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Signal 99 with Brian Thomas this morning · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: Seven oh six at fifty five Carosee detalk station. I'm
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Speaker 1: very happy Friday to you. It still won't got the
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six fish Fry list there at fifty five
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Speaker 1: cars dot com on the blog page, and we also
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Speaker 1: have the conversation yesterday with Adam Kaylor about citizen journalism.
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Speaker 1: There's a seminar next that's to Power You Summar March
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Speaker 1: twenty fifth. He's got this Cincinnati Exchange blog and he's
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Speaker 1: inviting people out within the community who have some connection
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Speaker 1: with matters going on locally to provide some reporting on it.
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Speaker 1: He's facilitated that. He's made it very easy and there's
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Speaker 1: some great contributors out there, and including someone who identify
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Speaker 1: as a citizen journalist. And thank god we've got our
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Speaker 1: welcome back to the fifty five Case Morning Show. Signal
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Speaker 1: ninety nine. Good to hear from you today. How's life
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Speaker 1: with you right now?
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Speaker 2: Signal Good morning, Brian. I'm awake and I kind of
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Speaker 2: had of a voice, so I'll try not to yell.
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Speaker 1: You don't have to. You've got a very strong voice,
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Speaker 1: even if it might not be functioning accurately. The interesting
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Speaker 1: commentary you provide on your website over at Facebook. Find
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Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine on Facebook and see what she's got
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Speaker 1: to say. A lot of it's kind of comical. I
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Speaker 1: got your your post yesterday. The appropriate use of commas
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Speaker 1: can really transform a statement. But more fundamentally, when you
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Speaker 1: find things going on behind the scenes, like with law
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Speaker 1: enforcement with the fire department, you let folks know about it.
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Speaker 1: You've got a lot of folks that you're connected with
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Speaker 1: that have the inside information. When there is documentation, quite
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Speaker 1: often you'll present it and really pretty much offer an
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Speaker 1: opportunity to someone to refute what you are saying in
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Speaker 1: the conclusions you reach, which doesn't usually seem to happen,
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Speaker 1: which allows me to confirm that you are connected with
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Speaker 1: some very informed folks. Signal ninety nine.
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Speaker 2: I you know it's true. And the success of our
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Speaker 2: page has been because we have so many people that
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Speaker 2: trust us, and we have them in every nook and tranny.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of phenomenal. Taking a law time to build
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Speaker 2: that trust up years, but we have it and more
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Speaker 2: thankful for it and more thankful for all of our people.
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Speaker 1: Yes, keep us in the loop, and yeah, I'll give
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Speaker 1: you props for mentioning you know it's not just Signal
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Speaker 1: ninety nine. She is a single person represented by that moniker,
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Speaker 1: but she's reliant on all of these inside connected individuals
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Speaker 1: to provide her with the information. So and props to
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Speaker 1: all of those who are willing to do it. It's
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Speaker 1: almost as if you're an outlet for whistleblower Signal ninety nine.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, it started to give a voice
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Speaker 2: to those that didn't have one for fear of you know,
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Speaker 2: retribution at work. So they have a voice. Well, I guess,
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Speaker 2: and that's what that's what we're here for.
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Speaker 1: We motivated to reveal that voice, or we motivate the
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Speaker 1: lack of local reporting on the extraordinarily important subject matter
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Speaker 1: that you write about, like you know Police Chief Washington,
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Speaker 1: which we're going to get here, and how why was
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Speaker 1: he terminated? Please Chief Thiji? Why was she put on
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Speaker 1: administrative lead? Lord knows. We don't know the answer to
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Speaker 1: that question. Before you know the the impact and ability
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Speaker 1: of iris Roli to direct and control what happens from
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Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati government perspective relative law enforcement. I mean,
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Speaker 1: all these things are so important you would think you'd
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Speaker 1: be reading about them in Channel nine, Channel twelve Fox nineteen.
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Speaker 1: You might read them on the enquire but there is
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Speaker 1: there are media outlets out there, there are reporting, there's
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Speaker 1: reporting out there, but never seems to pop up in
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Speaker 1: those you know, presumably informed outlets.
