Latest / Satanic Youth Kenya (SatanYK) / SatanYK EP (LI)- Tributes To The Demented1 by Citizen Texxx (Charles Manson Case, Satanists, The Demented1 Youtube Channel
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Yo, bro, what the fuck, bro? What the fucking shit, bro? Yo, yo,
- 0:06Speaker 1: what the fucking shit?
- 0:27Speaker 2: Welcome back to Satanic Youth Kenya. I'm your host, Satanist
- 0:35Speaker 2: Craig Jamil, with your co-host, Sakpata the Voodoo Doll. And
- 0:43Speaker 2: today's topic will be tributes to the demented one. This
- 0:50Speaker 2: is a YouTube channel, or it was a YouTube channel
- 0:54Speaker 2: that interviewed, video interviewed other Satanists around the world. And
- 1:03Speaker 2: I've been looking around for it. A lot of its video,
- 1:07Speaker 2: a lot of the Demented One channel videos are private. So,
- 1:15Speaker 2: at the moment, it seems like it's hard to obtain
- 1:20Speaker 2: videos and information from the Demented One. And as few
- 1:26Speaker 2: of you might know, these are the kind of shows
- 1:30Speaker 2: that I first had to get them when I knew
- 1:36Speaker 2: other satanists on the social media. And the first time
- 1:40Speaker 2: that I started listening to satanic shows, podcasts, this was
- 1:46Speaker 2: one of them. And It shaped a lot my view
- 1:52Speaker 2: on satanism. It helped me interact with other satanists just
- 1:58Speaker 2: by watching their videos and how they conduct themselves and
- 2:03Speaker 2: how they are talented in their endeavors. So this demented
- 2:12Speaker 2: one channel seems to be private for now. I don't know.
- 2:19Speaker 2: we should also I think also we should contact the
- 2:27Speaker 2: demented one to see if we can obtain some few
- 2:33Speaker 2: episodes from you know I remember in my hard disk
- 2:40Speaker 2: I have a few episodes of the demented one and
- 2:44Speaker 2: today we'll be listening to One of it. And in
- 2:50Speaker 2: this episode of The Demented One, we'll listen to a
- 2:55Speaker 2: moment with George Stimson. And I also transcribed this some
- 3:01Speaker 2: years ago. And you can also find this transcribed version
- 3:07Speaker 2: on Kufo Environment. But wordpress.com, as you know, It's a
- 3:13Speaker 2: website that is managed by Sakopatra the voodoo doll. He's
- 3:18Speaker 2: not only our ghost, he does other things too. Anyway,
- 3:26Speaker 2: let's continue. We will do this episode as a tribute
- 3:32Speaker 2: to the demented one. As I have said, this helped
- 3:38Speaker 2: me in my younger life, in my youth life. When
- 3:43Speaker 2: I was searching information about Satan, it's the real Satan,
- 3:48Speaker 2: it's not the devil worshippers, you know. So, journalists like
- 3:52Speaker 2: this deserve to be given tribute on Satanic Youth Kenya
- 3:59Speaker 2: because we value them. Okay, let's start. A moment with
- 4:06Speaker 2: George Stimson. NB, remember this. This transcribed version of the
- 4:15Speaker 2: demented one interviews cannot capture the visual interaction aspect and
- 4:23Speaker 2: observational cues as the original video interview version presented by
- 4:29Speaker 2: your host texts. Therefore, after you watch, take these as
- 4:35Speaker 2: your guide notes. The pictures and videos belong to the owner,
- 4:41Speaker 2: the demented one. That was what is written on Kufo
- 4:47Speaker 2: Environment WordPress, where the transcribed version is. All right. You
- 4:54Speaker 2: can head there to read it for your own, but
- 4:57Speaker 2: also today we will be going through it. So don't worry, relax,
- 5:02Speaker 2: and let's go through it. Let's join Dex as he
- 5:07Speaker 2: talks with author George Stimson. They discuss George's book called
- 5:14Speaker 2: Goodbye Helter Skelter, the Charles Manson case, George's friendship with
- 5:22Speaker 2: Charles Manson, and much more. For more info on George Stimson,
- 5:31Speaker 2: visit www.goodbyehelter.com. healtherskelter.com Goodbye healtherskelter.com Let's start. Tonight we have
- 5:47Speaker 2: a special guest. He is an author of the book
- 5:52Speaker 2: Goodbye Healtherskelter and founder of podcast Goodbye Healtherskelter. Tell us more.
