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D4VD DEFENSE BOMBSHELL: CELESTE WASN’T 'KILLED' BY ANYONE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: A D four VD David Burke Defense Bob Shell teen Girls.
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Speaker 2: Celeste wasn't killed by anyone, then how does she end
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Speaker 2: up dead and dismembered and D four VD Burke's tesla?
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Speaker 2: How does that happen?
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Speaker 1: Am I hearing now that no one will be held
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Speaker 1: accountable for this little girl's death and dismemberment, much less
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Speaker 1: leaving her out in.
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Speaker 2: The hot weather in a car trunk to rot. I'm
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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us. A dead body in your
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Speaker 2: trunk can really hurt your reputation.
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Speaker 1: Did he ever report his tesla missing? Absolutely not? Okay,
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Speaker 1: did he ever report Celeste missing?
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Speaker 2: We know?
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Speaker 1: Is this real?
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Speaker 2: Has this enormous gift to the defense just dropped into
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Speaker 2: their lap? It all goes to a myriad of pill
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Speaker 2: bottles found in D four vdaka David Anthony Burke's home.
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Speaker 1: A myriad of pill.
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Speaker 2: Bottles belonging to we here, to a myriad of people
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Speaker 2: that we're living there, in and out and in and out.
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Speaker 2: Based on those pill bottles and so far a lack
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Speaker 2: of a CEOD cause of death, does this mean no
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Speaker 2: one will answer up for a dead teen girl decomposing
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Speaker 2: in a hot car trunk.
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Speaker 1: Listen. Bottles of prescription.
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Speaker 3: Pain medication and drug pair of fenilia are recovered inside
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Speaker 3: the home, not by LAPD but by Steve Fisher. Sure
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Speaker 3: the LAPD did not publicly disclose finding prescription drugs or
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Speaker 3: drug pair ferinalia. Other people were staying there as well,
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Speaker 3: men and women, their personal belongings in guest bedrooms, bathroom cabinets,
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Speaker 3: and bedside tables.
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Speaker 1: A neighbor reported seeing Celeste sitting.
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Speaker 3: On the curb in front of the house as if
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Speaker 3: she was waiting for someone to let her inside.
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Speaker 1: What does it all mean?
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Speaker 2: We know, based on neighbor accounts and war that Celeste
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Speaker 2: was living in the home of David Anthony Burke AKAD
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Speaker 2: four VD. He says David straight out to special guest
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Speaker 2: Steve Fisher, joining us missing person's private investigator, search and
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Speaker 2: rescue specialist, owner of Search Investigation who is hired by
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Speaker 2: the owner of Burke's mansion. Now, I want to get
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Speaker 2: to the fact that there is no cod right now
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Speaker 2: in my experience, a to psychology report, a screening would
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Speaker 2: have come back by now, which Lee make concerns Steve
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Speaker 2: Fisher that we're not going to get an accurate toxicology report.
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Speaker 2: Why because she basically baked and melted in that Tesla trunk.
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Speaker 2: Tell me about the pill bottles, the numerous pill bottles
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Speaker 2: scattering the four vd's mansion.
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Speaker 4: When they moved out of the house, they took what
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Speaker 4: they took, they left the rest behind, and we found
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Speaker 4: opiate prescription medications. Now I can't say that they weren't
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Speaker 4: taking these as prescribed, but there was you know, several
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Speaker 4: bottles of them in the house.
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Speaker 5: And there's other you know, pervormentalia that can be for
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Speaker 5: recreational drugs.
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Speaker 2: Okay, stop stop, probably there, Steve, Steve, Okay, you're on
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Speaker 2: crime stories. There's no wiggle room when you say drug paraphernalia.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean? Please be specific.
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Speaker 4: There was a there was items that can use for
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Speaker 4: like vaping, uh you know, not just like tobacco, but
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Speaker 4: also other you know items, and there was many of them,
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Speaker 4: and then also you know, like uh, smoking pipes.
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Speaker 2: And don't worry, see, I understand you're not saying that's
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Speaker 2: what the drug paraphernalia was used for. I simply asked you,
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Speaker 2: let me rephrase it for you. What you found I'm
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Speaker 2: not asking you who it belonged to, who used it,
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Speaker 2: or how it was used. So one, two, three, what
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Speaker 2: did you find? Steve Fisher and D four VD David
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Speaker 2: Anthony Burk's rented mansion specifically, So there.
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Speaker 5: Was opiate prescription medication.
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Speaker 4: Uh, there was a few bottels of that, and then
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Speaker 4: there was perphernalia they used to smoke different types of drugs.
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Speaker 4: You know, it's not for you know, one type. It's
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Speaker 4: something you find in a smoke shop, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, Okay. Op Opiates can mean any number of things.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crown's joining US Chief Medical Examiner, Ran County,
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Speaker 2: that's Fort Worth. He is an esteemed lecturer at the
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Speaker 2: Mernet School of Medicine at TCU, and he's a star
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Speaker 2: of a hit podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue. Doctor Crowns,
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Speaker 2: please simply put when I'm hearing opiates are found in
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Speaker 2: the home, what could that consist of?
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Speaker 1: What is an opiate?
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Speaker 6: And opiate is a classification of drugs that are like
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Speaker 6: painkillers that can be heroin, morphine, fentanyl, hydrocodone, oxycodone, and
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Speaker 6: anything in those kind of categories. So opiates is a
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Speaker 6: broad term that you can then take that generalized term
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Speaker 6: and break it down into these other more specific findings
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Speaker 6: like fentanyl or heroin by doing toxicologic testing.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so opiate's found in the home.
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Speaker 2: And when Steve Fischer goes out of his way to
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Speaker 2: say that they were prescriptioned, that's good because we're going
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Speaker 2: to have names on those pill bottles, Steve Fisher, without
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Speaker 2: divulging names, were their names on the pill bottles of opiates?
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Speaker 4: They were and then they were hyder Codon, they were
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Speaker 4: lower Tab, generic, Lord Tab of opiates pain killers.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Now, now for some reason you've loosened up and you're
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Speaker 2: telling me what you found, Laura tab and oxy. Okay
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Speaker 2: to doctor Kendall Crown's, isn't it true that typically you
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Speaker 2: can get opiates by prescription or you can just get
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Speaker 2: them on the street.