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Speaker 2: Well, part of that problem are you know, news directors
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Speaker 2: and CEOs and attorneys for the media. You know, they're
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Speaker 2: sometimes has a tant to dive into that stuff. The
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Speaker 2: other part of it is even the reporters that do
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Speaker 2: want to blow it up, that do want to put
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Speaker 2: it out there, they're constrained legally to jump through eight
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Speaker 2: billion hoops. They've got to get a source it's willing
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Speaker 2: to go on the record. They've got to get permission
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Speaker 2: from the person that took the original video on a
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Speaker 2: cell phone, if you know, if they want to publish it,
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Speaker 2: they have there. They're constrained by so many things that
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Speaker 2: we're not. So you know, we vet our sources, we
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Speaker 2: double check, and we do our best to make sure
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Speaker 2: everything we put out there is factual. But we don't
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Speaker 2: have to do all of that. We just blow it up.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I know, regular report reporters regularly rely
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Speaker 1: on sources that requested anonymity due to the sensitive nature
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Speaker 1: of the information. You still get reporting on it, and
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Speaker 1: you're talking about public figures here for the most part,
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Speaker 1: which you know, don't enjoy the level of privacy or scrutiny.
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Speaker 1: Perhaps that then reporting on just an everyday citizen has
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to talk about Cheryl Long,
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Speaker 1: you're going to talk about aftab Pervoll, youre going to
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Speaker 1: talk about council members, they're all public figures, which is
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Speaker 1: a higher level of a protection journalist had when reporting
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Speaker 1: on these matters. So I questioned the reluctance to do it.
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Speaker 2: Well, for instance, remember when we posted the actual repo
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Speaker 2: order on the mayor's car last year right after the election.
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Speaker 2: So that's not a public document. So Ford Motor Credit
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Speaker 2: was really upset that we got a hold of that,
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Speaker 2: but the media could not get a copy of that
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Speaker 2: because it's not available in a public records request. That is,
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Speaker 2: you know, it's just not So they were very frustrated
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Speaker 2: because that was a big news story for them and
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Speaker 2: they all wanted to blow it up and they just couldn't.
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Speaker 1: Well that's why we had to get.
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Speaker 2: A copy of it. Yeah, yeah, so we kind of
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Speaker 2: we fill that void.
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Speaker 1: That's why we love talking to the Signal ninety nine,
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Speaker 1: a very reliable source of information. I got to double
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Speaker 1: down on that point. So it's worthy to follow her
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Speaker 1: and see what she's up to, because she'll have the
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Speaker 1: information for anybody else. All Right, real quick here, before
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Speaker 1: we get to police Chief Washington and the current proceedings
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Speaker 1: that are going on relative to him, how about your
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Speaker 1: reaction to the survey about how people feel about the police,
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Speaker 1: this recent survey that was released by Downtown Cincinnat. They
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Speaker 1: crunch these numbers every couple of years, and it didn't
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Speaker 1: look like the figures were good across the board. But
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Speaker 1: how safety you feel in your neighborhood fifty percent satisfied
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Speaker 1: or very satisfied? That kind of question your reaction to
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Speaker 1: how residents feel. And there was a comical argument that
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Speaker 1: was made in response to this satisfaction survey. Generally, well,
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Speaker 1: we just need to convince people that they're wrong in
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Speaker 1: their perception. In other words, we need a better messaging campaign.
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Speaker 1: Don't believe your own eyes, don't believe your own experiences,
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Speaker 1: just believe in our new public relations spin on things.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know what I find most interesting about that, Brian,
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Speaker 2: is that they have the results in October of last year,
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Speaker 2: So why did they wait until mark of this year
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Speaker 2: to publish it? Be good? Because they didn't. They didn't
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Speaker 2: want to do it before the election obviously, And I
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Speaker 2: think I think that they they knew how bad it
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Speaker 2: was going to look, and they thought serving up Chief
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Speaker 2: Tgi might offset that a little bit. They could point
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Speaker 2: the finger at her. But no, I mean, it wasn't
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Speaker 2: Chief Figi on the TV or talk to you know,
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Speaker 2: the press all the time saying the city's safe, Come
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Speaker 2: enjoy the city, it's perfectly safe. That was the mayor.
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Speaker 2: That wasn't Chief Fiji. That was the mayor telling everybody
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Speaker 2: that nobody bought it, and that survey pretty much shows that.
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Speaker 1: Well, I guess I got to ask you a point
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Speaker 1: of question, serving how could anyone buy it? They put
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Speaker 1: her on administrative lead but didn't cite a single thing
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Speaker 1: as a justification for policing an administrative leave, and to
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Speaker 1: this day we still don't know why.
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Speaker 2: Well, and that's why they keep extend the investigation. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: because they're looking for anything, anything to justify terminating her.
