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The Kenny Report | 26 January · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me, and Happy Australia Day tonight. Hatred
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Speaker 2: on our streets while most of the countries at the
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Speaker 2: beach or having a barbie. Liberals pondering their leadership options
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Speaker 2: as Andrew Hasty seems set for a tilt at the
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Speaker 2: top job.
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Speaker 1: Just center Namper Chiper Price joins me.
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Speaker 2: The Australia Day Honors, and a nuclear science expert and
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Speaker 2: nuclear energy advocate that we've spoken to many times gets
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Speaker 2: a gong. Adie Patterson will join me as well. The
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Speaker 2: super progressive movie One Nation's feature length fight Back against
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Speaker 2: the Woke hits the airwaves.
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Speaker 1: Mark Nicholson will tell us all about that.
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Speaker 2: All that plus Jemberton Yueni and Caroline derusso let's get cracking.
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Speaker 2: There's a few reasons I don't like the protests on
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Speaker 2: Australia Day. First off, there un Australia. The whole idea
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Speaker 2: of Australia is that we create this free, robust democracy
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Speaker 2: on this great continent and we share.
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Speaker 1: It and we enjoy it and everyone's given a fair go.
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Speaker 2: But these protests tell us that the place is built
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Speaker 2: on genocide, and that Australia is an ongoing crime, and
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Speaker 2: that even after Marbo and the Native title legislation and
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Speaker 2: all that's been done in indigenous affairs, apparently we should
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Speaker 2: give all the land back.
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Speaker 1: I reckon.
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Speaker 2: Those protesters who own homes are free to give their
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Speaker 2: bits of land back. They can give it to whoever
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Speaker 2: they like. But of course they don't. And if you
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Speaker 2: wonder how hateful these protests can be, you only had
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Speaker 2: to listen today as some of the protesters, according to
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Speaker 2: a number of reports, chanted for into Farda.
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Speaker 1: Can you believe it?
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Speaker 2: There were Palestinian flags and scarves and chants of from
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Speaker 2: the river to the sea, and even apparently for intero Farda.
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Speaker 2: Just weeks after the worst terrorist attack on Australian soil,
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Speaker 2: when into Farda came to Bondi Beach and kill fifteen
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Speaker 2: innocent people, we have protesters on our streets chanting for interfada. Incomprehensible,
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Speaker 2: isn't it. But they're here, living among us. The other
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Speaker 2: reason I don't like these protests is that they they're
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Speaker 2: inconvenient for other Australians.
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Speaker 1: People who just want to get around the city.
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Speaker 2: Or enjoy it with their kids are blocked from doing so,
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Speaker 2: and legions of police officers who might otherwise enjoy a
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Speaker 2: long weekend are called in to try to prevent trouble,
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Speaker 2: and they also inspire protests in support of Australia Day
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Speaker 2: and other jingoistic displays of patriotism as people try to
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Speaker 2: fight back against all the hate and the self flagellation.
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Speaker 2: In fact, in one of these marchs for Australia protests
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Speaker 2: in Sydney today, someone was arrested by the police for
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Speaker 2: saying that the Jews are the greatest enemy of our nation.
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Speaker 1: So there you get it.
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Speaker 2: You get this anti semitism from the far left and
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Speaker 2: from the far right. And the trouble with all these
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Speaker 2: competing protests, of course, is our normal patriotism, which is
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Speaker 2: super low key and relaxed. Well, we normally just have
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Speaker 2: a relaxed long weekend and rather than talk about it,
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Speaker 2: we just live the brilliant life that Australia has given us.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's all gone.
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Speaker 2: Australia Day is always a big kerfuffle now.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty tiresome, especially.
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Speaker 2: Given that the vast majority of us reckon that Australia
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Speaker 2: is great. And that's precisely why so many people still
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Speaker 2: want to come here from all over the world. Wouldn't
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Speaker 2: it be easier if all those who hate Australia went
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Speaker 2: off in search of somewhere better. Let me share with you,
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Speaker 2: just in case you didn't see it in the Weekend Australian.
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Speaker 1: Over the past couple of days, what.
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Speaker 2: I think is the saddest Australia Day photo I've ever seen.
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Speaker 2: This is Mathilda Matilda Bee, as she's become known, the
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Speaker 2: youngest victim of the Bondai massacre. The photo shows Matilda
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Speaker 2: celebrating her last Australia Day with her little sister a
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Speaker 2: year ago. Today, smiling and happy in a T shirt
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Speaker 2: that says bright future and what a bright future it
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Speaker 2: should have been. A bright future dashed by hatred, by
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Speaker 2: violence and protesters today chanted for inter Fada and some
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Speaker 2: other maniacs as dues are the biggest problem for this country.
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Speaker 2: Ignorant and hateful this Australia Day, Let's vow to fight
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Speaker 2: even harder for decency, tolerance and affair go over At
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Speaker 2: the national taxpayer funded broadcaster the ABC, they're in denial
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Speaker 2: about the anti Israel and pro Palestinian stance taken by
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Speaker 2: their leading journalists. The ABC's Global Affair editor Laura tingleed
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Speaker 2: no less and its America's editor John Lyons, and the
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Speaker 2: controversial investigative reporter Luise Milligan, not to mention David ma
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Speaker 2: Annabel Crabb, Jonathan Green and other ABC favorites.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: They were all scheduled to appear at the Adelaide Writers
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Speaker 2: Week this year, but they joined the boycott when the
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Speaker 2: pro Palestinian anti Israeli activist Randa Abdelphutter was uninvited. Now
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Speaker 2: say what you like about free speech, but Abdelphutter's apparent
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Speaker 2: celebration of the slaughter of Israeli's on October the seventh,
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three was beyond the pale.
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Speaker 1: But senior ABC journalists.
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Speaker 2: Dropped out of the Writer's Week in solidarity with her,
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Speaker 2: or apparently not, according to the ABC. In The Australian Today,
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Speaker 2: Steve Jackson reported that, replying to a viewer complaint, ABC
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Speaker 2: editorial director Gavin Wang said, you assertain that John Lyons
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Speaker 2: and Laura Tingle chose to withdraw from the Adelaide Writers
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Speaker 2: Week in the support of doctor Randa Abdelphatta, Yet they
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Speaker 2: misspelled her name and the ABC's Wang went on to say,
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Speaker 2: you provide no evidence of this claim. At no stage
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Speaker 2: neither mister Lyons nor Miss Tingles have made any such suggestion. Honestly,
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Speaker 2: these people withdrew from the event. But now the ABC
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Speaker 2: wants us to believe what exactly that all of a
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Speaker 2: sudden all the ABC personalities had a diary clash. Not
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Speaker 2: only is this organization biased beyond belief, its leadership and
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Speaker 2: staff don't even have the backbone to stand up for
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Speaker 2: whatever values they share. How terribly weak and just on
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Speaker 2: the ABC and this crucial issue. As you know, the
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Speaker 2: public broadcaster has spent years demonizing Israel, running erroneous reports
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Speaker 2: about the guards of war and downplaying antisemitism in Australia,
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Speaker 2: and yesterday they had the Prime Minister on their Sunday
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Speaker 2: Morning politics program. Insiders at our former Sky News colleague,
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Speaker 2: David Spears did not see fit to press Anthony Albanezi
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Speaker 2: on his failure to stand up against antisemitism and Islamis
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Speaker 2: extremism in the more than two years leading up to
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Speaker 2: the Bondai massacre, more than two years of hate preaching,
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Speaker 2: of hateful protests, of threats and of attacks on Jewish businesses, schools, homes,
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Speaker 2: synagogues and childcare centers, more than two years of pleas
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Speaker 2: from the Jewish community and many others for more to
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Speaker 2: be done to stamp out anti Semitism and Islamus extremism,
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Speaker 2: more than two years of the Prime Minister and his
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Speaker 2: government joining in the demoniation of Israel and giving in
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Speaker 2: to the demands of Hamas and other extremist groups. And
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Speaker 2: after all this, the ABC's insiders could not bring themselves
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Speaker 2: to ask a single probing question of the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: about all this and whether he bears any responsibility. Why
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Speaker 2: because the ABC is guilty of the same behavior. Funny
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Speaker 2: how the ABC's culture warriors pretend to stand up for
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Speaker 2: free speech at the Adelaide Writers' Week, but they espouse
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Speaker 2: only groupthink and a single, unanimous green left view of
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Speaker 2: the world on their own platforms, platforms that taxpayers fund
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Speaker 2: on the understanding that they'll be objective. I wonder if
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Speaker 2: any of these people have read the ABC Charter. I
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Speaker 2: wonder if any government will ever enforce it. That'd be
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Speaker 2: a good topic for writers. Wick I said last week
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Speaker 2: that Susan Lee seems to be finished as leader and
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Speaker 2: that the Liberals must be led by a conservative If
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Speaker 2: they're to have any hope of recovering and being an
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Speaker 2: effective opposition and alternative government. All the pointers suggest that
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Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty is getting ready for a tilt at the leadership.