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Speaker 6: Yes, so you can get them either way. Prescription or
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Speaker 6: purchasing them off the street is a fine way of
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Speaker 6: getting them. Usually, prescription medications are fairly easily to get
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Speaker 6: a hold up from doctors and pain management doctors.
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Speaker 2: Especially to Luke Kenton, joining a senior investigative reporter with
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Speaker 2: Daily Mail, Luke Kenton, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: You see where I'm going with this, right, Luke, if
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Speaker 2: there weren't multiple pill bottles of opius, and you know,
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Speaker 2: from what I've seen, and it hasn't all made it
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Speaker 2: into mainstream media, there were a lot of people in
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Speaker 2: and out, a.
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Speaker 1: Core group living there, but a lot.
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Speaker 2: Of people in and out of Burke's home. There were
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Speaker 2: a lot of pill bottles reportedly in Burke's home. Where
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Speaker 2: I'm going with this is if we don't get a
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Speaker 2: cod cause of death, if she's too decomposed to get
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Speaker 2: a good toxicology.
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Speaker 1: Screen, the argument is going to be Luke Kenton. Oh, she.
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Speaker 2: Voluntarily, all on her own, just gobbled down a bunch
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Speaker 2: of opiates as she died. That's how she died. Everybody,
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Speaker 2: we had nothing to do with it, and then out
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Speaker 2: of fear, we hit her body. That's where this is
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Speaker 2: going Kenton.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it speaks to the complicated nature of
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Speaker 7: this investigation as it stands. You know, when the story
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Speaker 7: first broke, you saw young girl found in Singer's car,
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Speaker 7: you thought, okay, slam dunk arrest. Much more information that
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Speaker 7: we don't currently have, and chief among that is a
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Speaker 7: concrete timeline we don't even know really when Celeste was
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Speaker 7: last seen alive. We don't know how long she was
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Speaker 7: dead for and as you say, you know, we don't
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Speaker 7: know how she does and it's unclear if we're even
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Speaker 7: going to get any clarity on that.
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Speaker 2: Do you have any idea, Luke Kinton, who the people
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Speaker 2: were going in and out? It was like Grand Central
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Speaker 2: station at Burke's mansion, and who were the core people
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Speaker 2: actually living there? Any idea on that? Had they been identified,
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Speaker 2: and that has just not been released.
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Speaker 1: They haven't been publicly named.
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Speaker 7: There has been obviously, as I'm sure you're a where
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Speaker 7: a lot of online sleuthing going on around this case
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Speaker 7: and trying to piece to gather the blanks that the
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Speaker 7: LAPD aren't currently filling in for us publicly. Some of
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Speaker 7: these individuals and I can't speak to the people that
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Speaker 7: may or may not have been living at the home,
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Speaker 7: but there was a group that David was often seen
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Speaker 7: with in social media. On social media, one close friend
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Speaker 7: in particular that a kid to be involved in his
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Speaker 7: music team in some capacity.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So basically what you're telling me is there's a
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Speaker 2: lot of people in and out and nobody can confirm it. Okay,
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Speaker 2: Luke Kenton, I understand where you're coming from. But Steve Fisher,
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Speaker 2: if a cop got up on the stand and tried
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Speaker 2: to sell me that bill of goods, okay, I would
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Speaker 2: have him held in con tipt of court because you
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Speaker 2: have painstakingly gone up and down the streets surrounding David
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Speaker 2: Burke's home, and you have amassed video ring.
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Speaker 1: Doorbell cam, security cam, you name it cam, and you
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Speaker 1: can see who is going in and out of the home.
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Speaker 1: And forget get it up and down the street that mansion.
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Speaker 1: Let's see that shot.
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Speaker 2: Control room that we got from our friend Harvey Levin
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Speaker 2: over at TMZ. The mansion is covered in security camps.
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Speaker 1: So we know who goes in and stays overnight on
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Speaker 1: a daily basis.
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Speaker 2: It's not rocket science, Fisher. To figure out who's living there.
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Speaker 2: All you have to do is paying their phone and
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Speaker 2: see is it there night after night after night.
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Speaker 1: I mean, do I have to connect the dots here?
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Speaker 4: No, It's like I said, it's not part to do.
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Speaker 4: In fact, they put it on their own social media.
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Speaker 4: There's constantly, you know, photos in the house. There's this
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Speaker 4: group of four or five of them that are always
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Speaker 4: always there and they're kind of.
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Speaker 5: David's you know, groupies or whatever.
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Speaker 4: You know, they work with them, but they're always around,
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Speaker 4: and like you said, there's all there's surveillance. And in fact,
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Speaker 4: I have a meeting this afternoon with another homeowner and
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Speaker 4: that's back in town and hopefully getting important surveys from
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Speaker 4: very close to the house that.
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Speaker 5: Might shed more light on that.
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Speaker 4: And I'll tell you one of the people actually left
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Speaker 4: their car there for two months while this was all
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Speaker 4: going on. So the people that were definitely using the
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Speaker 4: house kind of as a home.
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Speaker 1: Base at least, you know what, Fisher, Let's just cut it.
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Speaker 1: Let's just cut through it.
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Speaker 2: All I need is one witness, one witness to crack
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Speaker 2: one of Burke's insiders to tell the truth about the
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Speaker 2: night Celeste died. Otherwise no one is going to be
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Speaker 2: held responsible. That's the way it's heading right now. Things
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Speaker 2: could change.
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Speaker 1: When you say a core group, what does that mean.
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Speaker 1: Are you referring to the two to four people we
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Speaker 1: think live there with Burke?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, or at least we're staying there often.
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Speaker 4: They might have had their own residences too many they
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Speaker 4: had to think belongings there.
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Speaker 5: The nightstands were being used and what not.
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Speaker 2: And there is a couple of mil hold it, hold it,
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Speaker 2: hold it, stop everything.
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Speaker 1: I like that. Hold on. You're right, You're right, Fisher.
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Speaker 2: You can have your own under the lobby, call it domicile,
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Speaker 2: your own residence. But if you basically shack up or
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Speaker 2: live somewhere else, that's what I'm getting at. Yes, now
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Speaker 2: I understand Luke Kenton's hesitance, because you don't have to
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Speaker 2: formally live there to be living there like that doesn't
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Speaker 2: have to be where you get your mail or what
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Speaker 2: you put on your tax forms if you file tax forms.