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Speaker 2: And I believe they're going to come up with some
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Speaker 2: really ridiculous reason to justify termination. I think they're going
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Speaker 2: to do that, okay, and then that'll be just one
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Speaker 2: more huge loss against the city.
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Speaker 1: Well, we know that's coming, and we'll talk about Chief
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Speaker 1: Washington next in terms of big lawsuits coming at the city.
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Speaker 1: But how could they hope to have any credibility? They
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Speaker 1: can't cite anything at all now to justify the administry
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Speaker 1: to leave the higher this law firm the extend the
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Speaker 1: law firms contract a couple of extra months to keep
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Speaker 1: looking and looking and looking. She's got more than thirty
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Speaker 1: years of public service as a police officer, and you know,
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Speaker 1: a fairly storied career. Her entire family's been involved in
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Speaker 1: law enforcement. I mean, it's a really well respected family.
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Speaker 1: But if this law firm were to find something in
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Speaker 1: the thirty plus year career in the records that belonged
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Speaker 1: to Police Chief DG, how in God's name are they
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Speaker 1: going to justify last summer's administrative leaved placement If it
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Speaker 1: takes them this long to find really anything that's critical
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Speaker 1: of Fiji's tenure as a police officer, let alone as
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Speaker 1: wild police chief.
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Speaker 2: Well, not only that, but how much did this is
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Speaker 2: this investigation costs in the taxpayers?
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Speaker 1: That's a good question. Initially, I believe it was forty
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Whether or not the law firm is providing
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Speaker 1: pro bono work on it right now remains to be seen.
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Speaker 1: Let's pause, we'll bring signal ninety nine back. Quite a
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Speaker 1: few topics that go over with her this morning, including
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Speaker 1: yet care and see the talk station seven twenty one
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Speaker 1: if you have a KARCD talk station. Brian Thomas with
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Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine again, recommendation strong one for anybody in
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Speaker 1: the greater Cincinnatia wants to know about the shenanigans going
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Speaker 1: on in downtown and there are seemingly an endless list
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Speaker 1: of those kind of problems going on. Signal ninety nine
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Speaker 1: gets the info passes along to you and me and
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Speaker 1: we get to learn all about it. And let's pivot
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Speaker 1: over to former Chief fire Chief Michael Washington, and good morning,
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Speaker 1: mister Washington. It's a pleasure having him out there listening
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Speaker 1: to the program. Someone told me he was first Cincinnati
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Speaker 1: fireteeth to be fired from the position, and it was
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Speaker 1: under very questionable circumstances which led him to file a
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Speaker 1: lawsuit claiming his dismissal was unjust and unlawful. So now
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Speaker 1: we're at the process where the City of Cincinnati is
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Speaker 1: claiming that they're entitled to qualified immunity. Now, this is
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Speaker 1: a due process claim. The city claim, accordingly to his allegations,
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Speaker 1: violated his due process rights and defamed his character. So
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Speaker 1: the looming question is, well, even if the city violated
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Speaker 1: mister Washington's rights, they're nonetheless entitled to qualified immunity. There
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Speaker 1: was an oral argument in court the other day on
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Speaker 1: this one, signal ninety nine. Where are we well?
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Speaker 2: The argument was actually yesterday. Did you get a chance
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Speaker 2: to listen to it?
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Speaker 1: I didn't get I know you posted it. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for doing so. I haven't had a chance to listen
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Speaker 1: to it yet. I just realized this morning that you
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Speaker 1: had posted the arguments in court.
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Speaker 2: It was phenomenal. So let me just say it's about
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Speaker 2: share a long qualified immunity. It's about not only did
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Speaker 2: she deny Keith Washington due process? She absolutely did, but
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Speaker 2: it's also about, you know, she wants protection underqualified immunity,
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Speaker 2: but maliciousness also takes that off the table. So they're
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Speaker 2: getting her kind of two ways. From Sunday and Stephen
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Speaker 2: m the attorney for Mike Washington, I just have to
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Speaker 2: say he's the greatest attorney of all time. He's also
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Speaker 2: my attorney and I love it. But he did a
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Speaker 2: phenomenal job yesterday. He kind of schooled the federal court
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Speaker 2: and I was so impressed. Well, the city solicitor seemed
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Speaker 2: to be desperately struggling tread and water, and I don't
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Speaker 2: think they're going to farewell. I think this decision is
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Speaker 2: going to be handed down and the City's not going
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Speaker 2: to be happy, and this is their last ditch effort
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Speaker 2: to stall this. I think Cheryl Long is going to
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Speaker 2: be on the hook big time. I think they are
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Speaker 2: going to stay with the lower court's decision and I
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Speaker 2: don't see them overturning it personally. That's my thoughts about it.
