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Clydesdale Media Roundtable - Third Party Investigation is Over, What Next? · Clydesdale Media Podcast

• 0:28
  What is going on, everybody?
• 0:29
  Welcome to the Gladstone Media Roundtable.
• 0:32
  Lunch with the crew.
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  Here we are.
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  Yay.
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  The two of us.
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  Here we are.
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  Did you have lunch yet?
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  I have not.
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  No, all I've had today is the protein bar.
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  I am way behind on everything.
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  I spent my morning in the
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  doctor's waiting room,
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  like we tend to do sometimes.
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  My appointment was at nine forty.
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  The nurse took me back to
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  the room at ten forty.
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  I had a very important work
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  meeting at eleven that I
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  was hoping to make.
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  And at eleven is when the doctor came in.
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  And at eleven oh three,
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  I was out of there.
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  Wow.
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  So annoying.
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  It is.
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  annoying.
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  They have a sign in the waiting room.
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  It says, don't let us forget you.
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  If you've been here more
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  than thirty minutes,
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  please come up to the desk
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  and let us know.
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  So at the thirty minute mark,
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  I went up to the desk and I was like, hey,
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  I'm here.
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  And she's like, oh, oh,
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  have you signed in yet?
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  I'm like, yeah, no, I'm here.
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  Like you have a sign that
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  says come and tell you if
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  it's been thirty minutes.
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  I'm telling you it's been thirty minutes.
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  She's like, oh, you're next.
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  They'll be right out for you.
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  And it was a whole nother
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  thirty minutes before they
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  actually took me back.
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  But I got my fourth
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  cortisone injection in my elbow,
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  and it feels wonderful.
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  So there's that.
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  Do you get those, like, quarterly?
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  Good grief.
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  The last one I got was in April.
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  Okay.
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  And I think my whole, like,
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  that flicking of the
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  paintbrush sort of re-aggravated it.
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  So he said after this he
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  would consider surgery,
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  and I'm not getting surgery
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  for tennis elbow.
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  That's just ridiculous.
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  We'll see.
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  Yeah,
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  so Julie was getting cortisone in her
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  knee every three months.
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  But now that the surgery's coming up,
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  she's not allowed to get it.
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  Right.
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  She has some really bad days right now.
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  We're just trying to get
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  through the next month
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  before her surgery and then
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  hopefully some permanent relief.
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  Yeah, that would be nice.
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  But I do have a fun story.
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  It wasn't fun at the time,
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  but looking back, you know,
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  it's kind of fun now.
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  But so I've been working on
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  this project for three to four weeks.
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  And last night was our smoke test,
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  which means we wait till
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  everybody goes home at the
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  end of the night.
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  We work late.
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  We put it,
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  we launch it into the production
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  environment and see if anything breaks.
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  Okay.
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  So while this is going on,
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  Julie put something in the
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  garbage disposal and it clogs.
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  So I'm like, okay.
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  So I go over.
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  I can't get it to budge.
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  In fact,
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  now it has flipped and everything
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  is spinning in reverse.
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  So when you turn it on,
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  it sprays up through the
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  drain instead of down.
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  So our garbage disposal does
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  not have a hand crank to
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  like get it through.
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  So now I have to get under
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  the sink and take apart the
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  pipes and the plumbing to get in there.
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  Well,
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  so much pressure was created in the
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  pipe that when I pulled the first one off,
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  I get a pot roast shower all over me.
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  What is she putting down the sink?
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  Everything?
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  It was old pot roast that we
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  had pot roasting carrots.
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  And so just sprayed in like meat juice.
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  I get it all apart.
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  I get all the pieces out.
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  I put it all back together, reset it.
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  And it actually worked.
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  And I actually felt like,
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  even though it was covered in meat juice,
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  I felt like a man.
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  You know what I mean?
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  Like juice.
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  Right.
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  Because I pulled all the plumbing out.
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  I cleaned it all out and it,
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  and I got it to work again.
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  And like, that's a big accomplishment.
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  I didn't grow up with those skills.
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  Like I learned those through poverty.
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  Like when Julie and I were
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  struggling and we couldn't
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  afford to have someone come
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  in and I had to figure it out.
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  Like that's kind of what it was,
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  but took a shower, meat juice gone.
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  Got some masculinity in me
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  last night and all while
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  I'm testing this stuff.
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  So yeah.
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  Love it.
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  And then the test failed and
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  we had to back out all the
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  changes and we'll have to
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  do it again next week.
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  Oh no.
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  That sounds fun.
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  Is that a situation where
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  like you try to break it on purpose or?
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  So we spent three to four
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  weeks trying to break it.
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  Okay, they were ready to go.
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  So it was supposed to be good to go.
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  And it broke things that
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  weren't even connected to this,
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  this piece.
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  Always happens that way.
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  Yeah.
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  So fun times,
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  and it is the most boring
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  thing ever because you'll
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  be on with the vendor and they'll be like,
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  okay,
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  we're gonna turn on this piece of it.
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  And then you wait for like,
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  fifteen minutes as that happens.
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  Okay, we're done.
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  Now we're gonna turn on this piece.
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  And then you have like to go
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  in and get as much in as
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  you can and try to see if it works.
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  And then we had to roll it
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  all back and then you have
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  to stay on as it rolls all
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  back and then run it and
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  test it to see if now the
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  stuff that was broke when
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  you put it in there is now
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  fixed again when you took it out.
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  Right.
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  Wow.
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  Yeah.
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  So fun times.
