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Harris Surges, Vance Sinks (feat. Gov. Tim Walz) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 1: On today's show, Kamala Harris and Joe Biden call for
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  Speaker 1: Supreme Court reform while Donald Trump panders to Christian activists
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  Speaker 1: and crypto bros with just under 100 days to go
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  Speaker 1: in the 2024 campaign. We are sub 100, boys. VP
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  Speaker 1: shortlister Governor Tim Walz stops by to talk about going
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  Speaker 1: after the weirdos and his theory of progressive messaging. And
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  Speaker 1: of course, we're going to get into why the J.D.
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  Speaker 1: Vance debut has been such a disaster.
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  Speaker 3: But first.
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump is clearly upset he's not running against Joe
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  Speaker 1: Biden anymore. He's still out on the campaign trail doing
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  Speaker 1: impressions of the president and talking about his golf game.
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  Speaker 1: Really focused. He's begun the pivot to attacking Kamala Harris,
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  Speaker 1: but so far it's a bit of a kitchen sink approach.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a sampling of comments he's made over the past
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  Speaker 1: couple of days.
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't like Jewish people. She doesn't like Israel.
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  Speaker 4: That's the way it is.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the way it's always going to be. She's
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  Speaker 2: not going to change. I'm running against a.
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  Speaker 5: Low IQ individual, her.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about him, her.
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  Speaker 4: I got a low IQ individual.
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  Speaker 5: And now that she's in this position, they're trying to
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  Speaker 5: make her into a, let's say, Margaret Thatcher.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so. It's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 5: Margaret Thatcher didn't laugh like that, did she? We're not
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  Speaker 5: going to let her turn the United States into communist
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  Speaker 5: San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: Again, she has no clue. She has no clue.
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  Speaker 4: She's evil.
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  Speaker 3: I want to be nice.
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  Speaker 2: They all say, I think he's changed. I think he's
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  Speaker 2: changed since.
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  Speaker 6: Two weeks ago.
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  Speaker 5: Something affected him.
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  Speaker 7: No, I haven't changed.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe I've gotten worse, actually, because I get angry.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I've gotten worse. So Trump's message is that Kamala
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  Speaker 1: Harris is stupid, evil, and I guess hates Jews so
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  Speaker 1: much that she married one. I guess that's what the
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  Speaker 1: message is. Trump also posted a digital ad today that's
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  Speaker 1: another version of the Harris in her own words attack
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  Speaker 1: about positions she's taken in the past. Tommy, why do
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  Speaker 1: you think Trump doesn't have a tighter argument about her
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  Speaker 1: on the stump?
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  Speaker 3: I kind of think he's just emptying the oppo clip.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he treats these rallies as just kind of
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  Speaker 3: live fire focus groups. He sees what works. He sees
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  Speaker 3: what they liked. And you're right. I watched the Minnesota rally.
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  Speaker 3: He went back to attacking Joe Biden, I think, four
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  Speaker 3: or five times. We were making fun of him for
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  Speaker 3: walking around. We were making fun of him for pointing
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  Speaker 3: the golf game, like all of it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess he's still making fun of Hillary Clinton.
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  Speaker 1: So what should we expect?
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  Speaker 3: Right. We're still locking her up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, Bruce Springsteen is still placed under road.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you just you do the hits.
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  Speaker 1: That's why you go to the Trump rally.
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  Speaker 3: That's what they want to hear.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure the campaign is like testing all these message
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  Speaker 3: in a real and deliberate way and that we'll see
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  Speaker 3: the most potent messages in the TV ads and in
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  Speaker 3: the debates. But right now he's just kind of having
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  Speaker 3: fun with it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: If you look at that, if you look at the
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  Speaker 4: turning point speech, first of all, I went to the
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  Speaker 4: speech because that's where he says, Christians vote one more
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  Speaker 4: time and then never vote again. And I was like,
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  Speaker 4: all right, let's watch this thing and see it. And
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  Speaker 4: I was like, an hour and eight minutes? Jesus fucking Christ,
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  Speaker 4: this guy never shuts up.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, that's a short one.
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  Speaker 3: He said it was about 20.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: But in that speech, at the beginning, he's casting around.
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  Speaker 4: He's talking about the assassination attempt and talking about bullet
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  Speaker 4: versus fragment. He's kind of rambling. He's doing random attacks
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  Speaker 4: here and there. But then towards the end of the speech,
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  Speaker 4: there's a more tighter policy-based hit on Kamala Harris. And
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  Speaker 4: you can see, oh, that's where the campaign wants him
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  Speaker 4: to be. but he's still doing what Tommy's saying, which
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  Speaker 4: is just like, you know, trying out new material on
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  Speaker 4: the road.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's more of a, how's it playing with my
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  Speaker 1: fan club sort of guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just, if the most committed supporters clap, then
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  Speaker 1: that's more important than whatever Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles
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  Speaker 1: are telling them, I'm sure, or putting in ads. What's
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  Speaker 1: your sense, just listening to these events and just overall,
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  Speaker 1: how far along the entire campaign is in pivoting to Harris?
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  Speaker 1: They do have a lot of these attacks in ads now.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you looked at kind of the Trump
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  Speaker 3: twitter feed today it was every hour a new video
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  Speaker 3: about a new subject area so it does feel like
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  Speaker 3: they're all doing what he's doing i mean it's sort
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  Speaker 3: of like trump's the he's the stand-up like at the
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  Speaker 3: small club working on his material before he goes on
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  Speaker 3: the road right like that that i think they're all
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  Speaker 3: in that in that place but it does seem like
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  Speaker 3: they're focusing on just calling her a san francisco radical
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  Speaker 3: liberal which is kind of the oldest republican playbook out.
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  Speaker 4: There Yeah, I wonder, right, like, if he knew that
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  Speaker 4: Kamala Harris was going to be the nominee, is he
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  Speaker 4: still planning to go to Minnesota, right? Like, are we
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  Speaker 4: seeing the last bits of the campaign as it was
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  Speaker 4: envisioned before Joe Biden stepped aside? I don't know. Also, like,
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  Speaker 4: going to things, like, he's still doing things that reflect
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  Speaker 4: a campaign that was in a much more confident position, like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, going to the crypto conference. Like, these are
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  Speaker 4: gilding the lily type places to go. So I think
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  Speaker 4: my question is, like, does his travel change to some, to,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, other states?
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  Speaker 1: I think there's an obvious opportunity to playing up her
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  Speaker 1: old comments, right? Clearly, they're testing this. I'm sure it
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  Speaker 1: is probably more damaging with the voters they need to
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  Speaker 1: win the election than some of the really gross stuff
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  Speaker 1: that they've been saying and that the larger right-wing media
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  Speaker 1: universe is saying. I do think there's a risk for them, though,
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  Speaker 1: in that it is very backward-looking. And so if their
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  Speaker 1: entire campaign... And their entire message about her is look
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  Speaker 1: at things that she did in 2019 or 2020 or
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  Speaker 1: before that. You know, it's useful to them to try
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  Speaker 1: to define her before she can define herself. But I
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  Speaker 1: think at some point there's a danger there for them
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  Speaker 1: if they just do that the whole time, I think.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right. I think Joe Biden's superpower
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  Speaker 4: was that he was so established and so kind of
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  Speaker 4: safe that their efforts to paint him as somehow unsafe
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  Speaker 4: and dangerous, so you shouldn't even listen to him, were
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  Speaker 4: not effective, right?
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  Speaker 3: Like our.