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Speaker 2: There was a well sourced story on the weekend that
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Speaker 2: his family has given him their blessing to take on
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Speaker 2: this duous task. Leading the opposition is hard enough, let
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Speaker 2: alone doing it from Perth with three young children. Angus
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Speaker 2: Taylor is the other obvious leadership option, and today he
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Speaker 2: refused to rule out a challenge.
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Speaker 3: As a member of Shadow Cabinet. I have obligations and
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Speaker 3: I will always honor those obligations as a member of
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Speaker 3: Shadow Cabinet. But I think I hear it today and
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Speaker 3: I hear from colleagues. We have to do better, and
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Speaker 3: that means protecting Australian values, standing out for hart working
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Speaker 3: Australians who want to get ahead, making sure they have.
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Speaker 1: The opportunities they need, protecting us.
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Speaker 3: From the very real threats that we've seen in recent
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Speaker 3: months and that we know are pressure on Australians.
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Speaker 1: They have to do better, all right.
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Speaker 2: And today I spoke with former Front Venture just into
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Speaker 2: Navajimpa Price and she certainly thinks change is necessary.
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Speaker 4: Look, what I'm saying is things need to change and
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Speaker 4: things need to improve going forward. There is no doubt
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Speaker 4: about that, and that is what the Australian people expect
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Speaker 4: from us.
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Speaker 2: I'll have that full interview with just Into navajimper Price
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Speaker 2: later in the program.
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Speaker 1: But just on Andrew Hasty.
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Speaker 2: His critics on the left of politics and on the
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Speaker 2: left wing of the Liberal Party talk about him being
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Speaker 2: too hardline to trumpy, and they say they reckon he's
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Speaker 2: promising Donald Trump's style leadership. Well, he proved them wrong
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Speaker 2: over the past couple of days when he reacted strongly
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Speaker 2: to something. The US President said.
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Speaker 5: We've never needed them, We have never really asked anything
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Speaker 5: of them.
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Speaker 4: You know, they'll see they send some troops to Afghanistan.
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Speaker 1: And they did.
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Speaker 5: They steed a little back, a little off the front lanes.
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Speaker 2: Shocking comment by Trump. Yes, America has sacrificed more than
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Speaker 2: any other country in so many conflicts, as it so
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Speaker 2: often does, but that doesn't give Trump the right to
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Speaker 2: diminish the sacrifice of others. And Andrew Hasty, who risked
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Speaker 2: his own life and lost mates serving in Afghanistan, well
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Speaker 2: he set the president straight.
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Speaker 6: President Trump has claimed that Allied soldiers didn't serve in
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Speaker 6: the front lines in Afghanistan. This is a massive slur
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Speaker 6: not just against Allied troops, but against our Assi diggers
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Speaker 6: who fought, bled and died alongside Americans. One of the
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Speaker 6: most important things in building coalitions and alliance is is
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Speaker 6: mutual respect, and a really important virtue in a leader
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Speaker 6: is restraint. And President Trump, by dumping on Allied troops,
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Speaker 6: has shown either.
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Speaker 2: Now that's telling him hasty, is showing some strong leadership attributes.
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Speaker 1: Stay tuned.
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Speaker 2: Let's now go to Lismore and New South Wales and
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Speaker 2: catch up with the Nationals. Federal Deputy Leader Kevin Hogan,
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Speaker 2: thanks for joining us, Sir, Kevin. You must be very
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Speaker 2: perturbed sitting back and watching the Liberals, wondering whether they're
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Speaker 2: going to descend into turmoil or or perhaps make it
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Speaker 2: fairly quick and clean leadership change.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, look I hope it. You know, whatever happens
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Speaker 5: happens quickly. Chris. I mean, obviously I'm not going to
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Speaker 5: reprosecute this week, but we had a policy difference with them,
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Speaker 5: which unfortunately resolved in US having to resign from Shadow Cabinet.
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Speaker 5: So that's obviously Kirk or some turmoil, but we did
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Speaker 5: that on a principle, on that, on that and on
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Speaker 5: that policy. But Chris, look, every every the best governments
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Speaker 5: in Australia since post World War two have been strong
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Speaker 5: coalition government. So my wish, my will is that the
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Speaker 5: coalition will get back together well before the next election
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Speaker 5: and that we present a real alternative to this terrible
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Speaker 5: labor government.
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Speaker 2: Do you accept it to as long as the coalition
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Speaker 2: parties are split, that you are letting down the people
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Speaker 2: who have voted for you, and in fact letting down
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Speaker 2: the whole country.
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Speaker 1: By not being a viable opposition.
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Speaker 5: I certainly understand that thought process process. You know, I'm
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Speaker 5: a strong coalition as well, so my reference is always
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Speaker 5: to be in coalition. But again Chris has been prosecuted.
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Speaker 5: What happened this week. We were put, we believe, in
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Speaker 5: the situation that we had to resign because our senators
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Speaker 5: were going to be sat or standing on a Nationals
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Speaker 5: Party position. So that was where we got. We didn't
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Speaker 5: plan it. I didn't go to Camber thinking that was
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Speaker 5: going to happen last week. But I certainly understand people
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Speaker 5: being disappointed by the events of how they unfolded.
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Speaker 2: You certainly have a stake in who leads the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party because they lead the opposition and as you say,
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Speaker 2: hopefully you get back into coalition so they'll lead an
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Speaker 2: opposition that includes the Nationals.
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Speaker 1: Do you believe that Susan Lee can Survivor's leader.
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Speaker 5: Chris, I think anything I say as a Nationals MP
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Speaker 5: about the Liberal leadership will be a bad thing for
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Speaker 5: me to do in regard to what I want to
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Speaker 5: be the out ka and what you know what maybe
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Speaker 5: you may or might not be in the best interest
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Speaker 5: of the National So I am not going to say
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Speaker 5: a word which is appropriate as a Nationals MP about
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Speaker 5: the Liberal leadership.
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Speaker 2: What are your assessments of Andrew Hasty as a political leader?
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Speaker 5: Look, I know Andrew very well. I sat next to
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Speaker 5: him in the Parliament before he resigned and went to
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Speaker 5: the back bench. I sat next to him for over
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Speaker 5: three years. I like Andrew obviously his record as an
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Speaker 5: essay as soldier, he is a he's a very you know,
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Speaker 5: he has a lot of ethics, a lot of integrity,
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Speaker 5: as does you know. I know Angus Taylor very well.