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Speaker 2: But if you're even conveniently living there, that's who I'm
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Speaker 2: talking about. Back to Steve Fisher, Steve, I want to
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Speaker 2: get to the nightstand. I hate to rush you, but
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Speaker 2: I've got X number of minutes to get this information out.
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Speaker 1: Nightstands, all right, very important?
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Speaker 2: Do do you find paraphernalia, drug paraphernalia, pill bottles, any
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Speaker 2: evidence of someone sleeping in the home in the night stands?
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Speaker 1: Because you know, when you go to a hotel.
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Speaker 2: And you're only going to be there one night, does
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Speaker 2: everybody actually unpack their bags and all their stuff and
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Speaker 2: put it in the nightstand? Is there evidence someone has
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Speaker 2: been there more than one night?
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Speaker 1: Why do I care. I care because I'm going to find.
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Speaker 2: Out who owned these pill bottles full of oxy. I'm
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Speaker 2: talking oxy fentanyl, opius that could kill a little girl.
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Speaker 2: That's who I'm talking about, Steve Fisher. And once I
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Speaker 2: can identify these people that were living there, whether officially
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Speaker 2: or unofficially, then I have a witness list.
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Speaker 1: See where I'm going, Steve, No.
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Speaker 4: I do, yes, they were, so I don't guess that wish.
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Speaker 5: The nice stays were being used.
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Speaker 4: There's no doubt, and you can tell that you know
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Speaker 4: they're you know, in the master bedroom there was female
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Speaker 4: products in the bathroom was completely filled with things where
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Speaker 4: it wasn't just an overnight type of thing.
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Speaker 5: It was like a living situation.
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Speaker 4: And they also had you know, like gaming stations set
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Speaker 4: up and whatnot in the rooms for different.
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Speaker 2: Okay, gaming stations don't mean anything to me because D
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Speaker 2: four VD could be using those gaming stations. He's on
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Speaker 2: online playing game games constantly, so he could just wander
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Speaker 2: from room to room. I need evidence that other people
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Speaker 2: were living there because I want to try to connect
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Speaker 2: them to.
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Speaker 1: These pill bottles. If that is in fact the CEO
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Speaker 1: d on Celeste.
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Speaker 2: Wait a minute again, that's not going to convince a jury.
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Speaker 1: Steve Fisher, I hate to push it on the hot
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Speaker 1: spot not but when you say female products, what are
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Speaker 1: you talking about? Are you afraid to say tampon on
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Speaker 1: the air?
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Speaker 2: Over fifty percent of population where women we know what
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Speaker 2: they are.
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Speaker 1: Don't be afraid, little boy.
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Speaker 2: What were the female products that and how much were
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Speaker 2: there to indicate somebody who's actually living there?
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Speaker 1: This is important.
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Speaker 4: There was feminine hygiene products for sure, but I was
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Speaker 4: there's also a ton of makeup and you know, make
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Speaker 4: up bags and hair product that is female base. But
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Speaker 4: there was There was feminine hygiene products for sure, and
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Speaker 4: there was I think like six or seven separate, you know,
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Speaker 4: containers of them, so it wasn't just like an overnight
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Speaker 4: type of thing.
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Speaker 5: It was.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was bise stage.
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Speaker 2: The reason I'm parsing products here is because it could
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Speaker 2: be argued that the four VD David Anthony Burke uses
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Speaker 2: makeup in his videos, So I need something I know
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Speaker 2: he's not going to use, like a big box of
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Speaker 2: forty to sixty tampons.
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 2: And I don't care if the own of these pill
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Speaker 2: bottles was a woman a man.
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Speaker 1: I don't care. I just need to get names, which
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Speaker 1: you can get off pill bottles. Okay, I want to
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Speaker 1: talk about the potential cood and what is the hold up.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is Joanna Neevis. She is a veteran criminal
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Speaker 2: defense attorney, founder of the Nevis Law Firm, and she's
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Speaker 2: joining us out of California.
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Speaker 1: Joanna, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: This is It's like somewhere up in the atmosphere, the
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Speaker 2: lack of a cod cause of death just fell in
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Speaker 2: the defense lap, and now they have an avenue, a
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Speaker 2: convincing avenue of defense.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's true. I'm not saying it's false.
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Speaker 2: But when you have a young girl dad in the
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Speaker 2: trunk and dismembered, which is a whole another issue that's
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Speaker 2: not act. We don't have a COD. We have all
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Speaker 2: these pill bottles lying around. I can see where the
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Speaker 2: defense is headed. What would you do with that, Joanna?
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Speaker 8: I would say the same thing I've been saying the
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Speaker 8: entire time is that we need evidence and an actual
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Speaker 8: crime of murder, what's committed and the cause of death
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Speaker 8: is what would help us establish that because you know,
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Speaker 8: what we're dealing with is so many scenarios that could
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Speaker 8: have happened. And I actually have said this for months
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Speaker 8: now or weeks now, that this could have been an
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Speaker 8: accidental overdose. It could have been somebody that found the
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Speaker 8: body or or got nervous and panicked about what happened
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Speaker 8: and made the bad judgment call of concealing the body,
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Speaker 8: but not necessarily committing a murder. So I think that
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Speaker 8: what we're hearing is that there are still things that
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Speaker 8: are coming to the surface that would actually help the
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Speaker 8: defense defend maybe even a crime that never even occurred.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm taking that fund about discourse to mean
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Speaker 2: that you, as a defense attorney, if you're handling this case,
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Speaker 2: would argue that obviously Celeste must have died by accident
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Speaker 2: of an overdose, unless somebody's going to claim she committed suicide,
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Speaker 2: which is highly unlikely, and that someone panicked and instead
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Speaker 2: of calling nine one one or trying to revive her,
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Speaker 2: they went, hey, it'd be a great idea to chop
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Speaker 2: up her body and put her in a trunk.
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Speaker 1: Is that your defense? Just a simple yes?
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Speaker 8: I definitely yes, I definitely think that it was possible.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Dr Bethany Marshall is joining us renowned psychoanalyst out of
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Speaker 2: the LA jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker.
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Speaker 1: You can see her now on Peacock. Dr Bethany.
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Speaker 2: This reminds me in a bad way of top Mom
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Speaker 2: Casey Anthony, who actually told your and it worked, by
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Speaker 2: the way, that her little girl Kelly drowned by accident
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Speaker 2: and instead of calling nine one one, everybody thought it
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Speaker 2: was a good idea to wrap her up in a blanket,
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Speaker 2: put her in a trash bag, and throw her in
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Speaker 2: a swamp. Let's see, I've got a problem with that,
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Speaker 2: but that's generally the same thing that's going to be
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Speaker 2: argued here.