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  Speaker 4: go all the way back, like the concerns about Joe
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  Speaker 4: Biden in the primary in 2020 was that once he
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  Speaker 4: faced the same onslaught as everybody else, his favorabilities and
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  Speaker 4: the poll numbers would drop the same way others would,
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  Speaker 4: but that didn't happen, right? That was his strength. I
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  Speaker 4: think the energy, the enthusiasm, the fact that so much
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  Speaker 4: of the country is saying they want new and normal,
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  Speaker 4: they're trying in this very quickly to try to make
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  Speaker 4: her seem not new and not normal, but to try
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  Speaker 4: to get to the point where people don't hear her
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  Speaker 4: when she lays out the actual plans back and forth,
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  Speaker 4: because we know that if the election is fought on
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  Speaker 4: those stakes, Kamala Harris will win. I just don't think
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  Speaker 4: they have time. I just don't think they have time
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  Speaker 4: to like so damage her while she is out there
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  Speaker 4: making this forward-looking case, right? They just don't have the space.
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  Speaker 1: You guys feeling shocked that the new Trump isn't really taking?
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  Speaker 1: Not only has the assassination attempt not changed him for
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  Speaker 1: the better, but now he's acknowledging it has changed him
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  Speaker 1: for the worse.
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  Speaker 3: It's so funny.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, I saw my life flash before my eyes
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  Speaker 4: and I realized I need to spend more time attacking
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  Speaker 4: my enemies. I'm not petty enough.
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  Speaker 3: There are a lot of days in this job where
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  Speaker 3: I feel like it's Groundhog Day and like we just
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  Speaker 3: have the collective political memory of a goldfish. But even
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  Speaker 3: knowing that, it was still like shocking to see reporters
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  Speaker 3: regurgitating these lines about him responding in a spiritual subdued
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  Speaker 3: way to the assassination attempt. Like, come on.
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  Speaker 1: I will say, to the credit of the press, it
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  Speaker 1: was a lot fewer reporters.
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  Speaker 3: There were a few stories.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people have learned. I think most people
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  Speaker 1: have learned. There's still a few stragglers who were.
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  Speaker 3: 70-year-old men don't change.
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  Speaker 1: Shooting or not. Well, I also think he realized. Notice
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  Speaker 1: at the end of that, he said, well, I'm worse
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  Speaker 1: because you know what? I'm angry. I'm angry. He realizes
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  Speaker 1: that anger is way more important to his pitch than unity.
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  Speaker 1: Like he needs to seem like, the angry outsider who's
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  Speaker 1: mad at the system and wants to tear it down
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  Speaker 1: he can't be all like let's come together and bring
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  Speaker 1: that's just not people will know that's not who he
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  Speaker 1: is and that's not his message you know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah i think that's right also like if the when
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  Speaker 4: he first said i'm not going to be nice it's
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  Speaker 4: it's it has to start by saying i can't be
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  Speaker 4: nice you can't that's not what you need you need
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  Speaker 4: me to be your vengeance i need to be greedy
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  Speaker 4: for you i need to be mean for you you
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  Speaker 4: need me to be.
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  Speaker 3: That yeah i think he has some advisors who are
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  Speaker 3: telling him stand off the edges like leave the mean
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  Speaker 3: tweets part of your personality out of it and you
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  Speaker 3: will reach the voters you need to win this election.
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  Speaker 3: I think those people are right. But then there's always
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  Speaker 3: going to be Donald Trump who's like in 2016, I
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  Speaker 3: did a hardcore scorched earth base only strategy and I
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  Speaker 3: won and no one can tell me otherwise. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to do what I know is right.
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  Speaker 1: He's always running a primary.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I also, by the way, like maybe, maybe playing
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  Speaker 4: it safe was more right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: It could still be right, but it was more right
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  Speaker 4: two weeks ago.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So he did two events over the weekend worth talking
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  Speaker 1: about on Friday and He spoke to a gathering of
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  Speaker 1: Christian activists called the Believer Summit. And then on Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: he spoke to a convention of cryptocurrency enthusiasts. Here's some
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  Speaker 1: of what he said.
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  Speaker 5: We will be creating so much electricity that you'll be saying, please, please, president,
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  Speaker 5: we don't want any more electricity.
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  Speaker 1: We can't stand it.
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  Speaker 2: You'll be begging me.
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  Speaker 6: No more electricity, sir.
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  Speaker 4: Have a good time with.
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  Speaker 5: Your Bitcoin and Your crypto and everything else that you're
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  Speaker 5: playing with. Christians, get out and vote just this time.
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  Speaker 5: You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years,
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  Speaker 5: you know what?
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  Speaker 3: It'll be fixed.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be fine.
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  Speaker 5: You won't have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians.
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  Speaker 4: Beautiful Christians.
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  Speaker 1: So the you won't have to vote again clip got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of play over the weekend. I think even
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  Speaker 1: Cardi B weighed in on Twitter. It went pretty viral. Lovett,
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  Speaker 1: what was your take on that?
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  Speaker 4: So I think people should be sharing it. They should
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  Speaker 4: be spreading it. It does show a total disregard for democracy.
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  Speaker 4: He has made a version of this point before. In
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  Speaker 4: the past, when he has done this riff, what he
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  Speaker 4: has said is, right now, you have to come out
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  Speaker 4: and number that overwhelm the ways in which... I'm just
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  Speaker 4: translating that you have to overwhelm Democratic rigging the system.
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  Speaker 4: You wouldn't have to vote so hard. All of you
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't need to vote if the system weren't rigged and
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  Speaker 4: they weren't faking the election results. So if you vote
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  Speaker 4: this time and I win, I'll stop all the electoral fraud.
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  Speaker 4: And then you don't have to vote as much. That
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  Speaker 4: is the generous interpretation of it. But do I think
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  Speaker 4: he also enjoys that this sets off a round of
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  Speaker 4: he's going to be a dictator on day one? Like,
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  Speaker 4: do I think he is being like vague and anti-democratic
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  Speaker 4: and trolling on purpose?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, what he is saying is obviously false.
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  Speaker 4: They're trying to make it harder for people to vote.
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  Speaker 4: They're trying to disenfranchise people. And so I see nothing
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  Speaker 4: wrong with pointing out that what he is saying here
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  Speaker 4: is about the ways in which he poses a threat
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  Speaker 4: to democracy, even if it's, I think, a little different
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  Speaker 4: than what the more extreme version of the interpretation. That's my,
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  Speaker 4: that's my take.
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  Speaker 3: Tommy. It's a good, strong take. I mean, it could be,
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  Speaker 3: it could be a couple of things. It could be
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  Speaker 3: vote for me or then I'll fix everything and you
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  Speaker 3: won't have to care anymore. It could be vote for
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  Speaker 3: me this time and I won't run again and I
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  Speaker 3: won't care anymore. It could be him signaling that he's
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  Speaker 3: going to end American democracy as we know it. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I'm kind of an Occam's razor guy. I imagine he
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  Speaker 3: was just kind of making a joke. That doesn't mean
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  Speaker 3: he's not a threat to democracy. And so I thought,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I thought some of the reaction was a bit,
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  Speaker 3: a bit high dudgeon over the weekend and, I saw
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of Twitter users screaming at Kate Bedingfield, who
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  Speaker 3: is Joe Biden's communications director, and calling her a fascist
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  Speaker 3: and a Trump supporter because she had a more, you know,
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  Speaker 3: not charitable, but she sort of thought he was not
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  Speaker 3: signaling that he was going to end democracy as we
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  Speaker 3: know it. You know, this is a woman who moved
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  Speaker 3: her family and small kids to a city to work
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  Speaker 3: for Joe Biden to try to defeat Donald Trump. I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, maybe pump the brakes on attacking the modems
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  Speaker 3: of everyone who disagrees with you on this subject. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump's a threat to democracy. this quote doesn't change it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, and here's why I think this is worth
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  Speaker 1: talking about, because again, we are trying to persuade voters
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  Speaker 1: who don't like Donald Trump, but are not necessarily either
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  Speaker 1: sold on Kamala Harris or so scared of Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: that they're not going to vote for him.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And clearly last time Trump wanted to stay in power
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  Speaker 1: so badly that he tried to throw away our votes
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  Speaker 1: and incite a violent insurrection. That's, that's just true. And
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  Speaker 1: there's no evidence that he's changed in any way. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: as he acknowledged, he's gotten worse. So, like, you don't
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  Speaker 1: need to put more spin on the ball than that, right? Like,
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  Speaker 1: that's who he is. That's what he said last time.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of landed where you did, Tommy, that he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't care, right? It fits well with the Biden campaign's
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  Speaker 1: message and now the Harris campaign's message that Trump doesn't
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  Speaker 1: give a shit about anyone but himself, right? He's saying...
