have a lot of
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: a lot of input or feedback from from like why
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: if it ain't broke, don't fix it?
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm you're asking me? Yeah, sure, Yeah, there was
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  Speaker 1: I think at times there were, especially in the beginning,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: there was tension. Yeah, but you know, when an artist
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: is operating at such a high level, they're not gonna
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: let you know, the buyer tell them more red over here,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: less blue over there. You know, it's like walking into
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Picasso's studio and saying, buddy, you're you know these these
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: these images? Can't they be more realistic looking? They look
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: so odd and disturbing.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I don't understand the horses.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Why most people, those people look like they're in distress.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: What do you trying to do? You'll just upset people
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  Speaker 1: with this.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Do you know that? Uh huh, that's so true.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Could we do Dora Marson? Because you know, why does
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: it have to be Dora mar right? Right? Right? So,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I mean a very poignant ending of this episode, and
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I thought, I thought Lauren played it so well. She
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: held back so much, and it was just really she
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: let us feel it. She let us feel the emotion.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Acting lesson here, folks. Listen up. If you want to
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: know how to play an emotional scene when you know
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: it's fraught with emotion, you know, as the actor going
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: in that you're going to feel a tremendous amount of
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: things because you're so invested in the role and you're
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: so invested in the relationship with your daughter. She wanted
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: to cry there a hundred times. She wanted to cry
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: a river, but she wouldn't let herself do it because
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: she knows not to do that. She knows to let
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: the audience cry. If she cries a river, it's too
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: much done there, let.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: The tension out. Yeah, yeah. And and Lorla is such
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: a kinetic character, like she is so always in motion,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: and you know, first thought theater and and so to
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: have those moments of stillness are so you know, you
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: you know, that's there's so much weight to that.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I just remember that last glance. She looked
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: upstairs too, and I knew what she was thinking. It's like,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: how the hell am I going to go up there now?
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: How am I going to sleep in my house now
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: without my baby? Oh?
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I'm so good, And you're sorry. It wasn't overdone. It
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: was just really subtle, like all the chaos had just happened,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: and now she she went home and it was quiet
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: and still and painful.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Right, we have a couple of questions for you. Okay,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: all right, So you played Hell in season four, Mom
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: who hires Suki and Laura l I to cater her
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: son's party, but Suki ends up making fancy food that
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the kids don't end up eating. Right, what do you
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: remember about filming that day? Oh?
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, just to back up for one second.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I remember the audition because this was a smaller character,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: and I had three scenes and it was just somebody
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: coming in and asking for you know, food, and then
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: the second one is like, okay, I think we're ready
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: for the next thing, and you know, she just comes
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: in and she's like checking in on the party. And
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I remember going in and I took these three scenes
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: and I made her more chaotic and freaked out in
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: each scene. You know, every time she came in she
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: was more stressed out. And they I remember they laughed
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: and they said, well, that's that's why you got the role,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: because you took this like sort of very small thing
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: and made a strong choice and we didn't end up
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: using that take in the episode because I was there
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: to service this obviously the stars who had their own conflict,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: and it wasn't a story about Helen's drama, but it
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: was it was interesting to hear from them. They specifically
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: said making that choice was why they hired me. In
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: terms of being on set, you know, it was nice
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: to see Lauren again, and I knew Melissa from as
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: we say, around campus, like from the auditions, and so
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: it was very warm, very welcoming. I remember walking through
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Stars Hollow with them and it was just, you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I'm trying to be really cool,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: trying to like chill out on how amazing this is.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: But I just remember, you know, like I said, how
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: everyone was at one hundred, like there was no I've
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: been on sets where the minute they say cut, someone
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: walks away, or you just can tell the actors are
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: just learning their lines right now and just saying it
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: and they're, you know, in their mind they're wondering what's
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: for lunch. And this was so you were you were
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: in with prize fighters, you know, you were you had
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: to keep up and watch and learn and jump in
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: when you had to jump in.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And it was really fun. I will admit sometimes I
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: did drift off in two thoughts of lunch.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, lunch is good, lunch is good, lunch
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: is important. And you know what my guess is. Then
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: you used that as a motivation for your cares.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I refuse to eat breakfast just to use that
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: as motivation exactly. That's how dedicated I am mad and hungry.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: All right? So you produced and wrote this series as
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I referred to, is that manifest? Any manifest from eighteen
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three? Ready? Why to run that as? Wow?
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I can't tell you.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So what from your acting experience did you take
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: with you when working on a show behind the scenes.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: That's such a great question, and it well.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I'm glad I thought of it. I and my producers
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: did not think of it.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I thought, well, it's interesting because I don't think enough
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: people think of that transition. And for me, I had,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: you know, decades of what reading, as you said earlier,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: scripts were the words are they're saying what you're saying?
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I had years and years and years of reading incredible scripts,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: corappy scripts, and seeing you know, character that if I
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: was a small part, had layers and so much going
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: on and then and just being exposed to so many
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: different scripts, environments, characters was a masterclass. So taking that
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: into every script that I write, like I want, I
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: want every character, no matter how small, that I write,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: to be somebody I would want to play and I
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: would want, you know, I would be excited to play,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: not just having a job, but like, wow, this is
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: this is this is a whole person. So definitely the
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: character work and that has been the character work and
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the elegance of the scripts. You know, don't what I
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: said about, you know, being on set with everybody firing
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: at a hundred I think if you have the privilege
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: of being in this industry as your job, like crazy,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: make them ups is how we survive. It is such
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: a privilege and an honor. And so trying to fire
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: at one hundred percent after seeing people not fired one
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: hundred percent, that's another thing that I definitely, you know,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: try to bring to the writing producing side.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Good, good, good, Margaret. It was a pleasure. We are
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: out of time, such a joy because I have to
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: go back and I have to think of more great
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: questions to ask, but.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I love it. You and you absolutely made my day.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much and oh gosh, thanks you too
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: be part of this.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Like even in my tiny little participation in your show
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: was it was a definite moment for me in my life.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: I kind of so kind interview, so kind, Please come back, Okay, definitely.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll have some things to talk about in the
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: in the workfront.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good, good, good, All right, Margaret, all of
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: us to you. And remember, everybody, keep the cards and
• 31:14
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• 31:19
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