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Speaker 5: Angus Taylor is a big brain. So obviously and Susan
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Speaker 5: has been leading the Party. So again know them all well,
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Speaker 5: not going to make a comment, Chris.
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Speaker 2: Will your own leader stay in the job? Will David
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Speaker 2: Little Proud to lead the Nationals to the next election.
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Speaker 5: I firmly believe he will, Chris, because the one thing
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Speaker 5: David does he's very transparent with the room. Our room
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Speaker 5: having had seven or eight meetings on this policy this
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Speaker 5: week and then a number of meetings about our approaches
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Speaker 5: to the Liberal Party. Their response to what we should
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Speaker 5: do was all a joint decision. That was a decision
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Speaker 5: made by the majority of the room, not David Little Proud.
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Speaker 5: So he has the support because he does everything in
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Speaker 5: such a transparent way.
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Speaker 2: Let me get your thoughts on the Australia Day protests today.
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Speaker 2: We had the usual Invasion Day rallies, which, strangely, although
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Speaker 2: they tend to be focused on Indigenous issues, have wrapped
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Speaker 2: in pro Palestine, anti Israel elements today chanting into Fada
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Speaker 2: from the River to the sea. These hateful slogans have
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Speaker 2: become so used to. But there were these other protests
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Speaker 2: supporting Australia Day with some far right elements involved. And
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Speaker 2: I'm just reading reports that I mentioned at the top
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Speaker 2: of the program that police have arrested a man from
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Speaker 2: one of those protests in Sydney who's saying that the
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Speaker 2: Jews are the biggest enemy to the nation. So on
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Speaker 2: either side of the political spectrum, and we've still got
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Speaker 2: this Andy Semitism and this hatred in our midst.
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Speaker 1: Your thoughts on that on this great day.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Chris, I love Australia, always have, and I've had
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Speaker 5: a great day. I've been out at Banwbo, which is
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Speaker 5: the far left of my community. There were hundreds of
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Speaker 5: people there. It's quite a small community, but there were
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Speaker 5: hundreds of people there. There were Australian flags on my
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Speaker 5: drive out, flying off utes, flying off houses, on flag poles.
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Speaker 5: It had a real feel of a celebration in my community.
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Speaker 5: So look, but look, I heard you a bit about
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Speaker 5: the ABC too, Chris. Can I just say it. When
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Speaker 5: I was driving home from Banalbo to do this interview,
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Speaker 5: I only listened to Downvie briefly. I don't listen to
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Speaker 5: them a lot, but I did happen to go through
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Speaker 5: on that three thirty the news update. The news report
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Speaker 5: at three point thirty on statewide New South Wales mentioned
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Speaker 5: one story at the start about invasion Day rallies being
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Speaker 5: well attended across the nation and the one in Sydney
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Speaker 5: was big, and then went to a different story not
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Speaker 5: Australia Day related, and didn't cover any positive story about
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Speaker 5: Australia Day at the afternoon update on statewide. So just
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Speaker 5: to support what your analysis was earlier. But I should
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Speaker 5: be younger.
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Speaker 2: It should be called the DOUBABC, the Anti Australia Broadcasting Corporation.
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Speaker 5: The good news Chris is and you've seen the polling
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Speaker 5: as well. And I can feel it when I'm around
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Speaker 5: in the community, the younger community, the eighteen to twenty
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Speaker 5: five year old. There's a resurgent in a belief and
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Speaker 5: a love in Australia and for Australia Day, and not
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Speaker 5: to change the day. And Chris, let's be I think
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Speaker 5: Bonds an impact on this the community. We as Australia
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Speaker 5: feel very threatened now about what happened in BONDI as
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Speaker 5: we should. And I think that's caused a resurgent in
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Speaker 5: the love for Australia Day to get behind the values
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Speaker 5: that we believe in. And I think that's helped the cause.
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Speaker 2: You can't take them for granted. You've got to fight
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Speaker 2: vir values and defend them. Thanks so much for joining us, Kevin.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate it, Kevin Hogan. They're the deputy leader of
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Speaker 2: the Nationals federally. Now on Australia, there have been plenty
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Speaker 2: of great Australians recognized, both famous and not so well
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Speaker 2: known right around the country, recognized in Today's and Australia
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Speaker 2: Day's Honors, and including among them, of course is Catherine
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Speaker 2: Bennett Peg who's named as the Australian of the Year,
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Speaker 2: the astronaut and of course the Olympic legend Kathy Freeman
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Speaker 2: got a top honor as well, an absolute favorite right
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Speaker 2: across the country. But meanwhile, someone we know well on
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Speaker 2: this program has picked up a gong.
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Speaker 1: ADYE.
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Speaker 2: Patterson, is the former head of ANSTO, that's Australia's Nuclear
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Speaker 2: Science and Technology Organization or I caught up with him
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Speaker 2: and I started with congratulations, of course.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 7: It was a little bit of a surprise because I
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Speaker 7: think one of my colleagues from back in the day
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Speaker 7: must have put me forward. I hadn't sort of done anything,
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Speaker 7: and then suddenly they contacted me about a week ago.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well you're.
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Speaker 2: An immigrant to this country, so you're part of our
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Speaker 2: immigration success story. Tell us about how you've found Australia,
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Speaker 2: what sort of a life you've built here, what this
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Speaker 2: country means to you.
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Speaker 7: Blacksyard's recruited by Ziggi Switzkowski to come to run and State.
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Speaker 7: So I hadn't intended coming to Australia. I was doing
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Speaker 7: another job and one day I was driving home and
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Speaker 7: I got a phone call, picked it up and it
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Speaker 7: was Ziggy inviting me to think about coming to Australia.
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Speaker 7: And then I went through the recruitment process and got
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Speaker 7: the job. So it was it was really a surprise
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Speaker 7: in many ways to leave South Africa, country I love
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Speaker 7: very much, to come to Australia, a country where I'm
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Speaker 7: not citizen and which I love very much. So it's
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Speaker 7: been it's been an absolutely good journey. I arrived to
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Speaker 7: come to lead Anstoke as the CEO, and right from
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Speaker 7: day one, it's been an absolute pleasure.
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Speaker 1: Tell us about that.
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Speaker 2: Of course, you headed up ANSTOE, the Australian Nuclear Science
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Speaker 2: and Technology organization. Obviously your reward is most related to
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Speaker 2: your leadership of that organization for.
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Speaker 1: A crew social period.
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Speaker 2: But in the last year or more you've been very
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Speaker 2: proactive in the political debate pushing the need for a
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Speaker 2: domestic nuclear power industry. Do you see your reward then
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Speaker 2: as a mainstreaming of that fight. At the very least
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Speaker 2: you haven't been blackballed because you've been pushing for nuclear energy.
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Speaker 7: Yeah. I think it's all of the above. As some
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Speaker 7: people say. When I came to Australia, I was, you know,
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Speaker 7: as a government person employed by the government. I was
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Speaker 7: ordered to show restraint in talking about nuclear power. But
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Speaker 7: I said I would show restraints and respect of Australia's ban.
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Speaker 7: But if I asked about the ban, I would say,
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Speaker 7: as I did in South Africa with the many bands
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Speaker 7: we had, that I think the bands are not good things.