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  Speaker 1: everything to anyone that he needs to just to win
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  Speaker 1: right now and then he's like in four years i'll
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  Speaker 1: fix everything and you have to worry about me he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't give a shit what happens in politics after four
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  Speaker 1: years he doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself
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  Speaker 1: right he just wants to win that's all he cares
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  Speaker 1: about right now and like what happens when he wins
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  Speaker 1: anything's on the table right like after what we saw
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  Speaker 1: fucking last time but i think that's where his mind was.
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  Speaker 4: He's done this like sure i i think he doesn't
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  Speaker 4: care i think he doesn't care who wins next time
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  Speaker 4: either of course but i like Again, like this is
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  Speaker 4: just loose Trump having just kind of going back to
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  Speaker 4: his back catalog of riffs. And like, this is a riff,
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  Speaker 4: like there is just a collective, like he does all
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  Speaker 4: these things before. Like people are like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 4: he said thin people don't drink Diet Coke. He's been
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  Speaker 4: doing that bit for years. This is a bit he's
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  Speaker 4: done before. He's saying I'll fix, they steal elections. I'll
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  Speaker 4: fix it so that you don't have to worry about
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  Speaker 4: it anymore. Like that, that I think is like the riff,
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  Speaker 4: that is the bit he was trying to do.
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  Speaker 1: The Christian activist event I get, why do you think
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  Speaker 1: he put in time at the, uh, at the crypto
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  Speaker 1: convention in Tennessee?
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  Speaker 3: I think this one's very simple. It's money and men.
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  Speaker 3: The crypto focus packs are raising hundreds of millions of dollars.
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  Speaker 3: There's one that's like, I think, seeded by Coinbase that
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  Speaker 3: has raised 200 million some odd dollars. And so Trump
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  Speaker 3: wants that money. You know, he knows they spent 10
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  Speaker 3: million against Katie Porter in the Senate race here in California,
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  Speaker 3: and he wants to get all their cash. Also, I
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  Speaker 3: think the Trump campaign rightly views crypto as a way
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  Speaker 3: to reach young men who might not otherwise care about politics.
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  Speaker 3: Some of them are at this convention. Some of them
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  Speaker 3: just care about crypto and don't want to be regulated.
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  Speaker 3: So that's why Trump flip-flopped his position on crypto. He
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  Speaker 3: left office and he was like, crypto sucks. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think it's a good idea. And now he's full-on pro-crypto
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  Speaker 3: because some VC guys in San Francisco had a fundraiser
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  Speaker 3: for him.
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  Speaker 1: Not unlike what he did with his position on the
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: TikTok ban, right? And this is back to my point
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: about where the in four years it won't matter comment
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: comes in. It's, he's literally, he's just saying anything to
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: anyone he needs. Like, and you could see that when
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: you could hear that in the, in the crypto comments,
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: be like, have fun with your crypto, your Bitcoin or whatever.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: He has, he has no idea. Passion for the issue.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: I would, I would like to have someone ask Trump,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: explain the blockchain.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: Tell me about the blockchain.
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: I'd like any of us to explain the blockchain, but the,
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: I also, I like it's, this is like the, the
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: fucking endless perma challenge, which is like, this is also
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: stupid and also ridiculous. But then you think, oh, he's
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: also proposed a bunch of tariffs. You know what would
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: make Trump feel all powerful for four years of president?
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: Everybody was constantly afraid that he was about to apply
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: some kind of a tariff that would affect their ability
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: to produce goods abroad. Like a lot of what he
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: wants to do economically is to put more power in
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: his hands to like choose winners and losers and kind
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: of wield the power of the White House. That is
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: always on his mind. There's so many opportunities for corruption
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: in all this.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: Well, and even if he doesn't decide to like stay
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: in power forever, he's going to want four years. of
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: his supporters telling him how he's the most wonderful president
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: who's ever existed. So he's going to let them do
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: whatever they want. This is why the J.D. Vance stuff
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: and the Project 2025 stuff and all that stuff should
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: be scary to people. Because even if you don't think
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Trump's into that, for the next four years, if he's
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: in the White House, he's going to be like, yeah,
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: I want to hear how great I am. So I'm
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: going to let the people around me do whatever they want.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, that's who comes along with him in
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: this coalition. That's what we all have to remember.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: So the other big topic of political conversation has been
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Trump's running mate, J.D. Vance, who has yet to generate
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: a good headline for the campaign since he was nominated.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: The Washington Post has a story about how people in
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Trump's orbit, including Lindsey Graham, were trying to talk him
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: out of picking Vance right up until the last minute.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Now we're on week two of the fallout over Vance's
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: comments to Tucker Carlson that America is run by too many, quote,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: And then he went on to specifically mention Kamala Harris,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and Pete Buttigieg. Vance also said that people
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: without children should pay higher taxes. It's gotten so bad
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: that even right-wing media types are starting to wince. Here's
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: former Republican congressman turned Fox News host Trey Gowdy interviewing
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: him on Sunday night.
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: Because people are calling me who very much would like
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: to support you and President Trump.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Dr.
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: Connie Rice does not have children. Neither does my friend,
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: your colleague, Tim Scott. George Washington did not have biological
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: children and neither did James Madison. So I think you
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: will agree with me that direct offspring are not necessary
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: to be fully invested in the future of this country.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Of course not, Trey.
• 17:08
  Speaker 7: I do think that being a parent actually has a
• 17:10
  Speaker 7: profound effect on somebody's perspective, and we should honor and
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: respect that. But there are a whole host of people
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: who don't have children for a whole host of reasons,
• 17:18
  Speaker 7: and they certainly are great people who can participate fully.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: In the life of this country. And that's not what
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: I said, Trey.
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: If you look at what the left has done, they
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: have radically taken this out of context and, in fact,
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: aggressively lied about what I've said.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: So people without children... Can still exist in America.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Thanks, pal. Thanks, buddy.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: Wow. Appreciate the kind words.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: How about that?
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: First of all.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: That's compassionate conservatism.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: If you haven't seen the full Trey Gowdy clip, it's
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: worth watching in full. He tells a beautiful and moving
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: story about two women he met and then reveals that
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: they were nuns and how much they were caring and
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: wonderful people. And you have to imagine J.D. Vance is
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: sitting in a studio somewhere. He's got his fucking ear
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: thing in, listening to a full five minutes, ripping him
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: to pieces on Fox News. And the question comes, he's like, J.D. Vance,
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: tell me where I'm wrong. You seem like a huge asshole.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: It was really, really unbelievable.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: What do you think about this?
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: I think this is so politically damaging. Some people choose
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: not to have children and that is totally fine. And
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: that's a valid decision. And to say that they're lesser
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: citizens somehow in this country is outrageous. But there's also
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Countless people who desperately want kids but can't have them
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: for physical reasons, for medical reasons, for personal reasons. They
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: can't afford them. And he's telling those people they're lesser
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: citizens too? Like, that is such a cruel- He.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Said to somebody, he's like, of course, because I think
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: children are so important, people who can't get pregnant or
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: can't have children, of course I feel for them. It's like, well,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: that's not what you're, that's not what it's sounding like.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: You're saying they're lesser citizens.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: But also, you're not going one by one to every
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: woman in the country and being like, now, are you
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: doing this by choice or is there something that you're
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: not telling us? Like, how fucking dare you make assumptions?
