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Andrew Boyd (Andrew & The Moon) | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #41 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian Reef
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  podcast. Today's guest is a musician's
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  musician, Jesus. You think, I wouldn't screw that
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  upward up when I say that word all the time.
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  Apologies my guest, hell's all the way from the United States,
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  He is known as Andrew and the moon and yeah, I don't really
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  know exactly quite how to define your sound but before we get
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  into that, That welcome to the show.
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  How you doing my friend? Thanks man.
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  Thank you for having me on here. This is the first time I've ever
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  done anything like this. So it's really cool.
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  And it's really cool the way we met on Reddit.
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  I'm sure you want to talk about that in a bit.
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  But, yeah, first time meeting, you great, great.
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  It's like to be on the show and she yeah, it's good.
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  That you mention that I'll just give a quick shout-out because I
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  think this is useful to podcasters and musicians alike.
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  Reddit is actually a fantastic place.
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  If you don't know already E to first of all, get promotion just
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  in general. Secondly yeah with podcast I
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  believe we met Eva in the podcasting subreddit or the
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  podcast guest exchange subreddit, which is like a new
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  one. It's pretty like simple concept
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  but a good idea. Nonetheless and you obviously
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  get lots of people in there yet podcasters.
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  And you get. Yeah, musicians such as yourself
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  saying like, hey I'm available and I, but although I believe,
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  actually, I found you On a different subject, other what
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  I'm talking about. But yeah, I've just on a side
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  note, but yeah, I think I found you in the to arrest original.
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  That's where I found you. Yeah.
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  No. Because normally, if I do Post
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  in there, I'm posting my own stuff, but I just looked at the.
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  I think I looked at the artwork for your latest record and I was
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  just like, huh. I think I'll give this guy a go.
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  Let's just take a chance and I was really glad that I did
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  because not to kiss your ass or anything, but The music is
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  fantastic. I've been blaring it like all
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  week. I do this volunteer in stuff
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  around the city that I'm in and this guy that I do a lot of
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  volunteering with because we work in a truck basically like
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  going around this city like collecting and giving donations
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  and such and he's really into his music as well, particularly
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  reggae music. So I was like, oh my God, oh my
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  God, oh my God, you got to check this out and I've put on your
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  music and we were blast in it and yeah.
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  Yeah, if you want to listen to Andrews music, Andrew in the
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  moon on Spotify, make sure you got a good sound system because
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  you literally you pick up and so much more and like I was kind of
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  Blown Away by that because when I first listened to it, I just
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  listened to it on my chili computer and yeah, it was
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  excellent. But like when I listen to it in
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  the van, with the full surround system and everything, there was
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  a lot more, I didn't hear. And it was I guess like a lot
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  more immersive or something. So, for me, it Kind of made me
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  think like, okay, this is how it's intended to be heard, I
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  think but let's get straight into like the sound because the
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  only thing I could really compare this to is, when I heard
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  you singing, occasionally I felt like your voice sounded like the
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  singer from the band, you know, Sublime you familiar with them.
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  Yeah. So I heard like a little bit of
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  that for those who don't know Sublime is this kind of like I
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  guess, like scar reggae kind of punk.
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  Outfit from America that had a couple of tracks couple of
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  bangers in the 2000s. If you haven't heard them, go
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  check them out. They're awesome.
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  But Andrews music had that sound as far as the vocals are
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  concerned but that's where the comparison ends.
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  Everything else is like a mixture of Reggae psychedelic
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  music, just very kind of out there style.
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  So I guess what I wanted to ask you is the first question is
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  like, how would you define your sound?
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  That's, that's a really tough one because I've kind of been
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  working on that for a long time and I didn't really want to like
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  have a definition for my sound and look in hindsight.
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  Like, there's something like I realized after putting the music
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  out like I could kind of take an objective.
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  Look at it and say, like okay, like I'm glad that was, that was
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  what it is. And at this point I'm almost
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  ready to like folk try to focus that a little more with more
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  music and But as far as defining my sound, I definitely grew up
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  on Sublime. That was like, so you nailed
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  that and I've never been kind of.
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  I've never been a singer, a strong singer but I've been More
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  and more nowadays. You don't really need to be that
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  great of a singer. You just kind of have to have a
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  Vibe, and make it work. And so that's kind of what I've
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  been working on a lot and trying to get, like, just more
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  comfortable using my voice as opposed, I mostly play bass,
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  which is kind of why I went more into the reggae vein of things
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  and grew up my first experience in high school starting a band.
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  We made a reggae band, and it was just I think that's, I don't
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  know what kicked it off the whole reggae kick, but that's
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  definitely where I Center all my musical thinking, but as far as
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  after that, it's just, you know, mixture of everything I've heard
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  from my entire life. This is, this is an interesting
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  thing, actually, because online your, this whole project,
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  everything you're doing, it kind of sounds looks to me, like,
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  you've kind of Been away a while and you've set up this thing.
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  And this is a new project in like yet starting from scratch,
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  kind of deal, but clearly as you've sort of outline there
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  you've been playing since high school.
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  Which many musicians have, you know, it's generally where we
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  start right? But I was very curious.
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  Like you must have had projects in the intervening years up into
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  this point because as musicians were always involved in several
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  different projects, you know, it's just how it is and I was
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  very curious to kind of learn about that and, you know, What
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  was the reason behind your decision to take that break?
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  And you know because it kind of ties in with with the themes of
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  this record which we'll get into in a little bit but it's very
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  much like a feel-good record. The name of the record is what
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  the future holds. And I really felt like this for
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  you was I kind of like you saying, like I'm back, I'm in a
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  much more. Positive mindset.
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  That's rock and roll. But yeah, what kind of happened
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  that beforehand? What kind of projects were you
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  involved in? So before before all this
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  started, I over the years, I would kind of just, you know, I
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  would be working on songs non-stop like, or I would just
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  make a bunch of beads and then out there would be one that
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  would, you know, just shine through and I would work on that
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  for months on end and then just get tired of it and then, you
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  know, I'm an audio engineer. So I okay, I work.
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  I work at a studio and I said, you know, sometimes I'll be away
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  for 12 hours out of the day just sitting behind a computer
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  recording stuff. Last thing I want to do when I
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  get home is do more, right? Is that sounds, but I do I did I
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  would find time to work on my own music and get stuff done.
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  And I was glad I'm glad that. My job helps me, get my own
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  music out easier but um, I'm derailing.
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  Here we go. This will happen a few times.
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  Hey it's fine take your time so good.
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  We were talking about. Was the question again, right?
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  So basically what I was wondering was you know in terms
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  of the intervening years between high school and up to, your part
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  record right now like the different projects you've been
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  involved in. So as you've highlighted right
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  there, you know obviously your your day job, your work.
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  As an audio engineer takes up a great deal of your time.
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  Which I understand many people, I think.
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  Can relate here, you know, when you've got some sort of daytime
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  job or whatever that takes up, a lot of your time.
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  And you know if he leaves very little time for for everything
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  else. And again, as you outlined there
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  that you know, it's the look like you said, it's the last
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  thing you want to do when you get home is more work.
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  I completely understand that element to it but but yeah.
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  What were there any other projects?
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  Anything indifferent to this perhaps?
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  Yeah so I actually lost To that this later.
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  But I had a bunch of songs that I put out on Soundcloud, right?
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  And not a like, I and I do have a bunch of songs on Soundcloud,
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  but that was kind of my like, discography, like my personal
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  discography, if you will. And like, just something where I
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  could see my own progression and I never really liked pushed it
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  out, there was just kind of like oh my friends who followed me
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  on, that could listen to him, but it was never anything like
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  that. I was really pushing Because I
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  don't I didn't really have time to be an artist or like work on
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  stuff like that. So I had this compilation of
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  Music out and then after not putting out music for two years.
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  I just had, you know, I probably had like 30 30 to 40 songs just
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  ready, not ready to go, but that were, like, I felt were decent
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  enough, but only so many that were ready.
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  And I plan to have like 12 songs on the record But when it came
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  down I was stuck at a point. I was like, why have I just
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  been, you know, continuously throwing paint at this will let
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  you know this this wall for so long when I could just you know
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  take the songs that I feel like I've done enough for and just
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  you know, make a project in a hole.
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  I get what you're saying. Yes.
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  You're basically you've always been writing and in this last
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  two years you're kind of been thinking like yeah, I need to
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  put pen to paper and actually make this into something now and
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  then pursue this essentially what you're saying like yeah.
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  And I would, you know, I would always go back rewrite other
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  rewrite songs, I felt could have been better and like, you know,
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  creating new just getting new things out of the same old stuff
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  for so long. And at one point, I was just
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  like I couldn't feel like that could create anything new
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  because I had all the stuff that was just there and it's like,
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  what are you going to do with it?
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  Is it just going to sit there forever?
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  It's like and now it's just weighing on me so heavy and I
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  was trying so hard to finish everything that I just had to
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  just step back and just be like, you know what I'm done, I want
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  to move on. Yeah, and four.
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  What the future holds, you know, it's funny that you bring this
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  up because I feel exactly the same way about my own music.
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  Like honestly, I'm right now. I'm, I've been writing, I guess
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  like solo music since 2013 on and off, but in the last year
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  and a half where I decided to really give YouTuber go and do
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  all different types of content. Obviously, I got back into music
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  and I sort of said to myself as soon as I get some equipment up
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  here, I'm going to start writing again.
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  And I did that and lo and behold loads and loads of songs started
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  coming, you know, because it's how it is, you get some
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  inspiration. You start writing whatever.
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  And I'm in the same boat as you like, I got all these songs from
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  years ago that I've written got all these songs now and the more
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  and more the songs kind of build up.
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  Its like eventually gonna do like a studio thing.
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  Got a and I'm nervous about it because I did like a 2013 EP but
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  back Then I didn't really feel as strong a musician because I'd
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  been in bands and stuff before and, you know, that was where I
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  felt comfortable. But when I started doing solo
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  stuff, that's a very different Venture, it's, you know, lot
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  more pressure and I'm sure as I'm sure you can relate and
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  especially with what you were saying before.
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  That pressure to make that first record that first kind of
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  Example of like this is who I am, this is what I do.
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  This is me that that's a lot of pressure and it's because you
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  don't want to like just put out anything obviously and you don't
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  want to put out something that kind of Almost like pigeonholes
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  you or something, you know, until at one particular area and
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  that's why I really respect what you said about you know, just
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  taking your time like going back, trying different things
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  with with with previous songs and really trying to spend time
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  working out what the sound is like how it should sound what it
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  should be like because even to this day like all these years
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  later with with my own music I'm still trying to figure it out
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  really. You know what I mean?
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  It's I think it takes a while but like to all those musicians
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  out there that are in a similar, Boat.
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  Just I think my advice would personally would be to just wait
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  until that moment when it feels right?
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  And then pull the trigger, which to me kind of sounds like
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  exactly what you did. You know, you said it was a
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  two-year process and then, okay, Now's the Time, pull the
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  trigger. Yeah, it was.
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  I mean, the whole process was actually slightly more than two
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  years. It was probably like three or
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  four more like, but I mean over those times that time, I think I
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  released, maybe like three songs or four songs over those four
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  years and it was just kind of like I didn't I didn't really
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  promote them. I did a few made a few posts
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  just like, hey I put on some music but it was never like put
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  on Spotify. Put it on Apple music like have
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  a whole collection of music. Because II didn't really like
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  you were saying, like it's it's tough to like put yourself out
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  there. Like here's a collection of
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  stuff that I feel in encapsulate, see who I am or
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  something like that. And It.
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  Yeah, it was just it was definitely is definitely
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  nerve-racking that's for sure. And you know, putting yourself,
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  you know, you're like wearing your heart on.
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  Your sleeve is kind of and just stuff that you've been working
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  on personally and just really thinking a lot about and it's
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  finally out there and I don't have to think about it anymore
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  and I'm stoked about that and hopefully people can just enjoy
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  it for what it is. I mean it's a great record like
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  I said I've been listening to it on repeat and yeah finding
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  different things with it every single time and one thing you
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  know after you've had obviously had a couple of lessons and you
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  just get to grips with the sound that everything obviously you
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  start paying more attention to the words.
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  And you know, I'm a lyric writer myself, always have been.
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  So I do kind of notice these things a bit more, maybe I know
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  because what I mean by that point is that every musician or
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  every note is great, everyone that listens to music finds
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  different things. You know, I mean, some people,
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  you know, more interested in what's going on with the drums
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  or the base or the lyrics or whatever the case may be.
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  And for me, I started really paying attention to some of
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  these lyrical themes you had and what I've got from it so far.
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  Is that it's basically mental health awareness and overall
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  kind of positivity. But I kind of felt like, in a
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  way and it's fine if I got this wrong, don't you know?
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  I don't mind. But to me, I kind of felt like
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  Right? We're Kindred Spirits in a sense
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  because a lot of the time when I write music like this as well
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  where it's like talking about like a going through a
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  particularly hard thing in life or whatever.
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  I tend to write it from the perspective of like hey you know
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  like as though I was speaking to myself like hey you'll be okay.
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  This is how it will go, you know.
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  Like you know, and that's kind of how I felt listening to this
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  record, you know. It kind of felt like a bunch of
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  different songs, kind of Talking maybe to your audience and also
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  to yourself and kind of saying, like, this is how you get over
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  these, the struggles that we all have, this is how you overcome
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  these things. It's important to be positive.
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  It's important to talk about these things and then get them
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  out there. Would I be correct in in that
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  kind of assumption or is there more to it with these lyrical
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  themes? Like what was the kind of
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  mentality behind? The themes of the record.
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  Yeah. So I guess the thing is a whole
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  over the past few years. I've been, you know, I've been
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  struggling with lyrics hitting myself because that's a whole
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  another version of, you know, putting yourself out there, the
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  things that you write and then there's you know how you sing
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  them. But so it's been a struggle over
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  the past few years to really get words on paper and feel like I
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  resonate with those words and like don't try to feel like I'm
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  just saying stuff to like make it sound like a cool song or
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  something like that. But uh, it it's definitely your
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  definitely correct in the fact that it's, it's definitely kind
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  of just like a like just trying to just, you know, in still a
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  feeling in people and like try to get them to you know, you
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  know, look look at things differently or It's that's
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  that's that's that's a general theme for a lot of the songs,
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  but then there's a few songs like the fifth, the fifth track.
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  Riverbed, that one I would say, I wrote mostly about my friend
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  who passed away a few a few years ago and he was actually in
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  the band in high school that we were in and but it's also kind
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  of it's not very specific what I'm saying, it's very general
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  and So, you know, it could be about, you know, like a lost
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  Love or Whatever, whatever kind of relationship in your life.
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  But that's like, definitely a big thing for a across.
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  A lot of the songs I tried to, like, make it so it's, you know,
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  somewhat universally relatable, Mmm.
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  Yeah, I found a similar thing with, not just with music, but
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  also with things like acting and stuff.
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  When I'm writing these things that sometimes you might Start
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  with an idea about a specific event in your life or a feeling
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  about something. And then yeah, you get
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  inspiration from other things and you kind of put together
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  something that becomes something more something else, you know,
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  it's funny like there's so many musicians out there and great
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  bands that have really songs and the fans obviously go like, oh,
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  it's clearly about this thing. It's clearly about this person.
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  It's like it might start with that.
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  There might be some truth in it. But ultimately, you know, the
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  song is, it's a Story isn't, it's a poem, it's many things.
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  It can, it can kind of start as one thing and grow into
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  something completely different. And I think that's a really cool
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  kind of thing behind this record.
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  Like I think the key thing I want to get across with this
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  record is that there's, you know, it's a type of record that
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  you listen to a lot of different times and you get different
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  things out of it each time I think and just just in general
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  it's a real good. Feel good records.
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  It's very Chilled and relaxing. So it's not like I don't know
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  how to put it exactly, but it's something that you can kind of
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  put it on and kind of have like a dance to it or whatever, or
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  you can just sit back and relax to it.
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  And I think that's always good to have a record that's like
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  that, you know, because I feel like sometimes with chalk more
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  chilled out music, so does this like to chilled and it's like,
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  oh, man. Yeah, I really got to do
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  something today. Like, this, for this records
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  kind of sits somewhere in the middle, which is pretty cool.
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  But yeah. So in terms of like how things
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  move forward past this record, obviously this is a recent
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  release, it's just come out. So, make sure everyone goes out
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  and streams the hell out of this.
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  It's called what the future holds and you mentioned, it's
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  not just available on Spotify. Is it?
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  Where else can people listen to the record?
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  It's pretty much everywhere. Apple music Spotify?
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  Yeah, the Amazon you you pretty much Anywhere Napster.
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  That's still a thing I guess. Wow, not still a thing.
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  That's amazing. Blows my mind.
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  Yeah, anywhere. Nice.
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  Nice. Nice.
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  And obviously. So we're coming were coming to
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  the end of 2020. So I would presume then maybe
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  you're considering you know 2021 record it will be looking at
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  maybe in an EP or another full length.
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  That what what does the future hold for Andrew and the Moon.
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  So right now I'm actually helping one of my good friends
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  who was also in the band in high school over Thanksgiving.
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  I'm going to record four songs for him and it's kind of more of
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  a full key. Pokey thing, a funky country
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  thing, but definitely some Andrew in the moon influence in
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  it. That's for sure.
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  It'll be fun. So, I'm kind of taking the time
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  right now to Le relax from like a new chapter to be cliche.
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  I guess, a new chapter has begun.
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  And so, definitely next year at least a five song EP that's
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  Point next year, and Yeah, I'm just definitely just chilling
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  out right now. Just trying to, you know,
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  obviously 2020 has had a lot of issues I guess and but at the
• 22:12
  same time I don't think this this would have happened if
• 22:16
  everything this year, hadn't happened, you know.
• 22:19
  I had a lot of time, a lot of these songs were written half of
• 22:23
  these songs, were written this past year, or like, since March,
• 22:27
  since the lock down, began in California, and Yeah, and then
• 22:34
  so that's just the way things go.
• 22:38
  And I actually had a name planning on taking, some of my
• 22:42
  SoundCloud releases and just making an EP.
• 22:45
  So, before I was Andrew in the moon, I was going by Galactic
• 22:53
  Drew. Okay, let's carries its own Vibe
• 22:57
  and itself and I kind of was like that sounds more like an
• 23:00
  EDM DJ's name. Yeah, someone who's like, you
• 23:04
  know, shooting lasers and smoke screens.
• 23:07
  And yeah, lasting kick drums. And we just kind of like I don't
• 23:14
  know where I was going with that.
• 23:15
  I did a remix for a friend and I was like Galactic Drury mix.
• 23:19
  So that's a remix name or something but I'm gonna put out
• 23:24
  an EP called Galactic EP just of all the songs I made while I was
• 23:30
  kind of doing that. And that's it was just Of part
• 23:33
  of my search for where I am now. I guess I think when this record
• 23:39
  begins to pick up some serious traction, which it will like
• 23:43
  trust me it. Well you're gonna get a lot more
• 23:46
  requests for music because I mean that's how it works.
• 23:48
  Isn't it? Once that once that following
• 23:49
  starts building up and people start asking the pressure kind
• 23:53
  of builds a little bit and obviously, you know, it's kind
• 23:56
  of a good and a bad thing but you know, I think that, yeah,
• 24:01
  we're going to see a lot more music from you in.
• 24:03
  He won. That's, that's for sure.
• 24:05
  But it makes sense to release the old stuff and get it out
• 24:08
  there as well. And obviously, as you said that,
• 24:10
  you'll put your own take on it. So I imagine that it will kind
• 24:13
  of fit more in line with, with this record because I know you
• 24:18
  said before that, you know, it was very much a, I suppose like
• 24:22
  a process of finding what the music will sound like, what it
• 24:25
  will be like, and stuff. And because that, that's an
• 24:27
  important Point, as well as like, consistency across a
• 24:31
  full-length, like that's one of the Reasons for instance, those
• 24:34
  who listen to my music and have asked me like hey why don't you
• 24:37
  go in a studio? Why you do this, why don't you
• 24:39
  do that? Well, a big element to that is
• 24:42
  finding that consistency because a record is a lot like a
• 24:46
  storybook, you know, you write it in chapters but it's all
• 24:49
  going to be consistent in terms of like the sound across all the
• 24:53
  songs, maybe like a lyrical theme or something doesn't have
• 24:56
  to be. But you know, it makes it
• 24:58
  easier. So obviously, if you're trying
• 25:00
  to call you Create that record. You need to kind of have all the
• 25:05
  pieces of the jigsaw kind of fitting together, first, and
• 25:09
  then comes the whole process of actually recording and doing
• 25:12
  everything. But but yeah, I look forward to
• 25:17
  seeing that chapter soon. I've since good things for you
• 25:22
  and but before we move on, I've got to ask, what's the story
• 25:25
  behind behind the name? I feel like there's a story
• 25:27
  there. Okay, there's, there's a start.
• 25:31
  There actually is a story now that That so to my friends they
• 25:38
  have a group called Beach noise and I was just hanging out with
• 25:41
  them and help them out of music. I like play bass and stuff like
• 25:46
  that but or keys or whatever. And I got a telescope because I
• 25:54
  was just like we were, you know, there was some clear skies out
• 25:57
  and I was like, you know what, I'm good telescope.
• 26:01
  We're going to look at some cool shit and sky and I went out
• 26:06
  there. I was like, oh, I can't wait
• 26:07
  till we like the moon comes out and we'll see the moon and we'll
• 26:10
  look at the Moon and all the stuff and the moon for some
• 26:14
  reason. I don't know.
• 26:15
  It was the time of the year or that where we were but the moon
• 26:19
  didn't rise where we were two weeks or was hidden or
• 26:24
  something. We just it wasn't around or the
• 26:27
  days. It was out cloud cover
• 26:29
  everywhere, right? Yeah.
• 26:31
  For two weeks straight, it was like I was searching Trying to
• 26:35
  get the moon. And so they're, like, Andrew in
• 26:37
  the moon. Like, that should be a
• 26:39
  independent nails. Like, yeah.
• 26:40
  You know what? I dig it and it's kind of funny
• 26:45
  funny story but also at the same time, kind of like felt it felt
• 26:49
  more fitting than Galactic Drew. I tend to agree that is always
• 26:57
  good. I mean, you typically there's
• 26:58
  always a story behind the name, you know?
• 27:01
  I remember like when I named my first my first ever band, And
• 27:05
  literally the song just came from the sorry.
• 27:09
  The band name came from a song. And, you know, I thought it was
• 27:13
  cool and we picked him. We all agreed on it and but
• 27:15
  like, it's so much better when you hear about people's stories
• 27:18
  behind things when it has meaning.
• 27:20
  Because often like a band name will start from a song and then
• 27:23
  they just choose like to name it after that.
• 27:26
  But I've heard other bands have like pretty cool stories, which
• 27:30
  I don't know if I believe. Like, I remember there was this
• 27:32
  like metal band years ago called Fall of Troy, if you're familiar
• 27:36
  with them. And apparently, their story is
• 27:40
  that they were flipping in some sort of like, history book or
• 27:43
  something. And like, they just randomly
• 27:46
  turn to one page and he put his finger on the members of the
• 27:49
  band, put its finger on like a particular phrase and it will
• 27:52
  page, and it said, Fall of Troy. And it's like, okay, yeah, Fall
• 27:55
  of Troy. And I'm like color, man.
• 27:57
  What are the chances of that? Like But you know have been
• 28:03
  named something else. Yeah.
• 28:05
  Yeah, like somebody just really like random.
• 28:07
  Like a piece of pottery has all over the world.
• 28:16
  Let's talk a little bit about your Inspirations.
• 28:18
  I mean, I obviously, as I mentioned now, I heard a bit of
• 28:21
  sublime in there, you know? But I didn't, I didn't want to
• 28:25
  kind of assume anything else. So like, I'd like to know who
• 28:28
  are your main Inspirations for your music.
• 28:32
  You know, in terms of like just it's just that everything in
• 28:35
  general well were you inspired, who are you inspired by?
• 28:38
  So I guess from the beginning, I grew up growing up.
• 28:43
  I have two younger sisters and we were always listening to pop
• 28:47
  music growing up like love op music.
• 28:49
  And then, as I started going into more middle school, late,
• 28:55
  Elementary era, I was more into the Rock like Blink-182 and like
• 29:01
  Punky stuff but also like pop punk.
• 29:03
  And then, in middle school, I got more into like, you know,
• 29:07
  kind of like heavier stuff like kind of like post-hardcore and
• 29:11
  like screamo kind of stuff. And then in high school I got
• 29:15
  into Sublime and it was over from there.
• 29:18
  And how do you mean it was ever since then I just like have had
• 29:26
  like something for like reggae and I mean I'd always, you know,
• 29:30
  listen to Bob Marley growing up. Visited the Caribbean and
• 29:33
  Jamaica and why, when we were younger and just kind of, you
• 29:38
  know, synonymous with vacation life and like, just Good Vibes
• 29:41
  all around. And, but I've been trying to
• 29:44
  figure out where the reggae has come from for a long time, but
• 29:48
  honestly, I think it's just a Vibe and it's, it's fun and it
• 29:52
  can be, it can be bright or it can be dark and meaningful.
• 29:56
  I You know can be dark to just straight-up dark but I've really
• 30:04
  just so I think I guess looking at an out I had the reggae and
• 30:08
  then loving all the pop stuff and then the like in
• 30:14
  post-hardcore and scream all kind of stuff there was, there
• 30:16
  was decent production and all that stuff.
• 30:19
  So I think all the pop like electronic and production
• 30:25
  elements mixed with the reggae's.
• 30:28
  I love like is what is kind of coming out at this point?
• 30:31
  Yeah, so but yeah as far as that's pretty much as far as
• 30:36
  where my musical Journey went but bands.
• 30:43
  Specific quantity to and Sublime.
• 30:47
  Yeah, I think like the top three spread across like the main ones
• 30:51
  that we lost your little bit there for a second.
• 30:54
  Could you just repeat those bands?
• 30:55
  I know you said Blink-182 and Sublime.
• 30:57
  What was the other one? Red Hot Chili Peppers, Red, Hot
• 31:02
  Chili Peppers, right. Nice one.
• 31:04
  Nice one. And well, I mean, I know you
• 31:06
  said that like you're not 100% sure whether reggae element came
• 31:09
  to it from, but like, obviously scar.
• 31:12
  I think, I don't know the history but I think scar comes
• 31:15
  from where gay does it, or does it not like is they're so
• 31:18
  similar? I mean, yeah, because when I
• 31:20
  grow up in the UK, we had this band called madness and they
• 31:26
  were that kind of introduced me to scar originally and then I
• 31:30
  found like all these other bands that were like scar.
• 31:34
  But like, I guess like skaar slash pop-punk selects, I kind
• 31:39
  of put Sublime in that category. There's a few others.
• 31:43
  I mean, I don't know if I've got this right.
• 31:46
  Yeah, like bands, like what's the zebra head?
• 31:50
  That's another one. Yeah, just like you hear what?
• 31:54
  He's crazy elements in the song so you can never really straight
• 31:57
  up say that. I just pop punk because there
• 31:58
  was all this. Yes, Scott influencing, then
• 32:01
  obviously Skies like really far on often is write really fast
• 32:06
  reggae but obviously it can be very slow down as well.
• 32:10
  But yeah, it's cool. I mean I think in this record
• 32:13
  that there is a lot of kind of like very like your Instagram
• 32:19
  tag online on on your install your bio sums up very well.
• 32:25
  It's like something like space dub Funk something and I'm like
• 32:30
  yeah this is yeah that's pretty much it slime.
• 32:33
  Very kind of out there and I can read it future dub Roots, Rock
• 32:39
  Post, psych space Sounds. Hey guy says, oh really.
• 32:46
  I came up with that and just Just works.
• 32:50
  Yeah, I mean so many of the musicians I've had on the
• 32:53
  podcast, you know, because I love all types of music and I
• 32:56
  especially like really experimental stuff.
• 32:59
  I don't know, maybe it's just a musician thing.
• 33:01
  You start with that basic stuff. And then throughout the years
• 33:04
  you get more interested in more experimental because I suppose
• 33:07
  because it's different from the conventional, isn't it?
• 33:09
  If you listen to a pop song typically four bars, same stuff
• 33:13
  you've heard of million times before the look slightly
• 33:16
  different, you know. Flavor on the same thing,
• 33:19
  whereas experimental music, alternative music.
• 33:22
  Whatever the case may be, is often inspired by lots of stuff
• 33:26
  that you've heard, but like still unique and still
• 33:29
  different, you know. Like for example, I really like
• 33:33
  mac the Marco and I feel that he's highly underrated.
• 33:38
  Like I felt like a lot of his earlier records are like
• 33:41
  fantastic music but not just because it's good music but also
• 33:45
  because it's just very experimental, you know.
• 33:48
  And I think is always very important as a musician to kind
• 33:51
  of be like that. And that actually leads me on to
• 33:54
  my next question because with his latest record, which was
• 33:58
  released last year, he made the switch from being on a label to
• 34:03
  being independent. And there seems to be a trend
• 34:05
  with a lot of musicians doing this now, going, independent,
• 34:08
  and obviously, it's ideal for big, you know, super successful
• 34:15
  bands, and artists because, you know, they will Own all their
• 34:18
  music and obviously all the money that comes with that and
• 34:21
  so on and so forth. But it's not just about that.
• 34:25
  It's also about the creative control over a record.
• 34:28
  Like I always found it kind of crazy listening to bands, talk
• 34:31
  about how much of a impact at the record company could have
• 34:36
  over the creative process as like, what like, you know me,
• 34:39
  it's your music. What do you mean?
• 34:41
  But like, that's true, like a lot of those contracts that they
• 34:44
  signed many many decades ago. They were like That they were
• 34:48
  business. Contracts from business people,
• 34:50
  trying to screw over the people in order to get the money.
• 34:53
  That's why you see people like. Kanye going crazy about it, like
• 34:56
  it's crazy as he might, you know, be sometimes when he comes
• 35:00
  out with these tirades and stuff, he's spitting facts about
• 35:05
  the music industry. But basically bringing this back
• 35:09
  to the question I have for you, I wanted to know what your
• 35:12
  opinion is on, you know, whether or not you would prefer to be on
• 35:17
  a major. Label or whatever you prefer to
• 35:19
  be you know, independent musician and kind of Chase that
• 35:22
  route. Like where do you fit on that
• 35:25
  kind of spectrum and which which do you prefer?
• 35:28
  Which would you want? You know, like if a big company
• 35:31
  tomorrow came and said hey we want to give you a contract.
• 35:33
  Is that something you'd be interested in?
• 35:35
  Where do you sit on this? I think, as far as right now
• 35:40
  with The state of the world, I feel like independent is working
• 35:48
  for so many people because of social media and you know
• 35:52
  everything so easy to access you know you want a producer or you
• 35:56
  don't want to produce her, you could hit one up on Instagram or
• 35:59
  you can, you know, it's so easy to send projects but back and
• 36:03
  forth between people like I need you to mix this.
• 36:04
  All just send it to you real quick.
• 36:06
  Send it back to me next week and I think that's part of the
• 36:11
  reason why it's so easy for bands to go independent now and
• 36:16
  also just doing like promotional deals with certain like when
• 36:22
  they don't have anything to do with your music.
• 36:24
  That's all on you but they promote you and they promote
• 36:28
  your music and you have some kind of contract about them with
• 36:32
  that. So there's a lot of ways
• 36:35
  nowadays that I think there's a lot of labels coming out that
• 36:38
  are truly like It for the artist now because there's always been
• 36:42
  that stigma of just like there's sharks everywhere.
• 36:45
  They're gonna steal your music and stuff like this, take all
• 36:48
  your money but I think I think it's getting a lot more honest
• 36:52
  now, not to say, there isn't still people out there who are
• 36:56
  going to try to do that. But we're more aware of a lot of
• 37:01
  things like that now, and people just want to be good businessmen
• 37:05
  on top of that too. So yeah, I think that's that's
• 37:10
  but as far as what I would do, I think I think independent for
• 37:17
  now you know there's yeah there's no I have no reason to
• 37:22
  seek out like a major label at this point when it's just pretty
• 37:27
  much you know at that point they're getting most of most of
• 37:30
  the money for just promotion. Yeah.
• 37:33
  When they going on right now but you know we'll see in after I,
• 37:37
  you know, work on a few more things and We'll see, you never
• 37:42
  know, you never know where it's going to go.
• 37:44
  But as for now, I think the independent ways, good way to
• 37:48
  go, because you can Outsource so many things nowadays.
• 37:53
  Yeah, I think, I think you make a really solid point there.
• 37:55
  I mean, I've often thought about this over the years as well.
• 37:59
  Like, if I would get an offer, would I actually take it and I
• 38:01
  mean, Maybe if it was a really short term deal, but I feel that
• 38:06
  at the end of the day, like you said, it's basically paying
• 38:10
  mostly for that promotion. And do you really need that, you
• 38:13
  know, with social media? It's free and you can completely
• 38:17
  control it yourself. And, you know, I mean, it's the
• 38:20
  easiest time to ever do this. And yeah, I've seen again with
• 38:25
  those distribution deals that you mentioned.
• 38:27
  I've seen a lot of artists do that especially independent
• 38:30
  musicians, you know. It's a great way to Kind of get
• 38:34
  your stuff. Yeah.
• 38:35
  At least distributed throughout the world throughout the right
• 38:37
  channels, but you know, making sure that those record labels
• 38:39
  have zero input. As far as that creative is
• 38:42
  concerned or like, making money from things, like merchandise,
• 38:45
  and stuff like that, that should all be going to the artist
• 38:48
  always. So yeah, I completely agree with
• 38:51
  you and that's awesome. And yeah I think for you
• 38:54
  independent is definitely the way to go as but more from the
• 39:01
  perspective of like having Full creative control over your
• 39:04
  records. I filled it like a lot of the
• 39:06
  time these big money contracts really kind of not always
• 39:13
  intentionally but a lot of the time they they inhibit the
• 39:15
  musicians ability to be creative, you know?
• 39:18
  Like I felt like that was definitely the case with Matt
• 39:20
  DeMarco but there's some people that argue that maybe he should
• 39:24
  have stayed on, you know, on a major label because his music
• 39:28
  was better before. But I think that, you know, Is
• 39:31
  always better when you're fully in control, you know, creative
• 39:34
  when you're a creative. It's like I think the only thing
• 39:38
  that you might sort of need from major labels or companies, or
• 39:43
  whatever is is like a bit of direction.