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Speaker 1: But it worked there.
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Speaker 9: Hey, Nancy, you do not dismember a body because the
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Speaker 9: victim overdosed, You just don't.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's overkilled, overkilled.
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Speaker 9: Something else bad happened in that house, And I've been
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Speaker 9: playing in my mind with what could that bad thing
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Speaker 9: have been. Was there a domestic violence incident and somebody
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Speaker 9: was choking her? Is there evidence on the body? Was
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Speaker 9: she gain rape? Is there semen on the body? Was
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Speaker 9: she offered drugs like fentanel or something like that, that,
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Speaker 9: or opiates that were prescribed for somebody? El I do
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Speaker 9: not believe somebody just went and murdered her.
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Speaker 1: For murder's sake. You do not.
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Speaker 9: Dismember a body just because the overdosed. You call nine one.
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Speaker 2: One Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I believe her body,
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Speaker 2: Celest's body, the little girl's body was already in the
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Speaker 2: vehicle when it was parked.
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Speaker 1: He's got video of the tesla coming around the curve
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Speaker 1: from the direction of Burke's house, his mansion. Hence the
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Speaker 1: body was already in the car and it's coming.
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Speaker 2: Over from Burke's house.
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Speaker 1: Stay with me.
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Speaker 2: I'm about to go to doctor Kendall Crown's who is
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Speaker 2: a renowned medical examiner, has handled thousands of autopsies. But
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Speaker 2: I want to follow up on who who was in
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Speaker 2: that home.
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Speaker 1: Okay, listen to this.
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Speaker 3: Burke was in town the day the dented and covered
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Speaker 3: in mud tesla was last moved, July twenty ninth. That
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Speaker 3: same day, Burke left town with his personal assistant Neo,
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Speaker 3: after his tesla was last moved to the spot it
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Speaker 3: would later be towed from and performing in San Francisco
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Speaker 3: that night his now canceled Withered World tour. Burke had
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Speaker 3: a very small, tight knit entourage, two to four people
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Speaker 3: close to Burke, appeared to be living in the mansion,
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Speaker 3: with Burke Burke's previously close friend group now making efforts
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Speaker 3: to appear less tight knit. Surveillance footage from his twenty
21:40
Speaker 3: thousand dollars a month rental home shows three or four
21:43
Speaker 3: individuals who not only share the home but regularly access
21:47
Speaker 3: his tesla. Those individuals have not been seen together since
21:51
Speaker 3: the discovery of Celeste remains, and all have unfollowed each
21:55
Speaker 3: other on social media.
21:57
Speaker 2: Dave magg joining me Crime Stories in to get a reporter.
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Speaker 2: So Dave mack, okay, let me understand.
22:03
Speaker 1: If nobody did anything wrong, then why is everyone running
22:09
Speaker 1: in different directions.
22:10
Speaker 2: And on following each other on social media? I mean
22:14
Speaker 2: the day and I got to go back to Fisher
22:15
Speaker 2: on this. In a moment, Dave mac remind me to
22:18
Speaker 2: circle back to him. The last day that D four
22:22
Speaker 2: VD David Anthony Burks tesla was moved.
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Speaker 1: Remember you got a.
22:26
Speaker 2: Dead body, a little girl decomposing in the trunk. It's
22:30
Speaker 2: hotter and hotter and hotter. More and more evidence including
22:36
Speaker 2: cause of death. Coeod is being lost literally by the minute.
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Speaker 1: And what are they doing? They're moving the car?
22:44
Speaker 2: Why because it's a Fancy Barely Hills Home and Hollywood
22:50
Speaker 2: Hills Home. And they know that the owners of those
22:53
Speaker 2: lots are going to complain if a nasty car is
22:56
Speaker 2: sitting in front of their lot for days on end.
23:00
Speaker 2: So every few days the tesla is being moved around.
23:03
Speaker 2: What's the less dead in the trunk? Point? If nothing
23:08
Speaker 2: wrong happened, then why did everybody living in that home?
23:13
Speaker 2: Dave Max suddenly scatter to the four ends of the earth.
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Speaker 1: You know, Nancy.
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Speaker 10: The biggest thing about this is exactly what you're pointing out.
23:23
Speaker 10: That the last day it was moved on July twenty ninth,
23:27
Speaker 10: the car stays there and has not moved again until.
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Speaker 5: It's towed away.
23:31
Speaker 10: But Burke and his friend Bol he's in San Francisco
23:35
Speaker 10: performing that very night. He's got his agent or his
23:39
Speaker 10: assistant with him, the guy that's always with him, they've
23:41
Speaker 10: called him, you know. Anyway, they're gone. And then after
23:47
Speaker 10: the body is found, David Burt continues on Nancy. Now
23:52
Speaker 10: the rats begin to flee, but Burt is acting like
23:55
Speaker 10: nothing happened.
23:56
Speaker 1: Think about it.
23:57
Speaker 10: This is his car. The body's been found. He knows
23:59
Speaker 10: who it is, but he's still doing his thing. He
24:03
Speaker 10: didn't cancel the tour. When she was identified Nancy, the
24:07
Speaker 10: tour was canceled for him. He wanted to keep moving
24:10
Speaker 10: on like nothing happened. They're acting like children in every
24:14
Speaker 10: bit of this. And when you think about it, Burke
24:16
Speaker 10: is twenty years old. He was homeschooled, he was sheltered,
24:21
Speaker 10: raised in a church choir. It makes no adult sense,
24:25
Speaker 10: but maybe it makes sense to somebody who's got the
24:27
Speaker 10: maturity level of a twelve year old.
24:30
Speaker 2: To doctor Bethany Marshall, joining US psychoanalyst and author, doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 2: everybode scatters to the four corners of the earth, but
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Speaker 2: then is followed up by unfollowing each other online. I
24:46
Speaker 2: find that a step too far not to have some
24:50
Speaker 2: sort of implication.
24:52
Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 9: I mean, they are definitely trying to distance themselves from
24:57
Speaker 9: each other. And you know, in that world, you know
24:59
Speaker 9: instantly somebody unfollows you, you know, and it's so easy
25:02
Speaker 9: to track. I would wonder with this group, who knows
25:06
Speaker 9: what about the other person? Did one person see another
25:12
Speaker 9: member of the house supply drugs? Did one person see
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Speaker 9: another person abuse Celeste and not call nine one one?