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: about every person that doesn't have kids. The whole reason
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: you let people mind their own business is you have
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: no idea what's going on in their lives.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Well, that was exactly Pete Buttigieg's response to this.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: Ridiculous.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Which is what he said.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: He's like, I have two kids. And he's like, and
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: we had a lot of trouble and it took us
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: a long time to have these two children. He's like,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure J.D. Vance didn't know that, but that's
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: exactly why you don't make guesses and broad generalizations about
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: a whole category of people.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: As someone who's struggled to have kids and now does,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: I cannot tell you how personally cruel and painful those
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: comments are. No one is ever going to forget that.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: If you're a woman who's miscarried and now doesn't have
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: children and you desperately wanted them and you hear that,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: that cuts you so deep and it will stay with
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: you for life.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: He also said that parents should get more votes. Did
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: you see that one where he said that if he
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: said what happens is if you should get as many
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: votes as children that you have so that but the
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: children shouldn't vote, obviously, until they're a voting age. So
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: the parents now get a parents with three kids get
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: four votes or two votes and and then single people
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: don't get that vote. So he literally wants to make
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: People without kids have less of a voice in public life.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: He's already said that. He also then said he's sympathetic
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: to the idea that federal agents should be able to
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: track down women who travel out of state to get
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: abortions because it is banned where they live. So he
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: wants a federal response to women who leave a state
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: with an abortion ban and try to get an abortion
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: out of state.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: This is all like, and I talked about this a
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: bit with Governor Walz, but also like, you know, He's
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: also not in the party that's trying to make sure
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: people have prenatal care, people have pre-K, people have health
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: care and access to affordable education, all the rest, right?
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: So it's like, what is the only kind of incentive
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: that they want to provide to have children? Like the
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: fear of their moral judgment is a big piece of this.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: But it's also just this, it speaks to the real
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: mistake in J.D. Vance, which is like, he is really
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: kind of letting the world into a very small niche
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: space right-wing conversation around family where they've been talking.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: To each other.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Peter Thiel, Elon Musk now are part of this.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: And it is a kind of combination of right-wing Christian
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: judgmental policymaking on top of a kind of patriarchal idea
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: of what the family should be, what people should do,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: what's the right way to live, telling people how to live.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: And Once it gets just a little bit of light
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: in there, everyone's like, what the fuck are you people
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: talking about?
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: It's not even, they say it's, it's not even Christian, frankly.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: It's like, as you mentioned the story about the nuns
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: and like, it's just, it's so, it is an, it
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: is an extreme ideology that is somewhat new in the
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: last several decades, right? Where like this, it's, I mean,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: AOC tweeted that it sounds like fucking incel culture, which,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot of parallels. It's totally incelogic.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: He is like a right-wing blog's comment section became a person.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: You know, and like, you're right. He's going in some
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: weird intellectual circles. It's like Heritage, Peter Thiel, the Claremont Institute,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: even more French people. Yeah, people we've never heard of.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Google them, yeah.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: And he's like, those guys are happy to debate some
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: very out there political ideas because they don't have any
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: consequences because they're not running for anything. But J.D. Vance
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: kind of like dabbles in that and he leaves this
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: long paper and audio trail. And you got to wonder, like,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: how much of this did the Trump campaign find or vet?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I'm sure not all of it. So he says that
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: childless people, quote, hate normal Americans for choosing a family.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: And now his defense is, he's like, well, Kamala Harris
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: is anti-family. The Democratic Party is anti-family, anti-children. There is
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: bipartisan legislation, to your point, to extend the child tax
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: credit that's stuck in the Senate where J.D. Vance works
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: right now because Republicans did not want to give Joe
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Biden and Kamala Harris an election year win on the issue.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: This passed the House overwhelmingly. Republicans and Democrats, it got
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: to the Senate, and they were like, oh, it's April,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: it's spring, it's getting too close to the election. We
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: want to cancel. So they care about rewarding families with
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: kids and giving families with kids a break so much
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: that they just, like, stuck this thing that they're for
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: in the Senate because they didn't want it. Same thing
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: with the fucking immigration deal. It's just bullshit.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: It also, by the way, like, it just also just
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: goes to, like, the judgmental, invasive kind of politics this is.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Because one thing that J.D. Vance has talked about is
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: that how much, like, he is more in favor, according
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: to his own words, a child tax credit than he
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: is to universal childcare, right? Because universal childcare subsidizes parents
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: who work, right? And that he would rather subsidize, he
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: would be still stuck in the Senate because Republicans, but
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: that like, oh, if you want that, like he wants
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: to encourage a traditional structure, right? So like universal childcare
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: is a kind of like way of appeasing kind of
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: the left and like liberal people, especially liberal women. And
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: it kind of just gets to this like kind of
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: worldview about like the left that he's kind of unable
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: to stop himself from espousing.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: What does the Trump campaign do about J.D.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Vance?
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Like what?
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: J.D.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: 's in a tough spot because like the number one
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: rule for Trump is you cannot back down and look weak.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: But boy, should he be backing down and conceding some
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: things and being like, I messed up. I was wrong
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: about this. But he's just bulldogging ahead. And like, like
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Lovett mentioned earlier, like you have Republicans like Trey Gowdy
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: basically begging him to clean this up. You've got Ben
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Shapiro criticizing him. You've got Dave Portnoy, the head of
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Barstool Sports being like, who is this idiot? How the
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: hell did this guy get on the ticket? And like-
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Fox and Friends, Brian Kilmeade was saying it too. They just,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: they can't seem to fix it. So it seems to
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: me like they're just going to attack Harris, wait for
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: the next news cycle, hope it all moves on. But man,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: like this guy is getting defined. JD Vance is getting
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: defined in this first couple of weeks. And it's entirely negative.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: And we're not even having a conversation about how the
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: He is manifestly unqualified for the job.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: And the fact that it got to the reason I
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: brought up Fox and Friends is, you know, Trump is
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: seeing this now.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, yes.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: You know, he is seeing some of this criticism. And
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the only thing that has surprised me. we're recording this
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: on Monday, is that we have not seen a leak
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: yet that Trump is pissed.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: To a donor, to a friend, then it'll be at
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: a rally.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: You know it's coming, right? I'm shocked that we haven't.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Heard it yet. Don Jr. is getting some calls.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the other problem, right, is that, okay, so there's
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: all these recordings that are floating out there. He's then
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: doing a bad job of cleaning them up when he's
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: doing a round of interviews. You could maybe say, all right,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: no more interviews. We got to get this guy on
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: the stump. He's doing a bad job on the stump.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Like the fact that his convention speech was so disappointing,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: the rally speeches he's been giving, they are plodding, not
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: very well done, not very, he's just not that great.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: He moves too slow. So like what you would say
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: is just get this guy out there, get him with
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: a 10, 15 minute tight, good stump with a few
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: new sharp hits on Kamala Harris or whoever the VP
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: pick is. But man, it's hard for this guy to
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: run from this when he's just so unappealing in every setting.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: He's also doing a lot of training wheel stuff. He's
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: doing interviews with Trump.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: What a waste of time.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: It's also the challenge of the Trump Republican Party trying
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: to rebrand itself as the Workers' Party, right? Even if
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: you decide to pivot from the tax cuts for the
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: rich and the deregulation agenda and all that bullshit, they
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: are so obsessed with the weird cultural shit that even
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: if they have an economic populist story to tell, like J.D.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Vance ostensibly does and has in Hillbilly Elegy and since then,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: like it's just going to get lost because they have
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: all these other crazy ideas on cultural issues that are
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: so out of step with mainstream America that that's going
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: to get the attention, right? And so like J.D. Vance
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: could go give some stump about like how you know,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: President Biden, Kamala Harris overlooked Ohio and Michigan and Wisconsin
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and look at all these, like, but it's not going
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: to get any attention because he's written all these things
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: and said all these things in the past that just
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: make him fucking weird.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: He's a weirdo.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: He's a weirdo. Let's talk about our Democratic nominee, Vice
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: President Kamala Harris on Monday. She endorsed President Biden's brand
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: new proposal for Supreme Court reform, which includes 18 year
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: term limits for justices, an enforceable ethics code and a
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: constitutional amendment that would strip away criminal immunity for former presidents.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: The Harris campaign also needled the Trump campaign over their
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: refusal to commit to the debate they had already agreed to.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: And the campaign put out a statement saying Harris will
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: be at the ABC debate on September 10th, whether or
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: not Trump is there. Clearly, the energy and enthusiasm for
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Harris is unlike anything we've seen in politics for a
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: very long time, which is great. They've raised over $ 200 million.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: They're reportedly going up on the air this week. And
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Harris will be on the campaign trail in Atlanta Tuesday
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: for the first time since she was in Milwaukee last week.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: What's your sense of how the overall strategy is coming together?