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Speaker 1: And from a procedural posture, it's important for those who
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Speaker 1: are not following as close attention to Signal ninety nine
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Speaker 1: is yes, at the lower court level, this is an
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Speaker 1: appeal from the city. Lower court found that they that
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Speaker 1: she did not enjoy qualified immunity and so the appealed
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Speaker 1: that and that was what the argument was about in
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Speaker 1: front of the Pellic Court yesterday. If I got that
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Speaker 1: right from a procedural posture.
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Speaker 2: Standpoint, yes, and you know, the real question is did
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Speaker 2: it even belong in federal court. I would say no,
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Speaker 2: two thumbs down. I think the city is ridiculous, But
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Speaker 2: I also think that they're going to get schooled very very,
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Speaker 2: very much so, and I think it's going to cost
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Speaker 2: them a lot of money. Well, you know, the more
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Speaker 2: they want to mess around, you know, just keep adding
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Speaker 2: zeros to that lawsuit.
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Speaker 1: And don't forget attorney's fees. I see. I'm thinking Stephen
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Speaker 1: m is paying close attention to his hourly billable charges
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Speaker 1: and what will apply when he asks for reimbursement from
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Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati for his attorney's fees. That's going
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Speaker 1: to be a sizeable amount, I imagine.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I guarantee you it will.
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Speaker 1: This goes back that years. Three years. I'll tell you what, yeah,
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Speaker 1: three years this month. Okay, So I want to go
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Speaker 1: back when we when we return from break, because I
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Speaker 1: want you to refresh everybody's recollection, including mine. Quite honestly,
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Speaker 1: what was originally the argument was that justified his dismissal
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Speaker 1: because I think, unlike Police Chief Teresa Thiji, being placed
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Speaker 1: on administratively with literally no specific claim, that they did
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Speaker 1: make up some specific allegations which the city claimed justified
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Speaker 1: mayor us any manager Long's decision to dismiss him. So
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Speaker 1: we'll bring back and we'll get a conclusion and wrap
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Speaker 1: up on what's going on with fire chief former fire
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Speaker 1: chief Washington. I guess he probably will get his job
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Speaker 1: back too. On top of things. Sait here fifty five
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Speaker 1: KRCD talk station, Brian Thomas with Signal ninety nine, the
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Speaker 1: source of some really great information. You can follow her
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Speaker 1: on Facebook, as I recommend you do. Fortunate enough to
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Speaker 1: get her here on the fifty five KRSS Morning Show,
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Speaker 1: and I appreciate your friendship with Joe Strecker. So I
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Speaker 1: get the opportunity to talk with the signal ninety nine,
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Speaker 1: depriving others of that opportunity. We're talking about right now,
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Speaker 1: Michael Washington, former Cincinni fire chief who was terminated three
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Speaker 1: years ago, first chief to be fired from the position
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Speaker 1: under allegations of some concerns over I guess workplace culture
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Speaker 1: or something. So right now, the argument of federal court
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Speaker 1: yesterday on appeal this was made in a trial court
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Speaker 1: in the lower court as well, that it's qualified immunity.
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Speaker 1: So you don't get to the argument of qualified immunity
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Speaker 1: until you address the wrongful termination claim. So he goes
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Speaker 1: into court and says, hey, you violated my due process right,
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Speaker 1: you terminated me unlawfully. There was no reason for it.
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Speaker 1: The defense would be no, no, no, here are the
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Speaker 1: specific allegations and justifying why we terminated you. Then if
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Speaker 1: you don't believe that, court, we pivot over to even
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Speaker 1: if what he says is true, we're still entitled to immunity.
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Speaker 1: In other words, you can't get any money out of
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Speaker 1: me because we get qualified immunity, and that we would
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Speaker 1: be city manager Cherylong who made the claim. But the
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Speaker 1: allegations beneath it. My understanding is this sprung from some
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Speaker 1: women helping women climate survey or something. But you need
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Speaker 1: to fill in the blanks on that signal ninety nine
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Speaker 1: so we know what the underlying charges are, which basically
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Speaker 1: ruined his reputation.