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  and the whole time like
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  julie's making dinner and
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  I'm drooling and then the
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  sink gets clogged and yeah
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  all that stuff all in like
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  two hours we've got some
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  some folks in the chat hi
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  guys yeah what's up kenneth
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  lex craig cory yeah
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  So there was an
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  investigation done that we
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  were told that CrossFit was
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  going to be transparent with us.
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  It was not released yesterday,
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  but there was some
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  information that was
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  released yesterday in
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  changes that CrossFit is
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  making in response to the investigation.
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  Yes.
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  And so I...
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  When CrossFit came out and
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  said they were going to be
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  fully transparent,
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  I was watching John Woolley at the time,
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  and he said,
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  there's no way they can be transparent.
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  There's no way they can release this.
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  There are legal things, HR issues.
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  You just cannot release that report.
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  And he was right.
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  There is no way because of
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  the names and addresses and
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  things that are in that report.
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  It just can't be released open.
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  But I guess what I am
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  disappointed in is that
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  there wasn't a summary of the findings.
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  Yeah, why not?
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  I guess we're just left to
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  assume that if you look at
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  the medical examiner's report,
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  the cause of death was drowning,
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  the reason was accidental,
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  and that's all we get to know.
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  There was no summary of this
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  third-party investigation.
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  I didn't expect them to say,
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  here's our report,
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  read it in its entirety.
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  But I did expect, hey,
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  these were the things that were found,
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  and then what was released yesterday,
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  and here is our reaction to that.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm guessing that there's
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  still probably some legal
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  action that is either going
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  to be taken or that has been taken.
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  that probably makes it so
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  it's in CrossFit's best
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  interest not to discuss.
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  Or it could even be they're
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  not allowed to discuss.
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  I think there's got to be a
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  way that they can do a summary.
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  Yeah.
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  Like a very edited version
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  of what is in that report
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  to say these are the
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  findings and this is what we're doing.
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  I mean, you would think if it was like,
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  hey, we weren't negligent, or hey, we
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  hey, we weren't this or hey,
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  we weren't that,
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  I feel like they would have
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  talked about it.
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  But if they were found to be
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  negligent or had some missteps,
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  which I think we all can
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  agree probably is the case,
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  then I could see why they
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  wouldn't be putting that out.
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  Not that I agree with it,
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  but what are you going to do?
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  I guess I see your point to some degree,
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  but yeah, I mean to come up,
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  but to basically ignore the
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  findings and just say, Hey,
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  this is what we're doing rings.
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  It brings hollow.
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  I mean,
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  it would have been nice if they
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  gave an explanation as to
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  why they weren't sharing the results.
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  They could have done that.
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  You know, they could have said, Hey,
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  we're still in the midst of
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  some things and you know, we can't,
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  we can't, or we won't.
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  share this that and the
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  other but maybe someday we
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  will and you know keep
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  listening it's got us it's
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  got everybody hanging on
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  yeah uh I guess if you're
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  in the crossfit space you
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  have to be living under a
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  rock not to have seen what
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  was released uh we'll go
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  over it real quick we're
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  not going to go into grave
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  detail as many other shows
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  have already done that um
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  and so I'll share what was
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  released by crossfit real quick here
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  Yeah, and I'll just say,
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  if there are details in
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  there that are important,
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  they'll come out.
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  There are too many people at
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  CrossFit that don't keep their mouth shut,
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  that it will, you know,
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  Hiller or somebody will
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  find out about it and tell us about it,
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  I'm sure.
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  so the top of it it just
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  talks about that there was
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  an investigation that many
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  people were questioned and
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  all this kind of stuff and
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  then it says because of
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  that this is what's
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  happening and they're
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  basically hiring a new
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  position that is uh
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  supplementing the crossfit
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  sport leadership team and
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  their responsibility is
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  going to be safety and etc um
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  From what I gather from
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  watching other shows is
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  that this may have already
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  existed in a limited form,
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  like a part-time or volunteer position.
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  And now it will be a full-time position.
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  And this position reports to
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  Dave and Dawn.
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  And the other aspect of this
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  is that it is clear in this
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  section that Dave is being
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  retained as the head of sport.
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  He's not going anywhere.
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  Right.
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  And I, we can talk offline,
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  but I think I have some
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  candidates for that role
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  that I think I want to
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  share with you to see if I'm right.
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  Okay.
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  I haven't, I haven't inkling.
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  I think they should go
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  outside of the normal
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  CrossFit space and bring
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  someone in from the outside
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  that has experience in event planning.
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  But that's just me.
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  That would be,
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  I think the best look is to
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  bring someone from the outside,
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  but I don't know.
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  The fact that they've
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  already started to build a
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  slate of candidates.
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  Oh God, sorry.
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  I jumped out.
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  No, I mean,
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  then this is the next part I
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  think is what I was talking about more.
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  So this advisory board.
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  And then they're going to be
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  creating a CrossFit Games
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  Safety Advisory Board.
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  It will be made up of people
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  with a diverse expertise,
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  including emergency responders,
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  former athletes,
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  to ensure the comprehensive
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  perspectives over CrossFit
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  and start building a slate
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  of candidates and plans to
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  communicate more details
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  about this appointed thing
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  in the coming weeks, months.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, in addition to that,
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  they're suspending open
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  water swimming events.
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  Um, if there will be a swimming event,
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  it'll be a controlled environment, uh,
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  such as a pool.
• 13:21
  Oh, I don't hate that for now.
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  Yeah.
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  Uh, enhancing pre-event rehearsals,
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  communication protocols and
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  emergency resources.
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  Um,
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  like I know they test the hell out of
• 13:35
  things, um,
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  I don't know.