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I like that they're going on offense. The original frame
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: was kind of prosecutor versus convicted felon. I think the
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: bigger picture message is future versus the past. Which is
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: incredibly refreshing to hear. And obviously, for obvious reasons, Joe
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Biden couldn't really credibly be the one delivering that message.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: But he also wasn't great at laying out the second
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: term agenda. And she has seized that mantle and done
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: so very quickly. Now, both she and Biden are talking
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: about this court reform stuff that I love. Because who
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: doesn't support an 18-year term limit and a binding ethics code?
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I bet those poll extremely well.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Through the roof.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: At a time when the faith in institutions is going down,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: including the courts, like it's a great idea. She's also,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: I think very quickly walking back some positions from the
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: 2020 primary that her team feels like are too progressive
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: or too liberal. And that's going to bum out some Democrats,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: but it's probably a necessary move.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I just sketched that shit.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: You have the best position for the general election, but
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: it's smart to do that quickly. Just rip that bandaid off. Yeah.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: We haven't, we like, I don't know. It's just like
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: been a, it's been a week.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: And I just, we've said it, what's happening is extraordinary.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: The like sophistication and like of the campaign, the amount
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: that they've been able to mount, but like the videos,
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: the digital strategy, the speeches she's giving, the tone, the
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: fact that it like feels like coherent national campaign with
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: like a clear overall message. Like that is an extraordinary achievement.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Like we're watching unfold. And like, I just, I like
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: think like, all right, you know, two weeks ago, this
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: enthusiasm was not there, right? Like, how do we make
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: most of that enthusiasm in this moment, right? Not just
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: with fundraising, but like, there's some, you know, we, we were,
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: we were talking about this before recorded, but just that
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden, like there, there's all these people
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: on like places like Tik TOK talking about how like, Hey,
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: you know, we may not agree with her and everything.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: And yeah, she may be walking back some of these positions,
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: but we're all coming together to do this in November.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: We can protest in January. We can be frustrated, but,
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: anybody that's not getting on board this train right now
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: is not understanding the stakes. And like, what is the
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: vibe shift worth? I don't think we know yet, but
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: it's just been so reassuring to even see that change.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: You know, I've seen a few comments like people being
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: nervous that they're not up on TV yet, or like,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: is she not on the road more and stuff like that.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I've just seen a few of them here and there,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: not much. But I like, I don't think people understand, like,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: no one has ever built a plane in the air
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: like this with less than 100 days to go on
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: a campaign, a presidential campaign. Like, Usually in a presidential campaign,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: when you just start out your campaign, which she did
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: as the presidential candidate, you do like months of meetings
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: with strategists and advisors. That's why you're not on the road.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: You're not like taking vacation. Like you're sitting there with,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: and you road test a stump speech, right? And then
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: you refine the stump speech. And that takes like, for Obama,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: that took us between, I don't know, February of 2007
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: to October to get it right.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, and he was bad for a while.
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: Terrible.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: He was really bad. There was at one point where
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Paul Tuzor, our state director, was like, maybe we shouldn't
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: have him back in Iowa for a while because this
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: is not going well. It was awful.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: Remember that we were all in Iowa. You guys were
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: obviously for Obama. But both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: were giving these one-hour talks. meandering stump speeches, one hour plus,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: because they were getting questions and then trying to answer
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: every question in their long speeches. So maybe there's some
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: advantage to not having them.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: You have to test a bunch of ads, right? Before
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: you just do the ads, you want to test them
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: to see if they work, to see if they resonate,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: if you're going to spend that much money. I mean,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: there's so much to do. And the fact that they
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: have done this much with the help of, you know,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: everyone else being really excited in a week's time is
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: just mind boggling. It's mind boggling. So it's like, you know,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I do think on the Supreme Court reforms, those are great.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: people should just know that it is very unlikely to
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: happen without 60 votes in the Senate or a Democratic
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: House or 51 senators who are willing to get rid
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: of the filibuster for these reforms. I do think the
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: constitutional amendment to get rid of criminal immunity for former presidents,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: which is now there thanks to the Supreme Court, is,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, constitutional amendments are, like, the bar is so high.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: It's two-thirds of both houses of Congress. It's three-fourths of
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the state legislatures. You know, that's But good for Joe
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Biden for laying down this marker, which he had said
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: he was going to do before he left the race.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: And good for Kamala Harris to lay down the marker
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: because filibuster reform started years ago when we only had
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: a few senators saying they were willing to do it.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: And now it's like everyone but Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: So that's what you do. Back to the point about
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: enthusiasm and donations. How much do you think that matters
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: right now?
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: I think the money and the volunteers are very real.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: And I do like, I'm with you that It's silly,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: I think, to criticize them for not being on TV
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: right now. But I do hope they're up soon because
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: we are in a race to define Kamala Harris before
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Republicans try to define her their way. And so you
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: can get a bunch of TV ads on. You can
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: get these new volunteers at the doors to backstop those
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: ads with conversations with people. Most people just don't know
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: much about Kamala Harris. And that's the truth. She's the
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: vice president, but a lot of people won't know much
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: about her. So getting ahead of these negative attacks is
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: hugely important.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: I also like there's been so much value to having
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: a candidate who is not just like we have now
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: have someone that is kind of taking the fight to Trump.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: And I do think that in ways that are very
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: hard to measure, I think that's inspired a lot of
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: people to just say what they think more, right? Like, yes,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: there are people out there auditioning to be vice president.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: You're going to hear from one in a minute. But
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: I also just think there's been a kind of collective
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: realization that all of us, I think because of a
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: feeling of like concern, a feeling of anxiety, a feeling of,
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know, being dispirited, like all of us were
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: collectively not fighting hard enough. And I think that that's
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: incredibly valuable. And another point that the governor makes is
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: just about, why are we losing some of these disaffected people? Well,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: some part of it is that people just want to
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: be part of a winning team, a team of people
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: that are excited to be on that team. And that
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: enthusiasm gap was real. There were people that are extremely
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: excited for Donald Trump, and we just didn't have that
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: on our side. And now we do, and we'll see
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: what the ultimate value is. But man, is it nice
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: to see.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, You can make an argument that an
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: enthusiastic voter and an unenthusiastic voter, both of them voting
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: for your candidate, the vote counts the same, right?
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: I get that.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: But we were in a situation with Biden where the
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: polls consistently showed that younger voters, especially younger black and
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: brown voters, were just not enthusiastic and maybe weren't ready
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: to back Biden. And the Biden campaign's argument was, you
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: know what? They're not enthused now. They will come home
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: in November.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Maybe, right?