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Speaker 7: And I said that many times, even while I was
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Speaker 7: the CEO of ANSTO. None of them ever got onto
20:54
Speaker 7: the media. But you know, as soon as I was
20:59
Speaker 7: free from the restraint of being the CEO of ANSTOE,
21:03
Speaker 7: I've worked with people like Will Shackle, who runs Nuclear
21:08
Speaker 7: for Australia, of which I'm the chair. He is a
21:11
Speaker 7: remarkable young man who is promoting nuclear But while I
21:15
Speaker 7: was at ANSTO, my focus was on nuclear medicine, and
21:18
Speaker 7: of course every iosity benefits at least once in their lives,
21:23
Speaker 7: either by diagnosis or by treatment from nuclear medicine. So
21:27
Speaker 7: in a way, we're in nuclear country and it comes
21:29
Speaker 7: through our veins.
21:30
Speaker 2: I wanted to come back to nuclear energy in a moment,
21:33
Speaker 2: but I wanted to ask you about that. I don't
21:34
Speaker 2: think enough Australians know enough about our existing nuclear reactor,
21:39
Speaker 2: the Lucas Heights facility on the southern fringes of Sydney.
21:43
Speaker 2: It's a nuclear research and medicine nuclear medicine reactor. Tell
21:49
Speaker 2: us how the work that it does at Lucas Heights,
21:52
Speaker 2: how that fits into global technology? Is it at the
21:55
Speaker 2: leading edge of technology? Are we keeping up with the
21:58
Speaker 2: world in those regards?
22:01
Speaker 7: It is one of the youngest and certainly the most
22:05
Speaker 7: productive nuclear multi purpose research reactor in the world. And
22:10
Speaker 7: by multipurpose it means we don't just do research, but
22:14
Speaker 7: we also provide commercial services. So all of the new
22:18
Speaker 7: comets and that we produce goes to Australia and New
22:21
Speaker 7: Zealand and in some cases to other parts of the
22:23
Speaker 7: world to treat patients. And people don't know this, but
22:27
Speaker 7: we run this beautiful research device where nearly are the
22:31
Speaker 7: every research scientist, they've got about thirty instruments connected to
22:35
Speaker 7: the machine, just like we have instruments connected to the
22:39
Speaker 7: Opal reactor. We're scientists training and PhD students in science
22:45
Speaker 7: come to visit these facilities in Melbourne and at Lucascience
22:50
Speaker 7: to literally get their PhDs and their professors get papers
22:54
Speaker 7: out of it. And so we're a major force in
22:57
Speaker 7: Australian academia. That there's a subset of academia that hates
23:03
Speaker 7: nuclear power and they're always on the news, but the
23:07
Speaker 7: academics who use these beautiful facilities to do some of
23:10
Speaker 7: the best science and research and technology development in the
23:13
Speaker 7: world or hardly ever on the news, which I think
23:18
Speaker 7: is one of the sort of asymmetries in Australian media
23:23
Speaker 7: which actually reminds me of a party South Africa if
23:25
Speaker 7: you brutally frank and I regularly get told not to
23:28
Speaker 7: say that publicly, but I'm saying it publicly because the
23:32
Speaker 7: kind of effect of a ban is to ban speech,
23:37
Speaker 7: and so you're absolutely right. I was restrained from talking
23:41
Speaker 7: about nuclear power for Australia when I was the CEO
23:44
Speaker 7: of an Stowe, but I think I gave my first
23:47
Speaker 7: interview on the importance of nuclear power for Australia two
23:50
Speaker 7: days after I left Anstowe's employment, and I've continued that campaign.
23:55
Speaker 7: Has become more visible recently because we're running out of electrons.
24:00
Speaker 7: And the one thing that I can assure the Australian
24:03
Speaker 7: public of is that electricity will become more expensive. So
24:08
Speaker 7: I predicted when we were told it was going to
24:10
Speaker 7: get cheaper, that would become more expensive, and even more
24:14
Speaker 7: expensive than the pundits said it was going to become.
24:16
Speaker 7: And that's turned out to be true because you can't
24:20
Speaker 7: use intermittent energy sources like wind and solar. I knew
24:25
Speaker 7: from the day that I arrived that the plan to
24:29
Speaker 7: use wind and solar plus batteries as the basis for
24:32
Speaker 7: our eastern electricity grid is doomed to failure.
24:36
Speaker 2: But given the rest of the world, then eighty is
24:40
Speaker 2: doubling down on nuclear energy. In fact, they're tripling they're
24:43
Speaker 2: avowed to triple it there and they're ahead of those
24:46
Speaker 2: plans already.
24:47
Speaker 1: And our electricity prices keep going up.
24:50
Speaker 2: The predictors go up another twenty five percent this year.
24:53
Speaker 2: How badly out of step is Australia with the international
24:56
Speaker 2: community when it comes to domestic nuclear energy.
25:01
Speaker 7: In the same month that we ban nuclear energy in Australia,
25:06
Speaker 7: Italy banned nuclear in Italy. This month Italy unbanned nuclear.
25:13
Speaker 7: So I'm hoping that sometime in the month's time we
25:16
Speaker 7: will unban nuclear. When people say electrictic is expensive, I
25:20
Speaker 7: always say, we know from the best studies that the
25:23
Speaker 7: cost to the final consumer is lower with nuclear electricity.
25:28
Speaker 7: That is true all over the world. That's what we
25:30
Speaker 7: need in Australia.
25:31
Speaker 2: Spot on, Adie, thanks for joining us.
25:34
Speaker 7: Great, it's nice to talk.
25:35
Speaker 2: To you, Adie Patterson. Their congratulations again. Now, the film
25:39
Speaker 2: we've all been waiting for, One Nation's super progressive movie
25:43
Speaker 2: is out today. You can watch it online. Mark Nicholson,
25:46
Speaker 2: the creator, will tell us all about it. After this shortbreak.
25:55
Speaker 2: I just want to go to some breaking news when
25:56
Speaker 2: it comes to one of these Invasion Day protests in
26:00
Speaker 2: Perth and police have told march is there to evacuate.
26:04
Speaker 2: So the police are responding to a threat what they
26:06
Speaker 2: say in Forest Place in the Perth CBD. So they've
26:10
Speaker 2: told the marches and protests there to evacuate in light
26:14
Speaker 2: of a threat.
26:14
Speaker 1: Apparently there are many police.
26:16
Speaker 2: There are a lot of police resources on the scene
26:18
Speaker 2: and one person is in custody. So just to warning
26:21
Speaker 2: Neir listen to the police in Perth at the moment,
26:24
Speaker 2: but talk of a threat at that Invasion Day protest
26:29
Speaker 2: in the Perth CBD. Let's get onto this movie now
26:32
Speaker 2: that we've been waiting for and talking about for some time.
26:35
Speaker 2: Are super progressive movie. It's called It's out in cinemas
26:38
Speaker 2: today and available to stream online. I did it early
26:41
Speaker 2: on just google a super progressive movie. You can find it,
26:44
Speaker 2: sign in, pay up and watch it. Mark Nicholson, of course,
26:48
Speaker 2: is the mastermind behind it all from Step Studios, normally
26:51
Speaker 2: joins us on a Thursday, but we thought we'd better
26:53
Speaker 2: catch up with him today.
26:54
Speaker 1: He is in Brisbane. Good to talk to you again, Mark.
26:57
Speaker 1: What's the feedback so far from the.
26:59
Speaker 8: Film, mate? It has been astonishing. Today has been one
27:04
Speaker 8: of those really special days, just purely because for the
27:07
Speaker 8: longest time I wasn't even sure if we were going
27:08
Speaker 8: to make the movie and get it done today. But
27:11
Speaker 8: it's so exciting that we're here. The song that Holly
27:14
Speaker 8: Valance did we just found out that's number two on iTunes.