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Speaker 2: So, yeah, there was a couple of grumbly female firefighters
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Speaker 2: that were did not follow the chain of command that
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Speaker 2: they were unhappy that they weren't getting they weren't allowed
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Speaker 2: to fit in on assistant chief meetings with the chief. Well,
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Speaker 2: of course not, they're not assistant chief. So they grumbled
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Speaker 2: about that. Sarah long allowed them to come directly to
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Speaker 2: her and constantly give her feedback and information and complain
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Speaker 2: directly to her. And that's not following the chain of
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Speaker 2: command by any means.
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Speaker 1: Is don't they have a collective bargaining agreement? Which which yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: that's what I thought.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So they tried to push that narrative and
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Speaker 2: that that wasn't going to really fly. So what they
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Speaker 2: actually terminated him for the fire chief has to show
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Speaker 2: up for a high rise fire with or without fatalities.
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Speaker 2: They have to show up for fatality fires. Okay, Chief
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Speaker 2: Washington didn't go to a high rise fire because he
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Speaker 2: wasn't notified about it. Now that begs the question, hmm.
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Speaker 2: Was he not notified intentionally or is it simply a
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Speaker 2: mistake that they forgot to notify him. But the point
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Speaker 2: is is he missed the high right fire and that's
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Speaker 2: the excuse they used for terminating him. However, Chief Wu
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Speaker 2: Tang Frank McKinley has missed a high rights fire this
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Speaker 2: year and several fatality fires. So he just never showed up.
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Speaker 2: In fact, at the one fatality fire where there were
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Speaker 2: actually three fatalities, he was at a feedinel dinner with
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Speaker 2: Cheryl Long go figure. So it's okay for this chief,
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Speaker 2: this current chief, to not show up and not be
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Speaker 2: held accountable for any of this. But Michael Washington misses
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Speaker 2: one high right fire with no fatalities, and that's the
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Speaker 2: excuse they used to terminate him. And you know, I
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Speaker 2: want to go on to say too, Brian. I don't
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Speaker 2: know if you know about this, but last year Chief
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Speaker 2: McKinley was accidentally overpaid ten thousand dollars by this and
18:01
Speaker 2: the city caught it. They reached out to him and
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Speaker 2: then said, hey, we put an extra ten thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: in your paycheck. You need to pay that back. And
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Speaker 2: he said, oh, yeah, sure, sure I will. Well, they
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Speaker 2: kept calling, they kept emailing, they kept reaching out. He
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Speaker 2: didn't pay it back. Take garner sheet his wages. Oh
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Speaker 2: my god, who does that? Yeah, I mean, and that's
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Speaker 2: that's that's a public record.
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Speaker 1: Huh.
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Speaker 2: So you know, but he's not been fired for that either. No.
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Speaker 2: It's just really interesting.
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Speaker 1: Who doesn't make their car payment signal ninety night.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the car payment.
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Speaker 1: I know, I know. I had to go back to
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Speaker 1: that since you brought it up earlier in the segment. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: all right, so he doesn't get noticed. So there's there's
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Speaker 1: no evidence that they presented a show that he got
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Speaker 1: noticed of the fatality high or high rise fire. So
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Speaker 1: you can't hold him accountable for that if you don't
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Speaker 1: know about it. How can you be expected to show
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Speaker 1: up for something you're not aware of? I get that point,
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Speaker 1: but I thought there was also allegations independent completely of that,
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Speaker 1: that there was some kind of workplace culture issues going
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Speaker 1: on that led to his termination. Is that not what
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Speaker 1: they ultimately hung their hat on.
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Speaker 2: Again, this was the small group of female firefighters that
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Speaker 2: demanded to be allowed into the command staff meetings with
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Speaker 2: the assistant chief and the thief, and they were told, no,
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Speaker 2: you're not an assistant chief. No, you're not going to
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Speaker 2: be able to sit in on the meeting. You know,
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Speaker 2: we discussed personnel issues, things of sensitive natures you cannot
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Speaker 2: sit in on. So they grubbled, grubble, grubbled, But they
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Speaker 2: didn't take it up the chain. They didn't file aggrievance.
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Speaker 2: They went straight to Sharah Long and she let them
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Speaker 2: write in her office and heard everything they had to say.
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Speaker 2: So they were little plants trying to help push him
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Speaker 2: out the door.
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Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you to you know, your
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Speaker 1: subjective opinion unless you know for a fact the reasons,
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Speaker 1: the motivations. Why were they so interested, Why was Sheryl
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Speaker 1: Long so interested in terminating his role as chief of
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Speaker 1: the fire Department? Well, what I mean, what was wrong
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Speaker 1: with him?