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  Again,
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  this just could be corporate speak
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  as making it public as to what they do.
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  They do talk about expanding
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  the athlete briefings,
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  which you and I have sat through.
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  Those athletes don't pay
• 13:52
  attention to what's there in the moment.
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  And they're already too long.
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  Yeah.
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  And a lot of questions don't
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  really get addressed either.
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  I mean, they do, but they don't.
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  It depends on who's giving them, but.
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  I feel like it's more around rules of,
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  you know,
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  movement standards and not
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  anything around, you know,
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  safety specifics.
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  Yeah,
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  the only time I can remember the
• 14:17
  safety thing being brought
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  up was the rope climb at
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  Syndicate Crown when Scott
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  Pancheck hurt his knee.
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  Yeah, and really...
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  yeah and really the only
• 14:30
  time I remember safety
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  being being brought up and
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  headlined is when wilson
• 14:35
  pock did anything like he
• 14:37
  before he even addressed
• 14:38
  the crowd to welcome them
• 14:40
  he would talk about
• 14:42
  emergency exits in the
• 14:43
  building and you know this
• 14:44
  is the person you go to
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  he's really good at that I
• 14:47
  thought all his events were
• 14:48
  pretty buttoned up uh
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  they're also going to
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  expand mental and emotional
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  support resources
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  I'm fine with all, with all of that.
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  And then the last thing is
• 15:02
  establishing a CrossFit athlete council.
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  Um,
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  many of the shows have talked about
• 15:07
  this being a middle finger to the PFAA.
• 15:10
  Um, it is, um,
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  there was an athlete council
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  for a good number of years.
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  Um, our very good friend, uh,
• 15:21
  Alexis de Troyes was a
• 15:23
  member of that athlete
• 15:24
  council for a year or so.
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  Um,
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  but this is what will be
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  different is this basically
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  they'll have more say and
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  it will represent all levels of athlete,
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  including masters teams, all of that.
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  So that aspect of it, I like,
• 15:50
  but I know that when the
• 15:52
  last athlete council was put together,
• 15:54
  I'm not sure they were
• 15:56
  counseled as much as,
• 15:58
  they should be.
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  And it was maybe more of an
• 16:01
  appearance than, than a reality.
• 16:05
  This has to be like an honorary title,
• 16:07
  right?
• 16:08
  With not a lot of action.
• 16:09
  I think this needs to be
• 16:11
  taken more seriously if
• 16:12
  they do it right this time.
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  I do like the aspect that
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  they are going to include
• 16:22
  all the different divisions
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  representing them.
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  So
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  That is that.
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  And then I have heard
• 16:31
  several rumors that there
• 16:32
  will be more about the upcoming season,
• 16:36
  possibly tomorrow.
• 16:38
  Cool.
• 16:40
  Yeah,
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  I think a lot of people are waiting
• 16:43
  on that.
• 16:45
  Before we move on to other things,
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  there was some response on the internet,
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  of course.
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  And one of those was from Luca.
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  Um,
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  He shared this post
• 17:03
  immediately following that
• 17:04
  release where he said,
• 17:06
  no investigation can reveal
• 17:07
  anything other than the
• 17:08
  fact that there was no
• 17:09
  reaction when it was needed.
• 17:11
  Shortly after CrossFit Inc.
• 17:12
  announced their third-party investigation,
• 17:14
  I was informed by a source
• 17:16
  that they would not be
• 17:16
  sharing the results.
• 17:18
  However,
• 17:18
  I wanted to hear this directly from them.
• 17:21
  This is merely a let's buy some time,
• 17:24
  move until the community forgets,
• 17:26
  and it's time to cash in on them again.
• 17:28
  The next time you consider
• 17:29
  signing up for the open
• 17:31
  paying your affiliate fee
• 17:32
  or letting a few CrossFit
• 17:33
  Inc oriented media pawns
• 17:35
  influence you think
• 17:37
  carefully about giving your money,
• 17:38
  power and time to a company
• 17:40
  that does not value human life.
• 17:42
  That's deep.
• 17:47
  Yeah.
• 17:48
  And it's his brother.
• 17:49
  Like he, he's going to be mad.
• 17:51
  I get that.
• 17:52
  Um,
• 17:54
  And so his feelings are
• 17:55
  valid through all of that
• 17:57
  and definitely has the
• 17:59
  right to make those posts.
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  Because that was his brother that suffered,
• 18:09
  lost his life in this.
• 18:10
  So yeah,
• 18:11
  and we truly know the full impact
• 18:15
  of what he's getting at
• 18:17
  until the open starts.
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  And there will be this huge
• 18:22
  microscope on who registers
• 18:25
  and who doesn't in the elite groups.
• 18:29
  And I think we're going to
• 18:30
  find some cohorts that are not playing.
• 18:35
  I do believe Clock asks,
• 18:42
  are we a CrossFit Inc.
• 18:45
  oriented media pawn?
• 18:47
  I would say no.
• 18:50
  We don't... They don't even
• 18:52
  communicate with us.
• 18:53
  So...
• 18:59
  there's already been some
• 18:59
  reaction from athletes.
• 19:01
  Emma McQuaid made an
• 19:02
  announcement that she is
• 19:03
  not participating in the
• 19:04
  twenty twenty five game season.
• 19:07
  Elliott Simmons made a post.
• 19:10
  So there already is some
• 19:12
  trickling of effect of this.
• 19:14
  So we'll have to see over
• 19:16
  the next few months if there is more.
• 19:23
  Yeah.
• 19:27
  Interesting.
