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Reesa Morala on Therapy, Vulnerability, and Parenting in a Changing World · The Scene Projects

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  Welcome in to another exciting episode of the scene.
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  I am your host, Bubba Starts.
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  And with me today is owner and founder of Rebrace Renewal Therapy and Wellness Collective
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  and also the host of the Real Family Eats podcast of which I was just a guest on, Risa
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  Marala.
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  Risa, welcome to my show.
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  Hi.
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  Thank you for having me.
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  I'm excited to be here.
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  I'm excited to have you.
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  I was thrilled to see your name pop up on the calendar having just, watched and rewatched our
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  episode, on The Real Family Eats podcast.
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  But before we get too far into everything, give our listeners a little bit of your background,
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  and then we'll kinda jump into all these things that you're into.
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  Absolutely.
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  So I am a mom of two.
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  I'm also a licensed marriage and family therapist, and I specialize in, really
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  supporting parents.
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  I don't feel like there's enough support out there for the actual parents.
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  So I support them from newborns all the way through all the life stages to empty nesters
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  and just providing that support.
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  And so I do that through my own practice, Embrace Renewal Therapy, where I do workshops,
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  I do retreats, and educational classes.
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  And I also host, as you mentioned, the Real Family Eats, and that was really born out of,
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  again, that passion to just support parents and and really talk about what really happens
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  behind closed doors, but I feel like not enough of our society really talks about the hard
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  stuff.
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  And I feel like since we've had that conversation, like, the whole world is waking
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  up to, like, oh, we could just talk about real stuff.
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  Right?
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  It seems like such a theme in our in our content that we see around us now.
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  And that it was kind of a collective, you know, awakening for a lot of us that, like, hey.
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  There are real people out here.
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  There are real people on the Internet.
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  We can connect with them.
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  And even if you don't have millions of followers, you are affecting people's lives.
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  And, I kinda shared with you, before before the show that, you know, my wife was even listening
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  to the real family eats and listening to our episode, and she doesn't really engage with
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  much of what I do mostly because I'm doing so much.
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  Right?
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  And she's involved with me, but, you know, not necessarily that she's hearing something for
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  the first time there, but she's hearing it in a different light.
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  She's not hearing it necessarily from her husband or her co parent.
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  She's hearing it from Bubba.
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  Right?
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  And and I think that's why and especially, I love the format of your show so much that we
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  get to share a recipe, and it's just a very inviting atmosphere to the show.
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  And I imagine that a lot of those same things that I experienced on your podcast is kind of
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  how your practice is as well.
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  Is that fair?
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  I would like to think so.
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  I think that's one of the areas that for me I find is my superpower.
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  I I can't tell you the number of people who will sit in my room and go, oh my goodness.
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  I just met you and I've never told anybody this, but here it is because they do, feel just
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  safe, if you will, invited to kind of go in there and just talk and and and be real.
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  And I think the questions that you ask and and maybe it's just the personality, of you, right,
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  that disarming smile, and and, that puts people at ease as well.
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  But you really ask some poignant questions.
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  And even I mean, I felt like our our, you know, podcast episode was a therapy session for me in
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  many ways.
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  I don't know if all of your episodes turn out like that.
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  I'm sure a little bit of just, you know, any conversation that you have, just because of
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  your work and how long you've been doing this that it's kind of born out of just a natural
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  curiosity that you have of knowing people and why they behave a certain way and, you know,
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  what is it that that kind of triggered you to behave this way.
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  Yeah.
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  I love that you used the word curiosity because that's definitely one of my, like, cores, but I
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  love to just get curious.
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  And I think if our world just in general had a little bit more curiosity instead of just
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  immediately jumping to assumptions or judgments that, gosh, it would just help so much because
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  then you get to really learn and understand the person sitting across from you.
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  And I don't know that that is a, you know, having never I mean, I've done some, you know,
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  drug counseling and different things like that, but I've never been in a, you know, a very
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  typical therapy environment.
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  Right?
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  A long term seeing the same person every week or every month and and building that
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  relationship with someone.
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  But I have to imagine that not all therapists are coming at from a place of of personal
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  curiosity almost.
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  Right?
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  They're they're kind of just going through the motions of a job or a career and don't
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  necessarily I don't feel like that's how you get to the heart of the issue.
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  And there has to be so much trust built up with someone, to answer all of the questions
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  honestly.
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  Yeah.
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  Absolutely.
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  And, you know, everybody has their own styles and the the different modalities on the way
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  that you're approaching.
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  I mean, you talk about all the way back to Freudian times, so that wasn't necessarily
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  about curiosity, if you will.