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Speaker 2: Because he questioned a lot of the things that she
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Speaker 2: was trying to implement, for instance, that the DEI step.
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Speaker 2: He said, Look, CFD is full of diversity. I'm a
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Speaker 2: black fire chief. We've got several, you know, hundreds of
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Speaker 2: firefighters that are that are persons of color. We've got
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Speaker 2: people within the LGBTQ spectrum, we've got women, you know,
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Speaker 2: we've got we're already diverse, and we're not going to
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Speaker 2: take this DEI candidate and jump them for promotion over
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Speaker 2: somebody who's more qualified and has put in the time.
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Speaker 2: So she didn't like that, So, you know, she was
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Speaker 2: and here's the thing. She knows absolutely nothing about the
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Speaker 2: fire department. She knows nothing about the police department. So
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Speaker 2: I mean, really she knows nothing about being the city managers.
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Speaker 2: So she just Willie Milly started creating all these things
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Speaker 2: that we're going to implement, and he pushed back, Wow,
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Speaker 2: and said, you know, And he didn't just say no,
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Speaker 2: He said this is why this is this is why
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Speaker 2: this is a bad idea, you know, And he would
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Speaker 2: explain to her. She did not like that. So she
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Speaker 2: doesn't like anybody that's that even remotely pushes back. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's yeah, And so do I think they're going to
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Speaker 2: give Chief Washington his job back. I wish, in my hope,
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Speaker 2: my heart of hearts, I hope the city comes to
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Speaker 2: their senses, but I just don't see it happening there. Instead,
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Speaker 2: it's going to cost the taxpayer millions and millions and
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Speaker 2: millions of dollars.
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Speaker 1: And I'm glad you inserted the word taxpayer in there,
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Speaker 1: because this is not coming out of Chryl Long's pocket,
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Speaker 1: is not coming out of Pearl Voll's pocket, a Rollie's pocket.
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Speaker 1: It's coming out of the city coffers, which means the
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Speaker 1: taxpayers are on the hook for this just ridiculous conduct. Pause.
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Speaker 1: We'll bring back signal ninety nine at seven thirty eight
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Speaker 1: right now, if you five KRCD talk st the talk
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Speaker 1: station seven forty fifty five KRCD talk station. Bryan Thomas
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Speaker 1: was signaled ninety nine, pivoting over to the relationship the
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Speaker 1: Sin Sint Police Department I guess used to have with
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Speaker 1: the federal government. The CPD worked together, in partnership with
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Speaker 1: the federal government and built this award winning nationally recognized
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Speaker 1: Criminal Gun Intelligence Center CGIC, And they collect all this data,
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Speaker 1: violent crime enforcement data, and they put it together and
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Speaker 1: they use it for the purposes of boiling it down
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Speaker 1: and figuring out who the bad guys are. So again, celebrated,
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Speaker 1: I got the federal government even ponied up some significant
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Speaker 1: funds to help fund overtime for the CGIC, et cetera.
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Speaker 1: And you did a very detailed report at signal ninety
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Speaker 1: nine on Facebook. Why was it? What I will argue
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Speaker 1: is why has it been essentially dismantled and all the
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Speaker 1: people in the know that built this award winning program
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Speaker 1: have been put by the wayside Signal ninety nine.
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Speaker 2: Well, you notice, Brian, they didn't start trying to implode
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Speaker 2: it from within until Chief Tsue was placed on Leaves.
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Speaker 2: So that begs the question, who stands to gain with
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Speaker 2: dismantling SIGIC and taking out this massively important brain of
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Speaker 2: modern violent crime enforcement in the region. So, you know,
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Speaker 2: speculating of course, aside from the criminals getting away with it, Okay,
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Speaker 2: they're probably going to rejoice about it, but how does
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Speaker 2: iris really feel about this? Is there just too many
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Speaker 2: people getting charged through SIGIC in federal court and doing serious.
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Speaker 1: Time federal court, meaning they can get around the lax
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Speaker 1: law enforcement perception of the Hamilton County judges by filing
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Speaker 1: cases insteederal court.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So you've got to ask yourself. Given the mayors
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Speaker 2: really left leaning ideologies, the city managers, most of council,
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Speaker 2: the county prosecutor, the sheriff, and most of the judges
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Speaker 2: in Hambita County. You know they all want to you know,
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Speaker 2: kumbai ad out. Oh let's just send them for therapy
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Speaker 2: or you know, you know whatever, let's not send them
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Speaker 2: to prison. They all have they all share this uh
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Speaker 2: reimagined justice for violent criminal offenders. Well, SIJIK takes that
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Speaker 2: right out of their hands. The prosecutor gets skipped, the
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Speaker 2: sheriff gets skipped, the courthouse gets skipped, It goes straight
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Speaker 2: to federal court. These guys and gals are are making
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Speaker 2: federal cases. So now that's being sabotaged from within. These
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Speaker 2: people are going to be just going through the motions
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Speaker 2: and County Court. Again we wait.
