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Steelers vs. Browns Preview, Chargers Move to LA, Cowboys Clock Management & NFL Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The Volume. What is going on, my people? John Middlecoff,
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  Speaker 1: 3NOW Podcast. How are we doing? Thursday night football is here.
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: The Browns, Steelers. We'll dive into that game. Something clicked
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: when I was watching playoff baseball. and how it relates
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  Speaker 1: to an NFL team. The Dallas Cowboys, Jerry Schottenheimer, not pleased.
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: Jerry not pleased at Brian, and then Brian take accountability,
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  Speaker 1: not happy with himself. A couple quick college thoughts, and
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  Speaker 1: we'll do some mailbag questions. At John Middlecoff, at John
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  Speaker 1: did my top five. I've been doing it every week.
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  Speaker 1: check that out. My top five NFL teams headed into
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  Speaker 1: week five. Or excuse me, week four. Not quite to
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  Speaker 1: week five yet. Slow down. Enjoy the season. Let's just
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  Speaker 1: talk some football. I do want to start with the
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  Speaker 1: game tonight. And... When I went on with Colin on
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  Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon night before the Sunday night game, I was
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  Speaker 1: probably too critical of Aaron Rodgers. You know, I went
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  Speaker 1: back and watched. He made some awesome throws. And relative
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  Speaker 1: to what they had been the first two weeks, which
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  Speaker 1: was borderline unwatchable. I mean, that game against the Falcons
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  Speaker 1: was like watching paint dry. And then the following week
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  Speaker 1: against the Patriots, one of the worst football games offensively
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  Speaker 1: you will ever see. He threw some dots in that game.
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  Speaker 1: There were some blown coverages. I kind of nitpicked him
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  Speaker 1: on a couple plays that in his heyday he would
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  Speaker 1: have made with his eyes closed on a go route,
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  Speaker 1: on a scramble drill, where he just missed them. But
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  Speaker 1: if they get that version of Rodgers playing like that
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  Speaker 1: and you include the run game, because part of the
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  Speaker 1: problem for the Steelers the first couple weeks, and really
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  Speaker 1: it goes back to last year, it really has been
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  Speaker 1: a while now. You go back to Le'Veon Bell, some
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  Speaker 1: of the good Tomlin teams with Roethlisberger, like a huge
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  Speaker 1: part of their identity was a physical running attack. Hell,
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  Speaker 1: most of my life, you go back to Jerome Bettis,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was up to when the franchise was
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  Speaker 1: built with Frank O'Harris, though I don't really remember watching
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  Speaker 1: him play because I wasn't alive. But by all, everyone
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  Speaker 1: that was, they were a really good player. And the
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  Speaker 1: reality is in the NFL, you have to have some
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  Speaker 1: semblance of a running game. I don't care if you
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  Speaker 1: have five all pros playing offensive line in terms of
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  Speaker 1: pass protection. If you cannot run the ball unless you
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  Speaker 1: have like peak Patrick Mahomes, it's going to be a struggle.
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  Speaker 1: And what happened last week is they got some big
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  Speaker 1: explosive plays for Jalen Warren. And one of them, I
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  Speaker 1: guess it wouldn't have been a touchdown because he was
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  Speaker 1: hocked at the five yard line, but it was like
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  Speaker 1: a 75, 80 yard run. And it was awesome. And
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  Speaker 1: if they get some explosive runs, some consistent runs, They
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  Speaker 1: will be okay. Aaron Rodgers has this guy on Instagram
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  Speaker 1: who basically pretends to be Aaron Rodgers. Like he makes
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  Speaker 1: these videos of his mannerisms. He's fantastic. It's like Rodgers realm.
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  Speaker 1: He's really enjoyable follow for me on Instagram for years.
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  Speaker 1: Going back to when Aaron got traded to the Jets.
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  Speaker 1: And he was not happy with my thoughts on A-Rod.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, listen, I got no problem. I was
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  Speaker 1: probably a little too critical. But I do think when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to the Pittsburgh Steelers, as the season goes,
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  Speaker 1: a 42-year-old guy who no longer scrambles that well, they're
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  Speaker 1: going to have to play defense. They're going to have
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  Speaker 1: to run the ball. This is the best version of
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  Speaker 1: Rodgers early on in the season when the weather is good. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to go, well, the Bengals defense, who
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  Speaker 1: I was touting, I was like, hey, this unit's big time.
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  Speaker 1: They had a bunch of big plays on them. Do
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  Speaker 1: I think Cincinnati wins the game? I saw Roethlisberger crush
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals. He's like, that was the Bungles. You had
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  Speaker 1: the roughing the punter where they just wiped out the
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  Speaker 1: dude's plant leg and the dude that muffed it, and
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals got it back in excellent field position. I
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  Speaker 1: think if they play that game over again and consistently,
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  Speaker 1: I think the Bengals are a better team. But early
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  Speaker 1: in the season, at home, Rodgers responded. Here's the problem.
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  Speaker 1: They're playing the Cleveland Browns on Thursday night. And in theory,
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  Speaker 1: you just say that out loud. You're like, that's who
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  Speaker 1: you would sign up for. The Cleveland Browns on Thursday
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  Speaker 1: night turned into like the Brady and Belichick Patriots. They
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  Speaker 1: played the Steelers specifically four times in the history of
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  Speaker 1: Thursday night games at home. They beat them every time.
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  Speaker 1: So when they play in Cleveland against the Steelers on
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  Speaker 1: a Thursday night, they're 4-0. Since 2018, which is a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of different players, a bunch of different coaches, multiple regimes,
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  Speaker 1: they have not lost. They are 7-0. The Cleveland Browns,
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  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, regardless who the quarterback is, regardless who
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  Speaker 1: the coach is, are just a bright lights Thursday night team.
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  Speaker 1: So if you know you want to get aggressive with
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  Speaker 1: some shackles, I'm just telling you, history would tell us
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  Speaker 1: get ready for this Browns team, regardless who they're playing,
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  Speaker 1: but especially they're playing the Steelers on Thursday night. They
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  Speaker 1: start hitting that side, you know, the stadium, the place rocks.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the other thing. Like, they're 2-1. And for
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  Speaker 1: as much grief as Watson has got as a player,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about off the field. I'm just talking
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  Speaker 1: about as a player and in his, whatever, 11 or
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  Speaker 1: 12 games before the start of the season that he's
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  Speaker 1: played for the Browns, it was borderline unwatchable. I mean, statistically,
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  Speaker 1: he was an outlier. He was one of the worst
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  Speaker 1: starting quarterbacks in the internet era. He's made some really
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  Speaker 1: good plays the last couple weeks. He really has some
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  Speaker 1: touch throws. Obviously, two weeks ago against Tampa, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: was like the difference in the game. Outplayed Baker Mayfield,
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  Speaker 1: who just got an extension. Now, we could also argue
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  Speaker 1: that Baker Mayfield does not look good this season, but regardless.
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  Speaker 1: And then last week to get another win, like they
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  Speaker 1: do have a little momentum. And the one thing that
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  Speaker 1: no one can argue is like they do have some
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  Speaker 1: impactful players. They got some young, explosive wide receivers. Junkins
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  Speaker 1: was the SEC rookie freshman of the year, and then
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  Speaker 1: he transferred to Ohio State. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 1: go blue chipper in the NFL. I'd reserve that for
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  Speaker 1: Bijan and Jameer Gibbs, but he's really good. And Mason
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  Speaker 1: Graham right now looks like Travis Hunter. I give the
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  Speaker 1: Jags credit. You can't play both ways in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: It's just too difficult. Deion Sanders couldn't do it. Charles
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  Speaker 1: Woodson couldn't do it. And I love Travis Hunter in college.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't those guys. So when they were kind of
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  Speaker 1: going back and forth and then he was in no
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  Speaker 1: man's land, well, what happened last week? No more offense, really.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to play defense. And obviously got the pick
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  Speaker 1: off Drake May in the end zone. And it was,
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: I would say, a big moment for his career. I
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen it, but the video went
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  Speaker 1: viral of the Patriot ball boy grabbing the ball because
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  Speaker 1: it's clearly the Patriots ball because he picks it off.
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  Speaker 1: Travis did a celebration, and Josh Hines-Allen realizes he's going
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: to want that bad boy for his mantle, goes to
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  Speaker 1: get the ball. The Patriots employee, classic do-your-job, throwback to Belichick,
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  Speaker 1: refuses to give it up. I mean, he gave more
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  Speaker 1: resistance in that moment than every single Patriot the entire game.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know if they ended up getting the ball.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't read anything since. But just the 30, 40
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  Speaker 1: second video is right up my alley for content. I
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  Speaker 1: watched it 15 times. Made me smile. So I think Pittsburgh,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, what are we getting? Are we getting the
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  Speaker 1: team to kind of have their back against the wall
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  Speaker 1: against the Bengals and everyone was shitting on their offense?