25:20
Speaker 9: All that drug paraphernalia Nancy, I'm very interested in that.
25:24
Speaker 9: Were the opiates in the room of the patient for
25:27
Speaker 9: which the opiates have been prescribed or were they scattered
25:31
Speaker 9: around the house?
25:31
Speaker 1: Was the house neat or messy? Did it look like
25:33
Speaker 1: a drat.
25:34
Speaker 9: House, a crack house or was it a kept neat
25:37
Speaker 9: Was all the drug paraphernalia in one place like people
25:40
Speaker 9: were just trying it recreationally.
25:42
Speaker 2: Or was it well to stay Fisher all like a
25:44
Speaker 2: mess Stay Fisher?
25:46
Speaker 1: Where were the drugs?
25:48
Speaker 2: And let me also point out Stave Fisher, Well, we
25:51
Speaker 2: learned this from you. LAPD had already searched the home.
25:56
Speaker 2: Now they haven't mentioned finding drug to drug paraphernalia. That
25:59
Speaker 2: is an mean they didn't find it. But by the
26:03
Speaker 2: time you searched it, where did you find the drugs?
26:07
Speaker 4: So there was several different bottles of them and one
26:11
Speaker 4: you know, being in the like a living room table
26:13
Speaker 4: that was kind of like a where they did all
26:16
Speaker 4: the streaming from is accessible there.
26:19
Speaker 5: And then also.
26:20
Speaker 4: In the bathrooms, so I think there was three different
26:25
Speaker 4: opium prescription bodels and so they were accessible, they weren't
26:30
Speaker 4: locked up.
26:31
Speaker 5: Or anything like that, were accessible to anybody in the house.
26:33
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, and you're speaking legally right now in
26:37
Speaker 2: response to doctor Bethany Marshall and your right Steve, the
26:40
Speaker 2: fact that they were in various locations, those doors were
26:44
Speaker 2: not locked, anyone would have had access to them.
26:47
Speaker 1: But you know, isn't it true?
26:49
Speaker 2: Johanna and nyevs veteran defense attorney that under the law,
26:52
Speaker 2: and this is a jury charge, a jury structure that
26:55
Speaker 2: will be read to a jury in this case, if
26:57
Speaker 2: there ever is one, says that the jury can take
27:01
Speaker 2: into account behavior before jeering and after the incident, which
27:05
Speaker 2: means a jury could take into account that very oddly,
27:10
Speaker 2: very uncharacteristically, all of DFOURVDS David Anthony Berg's friends that
27:17
Speaker 2: normally lived together, that hang out together every single day
27:20
Speaker 2: and night, that parked their cars there from months on end,
27:23
Speaker 2: they all scattered to north, south, east and west and
27:27
Speaker 2: unfollowed each other. That can be taken into account, and
27:31
Speaker 2: it can be argued on closing that that is a
27:36
Speaker 2: guilty conscience. You know something bad went down, you know
27:40
Speaker 2: about it, so you get the hell out of Dodge.
27:44
Speaker 2: Can't that be argued by a prosecution.
27:46
Speaker 8: Yes, this could be an indicator of consciousness of guilt.
27:49
Speaker 8: But what we have to keep in mind is that
27:51
Speaker 8: something bad did happen. There was a dismembered body in
27:54
Speaker 8: a trunk, So they are likely trying to distance themselves
27:57
Speaker 8: from the fact that someone tried to conceal a body
28:00
Speaker 8: and there is a knowingness around that. But the point
28:02
Speaker 8: still remains that we can't prove yet whether this was
28:06
Speaker 8: the cause of death was actually a murder and then
28:10
Speaker 8: the concealment of the body.
28:11
Speaker 1: Do I care about the tesla?
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Speaker 8: No?
28:13
Speaker 2: Do I care who put the tesla there or moved it? Yes,
28:16
Speaker 2: because I believe that person had knowledge the celess body,
28:20
Speaker 2: a little girl.
28:21
Speaker 1: Was decomposing in the truck.
28:26
Speaker 2: Has a massive gift been dropped in the lapse of
28:30
Speaker 2: the defense that gift.
28:33
Speaker 1: There is no c D cause of death as of tonight.
28:38
Speaker 2: Now, with all of this in mind, straight out to
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Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns joining us. As I've mentioned, Chief Medical Examiner,
28:45
Speaker 2: Rant County and Star of Mayhem and the Morgue, Doctor
28:48
Speaker 2: Kendall Crowns, I've waited on a lot of toxicology reports
28:52
Speaker 2: as have you, to get an.
28:54
Speaker 1: Official cause of death.
28:56
Speaker 2: Toxicology reports are needed in a case where you can't
29:00
Speaker 2: look at the body either under the microscope like you are,
29:03
Speaker 2: with a naked eye like me and say, oh yeah,
29:06
Speaker 2: she was stabb dead. Oh yeah, she was bludge and dead.
29:09
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is a GSW gunshot wound. You have
29:12
Speaker 2: to have toxicology when you can't overtly see what the
29:16
Speaker 2: ceod is.
29:18
Speaker 1: Right, But in all of my.
29:20
Speaker 2: History, I don't recall it taking this long. Is this
29:27
Speaker 2: the death knell? Does this mean toxicology is not revealing
29:33
Speaker 2: a cause of death.
29:37
Speaker 6: Well, it can be the fact that it can take
29:39
Speaker 6: up to eight to ten weeks to get good toxicology
29:42
Speaker 6: testing done, especially in a severe decomp She was in
29:46
Speaker 6: that trunk for several weeks. Her decomposition processes could have
29:51
Speaker 6: caused her blood to dry up and other tissues to
29:54
Speaker 6: not be available. And they may be relying on liver
29:57
Speaker 6: and muscle to get their toxicologic test done. And when
30:01
Speaker 6: they have to rely on these two solid organs, the
30:03
Speaker 6: toxicology lab has to grind them up and homogenize them,
30:07
Speaker 6: making them into a liquid so they can test them.
30:09
Speaker 6: And this can add even more.
30:11
Speaker 2: To stop right there, Stop, doctor Kendl Crowns. Look, we
30:16
Speaker 2: all everybody on this panel except that you're smarter than us.