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Speaker 1: So I guess I have to put an exclamation point
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Speaker 1: on this. The Criminal Gun Intelligence Center was wonderful and
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Speaker 1: again noted nationally for its success and putting together all
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Speaker 1: of this data so they could go to court supported
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Speaker 1: by the data probable cause charges filed. There will be
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Speaker 1: due process in federal court, they will be entitled to
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Speaker 1: an attorney. They will be able to argue that there
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Speaker 1: should be reasonable doubt. So they're still getting all the
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Speaker 1: benefits of the wonderful criminal justice system. It's just that
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Speaker 1: they're in a different venue. And if to the extent
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Speaker 1: the Criminal Gun Intelligence Center has created whole cloth or
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Speaker 1: otherwise fabricated data, the defense attorney's going to figure that out. No,
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Speaker 1: this is real info, backed by evidence presented in court
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Speaker 1: with an opportunity to defend oneself. So it happens in
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Speaker 1: federal court, happens in state court. I don't know what
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Speaker 1: the problem is. I really don't. Other than what you're
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Speaker 1: put you're painting a picture that.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, go ahead, no fish. The problem is too many
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Speaker 2: criminals are going to get hard several times. That's the problem.
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Speaker 2: So we have to destroy it. We can't have this
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Speaker 2: we can't have, you know, we can't bypass our own
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Speaker 2: courthouse full of judges that are happy just putting people
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Speaker 2: back on EMU or at a ten percent of a
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars bond and just letting them roam the streets
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Speaker 2: and keep committing violent crimes. We you know, stoftball sentencing.
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Speaker 2: You know, they don't like that brand. They don't like
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Speaker 2: the federal court and federal prosecutors taking these cases out
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Speaker 2: of their venue. They don't like it.
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Speaker 1: Well, I wonder, right, you know, going back to the
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Speaker 1: survey we talked about earlier, I wonder what the residents
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Speaker 1: of the city is sin saying how they feel about
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Speaker 1: lacks law enforcement and lacks sentencing. Because we all know many, many,
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Speaker 1: many of the folks in the criminal justice systems are
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Speaker 1: recidivists and at some point, at some time, they need
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Speaker 1: to be taught a lesson. If you keep letting them
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Speaker 1: out the door and allowing them to get away with violence,
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Speaker 1: or maybe even allow them to commit crimes carrying a
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Speaker 1: firearm when they're already under disability. We keep hearing about,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, gun violence. We need to do some
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Speaker 1: bad gun violence. Lock them up, make or demonstrate or
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Speaker 1: make an illustration out of them. You know, the cautionary tale. Gee,
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Speaker 1: I guess I better not carry a gun or I'm
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Speaker 1: going to have a problem on my hands. Gee. I
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Speaker 1: thought that's what law enforcement was supposed to be about.
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Speaker 1: One more was signal ninety nine coming up right now
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Speaker 1: at seven forty eight, fifty five KRCD Talks seven fifty
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Speaker 1: one Here fifty five KRCD Talk station, Very happy Friday
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Speaker 1: to you. A couple more minutes here with signal ninety nine.
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Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine. My phone's blowing up, So I got
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Speaker 1: all kinds of people letting me know they're listening to
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Speaker 1: and getting thoroughly enlightened by your revelations here in the
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Speaker 1: morning show, and again follow her on Facebook. Signal ninety nine.
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Speaker 1: You're going to get these revelations almost on a daily basis.
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Speaker 1: So boiled down, we have a wildly successful evidence gathering
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Speaker 1: program working when cooperating with the federal government using all
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Speaker 1: the data and resources they have. It's working well. It's
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Speaker 1: recognized nationally as working, and we wouldn't even need the
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Speaker 1: federal courts. But were it not for lax judges and
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Speaker 1: soft on crime judges in Hamilton County, Unfortunately, we do
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Speaker 1: have a venue in federal court to handle these matters.