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  And so, again, it's I think it's a style and for me, it just it feels authentic to really
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  just want to to get to know and to empathize and and understand on a deeper level.
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  Absolutely.
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  Do you feel that that's changing in the world of therapy as a whole?
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  The curiosity piece of it?
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  Well, and just the the modalities.
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  Right?
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  We are not we're not really doing Freudian therapy and coming at it from that angle
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  anymore, you know, and especially with the transfer of information now.
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  I think with the Internet and being able to communicate with people that are across the
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  country or around the world, you're getting a much different you're getting a much different
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  experience now in life than you were before where everything was more localized, you know,
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  of fifty even fifty years ago.
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  Right?
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  You know, you weren't twenty years ago, you weren't able to see a therapist with things
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  like BetterHelp and and these on air apps.
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  And I don't know the efficacy of a lot of these things, but I know that you and I have had some
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  really poignant and interesting conversations each time that we've gotten together over Zoom.
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  So I have to imagine that it would be just as effective in the in the broader world.
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  Right?
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  So I guess what I'm getting at is that is is the whole world of therapy kind of changing,
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  and has it changed to bring us to this point to where someone like you and that curiosity is
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  driving more of the, of the whole culture of therapy, I guess?
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  Yeah.
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  I definitely think it has changed.
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  It has evolved.
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  What's really neat is there's so many different modalities out there, which I think is really
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  helpful because when we're dealing with individuals and humans, we're all unique.
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  And so the way that our brain processes things is different from each person to the next.
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  And so if we're trying to kind of fit one standard modality and expect it to help
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  everybody, I feel like that's just an unrealistic ask.
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  That's a lot to ask from just one, person's research, if you will.
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  And so what's really neat, I find, is that there are different modalities.
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  Yes.
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  Maybe they have some similar roots or, address some similar things, but it's done in different
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  ways just like they're trying to change, you know, and and teach our kids now different ways
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  to do math.
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  I think it's the same idea of can we get creative on the ways that we're really kind of
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  addressing, each person so that it's really tailored to help them get the most efficacy, in
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  their treatment and in the outcomes as well.
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  It's it's really fun to kinda watch it evolve, and we're watching it evolve in real time
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  throughout our lives.
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  I believe that we're close to the same age and raising young children and and having parents
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  that came from a completely different world.
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  Right?
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  Our our parents are all born pre Internet and just from a totally different almost a
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  different planet.
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  Right?
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  Like, the whole world has changed so much, especially these last twenty years, longer than
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  that, really.
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  I was thinking, oh, jeez.
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  I wasn't even in high school twenty years ago now.
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  That's when did this happen?
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  Just love it.
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  And I had a a great time, you know, being with you on your show and kinda talking about some
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  of the things that, that I've dealt with because I've never had I've never had a real
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  conversation about this with someone who's not personally invested in it.
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  Right?
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  Like, my family knows the story.
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  My wife knows the stories, but they're they all have a personal affectation, good or bad,
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  right, towards towards the situation.
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  So it was nice to kinda just share everything that I've been through and have someone go, oh,
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  wow.
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  That was really tough, or, oh, I'm I'm I'm curious about this part, you know, and how did
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  that affect you.
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  And and I think that there's not a person on the planet that wouldn't benefit from therapy
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  in some in some modality, right, of some form and talking with someone and able to work
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  through our feelings.
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  I think it's so important in today's world.
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  Absolutely.
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  And I think what you mentioned there is just have someone to kind of dialogue with.
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  Many of these items, you know, we encounter things in life that we've never encountered
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  before.
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  And so to expect us to know what to do or how to kind of take a pause and to zoom out and
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  look at the stadium view and kind of process some of those things.
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  That's not necessarily something they teach in school.
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  And so I think naturally to have someone there who maybe, has a little bit more of that
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  training to be able to just say, hey.
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  Let's slow down a little bit.
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  Let's let's do now.
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  Or, like, hey.
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  Like, how do you think your brain is processing this or how is it making sense of these things?
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  Can just be really helpful.
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  It doesn't mean that something is quote, unquote wrong.
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  It's just you're getting some extra support.
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  And, gosh, who doesn't need a little bit of extra support?
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  Because I know I do.
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  Well, and especially parents.
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  Right?
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  Being a parent yourself and me as well is, like, you you're always running into stuff that
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  you've never seen before.
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  You every single day is a new challenge, and it it's hard to slow down when everything is
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  moving so fast.
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  We just finished baseball season yesterday, and I'm almost like, well, what do I do with my
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  hands now?
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  Like, where where do I go?
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  All of a sudden, we have had somewhere to be for two solid months on Tuesdays and Thursday
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  and Monday, and why did it every single day was planned out for you.
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  And then it's almost like, you know, for me, I'll I'll relate it to prison.
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  It's almost like stepping out of the gate and every like, well, what do we do now?
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  You know?
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  Like, we didn't make any plan for after that because it was like, well, because of playoffs
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  and things, you don't know when it's ever gonna be over.
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  Right?
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  And and as parents, you know, I think even if you have, you know, you know, teenagers
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  especially, but, you know, my son's 12.
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  He'll be turning a teenager this year, and it's like, man, you don't really like, I need to
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  really start training you how to live without me now.
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  Right?
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  And it and it's less about, like, hey.
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  I'm trying to keep you alive and and teach you right from wrong.
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  And now as you're, like, moving these kids, and I don't know how old your kids are, but where
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  I'm looking at him, was like, man, you got five years to figure life out, and then you're on
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  your own.
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  You know?
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  And it's not it's and it's not that.
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  Right?
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  But I I kinda wanna, like, scare him a little bit because, you know, even I was like, hey,
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  man.
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  How did we get how did we get here?
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  Right?
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  Like, we were in the car altogether.
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  What turns did we make?
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  And there was only, like, three.
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  How did we get here?
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  And watching his brain just go blank where he's like, I have no idea.
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  I was like, okay.
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  Well, we're gonna have to start working on we're gonna start working on a little, spatial
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  awareness and some environmental, awareness.
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  Right?
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  Like, knowing where you're at in the world and and being able to navigate that life, I think,
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  starts with, like, how to read a map.
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  Matt, you try to tell these kids nowadays, you know, those old things that you would put in
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  the glove compartment.
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  Yeah.
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  It's it's quite a skill.
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  Absolutely.
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  It and like you said, it's different for having to teach our kids nowadays versus maybe our
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  parents and their parents before them because it is an evolving world.
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  Kind of because it is evolving, you never know what their experience is gonna be like.
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  And so it is just constantly kinda flying by the seat of your pants and and hope and pray
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  that you're doing you're doing the right thing, and you you can just support them and love them
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  through it.
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  Right.
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  Yeah.
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  And you touched on something so key there is, like, we don't know what's coming.
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  So, like, how do I prepare my child for what's coming in their lifetimes where I'm like, look.
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  I'm gonna give you all the information that I have.
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  I'm gonna give you everything.
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  I don't know if it's gonna help you or not.
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  I I don't know what world it's gonna be in twenty more years.
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  Right?
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  Because things are are accelerating so quickly now, especially with, you know, artificial
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  intelligence just dominating the landscape now.
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  It's everywhere that you look.
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  Right?
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  And even two years ago, that that wasn't even really on most people's radar.
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  Right?
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  So Yeah.
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  How how do we how do we prepare our kids for that?
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  And and I think it starts with, you know, honest conversations, maybe over a meal where
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  real families should eat.
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  Right?
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  It's huge in our family.
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  We are we're around the table every single night, and, I'm sure you are as often as
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  possible as well and sharing those moments.
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  And and, yeah, just just being a family.
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  It's so hard to be disconnected.
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  And, you know, I was with, an aunt and uncle of mine recently and kinda, like, you know, stayed
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  at their house overnight, and it was really just like everybody's in their own spaces and
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  on their phones and, like, in their own worlds inside of the house.
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  And it's like, wow.
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  That's so much different than, like, our relationship with our kids because we don't
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  have them on tablets.
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  I mean, our kids are eight and nine, so it's you know, I'm not trying to put them on that
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  stuff constantly, but growing up where we're looking I'm looking ahead.
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  Right?
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  I'm looking ahead and like, well, eventually, these kids are gonna have phones in their hands
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  and things.
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  And, like, how do we maintain that physical relationship with them when they're introduced
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  to that digital world?
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  And it's a little scary.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh, absolutely.
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  You know, I I can't tell you the number of times that even my nine year old is like, well,
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  when can I get a phone?
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  It's like, no.
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  And I I heard somebody once say, oh, you can get a phone at the same age that I got a phone.
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  It's like, oh, I like that idea.
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  Right?
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  Yeah.
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  So I've been joking with them of reason.
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  I was like, yeah.
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  You can get a phone to the same agent I got one, which was in, like, you know, right before
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  I went to college.
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  When you needed it.
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  Right?
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  When you were finally gonna be far enough away from home that they felt like they needed to,
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  which I feel like that kinda leads us into another interesting conversation.