- 6:02Speaker 2: who you are and where you came from before you
- 6:07Speaker 2: get into the book and podcast. George Stimson said, I
- 6:13Speaker 2: was born in Cincinnati, Ohio in 1954 and went to
- 6:21Speaker 2: school there and ended up doing odd jobs after school.
- 6:27Speaker 2: and college ended up being a writer and funneled on
- 6:32Speaker 2: writing Charles Manson case. I was born in Cincinnati, Ohio
- 6:42Speaker 2: in 1954 and went to school there and ended up
- 6:48Speaker 2: doing odd jobs after school and college ended up being
- 6:53Speaker 2: a writer and funneled on writing Charles Manson's case despite
- 7:00Speaker 2: writing other writings before that. That's my life in 10 seconds.
- 7:06Speaker 2: And then Dex asked him, how did you get involved
- 7:12Speaker 2: in true crime in general? Judge Stimson answered, when I
- 7:18Speaker 2: was a kid in Cincinnati, around 10 or 12 years old,
- 7:23Speaker 2: we had two high-profile crimes serial killer and a family
- 7:29Speaker 2: of three who got brutally murdered and were bought and
- 7:33Speaker 2: sold cases. I saw the effects it hit on the
- 7:38Speaker 2: side of the city. It went into a panic mode
- 7:43Speaker 2: and so I was very impressed at a young age
- 7:46Speaker 2: because at that age the kind of things never happened.
- 7:51Speaker 2: People never went around killing each other but they did.
- 7:56Speaker 2: It imprinted me to get into that case and interest
- 8:03Speaker 2: in true crime generally. Then got into Charles Manson's case,
- 8:10Speaker 2: which is an interesting case. Then one thing led to another.
- 8:15Speaker 2: I read Helter Skelter but still didn't believe it. So
- 8:20Speaker 2: I started looking into it more and more to find
- 8:25Speaker 2: an alternative reason for those murders that would satisfy my
- 8:31Speaker 2: mind and that makes sense. I think I did it
- 8:36Speaker 2: very well and tried to express it in my book.
- 8:41Speaker 2: Dex asked me, Speaking of Manson's case, what drove you
- 8:49Speaker 2: into it? Judge Dimson answered, Well, I kept looking more
- 8:56Speaker 2: and more into the case and as I did, I
- 8:59Speaker 2: got hooked up with people who knew Manson and visited
- 9:04Speaker 2: them and were able to know them. They saw I
- 9:09Speaker 2: was serious and they basically introduced me to him. I
- 9:14Speaker 2: started corresponding with him and other people he knew, Sandra
- 9:19Speaker 2: Good and Lynette Alice. I moved out of California, then
- 9:25Speaker 2: started visiting him in California State Prison, Kokorong State, for
- 9:33Speaker 2: a little over ten years. Dext's aunts asked him, I
- 9:40Speaker 2: was born in 1984. and I didn't know anything about
- 9:46Speaker 2: Manson and Helter Skelter. Every time I hear this guy
- 9:51Speaker 2: who killed all those people and all that silly stories.