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Speaker 1: There's you know, concurrent jurisdiction federal crimes and state crimes,
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Speaker 1: but there are federal crimes that were violated here, and
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Speaker 1: so why not just hall them into federal court where
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Speaker 1: you know they're going to get justice. But the reaction
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Speaker 1: from Cherah Long and the others in basically taking the
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Speaker 1: wind out of the sales of this award winning program
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Speaker 1: by replacing them all with a whole bunch of different people.
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Speaker 1: Are the people that they replace the creators with the
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Speaker 1: really experience since sint police professionals, are they incapable of
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Speaker 1: continuing the work at the Criminal Judge Intelligence Center or
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Speaker 1: were they placed in the position because they're not capable
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Speaker 1: of doing it and therefore or undermine the value of
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Speaker 1: having the program in place Signal ninety nine.
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Speaker 2: These these individuals were there from the inception of CIGIC.
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Speaker 2: You've got brains of intelligent analysts and supervisors and the
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Speaker 2: captains that have been moved out that are currently being
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Speaker 2: transferred out and send to places like youth services or patrol.
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Speaker 2: And it's ridiculous. It's a slap in the face. So
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Speaker 2: here's what I'm going to say, Brian, I'm talking to
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Speaker 2: Sheriff Stratton in Claremont County. I'm talking to Sheriff Jones
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Speaker 2: and Butler County. I'm talking to the corner of Hamilton County.
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Speaker 2: Can somebody step up and say, hey, you know what,
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Speaker 2: We'll take CIGIC. We'll take CIGIC. We will allow the
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Speaker 2: ATF and HSI will take their three point eight million
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Speaker 2: dollars that they pay for overtime a year for CIGICH
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Speaker 2: and all of the technology, and you can work out
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Speaker 2: of our department, and we'll just go ahead and hire
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Speaker 2: all of these brilliant people that are being transferred out
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Speaker 2: to get this division of SIEGIC under the CPD. Just
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Speaker 2: hire them, take them. We need it in the region.
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Speaker 2: It's not just Cincinnati. It's a regional gun crime intelligence center.
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Speaker 2: So I'm throwing that out there, so hopefully somebody is
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Speaker 2: willing to sit down with ATF and hs I and say, hey,
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Speaker 2: come on over here. We'd be happy to have you.
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Speaker 2: And I know that the people involved that are being
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Speaker 2: transferred out are just passionate enough that they would consider
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Speaker 2: weaving their careers with CPD if they could continue this
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Speaker 2: work somewhere else.
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Speaker 1: Fair enough. I know there's a four hire sign hanging
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Speaker 1: in a lot of police departments outside of Hamilton County
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Speaker 1: generally speaking, so there's some excellent opportunities maybe have a
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Speaker 1: more stable work life, actually make a decent salary, and
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Speaker 1: not have to deal with the political shenanigans and nonsense
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Speaker 1: coming out of city Hall here in the greater in
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Signal ninety nine. It has been a distinct pleasure
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Speaker 1: having here on the show, as it always is, and
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Speaker 1: I hope we can do this again. You know, it
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Speaker 1: will be nice a week where there aren't any revelations
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Speaker 1: that you show as you reveal on your page. Oh
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Speaker 1: my god, the world's a safe place. There's nothing to
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Speaker 1: talk about. You know, I'd still have you on. We
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Speaker 1: could talk about something that's less heady. But God bless
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Speaker 1: you for the work that you're doing on behalf of
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Speaker 1: all of the residents of the city of Cincinnati and
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Speaker 1: of course Hamilton County and beyond. And I'm sure that
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Speaker 1: Chief Washington, former Chief Washington, appreciates your support of him,
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Speaker 1: as do I. And just wait for it. I think
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Speaker 1: a big check's got to be written. Ninety nine. I
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Speaker 1: hope you have a wonderful weekend. I want to thank
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Speaker 1: you again for everything that you do for all of us.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Brian, can I tell you one more day?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely?
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Speaker 2: My little birdies are telling me that Tony the Pillich
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Speaker 2: is thinked about overturning yet another murder conviction. So I
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Speaker 2: just want to ask you one question and then I'll
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Speaker 2: let you go. Don't you have to have actual integrity
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Speaker 2: to run and a conviction integrity unit. So that's my
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Speaker 2: big question for.
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Speaker 1: The day, the big concluding rhetorical question. As we've heard
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Speaker 1: company on a Friday, I have a wonderful weekend. We
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Speaker 1: will apparently be talking again soon, probably about that other things.
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