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  Do you feel and because you work with parents, do you feel like there is more helicopter
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  parenting going on now than decades previously because of the phones and the access to you
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  know, we have the GPS trackers on everyone and all of these things.
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  Right?
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  Like, do you feel like it's changed parents almost more than it's changed the kids?
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  I think yes.
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  And I think the accessibility that we have with the technology certainly just helps kind of
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  exacerbate the situation, but I think it's actually even beyond that.
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  I think there was definitely a shift because I don't know about kind of your the way that you
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  were raised, but I know I hear a lot from parents these days that, you know, they were
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  they were maybe raised with a lot of hands off and just like, go and figure out your life,
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  feed yourself your meals.
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  And so as a response, I feel like many parents now are like, well, I wanna be involved.
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  And so they're wanting to do things differently, but then we almost kinda swing the
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  pendulum all the way to the other side.
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  And instead of kinda finding that balance, we're like, I wanna be involved in everything.
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  And so if that means I need to put an Apple tag on you so I could find you at all times, you
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  know, I'm gonna do that.
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  And so I think that's part of where some of that comes from, at least what I've seen.
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  Right.
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  We are the pendulum swinging.
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  All of us latchkey kids.
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  Right?
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  Yeah.
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  Or now, like, hey.
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  We're not we're not raising our children like that because look how screwed up most of us
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  turned out.
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  It's why I have a job.
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  Right?
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  Probably.
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  It's why you're gonna stay employed for for a very long time, and I think you've got a great
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  practice.
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  I I I love, what you bring to the table as a as a licensed therapist and and and the
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  communities that you're helping.
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  Right?
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  You you touched off it right off the top, like, where's the support for parents?
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  And because of a lot of the things we've been talking about in between times, like, people
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  used to get together.
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  You you used to have support with other parents.
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  And now because, I think, because of the technology and we've all kind of pulled away
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  from our physical communities, it opens the door for practices like yours because we no
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  longer have that in society, unnecessarily of adult friends.
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  Right?
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  Adult friend groups and having sounding boards with other parents and and feeling like you
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  weren't gonna be judged.
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  You know?
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  I I think maybe a little bit more in your area of the world, you know, being in a little bit
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  more liberal state of California, maybe so than South Dakota is.
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  But, you know, it's it's just such a wild time to be alive, isn't it?
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  It really is.
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  Absolutely.
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  And I think what you mentioned there, that judgment piece is absolutely key.
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  In fact, I just I just did a talk about just really the the plea and the need that we have
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  to shift our society from that judgment of parents because it's so easy for us to, you
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  know, go to the grocery store, go on an airplane, and you you see the crying baby and I
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  feel like most people's instincts are to like, oh, you need to manage your child better or
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  hey, quiet your child, you know, we're going to that place of judgment versus how can I support
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  you?
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  How can I help you?
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  And because of that, I think it just really perpetuates this isolation.
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  Like you said, not only are we doing the isolation because of the technology, we're all,
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  you know, we're all buried in our screens.
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  But just because then you go out and you get some of the judgment, so then naturally, you
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  want to kind of pull inward.
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  You don't wanna go outside.
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  You don't I mean, parenting is a vulnerable experience.
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  And so when you're getting people just judging the crap out of everything that you're doing,
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  it's like, well, then, okay.
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  I'm gonna stay indoors where nobody can see what's happening because they're just gonna
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  judge me and tell me how wrong I'm doing it or how I should do it.
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  And, really, gosh, that's gotta stop because parenting is hard enough.
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  We don't need all, you know, the judge duties coming in telling us what we should be doing
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  differently.
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  No.
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  That exposure of the vulnerability, right, is such a terrifying thing.
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  And, you know, I think thirty, forty years ago, it was just the mother in law's judgment.
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  Right?
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  Right.
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  It's just and now it's everyone's mother-in-law and and everyone else, right, that that you're
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  kinda putting it out there.
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  And not everyone's built, you know, the same.
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  Right?
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  I'm I'm fairly impervious to judgment, just from the life that I've lived and, like, look,
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  you can't what are you are you gonna sentence me to a decade in prison like that judge did?
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  Right?
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  I've been judged.
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  Right?
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  Mhmm.
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  Physically.
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  Right.
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  So so I'm not necessarily susceptible to that, but my wife didn't live that experience.
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  So she is very raw to a lot of these things and, you know, not necessarily being the not
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  being the biological mother of my two children, but having been their mom for the last seven
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  years.
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  Right?
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  Like, she's extremely vulnerable to those things because it always feels like somebody's
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  gonna try to take them away.