- 9:56Speaker 2: So the older I got, I picked up Helter's and
- 10:01Speaker 2: read it. Even then, some things didn't make any sense,
- 10:06Speaker 2: but didn't know any scenario to the case. When you
- 10:12Speaker 2: picked up Elder Skelter, what's your thoughts and take away
- 10:15Speaker 2: from it? Judge Dimson answered, There were two things I
- 10:22Speaker 2: didn't find appealing. First, you had to do what this
- 10:27Speaker 2: fellow told you to do without question. I didn't go
- 10:32Speaker 2: along with that. Second, helped Skelter's scenario tries to start
- 10:38Speaker 2: a race war is grueling. But everything else is appealing
- 10:45Speaker 2: to me. A lot of people who wrote and read
- 10:48Speaker 2: the book had no experience about counter-culture with drugs and
- 10:56Speaker 2: alternative ways of thinking and living. It was appealing to
- 11:01Speaker 2: me because I grew up in that millennium. Texts asked him,
- 11:09Speaker 2: Is there one particular thing that sets you back that
- 11:14Speaker 2: doesn't make sense in the Helter Skelter book? Judge Dimson
- 11:20Speaker 2: When you read any book and if it's the only
- 11:26Speaker 2: thing you read about the case, it's going to make
- 11:29Speaker 2: sense to you and it's going to flow nicely and
- 11:33Speaker 2: have a beginning and a middle and an end to
- 11:37Speaker 2: make sense. And you go, oh, yeah, sure. But it
- 11:43Speaker 2: was only when I started reading other books like Susan
- 11:47Speaker 2: Atkins where she said that the motive wasn't Helter Skelter.
- 11:53Speaker 2: I thought, well, that's certainly strange because according to the DEA,
- 12:00Speaker 2: it was, and everybody else says it was. Well, if
- 12:06Speaker 2: she says it's not, why is she saying that? And
- 12:11Speaker 2: what did she say the other motives was? And that
- 12:17Speaker 2: is worth looking into Perhaps was it the other motive?
- 12:22Speaker 2: And it turns out, in my view, it was. Which
- 12:26Speaker 2: was so? Which was to commit copycat murders to get
- 12:31Speaker 2: Bobby Bosley out of prison? Dex asked him. Well, speaking
- 12:41Speaker 2: of Helter Skelter, Vincent Bagliosi, In your research and thoughts,
- 12:50Speaker 2: who is Vincent Bagliosi? Judge Dimson answered, he is a DEA.
- 13:02Speaker 2: He is very ambitious. He is very good at what
- 13:06Speaker 2: he did. I do not have too much thought about
- 13:10Speaker 2: him beyond how he behaved in the trial and how
- 13:14Speaker 2: he treated Charlie and all the other people. I know
- 13:20Speaker 2: he's got a lot of other things going on in
- 13:24Speaker 2: his life that particularly interest me, although they do reflect
- 13:30Speaker 2: on his character as far as honesty and his behaviour.
- 13:35Speaker 2: He is a DEA and they handed him a very
- 13:39Speaker 2: dirty case and he made the most of it. He
- 13:44Speaker 2: had to come up with something that made Charlie look
- 13:48Speaker 2: guilty and he managed to do it and convinced the jury.
- 13:55Speaker 2: I don't know how much he had to do to
- 13:58Speaker 2: convince the jury since Manson was convicted since the second
- 14:05Speaker 2: He was arrested and appeared in the paper. He was done.
- 14:11Speaker 2: He was finished. Tex asked, I know some people think
- 14:17Speaker 2: Vincent Bagliosi is a great prosecutor and all of that,
- 14:23Speaker 2: but with the trial Manson did it have, with the
- 14:28Speaker 2: Manson trial, Manson didn't have a defense. always thought that
- 14:36Speaker 2: was strange and Judge Stimson answered Manson was not allowed
- 14:44Speaker 2: to put on a defense and that was always Charlie's
- 14:49Speaker 2: biggest grip was that he was never allowed to have
- 14:57Speaker 2: his rights under the Sixth Amendment of being able to
- 15:02Speaker 2: represent himself in court and put on his own case.
- 15:08Speaker 2: You can consider the whole conviction was illegal because his
- 15:13Speaker 2: rights were denied. He spent years trying to overturn that
- 15:18Speaker 2: which with no success, obviously. When you look at any
- 15:24Speaker 2: other defendant They have all been allowed to defend themselves
- 15:30Speaker 2: no matter how crazy they might appear. They made an
- 15:34Speaker 2: exception on him because they were afraid he would win
- 15:41Speaker 2: and he would get off. Tex asked if it was
- 15:46Speaker 2: today that ruling would be overturned. Speaking of Charlie, how
- 15:52Speaker 2: did you get involved with Charlie and Alex? You know,
- 15:57Speaker 2: you now became friends? Judge Dimson answered. I started writing
- 16:03Speaker 2: to him, corresponding with him and sending him pictures. I
- 16:09Speaker 2: lived out in the desert in Death Valley where he lived.