30:21
Speaker 2: Can you please dum me down. I don't know what
30:23
Speaker 2: you just said. What grind it down?
30:26
Speaker 1: For what test? What?
30:28
Speaker 6: So when you have no blood left to test from
30:33
Speaker 6: and all you have left is solid organs, you can
30:36
Speaker 6: collect muscle and liver at the time of autopsy that
30:39
Speaker 6: is sent to the toxicology lab and they put it
30:42
Speaker 6: in basically a blender and they make it into like
30:45
Speaker 6: a slurry or a smoothie of this tissue and then
30:51
Speaker 6: that way they're able to extract the liquid to put
30:54
Speaker 6: it into the machines to do the toxicology testing.
30:57
Speaker 1: Because of the toxicology machines.
30:59
Speaker 6: That do the testing can't use solid organs, so it
31:01
Speaker 6: has to be liquefied in some way, and by doing
31:04
Speaker 6: that it takes the process.
31:05
Speaker 2: Now, I just want to digest what you just said.
31:09
Speaker 2: Because of all of the prosecution's investigations I've had, which
31:14
Speaker 2: I can't count, I've never heard it put just quite
31:19
Speaker 2: like that.
31:19
Speaker 1: You're saying that.
31:20
Speaker 2: Celeste liver, her dried up liver, is put in a
31:26
Speaker 2: blender and blended until it's liquefied so that some machine somewhere.
31:38
Speaker 1: Can run a test on it.
31:40
Speaker 2: Correct. Okay, moving forward after Celeste's liver is liquefied in
31:46
Speaker 2: a blender.
31:49
Speaker 1: Then that is put into a what.
31:54
Speaker 6: It depends on the toxicology lab, but they usually use
31:57
Speaker 6: like a GC mass spectrum degree, which is gas chromatography
32:02
Speaker 6: mass spectrometry machine that then can do a look at
32:06
Speaker 6: drug levels within that slurry of tissue.
32:12
Speaker 1: So you use a maspect a mass.
32:14
Speaker 2: Spectometry spectometry to look at.
32:18
Speaker 1: Oh here's another one.
32:19
Speaker 2: If you put a dried organ into the blender as
32:23
Speaker 2: you call it, and you blend it, you still have
32:27
Speaker 2: a dry organ.
32:28
Speaker 1: How does it become liquefied?
32:30
Speaker 6: They add certain fluids to it to make it more liquefied.
32:35
Speaker 6: I don't know specifically what they add, but it's probably
32:38
Speaker 6: normal saline, probably most likely normal saline. So it helps
32:42
Speaker 6: liquefy it and doesn't add to the toxicology or decrease
32:46
Speaker 6: the toxicology.
32:47
Speaker 1: Okay, of course.
32:49
Speaker 2: So that newly formed liquid which is dried liver and
32:55
Speaker 2: saline is put into a mass spect and then you
33:00
Speaker 2: can determine from that in lieu of blood whether there
33:04
Speaker 2: were drugs and Celeste system.
33:07
Speaker 1: Do I have that right?
33:09
Speaker 5: Yes?
33:09
Speaker 1: You do?
33:10
Speaker 2: Okay, you have illuminated a lot. Doctor Kendall Crowns. So
33:16
Speaker 2: you're telling me that, no matter how long the body
33:20
Speaker 2: is there, if you can get a liver or some
33:23
Speaker 2: other organ suitable organ, you can use that to get
33:30
Speaker 2: a tox screen toxicology, right, that's correct, okay. And at
33:38
Speaker 2: the beginning of the outset, you said, did you say
33:40
Speaker 2: eight or eleven weeks to get that tok screen?
33:43
Speaker 5: Back about eight.
33:45
Speaker 6: To ten, but yes, about two and a half months.
33:52
Speaker 2: We know that she was in the trunt on September eight,
33:55
Speaker 2: likely did before then, but the point of September eight
33:59
Speaker 2: is that's.
34:00
Speaker 1: When her body was found.
34:02
Speaker 2: So you've got September, October, October to November. So right
34:06
Speaker 2: now we're at about eight weeks. So you're saying, either
34:11
Speaker 2: now or in the next two weeks there should be
34:12
Speaker 2: a toxicology report. Yes, okay, doctor Kendall Crowns. You heard
34:20
Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall talking about how what if there were
34:24
Speaker 2: sex games, what if there was a strangulation game and
34:26
Speaker 2: asphyxiation game going on? All that evidence on her body,
34:33
Speaker 2: just theoretically, if it existed, is gone because her body
34:39
Speaker 2: has been decomposing for so long in the trunk. Would
34:45
Speaker 2: you expect to find.
34:47
Speaker 1: Bruising would you'd be able to find it. Let's just pretend.
34:51
Speaker 2: Let's just pretend she died on September seven, and she's so.
34:57
Speaker 6: Yes, even though the body is decomposed, you can still
34:59
Speaker 6: find physical evidence like bruising, stab wounds, gunshot wounds, things
35:04
Speaker 6: of that nature. Even if they've completely mummified and their
35:07
Speaker 6: skins hard as a rock or dried hard, you can
35:11
Speaker 6: still notice the wounding patterns. Can still find bruising and
35:15
Speaker 6: then cut into that dried leathery skin, peel it back
35:17
Speaker 6: and find hemorrhage in the subcutaneous tissue or the fat underneath.
35:21
Speaker 6: And the other thing you can look for is fractures
35:23
Speaker 6: of the bones. So even if all the tissue is
35:26
Speaker 6: decomposed away, you can still look at the bones and
35:29
Speaker 6: find fractures.
35:30
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know if I've told you tonight yet,
35:33
Speaker 2: doctor Kendl Crown's, but you're brilliant. But I've got another
35:38
Speaker 2: fact to plug into your equation, Steve Fisher. I just
35:43
Speaker 2: pretended Celeste was dead or killed September seven, But you
35:51
Speaker 2: have information based on you combing the neighborhood to get
35:56
Speaker 2: video and more. You have information that she was in
36:00
Speaker 2: the trunk a lot longer than the day before the
36:02
Speaker 2: car was found.
36:05
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we have a video evidence of the car
36:07
Speaker 4: being mooved, that's about it in July twenty ninth. And
36:10
Speaker 4: even if we didn't have that, we still have the
36:12
Speaker 4: parking enforcement officers that took photos, you know, going back
36:18
Speaker 4: two weeks before the car was towed, So she was
36:21
Speaker 4: in that for quite a while, but before definitely on
36:25
Speaker 4: or before July twenty ninth.