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: But in a close race... We were in a situation
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: then where there was a legitimate case to be made
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: that a low turnout election might help Democrats because if
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: it looked more like a midterm electorate or a special electorate,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: then it was going to benefit Joe Biden. I don't
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: think we're in that situation anymore because now Democrats can
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: actually focus on registering and turning out excited voters who
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: otherwise may have stayed home. And having this many volunteers
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: means you can have that many more conversations with people
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: who like, weren't going to vote for Kamala Harris or
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: weren't going to vote for Donald Trump, maybe weren't going
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: to vote at all. And now you can have more
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: conversations and they see that their friends are excited and
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I want to hear more about that.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Like it does build, especially in a close race.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: I think if we're being honest, the 2020 election was
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: an anti-Trump coalition that came together to defeat him. It
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: was not a pro-Joe Biden coalition. Maybe we could have
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: brought back that anti-Trump coalition this cycle. But I think, frankly,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: we're in a much better position because we're giving people
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: something to be for and something to be excited about.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: And that's what was missing.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: We talked about how she should respond to Trump's attacks.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: We talked about it last episode. Like, how do you
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: think she should be going on offense? And what do
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: you think the campaign should be doing between now and
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: when they announce the VP, which will likely be next
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: week at some point, according to their timeline?
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good question.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: You know, like, you sort of look like what's sort
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: of breaking through and, you know, the renaissance of their
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: weird has been interesting to watch, a kind of new
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: take on, like, the challenge, right, is like, Trump, even
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: when he says something terrible, it's very it's almost always
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: something terrible. He said some version of before. It's like,
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: how do you make Trump feel new and interesting to
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: be covered? I think new language like we've seen has
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: been doing that. I think having all these different VP
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: candidates vying has been doing that. I think as she's
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: hitting the road, like, you know, we talked about, you know,
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: what she's not been able to do or she like,
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: you know, they're currently working on a convention speech. without
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: the like year of trying stuff, just trying different versions
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: of riffs, trying different versions of attacks, trying different versions
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: of lines. But the plus side of that, right, is
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: every time she speaks and tries something new, it is new, right?
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Like it's a new attack. It's a new take on Trump.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: It's a new way of her campaigning. And I think
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: that's like a real, that's a cool thing about this moment.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, you hate to make any campaign about just
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: like winning the news cycle because it's about bigger than that,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: but with less than 100 days left. The reason the J.D.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Vance stuff is so valuable is because now We could
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: have had a week about Kamala Harris and the Trump
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: campaign attacking her. And instead, we had a week about J.D.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Vance.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: She also has, remember, at the beginning of a campaign,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: in a general election campaign, you do all of your
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: policy rollouts, if you're the candidate, in the spring. And
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: she hasn't done any of that yet. And look, a
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: lot of her policy will be similar to what Joe
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Biden has already proposed, but she's going to get to
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: eat up some news cycles and get some attention proposing
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: new policies. So she'll have that. She'll have the convention.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: And I do think to the point about needing new information,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: if she can pivot to, because she's got to go
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: on offense against Trump, if she can pivot to talking
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: about what Trump will do in the second term, that's
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: new information for voters. And I think that if she
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: wants to make news about Trump, you're going to have
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: a better chance making news talking about what he's planning
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: than talking about everything people know about Trump already and
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: his character and all that.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I also think one thing that Obama was really good
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: at in 2007, 2008 was delivering a hit as a
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: joke or with humor generally to like soften it and
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: also make it more interesting. And, you know, Biden, I think,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: struggled to do that recently. You know, he seemed defensive
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: and angry at times. Kamala Harris is very good at
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: delivering a hit while laughing. And I think the calling
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Republicans weird narrative just perfectly folds into that. Just they
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: are weird. Project 2025 is weird. Calling the Jan 6
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: insurrectionists hostages and playing their song is weird. Cueing on
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: is weird. Bringing that all up is worth it.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I even think that when she does the prosecutor versus
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: felon riff, there's a way to do that where you
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: sound like, like your fingers pointing angry kind of thing.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: And she, when she delivered, I know his type.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Like it was the exact right tone.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: I wonder too, like, like, you know, just like good
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: old fashioned. Donald Trump said at an event over the
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: weekend that I'm not going to have that, that we're
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: not going to have to vote anymore. Would you want
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: to have the vice president at her next stampede. Like,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: did you see this? Here's what Donald Trump said, that
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: this is going to be the last election because he's
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: not going to have you vote anymore. Like, that's because
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: he's scared of your vote. Like, would you be out
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: there kind of like trying to make news cycles out
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: of the weird new things you can kind of grab
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: from his speech?
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: I think the answer is yes. Yeah, for sure. Definitely.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: I also think there's just a broader point. Like, Trump
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: is a celebrity. He's larger than life. He's still this
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: kind of like New York character from The Apprentice in
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: some ways. But electing him empowers people like Speaker Mike
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Johnson who, Who sends his son a weekly update on
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: his porn viewing to prevent masturbation. Yeah. That's a real
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: thing that happens in this world. That's weird.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: It's weird.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: No one wants that. No one wants that person to
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: be empowered and part of this governing coalition. J.D.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Vance is the embodiment of Project 2025. right? The whole
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Project 2025, it's been landing with voters. And I talked
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: to Sarah Longwell about this wilderness over the weekend. It's
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: been coming up organically and focus groups. And part of
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: it is this conspiratorial nature. We've talked about this. Now
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: you have J.D. Vance, who like everything about him is
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Project 2025, including all of the weird shit. And it
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: just makes it easier to, I think, effectively communicate the
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: stakes of the election and what's going to happen because
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: you're like, Trump, whether he cares or not about this shit, J.D.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Vance is going to be the vice president and he's
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: going to be sitting there implementing all the crazy Project
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: 2025 shit.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like the villain from the Da Vinci Code
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: wearing a tech vest, like Elon Musk. You put that
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: guy in the tech vest. It's like the worst of
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: kind of like old, like kind of revanchist, traditional... like
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: mores and laws to control people and like the tech
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: fucking bureaucratic technocratic control. I put those fucking things together.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: Got a pretty gross dude.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Get that guy on the psychiatrist couch, you know? Hey,
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: learn a lot of things.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: He's like, I'm having trouble concentrating because of the couch.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: This is an attractive couch.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm going to cushion those remarks.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Hey, yeah.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: So, so close sofa.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: We should pull out of this one.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: To the point about Trump, Tommy, and how he's like
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: the celebrity, well-known, everyone knows everything about him. And also
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: your point about past versus future. Like, I think that
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: in mocking Trump. a little bit of like, aren't we
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: sick of this by now? The act is getting old.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Did you see that? Like the Trump act is just
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: getting old.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: Did you see the rally the other day.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: When he was like, they made fun of me and
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: I hate getting made fun of? Yes.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes, he does.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: He tells us everything.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: And you know what he hates the most in terms
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: of getting made fun of is irrelevance. The idea of
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: irrelevance or that like he's not cool or that he's
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: yesterday's news.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: He's boring. He's boring.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: He's old.
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: Annoying.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: It's not like the Trump is senile thing that everyone's
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: pushing around on Twitter. I don't think that people buy
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: that as much. It's like, The guy, it's just, we're
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: so tired of this. It's like the same blah, blah, blah.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Like you said, the same hits.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: The blah, blah, blah.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, we're going to get the shark thing. We're going
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: to get the Hannibal Lecter thing. And we're not like
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: upset about it. We're just like, enough with this fucking guy.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: The drama and just the endless noise.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Shays and shays of the same speeches.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: No, it's just, it's.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I keep, someone in the. Did you look up synonyms
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: for county?
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: I did, yeah.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Of course, of course. Someone in one of the focus
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: groups who's a swing voter. Trump-Biden swing voter, he was like,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: you know, the problem with Trump is it's just like,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: we know what we're going to get. It's just a
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: rerun for four more years. And I'm like, yeah, someone
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: should use that. That's a good line.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: It is like a rerun.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: It is like a rerun.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: We're getting fucking Celebrity Apprentice reruns for another four years.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: We have seen it.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: And it's not new to us.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my thing. All right. Speaking of VP picks,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: when we come back from the break, you'll hear Lovett's
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: conversation with Governor Tim Walz. Before we get to that, though,
• 42:23
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• 42:27
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• 42:29
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• 42:53
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• 43:07
  Speaker 4: Beyond serving as governor of the great state of Minnesota
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: and chair of the Democratic Governors Association, our guest today
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: is also rumored to be under consideration to serve as
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: Kamala Harris's vice presidential pick. Welcome back to the show,
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Governor Tim Walz. Hey, John.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Good to be back on.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: Great to have you. Governor Walz, no disrespect here, but
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: a matter of days ago, you were basically unknown on
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: the national stage. Now a good chunk of the internet
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: knows what rides you went on at the state fair
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: last year. Where the fuck have you been?