• 19:27
  I have a
• 19:29
  I just have, I love this sport, right?
• 19:34
  I love this sport and I love
• 19:36
  covering it and I love
• 19:37
  everything about it.
• 19:40
  Has it been mismanaged?
• 19:42
  It sure has,
• 19:44
  but I don't want it to just go away.
• 19:46
  And I think, gosh, it's just,
• 19:52
  Here's the thing that gets
• 19:55
  me is when you go to the games,
• 19:57
  it is the safest that I see
• 19:59
  what the athletes being –
• 20:02
  thought of crossfit has
• 20:04
  reacted over time there
• 20:06
  were burnt hands on on rigs
• 20:08
  and barbells now they have
• 20:10
  covers that cover them
• 20:12
  their their people fell
• 20:13
  from ropes and were out of
• 20:14
  the games now they have the
• 20:16
  big crash mats like things
• 20:18
  have happened in the past
• 20:19
  where they've responded
• 20:22
  appropriately and now it is
• 20:24
  much much safer this was a
• 20:27
  tragic event that everybody
• 20:29
  is hopefully going to learn from
• 20:33
  I wish someone didn't have
• 20:35
  to die to learn the lesson,
• 20:38
  but we need more lifeguards in the water.
• 20:40
  We need more.
• 20:43
  You know,
• 20:43
  I watched some of the behind the
• 20:44
  scenes of the NorCal
• 20:45
  classic and they made all
• 20:47
  the swimmers wear a
• 20:48
  personal flotation device.
• 20:50
  Yeah.
• 20:51
  that they drug behind them.
• 20:53
  There are,
• 20:54
  there are solutions to this problem.
• 20:56
  I wish Lazar didn't have to
• 20:58
  die for us to get to this point, but I,
• 21:01
  I have to trust in the
• 21:02
  track record of what
• 21:03
  CrossFit has done in the
• 21:04
  past that they will make
• 21:05
  changes to make that safer.
• 21:07
  And right now they're
• 21:08
  getting rid of all open
• 21:09
  water swims anyway.
• 21:12
  I've watched a lot of other
• 21:13
  events where I didn't think
• 21:15
  the athletes were very safe.
• 21:18
  And I think that while you
• 21:20
  may have issues with CrossFit,
• 21:21
  and I understand where some
• 21:24
  people felt like Castro
• 21:26
  lied to them and that
• 21:27
  they're never going to
• 21:28
  forgive him for that.
• 21:30
  And I understand that.
• 21:32
  But some of these other
• 21:33
  events are not safe.
• 21:35
  And everybody is bundling
• 21:37
  this safety issue as their
• 21:39
  big beef when I truly
• 21:41
  believe the beef is other aspects of it.
• 21:44
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:46
  They're using Lazar's death
• 21:47
  to try to have a platform
• 21:49
  to get the change they want.
• 21:51
  But the change is really for
• 21:52
  another reason.
• 21:53
  Yeah.
• 21:54
  I think the same thing with, you know,
• 21:55
  wanting Dave's head on the platter too.
• 21:57
  I think most of the people
• 21:58
  that are on that bandwagon
• 22:02
  had issues with Dave in the past.
• 22:08
  And you and I have worked
• 22:09
  for big companies before, right?
• 22:12
  Or like I work for the state of Ohio.
• 22:14
  There are times you're not
• 22:15
  allowed to say anything you
• 22:18
  want to say because they have muted you.
• 22:22
  And like it or not,
• 22:24
  Berkshire owns CrossFit now.
• 22:27
  And somebody died.
• 22:29
  And their people are going
• 22:30
  to tell you what you can and cannot say.
• 22:35
  Yeah.
• 22:46
  Um, James W says, felt like Castro lied.
• 22:48
  He did lie,
• 22:49
  called a misrepresentation if you want,
• 22:51
  but he lied unless dozens
• 22:52
  of athletes and coaches are
• 22:54
  lying about what happened.
• 22:57
  Yeah.
• 22:58
  Right.
• 23:00
  I was not present for any of that.
• 23:02
  That's why I'm using looser terms.
• 23:04
  Yes.
• 23:05
  People are saying,
• 23:06
  and Castro did come out and
• 23:07
  admit that he
• 23:08
  misrepresented or however he
• 23:10
  wants to phrase it.
• 23:11
  The truth in that matter.
• 23:16
  I guess the feel like at this point is,
• 23:19
  do you feel like that's a
• 23:20
  deal breaker or not?
• 23:21
  And we're going to find out
• 23:22
  who feels that's a deal breaker.
• 23:28
  Yeah.
• 23:28
  And it'll be interesting to see, you know,
• 23:30
  if there is a big fallout,
• 23:32
  what other events are going
• 23:34
  to step up to sort of fill
• 23:36
  the void for those athletes.
• 23:38
  Cause I don't think those
• 23:39
  athletes are just going to
• 23:39
  walk away from the sport necessarily.
• 23:49
  Yeah.
• 23:50
  Yeah.
• 23:50
  I mean, there are alternatives.
• 23:51
  You can make a lot.
• 23:52
  If you're in it for the money,
• 23:53
  there's plenty of places to
• 23:54
  go make money.
• 23:58
  Yeah.
• 23:59
  And we'll cover it and we'll, you know,
• 24:01
  talk about it and...
• 24:04
  I just don't think there's
• 24:07
  nothing right now presently
• 24:08
  that brings the strength of
• 24:11
  field together like the CrossFit Games.
• 24:14
  And until there's somebody
• 24:16
  else that does that,
• 24:17
  that makes you feel the best of the best,
• 24:22
  we're stuck where we are.
• 24:24
  Yeah.
• 24:25
  And the only other one I can
• 24:27
  think of that brings the
• 24:27
  best of the best is Rogue,
• 24:29
  but that is dependent on
• 24:30
  your scores at the other
• 24:32
  place where the best of the best is.
• 24:33
  Yeah, I think that's going to change.
• 24:38
  Yeah, I don't know.
• 24:40
  If Rogue is a major sponsor
• 24:41
  of the CrossFit Games,
• 24:42
  there is a business
• 24:43
  relationship there that we
• 24:45
  have to see how they feel
• 24:47
  about the relationship or not.
• 24:49
  Yeah,
• 24:50
  but it doesn't mean that they can't
• 24:52
  change the rules of their
• 24:52
  invitation and they can
• 24:53
  invite whoever they want.
• 24:55
  They don't have to invite
• 24:57
  the top twenty at the games.
• 25:02
  They're not doing the games
• 25:03
  any favors by doing that.
• 25:04
  You know what I mean?
• 25:05
  It's not benefiting CrossFit necessarily.
• 25:10
  I don't know.
• 25:12
  I think they can maintain
• 25:13
  their business support for
• 25:16
  the event and still do
• 25:19
  their own thing at their own event.
• 25:21
  Yeah.
• 25:25
  I agree.
• 25:26
  But if you saw Katie's interview this week,
• 25:29
  she is very adamant that
• 25:30
  they are not finding the
• 25:32
  fittest on earth.
• 25:35
  Right.
• 25:36
  That is not what they are
• 25:38
  trying to accomplish.
• 25:42
  But what they are trying to accomplish,
• 25:43
  they're doing a great job of.
• 25:44
  They could easily swing into
• 25:46
  something else if they wanted to.
• 25:49
  Yeah.
• 25:50
  And who's to say that that
• 25:51
  concept doesn't need to be the standard?
• 25:55
  right?
• 25:56
  Like you can have events
• 26:00
  like golf events where
• 26:02
  there isn't just one big
• 26:04
  culmination of who's the
• 26:07
  best golfer in the world, right?
• 26:08
  I mean,
• 26:08
  you can look at stats and sort of
• 26:10
  make assumptions,
• 26:11
  but there isn't like one big event.
• 26:13
  So who's to say that CrossFit has to have,
• 26:17
  you know,
• 26:18
  the biggest event where it's
• 26:20
  crowning the fittest,
• 26:21
  where it can't just be a
• 26:22
  whole bunch of events where
• 26:23
  people get first, second, or third and
• 26:24
  you know, aside for yourself.
• 26:28
  They do that in tennis, right?
• 26:29
  You have clay court, you have grass court,
• 26:31
  you have hard court and
• 26:33
  there's not a world champion, right?
• 26:37
  And you can be the best clay court player,
• 26:39
  but maybe not the others or,
• 26:42
  and why couldn't you have a
• 26:43
  big four that you have the,
• 26:45
  the strongest athlete and
• 26:47
  you have the best endurance
• 26:49
  athlete and you have the, you know,
• 26:51
  we could, it could be done the same way.
• 26:54
  I think we're years away from that, but,
• 26:56
  um, and maybe this is the,
• 26:59
  the straw that starts that down a road.
• 27:03
  Um, we don't know.
• 27:04
  We, we did get word this week that, um,
• 27:07
  wills, um, WPF, is that what it is?
• 27:12
  We're old.
• 27:14
  Yeah.
• 27:15
  It is, uh, going to be three events, uh,
• 27:17
  to like preliminary events
• 27:19
  and a championship.
• 27:21
  We don't know what that's tied to yet.
• 27:23
  No specific details on that.
• 27:26
  But we do know that there
• 27:27
  will be a three-event
• 27:30
  season by athletes for
• 27:32
  athletes is their tagline
• 27:33
  now coming this season.
• 27:41
  Corey,
• 27:41
  tennis also has the Australian Open too.
• 27:43
  They have a big four.
• 27:44
  Yeah, it's a big four.
• 27:49
  Right.
• 27:49
  And golf has golf has like the skins.
• 27:51
  That's like, that's like grid.
• 27:53
  Right.
• 27:53
  Yeah.
• 27:53
  I like it.
• 27:54
  We can do that.
• 27:57
  Golf has four, two.
• 27:58
  They have the masters.
• 28:00
  They have the U S open.
• 28:01
  They have the British open
• 28:03
  and they have the PGA championship.
• 28:06
  Not that it's the championship.
• 28:07
  It's just always played at the PGA course.
• 28:10
  Right.
• 28:14
  I like it.
• 28:15
  So in other news,
• 28:21
  It was revealed accidentally.
• 28:24
  And that's why we do live
• 28:25
  shows and not prerecorded
• 28:27
  because you have to depend on editing.
• 28:30
  But not intended talking
• 28:32
  fitness released an episode.
• 28:34
  And at the very beginning of that episode,
• 28:35
  before they were to have gone live,
• 28:39
  they were recorded talking
• 28:41
  and Tommy Marquez revealed that Katrin,
• 28:43
  David's daughter is retiring.
• 28:44
  And then Lauren actually
• 28:46
  confirmed that in a
• 28:47
  conversation with Presley,
• 28:49
  who is at HWPO that has,
• 28:52
  that video has since been
• 28:53
  removed from YouTube.
• 28:58
  But yeah,
• 28:58
  you and I did a lot of
• 28:59
  editing back in the day of
• 29:00
  our episodes and I'm so
• 29:02
  glad that that wasn't us.
• 29:07
  Yeah.
• 29:07
  Cause sometimes the stuff we
• 29:08
  talk about outside of the
• 29:10
  recording or the live, uh,
• 29:13
  it should not make air and
• 29:15
  that's what happened here.
• 29:16
  And so apparently Katrin
• 29:18
  after ten years of making
• 29:19
  the games is hanging it up
• 29:21
  to start a family.
• 29:22
  Yeah.
• 29:24
  Somebody made a joke that
• 29:25
  it's not the first time
• 29:26
  that they announced a
• 29:28
  retirement early when they
• 29:29
  talked about Tia's
• 29:30
  retirement at the games in
• 29:33
  twenty twenty one.
• 29:34
  That's great.
• 29:36
  Yeah, I don't I mean,
• 29:38
  I don't know how you
• 29:39
  accidentally leave that in.
• 29:42
  I don't.
• 29:42
  Yeah.
• 29:44
  Did we record stuff like our
• 29:46
  conversations before we
• 29:47
  actually started our conversations?
• 29:49
  I felt like.
• 29:51
  We knew when someone was
• 29:51
  hitting the button that that's the start.
• 29:54
  I don't know.
• 29:56
  Yeah, probably.
• 29:59
  but they, they,
• 29:59
  they actually have like a
• 30:00
  production crew.
• 30:01
  Right.
• 30:03
  And so maybe they don't know
• 30:04
  when the button is totally hit.
• 30:05
  Yeah.
• 30:06
  I don't know.
• 30:07
  And they just lop off the
• 30:09
  beginning and the ending.
• 30:11
  I don't know.
• 30:12
  I'm not in their, their camp.
• 30:15
  But I know that I have
• 30:16
  missed things in the middle
• 30:18
  that I wanted to edit out
• 30:19
  and forgot about it last
• 30:20
  minute in a rush.
• 30:22
  Yeah.
• 30:23
  Back and do it after it's catastrophic,
• 30:27
  but sure.
• 30:27
  Yeah,
• 30:28
  I think based on Katrin's Instagram
• 30:30
  lately,
• 30:30
  I think we all kind of assumed
• 30:31
  that she was done competing
• 30:32
  though because she's gotten
• 30:34
  some enhancements done to
• 30:36
  her body and we feel like
• 30:38
  she's probably going to get
• 30:38
  pregnant at some point.
• 30:40
  I mean,
• 30:40
  that's at least been some of the talk.
• 30:44
  Yeah.
• 30:49
  So good for her.
• 30:50
  Good for them.
• 30:51
  Corey said, watching the clip,
• 30:52
  it felt intentional.
• 30:53
  Sean gave them a countdown
• 30:55
  after they talked about Katrin.
• 30:59
  Yeah, I don't know how you miss that.
• 31:01
  But some people like to show
• 31:05
  that they know things
• 31:06
  before everyone else knows things.
• 31:08
  And I feel like there are a
• 31:10
  lot of people in the space
• 31:11
  that like to flex on that.
• 31:14
  And,
• 31:15
  and we are very good at not doing that.
• 31:17
  We try
• 31:21
  are there are a lot of
• 31:22
  things that we've known
• 31:23
  about that we haven't said
• 31:24
  and you know like oh yeah
• 31:26
  we knew or hey yeah we
• 31:27
  talked about that or hey my
• 31:28
  friend susie told me last
• 31:29
  week yeah whatever yeah
• 31:33
  nobody cares yeah yeah uh
• 31:39
  so the next thing I wanted
• 31:40
  to talk about real quick is
• 31:40
  john young um if you didn't
• 31:43
  see this he um got in
• 31:44
  trouble with the united grid league um
• 31:49
  And why I want to bring this
• 31:51
  up is I am very anti-censorship.
• 31:55
  I hate the cancel culture
• 32:00
  and I hate censorship of people.
• 32:03
  One,
• 32:04
  John Young is one of the most tame
• 32:08
  people on a mic for the CrossFit space.
• 32:14
  guy doesn't even cuss like
• 32:16
  he is very tame and when
• 32:20
  you're on the air for two
• 32:21
  hours inevitably as much as
• 32:24
  john young is on the mic
• 32:26
  hours after hours after you
• 32:27
  are going to say something
• 32:29
  that probably comes out
• 32:31
  wrong or does not sound
• 32:34
  right in the moment
• 32:37
  It doesn't help that then
• 32:38
  someone takes what you say out of context,
• 32:41
  clips it together in a way
• 32:43
  that makes it even sound ten times worse.
• 32:46
  And that guy is a douche.
• 32:49
  Tom Sroka doing what he did
• 32:51
  was complete being an asshole.
• 32:56
  He was an asshole about it.
• 32:58
  He had an agenda and he went after it.
• 33:07
  I,
• 33:09
  there are a lot of people that say a lot
• 33:10
  of bad things on the internet,
• 33:13
  but John Young is not one
• 33:14
  of those people.
• 33:16
  And the fact that they,
• 33:18
  he has a goal of trying to
• 33:20
  compete in the grid league next year,
• 33:22
  and they're trying to take
• 33:23
  that away from him.
• 33:24
  And I find that repulsive.
• 33:27
  Yeah.
• 33:27
  Yeah.
• 33:30
  Last night on The Spin,
• 33:32
  Brian Spin put a link to
• 33:34
  the main sponsor of Grid League, Olipop.
• 33:38
  And the way they're trying
• 33:40
  to show support for John,
• 33:41
  because Olipop doesn't want
• 33:44
  to associate with them and
• 33:47
  is trying to pull back away
• 33:48
  from Spin and all this kind of stuff,
• 33:51
  is to buy merch and say, there's a place,
• 33:54
  like, where did you hear about us?