27:17
Speaker 8: We've had streams pouring in, We've sold out cinemas across
27:20
Speaker 8: the country, and we're continuing to sell tickets.
27:22
Speaker 1: It just tells me.
27:24
Speaker 8: What do I think I already knew, which was that
27:25
Speaker 8: there's just such an appetite for this different kind of
27:28
Speaker 8: cinema that's just not being made and not being sponsored
27:31
Speaker 8: by our government at all. And it's really heartwarming to
27:34
Speaker 8: see so many people getting out and supporting what truly
27:37
Speaker 8: is an independent film.
27:38
Speaker 2: Well, it tells us what a great country we've got.
27:41
Speaker 2: In fact, the closing line, I think as the greatest
27:44
Speaker 2: country on earth, always.
27:45
Speaker 1: Was, always will be.
27:47
Speaker 2: And you take a sledgehammer to all the woke, all
27:52
Speaker 2: the woke favorites, all the hobby horses.
27:55
Speaker 1: Let's have a look.
27:56
Speaker 2: It's a bit of a please explain cartoon in feature length.
27:59
Speaker 1: Have a look.
28:08
Speaker 8: Oh great, another day in progressive paradise.
28:11
Speaker 9: Good morning Nam, Good morning rainbow, Good morning fellow, quite
28:17
Speaker 9: straight males, Good morning rats, good morning mild, good morning
28:23
Speaker 9: human remains, Good morning Lansy. No optimism, that's toxic positivity.
28:29
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, it's time for your morning apologies.
28:32
Speaker 5: Why yes, oh love began for forgiveness.
28:37
Speaker 2: There's some very familiar looking faces in that clip mark,
28:40
Speaker 2: but of course there are some very well known characters
28:43
Speaker 2: in the film. We've got Album Easy, We've got Penny Wong,
28:46
Speaker 2: we've got the hero of course, Pauline Hanson.
28:48
Speaker 1: So it amused me a bit that right at the
28:50
Speaker 1: end of the film you get.
28:51
Speaker 2: That same disclaiming you get on so many films, and
28:54
Speaker 2: it says that this is entirely a work of fiction.
28:57
Speaker 2: Any resemblance to any people living or dead, is it
29:00
Speaker 2: only coincidental?
29:03
Speaker 8: Yeah, we'll see if we'll see if we can pull
29:05
Speaker 8: the pull the wall over anyone's eyes on that one.
29:07
Speaker 8: But yeah, all all resemblance is a purely coincident. So
29:09
Speaker 8: it's a complete work of fiction. There's nothing there. And
29:11
Speaker 8: even then the last couple of weeks, we're talking about
29:13
Speaker 8: that closing line that you know, this is the greatest
29:16
Speaker 8: country on earth, that that may have in that first
29:18
Speaker 8: draft of legislation been considered hate speech. We may have
29:21
Speaker 8: gone to prison for saying such ridiculous things, such awful
29:25
Speaker 8: hate speech, And we all made the call that it
29:27
Speaker 8: was like, you know what, I'm willing. I'm willing to
29:29
Speaker 8: do it because I and I'm we're not like the doomsdays.
29:33
Speaker 8: Those lefties are all doomsdays. I'm going, I'm going toxic positivity.
29:37
Speaker 8: I love this country so much. It's so cool at
29:40
Speaker 8: a tier on Australia Day. We can save it.
29:42
Speaker 1: It's awesome.
29:43
Speaker 8: This whole movie is a love letter to Australia. If
29:45
Speaker 8: it was just run properly and Pauline Hanson was Prime Minister.
29:48
Speaker 2: It sure is a love letter to Australia. That's so
29:51
Speaker 2: much of the timing is so fortuitous. It looks like
29:54
Speaker 2: you're reading the crystal ball because you've got Pauline as
29:58
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, of course, and she's never been higher in
30:00
Speaker 2: the polls. There's even an astronauts scene at the end,
30:03
Speaker 2: and we've got the Australian of the Year today is
30:05
Speaker 2: an astronaut. There are so many funny things that I
30:08
Speaker 2: want to I want to spoil it for anyone. I
30:10
Speaker 2: love the fact you have a department for pronouns as well.
30:13
Speaker 1: But let's have a look at what.
30:14
Speaker 2: The Movie Sensors or the Classification Bureau has said about
30:18
Speaker 2: the film. They gave it an EM rating for mature,
30:21
Speaker 2: which is that's good. I didn't call it immature, but
30:23
Speaker 2: it says the entire film is full of crude humor,
30:27
Speaker 2: which trivializes the fight for equality and issues including the
30:30
Speaker 2: rights of minority groups and those facing discrimination, including First
30:34
Speaker 2: Nations people, the lgbt QIA plus community, differently abled people, etc.
30:41
Speaker 2: It openly names concepts like generational trauma, gender transitioning and
30:46
Speaker 2: body dysmorphia and makes fun of them.
30:48
Speaker 1: How do you plead Mark Nicholson.
30:52
Speaker 8: Guilty major?
30:52
Speaker 10: You know what that is.
30:53
Speaker 8: That's an Australian film. That's what the films we used
30:55
Speaker 8: to make in Australia. To be honest, I'm thinking about
30:57
Speaker 8: putting all of that quote all over the posters. I
31:00
Speaker 8: think that's going to sell the film better than any
31:02
Speaker 8: other review we can get. I loved that review and
31:04
Speaker 8: the fact that they couldn't rate it more than m
31:06
Speaker 8: which they wanted to. By the way, they desperately wanted
31:09
Speaker 8: to make it more restricted so that we could not
31:12
Speaker 8: sell it to people fifteen years or just over. Haven't
31:15
Speaker 8: have parents sit down and watch it. Honestly, it's a
31:17
Speaker 8: family film. It's a great film. Sit down with your family.
31:19
Speaker 8: It makes you proud to be Australian and just.
31:21
Speaker 1: A reminder to the Classification Bureau.
31:23
Speaker 2: It's a cartoon and it's satire brilliant stuff.
31:27
Speaker 1: Mark, thanks for joining us.
31:29
Speaker 2: Good luck with it all, support mate, Mark Nicholson. There
31:32
Speaker 2: Freciate made studios. It's called The Super Progressive Movie. It's
31:36
Speaker 2: in cinemas, as you heard, but if you google it
31:39
Speaker 2: you could pay a few bucks and watch it at home.
31:41
Speaker 1: We're going to take a break. On the other side, though,
31:43
Speaker 1: We've going to ask the big question, is.
31:44
Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty on the brink of taking the liberals top
31:48
Speaker 2: job senator to center.
31:49
Speaker 1: Nampa Price joins me.
31:55
Speaker 2: Let's get back into Australia Day and the Liberal leadership.
31:59
Speaker 2: I caught up with Liberal senator you just sitto Naviaginba Price.
32:02
Speaker 2: She's on the road and I asked it what Australia
32:04
Speaker 2: Day means to her and how is she celebrating?
32:07
Speaker 7: Yeah?