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Doing my job out here. I'm just plugging away and hibbing. Yeah,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: just doing the work.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Vice president gets dangled in front of you, suddenly you're
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: like one of the best messengers in the party. Where
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: we needed you.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was coaching those football teams, plugging away. No,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: it's get some observations. Look, there's joy all over the place.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: The vice president blew the lid off this thing and
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: it feels like a spell's broken. So I'm excited.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you said that as part of this new uh,
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: joy and enthusiasm that your kids who are 17 and
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: 23 told you TikTok was on TikTok was on TikTok. I'm,
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: I'm a hundred years old that TikTok TikTok is on
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: fire with enthusiasm. Are they your Gen Z whispers?
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: They are.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: They are.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: My, my daughter, especially she's a good one. I'll have
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: to say she's a, she's out in Montana, um, social worker, but, uh, she's,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: she's in tune to it. I listened to her, uh,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I get her work ethic, the things she cares about.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: And look, these guys have been through a lot, quite seriously.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: You know, when they were kids, they went through the
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Great Recession. Their COVID babies, you know, missed out on
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: things there. And then they're coming out of this and
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: they're seeing, you know, Trump bring back this horrific message
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: and they're done with it. I think I'm feeling it.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: This is their first time to really feel a campaign
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: that's enthusiastic. That's what I see.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: So, you know, speaking of, uh, the seriousness, uh, that
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: they've experienced, you have talked about changing your views on, uh,
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: gun safety in part because of the urging of your daughter.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Are you worried at all about the accusation of being
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: in the pocket of big children?
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: It's my kids are influencing me. I got the other day,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: got asked, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm horrible progressive because
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: our children eat breakfast and lunch in school. Uh, we
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: just got to embrace the things that, that, uh, that
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: make this country great, but no unseriousness on that one.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: And I'm friends with David Hogg. He and I have
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: talked about this, I think an evolution on this. I
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: grew up and I know this is, you know, a
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: small towner, but I put my shotgun in my car
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: at school or in the football locker to go pheasant
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: hunting afterwards. That was a reality, but we weren't getting
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: shot in school. We weren't, we didn't have, you know,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: ARs in school. And so I said, it was for me,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: both a reckoning and an embarrassment. I was one of
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: the people who took the meeting with 23 sets of
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: parents from Sandy Hook in my office, and they thanked
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: me for taking the meeting. That's a reckoning. And then
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: to just listen, their kids would have been my son's
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: age at 17. So I appreciate all the people who've
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: worked on that, and we're seeing that move. So There's
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: reasons to be optimistic. These kids have seen a lot,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: but they're ready to end it. And boy, when you
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: see the numbers flipping and how much they engaged, and
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: don't make light of TikTok in terms of really connecting.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: My daughter talks about that a lot. You avoid your
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: peril of getting the message out.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: So one part of this new enthusiasm has been a
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: kind of collective realization or moment of attention on the
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: ways in which Republicans are not only a threat, but
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: to use your words, kind of weird. You actually used
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: that term back in February when you were on this
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: show about gubernatorial candidates like Mark Robinson. The Harry's campaign
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: is now running with it. I feel sometimes there's this challenge, right?
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Because we've got to make sure people understand that Donald
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: Trump is a threat to democracy, that what they're proposing
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: is extreme and dangerous and something to be terrified of.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: At the same time, we want to not allow that
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: to build Trump up into some kind of a strongman figure, right?
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: Being strong, as DeVille Clinton famously said, being strong and
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: wrong is better than being right and weak. So how
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: do you think about putting those things together?
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: No, that's exactly it. I think on big problems, climate change,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: homelessness and things, if it becomes just an aspirational goal,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: people don't understand the steps you can make to actually
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: get rid of it. And that becomes then they just
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: kind of fade away and we don't get it done.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: You have to have touch points. And the thing you're
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: talking about is you lift this guy up. Yes, he's
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: a threat to global democracy and global peace, in my opinion.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: I think your constitutional rights are under threat. That becomes
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: almost overwhelming and it's not inspirational. And I think taking
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: them down to what this is, this weird thing is
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: not an insult. It's an observation. And people saying, well,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Governor Walz came up with this. No, people are telling
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: me this. My Republican friends are telling me this. Because
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: when you look at it this way, who's asking for
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: some of this stuff? Who's asking for health care to
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: be taken away? Who's asking for birth control to be
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: taken away? Who's asking? You picture some guys, you know,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: they always do the, oh, the guy's sitting in Racine,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin in the bar. You know, what's really concerning them?
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: I damn sure guarantee you it's not banning Animal Farm.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: They're talking about, God, it's too damn expensive to pay
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: for childcare. Or I'd like to do this. So I
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: think the thing is that this spell, and you listen
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: to him, there's nothing there. And it opens up a
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: huge space if you can shrink him, shrink the message,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: and then really start to focus on it. Because look,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I say this all the time. Those folks that were
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: at that rally in St. Cloud, they're not going to
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: vote for me. But I'm going to make sure they
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: get health care. I'm going to make sure the women
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: who were at that rally are going to get access
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: to birth control. And there were people there with signs
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: that said Somalis for Trump. We're very proud of our
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: immigrant population. We have a large Somali population here. But
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I'll be the guy making sure I'm pushing back on
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: his Muslim ban or the denigrating words he used against
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: that community. I think you get it to where people
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: are listening. And I want people to be very clear.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about Republicans being weird. I'm talking about
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: that dude. Just my point on this, he's making fun
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: of Kamala Harris laughing. I got a bet out there
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: and he'll never collect on it. He will not laugh
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: in public. He's incapable of it. And that's just strange.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: It is strange.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: The not laughing in public thing is so strange.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: What kind of a person never has an authentic moment
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: of laughter in the public eye? The guy's been in
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: our faces for 50 years.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: So how do you- Sense of it.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Picture, and you tell me, no matter how conservative you are,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: that's somebody you're going to be around? I'm telling my team,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: I just keep pointing out that why this guy, why
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: this guy? You come home from work, you throw the
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Frisbee to your pup and he gets it. He comes over,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: you give your good boy a belly rub. Picture that
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: guy doing anything normal like that. No way. No way.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: And I think when people start thinking about this, my
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: family who are in this, they're concerned about taxes maybe.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: You know what they don't want? They don't want the
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: public schools cut so you can give a tax cut
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: to the wealthiest. There's a conservative mantra that has been
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: taken over. And these, I'm just going to say it,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: these weird ideas of, you know, like J.D. Vance, the
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: only people that can vote and benefit are people with kids.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: And then their kids are going to get a vote
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: or whatever. And we're going to do all this. It's ludicrous.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: And I think what's happened is the spell's been broken.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: And now we need to step into it with some
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: positive ideas.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: So let's talk about that. One group of people, so
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: Trump's campaign manager told the Atlantic's Tim Alberta that their
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: target group of voters are disaffected young men, a majority
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: of whom, at least in some polling, show an affinity
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: or an openness to Trump and to Republicans. How do
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: you make sense of this shift amongst young men? And
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: what's your pitch to bring these men back into the fold?
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Look, if it weren't so serious, Trump is funny. If
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: he weren't involved in some of this, he's a buffoon.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: And some of it is like, when he's doing his
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: shark thing or whatever, I'm laughing. But this guy is
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: a danger or whatever. And I think when you're a
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: young guy, you're on the edge. Look, it's the prefrontal
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: lobe stuff. There's some of that. I was that guy, man.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: I know the glass house I lived in. And you
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: got this guy out here, wild, breaking the rules, saying
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: this stuff, crazy, all this. It's attractive or whatever. I
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: think what you're seeing now is we don't have to
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: be like that, but we can give them something. That's
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: why you see TikTok. With a younger generation, you see,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: you know, Vice President Harris engaging, understanding, listening. Look, I
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: don't understand everything about Gen Z, but I love him.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: I guarantee you this dude doesn't. And the Republicans, everything
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: they're proposing is anti against them. This generation cares about
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: their neighbors. They don't give a damn about race. They
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: truly are much more inclusive. And they do care about
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: climate change. So I think these young men are looking
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: for something there. It's the Trump spectacle. Here's what I
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: think is really getting him. Kamala Harris is becoming a phenomenon.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: And that's what he was. And her politics are good
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: and wrapped around that. She is starting to gain, and
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: you're going to see that. It starts to shift. And
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: the enthusiasm level amongst that age group is shifting hard.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: And they are gettable. They are gettable if we bring
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: them back. Look, I coach these kids in football for years.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: They want to be part of winners. I'll tell you
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: the fastest way to get them on there, they don't
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: want to be with losers. And that's my point with him.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: You're hanging with the wrong dude.
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: So shifting gears in the late 90s, you were teaching
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: and coaching at Mankato. You volunteered to be the Gay
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Straight Alliance's first faculty advisor as governor. You signed an
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: executive order protecting the right to gender affirming care for
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: trans kids. And you signed a bill outlawing book bans.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: My question is, for being such a friend to the
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: queer community, why don't you dress better?
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: It is true. You got to have the ally that
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: looks like this dude, the old white dude. But I'm
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: proud of that work because, look, I was the football coach.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm proud of? I'm proud of the
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: students there who understood that. I'm proud that we were
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: starting to get past this issue. And a lot of
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: it was just, you know, just it's ignorance a lot
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: of times. And we got through that. And so, yeah,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: I got to do better on this. But, you know,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: I'm trying.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: No, I think, look, I noticed this over the weekend.
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: There are people seeing you in your– given a press
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: conference and it's not clear whether you were, this is
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: not my joke, whether you were going to run for
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: vice president or maybe fix a radiator. Listen, but in
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: all seriousness, I do think that, you know, we talked
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: about young men. It does seem like attacking trans people,
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: making this a debate about masculinity is a kind of
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: way to kind of peel off some of these young men.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: That's why they kind of target trans people, scapegoat trans people,
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: try to make this something about being against men. What
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: do you think about that?
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that toxic masculinity. There's something about embracing this,
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: about doing good. Look, I'm proud I played football, but
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: I also helped do the set at the plays. There's
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: being a well-rounded person and understanding you can do these things.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: It's about being part of your community. And the thing is,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: they try and do that. This is the thing, John, too.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: They're all the tough guys at toxic masculinity. We used
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: to have a trap shoot in Congress. We'd go out
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: and we would shoot 25 sporting clay, 25 ski, 25
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: trap or whatever.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: Classic.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: I'd be top gun. I can shoot these guys. So
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: I'd ride back on the bus. How does it feel
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: to get outshot every year by a liberal gun grabber?
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Most of these guys never been around guns. It's just
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: like a persona. It's like they pick up that, look,
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: you know, and I've been talking about JD Vance or whatever.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: That's not my small town. That's not where I was from.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: That's not how we talk. And I think part of
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: it is, is letting them know it's okay. You're right
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: about round cars. I'm proud that I can do some
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: things around a car, fix it or whatever, but there's
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: a whole wonderful you know, rainbow of things that people
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: can do. But I do think you're right that it's targeting.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: They turn scapegoats into punchlines. You know, they make people scapegoats.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: We need to embrace. And that's what we've done. And
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: it's OK. But that toxic masculinity is a scary thing.
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: So let's say you're on a debate stage with, say, J.D. Vance,
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: and he accuses you of being a big government liberal
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: who's attacking our families, making life worse for our families,
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: doesn't share our values, doesn't care about families like yours.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: What do you say to him?
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, first of all, it was up to him. I
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have a family because of IVF and the things
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: that we need to do reproductive. My kids were born
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: through that direct, you know, that way. And also I
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: make sure that I'm the guys and our folks are
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: investing in prenatal care. We're the ones that are there
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: for universal pre-K. We're the ones that are providing school
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: meals at this. I'm not going to back down one
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: bit on this whole family values thing and it's us.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: That construct that he's putting out there is absolutely untrue.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: We're making it more affordable to have children by having
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: paid family medical leave so that you can go home
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: when your kids are sick and take care of them.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Or if you're a dad, I don't have to go
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: right back to work five days later after my wife
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: had a C-section because our insurance wouldn't pay for it.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: We're boosting those things up. There's nothing pro-family other than
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: having women be incubators for their vision of this. And
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Once again, it's weird. I don't want J.D.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Benz talking about my family. I certainly don't want him
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: talking about my daughter or my wife. It's none of
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: his damn business. But I said the one thing is
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: we need to talk about how we've invested in families.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: We have the most generous child tax credit, and it's
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: what Vice President Harris is proposing for the country, that
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: people are poor because they don't have money. And when
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: kids don't have the money on the front end, all
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: of the things that a chain reaction of can't learn,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: can't go on. So I'll challenge him on that. Where
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: is J.D. Vance's pro-family? He's forcing people to not be
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: able to have medical care if they have a bad
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: pregnancy or something. We need to stand in front of that.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: And again, You don't need me to give a sermon,
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: but try and live one. Try and be decent. Try
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: and help your neighbors. Try and invest in those kids.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: Before we go, I do want to talk to you
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: about something that is quite depraved that you're not only
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: involved in, but a huge proponent of, and that's the
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: Minnesota State Fair. Now, I'm actually coming to the State
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: Fair this year.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: No way.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: I am actually dating a Minnesotan, and I wanted to
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: ask you, first of all, is there any kind of
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: dispensation or government-provided lactate that can be provided at various
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: stations in just for the safety of the people involved
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: and the amount of dairy and the rides you're putting
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: in such close proximity to each other. What about safety?
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: What about public health?
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll go over and be there. You can get
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: chocolate or regular, $ 1, $ 1, all you can drink. So
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: you got to picture this. You're out there, it's 90 degrees.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: You can have unlimited amounts of milk and then you
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: go do the slingshot. It's a rite of passage, but
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: it's a good one.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: Now, one hard question here. I want to ask you
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: about Four different food options and one's got to go
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: one is no longer gonna be available All right here
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: your four choices fried cheese curds I think we have
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: a photo for you the corn on the cob. That's
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: that's famous a bucket of sweet Martha's cookies served by
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: the bucket and a pronto pup Which seems to me
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: some sort of amalgamation of corn dogs pancakes and different Different.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: I'm team corndog. Cost me lots of votes, but I'm
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: clearly a corndog. You bailed me out on that one.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: I did.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: I'm throwing the Prano pup and sticking the other team
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: in the corndog.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: Wow. And now my understanding is the bucket of cookies
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: can't be closed until you've eaten several families worth of cookies.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it can't. And this is when there was a
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: simpler time in 2018, I bought my bucket and the Republicans,
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: I'll give them this. Old school Republicans, smart. Their booth
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: was right next to the Sweet Martha's booth. Smart. And
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: I bought one of these and I walked through the
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: booth and nine out of 10 people took them, you know,
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: like from him and goes, I'm not taking anything from you.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, that's fine. And the lady next
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: to me says, well, I'm not voting for him, but
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: I'm taking the cookie. Sweet Martha's is the ultimate, is
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  Speaker 2: get about a dozen before you get to the bucket.
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  Speaker 3: That's sick.
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  Speaker 4: You people are sick.
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  Speaker 2: We walk on water half the year. We have to
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 4: Governor Tim Walz, thank you so much for your time.
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  Speaker 4: Really great to talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, John. See you at the state fair.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, see you at the fair.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty exciting stuff.
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