- 16:14Speaker 2: So I had lots of pictures of things to send him.
- 16:20Speaker 2: I got to know Sandra Good and she put in
- 16:23Speaker 2: good work for me and Nicholas Shrek put in good
- 16:31Speaker 2: work for me as far as getting my foot in
- 16:35Speaker 2: the door. If you win, I kept being persistent and
- 16:42Speaker 2: asked Nicholas Shrek and Sandra Good urging to send me
- 16:48Speaker 2: a visiting form and he did and I filled it
- 16:53Speaker 2: out and sent it in and I got accepted as
- 16:57Speaker 2: a visitor. I couldn't pass that up so I had
- 17:02Speaker 2: to make a special trip out to California to go
- 17:07Speaker 2: see him and from there on I just kept on
- 17:11Speaker 2: visiting him after I moved out of California. He decided
- 17:16Speaker 2: he was going to visit me, and I was going
- 17:20Speaker 2: to visit him. Tex asked, Did you correspond with him
- 17:29Speaker 2: quite a bit on the phone? Judge Stimson answered, Yes,
- 17:36Speaker 2: I corresponded with them hundreds of letters and hundreds of
- 17:41Speaker 2: phone calls, almost two hundred. physics incorporated. Dex asked, the
- 17:51Speaker 2: book Goodbye Elder Skelter, how did all of that come
- 17:56Speaker 2: to be? Judge Stimson answered, I wanted an alternative version
- 18:03Speaker 2: of things and I kept thinking about it and I
- 18:08Speaker 2: had just written a Cincinnati crime book. and i was
- 18:12Speaker 2: finished with that i published it i wanted to write
- 18:17Speaker 2: a book about charles charlie's case and the more i
- 18:21Speaker 2: looked into it the more i found the materials that
- 18:26Speaker 2: would make a good book i had i had hours
- 18:31Speaker 2: of deep telephone conversations with him that I could use
- 18:35Speaker 2: for exclusive quotes from him because the most important thing
- 18:41Speaker 2: when I am dealing with writing about people is to
- 18:47Speaker 2: let them speak for themselves. I did a lot of
- 18:52Speaker 2: research in the law, liberally, to find out about the
- 18:57Speaker 2: law And it was very interesting. Tex asked, Did you
- 19:05Speaker 2: get any backlash from the book when it came out?
- 19:10Speaker 2: Anything negative? Tex asked, Did you get any backlash from
- 19:21Speaker 2: the book when it came out? Anything negative or anything
- 19:27Speaker 2: with your text? On the case, Judge Dimson answered, I've
- 19:33Speaker 2: gotten some negative reviews. I would have to honestly say
- 19:38Speaker 2: that 95% of the reaction has been positive and not
- 19:42Speaker 2: the 5% that have been negative. There's not a whole
- 19:49Speaker 2: lot of things... behind it, not a whole of logic
- 19:53Speaker 2: behind it. It's just people saying and telling me that
- 19:57Speaker 2: I am crazy. I had a prosecutor commented on some
- 20:03Speaker 2: of my legal conclusions and he just said I had
- 20:07Speaker 2: no grip With reality, he could not counter any of
- 20:13Speaker 2: the specific legal points I made in the book. So far,
- 20:18Speaker 2: so good. And then Dex asked him, How many years
- 20:24Speaker 2: of research did you do for the book? Judge Stimson answered,
- 20:32Speaker 2: If I count all the times that I was interested
- 20:35Speaker 2: in them, I would say I did it off and on.
- 20:40Speaker 2: I wasn't doing it full time. But I was interested
- 20:44Speaker 2: in the case in 1976. And I started writing the
- 20:47Speaker 2: book in 1996. And I started writing the book in 1996.
- 21:06Speaker 2: So that would be almost 20 years of reading everything
- 21:11Speaker 2: I could. Going wherever I could. I tried to go
- 21:18Speaker 2: to as many of the locations related to the case
- 21:22Speaker 2: as I could. Out in the desert. In LA. And
- 21:28Speaker 2: met as many people as I could. It takes a
- 21:32Speaker 2: while when you are doing it. in your spare time
- 21:37Speaker 2: but I just keep on going and going so it
- 21:41Speaker 2: wasn't something that I ever lost interest in or pulled
- 21:46Speaker 2: down it was always there Dex asked him would you
- 21:54Speaker 2: ever contact Charlie and ask him hey what about this
- 21:59Speaker 2: or anything as he was writing the book Judge Gibson answered, yes,
- 22:08Speaker 2: I did. I would ask him questions and, you know,
- 22:13Speaker 2: I say in the book, I asked him about this
- 22:16Speaker 2: or that. Most of the time I was with Charlie.
- 22:21Speaker 2: We were doing things in the present. I didn't really
- 22:25Speaker 2: approach our relationship as I'm interviewing you for a book.
- 22:31Speaker 2: I was actually approaching a relationship as to what could
- 22:35Speaker 2: I do for you. I asked him a question about
- 22:43Speaker 2: Gary Hillman. For shortish here, I would go ahead and
- 22:49Speaker 2: do that, but it wasn't the focal point of our relationship.
- 22:56Speaker 2: We were not spending too much time in the past.
- 23:00Speaker 2: We were too busy doing things in the now. Dex asked,
- 23:06Speaker 2: What were Manson's thoughts.
- 23:09Speaker 1: On the book?
- 23:10Speaker 2: Did he read it or anything like that? George Stimson answered,
- 23:17Speaker 2: When I first got the book from the printer, I
- 23:20Speaker 2: sent him a copy. I don't know it even. He
- 23:25Speaker 2: got it then. I think they were holding it back
- 23:29Speaker 2: from him for a while. So eventually I ordered him
- 23:33Speaker 2: one through Amazon that I know he got. I never
- 23:38Speaker 2: actually spoke to him about the book because there were
- 23:43Speaker 2: times I was not allowed to speak to him because
- 23:47Speaker 2: the government wouldn't let me. That's a totally different story
- 23:52Speaker 2: but I know he didn't dislike the book because I'm
- 23:56Speaker 2: sure if he had, I certainly would have heard about it.
- 24:02Speaker 2: Dex asked, I did hear in one interview you were
- 24:07Speaker 2: talking a little bit about you had to choose between
- 24:12Speaker 2: talking to Charlie or Lynette. Could you talk about that
- 24:17Speaker 2: a little? George Stimson answered, I will try. I will
- 24:23Speaker 2: tell you, Lynette got released from prison, I believe in 2009.
- 24:30Speaker 2: And I'd been speaking to her on the phone for
- 24:33Speaker 2: years before that. But the problem was, one of the
- 24:38Speaker 2: conditions for her release was that she was not supposed
- 24:43Speaker 2: to have any connection with Manson or the people connected
- 24:47Speaker 2: with Manson. So that was the conditions for her parole
- 24:54Speaker 2: so I could decide then at the time I wasn't
- 24:59Speaker 2: talking to Charlie for various reasons and she was interested
- 25:05Speaker 2: in putting her book out I thought if I had
- 25:09Speaker 2: to make a choice between talking to Lynette and helping
- 25:14Speaker 2: her out her book and talking to Charlie who had
- 25:23Speaker 2: people doing things for him, he was in pretty good
- 25:27Speaker 2: shape without me. And so I made the decision that
- 25:31Speaker 2: if I had to choose, I talked to Lynette so
- 25:36Speaker 2: we could get something done. But after a while she said,
- 25:41Speaker 2: talk to anybody you want to. And I started talking
- 25:46Speaker 2: to him again and nothing ever happened. There was no
- 25:51Speaker 2: revolution or anything. Dex asked. She couldn't have no contact
- 25:59Speaker 2: with Manchon or anything. Was it, I guess, because they
- 26:05Speaker 2: thought that he was this mind? The way they always
- 26:12Speaker 2: betray him. Is that why? Judge Dimson answered. It's not
- 26:19Speaker 2: so much what they thought. They were afraid of what
- 26:24Speaker 2: the public would think. It's all about public perception. They
- 26:29Speaker 2: didn't want there to be a public perception that there
- 26:35Speaker 2: was this reuniting of the mansion family. So, you know,
- 26:43Speaker 2: Any other inmate, certainly in the later years of his life,
- 26:48Speaker 2: would be allowed to talk on the phone to somebody
- 26:52Speaker 2: that he had known for over 50 years. But in
- 26:57Speaker 2: this case, they say, you can't talk to her. You
- 27:01Speaker 2: can't talk to this person. They really cut him off.