32:07
Speaker 4: Sure, and Happy Australia Day to you, and Happy Australia
32:10
Speaker 4: Day to all the wonderful Australians out there. You know,
32:14
Speaker 4: usually I'm doing what I'm doing now on Australia Day,
32:17
Speaker 4: which is sitting in my car with my husband and
32:20
Speaker 4: we're halfway between Dubbo and Adelaide at the minute. But
32:25
Speaker 4: we've spent the last week in a bit probably traveling
32:28
Speaker 4: between well I've certainly traveled between two territories and three
32:32
Speaker 4: states and getting out and about, seeing family, seeing friends,
32:37
Speaker 4: and celebrating, I suppose this wonderful country and waving at
32:42
Speaker 4: all the great Aussies out there, who are you know,
32:44
Speaker 4: brandishing one of these hear these flags? But look, I
32:48
Speaker 4: celebrate Australia Day because it's a remarkable country that's given
32:53
Speaker 4: me all the opportunities I've had in life. But also,
32:57
Speaker 4: you know, despite some of the harshness of our history,
33:01
Speaker 4: I suppose I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for
33:04
Speaker 4: the Irish potato famine. My great great great grandmother wouldn't have,
33:08
Speaker 4: you know, tragically lost both her parents, been brought over
33:11
Speaker 4: to Australia and married her husband, my great great great grandfather,
33:15
Speaker 4: who was a farm hand who had been arrested for
33:21
Speaker 4: breaking enter at the age of seventeen and deported over
33:24
Speaker 4: here to Australia as a convict, you know.
33:28
Speaker 11: And the remarkable sort of coming.
33:30
Speaker 4: Together of my families and my Woppery family in the
33:32
Speaker 4: desert who saw the world, my grandparents who were still
33:36
Speaker 4: in the early adolescents before there so they saw white fellas,
33:39
Speaker 4: and how far we've come since certainly their lives and
33:44
Speaker 4: for many Australians, we have such a colorful history and
33:48
Speaker 4: family tree, and to be one of the greatest countries
33:52
Speaker 4: on the face of the earth, considering what we've all
33:53
Speaker 4: been through is cause for celebration on today. So that's
33:59
Speaker 4: it's a day that I'm I'm grateful, you know, for
34:03
Speaker 4: this country and for having the opportunity to be alive.
34:08
Speaker 2: Will said, well said, just sincere, and let's stay on
34:10
Speaker 2: the positive. We'll get to the tricky stuff in a moment,
34:12
Speaker 2: but let's stay on the positive. You mentioned your husband,
34:15
Speaker 2: Colin Lily. I want to show our viewers his new
34:18
Speaker 2: single because it very much resonates when it comes to
34:22
Speaker 2: these themes.
34:22
Speaker 1: Have Look, I.
34:23
Speaker 5: Came across this great hut dusty land.
34:28
Speaker 2: So far and so far and from my mother's hands
34:33
Speaker 2: and people they spoke in different tongues.
34:38
Speaker 5: And this is where I belong. We belong to this land.
34:48
Speaker 4: We belong to this land.
34:53
Speaker 2: To see that, that's it in a nutshell, isn't it
34:55
Speaker 2: that Colin sayings we belong to this land. He's from Scotland,
34:59
Speaker 2: people come from all over.
35:00
Speaker 1: We all belong to this land. Yeah.
35:03
Speaker 4: Look, it's the Australian story and I'm so proud of
35:07
Speaker 4: the song that he's created and created specifically as a
35:10
Speaker 4: celebration of this country, working with a raft of different
35:15
Speaker 4: artists from around the country, of different backgrounds, different languages,
35:18
Speaker 4: different you know, sort of culmination of what it means
35:21
Speaker 4: to be Australian wrapped up from first Australians to a
35:25
Speaker 4: Chinese artist, to many other of the migrant community that
35:29
Speaker 4: have been part of the fabric of this nation. And really,
35:32
Speaker 4: you know, it's about instilling a sense of pride in
35:35
Speaker 4: who we are as a country and to teach our
35:37
Speaker 4: children ultimately what it means to be Australian, be proud
35:41
Speaker 4: to call ourselves Australian.
35:43
Speaker 11: And that's actually there's there's a there's.
35:45
Speaker 4: Also a documentary to come with the creation of that song,
35:50
Speaker 4: and Colin's been working with the i PA to develop
35:53
Speaker 4: an education.
35:54
Speaker 11: Program and you know, I'm very proud of.
35:57
Speaker 4: Him and his efforts and that and that amazing song
36:00
Speaker 4: which just I think captures what it means for many
36:03
Speaker 4: Australians in our hearts, the sense of belonging to this
36:06
Speaker 4: country and that celebration with this land.
36:08
Speaker 2: Indeed, we'll have to have Colin on the show again
36:10
Speaker 2: to talk about that song and that documentary in the future,
36:13
Speaker 2: but let's stick with you now as one of the
36:16
Speaker 2: country's leading politicians and the ugly side of Australia day.
36:20
Speaker 2: The protests we've seen today, we see some of the
36:23
Speaker 2: indigenous slogans or slogans in support of Indigenous Australians where
36:27
Speaker 2: they say this country's founded on Jeno side and Australia
36:31
Speaker 2: is a crime scene. But added to that this year
36:34
Speaker 2: as well, there have been cries for into Farda effectively
36:37
Speaker 2: uprising against Israel and Jewish people. We've seen into Farda
36:42
Speaker 2: on Bondai Beach last month.
36:45
Speaker 1: Give us your sense that.
36:47
Speaker 2: These horrific slogans being bandied about in protests today.
36:52
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's quite disgusting.
36:54
Speaker 4: And you know, original people have been used for many
36:58
Speaker 4: sort of political campaigns, means and co opted in such
37:03
Speaker 4: a way for other people's agendas and other people's benefit.
37:08
Speaker 11: And where I think this is.
37:09
Speaker 4: The saddest is when it becomes all about resentment and
37:13
Speaker 4: hate and everything that's on Australian as far as I'm concerned.
37:19
Speaker 11: Uh, And and it's it's not right.
37:21
Speaker 4: You know, we've got very little to do with what's
37:25
Speaker 4: going on in the Middle East, and that's a that's
37:29
Speaker 4: that's that's a conflict that's been transported into our country
37:33
Speaker 4: that we don't need. We don't we don't need that
37:35
Speaker 4: kind of division in Australia. And you know, quite often
37:40
Speaker 4: original people clump together as that were one homogeneous group.
37:44
Speaker 4: We know that's not true. We shouldn't do it to
37:46
Speaker 4: any group of Australians. But this is this is the
37:50
Speaker 4: activist class at it again. There's nothing positive to offer,
37:54
Speaker 4: no ways forward. This concept of reconciliation is not something
37:59
Speaker 4: that they really interested in. But I think the vast
38:03
Speaker 4: majority of Australians in this country are grateful for who
38:06
Speaker 4: we are as a country, and a hell of a
38:08
Speaker 4: lot of Aboriginal people also recognize that we're all in
38:12
Speaker 4: this together as one country and that we don't need
38:15
Speaker 4: that kind of negativity and those sorts of conflicts and
38:19
Speaker 4: for us to be co opted for Aboriginal people and
38:23
Speaker 4: you know, our causes, these causes to use and abuse
38:26
Speaker 4: us the way that they do, I think it's utterly
38:28
Speaker 4: wrong and un Australian.
38:30
Speaker 2: I can hear our viewers around the nation watching and
38:33
Speaker 2: nodding their heads to your words. Just since let's get
38:35
Speaker 2: onto politics, and I need to ask you whether Susan
38:38
Speaker 2: Lee's days as leader are numbered.
38:43
Speaker 4: Look, you know, the polls haven't been very good and
38:46
Speaker 4: there's obviously a lot that has been troublesome for us
38:50
Speaker 4: in recent times. You know, I suppose I never agreed
38:54
Speaker 4: with the fact that we're calling for Parliament to be recalled,
38:58
Speaker 4: you know, immediately our the horrible bond Eie tragedy. I
39:03
Speaker 4: think we should have had a hell of a lot
39:05
Speaker 4: more time to consider the bill that was before us.