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  Speaker 1: and started getting people involved. I saw DK leads the
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  Speaker 1: league in drops, multiple penalties last game. Now, one of
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  Speaker 1: them you could argue, especially it was on the big
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  Speaker 1: run to Warren, I think was more than questionable. And, like,
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  Speaker 1: he's a big play guy. You can only have so
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  Speaker 1: many of Washington going for 45 yards, breaking tackles, running
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  Speaker 1: around blocks. And I'm a huge fan. I mean, anytime
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  Speaker 1: you can have... Rodgers was interviewed after the game. And
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, he's dropped his weight. And he laughed. Well,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, well, it's all relative. If you guys knew
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: what he weighed last year... I mean, there are some people...
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  Speaker 1: I think kind of alluding that his weight was in
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  Speaker 1: the low threes. And I think it's still probably hovering,
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  Speaker 1: just looking at him. He's an enormous human being. Let's
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  Speaker 1: say 290, 300. I mean, it shows what an exceptional
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  Speaker 1: athlete the dude is. Fryer moves like they do. Pittman,
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  Speaker 1: they got some dudes. Roman Wilson, you got to catch
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  Speaker 1: the ball over the middle. But this is a big
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  Speaker 1: moment for McCarthy. You got a lot of people watching.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, the stats just, they speak for themselves
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: with the Browns at home. I feel like I close
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  Speaker 1: my eyes and picture them winning these games. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch. And I would say the worst
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  Speaker 1: part of Thursday Night Football, and it pains me to
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  Speaker 1: say this, and I'm not going to keep beating a
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: dead horse, is Al. I mean, he just, he can't see.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't know what's going on. I mean, my mom's
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  Speaker 1: in her late 70s right now. You just... I can't
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: even imagine of the people that have been in my
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: life in their early to mid-80s attempting to do the
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: job of calling an NFL football game. The challenge that
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: would be for any professional, let alone a living legend,
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  Speaker 1: it's over. And it sounds like these guys are in
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: their last year of their contracts. I guess Al does like,
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: a rollover one-year deal, Herbstreet. I would venture out on
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: a limb to say that we have a new broadcast
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: team next year for Amazon. And I do think it's
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  Speaker 1: well needed at this point. It's hard. Like, I grew
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: up watching Marv Albert. And those last couple years on TNT,
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  Speaker 1: he had no fucking clue what was going on. And basketball,
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  Speaker 1: the pace, especially in this modern day game where they're
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  Speaker 1: flying up, shooting threes, it was just overwhelming for them.
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: And that's what it feels like watching now. A couple
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: other things I was watching. The Padres have made the
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: playoffs a lot recently. And their home games are just
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: absolutely lit, as the kids would say. Just cinema. Place
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  Speaker 1: is rocking. And it got me thinking that The Los
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: Angeles Chargers, we had the relocation, right? Raiders go to Vegas, St.
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: Louis comes back to LA, and the Chargers join them,
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  Speaker 1: though they don't own the stadium, they pay a dollar rent.
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  Speaker 1: So they are a tenant. And let me say this,
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: because I've been critical over the years of the Spanos family,
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  Speaker 1: their management style. I'll be the, born and raised in California.
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  Speaker 1: My family still lives there. I come from generations of
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  Speaker 1: people that have done business there. My family's still there. Cousins,
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  Speaker 1: people doing business. All my friends, a large majority of
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: them at least. It is very, very difficult to get
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  Speaker 1: things done in California. And when you're gonna have to,
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  Speaker 1: when you don't have the money, which the Spanos family
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  Speaker 1: didn't to build a stadium by themselves in San Diego.
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  Speaker 1: Just like the 49ers did not have the money to
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  Speaker 1: build one in the Bay Area. They needed to partner
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: up with Santa Clara. And it's been a major pain
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  Speaker 1: in their ass. But they didn't have the cash to
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: finance the thing on their own. So they needed help.
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  Speaker 1: Where in turn, Stan Kroenke, it's probably the hardest in
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles, paid for it for himself. So even if
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  Speaker 1: there were massive amounts of obstacles, the price kept skyrocketing,
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: he could afford the billions upon billions of dollars in
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: which it cost. Some people seem to say that it
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: was like five to six billion dollars when it was
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: all said and done. Joe Lacob, who moved the Golden
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  Speaker 1: State Warriors, and this was his idea when he bought
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: the team, he was gonna move it to the city
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  Speaker 1: of San Francisco. financed it on his own. So if
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  Speaker 1: you're able to do that, it becomes very lucrative for you.
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  Speaker 1: But it's also extremely cost intense. Like you're going to
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  Speaker 1: need a lot of capital to get that done. Especially,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, moving forward, like it's never getting any cheaper.
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  Speaker 1: So I understand the Spanos family not having the liquid cash, seven, eight,
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  Speaker 1: whatever year that they ended up moving 2018, 19 range. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: they went a little early because they just left San
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: Diego and they played at that tiny little soccer stadium
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  Speaker 1: that held like 25,000, 30,000 people. But they have no
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  Speaker 1: footprint in the area. You know, the Rams struggle with that.
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  Speaker 1: And the Rams are from Los Angeles and had a
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  Speaker 1: built-in generation while older that grew up watching them play.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the other thing. The Rams are good. Like
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  Speaker 1: the Rams home stadium, they hosted a Super Bowl there
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  Speaker 1: and they won it. They have a superstar coach that
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: kind of feels like Los Angeles. Sean McVay kind of
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  Speaker 1: looks like a dude that would have been in Fast
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: and the Furious. That would be in some Navy Seal movie.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of looks like a Hollywood star. The Chargers, meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not acting like San Diego was Buffalo or
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  Speaker 1: Green Bay in terms of a home field advantage. But
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: where I went to college was the middle of California,
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: San Luis Obispo. Basically, half the school was from Northern California.
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  Speaker 1: I guess Northern California and the Valley. And the other
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  Speaker 1: half was from Southern California. I was in a fraternity
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  Speaker 1: with a lot of dudes from San Diego. I just
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  Speaker 1: got to know a lot of dudes from San Diego.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty loyal fans. Pretty big fan base down there. And
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  Speaker 1: they've moved, and I'm not blaming their struggles this year.
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  Speaker 1: It's because Harbaugh, McDaniels, Herbert, the defense, like the Spanos
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  Speaker 1: family are not the reason this team is 0-3. But
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: big picture for their franchise, like... Anytime that you enter
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  Speaker 1: a new stadium, there's going to be criticism. People are
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  Speaker 1: going to complain. You do the PSLs where you basically
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: buy the right to buy the seat. I mean, it's egregious.
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  Speaker 1: And then once you do, the prices are huge. Obviously,
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: the beers and the hot dogs, everything in these new
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: stadiums is outrageous, right? But when I turn on Buffalo
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: in their new stadium, it's like, yeah, it feels sweet.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: Same people, same general people that were attending the games
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: are probably attending these games. And listen, I lived it
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: with the Golden State Warriors when they played in the
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: shitty arena called Oracle. By the time they got really
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: good and Curry started winning because they priced out all
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: their fans moving to San Francisco. I got news for you.
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  Speaker 1: That happened before they moved. Elon, Zuckerberg, that crowd of
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  Speaker 1: type people were already buying the tickets when it was
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  Speaker 1: really cool when they were still in the shitty arena.
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  Speaker 1: So as you get good, no matter what, it's going
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: to price out some people because you're going to raise
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  Speaker 1: ticket prices. But there is no debating that they play
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  Speaker 1: in an area where no one cares. Not a soul.
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  Speaker 1: All of their home games. And listen, the Raiders, who
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  Speaker 1: have Vegas to themselves, battle this. They play in a
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: lot of games where the opposing team is going to
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: have a large percentage of the seats filled. It's just
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  Speaker 1: a fact. It's going to be fascinating this week with
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: their biggest game in years against Kansas City Chiefs. How
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: many people in red are in that stadium? I'd venture
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: to guess, and this is no fault of their own,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: they're dire Raider fans. They've moved like four times in
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  Speaker 1: the last 40 years. When you're a nomadic operation, it's
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: going to be hard to build a home base. The
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  Speaker 1: Chicago Bears don't need to worry about that. They've been
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: in Chicago my entire life. The Philadelphia Eagles, like, well,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: remember 20 years ago when you used to be in
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: South Florida? No, been in Philadelphia the whole time. But
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: when you play in a stadium where every single game
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: feels like an away game, so basically your entire season
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  Speaker 1: is on the road. Sometimes you'd have to get on
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: a plane. Other times you drive there. But you never
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: go into a place, and Rivers used to talk about this,
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  Speaker 1: they'd have to go silent count in home games. And
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  Speaker 1: I understand like even the Rams have to battle it.