- 27:05Speaker 2: They cut all the people off, really. I mean, part
- 27:10Speaker 2: of the big reason that some of the original girls
- 27:14Speaker 2: turned against him because they said, if you talk to him,
- 27:19Speaker 2: you are never going to get out. So they put
- 27:22Speaker 2: up all kinds of barriers between people that they wouldn't
- 27:26Speaker 2: do to normal people. And I'm sure it wouldn't have
- 27:31Speaker 2: been legal because I'm a free citizen with no criminal
- 27:35Speaker 2: record whatsoever. I couldn't take to whomever I wanted. I
- 27:41Speaker 2: could talk to whomever I wanted to, I thought. Tex asked, Wow,
- 27:48Speaker 2: I know you wrote the book and now you have
- 27:51Speaker 2: started a podcast called Goodbye Helter Skelter. What's your thought
- 27:56Speaker 2: and the reason behind the podcast? Is it just to
- 28:01Speaker 2: get more of the book out? Or, Judge Dimso answered,
- 28:07Speaker 2: they are It's both. The podcast and the book are
- 28:11Speaker 2: to get out the idea. They are instruments to get
- 28:15Speaker 2: out the idea, this alternate look at the case. They
- 28:23Speaker 2: are instruments to get out the idea, this alternate look
- 28:27Speaker 2: at the case. You know, I make legal arguments that
- 28:32Speaker 2: basically the helter-skelter motive was the only thing dying journey
- 28:39Speaker 2: to those crimes as far as intent, which is a
- 28:43Speaker 2: legal requirement that you need to get a murder conviction.
- 28:49Speaker 2: You have to prove that the person had intent. Another way,
- 28:54Speaker 2: or how they put it, and so that if you
- 28:59Speaker 2: remove the helter-skelter motive that they were desperately seeking and
- 29:05Speaker 2: burglarizing spends pages and pages saying how are we going
- 29:11Speaker 2: to die mansions to this murder we have got no
- 29:15Speaker 2: motive so if you present an alternative motive that removes
- 29:21Speaker 2: that element of intent then the murder conviction shouldn't have
- 29:26Speaker 2: stood at the time it was a done deal and
- 29:30Speaker 2: the jury was going to do whatever they were going
- 29:34Speaker 2: to convict all those people, no matter what. I mean
- 29:39Speaker 2: the girls actually killed people, but Charlie didn't.
- 29:56Speaker 1: Continue, continue.
- 30:05Speaker 2: The interview keeps going on and on and on and
- 30:11Speaker 2: you can find the whole transcript version on kufoenvironment.wordpress.com Until
- 30:22Speaker 2: next time, tributes to the demented one and hail the
- 30:29Speaker 2: demented one for giving us this kind of information and
- 30:35Speaker 2: knowledge that I've been guiding somebody like me in my
- 30:41Speaker 2: search for satanism and other satanists on the web. Alright? So,
- 30:49Speaker 2: for this, hail the demented one and hail your host, Dex.
- 31:00Speaker 2: Until next time, I'm your host, Saturnist Craig Jamin, with
- 31:09Speaker 2: your co-host, Sakbata the Voodoo Doll. Hail Saturn! If it's rainin',.
- 31:28Speaker 1: Then I'm on it. If it's rainin', I don't need it.
- 31:36Speaker 1: If it's hot, then I crave it. If it's bad,
- 31:44Speaker 1: you can't save it. Now my mama told me, mama,
- 31:47Speaker 1: if you don't do it, I won't. And I won't
- 31:51Speaker 1: do it.