39:08
Speaker 4: There are a lot of things to consider, a lot
39:10
Speaker 4: of you know, these conversations need to be had within
39:14
Speaker 4: the party room obviously. You know, last September Susan Lay
39:20
Speaker 4: lost confidence in me, which was very unfortunate, and I
39:24
Speaker 4: had the unfortunate experience of being thrown under the bus
39:27
Speaker 4: by a lot of my colleagues as well, and you know,
39:30
Speaker 4: things haven't really improved from that situation. But yeah, there's
39:33
Speaker 4: a lot of conversations that need to be had in
39:37
Speaker 4: party room when that comes about and.
39:40
Speaker 1: It's time for her to move on.
39:42
Speaker 2: If it's time for her to move on, do you
39:43
Speaker 2: see either Angus Taylor or Andrew hasty as potential replacements.
39:49
Speaker 4: I suppose, you know, until such time as you know,
39:52
Speaker 4: we have to make that decision. I think they're both
39:55
Speaker 4: great blokes. You know, I get on well with.
39:58
Speaker 11: Both of them.
39:59
Speaker 4: I know that their focus, both of them, their focuses
40:02
Speaker 4: for an Australia that is united, a focus back on
40:05
Speaker 4: rebuilding who we are after the devastating impact of having
40:09
Speaker 4: a labor government in for the last term and now
40:13
Speaker 4: this term, and they're prepared to deal with those tougher issues.
40:19
Speaker 4: I suppose immigration is one of those mass immigration that
40:22
Speaker 4: we need to address, the pressures that are on our
40:25
Speaker 4: society as a result. Energy is one of those issues
40:28
Speaker 4: that they're both prepared to address. And these are the
40:32
Speaker 4: things that we as the coalition as a Liberal party,
40:37
Speaker 4: need to get back to certainly focusing on and bring
40:40
Speaker 4: the coalition back together. I mean, you know, I did
40:44
Speaker 4: sit in the Nationals party room, but I'm a coalitionist,
40:48
Speaker 4: I'm a team player. I really strongly believe that a
40:52
Speaker 4: whole lot of hard work needs to be done mending
40:54
Speaker 4: and repairing and demonstrating to the Australian people that we've
40:59
Speaker 4: got Australia's best interest at heart. And I hope that
41:02
Speaker 4: we can start to get back to that sooner rather
41:04
Speaker 4: than later.
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Speaker 2: It sounds very much like you think Susan Lee is
41:08
Speaker 2: finished and it's just a matter of time before either
41:10
Speaker 2: Angus Taylor or Andrew Hasty takes over as leader. Have
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Speaker 2: either of them spoken to you about the possibility of
41:17
Speaker 2: running as a deputy? Is there a chance you could
41:21
Speaker 2: be part of a leadership ticket? Oh?
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Speaker 4: Look, you I'm not going to speculate on anything or
41:28
Speaker 4: what conversations have been had or haven't been had, but
41:32
Speaker 4: you know, going forward, I think the Australian people are
41:35
Speaker 4: looking at us and wanting us to get our act together,
41:39
Speaker 4: and that's what we need to start doing to ensure
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Speaker 4: that we're listening to the Australian people and reflecting their needs.
41:46
Speaker 4: And that's certainly what I'm going to continue to do,
41:50
Speaker 4: you know, in whatever capacity that comes as going forward.
41:53
Speaker 4: But working hard for this country is at the core
41:57
Speaker 4: of why I chose to put my hand up in
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Speaker 4: the first place, and that's exactly what I'll be doing.
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Speaker 1: So can you just be very clear with me now?
42:05
Speaker 2: Are you saying that it is time for a new leader,
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Speaker 2: that Susan Lee must go?
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Speaker 4: Look what I'm saying is things need to change and
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Speaker 4: things need to improve going forward. There is no doubt
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Speaker 4: about that and that is what the Australian people expect
42:19
Speaker 4: from us.
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Speaker 1: Jasinda, thanks so much for joining us today.
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Speaker 11: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Not a lot of overt support for Susan Lee there.
42:28
Speaker 2: We shall see what happens, but it looks like the
42:31
Speaker 2: leadership change in the wind for the coalition in coming
42:35
Speaker 2: weeks don't go anywhere because after the break, so I
42:38
Speaker 2: want to talk about how despite poll showing the majority
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Speaker 2: of Ossie's back Australia Day on the twenty sixth of January,
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Speaker 2: thousands of course attended.
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Speaker 1: Invasion Day protests right around the nation.
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Speaker 2: Today, Gemtoniini and Caroline Derusso will have more on this
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Speaker 2: after this break. Let's sort out the problems of the
42:58
Speaker 2: nation with on Ni here on the desk with me.
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Speaker 1: From GT community.
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Speaker 10: Have you Australia best country in the world in Perth,
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Speaker 10: Australia in the West.
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Speaker 1: Of course, it is, it is, it is.
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Speaker 12: It might be thirty five years late, but it's still Australia.
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Speaker 1: I tell you. Well, let's start talk about some of
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Speaker 1: the ugly parts of this. I talked at the top
43:19
Speaker 1: of the program. Most of us don't care. Most of
43:22
Speaker 1: us go to the beach, love the country and just
43:23
Speaker 1: want to separate in that Aussie way.
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Speaker 2: But there's people that are chanting for interfarna today.
43:28
Speaker 1: Well there it is. And there on the far.
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Speaker 2: Right, some bloke saying the Jews are the biggest enemy
43:32
Speaker 2: of this country.
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Speaker 10: I mean, on the one hand, I'm like, when people
43:35
Speaker 10: show you who they are, believe them. But this is
43:37
Speaker 10: the sort of thing that we've discussed berbatim on this
43:39
Speaker 10: show for two years. This is the sort of thing
43:42
Speaker 10: that there are existing laws to deal with this, So
43:44
Speaker 10: let's enforce the law like it means something. The fact
43:47
Speaker 10: that they are brazen enough to say this stuff on
43:50
Speaker 10: a daylight today, in a public forum where they know
43:53
Speaker 10: it's going to be reported, it's almost like a dare
43:56
Speaker 10: I don't want these people living in my community. I
43:59
Speaker 10: mean it would be the same no matter what you
44:01
Speaker 10: know national ethnicity. Standing up and saying they are the
44:04
Speaker 10: root of all Evelans is just appalling behavior. And as
44:07
Speaker 10: for the people, I think it was in Brisbane burning
44:09
Speaker 10: the Australian flag, mate, have it?
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Speaker 5: Think about what country you want to live in?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? So hateful.
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Speaker 2: The good news of that person who spoke about the
44:17
Speaker 2: Jews from the far right in city has been arrested.
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Speaker 2: So there's so many others chan chanting into Farda and
44:22
Speaker 2: River to the Sea. Again, what that's got to do
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Speaker 2: with Australia Day is beyond me and Cara. This was
44:27
Speaker 2: at one of those Invasion Day rallies that has been
44:30
Speaker 2: a lot of them around the country. But there's been
44:32
Speaker 2: a threats made against the protesters in Perth and police
44:36
Speaker 2: seem to have that under control, but there's so much
44:39
Speaker 2: hate getting around from these people.
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Speaker 12: There is, And I take Gemer's point and look, I
44:45
Speaker 12: largely agree, but also I would always rather that sort
44:49
Speaker 12: of thing out in broad dayly rather than underground. So
44:54
Speaker 12: I think it's I think it's really ungrateful. Frankly, ungrateful
44:58
Speaker 12: is what it is. We one the lottery of life
45:01
Speaker 12: being born in this country and almost regardless of your circumstances,
45:05
Speaker 12: we are living the dream. And the fact that you
45:08
Speaker 12: can't say that, particularly on one day of the year,
45:11
Speaker 12: just makes you, you know, an ungrateful and mirthless pratt.