36:27
Speaker 2: Well, I'm telling you, I believe that that's her in
36:30
Speaker 2: that photo that we have found at a D four
36:34
Speaker 2: VD concert August the fourth. Trade make got to Luke
36:37
Speaker 2: Kenton joining US senior investigator Reporter. Dailymail dot Com has
36:41
Speaker 2: been on the story from the beginning.
36:43
Speaker 1: I know you're familiar with the.
36:44
Speaker 2: August fourth photo with either Celest or a Celeste look
36:48
Speaker 2: alike wearing her jeans at her black tube top up
36:52
Speaker 2: in the balcony that is reserved for friends and family
36:55
Speaker 2: of D four VD aka David Anthony Burke. That was
36:59
Speaker 2: August the fourth, Was it not, Luke Canton?
37:02
Speaker 1: It was August the fourth.
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Speaker 7: Yes, the investigation that was done around that video, it
37:10
Speaker 7: was claimed at least that that wasn't Celeste depicted. We
37:13
Speaker 7: know David hung out with a number of other individuals
37:16
Speaker 7: who bear some slight resemblance to Celeste. But on the
37:20
Speaker 7: subject of last known contact, a couple of sources close
37:26
Speaker 7: to Celesti who went to school with Celeste, said that
37:29
Speaker 7: even though she was missing for you know, a year
37:31
Speaker 7: or so, she continued contact with friends, and that contact
37:36
Speaker 7: cut in either late June or early July. It's my
37:41
Speaker 7: understanding that those that form of contact was message based,
37:44
Speaker 7: so there's no way of verifying who was sending those messages.
37:48
Speaker 7: But her phone was at least active until that point, according.
37:51
Speaker 1: To Crime Stories with Naty Grace, So Luke Kenton.
38:05
Speaker 2: That's really interesting and not just interesting, it could be probative.
38:09
Speaker 2: You're saying that her friends, her old friends before David
38:13
Speaker 2: Anthony Burke quit hearing from her at the latest in
38:18
Speaker 2: did you say mid July?
38:20
Speaker 7: It was late June to very early July, is what
38:24
Speaker 7: I was.
38:24
Speaker 1: Totally one mm hmm.
38:28
Speaker 2: Now regarding that video, the video that was turned into
38:34
Speaker 2: an ISO isolated photo of whom many believed to be
38:38
Speaker 2: Celeste in that special Friends and Family booth above D
38:42
Speaker 2: four VD, David Anthony Burke, you said, some people are
38:47
Speaker 2: saying that's not Celeste.
38:50
Speaker 1: Who is saying that's not Celeste.
38:54
Speaker 7: That was actually reported I believe by TMZ, And the
38:58
Speaker 7: information that came from that report was that it was
39:03
Speaker 7: individuals close to the individual, individuals with knowledge of the
39:07
Speaker 7: matter said it wasn't Celeste. I haven't been able to
39:10
Speaker 7: verify personally one way or the other, but I agree
39:13
Speaker 7: with either she certainly, Yeah, she certainly resembles Celeste. But again,
39:18
Speaker 7: there are a few people in and around that circle
39:20
Speaker 7: that do that of Hispanic heritage and do slightly his
39:25
Speaker 7: own Celeste in some way.
39:28
Speaker 2: Canton, you're saying that people close to d four VD,
39:31
Speaker 2: David Anthony Brooke, he calls that David.
39:33
Speaker 1: People close to Brooke say, oh no, that's not her.
39:37
Speaker 1: Is that correct?
39:39
Speaker 7: That's my understanding of somebody else's reporting when my retorting
39:44
Speaker 7: is concerned.
39:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.
39:46
Speaker 2: So whenever I put a witness on the stand, I
39:52
Speaker 2: way I judge their credibility, their veracity, I consider the source.
39:57
Speaker 2: So if my source on that is, and I agree
40:00
Speaker 2: with you, Luke, that seems to have come from within defourvd's.
40:06
Speaker 1: Camp, they're going, oh no, that's not her. All right?
40:10
Speaker 2: That and a dollar will buy me a cup of coffee.
40:13
Speaker 2: At McDonald's. I'm not buying what somebody in that camp
40:18
Speaker 2: says no. But we know that, for instance, the FBI,
40:23
Speaker 2: for Pete's sake, Target even has the greatest surveillance video.
40:27
Speaker 2: That video, that photo can be used and enhanced to
40:30
Speaker 2: determine is it really Soleiste?
40:32
Speaker 1: Why do I care this much?
40:34
Speaker 2: Because if it is Celeste that puts her alive on
40:37
Speaker 2: August the fourth, so that weighs into it.
40:40
Speaker 1: What is it?
40:41
Speaker 2: Way into it weighs into what I'm asking Doctor Kendall Crowns.
40:44
Speaker 1: That was a big round about.
40:46
Speaker 2: You have a lot of those in Great Britain, a
40:48
Speaker 2: big round about. Back to doctor Kendall Crowns, if I
40:51
Speaker 2: can place her alive at as Luke was saying at
40:57
Speaker 2: the beginning of July, if she was dead then and
41:02
Speaker 2: that's not Celeste in the balcony, can I get a
41:05
Speaker 2: cod on her body? You said, even a mummy can
41:08
Speaker 2: reveal bruises once you cut into the bruise and look
41:11
Speaker 2: at the subcutaneous tissue. Has a big word for under
41:15
Speaker 2: the skin. Even on a mummy, you can find that.
41:19
Speaker 6: Yes, I mean you can still look at the tissues
41:22
Speaker 6: or the skin surface, even if they're dried and momomified
41:25
Speaker 6: and still find injuries. Gunshot wounds, stab wounds, bruises, all
41:28
Speaker 6: still are there. You just have to kind of change
41:32
Speaker 6: your thinking on what you're looking at because of the
41:35
Speaker 6: decomposition process. If she was still alive in July, that
41:40
Speaker 6: it would be August in early September, she'd only been
41:42
Speaker 6: missing for about a month, or dead about a month.
41:45
Speaker 6: She probably wouldn't even be mammified at that point. She
41:47
Speaker 6: would just probably be bloated green and with skin slippage
41:51
Speaker 6: and stuff oozing out of ivory orifice. But we could
41:54
Speaker 6: still that would even be easier than a mummified body
41:57
Speaker 6: to find the injuries. The problem is actually dismembering could
42:01
Speaker 6: disrupt a lot of the injuries you would be looking for,
42:03
Speaker 6: especially with the strangulation, if they've cut her head off
42:06
Speaker 6: and disrupted all the next musculature.
42:08
Speaker 2: Amidst all of the scientific jargon we're hearing out the
42:12
Speaker 2: medical examiners and the analysis by brilliant psychoanalysts like doctor
42:18
Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall, the news from Luke Kenton Steve Fisher on
42:22
Speaker 2: this from the very beginning, and it seemingly doesn't matter
42:26
Speaker 2: to a lot of people what Fisher has absolutely dug up.
42:30
Speaker 1: That's non refutable.
42:32
Speaker 2: So far, conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories abounding on line as
42:39
Speaker 2: to what really happened.
42:41
Speaker 3: Listen, the David is the last thing is the most
42:45
Speaker 3: obvious Hollywood satanic ritual I've ever seen.
42:50
Speaker 2: That actually hurt in my ear. My ears are bleeding,
42:53
Speaker 2: and that is from at.
42:54
Speaker 1: Supreme Tings on TikTok. There's more. Listen, I'm gonna be honest,
43:00
Speaker 1: said David.
43:02
Speaker 5: Situation is all of pureston.
43:04
Speaker 1: Okay, you guys are all falling for him.
43:07
Speaker 10: Do you not notice all of us literally singing.
43:09
Speaker 5: In the back of my mind like bo it's a
43:11
Speaker 5: literal p orson hed number.
43:13
Speaker 1: One on iTunes. Okay, he lost me with the Kreuella
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Speaker 1: hair right there. I'm out. No, I'm not putting him on.
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Speaker 2: The stand with another crazy theory, and that is from
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Speaker 2: at Light l I G H. T. Sun Zaye on TikTok.
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Speaker 2: These conspiracy theories are as old as time.
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Speaker 1: Are they real?
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Speaker 2: No? But if you remember the Scott Peterson cases, zany
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Speaker 2: conspiracy theories.
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Speaker 1: Were actually used at trial.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, here's a great one and.
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Speaker 1: J Simpson crazy Zany conspiracy theory.
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Speaker 11: So I without a shadow of a doubt believe that
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Speaker 11: OJ did not kill Nicola Ron but it was his son, Jason.
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Speaker 11: And here's what so evidence wise, there's about fifteen fingerprints
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Speaker 11: they could not trace back to OJ. There was also
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Speaker 11: a cap there that had dog here on it, but
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Speaker 11: OJ didn't own a dog, but Jason did. And pictures
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Speaker 11: have been proven to know that that cap is Jason's.
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Speaker 11: They just failed to get any kind of DNA evidence
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Speaker 11: offa Jason. He's also had a prior aggravated assault with
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Speaker 11: a deadly weapon against one of his.
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Speaker 1: Ex girlfriends, Woman Simpson.
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Speaker 2: The OJ Simpson Ornwell, James Simpson committed double murder. Quit
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Speaker 2: trying to rope in his son, who's outlining his own
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Speaker 2: business the Night of the Murderers. That is from at
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Speaker 2: Zoe underscore germ x. Okay, let's see crazy conspiracy theories
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Speaker 2: that the Fens will absolutely use.
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Speaker 1: How about Brian Coburger. Coburger is innocent. I told you
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Speaker 1: Coburger was innocent.
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Speaker 12: But I called my source one of five, and I asked, so,
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Speaker 12: if I had to prove him innocent.
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Speaker 1: Where would I look? The source said, look, gut ENID
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Speaker 1: touch DNA.
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Speaker 12: Door dasher and the neighbor Enid was never put on
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Speaker 12: the suspect list when he had blood on his door,
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Speaker 12: and he authored those other handles. It was also a
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Speaker 12: known drug house, So only a sophisticated drug ring would
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Speaker 12: you slice and dice like that.
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Speaker 1: So much of that is not true. What not in
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Speaker 1: drug house? What is she saying?
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Speaker 2: That's from Barry's and branches on TikTok zany conspiracy theories
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Speaker 2: that you would think don't amount to a hill of beans,
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Speaker 2: but that can be used by an adroit defense attorney
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Speaker 2: as a matter of fact. Dave Matt Crime Story's investigative
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Speaker 2: reporter who investigated the Delphi double murders with me, wasn't
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Speaker 2: there a zany conspiracy theory that the odnesss killed Libby
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Speaker 2: and Abby.
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Speaker 1: The two little girls found under that.
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Speaker 2: Trestle bridge Oldness that worship for and the other Norse gods.
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Speaker 2: The device actually tried to bring that into evident and
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Speaker 2: the judge stopped them.
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Speaker 10: Remember that they fought hard to get that Odinism brought
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Speaker 10: into this to claim it was a ritualistic killing of
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Speaker 10: Abby and Libby. I mean, it was amazing that we
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Speaker 10: actually had to dig into this and go through just
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Speaker 10: papers and encyclopedias of this odinism, and you know it
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Speaker 10: was just another red herring. But yeah, they tried, and the.
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Speaker 2: Judge complete, they actually tried to use this any conspiracy
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Speaker 2: theory at trial. I mean there's millions of them. Remember
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Speaker 2: when John and A Ramsey was found dead.
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Speaker 1: So many people piled on that it was the brother Burke,
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Speaker 1: who was like this big round day one.
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Speaker 2: I said, it's not Burke. But did that stop the
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Speaker 2: conspiracy theories? And that poor boy was hounded the rest
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Speaker 2: of his life. Now he's a young adult male. But
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Speaker 2: can you imagine the cost the price these conspiracy theories
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Speaker 2: is crazy as they are. Carrie on, Lady Justice, she
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Speaker 2: has to pay the bill for all of that. We
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Speaker 2: are waiting on that cood and we are waiting for
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Speaker 2: justice in the death of a little girl, Celessee Rivas.
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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about her death,
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Speaker 2: please contact LAPD two one three four eight six six
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Speaker 2: eight nine. Zero as of, tonight no one has been
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Speaker 2: named a suspect or even a person of interest in her.
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Speaker 2: Death we remember An american, Hero Officer Rosa, VASQUEZ Us
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Speaker 2: Department Homeland, security killed in the line of duty after
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Speaker 2: seventeen years, service leaving behind her Husband, david and two
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