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  Right?
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  And and in this day and age, I think all parents are a little scared of, you know, of
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  government overreach and and having someone, you know, threaten to take your children away.
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  I can't think of anything scarier than that.
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  So no wonder parents are, you know, going inward and not sharing as much about the
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  struggles that they're facing because it's easy to feel like you're the only one dealing with
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  that.
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  And I think that brings me to kinda wrap this whole thing up.
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  It's why your podcast is so important, not just to, like, you and your practice, but to our
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  society, to our world.
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  I I hope that other, therapists that have a practice similar to yours see this, and and
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  maybe totally outside of the same realm that you're in, see that what they can be to the
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  greater world and not just to a small list of clients.
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  Right?
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  Just getting on and having conversations can be so powerful to the world that that you know, I
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  say it a lot, and I probably said it on our show that this is how God is changing the
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  world.
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  Right?
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  This is how us sharing ourselves in a space where we feel comfortable.
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  Right?
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  We feel comfortable here, but then we're able to put that vulnerability out into the world
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  and to have kind of a a a barrier between the the the judgment, right, to to put up that
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  barrier because you're on a a different program and that you're able to kinda put a little
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  buffer in there.
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  And and that's why I think your program, the Real Family Eats podcast, is so important and
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  why I was so happy to have a chance to come on and share a little bit of my story, with the
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  world.
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  Yeah.
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  I appreciate you saying that because really that's my hope is just to to make it feel a
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  little less lonely because it is just it can be so isolating.
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  And like you said, because we're not necessarily sharing because it doesn't feel
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  like a safe space, it just really compounds that loneliness, especially when you're in a
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  parenting milestone or transition.
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  That's really hard.
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  And, when you don't know what to do and you're just trying to do your best and and hope and
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  pray that, you know, you're setting them up for success because, again, at the end of the day,
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  I don't think I've ever really met a parent truly who's, like, sitting there and how can I,
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  like, ruin my child's life?
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  Like, I don't believe that that's what we're trying to do.
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  And so, really, the hope and the goal is is not only to to hear a story that helps you feel a
• 23:19
  little less alone, helps you maybe feel seen and normalized that this is really hard, but
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  also give you maybe a little bit of hope hope that, hey, there are others there.
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  There are ways that we could get out of it, and and hear some of that vulnerability and give
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  them a little bit more confidence to kind of share their own, and and do a little reaching
• 23:38
  out.
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  And at the same time, you know, I feel like the mental load of what are we gonna eat for dinner
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  or what are we gonna feed the kids, right, especially those picky kids.
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  So then you can come and not only hear, a story that maybe helps warm your soul, but then you
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  get a a lovely recipe like yours, which, my family loves, by the way.
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  That warms the belly, so that's that's my hope.
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  I can't wait till the cookbook comes out.
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  I hope you're saving all these recipes.
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  I do have a list of them all.
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  Yeah.
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  But I had to, you know, credit everybody.
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  Make sure that we all get in there.
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  There you go.
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  Hey.
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  You you used all of us to write your book.
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  Well done, Risa.
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  Well done.
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  Yep.
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  Just just as, like, genius, you know, plotting over here.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Just like we all are on how we can ruin our kids' lives.
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  Right?
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  Oh my goodness.
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  Yes.
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  Well, Risa, it's such a pleasure to have you on our program and always great to catch up with
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  you.
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  Go ahead and plug all your stuff for our listeners one time before I let you go.
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  Absolutely.
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  Thank you so much for having me.
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  Best way to find me is on my website which is embracerenewaltherapy.com.
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  And you can find on there, I've got workshop dates and those are all virtual, so those are
• 25:00
  accessible to anybody that has an Internet connection.
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  I have workshops that are for couples and just making sure that you and your partner have got
• 25:09
  some tools under your belt to make sure that your connection isn't going by the wayside.
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  I have workshops on parenting and some of those big parenting challenges as well.
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  And if you wanna come for a a retreat and do some intensive works, I'm in Southern
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  California, so I'm right outside of, wine country.
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  Southern Southern California wine country.
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  And so, I do offer intensive, retreats as well that you can come to a little, r and r and get
• 25:37
  some really good deep work done as well if you're needing some of that support.
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  All of that, as as I mentioned, can be found, on the website as well as the link to, the
• 25:46
  podcast and see all the episodes just like the one that, Bubba and I had alluded to many times
• 25:51
  here on on the Real Family Eats.
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  Oh, Risa, thank you so much for all the work that you're doing with parents out there, and
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  thank you for being part of the scene.
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  Thank you.