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Pushing Forwards With JOE BUTCHER & JACK CUMES From WOLF & CHAIN · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  The night is learning. The reefside is yarning can only be yelled in the
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  darkness for soul Elsewhere the play Banel also Playsican Cool. I'm Jack. I
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  sing in the band and I write songs as well, and yeah Joe,
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  Yeah I'm Joe. I play guitar in the band and a little bit of
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  backing vocals here and there, and yeah, beautiful cons thanks for joining us
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  tonight, no worries, thanks for having us, Thanks for having Let's just
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  so from China. Just finished off that East Coast is stry and troll with
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  Tapestry going. So how the shows go? Yeah, super cool. Yeah,
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  a bunch of people came out to see us. It's you know,
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  always great and like Tapestry, those guys are you know, super amazing live.
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  So it was it was amazing just to like, yeah, get to
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  see them and sort of like, yeah, just learn off of them a
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  bit as well, and like it was really cool as well. Melbourne felt
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  like a big step up from when we usually played, Like I think Melbourne
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  can be a bit like hit or miss for us. We sometimes were you
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  know, we've only played there a few times, but this last year that
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  we played, Yeah, we had a great time. There was heaps of
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  people and yeah, it was a really really good sort of wrap up to
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  the end of the tour as well. So now I think we all feel
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  pretty toughed about it, very cool. The tour was to promote the single
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  Not Giving Up, which was released on March of twenty eight, So you
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  obviously played that song live, so he now, did it go down good?
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  I mean, like we were onto its tapestry and am PM, so
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  that's you know, it was a part of that, but it was it
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  was, Yeah, obviously we're promoting our single as we're getting out there and
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  we're playing it, but it went down well. I think, like we
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  always have a good time playing it, and yeah, like we've worked really
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  hard on that song. It like was a bit of a process getting it
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  to where it was, so I think whenever we play it live we feel
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  pretty good about it. Now we're just sort of like happy that it's like
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  had this journey, you know. Lyrically, the track portrays like the dark
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  version of a person as opposed to the lighter side. Like that's very loosely
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  what it's about, guys, but it's sort of us were wolves as a
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  metaphor, so can you elaborate on what you've done there? Sounds pretty interesting?
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  Oh yeah, Like in the lyrics, it's sort of like a I
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  guess, like I say, like a light metaphor, Like I'm sort of
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  just sort of talking to you a bit of that imagery and using that as,
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  yeah, sort of a metaphor for some of those you know, flip
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  switches and personality and things like that. So yeah, I think it's just
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  something that I've always gravitated to, just being into horror movies and sort of
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  gothic aesthetic and things like that. Yeah, and there's a little nod to
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  that in the music video as well, where we have like a wolf character,
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  but it's sort of more based off of things from like The Shining or
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  like Donnie Darker, where you have like these sort of Garris looking first suits
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  and it's a bit horrific in that sense. But yeah, what did actually
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  take me into the music video a bit deeper, guys, because it's pretty
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  special does pay homage of those movies, like you say, but Johnny Darko
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  is probably one of my favorite movies of all time, and so good on
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  yous for recognizing that and check it out in the video. Yeah, hell,
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  yeah, no, A big fan of it. Yeah, and I
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  just love that all that imagery is obviously great, and like we had like
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  access to this theater, the Capri Theater, which is a really cool old
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  theater, and I just thought like, oh, it'd be so cool to
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  like do a video like that and get all these cool sort of like dreary
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  shots. And you know, obviously the video was for not giving up,
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  so like it had a bit of a meaning to it that we could sort
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  of relate to get there, So yeah, we went for it. Was
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  cool. We had a lot of fun filming some of the like the Shenanigans
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  in there, Like filming the kids on the bicycles was a bit hilarious.
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  We got to like put our filmmaker in the in the back of the car,
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  like putting it through the window, and they were like driving doing some
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  slightly dodgy shots there. Yeah, it's side streets that night, But it
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  was really absolutely speaking of the imagery, Like, you guys use a lot
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  of imagery with your with your music, I guess, and and it carries
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  on to your to your music videos. So is that just coincidence that they
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  go together so well or in the writing process. Do you put yourself in
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  those sort of dark places and write it with a view of being able to
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  maybe do that later on down the track. Yeah, I think there's so
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  like it's sort of different per song. Like sometimes you'll get like inspired by,
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  you know, an image or something like that, and that might inspire
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  you to write a certain thing right in a certain mood. But I think
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  a lot of time I write with sort of like an intention of like what
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  I want to say, and I guess, like there is imagery is always
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  going to be some sort of extension of that in one way or another,
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  whether it's a metaphor or it's like, yeah, something else. So yeah,
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  I think I'm always very visually conscious with the band. I think that's
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  a really cool element. And I think I think every great band has some
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  sort of visual extension that yeah, obviously extends it and you know, promotes
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  the art forward. And not Giving Up is your first release for twenty twenty
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  four guys, So is it a standalone song or is it part of a
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  bigger picture down the track? It's a standalone song, but like there definitely
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  is a bigger picture down down the road. You know, there's lots of
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  things that we're working on at the moment. But yeah, there's definitely something
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  big that we're working towards, and yeah there should be something soon hopefully.
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  But yeah, you're not getting give to that at all, I am.
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  Yeah, I mean we can at the moment, all right, keep you
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  here out not give it up. Sort of draws strong parallels to music from
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  the two thousands, such as Mike before Romance and Panic at the Disco.
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  So is that is that a direction you're going to sort of stick to when
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  it comes to write new music. I think obviously, like we're always like
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  we've been inspired by those things and like that's stuff that we grew up on,
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  and like that's always going to have some sort of effect on us.
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  But I think what we're working on next is definitely something quite different, and
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  I think we really want to push ourselves and make sure that we're growing as
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  a band and maturing and really making sure that we're trying to do something different
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  and yeah, just make something special. So I would just say, if
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  you're going to expect anything from us next, would be expect something different.
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  Yeah, very cool. So you're released your debut Weep and Honest Mistake back
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  in twenty twenty, So it's only four years ago, guys, but you've
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  had a few songs house you send. So how would you say to your
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  music sort of changed and grown over that that period of time. Uh.
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  Yeah, Like I said, we sort of just have been pushing ourselves to
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  work with different people as well, and just of really working on songwriting and
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  figuring out what is our sound and you know, what our influences are exactly
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  and what we want to bring to the table. And obviously when there's like
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  a bunch of people involved, you have to sort of go through them,
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  yeah, the process and figure that out. So there was Yeah, obviously
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  there's a development with the sound. I think that's a great thing that you
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  can see in bands. It's like this growth and this change and see yeah,
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  see that it can start here somewhere small and grow to something large.
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  But yeah, yeah, I think that's been the most like important factor in
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  like our musical development. I think has been like doing the first EP,
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  second EP, kind of working mostly on our own and like trying to develop
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  our stuff there. But then with the last few singles, we've been working
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  with some other people and that's been like like even like like a year before
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  that was like working with someone to to just write songs together, and that
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  was such a like a challenging and rewarding experience because it's like relinquishing a bit
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  of control to like try out all these ideas that someone has like come from
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  a whole different background to give to you. But it's been really rewarding because
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  like after the like awkward bickering stages, you get to like a really cool
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  product at the end. Yeah, along those lines, guys like would you
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  say that, because you, guys are still a relatively young man, Like,
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  would you say that orphin chain about your own distinct sound yet or are
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  you still experimenting it and finding a musical identity in a sense? I think
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  I think we're close, Like I feel like the thing is. Yeah,
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  with all of that, we really want to sort of spend this next period
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  of time figuring, yeah, really honing in what that is. And I
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  think the next thing that we put out will be more definitively us than anything
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  thus far. So Yeah, I think that's sort of the goal for the
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  moment. And yeah, I just think that's just going to be a really
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  exciting thing to see. And yeah, the future very call Now what I
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  need to just come off for runner shows. But I believe you've got something
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  happening. It's Friday, which means I can have to rush and get this
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  credit up before the weekend. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, Yeah,
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  this Friday we're opening for Ocean Sleeper, Little Otis and Deficit at Line Arts
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  Factory, and that one has sold out. So yes, very excited for
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  that. That's going to be a freaking six show. Yeah, guys,
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  Oh, congratulations. Sounds like he's a kicking some major goals going. So
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  I'll look forward here and what you come up in the future. But in
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  the meantime, take care and keep having fun. The night is growning.
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