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Speaker 1: But exactly, I also.
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Speaker 12: Like it from the point of view Chris, that the
45:18
Speaker 12: rest of us get to see this, because what it
45:21
Speaker 12: actually does is it ends up alienating these people because
45:26
Speaker 12: their views become so extreme and just so antithetical to
45:31
Speaker 12: who we are more broadly as Australians. And I know
45:34
Speaker 12: we'll probably get to talk about the poles and in
45:36
Speaker 12: relation to Australia Day, but what I thought was really interesting,
45:40
Speaker 12: particularly about the Resolve Pole Chris, was this huge chunk
45:44
Speaker 12: of people that were in the neutral unsure category and
45:48
Speaker 12: they've largely broken to wanting to keep Australia Day on
45:51
Speaker 12: the twenty six. And I think that that there comes from,
45:54
Speaker 12: you know, a couple of years back, people probably thought
45:56
Speaker 12: they'd lose their jobs if they thought that, yes, Australia
45:59
Speaker 12: Day should stay on the twenty six. So I think
46:02
Speaker 12: a lot of people sat on the fence. And I
46:03
Speaker 12: think with cancel culture kind of taking a bit of
46:06
Speaker 12: the back seat and receding somewhat, I think people are
46:10
Speaker 12: feeling brave enough now to come out and say that
46:13
Speaker 12: they are happy that Australia stays on over you're six,
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Speaker 12: which is excellent.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope you're right.
46:17
Speaker 2: I hope people can be more open about these things.
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Speaker 2: I think you're probably right, they're a bit worried in
46:21
Speaker 2: the past. You say you're like Australia, that they think
46:23
Speaker 2: you're some sort of right wing istry. But I do
46:25
Speaker 2: want to show you something from Brisbane, right and this
46:27
Speaker 2: really worries me. The way people get margin the mainstream
46:30
Speaker 2: can get marginalized by this stuff.
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Speaker 1: Look at this lady.
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Speaker 2: She's got an Australian flag and there's another gentleman in
46:37
Speaker 2: the Australian flag. They were kept away by police. I
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Speaker 2: don't know whether I dragged away or just kept away
46:42
Speaker 2: or just see whom just from the other protesters, right,
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Speaker 2: the Invasion Day protesters.
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Speaker 1: So you have an Australia Day flag and.
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Speaker 2: The police an Australian flag. The police single you out
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Speaker 2: and drag you away, just like it's been the people
46:57
Speaker 2: holding the Israeli flags who have been dragged.
46:59
Speaker 1: This is it, This is us about it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is great.
47:02
Speaker 10: I'm glad that you said that because I can say
47:04
Speaker 10: not get in trouble. It is absolutely us about And
47:07
Speaker 10: the thing that really I feel like we as a
47:11
Speaker 10: country need to challenge is that you can have you
47:14
Speaker 10: can have two things that are true at the same time.
47:17
Speaker 10: You can acknowledge, as we have repeatedly as a country
47:20
Speaker 10: as a nation, formally and informally, the pain of the past,
47:24
Speaker 10: the wrongs of the past.
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Speaker 2: There is not a.
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Speaker 10: Nation on earth that has not got that has a
47:29
Speaker 10: perfect history and a perfect story. That is simply a fact.
47:32
Speaker 10: You can acknowledge that while still saying this is an
47:35
Speaker 10: amazing country full of wonderful people of First Nations people,
47:39
Speaker 10: people like my own who you know. I'm a first
47:41
Speaker 10: generation Margarant. My dad came to Australia. I love the story.
47:44
Speaker 10: He arrived in Australia on the twenty sixth of January
47:47
Speaker 10: nineteen fifty six on a boat called the Australia with
47:50
Speaker 10: my non Na and my Zia. And I am so
47:52
Speaker 10: grateful to this country for giving my little family an
47:55
Speaker 10: opportunity after the Second World War, not just to build
47:59
Speaker 10: a life, but to grow and to contribute. And I
48:02
Speaker 10: just think these things can be true at the same time.
48:05
Speaker 10: And what I really have trouble with the Invasion Day
48:08
Speaker 10: mob is that you know, they are absolutists. There's no
48:13
Speaker 10: room for anyone else. And I would say from observation,
48:17
Speaker 10: there's no room if you're a First Nations person and
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Speaker 10: you are in that Invasion Day cohort. More power to you,
48:22
Speaker 10: this is a free country, but there's no room for
48:25
Speaker 10: other First Nations people who are like I love this
48:27
Speaker 10: country and I don't share your view, and I think
48:30
Speaker 10: that's problematic.
48:32
Speaker 1: That is problematic right across a whole lot of lesson
48:34
Speaker 1: so many issues.
48:35
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Caro over there in the West, can you tell
48:40
Speaker 2: us whether Andrew Hasty is about to become the federal leader?
48:46
Speaker 11: No, I can't tell you.
48:47
Speaker 12: Unfortunately, I can't tell you. I might be the organizational president,
48:51
Speaker 12: but I stick to my k meeting in the organization. Chris,
48:57
Speaker 12: nothing good comes of state presidents who involve themselves or
49:02
Speaker 12: interfere with parliamentary parties.
49:03
Speaker 11: So I stay you.
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Speaker 2: Stay out of it because you're officially the president of
49:07
Speaker 2: the party. But is Andrew Hasty a likely type to
49:11
Speaker 2: lead the Liberal Party. I've never had a federal leader
49:13
Speaker 2: from Western Australia. Can he do it from the West? Well?
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Speaker 12: Look, well, from the West is incredibly difficult. And you
49:21
Speaker 12: know we saw Kim Beasley attempt to do it unsuccessfully.
49:25
Speaker 12: I mean, it's it's incredibly difficult. I mean, Chris, you
49:28
Speaker 12: will understand this. Every time you get on a plane
49:30
Speaker 12: from Western Australia to flight to the East. Not only
49:32
Speaker 12: is it's three and a half hours, but it's also
49:34
Speaker 12: a three hour time difference, so it comes with just
49:37
Speaker 12: its logistical challenges. I'm going to stay right out of
49:40
Speaker 12: that conversation. I know you desperately was out here.
49:44
Speaker 11: Okay.
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Speaker 10: I don't think that mister Hasty is ready to be
49:47
Speaker 10: the opposition leader. Personally. I think he would be a
49:50
Speaker 10: tremendous minister, but I don't think he is personally. And
49:53
Speaker 10: I'm a voter, I am not a member of the party.
49:55
Speaker 10: I'm not constrained like my learned friend. I don't think
49:58
Speaker 10: he's the answer to the Liberal Party. Would he be
50:00
Speaker 10: great in the leadership team, absolutely, But Susan Lay's gone.
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Speaker 1: I do think she is gone, like I do think
50:07
Speaker 1: Piste could be the best.
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Speaker 10: I mean he might put his hand up, doesn't mean
50:10
Speaker 10: he's going to be good at it.
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Speaker 1: We'll see.
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Speaker 10: Caroline said is absolutely on the money. It is an
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Speaker 10: absolute punishment.
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Speaker 1: Whoever does it, was him or Angus Taylor. They need
50:17
Speaker 1: to be good.
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us so right out of time,
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Speaker 2: CAROLINEA or so and Jimmy, Tony and you will catch
50:22
Speaker 2: up with you next Monday.
50:24
Speaker 1: We're going to get no we're not going to a break.
50:26
Speaker 1: Now catch up. It's my show. It's The Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Finished now and up next will be Peter Kretin and
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Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow