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Episode #229: Pesticide Immunity, Medical Freedom, and Glenn Beck · Beyond Labels Premium

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SPEAKER_00: We have now developed a decades-long question of personal choice and personal autonomy.
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SPEAKER_02: And it would create a de facto immunity for the pesticide companies.
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SPEAKER_02: We wouldn't be able to update their label.
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SPEAKER_02: And it would also make sure we're practically illegal.
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SPEAKER_00: This is the overlying question.
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SPEAKER_00: Do I have a right to hey everybody?
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to another episode of Beyond Labels.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Cena McCullough, and I'm here with our favorite farmer, Joel Salatin.
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SPEAKER_02: Today we have kind of a fast-moving podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: We're going to talk about several um updates of what's happening in uh the food news um and health news.
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SPEAKER_02: And Joel has an exciting story that he was just on the Glenn Beck program.
0:48
SPEAKER_02: So he's going to tell us a little bit about that.
0:49
SPEAKER_02: But Joel, first I want to start with a quick update.
0:52
SPEAKER_02: We have some good news about the pesticide liability shield.
0:58
SPEAKER_02: The um this was, of course, um section 453.
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SPEAKER_02: It was in the House Appropriations Bill, and it would create a de facto immunity for the pesticide companies because they they wouldn't be able to update their label um to warn people of harm.
1:17
SPEAKER_02: And it would also make um sewing practically illegal.
1:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it would, it would do, it would do for the pesticide companies what um what the vaccine immunity did for the pharmaceutical companies.
1:30
SPEAKER_00: And we know what happened to vaccines right after that immunity went into place.
1:35
SPEAKER_00: They skyrocketed up the wazoo uh with liability gone.
1:39
SPEAKER_00: And uh this has been this has been, of course, uh the brainchild of Bayer Corporation, which bought Monsanto, which invented glyphosate, which um Bayer has already paid out billions of dollars, and they have a whatever, uh a$9 billion uh payout war chest for the I don't know, it's like 3,400 uh lawsuits against them for uh Nodge Hodgkin's lymphoma uh that glyphosate allegedly has caused.
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SPEAKER_00: And um that is still being very actively litigated.
2:13
SPEAKER_00: So they I think they decided that if they dumped, you know, half a billion into a lobby effort to get a liability shield, that would actually be cheaper than than than uh paying out all the lawsuits and just stop all the lawsuits.
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SPEAKER_00: And the the the caveat is the caveat is that this is not a blanket um uh lawsuit shield.
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SPEAKER_00: It it says that you can't be sued for any product that the EPA says is okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So as long as the EPA says um that the product when used according to its label is uh is safe, then that's when the law when the liability shield kicks in.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh um it it's a it's an extremely um clever ploy.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean it's it's smart to do.
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SPEAKER_00: What we need to do is abolish the vaccine shield.
3:17
SPEAKER_00: And and uh in instead of adding another shield, um I mean there there's a there's an effort you know what what do you shield?
3:28
SPEAKER_00: Um uh there's an effort right now among among some um direct market farmers to create a liability shield for directly purchased farm products.
3:43
SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, if you go to a farm and you buy directly from a farmer, so you've you know you've you've sleuthed it yourself.
3:50
SPEAKER_00: No, this is not going to Walmart and picking up an item off a shelf.
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SPEAKER_00: This is where you've gone to a farm either, you know, on a website, uh in person, whatever, but you've decided I want to buy this farmer's stuff that that farmer gets protected that has he has a liability shield uh uh protecting him.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, it um I'm in general, I'm opposed to I'm opposed to all liability shields, uh, but I'm also opposed to um these multimillion dollar uh suits that that um that put the price of an individual so high but you know the US has eighty percent of the world's attorneys.
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SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, so think about that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the you the US the US has five percent of the world's population and eighty percent of the world's attorneys.
5:01
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_00: Talk about a talk about a disproy, you know, if we're gonna uh in the last show we talked about the uh saturated fat cap.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe we need an maybe need an attorney cap.
5:15
SPEAKER_00: You know, uh X number of attorneys per uh citizen.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh take the census and and you know we just flatten the amount.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love that.
5:27
SPEAKER_02: I love that.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's we are a very litigious society.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but yeah, I mean I agree.
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SPEAKER_02: We shouldn't have these shields for anybody.
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SPEAKER_02: And the government is once again just picking winners and losers.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know.
5:40
SPEAKER_00: But fortunately, this one is dead in the water.
5:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, however, however, there are still some states that are trying to create this at the state level.
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SPEAKER_00: So that so this battle is not over.
5:53
SPEAKER_00: It is over at the federal level, which is a good thing, but it is not um is not put to bed.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and some states already have, like like where I live.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and now the thought is we need to keep our eyes out for the farm bill.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, there's other parts of the farm bill uh that are coming up this year in 2026, and there's a thought that they're gonna try to reintroduce section 453 under similar language in the farm bill.
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SPEAKER_02: So we're gonna keep looking out for that um and push back against that.
6:27
SPEAKER_02: That comes up.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, but at least for now, that's a little piece of good news, you know.
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SPEAKER_02: That's it's out, it's out of the house appropriations bill.
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SPEAKER_02: Yay!
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
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SPEAKER_00: That's good, it's good news.
6:40
SPEAKER_00: Good news.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, then there's another, um, this is a time-sensitive one.
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SPEAKER_02: There's another bill that is just introduced to Congress in Congress.
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SPEAKER_02: This is HR 7050.
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SPEAKER_02: And this is to protect homeopathy.
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SPEAKER_02: Um and the and this is important, even if you don't use homeopathic remedies.
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SPEAKER_02: I think this is important because this could be the start of a slippery slope where the FDA starts coming down on herbals next.
7:15
SPEAKER_02: So I think we need to kind of nip this one in the bud.
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SPEAKER_02: We reported on this many months ago that uh it was back in, I think, December of 2022, where the FDA released new regulatory guidelines regarding homeopathic remedies.
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SPEAKER_02: And basically it was indicating that these homeopathic remedies could be pulled off the market at any time for any reason or for no reason at all, because they're now considered unapproved new drugs, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Even though they've been used for about 200 years, totally safe.
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SPEAKER_03: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, but so before that new guidance document, the FDA had placed homeopathic remedies in a totally separate category from pharmaceutical drugs, and they just deferred consideration of them.
8:03
SPEAKER_02: Well, um, when now these this new 2022 regulatory framework says that homeopathic remedies are drugs, and so they're subjected to the same approval process as any other new drug.
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SPEAKER_02: That means that any homeopathic products on the market are actually unapproved new drugs.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, so so illegal marketing, um, so they're illegally marketed, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Because they're they haven't gone through the FDA approval process.
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SPEAKER_02: And the FDA new guidelines actually said that any homeopathic drug product that's being marketed illegally is subject to um enforcement action at any time.
8:46
SPEAKER_02: So this is a big deal because it's if they want, it seems like they've given them themselves the leeway to pull the products from the market and stop us from having access to so this is a medical freedom of choice issue.
9:03
SPEAKER_02: So the Americans for um homeopathy choice have been actively lobbying Congress uh for this legislation.
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SPEAKER_02: They've been trying to get this bill introduced, is my understanding, for about seven years.
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SPEAKER_02: And they're saying that this is the biggest milestone since homeopathy was recognized in the 1938 Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act.
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SPEAKER_02: So they're very excited about this.
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SPEAKER_02: It was just introduced in the House, I believe January 14th, is a bipartisan co-sponsors, a Republican from Texas and Utah, and a Democrat from Illinois.
9:44
SPEAKER_02: And the goal is they're trying to secure a legal pathway for homeopathic remedies to be manufactured and get on the market.
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SPEAKER_02: And um, this would, they're saying it would protect our access to the full range of remedies.
10:01
SPEAKER_02: So they're not going to be able to just pull whole categories of homeopathic remedies off the market anymore.
10:07
SPEAKER_02: So they're having a call to action if people are interested.
10:11
SPEAKER_02: The deadline is January 28th, and they want you to call your congressperson and tell them to support this bill.
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SPEAKER_02: If you're interested in that, you can go to their website.
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SPEAKER_02: It's um homeopathychoice.org.
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SPEAKER_02: So and we'll have a link in the show description.
10:28
SPEAKER_02: Homeopathychoice.org.
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SPEAKER_02: So this could be a big move, Joel, for medical freedom of choice, you know.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, we definitely don't want homeopathic remedies to fall because they will come after, in my opinion, our herbs next.
10:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it will be harder.
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SPEAKER_02: It'll be harder for them to do it because we can grow these in our backyard versus homeopathic remedies are a little more complicated, you know, from from because of the dilution factors.
10:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
10:57
SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, this is just just another another one of those steps.
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SPEAKER_00: Um I'm reminded back in the oh 90s when the American Medical Association tried to tried to make all um nutritional supplements prescription only.
11:17
SPEAKER_00: And it was a hu it was a huge, huge battle.
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SPEAKER_00: And the fortunately, there were enough supplement users on the in the market to to stop it.
11:30
SPEAKER_00: But uh, but that was definitely they were they were in the sights of the AMA trying to make sure that you couldn't take extra calcium or extra, you know, uh anything, the supplement that all supplements, vitamin A, whatever, would have to be um prescription only, which would have literally killed, would have killed the um you know the supplement industry.
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SPEAKER_02: I didn't know they did that.
11:53
SPEAKER_02: So were they trying to categorize them as drugs?
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SPEAKER_02: And so you needed a prescription to get them?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, same thing they just did here.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, same.
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SPEAKER_00: It's it's it's the same boat crossing the same river, but um, but there are way too many people using supplements to take them to take them off the store shelf.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, it would just be, but uh the homeopathy side of it is much smaller.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
12:20
SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, they can they can go over uh homeopathic.
12:23
SPEAKER_00: And you know, the thing is, I mean, you you can easily sit back and and just and just paint all this effort as evil.
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SPEAKER_00: But when you talk to these guys, you you talk to these doctors and stuff, they you know, they they view this stuff as the same as the snake oil salesman that just came into town and I've got this magic elixir fixer, and people, you know, spent their money and bought this, which you and I would say, well, that's okay if they want to buy something, you know, it's it's it's my personal anatomical autonomy, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: I I I get to choose myself.
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SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, it it's the same boat crossing the same river as you know, an elite group of people trying to tell another group of people uh what they can and can't do with their own personal things.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and to your point, it's it's pretty easy for me to understand where uh these practitioners are coming from.
13:22
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_02: Because I mean, these natural remedies have been demonized in our culture, um, even though we use them uh, you know, from the start of the of our country's birth.
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SPEAKER_02: And it we've talked about before that when the Flexner report came out in around 1910, it overhauled that entire medical system and eliminated about 80% of all programs in homeopathy, as well as other natural forms of medicine.
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SPEAKER_02: And that political crackdown on what were the traditional forms of medicine.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and and I will say that sometimes people were even jailed for using natural medicines.
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SPEAKER_02: And that was, in essence, the net the death of natural medicine in America.
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SPEAKER_02: And it did have a resurgence, but this it's carried the stigma that in you know with it that entire time because it wasn't an accredited, right?
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SPEAKER_02: It wasn't a Flexner-approved accredited method methodology.
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SPEAKER_02: And so our practitioners are just not trained in the power of these remedies.
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SPEAKER_02: So it's really easy to understand why there would be a fear of it.
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SPEAKER_02: And also for the pharmaceutical companies, because there's really not much money in it, right?
14:42
SPEAKER_02: Because you're trying to now patent something that's natural.
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SPEAKER_02: So they don't want competition on the marketplace against their patented products, you know.
14:52
SPEAKER_02: But you know, a for our listeners, eight roughly 80% of people worldwide still use traditional or these what we call these ancient medicines.
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SPEAKER_02: So 80% of people, and at one time in the US, more than 80% of pharmaceuticals were actually developed from natural products like plants, you know, right.
15:14
SPEAKER_02: So um, so they do work.
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SPEAKER_02: There's stacks and stacks of uh of medical and scientific literature stating that they work.
15:23
SPEAKER_02: Uh, but you know, there's a stigma against them and there's invested interest um elsewhere.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, and there's and and now in our country, uh we have now developed a decades-long question of personal choice and personal autonomy.
15:48
SPEAKER_00: Um I've I so Cena, here I I'll I'll show it to you.
15:52
SPEAKER_00: I just literally I just um my my rough draft of the new book is done.
16:01
SPEAKER_00: There it is.
16:03
SPEAKER_02: Nice!
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
16:05
SPEAKER_00: Um food emancipation.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh so it's it's on track.
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SPEAKER_00: And I have a chapter there on uh do I have a right to hurt myself?
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SPEAKER_00: Because this is this is the overlying question.
16:22
SPEAKER_00: Do I have a right to hurt myself?
16:25
SPEAKER_00: Um and uh I I got into this yesterday.
16:30
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I don't know if we want to go there yet with with Glenn Beck.
16:33
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, sure.
16:34
SPEAKER_00: Go ahead.
16:35
SPEAKER_00: So so yesterday, yesterday I was in Dallas at the Glenn Beck studio and did an hour and 15 minute interview with Glenn Beck.
16:43
SPEAKER_00: And um it was that's like bucket list.
16:46
SPEAKER_00: Oh, it it was so cool.
16:48
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I got into the studio, you know, and I just looked at him, I said, I this is just such an honor, you know, and and um again, I don't agree with every single thing that he says, but what a what a a a voice, what a voice in the conservative movement in libertarianism.
17:10
SPEAKER_00: And um so you know, we we we had this real long interview.
17:19
SPEAKER_00: I mean it seemed like it was five minutes, and he didn't say a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: He he posed interesting questions and then kind of let me let me go.
17:29
SPEAKER_00: And um and I I and I got on to food emancipation.
17:35
SPEAKER_00: Um and and the the the interesting so so he immediately said Yeah, but you know, they'll they'll say that uh farmers are dirty and they'll get unsafe food.
17:48
SPEAKER_00: Um and and that that's always the first argument, okay?
17:53
SPEAKER_00: But that's actually a very easy argument to uh to uh defeat.
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SPEAKER_00: Because everything else in our culture, well, A, uh if you say that you you have to you have to believe that the chemical industrial food system is safer than your neighbor farmer.
18:16
SPEAKER_00: Which is a bit of a stretch.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean you know, as if our hospitals aren't are aren't already full of people eating FDA approved food.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
18:26
SPEAKER_00: Um, so that that's one just empirical response.
18:30
SPEAKER_00: The second one is that in our culture, everything that's considered hazardous that you can ingest, you know, prescription drugs, illicit drugs, you know, fentanyl, whatever, the the uh the pro the prohibitions of use are comprehensive.
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SPEAKER_00: You can't buy it, you can't sell it, you can't give it away, you can't use give it to your kids, okay?
18:55
SPEAKER_00: Except in food.
18:56
SPEAKER_00: In food, you can buy it, you can give it away, you can g eat it yourself, you can use it for yourself, you can give it to your kids, but you just can't sell it.
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SPEAKER_00: So that is the huge and he just laughed, you know, when he when when I presented it that way.
19:13
SPEAKER_00: He just, well, of course, you know.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the the hypocrisy of it is just so obvious.
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SPEAKER_00: So the food safety thing to me, that's an easy one.
19:21
SPEAKER_00: I love people to push back with food safety.
19:24
SPEAKER_00: Here's the hard one.
19:25
SPEAKER_00: You ready for the hard one?
19:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: The hard one is the health your your personal health.
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SPEAKER_00: Because now that the government is so involved in health, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, you know, whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: Um including, you know, that I can't build a hospital if I want to without a certificate of need.
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SPEAKER_00: I can't uh um if I want to go to a quack, I can't go to a quack, you know.
19:55
SPEAKER_00: But anyway, the the the the interventive um the financially interventive finger of the government in health, it used to be if I uh practiced risky behavior, it was it was my problem.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: You know, if I became an alcoholic, if I used snake oil and hurt myself, whatever, if I made a bad decision, um i i i it was my problem, nobody else's problem.
20:27
SPEAKER_00: Now if I make a risky decision for myself and hurt myself, it's society's problem.
20:36
SPEAKER_00: It's the taxpayers' problem.
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SPEAKER_00: And that to me is the single biggest and and and it's the same thing, see, on this homeopathic thing.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the same it's the same argument that well i i if if if do I have a right let's um even if we agree that it's ineffective, do I have a right to waste my money?
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SPEAKER_00: Do I have a right to uh you know to buy something for myself that uh that other people think might be harmful?
21:14
SPEAKER_00: The the fact is that risky behavior is very subjective.
21:18
SPEAKER_00: You know, I think sending your kids to public school is risky behavior, okay?
21:23
SPEAKER_00: Or or or giving your kids Coca-Cola or you know, giving them lunchables and hot pockets.
21:28
SPEAKER_00: All that's risky behavior.
21:30
SPEAKER_00: Um and so so what what's risky is extremely subjective.
21:40
SPEAKER_00: And so as the govern as the government, and I I think we're very much, you know, we're we're two libertarians in a in a in a a peapod here, um uh, that as the government um entanglement um penetrates our lives.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: There are fewer and fewer decisions that we can make that are truly autonomous decisions that don't that don't affect my neighbor.
22:12
SPEAKER_00: And and that that greatly complicates everything.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: And so so another you want to add something, and I'm I'm gonna go to another uh a related thing.
22:22
SPEAKER_02: Um let me just chime in real fast because you know what I just thought of.
22:27
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
22:28
SPEAKER_02: So it's it's actually putting us in a position to kind of police each other.
22:31
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
22:32
SPEAKER_02: Because because now your actions affect mine, right?
22:35
SPEAKER_02: Because all of our tax dollars are intertwined in this system.
22:39
SPEAKER_02: So your actions affect mine.
22:40
SPEAKER_02: So now I'm gonna, in a way, police you, even if it's on a subconscious level.
22:45
SPEAKER_02: And what does that mean in terms of, you know, you and I talk a lot about um just trying to love and accept people the way they are, not judging them, giving people grace, you know, like that we think like Jesus would, um, including ourselves.
23:01
SPEAKER_02: And so this really sets you up for kind of this um this dichotomy of I'm supposed to love and accept you, but you so you can treat yourself like that and eat all that kind of food.
23:14
SPEAKER_02: And you know, so I'm paying, I'm paying through subsidies for you to eat junk food.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, and then I'm paying again for your treatment, you know, to fix yourself or you know, to get treatment for these issues that you have because you ate that subsidized food that I paid for.
23:32
SPEAKER_02: And now I'm, you know, in that sense, now I'm paying for this medical system for you that I don't even agree with with my tax dollars.
23:39
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, it's almost like this subconscious, in a way, resentment that maybe I'm wondering if on some level that exists and we're not even aware of it when we're seeing people eating this way.
23:53
SPEAKER_02: Like I always say, Oh, I'm a libertarian, eat whatever you want.
23:56
SPEAKER_02: It's your choice.
23:56
SPEAKER_02: Listen.
23:57
SPEAKER_02: But I wonder.
23:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, listen, listen.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: Two things, two responses to that.
24:04
SPEAKER_00: Number one, Teresa and I, who are now very much old enough to get supposed to get uh Medicare, we're not getting Medicare.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: I'm refusing to go in because I don't want the government to tell me what kind of medical treatment to get or what doctor to go to.
24:22
SPEAKER_00: And so we're you know, it's costing us a bunch of of health insurance.
24:30
SPEAKER_00: Now we have we have a health um health sharing ministry that we're involved with, uh, one of the big three.
24:37
SPEAKER_00: Um so it's not as expensive as, you know, whatever, blue cross, blue shield or something like that.
24:42
SPEAKER_00: But but it's still it's it's our single biggest expense is our health insurance, and we're still paying it because we refuse to go into the government system.
24:52
SPEAKER_00: And and so um, so that's that's one item.
24:56
SPEAKER_00: But secondly, listen, if we happen to go to the grocery store for something, you know, toilet paper, Kleenex, um, something, um bananas, bananas, bananas, thank you.
25:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you got it.
25:08
SPEAKER_00: Bananas.
25:09
SPEAKER_00: All right.
25:10
SPEAKER_00: Um and I come out and I look at the carts and I see somebody with five, six packs of Dr.
25:19
SPEAKER_00: Pepper and Coca-Cola, and they put their Snap card up.
25:24
SPEAKER_00: Oh if they're on Snap, they might be on Medicaid.
25:29
SPEAKER_00: So here I am.
25:30
SPEAKER_00: I am, I'm, I'm paying for Dr.
25:35
SPEAKER_00: Pepper and Coca-Cola on the one hand, and then you see a diabetes patch on the other.
25:42
SPEAKER_00: You know, yes, you're right.
25:44
SPEAKER_00: This it it it it creates it creates judgment, prejudice, and acrimony in society.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: This is the this is the the um the ugly underbelly of socialism.
26:03
SPEAKER_00: People say, well, well, libertarian, there, there's no safety net.
26:06
SPEAKER_00: There's no but the other side of the safety net is great.
26:11
SPEAKER_00: If I choose to throw you a safety net, you know, people say, well, Jesus said to help the poor.
26:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he said, you help the poor.
26:18
SPEAKER_00: He didn't say Roman government helped the poor.
26:21
SPEAKER_00: He didn't say Sanhedrin Jewish government helped the poor.
26:24
SPEAKER_00: He said he looked at his disciples and said, You help the poor.
26:29
SPEAKER_00: And so people conflate, conflate Jesus' admonition to help the fatherless and the widows and the poor with that that's supposed to be a government thing.
26:39
SPEAKER_00: He never said the government should do it.
26:41
SPEAKER_00: He said, this is an individual responsibility.
26:44
SPEAKER_00: And the pro and the beauty of the individual, of, of the individual responsibility is that we can actually, that way, there's actually a relationship that we can tell whether this person really is needy or not.
26:59
SPEAKER_00: Uh and or whether they're just uh gaming the system.
27:03
SPEAKER_00: And boy, now that now that this whole fraud thing in, you know, Minnesota, and I mean, it's it it's unbelievable.
27:12
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the latest figure I've heard nationwide is$500 billion, half a trillion dollars in in health fraud.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: Uh all these programs, you know, put together, uh, fraud throughout throughout the country.
27:26
SPEAKER_02: That's wait, are you talking about the government health programs?
27:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
27:33
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm talking about take the government health programs throughout the country, and the latest figure I just saw was$500 billion.
27:41
SPEAKER_00: Uh in other words, Minnesota right now is at the, you know, they're they're at the peak of that, you know, the peak of that pyramid, but but um but the same thing is happening all over the country.
27:54
SPEAKER_00: Um uh I mean i i incl including welfare fraud, you know, all that sort of thing.
28:01
SPEAKER_00: Uh and so and so, yes, what it does, your your resentment word is exactly right.
28:10
SPEAKER_00: I remember, I remember, and I've told this story more than once, um shortly after Obamacare came into effect, that was when I got called to go and testify at a congressional hearing on um on animal abuse in slaughterhouses.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: And uh Dennis Kucinich, Congressman Dennis Kucinich from Ohio called it.
28:34
SPEAKER_00: And um, I was one of 12 that was asked to go up.
28:38
SPEAKER_00: And the reason I was was because one of the members of the committee, um, his legislative aide was a customer of ours in in DC.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: And so he you know, he got me to to go up and testify.
28:51
SPEAKER_00: Well, so I I get on, I get on the metro at the Vienna station, and um next stop, a guy gets on, he's like 400 pounds, he's got a big bag of lace potato chips, he's got cigarettes in his pocket, and uh and like a a liter jug of um Dr.
29:08
SPEAKER_00: Pepper.
29:10
SPEAKER_00: And I remember sitting there thinking, this this was shortly after Obamacare, sitting there thinking, and I'm responsible for his health.
29:19
SPEAKER_00: And my thoughts were not loving.
29:23
SPEAKER_00: You know, I I resented it.
29:26
SPEAKER_00: And and I and and that's what that's what this this societal meddling and everything does is it is it is it is it germinates this kind of of um of meddling or of of resentment.
29:43
SPEAKER_00: And it you know, it's it's it's not good.
29:46
SPEAKER_00: And um and and as Christians, it's it's a tough, you know, it's a tough um tough act to you know to to let it let it go.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: But you know, it it's okay.
30:00
SPEAKER_00: It's judgmental for me to sit there and look at the lady in the in the grocery cart behind me with, you know, five, six packs of of Dr.
30:11
SPEAKER_00: Pepper and a diabetes patch.
30:17
SPEAKER_00: But it's not judgmental for her and others to say you can't drink raw milk.
30:26
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
30:26
SPEAKER_00: Or you can't you can't procure raw milk or or take a homeopathic remedy or you know, a vitamin supplement, or you know, whatever it is, um, that autonomy is fine.
30:38
SPEAKER_00: My autonomy is not.
30:39
SPEAKER_00: And that's the that's the great, you know, that's the great uh hypocrisy of non-diversity that we have.
30:46
SPEAKER_00: You know, we the the the people who scream diversity the loudest are the least diverse, um, you know, gener generally.
30:54
SPEAKER_00: And so, so in on the Glenn Beck program, this uh this led us to um to a discussion about uh a phrase that I've just uh invented as a result of writing this new book, uh, which I hope will be out about August 1st.
31:08
SPEAKER_00: Um I'm calling it decision.
31:12
SPEAKER_02: August 1st?
31:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:13
SPEAKER_02: Oh, wait, wait.
31:14
SPEAKER_02: So this isn't this isn't the food emancipation proclamation.
31:17
SPEAKER_02: It is.
31:19
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
31:22
SPEAKER_01: It takes a while to get a book out.
31:26
SPEAKER_02: I mean I'm like, man, that burst my bubble.
31:30
SPEAKER_02: I was really looking forward to reading that soon.
31:32
SPEAKER_00: Oh well, I mean, maybe it'll be sooner, but but uh it's better to be a little conservative and be pleasantly surprised than be overly optimistic and be un unpleasantly disappointed.
31:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:44
SPEAKER_00: So so um one of one of the things, and this has come up, of course, you know, Glenn Beck and I talked about, you know, current things, this whole uh soybean bailout, this$12 billion bailout.
31:56
SPEAKER_00: That's that's the second one, by the way, in in three years.
31:59
SPEAKER_00: Two years ago, there was a$12 billion uh bailout to the crop farmers, mainly soybeans.
32:04
SPEAKER_00: And this year there's another$12 billion bailout to the soybeans.
32:08
SPEAKER_00: Interestingly, I went to Dallas to the Glenn Beck show um from Des Moines, Iowa, where Tuesday I spoke to 2,000, you're gonna love this, 2,000 um conventional chemical soybean and corn farmers.
32:24
SPEAKER_00: It was the land um land investment expo.
32:28
SPEAKER_00: And um, and they weren't all farmers, but they were there, there were a lot of bankers, real estate people, investors, family office people that represent, you know, billionaire families that are investing in farmland.
32:42
SPEAKER_00: So it was a for me, it was a it was a a bridge crowd.
32:46
SPEAKER_00: You know, these this was a new group that I hadn't talked to before, but um uh the the the guy who brought me, the owner of the company, um said, I'm counting on you to offend 50% of the people.
33:01
SPEAKER_00: And um They're like, no problem.
33:04
SPEAKER_00: And I I did, I did.
33:05
SPEAKER_00: He he told me afterwards, he says, it's running 50-50.
33:08
SPEAKER_00: 50 50 loved you and 50% uh hated it.
33:12
SPEAKER_00: So he said he said we were successful.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: So bless his heart.
33:15
SPEAKER_00: You know, he he um he he got what he he got what he wanted, but um wait, we were you there to try to convince them to stop commodity farming and uh uh go over to grass farming?
33:31
SPEAKER_00: So so so what so what I did, I I just look, I said, what will it take to get a soybean farmer to make a different decision?
33:40
SPEAKER_00: I'm going somewhere with this.
33:41
SPEAKER_00: What will it take to make a soybean farmer?
33:43
SPEAKER_00: Here two two years ago you got a$12 billion bailout.
33:46
SPEAKER_00: Y'all sat around and whined and whined about, you know, commodity prices.
33:49
SPEAKER_00: This year you get a$12 billion bailout in order to stay in business and whine and whine about, I mean, in 2025, all the soybean farmers are gonna lose, supposedly, according to the USDA, the average soybean farmer is gonna lose$100 an acre.
34:03
SPEAKER_00: Lose$100 an acre.
34:05
SPEAKER_00: So that's that set me down here.
34:08
SPEAKER_00: I've I've got the calculator out and I'm doing a bunch of pencil pushing.
34:11
SPEAKER_00: And um, and I actually had hard figures for conversion.
34:18
SPEAKER_00: What does it cost to convert from a soybean farm to a grass farm with with cattle on it?
34:24
SPEAKER_00: And um, and so I I gave them numbers and it was it was quite doable.
34:28
SPEAKER_00: And it it changed their in their profit from a loss of$100 on soybeans to a profit of$1,000 an acre with cattle.
34:37
SPEAKER_00: As you know, cattle are very, very expensive right now.
34:39
SPEAKER_00: Our our herd size is the lowest it's been since 1950.
34:43
SPEAKER_00: And um, and and uh of course, you know, the thing is back when uh Earl Butts, this is this is too old for you, but uh when Earl Butts, Nixon's, I think he was Nixon's, um, Secretary of Ag said, you know, plant fence row to fence row.
34:59
SPEAKER_00: Well, today he could never use that term because there are no fences.
35:03
SPEAKER_00: The fences are all gone.
35:04
SPEAKER_00: Back in that day, even crop farmers would have some livestock, and you know, it was a little bit more diversified uh agriculture.
35:11
SPEAKER_00: Today, there's no diversity at all.
35:13
SPEAKER_00: You know, you're just the fences are gone and it's just um it's just corn and corn and beans.
35:18
SPEAKER_00: And um so I've created this this this uh phrase, I call it decision deficit disorder.
35:27
SPEAKER_00: Decision deficit disorder.
35:30
SPEAKER_00: And and what it is is the the decision deficit disorder comes when there is a safety net to protect you from the consequences of all your decisions.
35:46
SPEAKER_00: So you never learn to make good decisions.
35:49
SPEAKER_00: You just keep making stupid decisions.
35:52
SPEAKER_00: So the world, the world right now is awash in soybeans.
35:55
SPEAKER_00: We're producing way too much soybeans globally, way too much corn globally.
36:01
SPEAKER_00: In fact, almost half of U.S.
36:03
SPEAKER_00: corn crop is going into ethanol for you know for car for gasoline, for fuel.
36:08
SPEAKER_00: We don't even eat it, or livestock doesn't even eat it.
36:12
SPEAKER_00: And so the question is, what would it take for you guys to say, you know, enough of this?
36:20
SPEAKER_00: I'm going back to perennial prairie polycultures with intensively managed cows, you know.
36:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:27
SPEAKER_00: And and and what this is, Cena, the the the problem with the bailout, and again, you know, for for our conservatives and our audience, I'm I'm more glad that Trump is in there than Kamala.
36:41
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm just saying, but it doesn't mean I agree with everything.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: And the problem is that this$12 billion bailout, again, keeps these farmers from facing the reality of their soybean growing, soybean growing addiction, soybean growing decision, that it it's a bad decision.
37:02
SPEAKER_00: It's it's bad economically, it's bad ecologically, it's actually bad for them.
37:08
SPEAKER_00: And until they reap the consequences of these decisions, they're gonna be in this decision deficit disorder.
37:17
SPEAKER_02: And um well, now it got worse with the new dietary guidelines because now there'll be even less demand.
37:24
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
37:25
SPEAKER_02: So this is the perfect time to start thinking about switching to something else.
37:29
SPEAKER_00: And let me tell you, at this meeting, I can tell you um a lot of discussions, you know, the the you you listen to the you know discussions around vendor tables and and you know, in the breaks and stuff, was we gotta get, we gotta get biodiesel.
37:44
SPEAKER_00: We gotta get, we gotta get soybeans you know into diesel fuel.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: You know, look like the govern the government built with huge grants these big ethanol plants for corn, you know, to add ethanol to gasoline.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: Well, now they want that same thing for soybeans to to increase, you know, increase soybean markets.
38:03
SPEAKER_02: And do we have the technology?
38:05
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:06
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, yeah.
38:08
SPEAKER_00: That can absolutely be done.
38:09
SPEAKER_02: But are we already turning soy into some biofuels?
38:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
38:13
SPEAKER_02: Some.
38:14
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
38:14
SPEAKER_00: Some.
38:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:15
SPEAKER_00: Uh that's that's not that's one of the problems.
38:19
SPEAKER_00: It's too easy.
38:19
SPEAKER_00: You know, you just, I mean, man, we, you know, our our technology, our engineering capability in this country, well, in the world, really, our engineering capability is off the charts.
38:31
SPEAKER_00: You know, humankind has never been able to do the kind of things.
38:37
SPEAKER_00: Um, what one guy told me, he was uh, he was an IT.
38:41
SPEAKER_00: He was a I sat next to him at one of the things, and he's he builds data centers.
38:47
SPEAKER_00: Engineers build that data centers.
38:49
SPEAKER_00: And he told me, you're gonna love this.
38:51
SPEAKER_00: They're they're they're now um um experimenting with building them under the water.
38:59
SPEAKER_00: Underwater, underwater data centers, because the big energy problem with data centers is cooling the chips, cooling the computers.
39:07
SPEAKER_00: They're too hot.
39:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
39:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:09
SPEAKER_00: So he said, he said, so we're we're looking at submerging these in in lakes and oceans and stuff so that the water will just dissipate the heat and it'll it'll go out.
39:21
SPEAKER_00: Of course, I asked him, I said, well, what's that gonna do to the fish in the lake?
39:25
SPEAKER_00: Well, we haven't gotten there yet, you know.
39:27
SPEAKER_00: Um gosh.
39:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
39:29
SPEAKER_02: But could you imagine if they're uh hopefully it's not like on Wi-Fi, like you know what I mean?
39:36
SPEAKER_02: Like if it could be Ethernet or something, so they're not radiating those creatures.
39:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
39:43
SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, what what kind of what kind of uh microwaves are coming off of a data center?
39:48
SPEAKER_00: And and and and imagine the um the little um the little capsules, you know, like an elevator, you know, you get in and you you go out to uh you know uh fifth fifth floor down, thank you very much, you know.
40:04
SPEAKER_00: Um I mean it's it's it's like it's like you know um science fiction.
40:10
SPEAKER_00: It it's yeah, it's way way out there.
40:13
SPEAKER_00: But uh, you know, those were those were interesting things.
40:17
SPEAKER_00: The the speakers, the speakers were world-class, fascinating uh speakers, geopolitical stuff.
40:23
SPEAKER_00: Um one one was all about China.
40:31
SPEAKER_00: And um and he said the U.S.
40:34
SPEAKER_00: has 10 years to compensate for China's meltdown.
40:39
SPEAKER_00: Um right now there are 100 to 300 million people missing in China.
40:47
SPEAKER_00: That in other words, they don't they don't know if they exist or don't exist because they're they're population base.
40:53
SPEAKER_00: He said in the U.S., this this is really interesting.
40:56
SPEAKER_00: He said in the U.S.
40:58
SPEAKER_00: when a baby's born, there are many, many touches to to to statistics before that child hits 18.
41:10
SPEAKER_00: You know, you you get a birth certificate, you uh whatever, you get, you know, whatever, maybe you get a vaccine, you know, you you go to kindergarten and you you get a driver's license and you know and all this stuff through these touch, you get a social security number, okay, all this stuff said in China, there's only three touches till you're 18.
41:32
SPEAKER_00: So they so what happens when the data is so corrupted is that um that that that they just they just quit.
41:41
SPEAKER_00: When they realize it's so flawed, this is so flawed, it's meaningless.
41:45
SPEAKER_00: Well, then why even collect the data?
41:46
SPEAKER_00: So that's where that's where right now the the official Chinese population is between 100 and 300 million people off.
41:57
SPEAKER_00: They don't know how far off.
41:59
SPEAKER_00: They just know that it's that far.
42:00
SPEAKER_00: They just they just know that there's a ton of missing people.
42:03
SPEAKER_00: And and China right now is the uh is the oldest average person in the population.
42:12
SPEAKER_00: The average, the median, the the average Chinese is 57 years old.
42:20
SPEAKER_00: So in 10 years, their manufacturing capacity is gonna be gone.
42:27
SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
42:30
SPEAKER_00: And so um and so, you know, he was saying China's you know, China's on the brink of catastrophe, you know, because of their one child policy and um and all that, and it's it's really it's really coming home to roost.
42:46
SPEAKER_02: So I am shocked that they don't track more, considering all the other things we know about China.
42:54
SPEAKER_02: Like you think everything would be tracked over there from like birth to death, you know.
42:59
SPEAKER_02: Um but then gosh, what does that mean for all those US companies that went overseas, like over to China?
43:05
SPEAKER_00: They're they're they're they're they're they're de Chinaying.
43:09
SPEAKER_02: They're coming back, they're coming back, they're going to other places.
43:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're going to other places, they're coming back to the U.S.
43:15
SPEAKER_00: Apple.
43:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh, one was talking about Apple, you know, they're they're investing uh a trillion dollars or something in the U.S.
43:22
SPEAKER_00: I mean, so so there is a there is a massive um you know, a massive reshoring of things.
43:32
SPEAKER_00: It was just it was just really fascinating to listen to all the different uh trends and trajectories.
43:37
SPEAKER_00: I saw enough charts to sink the Titanic, but um uh But the way how does this relate to Glenn Beck?
43:44
SPEAKER_00: You went there first and then I I went there and and and then and then so so coming straight off of there, I I go to Glenn Beck.
43:53
SPEAKER_00: And um, and you know, Glenn Beck is a conservative, um, libertarian really, and um, and it was It was really refreshing to have a voice that big and powerful recognize I didn't know about this ten years ago.
44:13
SPEAKER_00: I didn't know about food additives.
44:15
SPEAKER_00: I didn't know that there was you know uh uh bad stuff in feedlot beef.
44:22
SPEAKER_00: I mean he just went down the line as uh as as his understanding has uh has become revelatory through the Maha movement.
44:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah and he was extremely complimentary of RFK Jr.
44:39
SPEAKER_00: Extremely complimentary and um and and and came across you mean he came across like a like a like a clean food advocate, you know, like like uh I mean he and and and he said this is all new to me.
44:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah this this is and and I looked at him and I said, yeah, I said, how many of us even two years ago knew that the difference between food additives in the US and the EU was 9,600?
45:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he looked at me, he said, no, nobody knew it.
45:16
SPEAKER_00: How many people knew that that uh Snap would would send$12 billion a year to Coca-Cola, you know, and cousins?
45:26
SPEAKER_00: Nobody, nobody knew this.
45:27
SPEAKER_00: And so um, you know, there are people upset about how slow Maha is moving and all that stuff, and and I'm I'm just thrilled with with the level of understanding that's just that's coming out and and it's in conversation.
45:49
SPEAKER_00: People know this now.
45:50
SPEAKER_00: It's not it's not behind the curtain, it's it's common knowledge.
45:54
SPEAKER_00: And um, man, is that easier to start a conversation with someone who you know who who understands that than someone who is somebody who's looking at the old food pyramid saying, hey, you know, um lucky charms are wonderful.
46:14
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
46:14
SPEAKER_00: I mean, what was it that who who was it?
46:17
SPEAKER_00: You probably know this that that came out it was some government agency, wasn't it, that just came out in the last two years and said um and said lucky charms were more nutritious than steak?
46:33
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I don't know.
46:34
SPEAKER_01: Let me look up.
46:36
SPEAKER_00: I was it's it's not been long ago.
46:38
SPEAKER_00: I think I think it was a I think it was a government agency, and of course, you know, Sally Fallon and Weston A.
46:44
SPEAKER_00: Price went ballistic over it.
46:46
SPEAKER_02: Um but it was oh so okay, so the quick thing, and maybe there is something there, but the quick thing, Tufts University developed a food compass system.
46:59
SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
47:00
SPEAKER_02: That's it.
47:00
SPEAKER_02: That's it.
47:01
SPEAKER_02: He says it was partially funded by the National Institutes of Health.
47:04
SPEAKER_02: Yep, yep.
47:05
SPEAKER_02: Um, and it rated Lucky Charms higher than steak due to fortification and lower saturated fat.
47:11
SPEAKER_02: Yep, yep, yep, yep.
47:12
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
47:13
SPEAKER_00: And and that what is there a date on that?
47:17
SPEAKER_01: Um it's not been that long ago.
47:19
SPEAKER_01: Let me click it up.
47:23
SPEAKER_02: Um, this says, so this was posted in 2023.
47:27
SPEAKER_00: Okay, all right.
47:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I said, you know, it's been it's not been that long ago that that that that uh that that came up.
47:34
SPEAKER_00: And of course it ran the Weston A.
47:36
SPEAKER_00: Price folks uh into delirium.
47:40
SPEAKER_00: Um so so the the the conversation, the discussions, the arguments that are being had at these um at these high levels are are very, very exciting.
47:56
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, and that's really the power of the movement, right?
48:00
SPEAKER_02: Like I think you and I both are of the mindset that we're not we have never been holding our breath to see how much they can get done.
48:10
SPEAKER_02: Um, and partly because we understand all the tentacles that are attached to these programs, um, and how slow, slow moving the government is.
48:20
SPEAKER_02: Um, but also we understand that the next the next regime can get in there and change it back.
48:26
SPEAKER_01: Right.
48:27
SPEAKER_02: So we were never holding our breath, relying on them to be the savior.
48:31
SPEAKER_02: The fabulous news is how much them being in the position that they're in and being as loud as they're being has opened so many people's eyes.
48:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like that's the great thing.
48:44
SPEAKER_02: So now we can move the market.
48:46
SPEAKER_02: And I will just add, so about nine years ago, I tried to give Glenn Beck my book.
48:51
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if I ever told you that.
48:53
SPEAKER_02: I like emailed them, I sent a whole box of my books to their studio in Texas and everything.
48:59
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, I never heard anything back.
49:01
SPEAKER_02: So he could have been more knowledgeable nine years ago.
49:05
SPEAKER_00: He could have been, you know, you know, the truth is, Cena, I mean, um I I have a I have a uh just a sliver of that.
49:16
SPEAKER_00: Well, like, like uh when I flew back home last night, I'm on, you know, I'm on a um a flight from from Dallas to Charlotte, and um I'm sitting next to a lady, and right before we landed, um I you know, yeah, I had to put my I was reading a book and I had to put it, well, I was reading a manuscript on the computer to do a blur, a cover blurb for it.
49:43
SPEAKER_00: And um, and you know, I closed my computer, had to put it away because you're gonna land.
49:47
SPEAKER_00: And and she she um says, Are you affiliated with with Polyface?
49:53
SPEAKER_00: And uh I said, Yeah, yeah, I'm you know, I'm I'm Joel.
49:57
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm a huge fan.
49:58
SPEAKER_00: I've been in DC.
49:59
SPEAKER_00: I've you know read, I grew up on omnivores.
50:02
SPEAKER_00: She was, you know, 40s.
50:03
SPEAKER_00: Uh grew up on omnivores dilemma.
50:05
SPEAKER_00: I mean, she just went nuts.
50:07
SPEAKER_00: And and so this happens to me routinely.
50:11
SPEAKER_00: Um but imagine somebody like Glenn Beck.
50:16
SPEAKER_00: Talk about, I mean, he has he he has to have um gatekeepers.
50:24
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's it's hard.
50:26
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I I got a pitch this morning from a guy.
50:29
SPEAKER_00: He's got a new uh some sort of new um biological fertilizer, you know, I call it, you know, elixir fixer for everything that's wrong.
50:38
SPEAKER_00: And I get these pitches all the time.
50:42
SPEAKER_00: And and and you know, and I'm nothing compared to you know Glenn Beck.
50:47
SPEAKER_00: And so don't don't take it personally.
50:49
SPEAKER_00: Um look, I've I I've I've been trying I've been trying to meet um uh uh Dave Ramsey.
50:57
SPEAKER_00: Dave Ramsey, you know, the the um the the uh economy, you know, financial guru.
51:07
SPEAKER_00: The financial guru guy.
51:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
51:08
SPEAKER_00: And because I like Dave Ramsey, but he's always trashing farmers.
51:14
SPEAKER_00: Always.
51:14
SPEAKER_00: Every time somebody comes on who's a farmer, you know, he says, why don't you go get a real job?
51:19
SPEAKER_00: You know, you know, there's no money in farming.
51:21
SPEAKER_00: He's uh and I love him, but but but I I just can't stand every time he has a chance to trash farmers, he does.
51:29
SPEAKER_00: And I would love to meet him.
51:31
SPEAKER_00: I'd love for him to come and visit here because I don't think he knows anything about what we do.
51:37
SPEAKER_00: I don't think he, yeah, I don't think he's ever heard of of the kind of integrated, um, you know, portable infrastructure, you know, direct marketing, you know, all the all the things that we do.
51:51
SPEAKER_02: And uh so is this is just your call to action for our listeners that if anyone has connection with Dave, Dave Ramsey to send them along?
52:00
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
52:00
SPEAKER_00: And and I I've actually um think as you said that I've actually had people here who work for him or or I've done I've done conferences where somebody comes up to me and they work for Dave.
52:12
SPEAKER_00: And I've given them a book, I've given them autographed books, and they say, Yeah, I'll give it to him, we'll be in touch.
52:18
SPEAKER_00: And I've done that three or four times, not just once, but several times, and haven't yet heard from anybody.
52:26
SPEAKER_00: And so again, those kind of people just you have to be.
52:32
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, Wendy, Wendy protects me, my, you know, Wendy, my personal assistant, she screens all my calls, she screens my emails, everything, and uh, and and acts as a filter.
52:43
SPEAKER_00: And I can't imagine the level of of filtering that somebody like Glenn Beck or um and and and anybody who's wealthy.
52:55
SPEAKER_00: Because everybody's trying to sell them something or get them to invest in something or or get or give give to a cause, uh, all that.
53:03
SPEAKER_00: And um, man, it's it's it's crazy.
53:07
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, no, Glenn, Glenn was Glenn was really um he was so he was genuine.
53:13
SPEAKER_00: He was warm um and just completely completely genuine.
53:19
SPEAKER_00: Maybe he'll write the foreword for your book.
53:22
SPEAKER_00: Uh no, I'm having Jeffrey Tucker write it.
53:24
SPEAKER_00: Oh, the founder of Brownstone.
53:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
53:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
53:29
SPEAKER_02: And uh maybe Glenn Beck will promote it.
53:32
SPEAKER_00: Oh, oh, here's what he said.
53:34
SPEAKER_00: He said, as soon as you get he he he loved it.
53:37
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the idea that we could that we could defeat that that we could that we could be friends with Bernie Sanders, and you know, I have this we gotta shut the oligarchy, gotta shut the oligarchy, you know, and he loved it, you know, all that.
53:51
SPEAKER_00: Um and and and the idea that we could actually be friends with Bernie Sanders and declare, yes, you are right.
54:02
SPEAKER_00: It is an oligarchy and it should be shut down, but do it with freedom and liberty rather than the Federal Trade Commission or some, you know, that that you and I know is not gonna do it.
54:15
SPEAKER_00: They're they're they're gonna go eat wine and cheese together and they're gonna come out with some, you know, thing.
54:21
SPEAKER_00: Um, uh as I told him, I said, I said, you know, when when people demanded government oversight over the industrializing food system that got hidden behind razor wire and and uh and and no trespassing signs and asked for government to look over the fence and protect their interests, they didn't realize the government was going to go to bed with them.
54:41
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
54:42
SPEAKER_00: You know, that's what happened.
54:43
SPEAKER_00: And that's what is, and that's why that's why you can't regulate your way out of out of out of what we are.
54:53
SPEAKER_00: You can only freedom your way out of it.
54:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
54:57
SPEAKER_00: And and and he was all he he loved that.
54:59
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that that's his language.
55:00
SPEAKER_00: That's truly his language.
55:02
SPEAKER_00: And he he was all over it.
55:03
SPEAKER_00: And uh, and he said, he said, as soon as your book comes out, he said, you send me one and I'll make sure that I give it to Trump.
55:10
SPEAKER_02: Oh, so you'll get your 30 minutes maybe in front of Trump.
55:14
SPEAKER_00: I I told him, I said, I'm bucking for it.
55:16
SPEAKER_00: I said, I'm not, I'm not being silent about I want 30 minutes with Trump.
55:20
SPEAKER_00: Um and and he he agreed that that that a food emancipation proclamation just it sounds Trumpian.
55:28
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's just it's it it he I think he'd be all over it.
55:33
SPEAKER_00: And uh and all I need is my all I need is my 30 minutes.
55:37
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it was it was wonderful.
55:39
SPEAKER_00: I was uh I was on cloud nine.
55:41
SPEAKER_00: They were as friendly as you could imagine, and uh, yeah, it was it was a lot a lot of fun.
55:46
SPEAKER_00: I don't know when it's gonna be aired.
55:48
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I don't know, they videoed it.
55:51
SPEAKER_00: I'm assuming it's for his radio.
55:54
SPEAKER_00: It was they said it was his long radio interview.
55:57
SPEAKER_00: I don't know when it goes, and I don't know um, I don't know if there are other other things.
56:03
SPEAKER_00: But you know, he's a he's a collector.
56:06
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
56:06
SPEAKER_00: He's a collector.
56:07
SPEAKER_00: You know, he's got you walk in there, he's got uh R2D2 and uh 3 CPO in there, and um um he's got all sorts of of old, he's got a clock on the wall that they've never been able to make work.
56:26
SPEAKER_00: It stays on the same time all the time.
56:29
SPEAKER_00: Uh never been able to make it work.
56:32
SPEAKER_02: Um, he has a lot of historical artifacts, right?
56:35
SPEAKER_02: I mean collects history.
56:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
56:38
SPEAKER_00: He's he's collecting um uh original documents from the Mayflower from uh uh William Bradford.
56:46
SPEAKER_00: And uh yeah, yeah.
56:47
SPEAKER_00: Very, very interesting.
56:49
SPEAKER_00: Um, I have no idea how much money he makes, but I think he makes pretty good.
56:53
SPEAKER_00: He said he he said he bought a ranch.
56:56
SPEAKER_00: I didn't ask him how big how big it was, but he said I have a ranch in Texas.
57:01
SPEAKER_00: Texas, okay.
57:02
SPEAKER_00: Um, and he said I have about a hundred cows, and uh, of course, you know, he loses money on it, but but it it's a therapy farm, you know.
57:11
SPEAKER_00: And he he said, you know, I can see the stars, I can build a campfire and just you know, chill, uh, you know, just relax.
57:19
SPEAKER_00: And um, and so I I I I totally I totally get it.
57:23
SPEAKER_02: So I get to you know and he has he has taken his kids there and um taken away all the electronics, right?
57:33
SPEAKER_02: So that they had like a no electronics weekend.
57:36
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, I heard him talk about how you know the kids complain and whatnot, but then it totally resets everybody and they end up having a great time.
57:43
SPEAKER_00: He told me that I don't know how old his oldest son is, uh, but he told me his son, who he said doesn't like to work, when he goes to the ranch, he works all day just hard and and loves it and just loves it.
58:02
SPEAKER_00: And so it it has been curative for him as a dad, it's been curative for him with his son to kind of bring his son out of whatever nerdiness and um you know and and and enjoy working a shovel and other things and uh you know, building fence and and that sort of thing.
58:25
SPEAKER_00: And um that's that's that's good.
58:27
SPEAKER_00: It's really it's really positive.
58:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
58:30
SPEAKER_02: It's like you said, it gives you purpose and a sense of accomplishment and knowing that you built something, you created something, you know?
58:38
SPEAKER_00: It it it's it's visceral, it's not just it's not just um electronic digits in the in the sky.
58:44
SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
58:46
SPEAKER_00: So uh this has been good to kind of review a little bit of things.
58:49
SPEAKER_00: I I hope we haven't bored people with my my personal uh goings on and running around.
58:55
SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's it's um it's an it's an interesting time.
59:00
SPEAKER_00: It's really an interesting time with with where we are as a as a culture.
59:06
SPEAKER_00: And uh it'll it'll be it'll be interesting to see as the as the year progresses um how things how things go.
59:17
SPEAKER_00: I mean we're only we're literally this week, we're only one year into this, in into the Trump, you know, the Trump regime.
59:26
SPEAKER_00: And um we got three more years.
59:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
59:31
SPEAKER_00: Of course, if if if the if the Republicans completely whiff in the midterms and lose, I mean, I've heard as many as 40 seats in the in Congress, the last two years will be nothing but impeachments and it'll be just it'll be something.
59:48
SPEAKER_00: And uh that'll that'll be that'll be something to see too.
59:52
SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm sure they're they're probably aware, and maybe that's one reason why too.
59:56
SPEAKER_02: They're they've they're going like at mock speed.
59:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:00:00
SPEAKER_02: Putting all these things in place and right, you know.
1:00:03
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, but I'm excited.
1:00:04
SPEAKER_02: I mean, just you know, right out the gate in 2026, we're getting lots of stuff in moving in the food supply.
1:00:11
SPEAKER_02: I mean, we didn't even talk about that the new pilot study of that, but we could do that again.
1:00:17
SPEAKER_00: I I I can do that quick.
1:00:18
SPEAKER_00: I I know we're out of time.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_00: Uh the my problem with the and I I have been asked by media to make comments on it, and I I have not because I don't want to disparage it.
1:00:29
SPEAKER_00: But my, you know, of course, most of the people on our side of clean food are excited about it.
1:00:38
SPEAKER_00: But here's the problem it's all going to be funneled through the NRCS, National Resource Conservation Service, and existing government agencies, which my experience is none of the mutt none of the money they spend is actually helpful ecologically.
1:00:53
SPEAKER_00: They don't put in portable water systems, they won't, they won't let you build a pond.
1:00:57
SPEAKER_00: They don't believe in crooked fences.
1:00:59
SPEAKER_00: Everything's got to be straight.
1:01:00
SPEAKER_00: It's not terrain-based.
1:01:01
SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's a whole host of of things uh that that and so um again, I don't think that you can funnel money, you know, we're we're back to the very um the other thing that we discussed today, where you can't funnel money through and through a status quo and expect the status quo to suddenly uh change all their uh protocols and belief systems.
1:01:36
SPEAKER_00: It it it life just doesn't work that way.
1:01:39
SPEAKER_00: So um so yeah, uh we probably ought to ask a question and and uh close out for the day.
1:01:49
SPEAKER_00: Um I I'm I'm I've been I've been doing the talking and not thinking about a question, but maybe maybe a good question would be what is your sense of a person's right to hurt themselves?
1:02:06
SPEAKER_00: Do you think that a person's right to hurt themselves should be uh thwarted by well-meaning well-meaning um regulations?
1:02:19
SPEAKER_00: Or should it be a um an autonomous decision that I can hurt myself um without regard to healthcare?
1:02:31
SPEAKER_00: Is that fair?
1:02:32
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I like that one.
1:02:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I like that one a lot.
1:02:34
SPEAKER_00: All right.
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