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  Speaker 1: When is the 49ers? Well, yeah, the 49ers have been
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  Speaker 1: good for like 40 years. They have an enormous fan base.
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  Speaker 1: especially on the West Coast. But if the Rams are
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: playing some random team, probably not. at least they would
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  Speaker 1: have a chance of not having to go silent count.
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  Speaker 1: So the other thing is, and this is just a fact,
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  Speaker 1: no emotion here, is when you look at the cash
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  Speaker 1: spending in 2026, I'm not talking about your dead cap space.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about your salary cap. I'm talking about
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  Speaker 1: how much cash is going out to players this season.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: where over the last several years, Jeffrey Lurie, the Baltimore Ravens,
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  Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, the San Francisco 49ers, they're spending a
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: lot of money on players. For example, the Green Bay Packers.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Part of the reason this year sucks for them, they're
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: spending a lot of money cash-wise on this team. Well,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: the Chargers, who have, in theory, a quarterback in his prime,
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  Speaker 1: and a coach and a coaching staff that they are
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: paying more money to than they have ever dreamed of
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  Speaker 1: to pay to that operation... is second to last in
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: the NFL. The only team that is currently spending more
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  Speaker 1: cash on players is the team that literally got rid
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: of them all, the Miami Dolphins, who is actively trying
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  Speaker 1: to tank. Think about that. So ownership doesn't impact on
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: a play-to-play basis. So if Justin Herbert throws a pick,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: if O'Marion Hampton fumbles, if they can't stop anybody, if
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: their guard can't block, I'm not putting that on the
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Spanos family. But the operation, all you tell me is like, well,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: they built this beautiful practice facility. You know who doesn't
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: give a shit about that? Anyone watching the game. It's
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: completely irrelevant. Good for you. And listen, they have gotten
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: exponentially more wealthy because their franchise value increased. They can
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: then sell pieces off, get cash infusions. They can borrow
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: against it, fly private jets, live in large, right? But
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: at what cost? Because they had something in San Diego.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Was it the Packers? Was it the Bills? Is it
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: what you see with the 12s in Seattle? I'm not
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: going to go that far. I'm not acting like they
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: ditched that. But watching the Padre game year after year
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: in October, and that place is just on full tilt
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: and going nuts. You can't convince me these people wouldn't
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: have cared. Wouldn't have filled the stadium. with, I don't know, 30,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: you could have made it smaller, 45, 50, 60,000 people. Now,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: if you want to tell me, well, there's not as
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: much corporate infrastructure down here for the money to flow
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: like there would be in San Francisco or Los Angeles.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: There's truth to that. But you don't own the stadium.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: You don't control any of this. You are a tenant
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: and you're lucky he charges you $ 1 a year. So
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I just look at the chargers and go, For as
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: much as they kind of tried, spent a lot of
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: money on Harbaugh, got this quarterback, gave him a quarterback contract,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: are they really trying? Are they really a well-run operation?
• 19:46
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• 19:49
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• 21:41
  Speaker 1: boy picked to win the division, who had high hopes.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Be lying if I said I don't necessarily want to redo,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: but I do not feel as confident. And I saw
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, who does seven interviews a week, only owner.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: It's like, let's get Jerry's take on Brian. Sunday afternoon,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Monday or Tuesday morning on the radio. Obviously was really
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: mad and said it's inexcusable. I don't know. There's no excuse.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: he couldn't explain it to me, right? And Brian Schottenheimer
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: comes out on Wednesday and says, it's my fault. The
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: responsibility lies on me. I screwed that up. I'll give
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: him a pass on the quote unquote clock management, doing
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: it perfectly. Because honestly, that's not when I watched the game.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: That's not what I was thinking about, right? Even kicking
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: the ball into the end zone and letting them start
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: at the 35. My main issue is when you are
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: a guy who's been coaching in the NFL, coaching in
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the NFL for almost 25 years. You've been, you were
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: bred around this sport. And clearly you're an offensive guy
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: through your lens. And one thing that the Cowboys were
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: going to have to hang their hat on if they
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: were going to be good, because even if their defense
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: was just going to have to be middle of the pack,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: was being a lead offense. Obviously, they have elite offensive pieces,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: two sweet wide receivers, a good tight end, a good
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: running back, and a quarterback that when he gets hot
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: can play as well as anybody. And he's humming right
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: down the field. And Dak Prescott's like, oh, earning that
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: $ 60 million. Once you get deep into the red zone
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: in a situation like that with not much clock, it's
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: all about scoring a touchdown. And when I think about
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Andy Reid, Kyler McVay, Ben Johnson– you would think that
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: there's no guarantee you ever score a touchdown. It's football,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: it's difficult. A guy might drop it, a guy might trip,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: an offensive lineman could screw up, whatever. I mean, we're
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: dealing with human beings. But you'd go, God, that was
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: an excellent play call, it just didn't work. And if
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: you end up having to kick a field goal with that,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, they got two great looks, Pickens dropped it,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and Dak tripped or something. But the play was there. Like,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: that's a well-schemed play. My main reservation moving forward is
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: not that their defensive coordinator, turns out, might not be
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: very good, slash their personnel and defense is just so
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: terrible that even if Belichick in his prime was coaching,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: they'd still have limitations. My issue with is their point
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: of difference is their offense. And the guy conducting the
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: offense got to a situation, regardless of his clock management,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: and not one of the three plays to score a touchdown,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: you went, what a call. What a call. You would
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: think getting to that situation, however long the flight is
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: from Dallas, you're in the middle of fucking nowhere in
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Rio de Janeiro playing a football game for who knows why.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: But you are. And you have a chance to beat
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the Ravens, who most people view as like a Super
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Bowl contender. We'll see how that ends up playing out.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: But they're definitely, if Lamar's playing, a high-level operation. And
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: those are your three plays? It's the thing I was
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: most baffled about right when me and Colin immediately just
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: recorded after. And I couldn't get over the play calls. And,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you know, coaches often talk about this. There are certain
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: situations of the game, like when it's third and six,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and it's like, hey, hey, and you tell, I saw
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Sean Payton saying this. He's like, I'm not getting involved
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: on a play-to-play basis with Davis Webb. But I will
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: chime in and tell him, this is four down territory.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: So the play he might call on third and six
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: might change what he would normally run if he knew
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: we were going to punt, right? Because he's got two
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: downs to get the six yards. And it's oftentimes when
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: you hear a team in like, hey, it's a tie game,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: fourth quarter. We had this two-point play we've been holding on.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: We're at the three-yard line. Run it right now. We
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: love this play all week. there's not a two-point play,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: but it's going to score us a touchdown, and boom,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: we win the game. How did he not have one
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: play in his back pocket when his quarterback looked fantastic?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: His wide receivers are both tall and contested catch high
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: point guys, and he's got a good tight end. And
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: those were the three plays. So I'm not changing my
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: tune on Dallas not winning the division because the Eagles
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: are in shambles. The Giants quarterback situation is J.J. McCarthy
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: and Jameis Winston. And we'll see on the Commanders. I mean,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Mariota might have the game of his life. But man,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: the issue I have is with the offensive ingenuity, the
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: offensive creativity. How do you not have something in your
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: back pocket to go, what a play call? It happens
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: all the time with the other elite guys. And listen,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: your counter might be, well, Middlecoff, he's not one of
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: those guys. That might be true. And if it is,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: the Cowboys truly have no shot. And I'm not saying
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: he needs to be Ben Johnson. I'm just saying he
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: needs to be viewed as a high-end offensive coordinator that
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: in a spot like that gets multiple good looks on
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: play calls. And they did not. The other thing I
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: wanted to hit on is this. The College Sports Act
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: is moving its way through the government. My overall take
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: is I don't care how much coaches make. I don't
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: care how much players make. there should be some sort
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: of guardrails of like, hey, if I give you a contract,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: you can't just pick up and leave six months later
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: for either of the guys, right? Because with coaches, other
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: schools have to pay buyouts. It's been an issue with
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: players where they're just like, I don't give a shit,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I'm out. I just wish there were some sort of corralling, hey,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: you sign a contract, when I sign a contract, when
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: you sign a contract, professionally, there are usually some limitations.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: And right now in college, coaches and players, there are none.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Lane's a good example of it, though LSU had to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: pay Ole Miss, and obviously the players jumping around. But
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I don't give a shit who makes what. I think
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Saban's argument, I saw a clip where he was like, well,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: we can cap the players, but we can't cap the
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: coaches because the coaches bring more value. It's like, well, yeah, Nick,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: you do. You know, maybe Lane or Dan Lanning or
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: certain guys do, but there are a lot of guys stealing.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Shane Beamer, he bringing value? You know, I mean, what
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: are we talking about here? So I got no problem
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: on the count. I just think there need to be
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: guardrails about moving around. It's the thing with the NFL, right?