• 39:44
  Sometimes, maybe if you're not fully aware of how to navigate
• 39:48
  certain things, but as far as a creative process is concerned.
• 39:52
  Yeah, I mean yeah, the thing about record labels is that
• 39:55
  they, they take the time to study what's going on and what
• 39:59
  works? Yes.
• 40:01
  Put a lot in to that. And so there's a place they said
• 40:06
  about you know the formulas they have and what they think will
• 40:08
  work now and what they think won't.
• 40:10
  And like I think that's that's really good to have that outside
• 40:15
  I but then they're going to own 80% of your music and only going
• 40:21
  to put the ones out that they feel like will make their money
• 40:24
  back. And if there's any ones that
• 40:25
  you're like, I love this song like it's like the greatest
• 40:28
  thing I think I really like, yeah, it's not.
• 40:31
  Really what we're looking for. So we own that but maybe we'll
• 40:35
  put it out at some point in the next Heat.
• 40:39
  I don't want to like stay on this issue for too long but I
• 40:42
  just keep thinking of examples here like green day is a really
• 40:46
  good example. They released a record a year
• 40:50
  ago, a couple of years ago, father of all something,
• 40:52
  something like that and I'm going to, I'm just going to be
• 40:56
  controversial and say it's a dreadful record, it's a
• 41:00
  business, they should be ashamed.
• 41:01
  Into it because the thing is, they're excellent musicians and
• 41:04
  they've always made fantastic music even when they went into
• 41:07
  the whole, you know, contemporary music sphere, or
• 41:14
  whatever. They've always told great
• 41:16
  stories with their records and they've always been very
• 41:18
  Progressive, but that record according to sources.
• 41:22
  I mean, I don't know if it's fact but according to sources
• 41:24
  they literally put it out as like a nephew to their record
• 41:28
  label because they just wanted to get off the label which is I
• 41:31
  understand but I as an artist I look at that, like, but how can
• 41:36
  you live with yourself that you created a bad record on purpose?
• 41:40
  That that just looks bad on you, you know?
• 41:42
  It's like I get it. It sucks.
• 41:46
  But like, come on man. You just punishing the fans
• 41:49
  really liked and liked your look back in the future and be like,
• 41:52
  why did we do that? Why new Punk.
• 41:59
  Maybe it's not just them. There's a lot of musicians that
• 42:03
  have been doing that same thing of like releasing a record on
• 42:07
  purpose in order to kind of like, Get out of their contract
• 42:11
  and then do the next one, but a lot of them still release a good
• 42:13
  record. At least you know, it's like, I
• 42:17
  know it's subjective. I know it's subjective, but like
• 42:20
  I think the main reason why I felt like that was a terrible
• 42:22
  record. Was that?
• 42:23
  Like it was so nice. Not them and so poppy to like a
• 42:30
  laughable amount. Like I literally, I couldn't sit
• 42:34
  and listen to it, which I blew my mind because I heard the main
• 42:39
  track on the radio I think and I was like yeah this is this is
• 42:42
  definitely pop music now not the Green Day.
• 42:45
  I know and I saw a billboard for it.
• 42:48
  I was like okay yeah that that's not that's not Green Day.
• 42:53
  That's it. I totally see what you're
• 42:54
  saying. I never listen to Anything else
• 42:57
  or a but I get everything, you're saying just from those
• 43:02
  two experiences, that's the thing.
• 43:04
  Like I'm very open-minded when it comes to music and stuff and
• 43:08
  I rarely just say that something is trash.
• 43:10
  But I looked at what's-his-name's review, the
• 43:15
  guy that does all the reviews on youtube.com a bloody name.
• 43:20
  You know the gum on about with the glasses.
• 43:22
  I'm going to kill myself and I'm remembering this.
• 43:24
  He has Anthony fan. Tano's, the guy I was thinking
• 43:29
  of, right? So he always does these these
• 43:32
  reviews and of like major artists, unknown artists,
• 43:37
  YouTube artists all sorts. And he's very famous for just,
• 43:42
  you know, telling him given his exact opinion and For Better, or
• 43:46
  For Worse. And I saw his review of that
• 43:48
  Green Day record and it was scathing to say the least.
• 43:52
  But I would kind of, I looked at it like, well, that's just one
• 43:54
  man's opinion like how bad It really be.
• 43:58
  So I went and sat down and listened to it and like he was
• 44:00
  right though. It was part of language.
• 44:03
  It was horse shit. Like this is just terrible.
• 44:07
  But yeah. Anyway, back off track there but
• 44:11
  I just, I thought I was interested.
• 44:12
  It's nice to get your thoughts on that as well and yeah, so
• 44:15
  thanks for that. Bring it back to the as a final
• 44:19
  question on the record, I was very interested to know what
• 44:22
  kind of instruments and effects and like Recording softwares and
• 44:27
  stuff. Did you use to create?
• 44:30
  Not just the the music itself, but the, the tones and
• 44:34
  everything as well. I think a lot of musicians out
• 44:36
  there be interested to know how ya thought it off.
• 44:40
  I use a logic logic are that's I I use a lot of pro tools for
• 44:45
  engineering but logic is definitely my production go to I
• 44:51
  you know most it's mostly just you know, bass guitar and just
• 44:55
  some or In some sense. And if people are looking for
• 45:00
  amazing ways to make or easy ways to make amazing, Superior
• 45:07
  drummer is incredible. It most of the drums on there
• 45:11
  are superior drummer. Except for, I think two tracks
• 45:14
  have drums, real drums on them and which my roommate does the
• 45:21
  drums for he's a drummer. So I have him do that but as far
• 45:25
  as effects and this is my favorite part for sure.
• 45:28
  I use guitar pedals for a lot of like vocal effects drum effects
• 45:36
  stuff like that. And I have a bunch of guitar or
• 45:40
  a bunch of guitar pedals that I just use.
• 45:42
  Whenever I feel like I need something need a space, needs to
• 45:45
  be filled in. Or let's grab these two guitar
• 45:48
  pedals. Put them in a chain and throw
• 45:50
  the vocals through it, throw the snare through it and just try to
• 45:53
  blend that in and you know, kind of, you know, patch over this
• 45:58
  section like fill it up like just kind of you know fill the
• 46:01
  space a little bit. But I've also been recently
• 46:05
  working on trying Trying to, you know, do more with less because
• 46:10
  that's kind of what we're music's going nowadays.
• 46:13
  Like he's kind of thing and so I'll, you know, just have some
• 46:19
  tracks laid out and then maybe like a few effects but only if
• 46:23
  the effects are like, adding something like someone once told
• 46:29
  me about film like when you're watching a film that, Every
• 46:36
  everything you see matters, no one would ever put something in
• 46:40
  a film that doesn't matter. And the same thing for
• 46:43
  songwriting, why you should nothing should be in there.
• 46:46
  That doesn't add to the overall story of this thing.
• 46:50
  So I kind of took that into the recording and production side of
• 46:53
  it and just thought about like, okay.
• 46:56
  If this doesn't add anything to the overall hole, then it
• 47:00
  shouldn't be in there, or it shouldn't be shouldn't be like
• 47:03
  that, it needs to be it needs. He figured some other way and
• 47:08
  stuff like that, but yeah, mostly it's mostly me.
• 47:12
  'Maybe I have five string jazz bass, its awesome, love it and
• 47:18
  then a Fender Strat and just some midi instruments.
• 47:23
  Awesome. Thank you so much for sharing -
• 47:26
  that's fantastic. I'm moving it.
• 47:29
  Moving it forward. You mentioned in a conversation
• 47:32
  prior to this podcast. You'd moved from Virginia to Los
• 47:37
  Angeles. I wanted to know kind of why you
• 47:40
  decided to make the move and you know how these states compare.
• 47:45
  Because obviously this podcast has an international reach and
• 47:49
  you know, I'm familiar with the differences between States on a
• 47:52
  kind of a superficial level. I've been to the states very
• 47:55
  briefly for about two weeks for six years ago.
• 47:58
  So I saw like the state of Nevada and the state of
• 48:05
  California. But other than that, you know,
• 48:08
  very nervous kind of understanding.
• 48:10
  So I just wanted to kind of get your perspective on that and you
• 48:14
  know just what prompted the change, how do they compare?
• 48:18
  Yeah absolutely. Well I grew up in Virginia was
• 48:22
  born there and then I actually lived in Northern California for
• 48:25
  a few years and then back to Virginia for until College moved
• 48:31
  to Boston for college. And then after college, I was
• 48:35
  Like not really sure what I'm going to do.
• 48:38
  Maybe I'll try to get a job in LA because that's where all the
• 48:41
  work is. And luckily, I was able to get a
• 48:44
  job in LA and that's why I'm living here now.
• 48:47
  And as far as differences goes, I mean, they're pretty much not
• 48:52
  I couldn't say polar opposite, but they're about as opposite as
• 48:56
  it could get in the United States, right about.
• 49:00
  But Virginia, you know, I grew up with a lot of space in a lot
• 49:04
  of wood. good wooded areas and area to just explore and run
• 49:10
  around and And I always miss about that place.
• 49:14
  I mean, it's beautiful Rolling Hills, just everything's green,
• 49:17
  especially in the fall. This time.
• 49:19
  It's amazing. And then coming out to
• 49:22
  California, everything is just extreme huge.
• 49:28
  You know, the deepest ocean and huge waves rolling in all the
• 49:33
  time. Just a in vegetation to you
• 49:37
  know, notnot really forced out here like you see in Virginia
• 49:41
  until you get like To the northern part of the state.
• 49:45
  I mean Southern and Northern California in themselves or just
• 49:49
  different kind of climate zones. Also, but Yeah, like honestly,
• 49:55
  the space is the biggest difference, but that's just
• 49:59
  because I'm living in l.a. population of the county.
• 50:03
  I live in right now is more than the population of Virginia ham.
• 50:13
  How did in terms of like songwriting intern like with
• 50:18
  regards to like locations and stuff?
• 50:20
  Do you find like a big difference?
• 50:21
  Because I found that Since I moved to because I live in
• 50:27
  Manchester United Kingdom, but I'm originally from London and
• 50:31
  when I moved to Estonia a couple of years ago, I felt like my
• 50:36
  creative juices began to kind of return a bit more and I was bit
• 50:40
  more inspired. But when I came here suddenly
• 50:43
  boom, really really kind of inspired and everything and they
• 50:48
  say that there are. I don't know if you believe
• 50:50
  this, but they say there were like more creative places in the
• 50:53
  world places you. Should go.
• 50:54
  If you want to get inspired and staff and supposedly, that's why
• 50:59
  Silicon Valley exists. Because, you know, in that
• 51:02
  particular area, you know, that's where people get
• 51:05
  inspired. So I just wondered where you sit
• 51:08
  on that. Do you feel for example, more
• 51:10
  inspired in California, writing songs, compared to when you were
• 51:13
  back in Virginia writing songs growing up or how does location
• 51:19
  infects your creative process. I definitely, I definitely
• 51:24
  believe in like that. Yeah, there's like energies
• 51:28
  places and stuff like that, not to get too into that, but I
• 51:34
  think that it's also like very personal.
• 51:37
  And like, it could just be that, you know, if I went somewhere
• 51:41
  new, I just feel inspired and over the whole quarantine break.
• 51:46
  I did, and I was able to explore a lot of California and go
• 51:50
  camping packing a bunch and I think that honestly inspired a
• 51:54
  lot of these songs and just me getting out of a space that I've
• 51:59
  been in for far too long and getting to a new space.
• 52:04
  So I think I think it varies from people to people I when I
• 52:08
  first came out to LA I definitely as soon as I like
• 52:12
  exited the airport just kind of felt like okay this is the place
• 52:16
  to be like this is where you're like for music and honestly that
• 52:20
  could have just been me just you know Feeling like okay, I need
• 52:24
  to do this like not couldn't be any, maybe it's not anything
• 52:27
  external, maybe it's all internal.
• 52:29
  And so maybe it's just you know, people feeling people that
• 52:33
  people get but you know, it's a collective feeling at the same
• 52:37
  time in some places just because, you know, a lot of
• 52:41
  people were a lot alike in a lot of ways, but we're also very
• 52:45
  different in a lot of ways to. So I think I totally, I totally
• 52:50
  believe that there's, you know, an energy Evolved to places like
• 52:54
  Silicon Valley because that's where, you know, the greatest.
• 52:58
  If, you know, if you're working in the tech industry that's
• 53:01
  where the greatest stuff for your industry is happening and
• 53:04
  same with LA, you know, there's some of the greatest music in LA
• 53:10
  or in that people here around the world happening in a little
• 53:13
  a that's not to say, you know, stuff like like an Albert
• 53:17
  Einstein isn't going to pop out. And, you know, The middle of,
• 53:21
  you know, Saskatchewan Canada, thumbnail, and you know, just
• 53:27
  rock the world with their knowledge or something.
• 53:29
  But I just, excuse me, the thoughts that you have.
• 53:36
  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean you make a good point.
• 53:41
  I don't think it's an absolute rule but like, for example,
• 53:45
  another element to what I was saying before, is it, you know,
• 53:48
  Manchester has so many Like the greatest bands of all time at
• 53:52
  least as as far as the UK is concerned.
• 53:55
  And I've just noticed this over over the years.
• 53:58
  Like for example, I've had a lot of guests on here from Texas in
• 54:02
  the United States and that seems to be like another Hub as far as
• 54:06
  like music and film is concerned.
• 54:09
  So I think it depends, you know, obviously you get like very
• 54:14
  talented people from random places that maybe aren't as
• 54:17
  populated or whatever. But there does seem to be like
• 54:20
  these hubs not just in the states in the UK around the
• 54:23
  world too. But there's always like certain
• 54:25
  areas you know, like when I was in Estonia is the same thing.
• 54:28
  There was a lesser-known city, it was at the second city called
• 54:33
  third do and incidentally that was where the they had like a
• 54:37
  university there and lots of cultural influences and I found
• 54:40
  out many of my favorite musicians were Eva from there or
• 54:45
  had lived there at some point and stuff and it, I don't know
• 54:48
  it to me. It kind of feels like nothing
• 54:50
  just happens by chance, everything's kind of connected
• 54:53
  in that sense but yeah now I just find this stuff
• 54:58
  interesting. You know I just growing up and
• 55:05
  doing music and then transferring transferring over
• 55:07
  to the recorded things, the I had an experience doing
• 55:16
  recording and the guy we were working with I was trying like I
• 55:20
  didn't know how to communicate to him.
• 55:22
  What I was trying to like here and so that kind of Kickstart me
• 55:26
  like okay, maybe if I just can figure this out for myself that
• 55:29
  I can just do the things that I think just do the things that I
• 55:33
  went the way. I think that I want them to be
• 55:36
  done. Yeah.
• 55:37
  And that kind of started me into recording and just being able to
• 55:43
  do that everywhere. And seeing some of the studios
• 55:48
  and Ela was just That's what recording studio.
• 55:56
  It's different. It's different in different vibe
• 55:59
  in Nashville, for sure, right? Yeah, Nashville.
• 56:02
  But I've had some cool experiences in Nashville crazy.
• 56:09
  I don't know. Yeah, well, I digress from that.
• 56:15
  Thank you for sharing, man. Appreciate it.
• 56:18
  One of the things you mentioned there as we were discussing, Los
• 56:22
  Angeles was obviously covid-19. And I always try to keep you
• 56:28
  know instances of this to a minimum because I don't like to
• 56:30
  remind people, you know we all fucking know.
• 56:32
  We were dealing with it but I do kind of find it.
• 56:36
  Interesting how everyone, you know, adapts to it and how
• 56:41
  people have learnt to walk them work around it and such and also
• 56:45
  just how it differs around the world because Right now, in the
• 56:48
  UK, we've entered a second lockdown, but we've basically
• 56:53
  been in and out of various kinds of levels of restrictions that
• 56:57
  we refer to as tears. And obviously, I'm very clued up
• 57:02
  on America as far as things like professional wrestling and some
• 57:07
  cultural stuff is concerned and with being able to observe that
• 57:11
  I've seen that more and more things are starting to happen in
• 57:14
  the states, like obviously on a kind of Restricted level, you
• 57:19
  know. So if there's an event it will
• 57:21
  be with social distance in implemented and stuff and not
• 57:27
  nearly the amount of capacity that you would have normally.
• 57:30
  But I just want to kind of wanted to know like how covid-19
• 57:34
  has affected you personally and how you live your life.
• 57:37
  And also just in general like what you've seen in, Los Angeles
• 57:41
  like anything, crazy anything interesting, like what's it like
• 57:47
  over there? So for me personally, it hasn't
• 57:51
  been a huge change because ever since I moved to LA, I've just
• 57:56
  been working at the studio and, you know, I'll come home to
• 58:02
  sleep, wake up go right back to work kind of thing.
• 58:04
  So yeah, my and, you know, I'd have days off here and there but
• 58:09
  those days would be just, you know, sleep like catching up on
• 58:12
  sleep and work on music and maybe drive to the beach or
• 58:15
  something. But yeah, I I was never really
• 58:22
  one for like going out and so I, you know, kind of always just be
• 58:25
  at home working on music or doing something just working on
• 58:29
  something. And so when all the stuff
• 58:32
  started it was kind of just like, okay now I'm not working,
• 58:38
  I have too much free time now and don't know what to do.
• 58:43
  But at the same time you know, California has been really good
• 58:46
  about the whole 19 lockdown Dave.
• 58:51
  Everyone, everyone takes it seriously here and you know
• 58:57
  that's in that's just how California is, you know, it's
• 59:01
  like it's just everyone's concerned about it and there's
• 59:08
  always been just like That level of just concerned for others
• 59:13
  here and stuff, but that's also, I feel like being in LA county,
• 59:18
  there's a lot of people living in close proximity.
• 59:20
  So that's something you. If you kind of have to be
• 59:25
  conscious about because, you know, it's there's people you
• 59:28
  never know what's going on in other people's lives.
• 59:30
  So yeah, so it's just courtesy. When I go back to Virginia, it's
• 59:35
  a little more lakhs because there's so much space and
• 59:39
  communities. Aren't you know?
• 59:42
  Intertwining, as much out there, it's like, kind of like there's
• 59:46
  there's a bunch, there's a bunch of people who live out there, no
• 59:48
  doubt, but they're everyone kind of has settled into a routine
• 59:53
  almost at least. I mean, I'm just, I'm literally
• 59:56
  just thinking of my parents who lived there still.
• 1:00:00
  So I'm just like, basically just talking about what they do and
• 1:00:03
  which is like the same stuff every day.
• 1:00:07
  Pretty much. So they've just been living
• 1:00:09
  comfortably, they have enough land I'll didn't spend stay
• 1:00:16
  space from everyone, but did I think it's in that in that sense
• 1:00:21
  that's two different two differences between Virginia and
• 1:00:27
  California also. But either way, it's, it's
• 1:00:32
  always been. There's just less reason to wear
• 1:00:35
  masks in Virginia, because no one's ever going to the grocery
• 1:00:38
  store. And if you do, it's far away.
• 1:00:40
  But I mean they still do obviously, but it's just not
• 1:00:43
  happening. But as much because they don't
• 1:00:45
  need to, it's much like out here.
• 1:00:47
  You gotta drive you're going to block or walk in a block, your
• 1:00:50
  passing light apartment buildings and people groups
• 1:00:53
  people walking on the street and that doesn't happen in Virginia.
• 1:00:56
  There's no like sidewalks really anywhere and within that you
• 1:01:01
  kind of mentioned that. Yeah.
• 1:01:02
  You even pre covid you prefer to kind of you didn't go out as
• 1:01:06
  much, you know, spend a lot of time at home and all this sort
• 1:01:09
  of stuff and I can totally relate to that.
• 1:01:14
  So I was kind of wondering, like do you consider yourself as
• 1:01:17
  maybe like a bit of a workaholic?
• 1:01:19
  I know that word sometimes has like a negative connotation but
• 1:01:23
  I think over the years I've kind of realized myself that work can
• 1:01:27
  be very good for the soul and I think if you're doing what you
• 1:01:31
  love, then you don't even necessarily consider it as work
• 1:01:35
  obviously within everything. There is always little things
• 1:01:37
  here and there like for instance, I love being a content
• 1:01:39
  creator, but I hate sitting there editing.
• 1:01:42
  It's, I mean, it's just, it takes Forever.
• 1:01:44
  But you gotta do it, you gotta do it, you know, and until you
• 1:01:47
  can pay for someone to do that for you, you got to do
• 1:01:49
  everything yourself. But yeah, I was kind of curious
• 1:01:53
  as to as to that because, you know, It can be a source of
• 1:01:59
  entertainment for people, you know, that's one of the things
• 1:02:02
  I've realized over the years about, you know, people that are
• 1:02:04
  really successful super-rich and all that.
• 1:02:06
  Like or you know, people say, why don't they just retire and
• 1:02:09
  live off their money? And it's like, work is so much
• 1:02:12
  more than that. It's like it can be a source of
• 1:02:16
  enjoyment. It can be fair up.
• 1:02:17
  You take it. Can it can even just be about
• 1:02:20
  the experience in life. Jen?
• 1:02:22
  And I mean like the things you get to experience things you get
• 1:02:24
  to do from it. So yeah, where do you sit on
• 1:02:27
  that? I think I when I first moved out
• 1:02:33
  here, you know, starting out in the music industry, everyone's
• 1:02:36
  got to pay their dues, obviously, and when I first came
• 1:02:39
  out here, I was just kind of like, you know, duck my head
• 1:02:41
  down just work as much as possible, you know, he dies,
• 1:02:45
  man, you know, always always do always be working on it and
• 1:02:51
  luckily work in a studio, you don't usually have to bring your
• 1:02:55
  homework, your work home with you. yeah, when when you're
• 1:03:00
  just, you know, like running getting food for people or like
• 1:03:03
  cleaning stuff, you know, you just go home and you're just
• 1:03:05
  like work is totally separate but then you're working towards
• 1:03:09
  being able to just come in record people and leave and
• 1:03:14
  that's and that's all you're doing and so after after a year
• 1:03:17
  and a half or so I was able to just start doing that and at
• 1:03:23
  that point sometimes, you know, your work does, follow you home,
• 1:03:26
  you know, if you're working on Like some something or something
• 1:03:30
  like that, but it's usually not that bad.
• 1:03:32
  But at at a certain point it starts, it's great because I
• 1:03:40
  love doing recording and I love having a chance to just like
• 1:03:47
  Deliver something to someone and try to like understand what they
• 1:03:51
  want and do that for them and make, you know, make them happy
• 1:03:56
  about it. And it's cool to be able to just
• 1:03:59
  like have that as my job and be able to see, like kind of, you
• 1:04:05
  know, create a database for myself.
• 1:04:07
  Like this person said they wanted this and I did this
• 1:04:11
  because of it. So if I ever needed something
• 1:04:13
  like that, you know it's in my toolbox now for my own personal
• 1:04:16
  use. And so I think I obviously at
• 1:04:22
  the end of the day I'm just passionate about music and
• 1:04:25
  recording. Music is like was the best way I
• 1:04:29
  saw to get straight to the point of it and so I really went like
• 1:04:34
  dope head first into that because like and I've kind of
• 1:04:38
  just over the past four years. I feel like maybe I've just been
• 1:04:42
  You know, just trying to hone those skills and trying to, you
• 1:04:44
  know, figure out what the tools that I need to create this.
• 1:04:49
  The kind of output that I want. And at the end of the day, like
• 1:04:55
  all the songs from my project, I, you know, each song was 80%
• 1:05:02
  done within the first day of working on it, like most of the
• 1:05:06
  stuff was there, but it's always, you know, the last 20%
• 1:05:09
  that takes 80% of the work. Because Always easy with that.
• 1:05:16
  Yeah, it's annoying. Yeah, it's and so, you know,
• 1:05:21
  it's just, it's always just been, you know, searching for a
• 1:05:24
  needle in a haystack with these songs, like trying to make sure
• 1:05:26
  it find it find when they're right, or, you know, just always
• 1:05:29
  just just feel like you never done and huge tangent here.
• 1:05:33
  But someone told me recently, that, you know, sometimes 80% is
• 1:05:38
  enough. And like, I guarantee you,
• 1:05:42
  there's countless songs out there.
• 1:05:44
  Countless hit songs out there where they had, no idea what it
• 1:05:47
  was going to be. They were like, it's not And I
• 1:05:50
  don't like it but they put it out and it became a hit.
• 1:05:52
  So it doesn't work until it works kind of thing and that's
• 1:05:56
  for this whole project that's kind of what I was just like,
• 1:05:59
  you know, I'm putting it out and I think over the years of doing
• 1:06:03
  all this recording and just focusing on work has kind of and
• 1:06:08
  then all the sudden getting all this free time has just kind of
• 1:06:10
  been like okay you've got you've been doing this for years.
• 1:06:15
  It's time to just do this now something like that.
• 1:06:20
  Speaking about your free time as well.
• 1:06:23
  I was just kind of interested, you know, what does your life
• 1:06:26
  look like outside of, You Know, audio production and music and
• 1:06:29
  stuff? Like like what do you do to kind
• 1:06:32
  of like on wind and just kind of like get away from it?
• 1:06:35
  Like work and everything like that and just chillax recently
• 1:06:41
  in the past couple of months I have gotten really into surfing,
• 1:06:45
  right? So what is that has been just
• 1:06:49
  that It was over over, quarantine over the past like
• 1:06:53
  before, summer and early summer, I was doing a lot of camping
• 1:06:56
  because it was just easy to get out and get away from people.
• 1:07:00
  And now that it's winter and it's cold or can just go, I can,
• 1:07:06
  I can go surfing like pretty much every day if I wanted to
• 1:07:10
  and it's just right there and it's just so nice.
• 1:07:12
  Just being out floating in the water.
• 1:07:15
  Like not even just now you when you're sitting there waiting for
• 1:07:18
  like some waves come By just sitting in the water and just
• 1:07:20
  seeing everything and just like it's amazing experience.
• 1:07:26
  Just being in the ocean, honestly, and I'm derailing
• 1:07:31
  again. What question will we on?
• 1:07:33
  How did you get into surfing? I done it when I was younger and
• 1:07:39
  I've been snowboarding pretty much my whole life.
• 1:07:42
  So I it just seem like it's something you can do year round
• 1:07:46
  here. Yeah, it seemed like a
• 1:07:49
  no-brainer for me to get into it and I've been loving it so much.
• 1:07:53
  It's a great way to exercise to, that's for sure.
• 1:07:55
  Did you ever get into skateboarding?
• 1:07:58
  Because I know like sniff sniff one is very similar to surfing
• 1:08:01
  and skating similar to serve like they're all kind of like
• 1:08:05
  part of that. The Diagram on they do do that.
• 1:08:09
  I have some longboards. I never really got into like
• 1:08:12
  Street skate or like the street skating or like, yeah, board.
• 1:08:17
  I think that's called short boards.
• 1:08:19
  But I did it when I was younger, you know, I could do, you know,
• 1:08:23
  I don't even I may be landed a kickflip like spicy but it's
• 1:08:29
  snowboarding was a little easier for me, obviously your feet.
• 1:08:34
  You can just fly down a mountain.
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  But yeah. It's so the I mean the surfing
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  is kind of what I've been using recently to just get away from
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  everything and just be in nature for a couple hours.
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  I also do like playing another. I wouldn't say it's a guilty
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  pleasure because a lot of people do video games but I don't play
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  many video games but I have I'll have one video game at a time
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  for like yeah. And so I've been really into no
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  man's Sky. I don't know if you've heard of
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  that, I don't know foot. I think I've heard the name of
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  the game before basically just a space Explorer and it's a, it's
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  a computer-generated universe, that all nice and you can just
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  explore and find things and do. It's like it's like the Elder
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  Scrolls. Like Skyrim or Oblivion games.
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  So open world game, nice one. Open universe.
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  But I've been into that just to kind of like get away from
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  working on things and staring at a computer.
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  I just can mindlessly. Explore space.
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  Sounds awesome as a final kind of question.
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  I just wanted to ask you do you have any upcoming projects or
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  maybe some final thoughts that you'd like to share with us?
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  First final thoughts. Go, there was something you said
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  earlier about how people who don't people who aren't
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  musicians, or don't really like have their hand or in music
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  contributing to songs and stuff. I've wanted to say that, I think
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  about that all the time. And I've told my friends before
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  like, if you if you show like a song, Someone who maybe doesn't
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  necessarily know like what's going on.
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  And their input is almost more valuable than someone, who does
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  know what's going on. Because there, they'll tell you,
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  oh, I think this part made me happy.
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  And then this part made me feel like, you know, something like
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  that, something in those kind of terms.
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  And when you figure out what that means and how to change
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  change, that person's way of feeling, that's when coming be
• 1:10:53
  becoming powerful. I think and just reaching people
• 1:10:58
  and not just, you know, doing making music that Creates a
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  feeling. And it's not just like, oh look,
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  I played this on my guitar, it's a really fast lick.
• 1:11:09
  And I've just kind of like, I went to music school and I kind
• 1:11:13
  of always was around people who are just insane musicians, like
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  the like prodigies kind of thing and I was always into reggae
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  through music school and not many people were as mostly you
• 1:11:24
  know, all the technical stuff and that was kind of like maybe
• 1:11:28
  it kind of pushed me in the more direction of like how something
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  sounds. And how this It affects you as
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  opposed to what the sound is, or what the sounds doing.
• 1:11:39
  And yeah, I couldn't agree more with you on that, man.
• 1:11:43
  I mean, I've met so many and paid was so many musicians over
• 1:11:45
  the time. That would so obsessed with the
• 1:11:48
  technicalities, especially like, you know, because I played Rock
• 1:11:52
  and metal for many years and, you know, it was always like,
• 1:11:54
  who's the fastest, who can do the best solos, who's got the
• 1:11:58
  best knowledge of these scales blah, blah blah, and like, that
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  stuff is all impressive and everything.
• 1:12:03
  But it's Like there's always a limit to that stuff, you know
• 1:12:07
  what I mean? And I feel that yes.
• 1:12:09
  So and and the the depth of a song is so much more, you know,
• 1:12:16
  like here's a really good example.
• 1:12:19
  I've had a lot of people say like, oh this guitarist is
• 1:12:21
  better than Hendrix and stuff because you can play better than
• 1:12:24
  Hendrix and blah, blah blah. And it's like That's great, but
• 1:12:28
  like like every time I put on a Hendrix song, you know, it feels
• 1:12:33
  the same as the first time I listened to it.
• 1:12:35
  When I was, like, eight years old, you know, it's that kind of
• 1:12:38
  and it's not Nostalgia, it's the feeling it gives you, you know,
• 1:12:42
  and I feel that there are many musicians out there that that,
• 1:12:47
  that whole feeling is not, it's not like it's been eliminated
• 1:12:50
  but they focus so much on the instruments.
• 1:12:53
  They don't really think about like how the music makes them.
• 1:12:56
  I feel and like to your point before about it being so
• 1:13:00
  valuable like a non-musicians input being so much, so maybe
• 1:13:05
  even more valuable. I couldn't agree more with that
• 1:13:07
  because they are just looking at it as a list that they're not
• 1:13:10
  looking at as anything else. So, I think it's important to
• 1:13:16
  just retain that and make sure even if you are a regular
• 1:13:19
  musician and everything just just yeah, try to just put it
• 1:13:23
  outside of your head for a minute and just sit and listen.
• 1:13:26
  See how it makes you feel see how it moves you.
• 1:13:29
  I feel that music that moves you in some way is always going to
• 1:13:33
  be timeless. Whereas, your music, that is
• 1:13:36
  amazing and fast and or like, you know, really detailed and
• 1:13:40
  intricate. It can be amazing and it can
• 1:13:42
  hold the test and the test of time.
• 1:13:43
  But I think it depends. I think the stuff that we
• 1:13:47
  humans, were very emotional Bunch, you know?
• 1:13:52
  And I feel that like that stuff is really what?
• 1:13:56
  Tends to. Maybe Inspire us I guess in some
• 1:14:02
  shape or form. I don't know.
• 1:14:03
  I feel like music is hold such a bigger Part of life than we
• 1:14:09
  realized. I can think of so many songs for
• 1:14:12
  me personally that you know, defined a period in my life or
• 1:14:16
  that I connect with a memory or like a movie or a show or
• 1:14:21
  whatever and it kind of blows my mind, how you can listen to
• 1:14:23
  certain things. And it always makes you feel the
• 1:14:25
  same way or it like it really always brings you back to a
• 1:14:29
  certain time or sometimes like I'll be listening to a song and
• 1:14:32
  it will remind me of like a smell or something like that.
• 1:14:34
  It's kind of crazy. How music can can do that.
• 1:14:38
  So yeah, I couldn't agree more with you.
• 1:14:40
  That's super interesting and music music.
• 1:14:43
  Definitely very powerful. Listen, thank you so much for
• 1:14:48
  agreeing to be part of this podcast.
• 1:14:49
  It's been an absolute pleasure having you on the show and best
• 1:14:53
  of luck with this record in terms of you know just getting
• 1:14:57
  the word out there and everything I think it's an
• 1:14:59
  excellent record once again for a final time.
• 1:15:01
  I'm going to shout it out. Please go and check out Andrew
• 1:15:05
  and the moon, what the future holds you can find it on all
• 1:15:08
  good streaming platforms and everywhere online and yeah just
• 1:15:14
  just a big thank you. Then for being on the show, it's
• 1:15:17
  been a real pleasure. Thank you, man.
• 1:15:24
  Glad to have met you. I'm sure we'll talk again soon
• 1:15:27
  and yeah, appreciate my first first podcast, Andrew the moon.
• 1:15:32
  Awesome, well, I'm honored. Thank you for agreeing to be
• 1:15:36
  part of the first time. Also, I wanted to say a quick
• 1:15:40
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• 1:15:43
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• 1:16:30
  I care about what you guys think, that's what I'm always
• 1:16:34
  really kind of drawn to because I always like make sure to do
• 1:16:38
  what I love but, you know, your input does mean a lot to me and
• 1:16:42
  I do try to take it into account whenever I create things.
• 1:16:45
  So yeah, I just wanted to say that but yeah, thank you
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  everyone for listening to this episode of the Christian Reef.
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  First. And until next time, peace out.
• 1:16:54
  One love. I'll see you in the next one.