• 33:55
  And I wrote, I'm supporting John Young.
• 33:58
  And so what they...
• 34:00
  they're doing is there's a
• 34:01
  link on their episode last night.
• 34:03
  If you click on that link,
• 34:05
  you can support John by
• 34:06
  buying some of it to show
• 34:08
  that he is not a detriment to,
• 34:10
  to them advertising,
• 34:12
  but actually could be an enhancement.
• 34:13
  Genius.
• 34:17
  Um, and so if you want to do that,
• 34:19
  go over to the barbell spin.
• 34:21
  If you support John,
• 34:23
  I'm not saying you should.
• 34:24
  I,
• 34:25
  I believe in that people should not be
• 34:27
  censored.
• 34:28
  I believe in turning the channel.
• 34:30
  If you don't like what you're hearing,
• 34:31
  flip to the next station.
• 34:33
  There's plenty of shit to
• 34:34
  watch on the internet.
• 34:36
  Trust me.
• 34:37
  And, and lots of stuff to get offended by.
• 34:39
  If you know, if you're looking for it,
• 34:41
  that's what you're into for sure.
• 34:44
  Yeah.
• 34:45
  But,
• 34:47
  Calling someone bald and
• 34:48
  calling someone big mama
• 34:50
  where I grew up would have
• 34:52
  not even registered.
• 34:56
  I'm a big guy.
• 34:57
  There's no hiding that I am a big guy.
• 34:59
  When I'm working out,
• 35:00
  I get called big guy or
• 35:02
  look at that big dude or whatever.
• 35:05
  And
• 35:07
  doesn't offend me I'm not
• 35:08
  hiding anything put on a
• 35:11
  skinny suit and hide from
• 35:13
  it all I'm a big guy that's
• 35:15
  how people are going to
• 35:16
  identify me um and if
• 35:19
  that's what offends you my
• 35:20
  gosh like I guess
• 35:24
  You're entitled to be offended, but my God,
• 35:27
  that's awful.
• 35:27
  People say that I'm just
• 35:29
  beautiful all the time and
• 35:31
  it's just exhausting.
• 35:34
  And it's just, you know,
• 35:35
  I keep trying to tell people like, hey,
• 35:37
  mind your business.
• 35:39
  Don't be so rude.
• 35:43
  I don't know how you deal with it.
• 35:45
  I just take it on the chin.
• 35:46
  It's fine.
• 35:48
  Yeah.
• 35:49
  It's got to be rough.
• 35:51
  Got to be rough.
• 35:54
  So the last thing I wanted
• 35:55
  to talk about real quick is
• 35:57
  Gabby Magawa announced that
• 35:59
  her Achilles is back together.
• 36:02
  Oh, fun.
• 36:04
  So just a big, big old strain, I guess.
• 36:07
  No, no, no.
• 36:08
  She had surgery.
• 36:09
  She had the surgery.
• 36:14
  Mentally, she feels whole again.
• 36:18
  And I don't,
• 36:19
  I think that's a cool like concept.
• 36:20
  Like,
• 36:22
  Like an interesting thing
• 36:24
  that she was going through.
• 36:24
  Like she didn't feel
• 36:26
  together or whole until that was fixed.
• 36:29
  And now that it's fixed mentally,
• 36:31
  it's moved her past a step.
• 36:34
  Good.
• 36:36
  But yeah,
• 36:37
  it's in her story if you want to
• 36:38
  check it out.
• 36:40
  She looks like she still
• 36:41
  might be under some pain, sedation stuff.
• 36:46
  But it's a cool little thing
• 36:48
  on her story talking about
• 36:50
  that it's been fixed and
• 36:52
  she's ready to move on.
• 36:54
  Do we think that Gabby and
• 36:55
  Roman are going to be ready for the open?
• 36:59
  No way is Gabby ready for the open.
• 37:00
  Yeah.
• 37:02
  Roman, maybe.
• 37:05
  I mean, I don't think,
• 37:06
  I don't know what's totally
• 37:08
  wrong with him.
• 37:11
  Yeah.
• 37:11
  I just know torn Achilles.
• 37:12
  Like I got really close to
• 37:14
  check Chelsea Nicholas who
• 37:15
  ruptured her at the twenty
• 37:17
  three CrossFit games.
• 37:19
  And like her doctor said, yeah,
• 37:21
  you can start back to stuff in a year.
• 37:24
  In a year.
• 37:26
  But it's not completely
• 37:29
  healed for eighteen months.
• 37:31
  Okay.
• 37:35
  So I'm curious to see how,
• 37:36
  how Roman rehabs his torn labrum.
• 37:39
  I'm sure he's got better
• 37:41
  resources than Charlie and
• 37:42
  I had when we recovered from ours.
• 37:44
  So.
• 37:44
  Yeah, I, I thought it was a foot.
• 37:48
  So I like,
• 37:48
  that's how out of it I am with Roman.
• 37:50
  Oh yeah.
• 37:52
  I think he has a torn labrum.
• 37:54
  Okay.
• 37:55
  Like,
• 37:56
  like me and he has the Charlie cat
• 37:58
  surgery,
• 38:00
  but he had it already when we're
• 38:01
  assuming.
• 38:01
  So we'll see.
• 38:04
  Yeah, true, Corey.
• 38:05
  Corey says the Open is one thing,
• 38:06
  semifinals is another thing entirely.
• 38:08
  True.
• 38:10
  But got to do the Open first.
• 38:12
  Yeah,
• 38:13
  we don't even know what the season is
• 38:16
  to know what you have to be ready for.
• 38:18
  Yeah.
• 38:18
  I've heard so many rumors.
• 38:20
  I don't even want to get
• 38:21
  into it until if it's
• 38:22
  coming out tomorrow because
• 38:24
  I've heard so many
• 38:24
  different versions of what
• 38:26
  the season may end up being.
• 38:28
  Mm-hmm.
• 38:28
  I don't know.
• 38:33
  So...
• 38:34
  Hi, Dense.
• 38:35
  Yeah,
• 38:35
  we don't even know what they're
• 38:38
  getting ready for.
• 38:40
  Yeah, Jenny's in the chat.
• 38:41
  Hello.
• 38:45
  Her latest Dense update is
• 38:46
  all about what we just
• 38:47
  talked about with the
• 38:49
  release of the news and
• 38:51
  some Hiller stuff.
• 38:52
  Corey's flexing.
• 38:58
  Whatever, Corey.
• 38:59
  Corey,
• 39:00
  we don't even know what the format is,
• 39:01
  dude.
• 39:05
  um next week is thanksgiving
• 39:06
  what's happening we're not
• 39:10
  we're not going to be on
• 39:11
  next thursday yeah and the
• 39:13
  bears play at so oh okay
• 39:14
  that's what you'll be doing
• 39:19
  that's where I will be um
• 39:21
  I'm gonna try to smush some
• 39:22
  people in my apartment for
• 39:24
  dinner uh let's talk
• 39:28
  offline maybe we'll do a
• 39:29
  wednesday show or yeah a
• 39:32
  black friday show
• 39:34
  Either one.
• 39:36
  I'm actually thinking about,
• 39:38
  and this is when I'm going
• 39:40
  back to the days when we
• 39:41
  used to have our meetings on, on live.
• 39:46
  I'm actually thinking about
• 39:47
  going into the next year
• 39:49
  after we find out like what the season is,
• 39:51
  what we're looking at is
• 39:52
  doing an everyday lunch show.
• 39:56
  Cool.
• 39:57
  Just checking in.
• 39:59
  Yeah.
• 40:00
  And then bring maybe some of
• 40:02
  our friends on like Corey
• 40:04
  or Jenny or some of these
• 40:06
  people just to chat.
• 40:08
  But I don't want it to
• 40:10
  necessarily be CrossFit based.
• 40:16
  Right.
• 40:17
  Just life based.
• 40:17
  Yeah.
• 40:18
  What's that going to do for
• 40:19
  your lunchtime workouts though,
• 40:20
  Mr. Schweitzer?
• 40:24
  Oh, that is a good point.
• 40:26
  I'm just brainstorming.
• 40:29
  Well,
• 40:29
  and you wouldn't have to be on all of
• 40:30
  them.
• 40:30
  Maybe I could run a couple.
• 40:32
  I don't have to be on all of them at all.
• 40:35
  The plan was,
• 40:36
  it was just to have something
• 40:37
  like every day for people
• 40:38
  to come check in at lunch.
• 40:40
  Yeah.
• 40:41
  Um, as long as we can eat on air,
• 40:42
  I'm fine with that.
• 40:45
  Well,
• 40:45
  we could even call it lunch with the
• 40:46
  crew or.
• 40:46
  Yeah.
• 40:48
  Ever bring your food and.
• 40:50
  Brown bag.
• 40:51
  Yeah.
• 40:54
  Uh, but it's just a thought.
• 40:55
  Yeah.
• 40:57
  So.
• 40:58
  Okay.
• 41:00
  All right.
• 41:00
  I got a one o'clock.
• 41:02
  I could do it live on my assault bike.
• 41:05
  You could.
• 41:09
  Hold on.
• 41:09
  I've got to clean this.
• 41:10
  Three hundred and eighty
• 41:11
  five pounds in my dreams.
• 41:15
  I eat at my desk every single day to Corey,
• 41:16
  but not when we're on air.
• 41:18
  That's the problem.
• 41:19
  But if we could, if I could eat on air,
• 41:20
  I'm all for it.
• 41:22
  Yeah.
• 41:23
  When you eat on air,
• 41:24
  it's amazing how many
• 41:25
  trolls come out of the woodwork.
• 41:26
  Right.
• 41:29
  Those people that suffer
• 41:29
  from whatever that phobia is,
• 41:31
  they can't stand like the chewing or.
• 41:34
  Remember one time I had like
• 41:35
  a Stanley Cup.
• 41:37
  Or any of that stuff.
• 41:40
  But chew on camera and we
• 41:43
  get eighty seven comments.
• 41:45
  Yeah.
• 41:47
  It is crazy.
• 41:48
  Remember I had the Stanley
• 41:49
  cup with like a metal straw
• 41:50
  and someone was like, Oh dear God,
• 41:52
  what does that take?
• 41:53
  Take your cup away or something.
• 41:54
  I'm like, dude, so,
• 41:58
  so much chicken and rice.
• 41:59
  Yeah.
• 41:59
  Yeah.
• 42:02
  All right, guys.
• 42:04
  We will catch everybody next time.
• 42:06
  We will post something up
• 42:08
  about when we'll have the show next week.
• 42:11
  We'll check on everybody's
• 42:12
  schedule and see how we can do that.
• 42:14
  But if we don't see you before then,
• 42:15
  happy Thanksgiving.
• 42:17
  And we'll see everybody next
• 42:18
  time on Clydesdale Media Roundtable.
• 42:20
  Bye, guys.
• 42:21
  Bye.