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: The equivalent of the Jags, right, would be viewed as
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: a lower level power four team. All we would be
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: talking about right now is like the Green Bay Packers
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: who would be viewed as like LSU or Ohio State.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: How do they just steal Liam Cohen? And when the
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: season ended, they probably would. where Liam Cohen is going
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: to stay with the Jags for as long as he
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: wants if he keeps having success. And you can't just steal, hell,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: you can't even steal position coaches if I give you
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: the right title and I can block you. So in college,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: it's just a free-for-all, coaches and players. And it's kind
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: of a joke. And the main issue I have with
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: the building of the sport is early on in the season,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: there are like three or four games, maybe a week,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: that feel like they matter. Yet in the NFL, even
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: if it's a quote-unquote bad slate, it's not that bad.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: And two, early on, what happened week one? Boom. The
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl, rematch. What happens the next game? Two of
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl favorites playing in Australia. Right? What happens
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Monday Night Football? Andy Reid versus Sean Payton. That's how
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: the NFL came out of the gates. They didn't be like, well,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: let's save Denver and Kansas City for November and December.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Conference games, division games. No. And I think in college football,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I saw a headline today. I read a little article
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: on Front Office Sports. The television ratings so far through
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the first month are down 10% in college. Now, the
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Ohio State-Texas game was one of the highest rated and
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: most watched games in recent memory Well, of course it
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: was because it felt like an NFL game. The second
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: biggest game, LSU Ole Miss. Well, no shit. That game mattered.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: You know, Indiana, who is the defending champ, who is now,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: you know, a star program, is playing nobody. Like, you
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: don't even need to watch the game. Miami is beating
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: people 77 to nothing. So the number one thing College
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Sports Act or these people that want to get involved,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: you know what your biggest problem is? And this is
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: where I think the television networks need to get involved.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: We got to get some clarity and some consistency with
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: who we're playing. And maybe extending the playoffs will allow
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: these teams to not hide. There's always an argument like,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: should a good loss be a positive or is a
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: loss a loss? Like in the NFL, this is the
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: power of the NFL. There's no such thing as a
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: good loss. A loss is a loss. Like at the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: end of the year, if that loss, like let's say
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Minnesota is able to keep winning and wins 11 games.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: And the Chicago Bears win 10 games. Well, it's like, hey, man,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Caleb got hurt and it was rainy. That loss will
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: be a major talking point because they're the wild card
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and Minnesota's hosting the game. There's never like, hey, man,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: hold your head high. It's not the way it works.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Yet in college, it's like, well, Louisville, great loss to
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Ole Miss. LSU, not the worst loss to Ole Miss.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: And we do all this subjectivity in college football. How
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: about we all just do something where everyone plays everybody,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: like the NFL, and it rotates. Strength of schedule, lottery system,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I don't give a shit. But the big issue right
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: now is coaches get caught up in the development and
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the transfer portal. Is it perfect? Of course not. But
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: the big issue right now is Indiana's playing the Sisters
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: of the Poor week two. They just went 16-0. They
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: had the number one overall pick. If I told you
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Indiana was playing Florida State or, you know, Oklahoma or
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: just someone real, guess what? A lot of people would watch.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: You could throw that thing on primetime like they would
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. The Chiefs got good. And what happened?
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: They played a strength of schedule that was always because
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: they won the AFC West forever. They played the Bills
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: all the time. They played consistently even the Steelers or
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: the Ravens every year. Who started playing each other all
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the time? Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. Every year, you
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: knew you were getting that game. Most of my adult life,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: once a year, even though they were not in the
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: same divisions, and even though it rotates, every three years,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the divisions rotate of who you play in your own conference.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I knew I was getting Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: And I got them for 15, 16 straight years. And
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: usually twice because they tended to play each other again
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs. So I just think college's biggest issue
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: gets so caught up in the money and who's paying who. Well,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I understand that because a lot of these athletic programs
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: have 7 million people with fake titles who are making
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: six figures who are completely useless. If you got a
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: fortune CEO company or CEO or board that knew what
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: they were doing come through, they'd be like, you're gone,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: you're gone. What do you do? Nothing, see ya. The
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: big issue is like, wait, who are we playing? East, West,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Missouri State? That's pointless. And we're paying them a million
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: dollars to play? What are we doing? Can't we just
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: figure out some sort of, I would just say, There's
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: just no unity. And that, at the end of the day,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: has always hurt college football. It's why we've gotten to
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: this position. The Big Ten, we've got to have USC.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: We've got to have that market. Their team's not that
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: great to watch. They haven't been that good. Think about this.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Oregon and Washington, to join the Big Ten, had to
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: take half a share. So USC and UCLA will make
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: double what Oregon and Washington will make. I forget the
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: exact amount of years, but for several years, as they've
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: transitioned into the conference. Because remember, Oregon and Washington came
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: after the fact. Yet who's way more important to the
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Big Ten landscape over the last several years and moving forward?
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: The Oregon Duck program. Even Dan Lanning said today, he's like,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: you know who UCLA reminds me of? That's their next game?
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Indiana from the last couple years. Dan Lanning has more
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: respect for the UCLA program than USC. Because I was
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: thinking this in the shower. If I was Fox, and
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I was the powers that be that has the Big Ten,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: not having USC relevant, and I got news for you,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: after that game, they kind of peaked, and now they
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: feel like it doesn't matter. We know who they are.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Same thing as they've been. Can I stroke a check
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: to help get Lincoln out there and get your version
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: of Lane Kiffin, Urban Meyer, whoever it may be? Because
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: we can't do business with this. we can't because this
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: isn't good enough. And you notice it so far this year,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: the Big Ten doesn't quite feel the same. If they
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: have to rely on Iowa against some of these SEC powers,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a problem. And I respect Iowa.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: They've obviously recruited kind of a lesser player and turned
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: them into pros for decades. They're a high-level football program
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: from just a, if you're just looking at it strictly
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: from an NFL view. in a coaching view. But in
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: terms of viewership, watching them play, it's like, wake me
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: when the game's over. Let's do some mailbag questions. At
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, at John Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: those DMs. Get your questions answered here. on this podcast.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I was watching the Steven Smith Senior Show with James Palmer,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: and he made a very underrated statement how the Jags
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: owner has not butted in to make Liam and force
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: feed Brian Thomas and Travis Hunter because they were high
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: draft picks. He basically said some owners would try to
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: butt in and try to make them justify the pick.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: He gave other examples. As the Eagles owner, just let's
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Howie do his job. All to say I found that
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: very interesting and underrated. Forgot to mention it also lets
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Travis Hunter focus and master the defensive side of the
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: ball before doing anything else. I think if you owned
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: an NFL team, you are paying a coach, a GM,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: and the cons, for example, they're paying Liam Cohen, who
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: definitely was not a cheap hire because he had options.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Their general manager, probably on the lower end, but he's still...
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: making seven figures. And Tony Buscelli, who has this kind
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: of unique role, is also probably making seven figures. So
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: you're paying these guys a lot of money. You're a
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: super rich guy. Life's good. You own an NFL team
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: probably every year, goes up percentage. Money is no issue.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: All you want to do is see your team win.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: So if you're paying these guys this big of premiums,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: you got to let them do their job. And I
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: think oftentimes some of the stories that used to come
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: out about Dan Snyder, about some of these other owners
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: in other sports... It's like, what's the point of hiring
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: this guy if you were just going to tell him
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: what to do? Now, if his decisions don't work, then
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: you can come in and hold them accountable, fire them, whatever,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: if they don't win. That's kind of the job. But
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I never understood being like... Now, I think it would
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: be fair to go, why are we doing this? But,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: you know, when people push back against Carly Ursae and
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the player's defender... I'm sorry, when you're doing something that
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: no one else is doing, and it clearly isn't working
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: because your franchise never makes the playoffs, is this all
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: for show? Are you using this note to then call
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: them out and ask why they're doing it because nothing changes?
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I never really get it. I never understand Jerry Jones,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: who becomes so critical, who's clearly hovering over all these guys.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: What's the point of hiring anybody if you were just
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: going to ultimately tell them what to do? You know,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Howie's taking a lot of shit right now online because
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the 2025 draft has been really bad. I've always defended
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: good teams. When you win the Super Bowl, go to
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Hell, go to an AFC championship game.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: It is not easy to draft. Because not only are
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: you picking 29, 30, 31, 32... Well, then you're picking
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: at the end of the second and third round. So
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: you're getting the worst bunch of the litter every single round.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, yeah. Well, how about when they drafted
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Jalen Carter and Cooper DeGene? Well, yeah, no shit. They
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: were drafting way higher. It's like, it's why teams justify
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: like the LA Rams or Sean Payton to just, yeah,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: we'll just trade this pick for a player because not
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: going to take a crap shoot. It's not a 50-50
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: chance when you're drafting the end of the first. It's difficult.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: It's much easier to draft at pick 10 than it
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: is at pick 31. And I'm not trying to justify
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: saying those guys are going to turn out to be
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: good players. Maybe they all suck. But for most people,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: if I just gave you pick 31, pick 64, and pick... 92,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: or whatever the numbers actually are in the second and
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: third round, your hit rate wouldn't be as high if
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I gave you pick 9, 40, and 70. It's much
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: easier to draft. It's way easier to pick Jeremiah Love
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: than it is Jadarian Price. What's a runway for tight
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: end development? I've heard you talk about how, in general,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: players get less time to develop now than they ever have.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: But I wonder how it varies per position. Let's take
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Sam Roush on the Bears, for example. So far, he's
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: looked more like a liability than a value add. But
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: it's only been three games. Let me just... What pick
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: was Sam Roush? I thought third round, but it might
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: be second round. I just don't want to screw it up.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Third round. Well, one, the difference, part of the reason
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: for a quarterback, the leash is much shorter than it
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: has been historically, is because you can't function without a quarterback. Right?
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: And if that guy is bad, he ruins everything you're
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: trying to do. I saw this, Charles Robinson had this
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: tweet yesterday that I thought was pretty good because he
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: used it to relate it to... to J.J. McCarthy. And
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: this was a quote from Bill Walsh in The Winning Edge.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: It's like a famous football book with some of his philosophies.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: As a head coach, you should be aware of the fact,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: on occasion, you will select a talented player in the
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: draft who isn't able to do his job at an
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: acceptable level in the game for whatever reason. The point
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: to keep in mind is that no matter how long
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: and how hard you practice, no matter how thorough and
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: detailed your teaching is, if a player is dysfunctional during
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: the game, it's a waste of everyone's time. A player
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: who simply cannot compete or perform with poise, regardless of
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: his physical skills and potential, will not only disappoint you,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: but he can literally destroy everything everyone else is accomplishing.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: This situation is especially true at the quarterback position. So
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: the quarterback development is under way more of a magnifying
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: glass because of the control they have of your offense.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Other guys, you can bench, rotate, you can control. I
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: have to go back and watch Sam Roush's snaps. He's
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: a third-round tight end. who pretty sure, didn't they draft
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: him to kind of be a blocking tight end? He's 6'4,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: 270 pounds. He also plays on a unit with a
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: top 10 pick in Loveland and a guy that got
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: a contract extension commit. So his unit, you're not as
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: dependent on him. You're going to need him to do
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: a specific role. So I would guess that Ben Johnson
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: would tell you, that we are trying to get him
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: to master doing a small percentage of things and be
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: really good at that moving forward in the season. But
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: we're not depending on him to catch balls. That's Colson
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Loveland's job. Or to make plays when Loveland isn't. That's
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Cole Komet's job. So he gets some runway. But if
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: he becomes a player faster than you believe, then maybe
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: you could use Cole Komet in the offseason as a
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: trade bait. and utilize that to get a defensive player
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: to make a trade because he's a good player and
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: a play for everybody. But I think that Walsh quote is,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: and this goes for any player, there comes to a
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: line where you go, for whatever reason, like Bill Walsh said,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: not because people aren't trying, coaches are trying, the player's trying,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: game starts, he just can't play. I saw a quote
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: today from Robert Sala. Almost it didn't feel real. that
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: maybe that Cam Ward has PTSD from last season. Like,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: are we serious? I mean, this is September 30th, year two.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: He falls under that Walsh quote. Like, there's going to
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: be a time where it just turns out he can't
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: play in the NFL. And the faster you learn that,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: the faster it is to move forward and get out
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: of a mistake. Because I don't care who you are,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: any general manager, any human being, me, you, we're all
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: going to make mistakes. Hopefully, for those of us in
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: the NFL, you get a first-round pick every year. The
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: cap keeps going up. For a lot of human beings,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: if you were to make a purchase with all of
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: the money you have, whether it's a house, whether it's
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: a business, and it goes belly up, it could ruin you.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: One pick in football, even at the quarterback position, cannot
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: ruin you. The only way it can... is when you
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: hold onto the rope and don't let go. And I
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: think it's very difficult for a lot of GMs, like
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: this is a quality I'll give Howie. If those guys
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: that he drafted a year ago cannot play, they will
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: move off him. They will not hold on long. They're
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: not going to Warren Buffett long-term investing here, hoping that
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: the thing keeps ripping up. If it keeps trending down,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: they will pivot. And I think the best front offices
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: just don't hold on to hope. So I guess big
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: picture on Roush. Third round pick, three games. I think
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: the expectations are pretty low. My question statement with the
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: NCAA transfer portal. Why can't the NCAA take a page
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: from European soccer? Each agreement, NIL that being, would contain
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: a buyout clause. Quote, transfer fee. So if you wanted
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: to poach a player from Dayton, for example... you'd have
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: to pay Dayton a transfer fee. Then you can negotiate
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: the player's second school NIL separately. For instance, if Ohio
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: State wanted a standout player from Dayton, Ohio, he would
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: have to pay Dayton whatever the player's buyout clause was.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: This way, the small school who is losing a quality
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: player would then get assets in return. That they could
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: spend on additional talent or upgrades to their program. At
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: the Power 4 level, this might even discourage teams from
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: getting a new quarterback every single year. Let's say Trinidad
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Chambliss has a $ 5 million buyout. This might discourage teams
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: from paying much and perhaps slow the carousel. I hear
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: what you're saying. And you make, I would say, overall
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: a fair and good point. Here's why it's unrealistic though.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: If I'm Dayton or Trinidad Chambliss at Ferris State, do
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: you think Trinidad Chambliss was making 20 grand at Ferris State?
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Who is going to sign a contract that pays me $ 10, 000, $ 20, 000?
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Yet if someone wants my services, they have to pay
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: for me to break that contract $ 5 million. Or the
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Dayton example. Let's say Dayton's paying a player 25 grand.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: What do you think their buyout is? Can't be more
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: than that. So the buyouts at the smaller schools are
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: nothing because they can't afford to pay them anything. Now,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Ole Miss, LSU stole some players. Their contracts are probably
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars. For example, I think I've
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: told this story. Have a buddy, position coach, for a
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: non-Power 4 school. They're good. They're like a 9-10 win
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: team every year. They get guys drafted. He said, I
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: have an all-conference player. An SEC team signs him. two-year deal,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: 500 grand a year. That guy in his first year
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: cannot start. So he's at an SEC program. He's not
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: the starter and he's just sitting there. And this is
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: not Alabama or Georgia. So they're not competing for the
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: national title. But this guy was, I think at the
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: non-Power 4 school, was making low six figures, like $ 80, 000, $ 100, 000, $ 120, 000.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: It wasn't probably a lot for the school, but relative
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: to the big boys, the other SEC school comes in,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: offers them so much money, even as coaches, like, you've
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: got to go. But what they cannot do when they
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: give you those contracts, they're not going to guarantee you
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: a starting position unless you're the Cam Coleman's of the world.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Most guys coming from little schools might start, might not.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: They have to win the job. And then he called
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: the little school and says, I want to come back.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: He wants to come back because I'm not playing. I
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: hope to get drafted one day, even if it's in
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: the fifth, sixth, seventh round, but I'm never going to
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: get drafted as a guy who's a backup. So they're like, okay,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: we'll bring you back. Well, the buyout of the guy's
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: contract was like, I think he told me like $ 120, 000.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: He's like, bro, we can't even pay you $ 120, 000. let
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: alone buy the contract just to get you back. And
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: you go, well, why does even this SEC school want him? Because,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, if they get an injury, the guy will start,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: you know? So it's like, yeah, we're paying for depth.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: And I think that's where it becomes complicated because the
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: small schools just can't afford to pay you anything. Ashton Gentry,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I think, is going to go down as an outlier.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: A guy who was offered seven figures his senior or
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: junior year, I forget. Maybe he was a senior. Obviously,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: it's his last year at Boise. I forget exactly what year.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: If he was first-year draft eligible, he had been draft
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: eligible for multiple years. But clearly, it's not hard to
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: figure out. The Texases, the Oregons, the SEC schools wanted
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Ashton Genting. He stayed loyal because Boise was the only
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: team that gave him a shot when he was 18
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: years old. But they could, and they're the highest end,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: the highest end non-Power 4 program. And I remember reading
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: the Athletic article. It was like, eh, give or take $ 300, 000,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: which is obviously a ton of money for a young guy,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: but relative to what he could have gotten, all these
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: guys typically leave those situations. It's not normal for the
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Quinion Mitchells, Ashton Genties, The dude the Dolphins took from
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: San Diego State last year. If they are going to
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: have massive contract offers from national title contenders, it's hard
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: to even blame them for leaving. Because those guys are
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: so good, they're guaranteed to play. But it's that middle tier.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: It's like, hey, you're an all-conference guy in the Mountain West. Okay,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: University of Washington and UCLA and Oregon are all offering
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: you some money. Well, it's like, I might not even
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: start at Oregon. I'll go to Washington. And then you
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: don't win the job. But if you're coming from San
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Diego State or New Mexico, those schools can't pay you
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: any money. So there's no buyout. That's why it's easy
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: to steal. If the Fresno State or San Diego State
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: coach becomes a star, like DeBoer when he was at
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Fresno State, Washington didn't poach Georgia's coach. Fresno State's paying
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: him like $ 2 million a year. So what's his buyout?
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: 800 grand? You see some of these buyouts are 10,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: 20 million dollars just to have access to the coach,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: assuming he wants to leave. It's all financially based. I
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: have a question about the Eagles, about my Eagles. Blake's Eagles,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: not mine. My take has always been, what does Nick
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Sirianni do? He's a CEO head coach who is bad
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: at hiring coordinators, doesn't seem to have a good flow
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: for the game, so he makes bad decisions during the game,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: and he seems incredibly immature. Basically the opposite of a
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: good CEO. The Harbaughs, Tomlin, Belichick, etc. Oh, he's also offensive-minded,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: but he was so bad at calling plays, he got
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: fired as he was the head coach from that duty.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: I understand he won a Super Bowl, but I would
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: argue that was more due to Fangio and Kellen Moore.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: What do people see in him, and what do you
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: think it would take for him to get fired? I
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: would say, overall, Howie and Jeffrey Lurie like him a lot.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: It's why they've always been very loyal and supportive of
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni. I do think that Nick Sirianni is one
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: of the rare guys with his resume. Won a ton
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: of games. Obviously been to multiple Super Bowls. Even his
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: shitty years, he's winning the division, making the playoffs. Who
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: has very limited juice within the organization. One thing that
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: stood out to me on Monday Night Football... They panned
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: a Sean Manning in the box. They panned a Fangio
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: in the box. The Eagles have to lead the league
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: with people on the payroll in the boxes. Some teams,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: obviously all these staffs are bigger now. I still can't
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: get over several days later how many people were in
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: the coaching boxes. And this goes college too. What are
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: all these coaches doing? There's a lot of talk about
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: some of these scams going all over America. I'll tell
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: you a scam, and this has been going on for
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: a while. are some of these coaching staffs in college
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. I mean, you've got dudes making six figures. Like, what,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: do you coach a position? No. Do you have an
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: official role? No. What do you really do? It's like, well,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: I break down second downs every week. It feels a
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: little unnecessary. I think for Sirianni to get fired, they
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: would have to implode. It would have to get really ugly.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: I'm talking like 6-11. And if they played like they
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: did the other night, the Bears are good. And it
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: was in Chicago. Like, they would have to be bad.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I would say finish like the Giants or Commanders finish
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: above them in the division. And I would say Dallas
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: winning the division would feel the worst. If Harbaugh beats
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: them with like Jameis Winston and J.J. McCarthy and Mariota,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: it could just get ugly and weird. The Eagles are
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: paying a lot. I mean, they're paying so much for
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Sirianni's staff. Fangio makes $ 5- 6 million a year. Sean Manning's
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: got 7 million coaches on his side of the ball.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Sirianni makes a lot. They're paying a lot to the players.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: It could just get weird. It would have to get
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: weird for it to go down, would be my take.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Through the first four weeks, it looks like Florida hit
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: it out of the park with John Summerlin. It was
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: also an easy hire to make. In his last four
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: seasons at two different programs, he's 43-12. He made Troy
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: and Tulane powerhouses immediately in their respective conferences, even taking
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Tulane to the playoffs. Dude can flat out coach. I agree.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: He's a fucking star. And he's just a stud. I
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: like that guy a lot. Don't know much about him,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: but he just seems like the type of guy I'd
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: want in my life. Here's an interesting take. Before Florida
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: ever offered Summerall the job, they were after Lane. Auburn
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: had Summerall ready to take the job. He had one disagreement, though,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: with the athletic director. Keeping the defensive coordinator DJ Jerkin
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: would be his decision. No-brainer, right? Well, it was not
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: for Cohen. It has been said that his ego was
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: severely hurt by the ultimatum, and he did not hire
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Summerall as a result. Summerall would be hired by Florida
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: not long after. I like Golish, but I think we
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: just hired Eli Drinkwitz, and Florida got Kirby Smart. I
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: think what's underrated in some of these, there wasn't even
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: a question, he just wanted to go on a rant,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: the Auburn fan, clearly. I like Golish too. I mean,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I've watched Josh Pate sat down with him in the offseason.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: I watched that. I remember texting Josh Pate. I said,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I watched your interviews. I didn't know much about with
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: John Summerall and Alex Golish. And I came away really impressed.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Summerall has, I think Kirby Smart's a pretty good comp.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: There's like a fuck you edge to him. Kirby now
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: is kind of fat. He's not really in the prime
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: of his career, like mid-90s safety for Georgia. I don't
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: think Kirby's moving super fast anymore. Summerall would be like,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't want to get in the octagon with that guy.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Trust me, I'm not discounting Kirby's internal toughness. I just
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: think if you were in decent shape, you could run
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: around for a while and tire him out. But look
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: who Kirby learned from. I mean, he was Nick's right-hand
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: guy for 15, 20 years. You've got to have some
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: FU edge to you to be a good football coach.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: To me, it's a non-negotiable. Even my offensive guys, I
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: need them to be nuts, and I need them to
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: be inclined to the defensive side of the ball, whether
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: it's like Sark and Ryan Day are guys that understand
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: the recruiting on that side of the ball and allocating funds.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: You know, Dan Lanning. Like, you watch Dan Lanning rant
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: and rave, you're like, God, he kind of reminds me
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: of Saban and Kirby Smart. And so when he met
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley at the Coliseum, is it shocking at all
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: that he shoved him around? Like, it wasn't shocking to
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: me at all to see him watch UCLA on tape,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: who haven't really played anybody, but have a lot of
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: respect for Bob Chesney in the program. Because you know
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: what UCLA is immediately? Now, are they going to win
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: 10 games, or are they going to end up winning
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: 7 or 8? I... More likely seven or eight, but
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not discounting Bob Chesney. If you told me they
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: end up nine and three and they knock off one
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: of their big-time opponents, definitely believable. But you know what
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Dan Lanning sees when he watches UCLA? A tough program.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: And you can't fake toughness, right? In business, you can't
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: fake the guys that have the balls. And we all
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: know those people, some of you guys listening are, that
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: are just kind of afraid to take some risks. And listen,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: it's not in everyone's personalities. Some people are drawn to risk.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: It kind of fills their cup. And other people are
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: terrified of it. I grew up, my dad was not
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: a big risk taker. Life, business, like it just wasn't,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: he was pretty just kept it to like, I wouldn't
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: say the slow lane, but some of his friends, people,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: other farmers he was around, like Sometimes it backfires. There's
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: no guarantee. I'm not acting like every risk you take
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: in business works out for you, in life works out
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: for you. But if you're unwilling to do that, you've
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: got no chance. It's the only way to get ahead.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Just like in football. The only way to be good
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: at football... Clearly, college is different than the pros. In
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: the pros, there's a scheme element that has to be elite.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: If you're not an elite schemer, you can't... maintain and
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: sustain being good at football it's impossible but it's pretty
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: rare like the bears aren't going to win a super
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: bowl unless their defense is physical and solid now if
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: it played like it did the other night against the
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: eagles They can win the Super Bowl. But the defense
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: that we've seen over, and I'm not blaming Ben Johnson.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: It's not because I don't view him as a tough guy.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: He is. You need the personnel. And the Eagles won
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl? Well, what did they have? Didn't they
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: have like four guys that had 10 sacks? You need
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: physical fucking dudes. In college, because some of the guys
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: that you get when they're 18, 19 years old, you
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: kind of create that. Most people didn't show up at
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Alabama or for Urban Meyer at Florida just being the
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: baddest dude in the state. I mean, they might have
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: been as a prospect, but you couldn't just put them
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: on the field and they just kick everyone's ass. It's
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: a mentality that's ingrained in the program. In college, or
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: I mean in the draft, if I draft, you pick
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: the player, I'm kind of getting a guy already wired
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: for war, a.k.a. football, which is not as physical as
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: it once was, but it's still a very physical game.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: So when I get Reuben Bain or... Sonny Stiles or
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Caleb Downs, like their mentality as a football player can improve, right?
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: It now becomes truly professional, but I kind of know
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: what I'm getting into bed with, what I'm getting into
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: business with. In high school, I think 17, 18 year
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: old kid, you create that. It's harder now in the
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: transfer portal, but it starts with a program. And I
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: just watched Summerall talk. It's like, He calls it like
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: violent Tuesday or something, that they're not allowed to go indoors,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: regardless how hot it is, because it's just a violent
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: day of practice. You know, Pete Carroll used to have that,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: competition Tuesday, where it was just like full pads, let's go,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: let's go to war. And the only reason I can
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: speak from experience, because for two years I worked around
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Pat Hill, who created a lot of guys that went
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: into the NFL. And a lot of those guys were
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: one and two star guys. Pat Hill was an old
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: school offensive line coach and just a tough guy. Andy
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Reid might smile a lot, but at Andy Reid's core,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: he's a former offensive lineman. Andy Reid is a tough guy.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: And you can't fake that. And I watched Lincoln Riley
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: and I just go, not a tough guy. Alex Golish,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: he doesn't scream toughness, but I'm giving him the benefit out.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: I'm interested to watch him play. John Summerall, it's impossible
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: to watch him talk and not go, This guy's a badass.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: I will say this about Lane. I know a lot
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: of people who know Lane through Fresno State, and Tim
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Skipper was his roommate in college. Lane Kiffin's dad was
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: a badass. Lane Kiffin was not raised by some college professor.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: No shot at college professors. When I think of the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: toughness scale, they're not usually number one. He was raised
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: by an old school football coach. So Lane's got some
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: shit to him. And I think all of the guys
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: that were under Saban know what the mentality's supposed to be.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley was raised under Mike Leach. It's what I
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: respect about Bob Chesney. Or even Kurt Cignetti. They just
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: kind of went on their own to little-ass programs and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: kind of figured it out on their own, which I respect. Because...
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: When you're coaching at tiny little schools, no one's talking
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: about you. No one's watching you. I grew up around
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: a small little Division II football program, UC Davis. It
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: was a big deal like my dad and the people
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: that went to school there. I went to games all
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: growing up. But it ultimately didn't matter to anyone outside
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: the 5-3-0. No one cared. But people were able to.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Chris Peterson, who would go on to Boise and Washington,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: coached there as a young coach. play there and you
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: can kind of hone your skills so i think sometimes
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: when you go to these small programs and and if
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: you are kind of destined for greatness you you can
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: really kind of i would say sharpen your sword there
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: so you get this bob chesney guys like the biggest
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: school he's ever coached at was for two years at
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: jmu like he comes more equipped than your typical just
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: like guy that coached under a big time program coached
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: a little school for a year or two and then
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: left I think DeBoer is a good example of that. Now,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: I would say this about DeBoer. Like, Kalen DeBoer is
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: not Nick Saban when it comes to just, this guy's
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: a badass in terms of like toughness. Saban might be 5'10,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: a buck 80, but anyone who's ever, I've only met
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: him one time and I was at a loss for
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: words because there's an intimidation factor with a little guy.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: And this was way before I think he had won
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: one national championship at that point in time at Alabama.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: It was like 2010, maybe two. But he just had, like,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin was the same way. I remember running into
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: him at the Combine, and again, not the most imposing figure.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: This isn't Dan Campbell walking through the halls. But there's
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: a way you carry, and I'm a huge believer of
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: this with head coaches. If you're in a room with them,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: you just know they got it. And Saban definitely had that.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Urban Meyer, I would imagine, definitely has that. I would
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: bet if you're in a room with John Summerall, he's
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: the alpha in the room. Lincoln the alpha in the room?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Might be one of the smarter guys in the room,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: but this is sport full alphas, especially in college. Question
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: for the mailbag. I started a sports podcast. Any advice
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: that you have to be successful in the industry and
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: how I can help myself grow? I would love to
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: one day have a big YouTube page. I would say
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: my best advice to anyone starting out would just be
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: to do it all the time. So whatever you're going
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: to podcast, YouTube, make TikTok videos, you name it. is
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: you can't just do it once or twice a week.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: You can't have three videos a week. You're not, pardon
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: my take, you're not Joe Rogan. So I would be
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: just doing as much as humanly possible and just figure
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: out what works, what doesn't work, but consistency. When someone
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: asks me, they're like, well, you're a full-time podcaster? I'm like, yeah,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: think of it like this. I do a daily radio show.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Because when I talk to younger people, they don't look
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: at me as weird. But if I meet a guy,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: I got to go to this happy hour thing tonight.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: And some people I don't know. And I would imagine
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: going to be a decent amount of people, over 50
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: professional people. And it'll just inevitably come. I wish I
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: could just say I sell real estate, which is an
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: easier thing to go. I don't want to tell my
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: life story. But people will look at you weird like, wait,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: you're a full-time podcaster? But if I said, yeah, I
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: got a radio show. Like, oh, sweet. What time? I'd
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, every morning. They wouldn't think twice, right?
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: But when I say I'm a podcaster, they're like, what?
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: You make a living out of that? Well, yeah, I
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: just do this every day. Every single day. And, you know,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I've had hacks, obviously, after we do stuff after all
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: the games. My mother-in-law's in town. She's like, you hear
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: the holiday schedule? I'm like, I'm not trying to be
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: the asshole of the family here, but our holiday schedule,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: especially now that we have Jack, I don't know if
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: there's going to be much traveling anymore. The NFL now,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: we're very active on the holidays. Your boy and my family,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: we just might not be traveling like we used to
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: do in our days of different life. And it's just,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: it can become, even though I can do this from everywhere...
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: It is much easier for me, and this is the
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: most important thing in my life, non my wife or
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: my son, that I just, this comes first, right? I'm
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: not saying I skip Christmas to a podcast, but if
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: there's Christmas games, like we have Christmas and I do
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: the games. Am I gonna do that forever? Ideally not,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: but as of right now, that's not changing anytime soon.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: So part of working in this business is not digging ditches.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: This is not hard, but some of the times, if
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: you want to maximize your exposure, your interest level, talk
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: about stuff, like most people don't want to do stuff
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving night or Christmas night or some shitty Thursday
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: night football game. but if you do that, you're just
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: more willing to separate. Mailbag, this is from Paul. How
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: warm is Jed Fish's seat at Washington? Last week was embarrassing,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: and the program has been a slog to watch for
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: much of the last two years. I understand he inherited
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: a tough situation after DeBoer left and was hired partly
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: for recruiting, but the play calling has been poor, player
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: development is hard to see, and Desmond Williams has not
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: made the leap you would expect. I'm also concerned about
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: Pat Chun. His hire looked like a convenient move from
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: across the state rather than an ambitious national search. I
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: know UW is not getting a full Big Ten revenue share,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: but Seattle is Microsoft, Amazon, Costco, Starbucks, etc. and wealthy alumni.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: UW should be doing more with NIL and sponsorships. And
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: it's not just football. The basketball program is a joke.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Is fish a problem, chun a problem, or a bigger
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: UW athletics problem? I think one issue you guys have
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: is that one Kalen year when you make the championship game,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: is much more of an outlier than the norm. I
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: didn't watch any of the Minnesota game because by the
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: time it came on, it's like 8 o'clock at night.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: I'd been watching football all day. I could tell Maria
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm not watching UW-Minnesota. I'm like, eh, don't
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: blame you. Let's throw in the Unabomber for Netflix. So
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: I saw the clip of P.J. Fleck with the blood
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: the next day. And UW to me is not worthy.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't expect them to be that good. I think
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: any time you're quarterbacked, did what he did in the offseason.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: Hard to come back from that. And there's also arguments
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: like how good is he actually? They were in a
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: tough spot when DeBoer filled in for Saban. You know,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: I think you have to compare yourself to who you
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: actually are. And your rival, right, is Oregon. You're not Oregon.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Oregon now is, you know, if you just look at
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: the Big Ten, it's Ohio State-Oregon. I guess Indiana's now
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: in there, clearly. We'll see. I mean, they won the
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: national title, but the next three years, are they going
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: to go to the playoffs every year? As long as
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: Cignetti's there, I'm not going to bet against them. But
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: you're much closer to me than to UCLA. Great academic institution.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: Incredible campus. A place that people take a lot of
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: pride in going to school. But this isn't USC football.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: This isn't Texas football. This isn't Duke basketball. It's not
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: make or break, do or die. So, I think anytime, like,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: you got Kalen Dubour, who should have stayed there forever,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: but why did he leave? Because the financial backing was
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: never going to be close to two teams, once they
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: moved to Big Ten, they were going to play all
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: the time, and USC and Oregon, who were on his coast. So,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: I think you need to figure out a way... whether
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: you fire Jed Fish or whatever. But you need to
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: do what UCLA did with Bob Chesney. Find that type guy.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: Signetti fits perfectly at Indiana. Jed, to me, I don't
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: know him personally. I know a lot of people that
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: know him. Famously was Howie Roseman's roommate in college. He's
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: a big talker. He likes the media. How good of
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: a coach is he? He had the one good year
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: at Arizona. where he had a bunch of NFL players,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: and he deserves credit. He knows what talent looks like.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Is he a dynamic enough coach? Is he a dynamic
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: enough leader? I think that's more than up for debate.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: But you've got to be comfortable with being like, best case,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: you're probably eight, nine wins. You're not going back to DeBoer, Penix, Rome, McMillan.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: That's an outlier season. But can you just consistently be
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: a solid program? And, like, your NIL is never going
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: to be Oregon-Ohio State. It's just not. Now, I don't
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: know enough about the program. Like, you have all those
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: institutions in your backyard in Seattle. Are they giving money
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: to the football program? Like, do their higher-ups and their CEOs,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: do they have connections? Because if they don't, none of
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: that matters. Right? It just really doesn't. Now, can you
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: use some of that to get sponsorship deals? Maybe, but, like,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: that's just the Seattle market. You know what? USC spent
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: all this money on the players this year, all the
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: freshman kids, not because they have some crazy corporate infrastructure
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: in L.A. County, because they're boosters that start stroking checks
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: to pay for players. So I think there are a
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: lot of different variables that play into this, but at
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, your program is never going
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: to be willing. I don't want to say never, but
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: more than likely never more than likely not to hang
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: with the big boys. And maybe that's because they simply
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: don't have access to the money because they don't have
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: a guy's ability to raise that much money that even
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: if they got close to your margin for error, okay,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: if we do have a big year where we raise
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: a bunch of money, like South Carolina. I think they're
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: like a top 20, top 15 team in terms of spending.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: And they're headed toward five and seven. And they have
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: all this NFL talent. So if I was one of
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: the guys, I was a rich guy, big booster. Let's
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: call me Darius Rucker Middlecoff. It's like, hey, Shane, I'll
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: give you $ 5 million this year. I'll put it into
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: the pool to help pay for the players. And then
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: we go five and seven or six and six and
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: he gets fired. I'm never giving a penny again. Because
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: it's not like the $ 5 million buys me a decade.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: It buys me one season. And then I watch this.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: It's one thing to say, hey, I spent some money
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: and I get Texas or Ohio State. It's like, this
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: is kind of sweet. Every year we're going to be
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Or even Indiana. It's like, Insignetti I trust.
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  Speaker 1: Do you guys really believe in Jed? In fairness, Minnesota's,
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  Speaker 1: it's not like you lost to Rutgers. They're not. That's
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  Speaker 1: probably who you are. You're probably very similar to Minnesota.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you should just hire that guy. My bald brother,
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  Speaker 1: PJ Fleck. Okay, we'll end on this. Got a potentially
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  Speaker 1: batshit idea. Could you see the Packers looking to clean
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: house Goody and Matt LaFleur? If so, and I was
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  Speaker 1: Ed Policy, I would be going after John Schneider. Get
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  Speaker 1: him on the phone, quote, off the record. to talk
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  Speaker 1: about coming back home. He still has a home here.
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  Speaker 1: And give him the keys to hire a new coach.
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  Speaker 1: I know he's under contract, but you have to at
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  Speaker 1: least make the phone call right. Here's what I would
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  Speaker 1: recommend if I was Vinod, if I was a consigliere
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  Speaker 1: to the new ownership group. I would say, I don't
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: think you guys realize how great you have it. You
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  Speaker 1: have one of, if not the best GMs in the league,
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  Speaker 1: and a rocket ship and a head coach. I would
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  Speaker 1: make them both contract offer slash extensions right now and
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  Speaker 1: make them the highest paid guys at their positions. When
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  Speaker 1: this season ends, let's say they go to the playoffs,
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  Speaker 1: even if they lose in the first or second round,
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  Speaker 1: I would make John. What's Howie making? What's whoever? John Lynch,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: who's I think the highest paid GM. It's crazy how
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: it sounds. Part of it because he used Amazon to leverage.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: It's like, hey, $ 15 million? We need $ 40 million for
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: these two guys a year. They're worth every penny. And
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  Speaker 1: here's the other thing if I'm John. If they're willing
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  Speaker 1: to make me the highest paid guy and keep me there,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: the hard part is, is how do you leave Mike McDonald?
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  Speaker 1: If I just name Howie or John Schneider or whoever
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: the coach or the GM of X franchise, they blow
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: up the franchise, they make a crazy trade, and they
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: land John Schneider. Well, his hardest job... is to hire
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: a coach. Before he does the roster, before he figures
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: out the quarterback, he's got to get the head coach right.
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  Speaker 1: So if you or me were taking over a franchise
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: right now, who would we hire as a head coach?
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  Speaker 1: He literally has a guy that like 90% of the
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: franchises would want. So that's the hardest part of the job.
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  Speaker 1: You are, I bet John Schneider would tell you this,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: you're 20 times better as a GM with a star
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  Speaker 1: head coach. And he knows what good head coaches look like.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: Been around Holmgren, been around Pete, now been around Mike.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, could Green Bay pay him more than Seattle?
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  Speaker 1: The other thing is, Seattle's kind of his baby. It's
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: fucking his team. And it's not one of those things like,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: Mike gets a lot of credit, he gets a lot
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: of credit. So I think it would just come down
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: to money. And if I was Seattle's ownership, John is undervalued.
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  Speaker 1: very undervalued like how he's how he makes a lot
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: John Lynch makes a lot there's a select few GMs
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  Speaker 1: who truly make a lot a lot of guys again
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  Speaker 1: relative to society make a couple million dollars and then
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: there are some that make like 10 12 million dollars
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: and they're they're underpaid in my opinion right and I
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: would say John Schneider would be at the top of
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: that list But here's the thing Seattle has, and this
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: is where, how would you, the guy that just bought
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: the team is like a historic investor. So what happens
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: when you invest in a company at the levels in
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: which he was investing in the companies? Who's the first
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: person you look at? Management, leadership. Well, I mean, you
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: got these two guys, cream of the crop. I would
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: imagine that they're taken care of. And if they're not,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: if I was Seattle and we like ever let John
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: go because of whatever, It would just be a non-negotiable. So, now,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: the nostalgia, the where I'm from, I think that matters
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: a little more with college. But it would be, if
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: the Packers were ever able to pull that off, it
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: would be an all-time coup. What if I'm Mike McDonald
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: and it ever got out there? It's like, hey, the
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: Packers fired everybody and they're coming after John. If I'm
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, I immediately do like a sit down with ESPN.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: I go on the record like, we have to do
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: everything possible to keep this guy. I mean, because if
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: I'm Mike, I would never want to lose him. And
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: I think the powerful part about the NFL is when
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: you have cohesion at those two jobs, even if you're
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: not from there, like Andy Reid's from Los Angeles. I
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: think he's pretty comfortable and content in Kansas City with
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: this guy Veach. Right? So, yeah, I mean, you can dream.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: I like a good batshit idea. I will talk to
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: everyone tomorrow. Enjoy Thursday Night Football. The Volume.